For me it's the character movement, I get its a faithful remake but I'm tired of getting hung up on things that my player model isn't touching or jumping over ledges that I don't want to jump over... These games have no polish.
Its not even faithful, in the originals you could at least use your bike for longer than five tiles without bumping into everything Their tile work is abysmal and dont get me started on the input delay… id rather get lagged to hell in the snowpoint area than have lag on every window and menu Edit: sorry come off so negative, im just a disappointed sinnoh stan 🤷♂️
@@LinkMountaineer Your one of the lucky ones. Movement is awful compared to most if not every mainline game. Getting snagged on edges, unwilling jumping on ledges, and inconsistent input lag really hurts. It wouldn't be noticable if you haven't played a lot of the games. That doesn't even cover the missing content, poorly balanced post game, the poor level balancing pre-endgame, horrible system to get additional legendaries, or TM's, glitches, etc.
@@bvc5320 I’ve played pretty much every Pokémon game and I can still tell you that I had worse trouble getting around in X and there is no input lag. The only content truly missing from BDSP is the Battle Frontier. Since this is a remake of Diamond/Pearl, not Platinum, it’s going to have the story of Diamond/Pearl. So, you can’t call the exclusive elements of Platinum’s story missing content. It’s balanced just fine if you don’t just use your starter for everything. I didn’t mind the Mysterious Shard mechanic either. You can get extra TMs, so them being single use again doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme. I also had no trouble with any glitches.
Same, FR/LG had a ton of new features, content, and love put into the games, OR/AS was easy but also felt like a ton of work was put to make it definitive (although because of mega evolution and no Battle Frontier those who want a hardcore experience would prefer that. The Battle Frontier in Emerald is easily the most difficult and interesting post-game to date, even the later Pl/HGSS one isn't as good because it feels like a watered down version.) Every other remake feels like they really saw what made the games great and made it better, this feels like they were given a list of changes to make to freshen things up and then all the things that make the games easier and threw that in without thinking of longtime fans. People hate on Let's go and SwSh but those games feel like better games to me as well than these. (In fact I quite enjoyed them other than that both of them were way too easy to overlevel so I had to _skip content to keep a challenge_ )
I have to disagree because they were so disappointing compared to what we previously got and because they did so many things wrong and because it has so many intentional flaws as a remake; it objectively makes them bad games. DP were bad and flawed games aswell but they were mostly held back by the fact that the developers weren’t familiar with the Ds hardware when they developed DP so I give them a pass. Bdsp is a game made in 2021 and it’s so damn flawed that it’s easily the worst game in the series right next to sword and shield. The more intentional game design flaws that a game has the worse it is and the more likely it would be considered to be a bad game.
The whole history of remakes is interesting. Frlg and HGSS pretty much had everything from the original games while also having additional content, making them definitive. Oras did not include any content from Emerald which caused many fans to be upset for missing features in that game like no battle frontier. This means both Emerald and oras are still great hoenn games that are really different experiences with the "better" one being a preference. This creates some similarity between oras and bdsp when it comes to hard-core fan reception. However oras at the very least still had a bunch of new stuff to enjoy despite it missing features. New character designs, a much more fleshed out and better version of the original story, new mega evolutions, optional exp. Share, and more with all previous quality of life features. BDSP meanwhile has basically no new content for longtime fans to dig into that differentiates itself from diamond and pearl. The only truly new things were the way they changed underground and some of the postgame legendary encounters. The quality of life features aren't "new" to long time players so they aren't really selling points, they're expectations. If you're a hard-core fan, you still likely replay the old games so the appeal of the remake is the new content and changes, not quality of life features that have existed for years. When the remake has nothing new (from a long time fan pov) and actively takes away features from the game you love, why even play it? The music? Idk, this is coming from someone who has finished every mainline pokemon game multiple times (legends only once) but have not played past the 3rd badge of bdsp. I just kept thinking while I was playing "I wish I was playing platinum" everytime I noticed things missing. I love to bring up the poketch button thing because that tiny problem pretty much sums up my frustration with the game.
You hit the nail on the head there. The biggest problem with BDSP is that they're remakes of Diamond and Pearl, which remade all the issues the originals had that were fixed in Platinum
To me, the reason I wouldn't count the quality of life improvements included in previous generations is because those features become standard and we're a given to be included. A few of which were removed like reusable tms which were a thing since gen 5. So it feels like getting a point for not even needing to try and still screwing up
@@friendlyotaku9525 I don't disagree. I just don't think they deserve a full point for providing standard features. Especially when they don't even bring all of them.
@@mienechooraceon9401 aside from infinite tm use I'm pretty sure BDSP include all the main QOL features that we have seen since Gen 5. I do think they deserve a point as it is something they have over Platinum, even the speed of the game itself
Can agree, but a reason I understand it being mentioned is him not knowing about it at all. He had zero perspective. (same with the fairy-type add) And we may think it being there doesn't add much to the big picture, but also, it not being there may have taken a lot away from it too, and you'd think 'it's even worse'. Plus there's that easy choice they'd have to not've included it even though everyone & their mum expects it in a good way.. So it is "good" either you'd always know or just now know, therefore simply stating it's good as it is wouldn't cause too much harm right, I think? 🤔 Sorry for rambling lol
People get a better game than the original and still point out everything isn't perfect. "There are quality of life improvements but since they added that before, I'm going to act like they don't exist" god people are morons.
I think it's always great that the games get people into the franchise, but asking for a better product isn't wrong either imo. They could've remaster platinum in hd with the quality of life improvements and that would have been better received by fans, and also caught people's interest.
Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald didn’t get that treatment. Trends would indicate that Gen 4 wouldn’t either, which is what happened. Moral of the story is to not expect things you were never promised.
The thing is BDSP doesn’t bring anything to the table. In fact it goes to the table and takes things away. Every remake takes what’s been established in that generation and builds on it. Sword and shield introduced a lot to get people into competitive and bdsp takes them away. Gen4 is praised for being one of the best meta games in Pokémon games but bdsp drops that to waste side. Every game since the 3d era had an info screen in battle that shows statuses of Pokémon, hazards, weather turns remaining, etc. BDSP takes it away. Even Let’s Go has it like really!? Every game since gen 5 has had unlimited use TMs. BDSP takes that away. I can’t even imagine why? Sword and shield introduced nature mints and exp candy to help you with training Pokémon. BDSP keeps nature mints but ditches exp candy. Ok ever game since XY has made it easier to grind to level 100 so what does BDSP do? VS seeker the same chansey trainer over and over. Excuse me!? Faithful remake but you include nature mints and not candy…..ok. What about ditto. The games have made it easier to get 4-5iv dittos from XY’s friend safari to SWSH’s raid dens that are easy to summon just drop a wishing piece. BDSP? Better chain 100 ditto together and hope that it’s at least 4ivs oh your chain broke too bad start from the beginning. Ok I want to get some competitive items for my team well in SWSH I could grind the battle tower with one of five rental teams and not only do decently but learn one of five play styles. BDSP? Nope better use that in game team and lose until you have 50 bp. Everyone says that the best part is the E4 and champion. But guess what if I’m a new player I just spent 8 hours battling dudes with level 30 wurples just to be thrown into an E4 where the trainer has perfect IV Pokémon that are ev trained and have items. When does the game teach you any of this? It doesn’t it literally doesn’t teach you about items, abilities, evs, etc. (who is this made for?) Remember when SWSH brought back old legendaries and changed up the formula where you can play with friends and shiny hunt at the same time while using rental Pokémon to at least provide some strategy. BDSP? Hey go underground and look for these rocks for 20 hours and then throw 30 ultra balls at mewtwo….fun. Shiny hunting? How about we make the shiny charm only effect eggs? Excuse me? Honestly why? BDSP literally brings nothing but the strongest champion in the history of the series. But if only 1% of your game is good……
Great comment! I think what a lot of people forget is that the same people who plaid Platinum grew up with playing HG/SS. Probably the best remake ever. If you compare it to Crystal it’s much better. Now some of us was looking forward to this for 15 years just to get a version that is not even better better then what we already got 😅 I think they should have called it remastered because it was definitely not a remake and that is what we wanted
You know what's really embarrassing? The game actually has the exact same glitches and oversights that the original DS version had back in 2006, which is incredibly unprofessional for a game released in 2021. In addition, at launch, the game also introduced a bunch of new glitches, which forced some players to DELETE THEIR SAVE FILES. In other words, not only do old glitches return, but new ones are also present to mess things up, thus resulting in a game that feels like it was made back in Gen 1
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I mean, those QoL improvements are to be expected with 14-15 years of difference between releases. People weren't expecting a faithful remake, and things like the improved surfing and battle speeds are pretty great, but they ARE expected for it to be a better version of DPPt. The REAL issue comes when instead of expanding on already built content like Secret Bases, Contests or Platinum's expansions, they chose to redesign or remove everything. They could have made the statues work on a different secret base room or make contests have a new phase, but they decided to change everything. Competitively speaking, the games are also a mess. Sure, you get amazing things like IV Judge, Mints, Bottle Caps or Charms, but they got rid of move tutors (except for already given moves like elemental Hyper Beams or Draco Meteor), and TMs are single-use again (you can purchase them back, but why wouldn't they simply make TRs or tutors when that worked perfectly for other games?). It's also pretty lame you don't even get regional forms or any mechanic like Megas or Dynamax; even if they didn't add any new form, there are already plenty. As you mentioned, every other remake tried to at least be like the new generation; there's no point on playing a "cleaner" version of the same game if they don't add new places to explore; new Pokemon; new mechanics (without messing already existing ones); expanded story; new redesigns... even Let's Go, the simplest remake, compensated every missing feature with updated mechanics, Mega Evolution, Alola Forms, rideable and better following Pokemon, making a new story (even if I don't love it) to make it fit on the current generation; Pokemon with proper sizes inside and outside battles, Meltan and Melmetal, a unique artstyle... things that BDSP didn't bother to do, and it makes it lack any personality other than being "the same game with some QoL".
I prefer platinum myself mainly because of the more balanced and rich experience, but I must say - it was a pleasure to hear the other side of the discussion in a pleasent way. Im always open to hear other opinions as long as the conversation is the way it should be, and I can totally see where youre coming from and what makes your point of view the way it is
I was going to comment that you should play Heartgold or Soulsilver to get a feel for what a Pokémon remake means to fans, seeing as how you said you played Silver, and presumably have some nostalgia for it. It will give you the exact idea of what us Platinum players were hoping to get from a Sinnoh remake. But then you started talking about it at the end and hit the nail on the head. BDSP just hurts, Platinum is my favourite Pokémon game, and it was my favourite game of all time until I was 21 (when I played Persona 5 and it became my favourite game of time), and is still my second favourite game of all time. BDSP hurts because of what it could’ve been. What we were expecting when the rumours were rumbling of a Sinnoh remake, what we were expecting on that day when it got revealed. Only to be hit with “faithful remake of Diamond and Pearl.” It hurts to know that the remake of the Sinnoh games didn’t surpass the originals…what was even the point? It hurts to know that, like you said in the video, we will probably never have a second chance, another shot at a Sinnoh remake that we actually asked for. We are stuck with BDSP forever, while the Hoenn kids get to love ORAS and the Johto kids were blessed with HGSS, we’re stuck with BDSP…a worse game than Platinum forever. Legends Arceus did soften the blow a little I guess, as fun as that game was though…Hisui just isn’t Sinnoh. I wanted to explore the lively atmospheres of Hearthome City and Jubilife city, climb the towering mount coronet, see what characters like Dawn, Barry, and Cynthia would be like in a brand new way. Arceus just did not give us that unfortunately…oh well I’m rambling now so I’ll end my comment here 😅
As the consumer I think it's completely fair to look at BDSP for what it's not. There has already been a set expectation for a level of quality to the remakes of this franchise and many people don't want to spend their hard earned money on something that doesn't meet those expectations. I do appreciate you trying to look at the situation in a better light tho, good video.
I think a large part of the problem also comes from the fact that, based on the recent trend in Pokemon games, we can tell that not only was this game not sufficient in its own right... but it was a cheap cash grab, and the _reason_ why it was insufficient was just a lack of care. The Pokemon Co.'s mantra recently seems to be: "It'll sell anyway, so why try?" with a few exceptions for spin-offs. If this game wasn't the culmination of years of growing inadequacies, it wouldn't have been lambasted as it was.
Quality of life improvements are standard in remakes. They even added double battles in fire red. BDSP is my least favorite Pokémon game because it adds nothing new to the table. And also making a faithful remake to diamond and pearl with very few platinum additions, the game people like more, is something a massive missed opportunity.
It would be interesting to see what you'd think of the Gen V games. They are a bit of a sweet spot in having some more quality of life features with out being overbearingly hand holdy like later titles. HMs still exist but are rarely required and TMs have infinite usage. There are numerous battle facilities which aren't too much of a content gap from the battle frontier. They include lots of past legendaries but in a more immersive way that suits each of them, rather than the generic dump of all of them seen in later generations (BDSP included). One thing you keep bringing up is how the modern EXP share saves switching out to another pokemon. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there is an EXP share up to gen V that works as a held item, so while it doesn't give the whole party EXP, it will help train one pokemon without ever sending them out to battle.
I plan on going back and playing most of them. I had heard about the experience share being a held item. I can't remember if that was in Silver or not, but I'm glad that's how it works in those
I'd say XY was really good in that regard. To EV grind, you could use the punching bags and the little soccer arena thing. I found that to be a really fun mini game with a purpose!!! It wasn't just FREE like newer games, and still had a bit of a strategy to it. Plus you could easily count and fine tune EVs with this method. It didn't take an absurd amount of time but took a reasonable amount I think, and wasn't really boring or that much of a grind. Gen 7 is when things really got way too easy. IMO.
@@GameSmith45 Before gen 6, it was a held item that automatically splits 50% of the exp to the holder, which you can shift further to 75% by having them participate in battle
I think romhacks like renegade platinum are the final experience for the sinnoh region as they feature almost all quality of life improvement while retaining the new content and even adding more and they make the time limited events accessible again in a coherent way with the story
I think that what makes it so hard to judge the game for what it is rather than what it isn’t is, as was shown in the video, Gamefreak had created a standard when it came to their Pokémon remakes for every previous Gen in a way that not only improved on the originals but also carried the torch of that current Gen basically uniting the 2. From quality of life updates and new features to little fun things like updated character models they had formed a standard that had carried on for multiple generations. They then took that standard and threw it out the window in the name of being “faithful” to a fault. It also doesn’t help that we saw the One Piece game made by ILCA that shows that they could have made the DP game fans imagined or Pokémon Snap showing how beautiful a third party made game could be.
@@friendlyotaku9525 Gamefreak didn’t make them but Masuda was a part of the development of the game. While they outsourced it, I have no doubt that they told ILCA to create a faithful remake as opposed to one like their previous remakes
BDSP was released in an unfinished state. There was a day one patch for the intro and postgame. Once the Switch’s servers shut down you can’t download it leaving it in an even worse state than DP. With SwSh’s release I questioned how it got released as a finished product being shipped worldwide but I never expected it to be THIS bad for BDSP.
I’ve never understood this argument. You make the case of “you can’t update when the servers shut down”, but when do think the servers would shut down? Next week or in a decade minimum? The 3DS and Wii U eShops are set to shut down in March 2023. This is next year. This isn’t even online support for the Wii U or 3DS either. So, that’s probably got a good couple years left still. I remember I got my 3DS along with Ocarina of Time 3D in June 2011. This was over 11 years ago. In that time, the Switch is probably the third console since the 3DS. Logic would follow that the Switch servers will be online for a good long while. By the time the servers do shut down, we will be three console generations ahead. By then, new games will be out to the point that no one will even think to go back to hardware that outdated. People who would want the game will have in within the time frame to implement the patch. Thus, there is no issue.
While it's true that the patches will become more difficult to access once the servers shut down, I would point out that it will still be possible through homebrew and fan archives of these patches to play the latest versions for these games, as long as such archives are maintained
This is EXACTLY my huge gripe with BDSP. At it's core, nothing inherently is wrong with the game for casual players or people who have fallen out with the series. But long time veterans, save for the Grand Underground. The track record of previous remakes promised what we hoped would be Platinum's format with a ton of extras on top of that. It felt like a slap in the face to be able to obtain your Platinum outfit without the story beats. The quality of life improvements we were looking for were in Plat and Gen 8. Infinte TMs, Move Tutors...
It's just sad for me because there are genuine quality of life features that could improve Platinum but for every improvement they took ten things away. Like imagine a HD Platinum with faster walking and HMs gone.... It is all I wanted but it didn't get that far.
My biggest problem is that given that almost all of the good points you give to the remakes are just because it’s a newer game in the series, they would also apply to a Platinum remake. Almost none of it is unique to BDSP, and as a result it comes off like “Platinum improved on the story of its generation, added new characters, one of which has become a staple in the series since, but gen 6 added Fairy type, so BDSP gets a point for that.” It would be like if you praised Platinum for having a day/night cycle, even though that was introduced in gen 2.
Your BDSP videos always have me entertained :) I hope you can find some time to go into the Pokemon games that you have missed. I think it will help you understand the community and their frustrations better
I feel like at least a big issue is that the original Diamond and Pearl had a lot of issues, so people assumed that when the Sinnoh remakes came out they would be based on Platinum and not D/P. BDSP has tons of issues though that I feel really can't be looked over though.
In spite of being a long time player, having played pokemon games for the last 16 years, I really enjoyed playing through BDSP. While I wish it borrowed more from platinum than diamond and Pearl, it resolved my biggest issue with gen 4, the terribly slow engine. I even enjoyed the glitches present in BDSP as they were mostly benign and even somewhat useful for completing the National dex much like the glitches in my first pokemon game: Pokemon Crystal.
True dude, people bashing on games for the glitches that aren't game breaking, but rather the ones that let you sequence break and stuff are the dumbest critics of all time and the biggest insult to me as a mario 64 speedrunner, the same people who complain about non game breaking glitches are the same people who will comment on speedruns saying that they didn't beat the game because they were using glitches
I mean there are many reasons. Gen 4 is my favorite region and after seeing just how much the remakes did for the old games I was excited to see how they would do for Sinnoh. Unforunatly what we got was nothing like SSHG and ORAS (in the context of something new and improved) instead we got the DS game with chibis. I was hoping for something bigger... something that would do my favorite region justice. Honestly getting sinnoh in the style of SWSH would be 100% better than what we got IMO. At least it would be new and we could apperciate Sinnoh in 3D glory and have a chance to explore my childhood from a different perspective. Just watch that one video that shows what Gen 4 remakes could of been, and you'll 100% understand what I mean. I wanted to get lost in jublife city and see all the sights... I wanted to explore mount coronet and discover all it's secrets... And then there was the fans... Oh god some pokemon fans are gaslighting maniacs. Some people are truly saddned by how these games turned out and yet we were told to "shut up and take it" essentially. Like, I always say I'm happy for those who like it but I don't... The reason I'm even giving my opinion so say that people can understand a different outlook and maybe just maybe be more open to comprimises in the future. I know the Devs probably won't hear all the problems people are having but its nice to think that there is still a chance some will get through and we can get a game everyone can enjoy. But no... some people can't handle others opinions. So yeah.. in a way the fans soured my opinions on this game too. Anyways sorry for this little rant, I'm not even sure it made sense but I'm just glad to get some of my frustrations out. To sum it all up, everyone should understand there will be differing opinions and thats okay, you shouldnt let it ruin your experiance with something, it's not personal. Oh and they did Gen 4 dirty with these remakes.
I think it's okay to have different opinions but you seem hung up on what these remakes aren't rather than focusing on what they are, I appreciate them for what they are.
@@friendlyotaku9525 I've played them too, I knew full well what I was going to get but whats to appericate? The most I could say is that I think the underground is pretty cool now (despite the nuetering of secret bases). Thats all I can say pretty much. I don't like the art style, I don't like the way the intergrated walking pokemon, It's sad they didn't include more pokemon just like previous remakes (I'm not asking for the whole national dex but at least add in some new ones). Of course this is all highly subject, but to answer your question I know what they are to me, and I didn't like them. I think thats fair to say. But out of curiosty, why do you like the games? I don't just want to bash on them... It would be refreshing to hear someone else's thoughts and their persepctive. Your views are just as valid as mine.
@@らいどう-c5m i think they recreate the original Diamond and Pearl wonderfully. I think the art style is quite charming and cute, and works for what these games are going for - they certainly weren't what I expected but I think they are nice, I love the quality of life improvements are great from newer gens including just general improvements to speed because Gen 4 is NOTORIOUSLY slow and BDSP are faster than even Platinum which itself did make some improvements, the awesome music remixes, the new contests, the grand underground also its nice not having to grind! My controversial opinion is I really like the exp share that we've had since Gen 6 - I think it was op in Gen 6 but Gen 7 and beyond balanced it a lot better so you don't get ridiculously overlevelled unless you go out of your way to do so. That's my opinion and of course, I think it's fine having different opinions - as it promotes discussion, it would be boring if we all had the same opinion!
@@friendlyotaku9525 Thank you for sharing and I really apperciate hearing your thoughts. Intrestingly enough we both share the same thoughts on exp share! Grinding can be a pain and I don't miss switching my pokemon in and out at all. That being said though, I do think there should be an option to turn it off consdering thats what many other players want, and gamefreak could do that easily (they did it before with x and y). Anyways thanks again for sharing your opinion and Its nice to know we both share some common ground :)
@@らいどう-c5m I definitely agree that it should be optional as more choice is always better and the upcoming Scarlet and Violet are all about player choice! So hopefully for those and no problem, thank you too and for sure!
Tbh i have the same feelings as you. I also wouldn’t call it the worst pokemon I’ve played as i found that for me i disliked swsh (sword and shield) the most as I found those games pretty boring and just dropped it.
You said it best, that ORAS became the ultimate gen 3 games (an impressive feat considering how good Emerald was). This was because of how modernised the game was but also THE DELTA EPSIODE! It was an excellent storyline that added a lot to the game and also let you catch an impossible to catch mythical from gen 3. Add that to updates like Fairy Type, Mega Evolutions and also just having the damn national Dex and you get a great remake. Not an upscale. It's very reasonable for fans to expect a remake instead of a remaster. Especially when they have to pay 50 quid for it.
This is something I dont see brought up often in this discussion, but something that really shied me away even more from the game was the decision to return the overworld layout to that of Diamond and Pearl. Let aside the story, Platinum did several alterations to the way certain areas looked. The gyms, buildings like the Team Galatic HQ in Eterna City, the trees in the Resort area being changed to Palm trees, Stark Mountain having lava and ashes, along many others. These didnt affect the gameplay in any way other than the visuals. So it was unfortunate that by sticking to the original Diamond and Pearl, we werent able to get see the Region itself in its best shape.
This is BDSP's greatest sin: It's a faithful remake of _Diamond and Pearl,_ not Platinum. Diamond and Pearl were mediocre games with lots of problems and missing stuff. Platinum fixed all of that and became the definitive Sinnoh experience. Then BDSP came and took all those improvements away. If BDSP included all the improvements Platinum made over DP, and the exp. share was optional, it wouldn't be so broadly hated.
It seems to me that there’s just a differing mindset between groups of Pokémon fans. => There’s the people that will settle for anything. => There’s the people that won’t settle for less. Think of the quality of recent Pokémon games as life giving you lemons: => There’s the people who will take the lemons. => There’s the people who GET MAD. “When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!” - Cave Johnson As lifetime Pokémon fans, *why should we have to take these lemons?* Why should we have to be force-fed illogical nonsense like Dexit, “new animations,” and BDSP? Why? Why should *any of us* roll over and be treated this way? Lemons. *That’s* why we’re mad, man. We aren’t going to take these lemons, and we’re going to make sure that they *HEAR US.* If all we do is roll over and take it, we’re just going to be abused forever. They’ll believe it’s acceptable, and nothing will change. Don’t. Take. The LEMONS.
Ironically, people are about to make lemonade. I can genuinely see the future where people un-dexit the games and just go "Yeah, Pokemon that have visited these modded games are no longer legal for official content, but who cares?" Like, one does not even have to add the Gen 5+-Pokemon to BDSP, it would already be great for them to simply be in the game data so you can import them from somewhere else if you want to use them.
having never played this generation, and wanting to get back into pokemon, i loved this one. i was struggling to get into legends arceus with all the new open world mechanics, going back to this with the kind of og style of the game was perfect.
Honestly, as someone who has Platinum in their Top 5 Pokemon games, I quite enjoyed BDSP. don't get me wrong, they are disappointing, and hell I probably would even call them bad games, but I just really enjoy Sinnoh as a region, and it is nice to traverse it without having to deal with so much hassle like HM's. I also just enjoy 3D Pokemon games and like seeing those trainers back again as 3D models now, they're expressive and fun. It's just frustrating to me because it was so close to being great. It just needed a few tweaks, a bit more time in the oven. If you could turn off Affection and toggle the EXP share, that would be great and let players experience the true challenge that is the E4/Champion and post game fights. If Following Pokemon worked better people would be a lot happier, but as it is right now it's more of an annoyance than anything. If the Underground properly let you get all the Platinum mons that would help too, there are some just absent for no reason (Tangela, Yanma) or don't have their evolution items like Gligar, Dusclops and Rhydon. If we just had a few more Platinum features it would be great. Bring back Looker, bring back the battle frontier (or at least the frontier brains), give us that little extra story Platinum added to flesh out the characters. The game really didn't need much to be great, so it really hurts seeing them miss the mark. I can enjoy it for what it is, but I'll always have in the back of my mind what it wasn't when I'm playing it.
This actually greatly annoys me, because this is how gamefreak has existed literally singe gen 2. When it comes to you talking about with a few tweaks it be great... if anything it's shown in their history they are very inept at doing those kinds of tweaks outside of multiplayer. And that's also our faults as fans for putting up with it thinking oh it will get better... why isn't it better in the 2020s?
I just wanna thank you for taking time to see it from another person's perspective and not saying that our reasons are unreasonable or invalid like some other people. Sure you disagreed with some stuff but you never attacked our character over it which prevented the video from becoming upsetting like other people do. Really respectful and I admire that.
On updates - honestly, if it had just been bugfixes I wouldn’t have minded as much - X and Y had an emergency patch for a save deletion bug, as an example. But Ramanas Park only being in the day 1 patch feels bad to me for players who pick up the game without internet access in a way that Sword & Shield’s DLC or Arceus’s Daybreak patch don’t - the base game is functionally complete in those cases, and they don’t have NPCs trying to tell you about locations that do not exist without a patch. But yeah, was in the camp of hoping for something that would do what ORAS did, even with the slight disappointments of them not including the Emerald Battle Frontier.
I’ll be honest, before BDSP were announced, I was hoping that they didn’t make the Sinnoh remakes with SwSh graphics or introduce Dynamax and Gigantamax I was hoping they would go the direction of Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver where they would follow Platinum’s story and bring back the Battle Frontier since with how easy it is to get a competitive Pokémon then it was in gen 3 and 4 with bottle caps and other stuff like that, I thought this might be a great for me to play the BF in Platinum since I could never raise a competitive team in gens 3 and 4, so I thought why not remake the BF with all the QOF improvements of the modern games and put it in the Sinnoh remake and that’s basically what I wanted out of a Sinnoh remake, well other then adding all the Pokémon into the game but I never expected that after SwSh What I expected was a remake along the lines of ORAS where the games would follow the same beats as the originals, but tweak the story a bit to allude to a Platinum post game episode like ORAS had or give Dialga and Palkia new forms like Groudon and Kyogre had in ORAS But after seeing the first trailer, I was taken aback by the chibi models and then thought that looks aren’t everything as long as the game was good, and I was somewhat optimistic until a week or two before release when leaks of the game came out and I followed the leaks since well, since there's nothing to spoil someone who's already played the originals, anyway I was really hoping it wasn’t the same as DP, I thought they wouldn’t leave out the Battle Frontier from BDSP considering it was one of the criticisms fans had with ORAS and that GF* had learned it’s lesson from that game, and considering this is the last time to include it in a remake for another 10 or 20 years, but my hope was shattered when I saw a leaker reach the post game and it was only the battle park/just the battle tower, but I still got the game and while first hour was nostalgic, but when I learned it was pretty much the same as DP but with some QOL improvements, I was pretty much apathetic to the game *I know Game Freak didn’t make the game, but Masuda was co-directing it Yeah so that’s pretty much what my wants, expectations and experience with BDSP was like and while it’s not as bad as some may claim, it’s just wasted potential and I’m still salty over it, I don’t think it will ever leave my mouth considering this the one time they could of done something rather then basically make a carbon copy of the original DP Sorry for my wall of text, but I just wanted to express how I felt about BDSP
I agree! It was shocking to waste the Sinnoh remake slot on simple (and rushed?) remasters. I think we were spoiled with ORAS, who got the full force of GF’s creative energies, but I try to remind myself that, in the time-crunch of ORAS and SM, “Pokémon Z” got scrapped hard in order to help Sun and Moon make its release date. There are so many unresolved storylines from XY that those games are deeply odd and unsatisfying. I am still mad that AZ’s Floette was programmed into the game and never appeared to either fight or catch! Just like in generation 6, it looks to me like GF overbooked their development schedule again: Sword and Shield, two sets of DLC, an experimental game (PLA), and BDSP. When I see that list, it seems obvious to me why they outsourced and under-thought BDSP. They other projects were probably more interesting than trying to think of how to add Wild Areas to the tightly crafted, recursive routes of Sinnoh. What makes me actually sad about BDSP is that we will never get an ORAS-style remake of DPP “because we got BDSP.” It also makes me hopeful that we DON’T get remakes of BW. If they don’t want to reimagine Unova like in ORAS (or even Let’s Go), or give us a Legends-style game about splitting the ancient dragon, then I can just boot up my 3DS and “remake” Unova myself.
Yeah, the entire experience of BDSP is especially soured when you realize that more of the game was the original code of DP ported over rather than anything new or actually “remade”
a point I saw in a review for bdsp that I don't see brought up anywhere else, the day 1 patch was not things that were last minute touches at the end of development but rather things like the new music and post game. with this fact, when bdsp is as old as platinum is and switch network services are down bdsp would have aged worse than platinum
As a person who started playing Pokemon with Diamond and Pearl, Platinum was such an amazing upgrade from those games. Especially realizing later in life how extensive those additions were and is a great reason for why Platinum is still my favourite mainline Pokemon game to date. And the way you explained it being "Platinum players are focused on what it's not" is exactly how I felt. My girlfriend and I played BDSP alongside one another when they came out, this was her first time playing a Sinnoh game and I was excited to have her experience it. But knowing that what she got was the underbaked remake of an original version of the game with none of the updated content and additions Platinum brought to the table, it just makes me sad. I don't blame ILCA or Game Freak for this as I understand the crunch these games are constantly under is crazy and especially with ILCA never technically working on a game before BDSP which wouldn't have helped I'm sure. I try to look at the bright side of this, being able to easily shiny hunt the first 4 generations of Pokemon is great, especially with SwSh cutting out a lot of Pokemon that are in BDSP, and knowing what the modding scene has already done with these games makes me excited for a true Platinum remake experience. I hope Game Freak learns from these games, because I'm sure a lot of people share this sentiment with me. If this is how they'll be approaching remakes in the future, then I hope they don't make them anymore. But I'm sure they will, BDSP's selling numbers were beyond favourable. I hope with the eventual Black and White remakes, they look back to FRLG, HGSS and ORAS and realise what made them great. Otherwise, it'll be repeated disappointment for us fans.
BDSP felt more like a demake more or less. This becomes even more apparent when you only consider the base game (no modern quality of life aspects that always come with each new generation).
BDSP felt like a relic of the past instead of somehow better than the original. One of those soulless games that came and went a la Sword & Shield. Nobody was wowed by the rerelease.
The force exp share and happiness friendship mechanic was going to be in the remake regardless if it included Platinum content simply because these were the quality of life improvements introduced in gen 8 and every remake includes the new quality life improvements introduce in the gen they release for better or for worse. The reason there is no battle frontier, vila, and platinum story element in BDSP is that the co-director assigned to the BDSP by Gamefreak was Junichi Masuda the original creator of DP. His image of Sinnoh and game design are different from Pokemon Pt director Takeshi Kawachimaru's. Take the concept of the battle frontier. It was originally created in Pokemon Emerald. The director for Emerald was Shigeki Morimoto (Also the director of HGSS ). Before Shigeki Morimoto was the head director of Emerald he was the battle director of Pokemon RS and FRLG. So when he directed Pokemon Emerald he wanted to add more to the game for battling which lead him to create the Battle Frontier. Fast forward to ORAS the battle frontier was not included. When asked in an interview why the Battle Frontier was not included Junichi Masuda basically said it wasn’t needed due to the existence of mobile games. While ORAS is directed by Shigeru Ohmori it should be noted he takes Junichi Masuda's approach to pokemon game design. It is the reason why we haven’t gotten a battle frontier in any new pokemon game. Shigeru Ohmori agrees with Junichi Masuda that modern pokemon games don’t need a battle frontier. I believe Gamefreak stated that from gen 8 and onward different games will have moves cut from them similar to pokemon. So some games will cut old moves that were in a previous game whereas others won’t. The addition of Fairy type in BDSP should not surprise anyone. They included the Steel and Dark Type in FRLG despite the fact they did not exist in gen 1. They included the Fairy type in ORAS despite it not existing in gen 3. And then Let’s go included Steel, Dark, and Fairy despite Yellow not having the typing. Anyone mad this game included Fairy type just doesn’t like the Fairy type in general. One last thing that should be noted is that recently at CEDEC Gamefreak explain how they had to change the development of games to cloud base storage (Amazon cloud systems) instead of local storage which allowed them to develop Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet at the same time. They also explain that it allowed them to make different art styles for their models and they intend to keep doing this for future games. They also revealed that Legends begin development in 2018 and SV begin development at the end of SWSH. This is my own opinion but it seems like BDSP might have suffered due to covid. I think Gamefreak intended to begin development on BDSP in 2020 with the cloud storage system because they figure they would be done with Legends. However, covid changed how fast they were progressing with the development of Legends thus resorting them to outsourcing the games to ILCA.
You still never explained why they had to cut so many items that were important to the competitive scene. Megastones aside. Where’s eviolite, assault vest, blunder policy, heavy boots, and many many more. Even remakes in the past included every new item that was added in generations before. Also why are tms not permanent?
@@SoggySlopster The two reasons I can come up with for why BDSP did not include new competitive items are that; Junichi Masuda was the co-director, and Sword and Shield did not have an official Worlds tournament until this year. As implied before Junichi Masuda's game design for Pokemon focuses on the casual aspects of pokemon games. In terms of competitive aspects of Pokemon game design, Junichi Masuda tends to stay clear from it. He probably felt that adding those new items, did not benefit the casual demographic from a gameplay design so decided not to implement them into the game. The only reason I can see why he implemented mints, ability patches/capsules, was to allow the casual demographic to change their play-through team to beneficial natures and abilities (if they did not already have one) to make the battle tower easier for them. For the second reason, you must remember due to covid the Pokemon company had to cancel Sword and Sheild worlds for 2020 and 2021. From a business perspective when you include the fact that gen 9 is releasing in 2022 and your mainline games for gen 8 still haven’t had a world event and the best shot for one is 2022, a company is less likely to care about adding in more competitive depth to a game that will not have any room to fit in their current roadmap they have laid out for their business. It should also be noted as of Gen 8 Gamefreak has decided that not every Pokemon and move will be available in upcoming games therefore games will not be able to interact through battles and trade with each other since they will not have the same movepools, and Pokemon available to them. In the remakes before BDSP, this was not the case and the remakes had to make sure they were able to interact with the new items and moves added from the generation they were remade in. After all, they had to be able to trade and battle with the main line game of that generation they were remade in. This is not the case for BDSP since it can not trade or battle with Sword and Sheild so they don’t have any incentive to make the items or moves playable in the game. The reason why TM's are not permanent is a combination of two things. The first one is in Sword and Sheild they introduce TR’s. These are items that acted like how TM's did from gen 1 to 4 and BDSP. They were made as a way to incentivize people to do the Max Raid Battles in Sword and Sheild. The second one is for BDSP they wanted to add more to incentivize people to use the mining feature of the grand underground. They figure that since the original D/P TM's basically acted like TR’s they could do a similar concept for the Grand Underground as Sword and Sheild did with incentivizing players to do Max Raid Battles. So they made it where in BDSP you can dig for spheres and trade them for TM's.
I'm really glad to see a video talking about the game still. With how fast new games come out lately, it's easy for them to just get dropped lol. I really like BDSP, while acknowledging its flaws. I'm actually shiny hunting Cresselia in SP right now haha
Thank you! I found shiny Arceus myself pretty quickly, at 1146 encounters. Cresselia still hasn't shown up at 7740 encounters so far 😅 Hopefully she won't evade me too much longer. Congrats on your Arceus btw!
For me, it’s because I wanted the same, but altered experience that the Hoenn and Kanto 3D games had. I wanted some kind of added lore, and twist to the og story, and for the game to go the Platinum route as far as story with Dialga and Palkia still being the main legendaries, but with a Platinum episode, and characters (like Barry) and some little things like how Platinum, the elite 4 had cool looking rooms. Instead, the remakes took out nearly all multiplayer features like making poffins, capture the flag, Wi-Fi Plaza and even the Battle Tower multiplayer mode, and didn’t really add anything new like letting you pet or play with your Pokémon. Imo, literally adding the Wi-Fi plaza, capture the flag, or the Villa or Battle Frontier from Pokémon platinum would of made the game more enjoyable, but the remake is just very lackluster, and I’m sure there are other things I forgot to mention that I have a problem with. I will say though that I don’t mind the graphics with the chibi, the gym and elite 4 rematches are great and challenging, customization for our character is always a great thing to have and the in game battle models are really nice for sure. Overall, I just think the remakes are meh. I really wish GameFreak themselves would’ve done the remake so we get get an altered story. I just feel like Sinnoh fans got the short end of the stick with all the wishlist hopes and things we wanted only to get done dirty. If anything, remaking Platinum without removing anything would’ve been a much better choice
even without comparing it to platinum, its just majorly lacking in polish. theres some subtle things that bother me, like collision eating your momentum, or encounter rates being too high, and the transition animation into a wild battle switching between being too sudden that it looks like a glitch, and holding my character in place for nearly 2 whole seconds before shoving me into a battle. on top of that, the thought of not comparing it to other games in the series feels weird, and the only time i've heard people say that as a defense for games that weren't very good to begin with.
I think, to put it bluntly, when looking at what GameFreak has produced when it comes to revisiting regions that haven’t been reintroduced before, people wanted much more than what BDSP gave them. BDSP only managed to give players a top-down, redrawn experience from the arguably inferior version of the games, but other revisits like ORAS and HG/SS had much more content and renewed interest in the region’s features. Admittedly, we probably only got what we got because of Legends: Arceus, but I still think people were hoping for a more fleshed out experience: we got crazy camera angles in the Sun and Moon era that made the series more cinematic, we got more fleshed out cutscenes starting in the BW era, but none of these additions are prevalent in revisiting Sinnoh. Sounds like a wholly missed opportunity.
BDSP corrected many things that made the Sinnoh of old difficult to traverse, making for an overall smoother gameplay experience for casuals. But here’s the thing: Platinum did the same exact thing back in the day. Faster speed, more variety in the Pokédex before post game, a more fleshed-out story, more balanced teams for enemy trainers. Sure, HMs are a pain, but it was a small price to pay, and many people considered Platinum to be the definitive way to experience Gen 4 for the longest time. The point is, BDSP already had a solid foundation to go off of for a Gen 4 remake, but instead the developers decided to double back on the changes made in Platinum in favor of making adjustments to the base D&P games. Wasted potential doesn’t even begin to describe this situation. You can argue that it’s more faithful that way, but in reality it feels that for every step they take forward in one area, they take two steps back somewhere else. The devs already imported the Platinum teams for gym leaders and Elite Four members for their rematches; what was stopping them from including them from the start? Personally, I would rather be blindsided by Pokémon I had never seen before if it means Flint could be a proper Fire type specialist instead of having…whatever his team is in the base game. I can understand Drifbloom because hot air balloons and Steelix because it’s metal like Flint’s name, but Lopunny? Really? Is it because they both have fluffy hair?
It's because Lopunny is supposed to be "hot". Which is...certainly a weird joke to put in a kid's game, not going to lie. They were really desperate with how they screwed up the amount of fire Pokemon in the region.
@GameSmith45 I think it’s not very surprisingly that you enjoy the game but it’s funny at the same time for one reason. I heard from some people who picked up Pokémon after a long time that they liked the game. Most of them didn’t played Gen 5, 6, 7 or 8 and returned to Pokémon. And I can totally understand that they are impressed by the graphics, new items like mints, that you can use your pc everywhere or that you don’t need HMS anymore, which is definitely an improvement. Now here is why I think it’s funny: GF labeled it as „faithful“ hoping a lot of there loyal fans would buy it for nostalgia reasons (what we did lol) but most of those fans played Gen 5-8. We already know this features and I personally like Gen 6 for the Fairy type or that gen 7 get rid of HMS or that SwSh hat Mints but we all KNOW this stuff and liked different Games for it. If you watch it from that perspective BDSP has not really anything to offer for people who played the games since Gen 4. So in conclusion: it’s a great game for people who haven’t picked up Pokémon in a long time because it’s fun for them to see all the new features but it’s definitely not very enjoyable for fans who are familiar with those features because BDSP ads nothing positive or new to Gen 4 or to Pokémon in general.
For someone who hasn't fully played through a game since gen 2, obviously the differences between then and now would be a big deal for someone coming back. 😂So I can see where you're coming from on that, and if you enjoyed them, that's great. For people who have been following Pokemon for a while, though, BDSP just felt like a step backwards. When ORAS came out it was a major overhaul to the Hoenn region, and brought in all the updates from the current generation at the time. The story was tweaked to feature Mega Evolution, the characters all got major updates to their designs/writing, graphics matched the current gen's best, etc. So, it's like you said, people were expecting BDSP to do the same and bring in all the updates from gen 8. We've had full-body models in the main series since 2016, but now we're going back to chibis? None of the character designs or dialogues have been expanded on? (Call me shallow but one of the things I was really looking forward to was seeing new outfit designs for old characters haha)nIt just felt like they did the bare minimum to shut up all the people who had been screaming for Sinnoh remakes since 2016 (and tbf, those guys were getting really annoying. But I still don't think this was the proper answer). Heck, I remember before they were released, people were wondering if QoL updates from gens 5-8 would even be included in the game (like Fairies and No HMs) because that's how much of a step backwards it felt like to us. And this isn't even mentioning the host of glitches and other technical issues. With every new release, I think it's natural for fans to expect that it will be better than the last game. So we wanted it to be a step forward from Sword and Shield, but it went backward instead. I'm glad we at least got Legend Arceus as the real step forward, but that just makes BDSP seem even more pointless by comparison. So, uh...yeah, I guess it really is just a lot of expectations, like you said. But even if we judge the game for what it is, it's essentially just DP again. Unlike ORAS, it's not a completely new experience that justifies its price tag. This story already exists exactly the exact same way in a previous game. These QoL improvements have already been happening in previous gens. I wouldn't recommend BDSP to anyone unless they've literally never touched a Sinnoh game before, or no longer have access to one, because I seriously can't justify spending $60 just to play DP again but with a slightly shinier coat of paint. 😂
I think no matter how BW remakes get made it will be disappointing. Unless they lean even harder into the original graphics and make it look like Octopath Traveler.
With how amazing the Sinnoh games where it wasn't crazy to see the huge jump in quality with older remakes that had become a standard and go think that something that we would be playing for decades would come out of one of the most beloved Pokémon games ever. For us it shouldn't have had to be an argument over which was better. BDSP was going to bring tears into our eyes as we saw Sinnoh brought back to life like never before. The idea of a "Faithful Remake" Truly dammed BDSP to a terrible fate instead of being critically acclaimed by old and new fans alike we got a game that's just "Good" Or arguably "Mediocre" and after so much waiting and praying it hurts me and probably many others to even look at BDSP. We can only and will ever see a huge example of what could have been. I hope many people are brought into the series by these games but for those who experienced the originals it's a sad tale of how we got possibly the best Pokémon game of all time ripped away from us and were left with only a husk of its nearly limitless potential. Hoped you liked my essay on the missed potential of BDSP and how it ruins it for so many.
Platinum was for all intended purposes the "patch" to diamond and pearl. Each third game in each gen was. This is why they stopped releasing third games when online updates became avaliable.
I see BDSP as a 3D virtual console of DP, which sounds fine on paper but it’s platinum that’s the fan favourite of the three. Also weird how they picked and chose what they would keep faithful to the original DP, non renewable TMs is faithful but EXP share being on with no option to turn it off is unfaithful.
So you truly understand how it feels, I refuse to give BDSP a try cause when i was 16 i absolutely wanted that Gen 4 remake. Even if it was in Gen 7 or 8s engine, i just wanted to see Diamond, Pearl or Platinum be remade and built upon for newer players to experience. It's sad, truly, I've been with this series for years, and i still give the games a try one way or another but BDSP didn't feel like it was worth my time so i played Legends Arceus which i enjoyed way more. I appreciate your thoughts on Platinum cause I hold a lot of love for that game, i owned that game on 6 separate occasions throughout my life and always thought it was such a fun game to travel through despite its constant use of HMs. Maybe someday I'll give BDSP a try, whenever i get over this bitter feeling -w-;
Anyone want to bet that a lot of people would make a petition for the Black And White Remakes/Sequels to not be like BDSP and be more like Pokemon Legends Arceus and Pokemon Scarlet & Violet especially the Open-World concept? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I hope they make absolute editions, not Eevee/Pikachu but pure YELLOW. Then Pure EMERALD. PLATINUM. BLACK/ WHITE 2, ULTRA MOON/SUN just pure faithful remakes with quality of life and all the special features and updated Pokédex bonus content etcetera. For the fans edition not for the meeting time-line edition.
well, during the release of BDSP, since I dont own a switch yet, I decided to play Diamond for the first time, left midway through, before the 6th gym and forgot about it. your video on platinum sparked me to actually give the sinnho region a new chance and have been enjoying it a lot actually
Thank you! I really do try to be as unbiased as possible and just give my honest opinion. Some people have pretty strong opinions about all this stuff though lol
I only played red, blue, yellow, pearl, soul silver. That was it. on repeat. I only recently decided to go back and go through all of them, get the gba ones on 3ds while you can.
People like have been complaining about this stuff since original Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, Pokemon Black/White , and even more in Pokemon X/Y games. Ps. If you would complain about the high price of those games I would agree with you 100% in this topic.
What I think you may be missing is that it's well established that BDSP contains much of the same code as the original Diamond and Pearl. Old glitches are able to be done in the exact same way through the exact same means. Much of the game was ported rather than remade, which gives the game an overall sense of cheapness compared to FRLG and HGSS. Additionally, I think it's incorrect to say that the Pokemon Company was rushing this game's development due to Legends Arceus when this was a remake that was outsourced to a separate development studio. GameFreak were not the ones who worked on BDSP, at least not as the primary development team. So you had an inexperienced development team that ported over an older game without doing much to update it to the standards of the much beloved Platinum and I think it becomes clear why so many didn't like the end result.
I think the main issue lies with how recent remakes or remaster were handled 🤔 oras hgss and even frlg all had extra content that either was in the 3rd game of the base gen or just straight up new as for fire red and leaf green case. This is literally the first remake that didn't really do that
The main problem with Fairy types isn't that it exists but the fact that it's broken and far worse than the Dragon types they were supposed to balance. They should've given it weaknesses to Ice and Bug, two types that needed a buff while they didn't need one of its weaknesses to be Steel which is another OP type.
They genuinely should have just made Ice resist Dragon moves and otherwise buffed it to be a better counter. I like the fairy type, but in practice it feels like it was purely implemented to arbitrarily hit certain strong types they couldn't be bothered to rebalance.(And I guess also to give Steel some super effective-utility, even tho that was never the point of the steel type, it was to be a tank.)
After Platinum I never touched my copy of Pearl again and playing BDSP made me realize how much Platinum changed from it for the better. I'm not one to complain about perma EXP Share much because I don't have many issues with it but this was a remake of a game that wasn't made with perma exp in mind and topped with the forced affection boosts is what really killed it for me. I don't hate the game, but I am very disappointed with it. Which I almost never say about games I play, ESPECIALLY Pokemon. Part of me feels bad too cause my copy was a gift from a friend because he didn't want me to feel excluded cause I was the only one in the group that was waiting to get it 1 thing I will give BDSP credit for is it's Elite Four
It looks like a Chinese mobile port that blatantly copies the OG dpp, not saying it’s a bad game just saying they could have done better with it like gamefreak did with legends of Arceus
Gen 4 was my favorite gen by far. BDSP is a giant stain on the gen and the franchise as a whole. They outsourced the remakes to some literal who random company that only makes mobile phone games. That company then makes literal direct ports but worse, with an absolutely terrible art style, no real changes to any aspect of the game other than the removal of some aspects and details, and absolutely no upgrades or positive changes at all that are the norm for Pokemon remakes. BDSP aren't a remake - they're a _de-make,_ a _downgrade,_ an _objectively worse experience_ than the original DPPt.
I like to thank the youtube algorithm for introducing me to your channel with your in-depth analysis of the pokemon game. Now as for my reaction. I've been playing pokemon since Pokemon Yellow and I stopped playing pokemon after playing the fourth generation due to life. When I finally got my switched on my birthday back in February 2023, the first thing I've bought was BDSP. I was VERY happy to return to playing videogames after all these years let alone my favorite region tied with the Jhoto region. I owned Platinum and I already finished that game back in January. The game felt a bit easier overall due to all the pokemon having experience share now. However I did enjoy the Elite Four and it was difficult if played on the same levels. I am a bit disappointed when it comes to the features for the Post-Game. They could of added the stories from DPPT. I'll still play my Pokemon Shining Pearl because it is my favorite region and I want to transfer specific pokemon from my GBA games and DS games to the recent games with the help of my friend's Nintendo 3DS. They could of done a lot better. I'm a Jhoto and Sinnoh person. I hope that the remakes for Black & White will be a lot better and the management for GF will not dissappoint the generation that loves the Unova region and so forth. My only hope will be a Let's Go Platinum in almost another decade later. Thank you for your in-depth and have a fantastic day!
I did enjoy these games, especially the elite four and Cynthia. However, some of the features did make the rest of the games too easy. While the important trainers did mostly have good strategies, stuff like the overlevelling and affection took the challenge out of their battles. Also some of the better features of platinum which were not included in diamond and pearl were kept in these remakes. For example no distortion world and the expanded pokedex. While you could get some Pokemon from the platinum dex in the hideaways, the overworld trainers don’t use them at all. You can only find them in the hideaways as well, not in the wild. Some QoL features should’ve been in the game too, like unlimited TMs. Thankfully when you get them from gym leaders and random trainers you do get more than one of them but when you find them as items in the wild you get just one. And I am SO glad they didn’t include HMs.
It’s a shame that Boring Diamond and Soulless Pearl were the Pokémon games that brought you back to this franchise. Tbh, I was less upset with BDSP than many others because I knew I wasn’t going to buy it anyway since Legends Arceus was releasing a couple months later, which was well worth the wait
i think it would be a lot easier to see why we dislike bdsp if u played the previous remakes in the franchise. i can see how someone who hasn’t played pokémon since gen 2 would find bdsp inoffensive, but it’s mediocrity really starts to show when u compare it to even the last remakes (omega ruby/alpha sapphire.) it’s just very lazy, lackluster and phoned in compared to previous remakes and pokémon games in general. it has a laughable amount of extra content and the graphics are just really.. interesting. the chibi artstyle worked great on the DS but bringing it into 3D just makes it look awkward. BDSP would have looked so much better in the style of the let’s go games. basically with all past remakes (FR/LG, HG/SS, OR/AS) they end up being the definitive way to experience that generation by a long shot. this is the first time that a remake has come out where the majority of long term pokémon fans believe the original is a better experience. a lot of the features that u bring up as things u like about bdsp, are mainstay features for the franchise now. so BDSP having no hms/exp share/rebattling isn’t innovative, it’s the bare minimum for the series at this point so no one is impressed by these games having it. these features weren’t brought to the table by BDSP, they’re features that were brought to the table up to a decade ago.i honestly think u should play some other pokémon remakes like OR/AS (the last remake in the franchise) so u can get a sense of why dedicated fans are so disappointed with BDSP
I think, at the end of the day, what hurts the most about BDSP is that these games were even allowed to exist. The majority of the code for BDSP is literally DP’s original code ported over, the only real changes were graphics and a few tweaks here and there to get it technically up to standard with the newer titles. It hurts to know that the people handling these games thought that this was an acceptable practice without any respect for the original games, and it hurts to know that Game Freak looked at this and gave it the green light anyway. People can argue all they want over which is better, but I think we can all agree that it’s utterly despicable that these games were made and distributed to us in the shoddy, loveless way that they were.
I actually enjoyed playing through BDSP, but that's not the primary reason why I bought it. I bought it to have awesome competetive Wi-Fi battles with other trainers with Pokémon that I bred in the game or transferred. This was impossible unfortunatley, due to the lack of infinite tms, and the grinding you have to do to get more of the key tms like earthquake from the battle tower. Because of this, I could only train up about a box of competetive mons, and when I thought pokmeon Home would save the day, it would reset all the moves of pokemon that I transferred. So basically a huge slap in the face to the concept of competitive battling, although I suppose it brings it closer to a true "remake" as back in the day people didn't really train pokemon for competetive, they mainly genned/savd them in, so I guess it makes sense.
I did enjoy revisiting Sinnoh, but after that, there wasn’t really much left I wanted to do. Shiny hunt? Shield and PLA. BP grinding? Shield. Battling? Shield. Just had little reason to really go back. Only parts I do really enjoy is being able to get legal Shiny mythical Pokémon. Plus I played Diamond and Platinum back when they came out, so not much was truly new for me (plus some design choices were just dumb).
I had fun with BDSP, but I was hoping the E4 would have beefed up Platinum teams for rematches, that the Battle Frontier was there, amd that areas had the look of Platinum (Eterna Forest being cloudy, Mt. Coronet having a dark blue fog, etc.). Addition: I'm ok with faries, but I feel like they need another weakness. They're basically the new dragons. Fire resists fairy, oddly enough, so why not make that a weakness?
it's sad that people mod and do rom hacks, that are so much more enjoyable than what game freak puts out. I just wish they would legit listen to fans. Hire these people who are making the best fan projects.
Gen 4 is actually my least favourite of the original 5, in terms of story/game. It does have some of my favourite mons of coursel/best designs in general. I'm just old now and when gen 4 dropped I was approaching 16 so I didn't have the love for the games I did before. It didn't grab me. Enjoyed the remake but yeah, would have liked more content. I hated gen 5 upon release based on the new roster alone but the story & graphics were great! Not too fussed on anything past gen 5. I just play them and that's that.
Enjoy it for what it is, that's exactly how I approached BDSP and have enjoyed it a lot. Heck I am still playing Brilliant Diamond. If you don't expect anything, then you'll never be disappointed.
I didn’t know that the inclusion of Fairy type Pokémon was a bug for some people! (It’s a feature for me!) Were they hoping for literal remakes, with only changes to the touchpad portions of the game?
Personally i liked bdsp, i do think platinum has some good things however bdsp does have some quality of life changes like an exp share that spreads to all and easier ways to make competitive teams, better shiny odds and i like chibis because i like LOZ links awakening
There's some good things about it like Grand Underground remixing teams, tough rematches and I kinda like the graphics. My problem with BDSP though, what does it actually add to the Pokemon series? The best parts of gen 8 (exploring in 3D, Pokemon Camp, Raid Battles, PokeJobs) are not here. The overworld Pokemon are almost completely locked to the grand underground unlike SwSH Let's Go and Legends which have full overworld encounters. Follow Pokemon have a few cute animations (metagross golem and shaymin) but a shocking amount of them just don't work or look poor like Ekans Milotic and Dialga. Pokemon are almost never to scale in this game which given that it's a 1:1 remake is surprising as Let's Go was fully able to do it so they already have at least 151/493 Pokemon scaled properly and the technical prowess to make their sizes proper. HGSS and ORAS allowed you to get Pokemon from beyond the original 251 and 389 in those games whereas BDSP locks you to 493. Bringing some of the modern Pokemon back to Sinnoh would have made the remakes exciting as leaders and elites could have used them in their rematch teams. Not to mention, Ramanas Park is completely overshadowed by Dynamax Adventures in Crown Tundra which has more legendaries for you to catch, so why bother with Ramanas as it only has gens 1-4? A big part of this remake is they're 'faithful' so no one should expect Platinum's content, but they are very inconsistent in what this means. Why get rid of HMs but undo the infinite TMs from gen 5? I don't want to trade 80BP for another Earthquake TM. Why have breeding times doubled again when SwSh halved them making competitive breeding more difficult? Why do the battles now have a system that allows you to escape from situations using affection when the originals didn't? Contests are changed and secret bases are removed which isn't faithful. Why not just return normal secret bases and give people an extra room for their statues? This isn't authentic or faithful to the originals. Also having the Platinum content would've made the game better. If the Frontier was too grindy or difficult, you could've made it easier to get competitive mons or made it like SwSh where you don't lose your entire streak by losing a battle. Not to mention, BDSP launched in a very faulty state. BDSP is not Cyberpunk or Skyrim: it's a remake of an existing game in the Unity engine, so how could it possibly be launched in such a state? Have you ever heard of a DS remake launching with horrible glitches and issues? How did it take so long for Home Compatibility and GTS? People say BDSP is just like HGSS, but HGSS reimagined a lot of the environments and made the game more immersive. A lot of buildings and cities got new details and improved art direction whereas BDSP just does the DS stuff again. In GSC you surf into a cave and find a little sprite that's meant Lugia while in HGSS he soars out from behind a waterfall after the Kimono Girls help you summon him. Ho-Oh's summit is redesigned and there are new tracks for their battles. BDSP has no improvements in that regard, everything is as you remember. Plus HGSS had a lot of content (sadly locked behind WiFi events) that BDSP wishes it had.
Not being able to turn the exp share off was incredibly frustrating. I shiny hunted a lot in the early game. By the time I reached the third gym, all of my Pokémon were over level 40. It was so utterly ridiculous I quit the game.
The only new thing bdsp brought to the table is the affection mechanic which even you admit is terrible. Everything else already existed in better games. Bdsp have no saving grace
I've never played Platinum, but I've read that it underwent several upgrades and fixes after Diamond and Pearl. And in addition to that, Distortion World and Battle Frontier were added to Platinum, which Diamond and Pearl didn't have.
Where's distortion world? Where's TOXIC, Where's traps in the underground, where is SYLVEON, where is the battle frontier, and where TF is the mega stones?!?!?!
Game Freak has to tell Nintendo and the Pokemon company that they need help with development of further Pokemon games as the "Dexit" fiasco showed the problems with the very tight and strict development time. They gave a new developer a chance with BDSP but ILCA clearly did not have enough experience.
Platinum was the game that made gen 4 my favorite generation growing up, and BDSP managed to disappoint me despite my expectations being lowered with every trailer. I tried to enjoy the game for what it was, but I couldn't even make it past the second gym, because it felt like I was just mashing the A button, mindlessly through each encounter with little thought. If they're gonna make exp share the default feature, than they should at least balance the experience curve around it, or better yet, add difficulty settings like they did in gen 5, just better than they were in gen 5 because the difficulties be version exclusive, and also having to unlock an easy mode made absolutely zero sense. Really, very little about the way these games came out made sense, and yes, my extreme disdain for them was the fact that we will likely never get a proper remake of these games in the future. RomHacks are the only salvation. Also, anyone who was upset or surprised at the addition of Fairy types was on druggies because their inclusion was a given, like how Magnemite was steel in FRLG, and how the fairy type was present in ORAS. Fairy is a very strong type, yes, but I'd take it over dragon any day simply because they give some offensive relevancy to types like steel and poison and they also lack the crazy BSTs that most dragons had.
As someone who grew up playing PEARL and has never touched Platnium at ALL (So I don't even have bias from Platnium's exclusives), I can conclude that BDSP was dissapointing. When I started my playthrough, I wanted a cool team due to me wanting to not be destroyed by Cynthia (Because people decided to tell me about it before I even played it...) So, when I was starting off? I had pretty much only a Grotle to take on all of Mars and such. It was exciting, having to use Curse, synthesis spamming through the zubat and barely beating Purugly by the skin of my teeth. ...that was one of the last times I had a challenge. By the time I reached the second gym, I found out you can find wild HOUNDOOMS in the Underground which trivialized Gardenia. Then by the 3rd gym, I had a Torterra... a TORTERRA. By the time I got to the League, I still tried my best to say "Alright, calm down. The league'll push me. It has to!" Well... near clean sweeps with one mon each time. Only one who actually made me work for it was Cynthia... but as someone who beated Pearl, I already knew the team and could prep for counters easily; Especially Garchomp. - Gyarados with Intimidate and is Immune to Earthquake. - Gardevoir with Fairy moves and immune to Outrage. - Froslass with Ice Moves once weakened and Will-O-Wisp. - Lucario for Poison Jab immunity, speed and power. - Torterra for just general bulk and Strong Attacks. - Houndoom for strong Special Attacks. It was still awesome I beat Cynthia first try, and I'm glad I got to try mons I was less capable of using before due to availability... However, Even then. I still wasn't as happy with the game. As I said. Mars was the only challenge I had; not even the gym leaders were really tough. And seeing them not re-designed felt like a gut punch. Seeing what they could've done with remaking the battle frontier to bring the facilities to the modern era... would have been amazing. And finally, they decide to shove a bunch of legendaries into one area for reasons unknown and making us underground to get it. The only benefit they get here is that we're allowed to get Regigigas and Arceus without events. That's it. ...so sorry for the essay, but TLDR; As someone who never played Platinum and only played Pearl, the modern inclusions break this game a lot and the only hard parts were unintentionally caused by myself. I feel glad that Legends made me actually feel happy, otherwise we wouldn't shut up about this for years.
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For me it's the character movement, I get its a faithful remake but I'm tired of getting hung up on things that my player model isn't touching or jumping over ledges that I don't want to jump over... These games have no polish.
Its not even faithful, in the originals you could at least use your bike for longer than five tiles without bumping into everything
Their tile work is abysmal and dont get me started on the input delay… id rather get lagged to hell in the snowpoint area than have lag on every window and menu
Edit: sorry come off so negative, im just a disappointed sinnoh stan 🤷♂️
That's not at all faithful
@@nightmarishtaco3434 I had little to no problems with the movement and I had no input delay. Not sure what you were doing wrong.
@@LinkMountaineer Your one of the lucky ones. Movement is awful compared to most if not every mainline game. Getting snagged on edges, unwilling jumping on ledges, and inconsistent input lag really hurts. It wouldn't be noticable if you haven't played a lot of the games.
That doesn't even cover the missing content, poorly balanced post game, the poor level balancing pre-endgame, horrible system to get additional legendaries, or TM's, glitches, etc.
@@bvc5320 I’ve played pretty much every Pokémon game and I can still tell you that I had worse trouble getting around in X and there is no input lag. The only content truly missing from BDSP is the Battle Frontier. Since this is a remake of Diamond/Pearl, not Platinum, it’s going to have the story of Diamond/Pearl. So, you can’t call the exclusive elements of Platinum’s story missing content. It’s balanced just fine if you don’t just use your starter for everything. I didn’t mind the Mysterious Shard mechanic either. You can get extra TMs, so them being single use again doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme. I also had no trouble with any glitches.
My sentiment ultimately comes down to: I don't think BDSP is a bad game, but I do think it's an incredibly disappointing one.
This here is the perfect description of how I feel
Same, FR/LG had a ton of new features, content, and love put into the games, OR/AS was easy but also felt like a ton of work was put to make it definitive (although because of mega evolution and no Battle Frontier those who want a hardcore experience would prefer that. The Battle Frontier in Emerald is easily the most difficult and interesting post-game to date, even the later Pl/HGSS one isn't as good because it feels like a watered down version.) Every other remake feels like they really saw what made the games great and made it better, this feels like they were given a list of changes to make to freshen things up and then all the things that make the games easier and threw that in without thinking of longtime fans. People hate on Let's go and SwSh but those games feel like better games to me as well than these. (In fact I quite enjoyed them other than that both of them were way too easy to overlevel so I had to _skip content to keep a challenge_ )
@@celestialsylveon6453 let’s go was definitely underrated but swsh was dog crap and so was bdsp.
I have to disagree because they were so disappointing compared to what we previously got and because they did so many things wrong and because it has so many intentional flaws as a remake; it objectively makes them bad games. DP were bad and flawed games aswell but they were mostly held back by the fact that the developers weren’t familiar with the Ds hardware when they developed DP so I give them a pass. Bdsp is a game made in 2021 and it’s so damn flawed that it’s easily the worst game in the series right next to sword and shield. The more intentional game design flaws that a game has the worse it is and the more likely it would be considered to be a bad game.
Yeah like WHERE TF IS ALL THE POKEMON!?
The whole history of remakes is interesting. Frlg and HGSS pretty much had everything from the original games while also having additional content, making them definitive. Oras did not include any content from Emerald which caused many fans to be upset for missing features in that game like no battle frontier. This means both Emerald and oras are still great hoenn games that are really different experiences with the "better" one being a preference. This creates some similarity between oras and bdsp when it comes to hard-core fan reception. However oras at the very least still had a bunch of new stuff to enjoy despite it missing features. New character designs, a much more fleshed out and better version of the original story, new mega evolutions, optional exp. Share, and more with all previous quality of life features. BDSP meanwhile has basically no new content for longtime fans to dig into that differentiates itself from diamond and pearl. The only truly new things were the way they changed underground and some of the postgame legendary encounters. The quality of life features aren't "new" to long time players so they aren't really selling points, they're expectations. If you're a hard-core fan, you still likely replay the old games so the appeal of the remake is the new content and changes, not quality of life features that have existed for years. When the remake has nothing new (from a long time fan pov) and actively takes away features from the game you love, why even play it? The music? Idk, this is coming from someone who has finished every mainline pokemon game multiple times (legends only once) but have not played past the 3rd badge of bdsp. I just kept thinking while I was playing "I wish I was playing platinum" everytime I noticed things missing. I love to bring up the poketch button thing because that tiny problem pretty much sums up my frustration with the game.
You hit the nail on the head there. The biggest problem with BDSP is that they're remakes of Diamond and Pearl, which remade all the issues the originals had that were fixed in Platinum
@@Paws42the main issue was the dex which is fixed by the underground anyways
To me, the reason I wouldn't count the quality of life improvements included in previous generations is because those features become standard and we're a given to be included. A few of which were removed like reusable tms which were a thing since gen 5.
So it feels like getting a point for not even needing to try and still screwing up
I mean quality of life improvements are still worth pointing out regardless
@@friendlyotaku9525 I don't disagree. I just don't think they deserve a full point for providing standard features. Especially when they don't even bring all of them.
@@mienechooraceon9401 aside from infinite tm use I'm pretty sure BDSP include all the main QOL features that we have seen since Gen 5. I do think they deserve a point as it is something they have over Platinum, even the speed of the game itself
Can agree, but a reason I understand it being mentioned is him not knowing about it at all. He had zero perspective. (same with the fairy-type add)
And we may think it being there doesn't add much to the big picture, but also, it not being there may have taken a lot away from it too, and you'd think 'it's even worse'. Plus there's that easy choice they'd have to not've included it even though everyone & their mum expects it in a good way..
So it is "good" either you'd always know or just now know, therefore simply stating it's good as it is wouldn't cause too much harm right, I think? 🤔 Sorry for rambling lol
People get a better game than the original and still point out everything isn't perfect. "There are quality of life improvements but since they added that before, I'm going to act like they don't exist" god people are morons.
I think it's always great that the games get people into the franchise, but asking for a better product isn't wrong either imo. They could've remaster platinum in hd with the quality of life improvements and that would have been better received by fans, and also caught people's interest.
Yellow, Crystal, and Emerald didn’t get that treatment. Trends would indicate that Gen 4 wouldn’t either, which is what happened. Moral of the story is to not expect things you were never promised.
@@LinkMountaineer Let’s Go was basically a remake of Pokémon Yellow.
@@obits3 A very watered down one, though. Far worse than BDSP, even.
@@LinkMountaineer cap
@@Zekethefreak123 Only cap here is you.
The thing is BDSP doesn’t bring anything to the table. In fact it goes to the table and takes things away. Every remake takes what’s been established in that generation and builds on it. Sword and shield introduced a lot to get people into competitive and bdsp takes them away. Gen4 is praised for being one of the best meta games in Pokémon games but bdsp drops that to waste side.
Every game since the 3d era had an info screen in battle that shows statuses of Pokémon, hazards, weather turns remaining, etc.
BDSP takes it away. Even Let’s Go has it like really!?
Every game since gen 5 has had unlimited use TMs.
BDSP takes that away. I can’t even imagine why?
Sword and shield introduced nature mints and exp candy to help you with training Pokémon.
BDSP keeps nature mints but ditches exp candy. Ok ever game since XY has made it easier to grind to level 100 so what does BDSP do? VS seeker the same chansey trainer over and over. Excuse me!? Faithful remake but you include nature mints and not candy…..ok.
What about ditto. The games have made it easier to get 4-5iv dittos from XY’s friend safari to SWSH’s raid dens that are easy to summon just drop a wishing piece.
BDSP? Better chain 100 ditto together and hope that it’s at least 4ivs oh your chain broke too bad start from the beginning.
Ok I want to get some competitive items for my team well in SWSH I could grind the battle tower with one of five rental teams and not only do decently but learn one of five play styles. BDSP? Nope better use that in game team and lose until you have 50 bp.
Everyone says that the best part is the E4 and champion. But guess what if I’m a new player I just spent 8 hours battling dudes with level 30 wurples just to be thrown into an E4 where the trainer has perfect IV Pokémon that are ev trained and have items. When does the game teach you any of this? It doesn’t it literally doesn’t teach you about items, abilities, evs, etc. (who is this made for?)
Remember when SWSH brought back old legendaries and changed up the formula where you can play with friends and shiny hunt at the same time while using rental Pokémon to at least provide some strategy. BDSP?
Hey go underground and look for these rocks for 20 hours and then throw 30 ultra balls at mewtwo….fun.
Shiny hunting? How about we make the shiny charm only effect eggs? Excuse me? Honestly why?
BDSP literally brings nothing but the strongest champion in the history of the series. But if only 1% of your game is good……
that's what makes it better than most. legends arceus is an abomination with fake advertisement. it should be removed from the store
Exactly this. Hope the creator of this video sees your comment.
Great comment! I think what a lot of people forget is that the same people who plaid Platinum grew up with playing HG/SS. Probably the best remake ever. If you compare it to Crystal it’s much better. Now some of us was looking forward to this for 15 years just to get a version that is not even better better then what we already got 😅 I think they should have called it remastered because it was definitely not a remake and that is what we wanted
Such a good point! They are definitely remasters, not remakes.
You know what's really embarrassing? The game actually has the exact same glitches and oversights that the original DS version had back in 2006, which is incredibly unprofessional for a game released in 2021. In addition, at launch, the game also introduced a bunch of new glitches, which forced some players to DELETE THEIR SAVE FILES. In other words, not only do old glitches return, but new ones are also present to mess things up, thus resulting in a game that feels like it was made back in Gen 1
I mean, those QoL improvements are to be expected with 14-15 years of difference between releases. People weren't expecting a faithful remake, and things like the improved surfing and battle speeds are pretty great, but they ARE expected for it to be a better version of DPPt. The REAL issue comes when instead of expanding on already built content like Secret Bases, Contests or Platinum's expansions, they chose to redesign or remove everything. They could have made the statues work on a different secret base room or make contests have a new phase, but they decided to change everything.
Competitively speaking, the games are also a mess. Sure, you get amazing things like IV Judge, Mints, Bottle Caps or Charms, but they got rid of move tutors (except for already given moves like elemental Hyper Beams or Draco Meteor), and TMs are single-use again (you can purchase them back, but why wouldn't they simply make TRs or tutors when that worked perfectly for other games?). It's also pretty lame you don't even get regional forms or any mechanic like Megas or Dynamax; even if they didn't add any new form, there are already plenty.
As you mentioned, every other remake tried to at least be like the new generation; there's no point on playing a "cleaner" version of the same game if they don't add new places to explore; new Pokemon; new mechanics (without messing already existing ones); expanded story; new redesigns... even Let's Go, the simplest remake, compensated every missing feature with updated mechanics, Mega Evolution, Alola Forms, rideable and better following Pokemon, making a new story (even if I don't love it) to make it fit on the current generation; Pokemon with proper sizes inside and outside battles, Meltan and Melmetal, a unique artstyle... things that BDSP didn't bother to do, and it makes it lack any personality other than being "the same game with some QoL".
Love your comments. Always so thoughtful
@@GameSmith45 likewise, love your videos dude!
None wanted a faithfzl remake. Its just a marketing move for being lazy xD
I prefer platinum myself mainly because of the more balanced and rich experience, but I must say - it was a pleasure to hear the other side of the discussion in a pleasent way. Im always open to hear other opinions as long as the conversation is the way it should be, and I can totally see where youre coming from and what makes your point of view the way it is
I was going to comment that you should play Heartgold or Soulsilver to get a feel for what a Pokémon remake means to fans, seeing as how you said you played Silver, and presumably have some nostalgia for it. It will give you the exact idea of what us Platinum players were hoping to get from a Sinnoh remake. But then you started talking about it at the end and hit the nail on the head. BDSP just hurts, Platinum is my favourite Pokémon game, and it was my favourite game of all time until I was 21 (when I played Persona 5 and it became my favourite game of time), and is still my second favourite game of all time. BDSP hurts because of what it could’ve been. What we were expecting when the rumours were rumbling of a Sinnoh remake, what we were expecting on that day when it got revealed. Only to be hit with “faithful remake of Diamond and Pearl.” It hurts to know that the remake of the Sinnoh games didn’t surpass the originals…what was even the point? It hurts to know that, like you said in the video, we will probably never have a second chance, another shot at a Sinnoh remake that we actually asked for. We are stuck with BDSP forever, while the Hoenn kids get to love ORAS and the Johto kids were blessed with HGSS, we’re stuck with BDSP…a worse game than Platinum forever. Legends Arceus did soften the blow a little I guess, as fun as that game was though…Hisui just isn’t Sinnoh. I wanted to explore the lively atmospheres of Hearthome City and Jubilife city, climb the towering mount coronet, see what characters like Dawn, Barry, and Cynthia would be like in a brand new way. Arceus just did not give us that unfortunately…oh well I’m rambling now so I’ll end my comment here 😅
As the consumer I think it's completely fair to look at BDSP for what it's not. There has already been a set expectation for a level of quality to the remakes of this franchise and many people don't want to spend their hard earned money on something that doesn't meet those expectations.
I do appreciate you trying to look at the situation in a better light tho, good video.
I think a large part of the problem also comes from the fact that, based on the recent trend in Pokemon games, we can tell that not only was this game not sufficient in its own right... but it was a cheap cash grab, and the _reason_ why it was insufficient was just a lack of care. The Pokemon Co.'s mantra recently seems to be: "It'll sell anyway, so why try?" with a few exceptions for spin-offs.
If this game wasn't the culmination of years of growing inadequacies, it wouldn't have been lambasted as it was.
Quality of life improvements are standard in remakes. They even added double battles in fire red. BDSP is my least favorite Pokémon game because it adds nothing new to the table. And also making a faithful remake to diamond and pearl with very few platinum additions, the game people like more, is something a massive missed opportunity.
It would be interesting to see what you'd think of the Gen V games. They are a bit of a sweet spot in having some more quality of life features with out being overbearingly hand holdy like later titles. HMs still exist but are rarely required and TMs have infinite usage. There are numerous battle facilities which aren't too much of a content gap from the battle frontier. They include lots of past legendaries but in a more immersive way that suits each of them, rather than the generic dump of all of them seen in later generations (BDSP included).
One thing you keep bringing up is how the modern EXP share saves switching out to another pokemon. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there is an EXP share up to gen V that works as a held item, so while it doesn't give the whole party EXP, it will help train one pokemon without ever sending them out to battle.
I plan on going back and playing most of them. I had heard about the experience share being a held item. I can't remember if that was in Silver or not, but I'm glad that's how it works in those
Yeah it was a held item in Silver.
I'd say XY was really good in that regard. To EV grind, you could use the punching bags and the little soccer arena thing. I found that to be a really fun mini game with a purpose!!! It wasn't just FREE like newer games, and still had a bit of a strategy to it. Plus you could easily count and fine tune EVs with this method. It didn't take an absurd amount of time but took a reasonable amount I think, and wasn't really boring or that much of a grind. Gen 7 is when things really got way too easy. IMO.
@@GameSmith45 Before gen 6, it was a held item that automatically splits 50% of the exp to the holder, which you can shift further to 75% by having them participate in battle
I think romhacks like renegade platinum are the final experience for the sinnoh region as they feature almost all quality of life improvement while retaining the new content and even adding more and they make the time limited events accessible again in a coherent way with the story
Yeah makes me happy that a renegade platinum mod is being made for bdsp
I'm excited to check that one out
@@GameSmith45 Sigma or luminiscent platinum
I think that what makes it so hard to judge the game for what it is rather than what it isn’t is, as was shown in the video, Gamefreak had created a standard when it came to their Pokémon remakes for every previous Gen in a way that not only improved on the originals but also carried the torch of that current Gen basically uniting the 2. From quality of life updates and new features to little fun things like updated character models they had formed a standard that had carried on for multiple generations. They then took that standard and threw it out the window in the name of being “faithful” to a fault.
It also doesn’t help that we saw the One Piece game made by ILCA that shows that they could have made the DP game fans imagined or Pokémon Snap showing how beautiful a third party made game could be.
Game Freak didn't make these remakes though so it's unfair to judge them by those standards
@@friendlyotaku9525 Gamefreak didn’t make them but Masuda was a part of the development of the game. While they outsourced it, I have no doubt that they told ILCA to create a faithful remake as opposed to one like their previous remakes
@@Omnislash7 he was a co-director so he could help out as he directed the originals.
BDSP was released in an unfinished state. There was a day one patch for the intro and postgame. Once the Switch’s servers shut down you can’t download it leaving it in an even worse state than DP.
With SwSh’s release I questioned how it got released as a finished product being shipped worldwide but I never expected it to be THIS bad for BDSP.
What's funny is that the soundtrack was so unfinished that the elite four had a MIDI placeholder before the patch
I’ve never understood this argument. You make the case of “you can’t update when the servers shut down”, but when do think the servers would shut down? Next week or in a decade minimum? The 3DS and Wii U eShops are set to shut down in March 2023. This is next year. This isn’t even online support for the Wii U or 3DS either. So, that’s probably got a good couple years left still. I remember I got my 3DS along with Ocarina of Time 3D in June 2011. This was over 11 years ago. In that time, the Switch is probably the third console since the 3DS. Logic would follow that the Switch servers will be online for a good long while. By the time the servers do shut down, we will be three console generations ahead. By then, new games will be out to the point that no one will even think to go back to hardware that outdated. People who would want the game will have in within the time frame to implement the patch. Thus, there is no issue.
@@LinkMountaineer That's nonsense. Hobbyists still get into older generations to this day.
While it's true that the patches will become more difficult to access once the servers shut down, I would point out that it will still be possible through homebrew and fan archives of these patches to play the latest versions for these games, as long as such archives are maintained
@@FLForrest That’s great for them. I literally couldn’t finish Crystal after playing Ruby. It just looked that much worse by comparison.
This is EXACTLY my huge gripe with BDSP. At it's core, nothing inherently is wrong with the game for casual players or people who have fallen out with the series. But long time veterans, save for the Grand Underground. The track record of previous remakes promised what we hoped would be Platinum's format with a ton of extras on top of that. It felt like a slap in the face to be able to obtain your Platinum outfit without the story beats.
The quality of life improvements we were looking for were in Plat and Gen 8.
Infinte TMs, Move Tutors...
It's just sad for me because there are genuine quality of life features that could improve Platinum but for every improvement they took ten things away. Like imagine a HD Platinum with faster walking and HMs gone.... It is all I wanted but it didn't get that far.
My biggest problem is that given that almost all of the good points you give to the remakes are just because it’s a newer game in the series, they would also apply to a Platinum remake. Almost none of it is unique to BDSP, and as a result it comes off like “Platinum improved on the story of its generation, added new characters, one of which has become a staple in the series since, but gen 6 added Fairy type, so BDSP gets a point for that.” It would be like if you praised Platinum for having a day/night cycle, even though that was introduced in gen 2.
Your BDSP videos always have me entertained :)
I hope you can find some time to go into the Pokemon games that you have missed. I think it will help you understand the community and their frustrations better
Thank you! I plan on going back and playing a number of them. Platinum was an eye opener in terms of QoL updates and storyline
I feel like at least a big issue is that the original Diamond and Pearl had a lot of issues, so people assumed that when the Sinnoh remakes came out they would be based on Platinum and not D/P. BDSP has tons of issues though that I feel really can't be looked over though.
@bruh moment trueee
In spite of being a long time player, having played pokemon games for the last 16 years, I really enjoyed playing through BDSP. While I wish it borrowed more from platinum than diamond and Pearl, it resolved my biggest issue with gen 4, the terribly slow engine. I even enjoyed the glitches present in BDSP as they were mostly benign and even somewhat useful for completing the National dex much like the glitches in my first pokemon game: Pokemon Crystal.
True dude, people bashing on games for the glitches that aren't game breaking, but rather the ones that let you sequence break and stuff are the dumbest critics of all time and the biggest insult to me as a mario 64 speedrunner, the same people who complain about non game breaking glitches are the same people who will comment on speedruns saying that they didn't beat the game because they were using glitches
I mean there are many reasons. Gen 4 is my favorite region and after seeing just how much the remakes did for the old games I was excited to see how they would do for Sinnoh. Unforunatly what we got was nothing like SSHG and ORAS (in the context of something new and improved) instead we got the DS game with chibis. I was hoping for something bigger... something that would do my favorite region justice. Honestly getting sinnoh in the style of SWSH would be 100% better than what we got IMO. At least it would be new and we could apperciate Sinnoh in 3D glory and have a chance to explore my childhood from a different perspective. Just watch that one video that shows what Gen 4 remakes could of been, and you'll 100% understand what I mean.
I wanted to get lost in jublife city and see all the sights... I wanted to explore mount coronet and discover all it's secrets...
And then there was the fans... Oh god some pokemon fans are gaslighting maniacs. Some people are truly saddned by how these games turned out and yet we were told to "shut up and take it" essentially. Like, I always say I'm happy for those who like it but I don't... The reason I'm even giving my opinion so say that people can understand a different outlook and maybe just maybe be more open to comprimises in the future. I know the Devs probably won't hear all the problems people are having but its nice to think that there is still a chance some will get through and we can get a game everyone can enjoy. But no... some people can't handle others opinions. So yeah.. in a way the fans soured my opinions on this game too.
Anyways sorry for this little rant, I'm not even sure it made sense but I'm just glad to get some of my frustrations out.
To sum it all up, everyone should understand there will be differing opinions and thats okay, you shouldnt let it ruin your experiance with something, it's not personal. Oh and they did Gen 4 dirty with these remakes.
I think it's okay to have different opinions but you seem hung up on what these remakes aren't rather than focusing on what they are, I appreciate them for what they are.
@@friendlyotaku9525 I've played them too, I knew full well what I was going to get but whats to appericate? The most I could say is that I think the underground is pretty cool now (despite the nuetering of secret bases). Thats all I can say pretty much. I don't like the art style, I don't like the way the intergrated walking pokemon, It's sad they didn't include more pokemon just like previous remakes (I'm not asking for the whole national dex but at least add in some new ones). Of course this is all highly subject, but to answer your question I know what they are to me, and I didn't like them. I think thats fair to say.
But out of curiosty, why do you like the games? I don't just want to bash on them... It would be refreshing to hear someone else's thoughts and their persepctive. Your views are just as valid as mine.
@@らいどう-c5m i think they recreate the original Diamond and Pearl wonderfully. I think the art style is quite charming and cute, and works for what these games are going for - they certainly weren't what I expected but I think they are nice, I love the quality of life improvements are great from newer gens including just general improvements to speed because Gen 4 is NOTORIOUSLY slow and BDSP are faster than even Platinum which itself did make some improvements, the awesome music remixes, the new contests, the grand underground also its nice not having to grind! My controversial opinion is I really like the exp share that we've had since Gen 6 - I think it was op in Gen 6 but Gen 7 and beyond balanced it a lot better so you don't get ridiculously overlevelled unless you go out of your way to do so. That's my opinion and of course, I think it's fine having different opinions - as it promotes discussion, it would be boring if we all had the same opinion!
@@friendlyotaku9525 Thank you for sharing and I really apperciate hearing your thoughts. Intrestingly enough we both share the same thoughts on exp share! Grinding can be a pain and I don't miss switching my pokemon in and out at all. That being said though, I do think there should be an option to turn it off consdering thats what many other players want, and gamefreak could do that easily (they did it before with x and y). Anyways thanks again for sharing your opinion and Its nice to know we both share some common ground :)
@@らいどう-c5m I definitely agree that it should be optional as more choice is always better and the upcoming Scarlet and Violet are all about player choice! So hopefully for those and no problem, thank you too and for sure!
I played the originals and still enjoyed playing BDSP. It’s not perfect but I don’t think it’s as much of a monstocity as people make them out to be.
Tbh i have the same feelings as you. I also wouldn’t call it the worst pokemon I’ve played as i found that for me i disliked swsh (sword and shield) the most as I found those games pretty boring and just dropped it.
You said it best, that ORAS became the ultimate gen 3 games (an impressive feat considering how good Emerald was).
This was because of how modernised the game was but also THE DELTA EPSIODE! It was an excellent storyline that added a lot to the game and also let you catch an impossible to catch mythical from gen 3. Add that to updates like Fairy Type, Mega Evolutions and also just having the damn national Dex and you get a great remake. Not an upscale.
It's very reasonable for fans to expect a remake instead of a remaster. Especially when they have to pay 50 quid for it.
I think it's a safe bet to say that BDSP is the Bruno of the Pokemon franchise....😅
We don't talk about brilliant diamond and shining pearl
@@SpartanS1ayer195 You should try to sing it or at least a line for laughs.😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
@@TevinBlair 😂😂
Didn't Bruno turn out to be misjudged in the end? ;)
@@GameSmith45 😂
This is something I dont see brought up often in this discussion, but something that really shied me away even more from the game was the decision to return the overworld layout to that of Diamond and Pearl. Let aside the story, Platinum did several alterations to the way certain areas looked. The gyms, buildings like the Team Galatic HQ in Eterna City, the trees in the Resort area being changed to Palm trees, Stark Mountain having lava and ashes, along many others. These didnt affect the gameplay in any way other than the visuals. So it was unfortunate that by sticking to the original Diamond and Pearl, we werent able to get see the Region itself in its best shape.
This is BDSP's greatest sin: It's a faithful remake of _Diamond and Pearl,_ not Platinum.
Diamond and Pearl were mediocre games with lots of problems and missing stuff. Platinum fixed all of that and became the definitive Sinnoh experience. Then BDSP came and took all those improvements away.
If BDSP included all the improvements Platinum made over DP, and the exp. share was optional, it wouldn't be so broadly hated.
It seems to me that there’s just a differing mindset between groups of Pokémon fans.
=> There’s the people that will settle for anything.
=> There’s the people that won’t settle for less.
Think of the quality of recent Pokémon games as life giving you lemons:
=> There’s the people who will take the lemons.
=> There’s the people who GET MAD.
“When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!”
- Cave Johnson
As lifetime Pokémon fans, *why should we have to take these lemons?*
Why should we have to be force-fed illogical nonsense like Dexit, “new animations,” and BDSP?
Why?
Why should *any of us* roll over and be treated this way?
Lemons.
*That’s* why we’re mad, man.
We aren’t going to take these lemons, and we’re going to make sure that they *HEAR US.*
If all we do is roll over and take it, we’re just going to be abused forever.
They’ll believe it’s acceptable, and nothing will change.
Don’t.
Take.
The LEMONS.
Ironically, people are about to make lemonade. I can genuinely see the future where people un-dexit the games and just go "Yeah, Pokemon that have visited these modded games are no longer legal for official content, but who cares?" Like, one does not even have to add the Gen 5+-Pokemon to BDSP, it would already be great for them to simply be in the game data so you can import them from somewhere else if you want to use them.
having never played this generation, and wanting to get back into pokemon, i loved this one. i was struggling to get into legends arceus with all the new open world mechanics, going back to this with the kind of og style of the game was perfect.
I just discovered your channel. I hope you make many more Pokemon videos! You have a very calming voice and you don’t overexplain things.
Thank you! I’ll keep them coming
Honestly, as someone who has Platinum in their Top 5 Pokemon games, I quite enjoyed BDSP. don't get me wrong, they are disappointing, and hell I probably would even call them bad games, but I just really enjoy Sinnoh as a region, and it is nice to traverse it without having to deal with so much hassle like HM's. I also just enjoy 3D Pokemon games and like seeing those trainers back again as 3D models now, they're expressive and fun. It's just frustrating to me because it was so close to being great. It just needed a few tweaks, a bit more time in the oven. If you could turn off Affection and toggle the EXP share, that would be great and let players experience the true challenge that is the E4/Champion and post game fights. If Following Pokemon worked better people would be a lot happier, but as it is right now it's more of an annoyance than anything. If the Underground properly let you get all the Platinum mons that would help too, there are some just absent for no reason (Tangela, Yanma) or don't have their evolution items like Gligar, Dusclops and Rhydon. If we just had a few more Platinum features it would be great. Bring back Looker, bring back the battle frontier (or at least the frontier brains), give us that little extra story Platinum added to flesh out the characters. The game really didn't need much to be great, so it really hurts seeing them miss the mark. I can enjoy it for what it is, but I'll always have in the back of my mind what it wasn't when I'm playing it.
This actually greatly annoys me, because this is how gamefreak has existed literally singe gen 2. When it comes to you talking about with a few tweaks it be great... if anything it's shown in their history they are very inept at doing those kinds of tweaks outside of multiplayer. And that's also our faults as fans for putting up with it thinking oh it will get better... why isn't it better in the 2020s?
I just wanna thank you for taking time to see it from another person's perspective and not saying that our reasons are unreasonable or invalid like some other people. Sure you disagreed with some stuff but you never attacked our character over it which prevented the video from becoming upsetting like other people do. Really respectful and I admire that.
Thank you! I appreciate you saying that
On updates - honestly, if it had just been bugfixes I wouldn’t have minded as much - X and Y had an emergency patch for a save deletion bug, as an example. But Ramanas Park only being in the day 1 patch feels bad to me for players who pick up the game without internet access in a way that Sword & Shield’s DLC or Arceus’s Daybreak patch don’t - the base game is functionally complete in those cases, and they don’t have NPCs trying to tell you about locations that do not exist without a patch.
But yeah, was in the camp of hoping for something that would do what ORAS did, even with the slight disappointments of them not including the Emerald Battle Frontier.
I’ll be honest, before BDSP were announced, I was hoping that they didn’t make the Sinnoh remakes with SwSh graphics or introduce Dynamax and Gigantamax
I was hoping they would go the direction of Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver where they would follow Platinum’s story and bring back the Battle Frontier since with how easy it is to get a competitive Pokémon then it was in gen 3 and 4 with bottle caps and other stuff like that, I thought this might be a great for me to play the BF in Platinum since I could never raise a competitive team in gens 3 and 4, so I thought why not remake the BF with all the QOF improvements of the modern games and put it in the Sinnoh remake and that’s basically what I wanted out of a Sinnoh remake, well other then adding all the Pokémon into the game but I never expected that after SwSh
What I expected was a remake along the lines of ORAS where the games would follow the same beats as the originals, but tweak the story a bit to allude to a Platinum post game episode like ORAS had or give Dialga and Palkia new forms like Groudon and Kyogre had in ORAS
But after seeing the first trailer, I was taken aback by the chibi models and then thought that looks aren’t everything as long as the game was good, and I was somewhat optimistic until a week or two before release when leaks of the game came out and I followed the leaks since well, since there's nothing to spoil someone who's already played the originals, anyway I was really hoping it wasn’t the same as DP, I thought they wouldn’t leave out the Battle Frontier from BDSP considering it was one of the criticisms fans had with ORAS and that GF* had learned it’s lesson from that game, and considering this is the last time to include it in a remake for another 10 or 20 years, but my hope was shattered when I saw a leaker reach the post game and it was only the battle park/just the battle tower, but I still got the game and while first hour was nostalgic, but when I learned it was pretty much the same as DP but with some QOL improvements, I was pretty much apathetic to the game
*I know Game Freak didn’t make the game, but Masuda was co-directing it
Yeah so that’s pretty much what my wants, expectations and experience with BDSP was like and while it’s not as bad as some may claim, it’s just wasted potential and I’m still salty over it, I don’t think it will ever leave my mouth considering this the one time they could of done something rather then basically make a carbon copy of the original DP
Sorry for my wall of text, but I just wanted to express how I felt about BDSP
Yeah, can see what you mean.... and have felt the same way for Unova, I've never wanted it remade
I agree! It was shocking to waste the Sinnoh remake slot on simple (and rushed?) remasters. I think we were spoiled with ORAS, who got the full force of GF’s creative energies, but I try to remind myself that, in the time-crunch of ORAS and SM, “Pokémon Z” got scrapped hard in order to help Sun and Moon make its release date. There are so many unresolved storylines from XY that those games are deeply odd and unsatisfying. I am still mad that AZ’s Floette was programmed into the game and never appeared to either fight or catch!
Just like in generation 6, it looks to me like GF overbooked their development schedule again: Sword and Shield, two sets of DLC, an experimental game (PLA), and BDSP. When I see that list, it seems obvious to me why they outsourced and under-thought BDSP. They other projects were probably more interesting than trying to think of how to add Wild Areas to the tightly crafted, recursive routes of Sinnoh.
What makes me actually sad about BDSP is that we will never get an ORAS-style remake of DPP “because we got BDSP.” It also makes me hopeful that we DON’T get remakes of BW. If they don’t want to reimagine Unova like in ORAS (or even Let’s Go), or give us a Legends-style game about splitting the ancient dragon, then I can just boot up my 3DS and “remake” Unova myself.
Yeah, the entire experience of BDSP is especially soured when you realize that more of the game was the original code of DP ported over rather than anything new or actually “remade”
a point I saw in a review for bdsp that I don't see brought up anywhere else, the day 1 patch was not things that were last minute touches at the end of development but rather things like the new music and post game. with this fact, when bdsp is as old as platinum is and switch network services are down bdsp would have aged worse than platinum
Dang that’s a good point
As a person who started playing Pokemon with Diamond and Pearl, Platinum was such an amazing upgrade from those games. Especially realizing later in life how extensive those additions were and is a great reason for why Platinum is still my favourite mainline Pokemon game to date. And the way you explained it being "Platinum players are focused on what it's not" is exactly how I felt. My girlfriend and I played BDSP alongside one another when they came out, this was her first time playing a Sinnoh game and I was excited to have her experience it. But knowing that what she got was the underbaked remake of an original version of the game with none of the updated content and additions Platinum brought to the table, it just makes me sad. I don't blame ILCA or Game Freak for this as I understand the crunch these games are constantly under is crazy and especially with ILCA never technically working on a game before BDSP which wouldn't have helped I'm sure. I try to look at the bright side of this, being able to easily shiny hunt the first 4 generations of Pokemon is great, especially with SwSh cutting out a lot of Pokemon that are in BDSP, and knowing what the modding scene has already done with these games makes me excited for a true Platinum remake experience.
I hope Game Freak learns from these games, because I'm sure a lot of people share this sentiment with me. If this is how they'll be approaching remakes in the future, then I hope they don't make them anymore. But I'm sure they will, BDSP's selling numbers were beyond favourable. I hope with the eventual Black and White remakes, they look back to FRLG, HGSS and ORAS and realise what made them great. Otherwise, it'll be repeated disappointment for us fans.
BDSP felt more like a demake more or less. This becomes even more apparent when you only consider the base game (no modern quality of life aspects that always come with each new generation).
BDSP felt like a relic of the past instead of somehow better than the original. One of those soulless games that came and went a la Sword & Shield. Nobody was wowed by the rerelease.
It gets worse
According to google trends more people are searching for swsh than for bdsp
The force exp share and happiness friendship mechanic was going to be in the remake regardless if it included Platinum content simply because these were the quality of life improvements introduced in gen 8 and every remake includes the new quality life improvements introduce in the gen they release for better or for worse.
The reason there is no battle frontier, vila, and platinum story element in BDSP is that the co-director assigned to the BDSP by Gamefreak was Junichi Masuda the original creator of DP. His image of Sinnoh and game design are different from Pokemon Pt director Takeshi Kawachimaru's. Take the concept of the battle frontier. It was originally created in Pokemon Emerald. The director for Emerald was Shigeki Morimoto (Also the director of HGSS ). Before Shigeki Morimoto was the head director of Emerald he was the battle director of Pokemon RS and FRLG. So when he directed Pokemon Emerald he wanted to add more to the game for battling which lead him to create the Battle Frontier. Fast forward to ORAS the battle frontier was not included. When asked in an interview why the Battle Frontier was not included Junichi Masuda basically said it wasn’t needed due to the existence of mobile games. While ORAS is directed by Shigeru Ohmori it should be noted he takes Junichi Masuda's approach to pokemon game design. It is the reason why we haven’t gotten a battle frontier in any new pokemon game. Shigeru Ohmori agrees with Junichi Masuda that modern pokemon games don’t need a battle frontier.
I believe Gamefreak stated that from gen 8 and onward different games will have moves cut from them similar to pokemon. So some games will cut old moves that were in a previous game whereas others won’t.
The addition of Fairy type in BDSP should not surprise anyone. They included the Steel and Dark Type in FRLG despite the fact they did not exist in gen 1. They included the Fairy type in ORAS despite it not existing in gen 3. And then Let’s go included Steel, Dark, and Fairy despite Yellow not having the typing. Anyone mad this game included Fairy type just doesn’t like the Fairy type in general.
One last thing that should be noted is that recently at CEDEC Gamefreak explain how they had to change the development of games to cloud base storage (Amazon cloud systems) instead of local storage which allowed them to develop Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet at the same time. They also explain that it allowed them to make different art styles for their models and they intend to keep doing this for future games. They also revealed that Legends begin development in 2018 and SV begin development at the end of SWSH. This is my own opinion but it seems like BDSP might have suffered due to covid. I think Gamefreak intended to begin development on BDSP in 2020 with the cloud storage system because they figure they would be done with Legends. However, covid changed how fast they were progressing with the development of Legends thus resorting them to outsourcing the games to ILCA.
One of the best comments I've seen
You still never explained why they had to cut so many items that were important to the competitive scene. Megastones aside. Where’s eviolite, assault vest, blunder policy, heavy boots, and many many more. Even remakes in the past included every new item that was added in generations before. Also why are tms not permanent?
@@SoggySlopster The two reasons I can come up with for why BDSP did not include new competitive items are that; Junichi Masuda was the co-director, and Sword and Shield did not have an official Worlds tournament until this year. As implied before Junichi Masuda's game design for Pokemon focuses on the casual aspects of pokemon games. In terms of competitive aspects of Pokemon game design, Junichi Masuda tends to stay clear from it. He probably felt that adding those new items, did not benefit the casual demographic from a gameplay design so decided not to implement them into the game. The only reason I can see why he implemented mints, ability patches/capsules, was to allow the casual demographic to change their play-through team to beneficial natures and abilities (if they did not already have one) to make the battle tower easier for them. For the second reason, you must remember due to covid the Pokemon company had to cancel Sword and Sheild worlds for 2020 and 2021. From a business perspective when you include the fact that gen 9 is releasing in 2022 and your mainline games for gen 8 still haven’t had a world event and the best shot for one is 2022, a company is less likely to care about adding in more competitive depth to a game that will not have any room to fit in their current roadmap they have laid out for their business.
It should also be noted as of Gen 8 Gamefreak has decided that not every Pokemon and move will be available in upcoming games therefore games will not be able to interact through battles and trade with each other since they will not have the same movepools, and Pokemon available to them. In the remakes before BDSP, this was not the case and the remakes had to make sure they were able to interact with the new items and moves added from the generation they were remade in. After all, they had to be able to trade and battle with the main line game of that generation they were remade in. This is not the case for BDSP since it can not trade or battle with Sword and Sheild so they don’t have any incentive to make the items or moves playable in the game.
The reason why TM's are not permanent is a combination of two things. The first one is in Sword and Sheild they introduce TR’s. These are items that acted like how TM's did from gen 1 to 4 and BDSP. They were made as a way to incentivize people to do the Max Raid Battles in Sword and Sheild. The second one is for BDSP they wanted to add more to incentivize people to use the mining feature of the grand underground. They figure that since the original D/P TM's basically acted like TR’s they could do a similar concept for the Grand Underground as Sword and Sheild did with incentivizing players to do Max Raid Battles. So they made it where in BDSP you can dig for spheres and trade them for TM's.
I'm really glad to see a video talking about the game still. With how fast new games come out lately, it's easy for them to just get dropped lol. I really like BDSP, while acknowledging its flaws. I'm actually shiny hunting Cresselia in SP right now haha
good luck, last week i got a shiny arceus
Thank you! I found shiny Arceus myself pretty quickly, at 1146 encounters. Cresselia still hasn't shown up at 7740 encounters so far 😅
Hopefully she won't evade me too much longer. Congrats on your Arceus btw!
I'm still baffled that they still didn't have the Exp Share an option to turn it off. 🤦♂️
For me, it’s because I wanted the same, but altered experience that the Hoenn and Kanto 3D games had. I wanted some kind of added lore, and twist to the og story, and for the game to go the Platinum route as far as story with Dialga and Palkia still being the main legendaries, but with a Platinum episode, and characters (like Barry) and some little things like how Platinum, the elite 4 had cool looking rooms. Instead, the remakes took out nearly all multiplayer features like making poffins, capture the flag, Wi-Fi Plaza and even the Battle Tower multiplayer mode, and didn’t really add anything new like letting you pet or play with your Pokémon. Imo, literally adding the Wi-Fi plaza, capture the flag, or the Villa or Battle Frontier from Pokémon platinum would of made the game more enjoyable, but the remake is just very lackluster, and I’m sure there are other things I forgot to mention that I have a problem with. I will say though that I don’t mind the graphics with the chibi, the gym and elite 4 rematches are great and challenging, customization for our character is always a great thing to have and the in game battle models are really nice for sure. Overall, I just think the remakes are meh. I really wish GameFreak themselves would’ve done the remake so we get get an altered story. I just feel like Sinnoh fans got the short end of the stick with all the wishlist hopes and things we wanted only to get done dirty. If anything, remaking Platinum without removing anything would’ve been a much better choice
wow! i remember seeing u with 100 subs
im glad more ppl are watching u
Yeah it’s been a crazy ride the past couple weeks. I’m very grateful
@@GameSmith45 wow! Now you are so close to 1k subs!!
even without comparing it to platinum, its just majorly lacking in polish. theres some subtle things that bother me, like collision eating your momentum, or encounter rates being too high, and the transition animation into a wild battle switching between being too sudden that it looks like a glitch, and holding my character in place for nearly 2 whole seconds before shoving me into a battle. on top of that, the thought of not comparing it to other games in the series feels weird, and the only time i've heard people say that as a defense for games that weren't very good to begin with.
I think, to put it bluntly, when looking at what GameFreak has produced when it comes to revisiting regions that haven’t been reintroduced before, people wanted much more than what BDSP gave them.
BDSP only managed to give players a top-down, redrawn experience from the arguably inferior version of the games, but other revisits like ORAS and HG/SS had much more content and renewed interest in the region’s features.
Admittedly, we probably only got what we got because of Legends: Arceus, but I still think people were hoping for a more fleshed out experience: we got crazy camera angles in the Sun and Moon era that made the series more cinematic, we got more fleshed out cutscenes starting in the BW era, but none of these additions are prevalent in revisiting Sinnoh. Sounds like a wholly missed opportunity.
BDSP corrected many things that made the Sinnoh of old difficult to traverse, making for an overall smoother gameplay experience for casuals. But here’s the thing: Platinum did the same exact thing back in the day. Faster speed, more variety in the Pokédex before post game, a more fleshed-out story, more balanced teams for enemy trainers. Sure, HMs are a pain, but it was a small price to pay, and many people considered Platinum to be the definitive way to experience Gen 4 for the longest time.
The point is, BDSP already had a solid foundation to go off of for a Gen 4 remake, but instead the developers decided to double back on the changes made in Platinum in favor of making adjustments to the base D&P games. Wasted potential doesn’t even begin to describe this situation. You can argue that it’s more faithful that way, but in reality it feels that for every step they take forward in one area, they take two steps back somewhere else. The devs already imported the Platinum teams for gym leaders and Elite Four members for their rematches; what was stopping them from including them from the start? Personally, I would rather be blindsided by Pokémon I had never seen before if it means Flint could be a proper Fire type specialist instead of having…whatever his team is in the base game. I can understand Drifbloom because hot air balloons and Steelix because it’s metal like Flint’s name, but Lopunny? Really? Is it because they both have fluffy hair?
It's because Lopunny is supposed to be "hot". Which is...certainly a weird joke to put in a kid's game, not going to lie. They were really desperate with how they screwed up the amount of fire Pokemon in the region.
@GameSmith45 I think it’s not very surprisingly that you enjoy the game but it’s funny at the same time for one reason. I heard from some people who picked up Pokémon after a long time that they liked the game. Most of them didn’t played Gen 5, 6, 7 or 8 and returned to Pokémon. And I can totally understand that they are impressed by the graphics, new items like mints, that you can use your pc everywhere or that you don’t need HMS anymore, which is definitely an improvement. Now here is why I think it’s funny: GF labeled it as „faithful“ hoping a lot of there loyal fans would buy it for nostalgia reasons (what we did lol) but most of those fans played Gen 5-8. We already know this features and I personally like Gen 6 for the Fairy type or that gen 7 get rid of HMS or that SwSh hat Mints but we all KNOW this stuff and liked different Games for it. If you watch it from that perspective BDSP has not really anything to offer for people who played the games since Gen 4. So in conclusion: it’s a great game for people who haven’t picked up Pokémon in a long time because it’s fun for them to see all the new features but it’s definitely not very enjoyable for fans who are familiar with those features because BDSP ads nothing positive or new to Gen 4 or to Pokémon in general.
For someone who hasn't fully played through a game since gen 2, obviously the differences between then and now would be a big deal for someone coming back. 😂So I can see where you're coming from on that, and if you enjoyed them, that's great.
For people who have been following Pokemon for a while, though, BDSP just felt like a step backwards. When ORAS came out it was a major overhaul to the Hoenn region, and brought in all the updates from the current generation at the time. The story was tweaked to feature Mega Evolution, the characters all got major updates to their designs/writing, graphics matched the current gen's best, etc. So, it's like you said, people were expecting BDSP to do the same and bring in all the updates from gen 8. We've had full-body models in the main series since 2016, but now we're going back to chibis? None of the character designs or dialogues have been expanded on? (Call me shallow but one of the things I was really looking forward to was seeing new outfit designs for old characters haha)nIt just felt like they did the bare minimum to shut up all the people who had been screaming for Sinnoh remakes since 2016 (and tbf, those guys were getting really annoying. But I still don't think this was the proper answer). Heck, I remember before they were released, people were wondering if QoL updates from gens 5-8 would even be included in the game (like Fairies and No HMs) because that's how much of a step backwards it felt like to us. And this isn't even mentioning the host of glitches and other technical issues.
With every new release, I think it's natural for fans to expect that it will be better than the last game. So we wanted it to be a step forward from Sword and Shield, but it went backward instead. I'm glad we at least got Legend Arceus as the real step forward, but that just makes BDSP seem even more pointless by comparison.
So, uh...yeah, I guess it really is just a lot of expectations, like you said. But even if we judge the game for what it is, it's essentially just DP again. Unlike ORAS, it's not a completely new experience that justifies its price tag. This story already exists exactly the exact same way in a previous game. These QoL improvements have already been happening in previous gens. I wouldn't recommend BDSP to anyone unless they've literally never touched a Sinnoh game before, or no longer have access to one, because I seriously can't justify spending $60 just to play DP again but with a slightly shinier coat of paint. 😂
I think you truly cracked what exactly was wrong with these games. I think the biggest concern for me is what BW remakes will be like
I think no matter how BW remakes get made it will be disappointing. Unless they lean even harder into the original graphics and make it look like Octopath Traveler.
With how amazing the Sinnoh games where it wasn't crazy to see the huge jump in quality with older remakes that had become a standard and go think that something that we would be playing for decades would come out of one of the most beloved Pokémon games ever. For us it shouldn't have had to be an argument over which was better. BDSP was going to bring tears into our eyes as we saw Sinnoh brought back to life like never before. The idea of a "Faithful Remake" Truly dammed BDSP to a terrible fate instead of being critically acclaimed by old and new fans alike we got a game that's just "Good" Or arguably "Mediocre" and after so much waiting and praying it hurts me and probably many others to even look at BDSP. We can only and will ever see a huge example of what could have been. I hope many people are brought into the series by these games but for those who experienced the originals it's a sad tale of how we got possibly the best Pokémon game of all time ripped away from us and were left with only a husk of its nearly limitless potential.
Hoped you liked my essay on the missed potential of BDSP and how it ruins it for so many.
I think they should of had magas that would of helped the game a bit
Platinum was for all intended purposes the "patch" to diamond and pearl. Each third game in each gen was. This is why they stopped releasing third games when online updates became avaliable.
I see BDSP as a 3D virtual console of DP, which sounds fine on paper but it’s platinum that’s the fan favourite of the three. Also weird how they picked and chose what they would keep faithful to the original DP, non renewable TMs is faithful but EXP share being on with no option to turn it off is unfaithful.
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So you truly understand how it feels, I refuse to give BDSP a try cause when i was 16 i absolutely wanted that Gen 4 remake. Even if it was in Gen 7 or 8s engine, i just wanted to see Diamond, Pearl or Platinum be remade and built upon for newer players to experience.
It's sad, truly, I've been with this series for years, and i still give the games a try one way or another but BDSP didn't feel like it was worth my time so i played Legends Arceus which i enjoyed way more.
I appreciate your thoughts on Platinum cause I hold a lot of love for that game, i owned that game on 6 separate occasions throughout my life and always thought it was such a fun game to travel through despite its constant use of HMs.
Maybe someday I'll give BDSP a try, whenever i get over this bitter feeling -w-;
Anyone want to bet that a lot of people would make a petition for the Black And White Remakes/Sequels to not be like BDSP and be more like Pokemon Legends Arceus and Pokemon Scarlet & Violet especially the Open-World concept? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I hope they make absolute editions, not Eevee/Pikachu but pure YELLOW. Then Pure EMERALD. PLATINUM. BLACK/ WHITE 2, ULTRA MOON/SUN just pure faithful remakes with quality of life and all the special features and updated Pokédex bonus content etcetera. For the fans edition not for the meeting time-line edition.
well, during the release of BDSP, since I dont own a switch yet, I decided to play Diamond for the first time, left midway through, before the 6th gym and forgot about it.
your video on platinum sparked me to actually give the sinnho region a new chance and have been enjoying it a lot actually
damn. you’re so chill and very neutral. You see both sides of the arguments and that’s pretty cool
Thank you! I really do try to be as unbiased as possible and just give my honest opinion. Some people have pretty strong opinions about all this stuff though lol
I only played red, blue, yellow, pearl, soul silver. That was it. on repeat. I only recently decided to go back and go through all of them, get the gba ones on 3ds while you can.
Bad graphics, bad controls, bad audio quality and CHEAP gameplay makes BDSP the worst Pokemon game i've ever played
People like have been complaining about this stuff since original Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, Pokemon Black/White , and even more in Pokemon X/Y games.
Ps. If you would complain about the high price of those games I would agree with you 100% in this topic.
I'm glad I helped make your assessment more thorough. These games were just a misfire in execution for so many reasons.
I just like bdsp, my fav of any of the modern games and more approachable then most to.
What I think you may be missing is that it's well established that BDSP contains much of the same code as the original Diamond and Pearl. Old glitches are able to be done in the exact same way through the exact same means. Much of the game was ported rather than remade, which gives the game an overall sense of cheapness compared to FRLG and HGSS. Additionally, I think it's incorrect to say that the Pokemon Company was rushing this game's development due to Legends Arceus when this was a remake that was outsourced to a separate development studio. GameFreak were not the ones who worked on BDSP, at least not as the primary development team. So you had an inexperienced development team that ported over an older game without doing much to update it to the standards of the much beloved Platinum and I think it becomes clear why so many didn't like the end result.
I think the main issue lies with how recent remakes or remaster were handled 🤔 oras hgss and even frlg all had extra content that either was in the 3rd game of the base gen or just straight up new as for fire red and leaf green case. This is literally the first remake that didn't really do that
The main problem with Fairy types isn't that it exists but the fact that it's broken and far worse than the Dragon types they were supposed to balance. They should've given it weaknesses to Ice and Bug, two types that needed a buff while they didn't need one of its weaknesses to be Steel which is another OP type.
They genuinely should have just made Ice resist Dragon moves and otherwise buffed it to be a better counter. I like the fairy type, but in practice it feels like it was purely implemented to arbitrarily hit certain strong types they couldn't be bothered to rebalance.(And I guess also to give Steel some super effective-utility, even tho that was never the point of the steel type, it was to be a tank.)
After Platinum I never touched my copy of Pearl again and playing BDSP made me realize how much Platinum changed from it for the better.
I'm not one to complain about perma EXP Share much because I don't have many issues with it but this was a remake of a game that wasn't made with perma exp in mind and topped with the forced affection boosts is what really killed it for me. I don't hate the game, but I am very disappointed with it. Which I almost never say about games I play, ESPECIALLY Pokemon. Part of me feels bad too cause my copy was a gift from a friend because he didn't want me to feel excluded cause I was the only one in the group that was waiting to get it
1 thing I will give BDSP credit for is it's Elite Four
7:02 bruh you said you stopped playing after GEN 2. how the fuck did you struggle with dragon types . gen 2 only had 2 final evo dragon types.
Amazing reference with the Good Will Hunting clip btw 😂😂
Thank you! Glad you liked it
It looks like a Chinese mobile port that blatantly copies the OG dpp, not saying it’s a bad game just saying they could have done better with it like gamefreak did with legends of Arceus
Gen 4 was my favorite gen by far. BDSP is a giant stain on the gen and the franchise as a whole. They outsourced the remakes to some literal who random company that only makes mobile phone games. That company then makes literal direct ports but worse, with an absolutely terrible art style, no real changes to any aspect of the game other than the removal of some aspects and details, and absolutely no upgrades or positive changes at all that are the norm for Pokemon remakes.
BDSP aren't a remake - they're a _de-make,_ a _downgrade,_ an _objectively worse experience_ than the original DPPt.
I like to thank the youtube algorithm for introducing me to your channel with your in-depth analysis of the pokemon game. Now as for my reaction. I've been playing pokemon since Pokemon Yellow and I stopped playing pokemon after playing the fourth generation due to life. When I finally got my switched on my birthday back in February 2023, the first thing I've bought was BDSP. I was VERY happy to return to playing videogames after all these years let alone my favorite region tied with the Jhoto region. I owned Platinum and I already finished that game back in January. The game felt a bit easier overall due to all the pokemon having experience share now. However I did enjoy the Elite Four and it was difficult if played on the same levels. I am a bit disappointed when it comes to the features for the Post-Game. They could of added the stories from DPPT. I'll still play my Pokemon Shining Pearl because it is my favorite region and I want to transfer specific pokemon from my GBA games and DS games to the recent games with the help of my friend's Nintendo 3DS. They could of done a lot better. I'm a Jhoto and Sinnoh person. I hope that the remakes for Black & White will be a lot better and the management for GF will not dissappoint the generation that loves the Unova region and so forth. My only hope will be a Let's Go Platinum in almost another decade later. Thank you for your in-depth and have a fantastic day!
Thank you for that! Made my night
I did enjoy these games, especially the elite four and Cynthia. However, some of the features did make the rest of the games too easy. While the important trainers did mostly have good strategies, stuff like the overlevelling and affection took the challenge out of their battles. Also some of the better features of platinum which were not included in diamond and pearl were kept in these remakes. For example no distortion world and the expanded pokedex. While you could get some Pokemon from the platinum dex in the hideaways, the overworld trainers don’t use them at all. You can only find them in the hideaways as well, not in the wild. Some QoL features should’ve been in the game too, like unlimited TMs. Thankfully when you get them from gym leaders and random trainers you do get more than one of them but when you find them as items in the wild you get just one. And I am SO glad they didn’t include HMs.
It’s a shame that Boring Diamond and Soulless Pearl were the Pokémon games that brought you back to this franchise. Tbh, I was less upset with BDSP than many others because I knew I wasn’t going to buy it anyway since Legends Arceus was releasing a couple months later, which was well worth the wait
Pokemon franchise as a whole is boring a soulless now, too much hand holding and shitty designs, but it's gamefreak so it's expected
I don’t hate the game, truly enjoyed it… Would have loved and felt like a huge missed opportunity for Sinnoh Mega evolution
i think it would be a lot easier to see why we dislike bdsp if u played the previous remakes in the franchise. i can see how someone who hasn’t played pokémon since gen 2 would find bdsp inoffensive, but it’s mediocrity really starts to show when u compare it to even the last remakes (omega ruby/alpha sapphire.) it’s just very lazy, lackluster and phoned in compared to previous remakes and pokémon games in general. it has a laughable amount of extra content and the graphics are just really.. interesting. the chibi artstyle worked great on the DS but bringing it into 3D just makes it look awkward. BDSP would have looked so much better in the style of the let’s go games. basically with all past remakes (FR/LG, HG/SS, OR/AS) they end up being the definitive way to experience that generation by a long shot. this is the first time that a remake has come out where the majority of long term pokémon fans believe the original is a better experience. a lot of the features that u bring up as things u like about bdsp, are mainstay features for the franchise now. so BDSP having no hms/exp share/rebattling isn’t innovative, it’s the bare minimum for the series at this point so no one is impressed by these games having it. these features weren’t brought to the table by BDSP, they’re features that were brought to the table up to a decade ago.i honestly think u should play some other pokémon remakes like OR/AS (the last remake in the franchise) so u can get a sense of why dedicated fans are so disappointed with BDSP
Yeah I think that's a good idea. Would be fun to compare them all after playing them.
BDSP are not only worse than Platinum, but also worse than Diamond and Pearl.
I think, at the end of the day, what hurts the most about BDSP is that these games were even allowed to exist. The majority of the code for BDSP is literally DP’s original code ported over, the only real changes were graphics and a few tweaks here and there to get it technically up to standard with the newer titles. It hurts to know that the people handling these games thought that this was an acceptable practice without any respect for the original games, and it hurts to know that Game Freak looked at this and gave it the green light anyway. People can argue all they want over which is better, but I think we can all agree that it’s utterly despicable that these games were made and distributed to us in the shoddy, loveless way that they were.
I actually enjoyed playing through BDSP, but that's not the primary reason why I bought it. I bought it to have awesome competetive Wi-Fi battles with other trainers with Pokémon that I bred in the game or transferred. This was impossible unfortunatley, due to the lack of infinite tms, and the grinding you have to do to get more of the key tms like earthquake from the battle tower. Because of this, I could only train up about a box of competetive mons, and when I thought pokmeon Home would save the day, it would reset all the moves of pokemon that I transferred. So basically a huge slap in the face to the concept of competitive battling, although I suppose it brings it closer to a true "remake" as back in the day people didn't really train pokemon for competetive, they mainly genned/savd them in, so I guess it makes sense.
Dang the resetting moves is a punch to the gut. I feel for you!
I did enjoy revisiting Sinnoh, but after that, there wasn’t really much left I wanted to do. Shiny hunt? Shield and PLA. BP grinding? Shield. Battling? Shield. Just had little reason to really go back. Only parts I do really enjoy is being able to get legal Shiny mythical Pokémon. Plus I played Diamond and Platinum back when they came out, so not much was truly new for me (plus some design choices were just dumb).
I had fun with BDSP, but I was hoping the E4 would have beefed up Platinum teams for rematches, that the Battle Frontier was there, amd that areas had the look of Platinum (Eterna Forest being cloudy, Mt. Coronet having a dark blue fog, etc.).
Addition: I'm ok with faries, but I feel like they need another weakness. They're basically the new dragons. Fire resists fairy, oddly enough, so why not make that a weakness?
The biggest issue is BDSP is missing QOL features that even older games (like XY or Sun Moon) had.
QOL?
it's sad that people mod and do rom hacks, that are so much more enjoyable than what game freak puts out. I just wish they would legit listen to fans. Hire these people who are making the best fan projects.
Platinum is badass but i like BDSP too. I know its not Platinum, but thats alright.
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@@GameSmith45 nice analysis. I enjoy the games as they are i know it was missed potential but that makes me appreciate old games like Platinum more.
Gen 4 is actually my least favourite of the original 5, in terms of story/game. It does have some of my favourite mons of coursel/best designs in general. I'm just old now and when gen 4 dropped I was approaching 16 so I didn't have the love for the games I did before. It didn't grab me. Enjoyed the remake but yeah, would have liked more content. I hated gen 5 upon release based on the new roster alone but the story & graphics were great! Not too fussed on anything past gen 5. I just play them and that's that.
Enjoy it for what it is, that's exactly how I approached BDSP and have enjoyed it a lot. Heck I am still playing Brilliant Diamond. If you don't expect anything, then you'll never be disappointed.
I didn’t know that the inclusion of Fairy type Pokémon was a bug for some people! (It’s a feature for me!) Were they hoping for literal remakes, with only changes to the touchpad portions of the game?
Personally i liked bdsp, i do think platinum has some good things however bdsp does have some quality of life changes like an exp share that spreads to all and easier ways to make competitive teams, better shiny odds and i like chibis because i like LOZ links awakening
I think the Chibis are decent, it's how poorly the game plays such as being caught on random corners I'm not even touching etc
There's some good things about it like Grand Underground remixing teams, tough rematches and I kinda like the graphics.
My problem with BDSP though, what does it actually add to the Pokemon series?
The best parts of gen 8 (exploring in 3D, Pokemon Camp, Raid Battles, PokeJobs) are not here. The overworld Pokemon are almost completely locked to the grand underground unlike SwSH Let's Go and Legends which have full overworld encounters. Follow Pokemon have a few cute animations (metagross golem and shaymin) but a shocking amount of them just don't work or look poor like Ekans Milotic and Dialga. Pokemon are almost never to scale in this game which given that it's a 1:1 remake is surprising as Let's Go was fully able to do it so they already have at least 151/493 Pokemon scaled properly and the technical prowess to make their sizes proper.
HGSS and ORAS allowed you to get Pokemon from beyond the original 251 and 389 in those games whereas BDSP locks you to 493. Bringing some of the modern Pokemon back to Sinnoh would have made the remakes exciting as leaders and elites could have used them in their rematch teams. Not to mention, Ramanas Park is completely overshadowed by Dynamax Adventures in Crown Tundra which has more legendaries for you to catch, so why bother with Ramanas as it only has gens 1-4?
A big part of this remake is they're 'faithful' so no one should expect Platinum's content, but they are very inconsistent in what this means. Why get rid of HMs but undo the infinite TMs from gen 5? I don't want to trade 80BP for another Earthquake TM.
Why have breeding times doubled again when SwSh halved them making competitive breeding more difficult? Why do the battles now have a system that allows you to escape from situations using affection when the originals didn't? Contests are changed and secret bases are removed which isn't faithful. Why not just return normal secret bases and give people an extra room for their statues? This isn't authentic or faithful to the originals.
Also having the Platinum content would've made the game better. If the Frontier was too grindy or difficult, you could've made it easier to get competitive mons or made it like SwSh where you don't lose your entire streak by losing a battle.
Not to mention, BDSP launched in a very faulty state. BDSP is not Cyberpunk or Skyrim: it's a remake of an existing game in the Unity engine, so how could it possibly be launched in such a state? Have you ever heard of a DS remake launching with horrible glitches and issues? How did it take so long for Home Compatibility and GTS?
People say BDSP is just like HGSS, but HGSS reimagined a lot of the environments and made the game more immersive. A lot of buildings and cities got new details and improved art direction whereas BDSP just does the DS stuff again.
In GSC you surf into a cave and find a little sprite that's meant Lugia while in HGSS he soars out from behind a waterfall after the Kimono Girls help you summon him. Ho-Oh's summit is redesigned and there are new tracks for their battles. BDSP has no improvements in that regard, everything is as you remember. Plus HGSS had a lot of content (sadly locked behind WiFi events) that BDSP wishes it had.
Not being able to turn the exp share off was incredibly frustrating. I shiny hunted a lot in the early game. By the time I reached the third gym, all of my Pokémon were over level 40. It was so utterly ridiculous I quit the game.
The only new thing bdsp brought to the table is the affection mechanic which even you admit is terrible. Everything else already existed in better games. Bdsp have no saving grace
I've never played Platinum, but I've read that it underwent several upgrades and fixes after Diamond and Pearl. And in addition to that, Distortion World and Battle Frontier were added to Platinum, which Diamond and Pearl didn't have.
Where's distortion world? Where's TOXIC, Where's traps in the underground, where is SYLVEON, where is the battle frontier, and where TF is the mega stones?!?!?!
I just bought both games for 75 I am actually happy as I agree this isn’t a bad game but the fact it retails for 119 I’m really happy
Game Freak has to tell Nintendo and the Pokemon company that they need help with development of further Pokemon games as the "Dexit" fiasco showed the problems with the very tight and strict development time. They gave a new developer a chance with BDSP but ILCA clearly did not have enough experience.
Platinum is my favourite all time game and I really loved what they did here.. I never did mind the kinks and stuff.
Platinum was the game that made gen 4 my favorite generation growing up, and BDSP managed to disappoint me despite my expectations being lowered with every trailer. I tried to enjoy the game for what it was, but I couldn't even make it past the second gym, because it felt like I was just mashing the A button, mindlessly through each encounter with little thought. If they're gonna make exp share the default feature, than they should at least balance the experience curve around it, or better yet, add difficulty settings like they did in gen 5, just better than they were in gen 5 because the difficulties be version exclusive, and also having to unlock an easy mode made absolutely zero sense. Really, very little about the way these games came out made sense, and yes, my extreme disdain for them was the fact that we will likely never get a proper remake of these games in the future. RomHacks are the only salvation.
Also, anyone who was upset or surprised at the addition of Fairy types was on druggies because their inclusion was a given, like how Magnemite was steel in FRLG, and how the fairy type was present in ORAS. Fairy is a very strong type, yes, but I'd take it over dragon any day simply because they give some offensive relevancy to types like steel and poison and they also lack the crazy BSTs that most dragons had.
I would like to hear you opinion on Pokemon Black/White. Since you didn‘t play that gen and it was my first gen.😂 Like a little series with all gens.
That's not a bad idea. I plan on going through the older gens and doing some videos on them.
As someone who grew up playing PEARL and has never touched Platnium at ALL (So I don't even have bias from Platnium's exclusives), I can conclude that BDSP was dissapointing.
When I started my playthrough, I wanted a cool team due to me wanting to not be destroyed by Cynthia (Because people decided to tell me about it before I even played it...)
So, when I was starting off? I had pretty much only a Grotle to take on all of Mars and such. It was exciting, having to use Curse, synthesis spamming through the zubat and barely beating Purugly by the skin of my teeth.
...that was one of the last times I had a challenge. By the time I reached the second gym, I found out you can find wild HOUNDOOMS in the Underground which trivialized Gardenia.
Then by the 3rd gym, I had a Torterra... a TORTERRA.
By the time I got to the League, I still tried my best to say "Alright, calm down. The league'll push me. It has to!"
Well... near clean sweeps with one mon each time. Only one who actually made me work for it was Cynthia... but as someone who beated Pearl, I already knew the team and could prep for counters easily; Especially Garchomp.
- Gyarados with Intimidate and is Immune to Earthquake.
- Gardevoir with Fairy moves and immune to Outrage.
- Froslass with Ice Moves once weakened and Will-O-Wisp.
- Lucario for Poison Jab immunity, speed and power.
- Torterra for just general bulk and Strong Attacks.
- Houndoom for strong Special Attacks.
It was still awesome I beat Cynthia first try, and I'm glad I got to try mons I was less capable of using before due to availability...
However, Even then. I still wasn't as happy with the game.
As I said. Mars was the only challenge I had; not even the gym leaders were really tough. And seeing them not re-designed felt like a gut punch.
Seeing what they could've done with remaking the battle frontier to bring the facilities to the modern era... would have been amazing.
And finally, they decide to shove a bunch of legendaries into one area for reasons unknown and making us underground to get it. The only benefit they get here is that we're allowed to get Regigigas and Arceus without events. That's it.
...so sorry for the essay, but TLDR; As someone who never played Platinum and only played Pearl, the modern inclusions break this game a lot and the only hard parts were unintentionally caused by myself.
I feel glad that Legends made me actually feel happy, otherwise we wouldn't shut up about this for years.
I don't hate it but it could have been way better if given the time.