In regards to Zinnia's refusal to allow Steven's plan go ahead in the Delta Episode, the reason isn't because the energy is Pokémon life energy (it's actually Pokémon EVOLUTION energy), but because their plan is to use a LINK CABLE (yes, as in the GBA Link Cable) to teleport the meteor to another universe so it doesn't hit their planet. The technology for Link Cable trades is said to produce wormholes to other worlds, which is how Trading works for players. You trade with another universe, that being someone else's Save File. Zinnia's opposal to the plan is simple; she doesn't want to make the meteor another Earth's problem in case it ends up being sent to "a Hoenn without Mega Evolution, one where the Ultimate Weapon was never fired", aka a Hoenn of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald.
Maybe this is why we see Deoxys in FireRed/LeafGreen at Birth Island since if we’re talking about wormholes, there may be an alternate universe where we did go with Steven’s plan, and the meteor hit Kanto!
I was going to comment the same thing! When I played the Delta episode I was shock when they confirm that the remakes are alternate universes and they do expand that in Sun & Moon also Ultra Sun & Moon. R/S/E take place at the same time of FR/LF then D/P/PT with HG/SS take place at the same time but 3 years after Hoenn and Kanto, then Unova. However X/Y seems to be an alternate universe where X/Y take place at the same universe with ORAS and S/M. After that no one knows what universe does US/UM, S/W, S/V take place.
While I agree that having a battery sucks for Emerald and Ruby/Sapphire. In these games the battery is no longer used to keep save files. Instead they are used for time based events and for randomness to some degree if you look up shiny hunting in Emerald you will be able to learn more on the randomness.
@@miloticas2795 The effect on RNG is really small in a normal playthrough it basically doesn't matter if your battery is dead. It really only matters if you are resetting back to a save over and over again. For example saving infront of Kyogre and resetting back to the save to find a shiny Kyogre. Also in emerald the battery doesn't change the RNG at all it has a bug where it always treats the battery as dead for RNG.
And to be fair on the battery, my battery just ran out last year.. I had the game since launch. A 17 years is pretty decent for a battery (however, I'm not sure on how it compares to the average)
Emerald and Fire Red was my first introduction to Pokemon Games. Emerald being my first game. I recently purchased Emerald to feel that nostalgia again! ORAS was an excellent remake and probably has more content for a more enjoyable game. But if you played Emerald and the original games as a kid, it just holds a little more weight for me
Hey only the Gameboy Pokemon games use the batteries to save. On the gba it's just for time based events, and it also breaks the rng in emerald but not in a noticeable way to most players. Just with shinys. Video was great and I really enjoyed it, can't wait to see you upload again!
@@pabloallende1914 it is definitely possible, just that the way shinies work, you could figure out exactly after how many seconds you need to encounter something for it to always 100% be shiny. Its fully dependant on your save file basically. And so it is possible that you try to hunt a shiny but your shiny frame is 3 hours in and you'll never see that shiny because you'd have to wait 3 hours per reset to hit the right frame
One point I feel is missing is Sky Pillar. The bike challenge in Emerald I thought was a lot of fun. Very frustrating to do as a kid, but I remember it fondly. ORAS had it visually redesigned with interesting murals, but its just a linear path with no challenge. I miss the old bike challenge, but I won't lie that it visually was pretty bland in Emerald.
I can't believe I'm not the only person who wanted a point awarded just for the sky pillar bike challenge! I would include the Wallace walking puzzle in the 8th gym too personally, Emerald had a lot of fun with its movement puzzles.
The bike challenge is literally just poor design, im sorry but nothing about it is a positive and replacing it with a beautiful story location is 100% an improvement
@@zjzr08yeah right after you beat Wallace Steven will always be sitting in the back of meteor falls. 2nd strongest trainer other then red I believe as well since he has level 70s
You rewarded one point to ORAS because of Emerald's battery problem. While I agree it's also worth mentioning that the first releases of ORAS had faulty cartridges where the game would just stop working after some time. It won't start anymore. My OR cartridge suffered from this :/ (which is also why I now have custom firmware on my 3ds to enjoy it again)
Wait, what? I'm going to be so mad if my copy no longer works. I recently got the idea that I wanted to try finding a perfect Ralts for fun... Well, "fun."
The best thing of the ORAS Soundtrack, is that some tracks reference the old soundtrack from the GBA era. For example, the intro cutscene in ORAS start exactly like the GBA version, graphics and all, before hopping to the 3DS graphics and musics. Another example is the battle against Primal Groundon or Kyogre. The music keeps jumping from the bit version from the GBA to the new version of the 3DS.
Considering you mentioned the decade of quality of life updates, I wouldn't have given points for stuff like Physical/Special split (added in Generation 4), infinite use TMs (added Generation 5), and Pokemon Amie and Fairy Type (rollover from X/Y) since those were things under that innovation rather than actual new features. Similarly, it's strange to count the battery and music when you said you weren't considering hardware specifications. There are good original songs, but listening a bit more critically to the remixes will show that a lot of them are closer to remasters that coast on the buffed sample quality and use of drum fills rather than any drastic changes to the arrangement itself. You actually can share your Secret Base with someone in Emerald, but you have to use one of the Cable Club facilities for it (Record Mixing) rather than just passively doing so via Streetpass. Surprised there weren't any points awarded for either version of Mauville, since Emerald had the Game Corner and the New Mauville dungeon, but OR/AS has some new shops and another battle facility borrowed from X/Y that has a decent gimmick and rewards players with useful resources.
It's indeed strange and unfair to give points for keeping innovations that were made between those games and kinda make the comparison pointless if you don't want to make the comparison anachronistic ("Emerald no internet connection? - bad" etc)
Emerald had the ability to share secret bases. I don't remember how if it was after battling them once or trading but your friends base would appear in your game where they have it located in theirs.
yea i think its about trading records in the upstairs section of the Pokemon center, you can even use it to level up your mons to whoever has a Blissey in their team.
This. My brother and I would regularly do "secret base hide and seek" and basically try to find the most obscure spot ever to put our bases and then race each other to find them.
I spent the most time in oras than any other pokemon game. The shiny hunting mechanics were so good. From the Dex Nav, horde hunting, chain fishing masuda. Mirage islands were so good too, truly amazing remake.
- I don't think there is anything that is stopping you in Emerald from trading with any of the other gen 3 games before you beat the league, so you can trade with colosseum, FR or LG to get pretty much any gen 1 or 2 pokemon to use. - While the dex nav is a cool feature for completing your pokedex and building a competetive team, it is also absurdly broken, especially since you get it almost as soon as you start the game. The fact that you are able to get something like a tailow with brave bird and boom burst, surskit with hydro pump, shroomish with drain punch and seed bomb, all before the first gym is absurd. - ORAS did also cut the Game Corner. while we all know why The Game Corner has been cut since gen 4, it is still a feature that Emerald has, that ORAS does not. - As other people has pointed out, the emerald battery has nothing to do with your save game, so if it dies, only time based events affected. - Next year, the 3ds eshop and online services will go offline, this means that online functionality like battling and wondertrade will no longer work with ORAS. It also means that you won't be able to download the post release patches that the game got that fixed numerous bugs, one of them being that the game could freeze after entering the hall of fame. - While the physical special split is overall a good thing for the franchise. I am gonna be honest and say that it is not that big of a deal on RSE. The only 2 pokemon that gets really screwed by it that i can think of is Mightyena, Absol and maybe Azumarill. The others that people like to bring up in gen 3 like Sharpedo, Crawdaunt still has a very respectable 95/90 special attack and can therefore run a very effective mixed set. Furthermore something i feel almost no one talks about is the pokemon that got hurt by the physical special split, because believe it or not, there are actualy some pokemon that did not enjoy the physical special split very much at all. For example, Crobat lost access to physical sludge bomb, and now has to use the much worse cross poison. Muk, since the TM for poison jab can only be gotten from random mirage spots, you will not reliably get a physical poison attack before level 49 in gunk shot, while in emerald it gets both sludge and sludge bomb from level up. Dusknoir, the best physical ghost type attack it gets in gen 6 is base 60 power Shadow Punch. Sceptile, while this is not that important for a regular playtrough, Sceptile lost basically all of its special coverage moves like Thunder Punch and Crunch, meaning that if you want to use a non mega sceptile, using it as a physical attacker is probably the better option, because its special movepool is horrible. One thing i also would like to point out in Emerald and the rest of the gen 3 games, is how much easier they are to replay over ORAS. Almost only because the gen 3 engine is just so much quicker then the gen 6 engine. Emerald has quicker battles, quicker animations, less loading time before and after entering battles. ORAS also added a bunch of loading zones in the overworld where in Emerald there previously was none. Emerald also has less unskippable cutscenes, which again slows down everything. Just because of this, if i would like to play trough a Hoenn game, i would even choose Ruby and Sapphire before i choose ORAS
There are limitations for trading over pokemon not in hoenn (That being the 202 pokemon that make up the hoenn dex). Until you get the national dex upgrade after becoming the champion, you'll get obscure messages when trying to trade over pokemon like Slowbro or Murkrow, but I think trading something like a Pikachu from Fire Red *might* be allowed, don't quote me on that. There are a few work arounds. I hear Pokemon Colosseum and Ruby and Sapphire Box are two gamecube games that free-ly allow trading. This is because they pre-date FRLF and Emerald, therefore they use R&S logic which is "anything goes". I know for Ruby and Sapphire Box, you must have caught at least 100 pokemon before a GBA game can connect to it, but you can achieve that early on in Emerald by trading pokemon back and forth from a more complete GBA game. Also I didn't realise how broken the dex nav was, lol! I barely used it in my gameplay. And yeah Gen 3 Sceptile is broken! I have one with "Dragon Claw, Leaf Blade, Thunder Punch, Crunch" and its a beast.
Guess what. They only shut the eShop down they didn't turn any online features off at all because Pokemon bank requires it. Do your information on the whole closure. Nintendo said they were only closing the eShop. Not the online functionality of the consoles due to them using basic wifi which they do not fully have control of since proxy servers exist as well but they have no intent on shutting the wifi features of games with wifi off due to some games needing it regardless to even do anything. Pokemon bank is one such example. Otherwise they would have said they would and would have just not made Pokemon home have the ability to link to bank at all and close bank forever.
@@jimmyh2137 You CAN use Gengar in all of Emerald, however the only way to get any of the gengar family is trough trading with FR/LG. My comment was more about the pokemon that you can easaly get and use in a RSE playtrough. Aka the Pokemon part of the RSE regional dex. Also i'd say Gengar is a horrible example here, yes it doesn't get stab from its best attacking stat, but it still has a great special movepool. Getting Psychic, Thunderbolt and Giga Drain from TMs and since you already have to trade to get it, you can also trade it to a completed emerald copy to teach it Ice Punch and Fire Punch. There is a reason why Gengar is a top 7 Pokemon in Gen 3 OU.
It’s possible for Emerald to get remade someday. The Let’s Go games are still remakes of Yellow so it’s possible for the third game to get remade. But if that happens then Crystal has to get remade first. And given the Terra types coming up look like crystals then it’s possible
@xid Exactly, the worst part about let’s go Pikachu/Eevee is the lack of wild battles and it got replaced by forced motion controls, I also hate how Pokémon can run away from you (which is a reason why I can care less if oras didn’t have the safari zone mechanics.) LGPE would’ve been good if it didn’t have forced motion controls, included the sevii islands from FRLG, and included Gen 1 to 7 pokemon (or if game freak wanted to be lazy at least include cross gen evolutions to Gen 1 pokemon.)
Loved the video! As much as I love Emerald (still think it's the best), I do love ORAS for its improvements. Just wish they didn't gimp the Battle Frontier and made the difficulty curve same as Emerald; it would've been the definitive Hoenn experience IMO!
Wallace as a Champion makes sense when you realise he represents the sea, while Steven represents the land. Delta Episode also provides a canon explanation to this, with Steven admiting that Wallace is better suited as a Champion than him, and asking his -boy- friend to oversee the Hoenn Region while he's absent.
@@JonJon-pj9ly Fr. I remember always struggling to beat Steven in my first Alpha Sapphire playthrough while I beat Wallace in my first time in my Emerald playthrough
@@JonJon-pj9ly That’s mostly because Steven’s team is much more balanced. Cradily for waters and grounds, Anorith for grasses, claydol for fires and fighters, skarmory for more bulk, aggron for…taking hits, and metagross for what’s left. He almost always has a Pokémon to come in against you. Wallace’s whole team can be beat with sceptile, Crobat, and vaporeon. You almost always have a switch in against him.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise I agree 100%. Metagross sweeps whole teams in Nuzlockes, hes the star of the show, and the rest doesnt leave to be desired. Water type is very good too and can counter one of his weakness with Ice, but Wallaces Mons dont hit as hard.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise It also doesn't help that we've already faced an Water type specialist not long ago in the last gym. So having another Water type enthusiast is pretty unbalanced. I wish Emerald could've kept Steven as Champion and Wallace would be the superboss.
A couple of things: 1: You can find Pokemon outside of the Hoenn dex after beating the main story with the DexNav. (i.e. Zorua, Sewaddle and Lillipup on Route 101) 2: There are also Triple Battles in the ORAS Battle Maison. 3: Masuda moreso said people don’t have time to do lengthy, tedious postgame stuff in the more modernized world, but close enough! Good video overall! I enjoyed watching it.
The way I personally judge Pokémon remakes is using what I call "Dual Stream to Pool" method. In short, this method is to isolate the comparison of the remakes to both the Original (for mostly main game content) as well as the 3rd Version (for mostly post game, side content and QoL), and then looking at it's own features/upgrades; then to combine the water system as a whole. I do this because I think too often people ONLY compare these games to 3rd versions and not the gen as a whole. I'll take ORAS here as my example for it: Ruby and Sapphire's stream to ORAS - I'd say it's an overall good, nothing outstanding but does a good job. Emerald's stream to ORAS - I'd give it a big X for this one, too much of the post game and side content was removed. ORAS' pool - I'd say it's pretty good: Dex Nav is very fun to play with, Soaring is great, and the online features make the Secret Bases really fun to collect (PSS was so based and I hate it hasn't come back). Overall rating - I think it's a good game, would have been better if it weren't for the lack of Emerald content.
@@EclipseHedgehog Nearly all the characters look better in Emerald because of the split difference between how sprites look in the overworld vs how they look in battle. ORAS does things a little more seamless resulting in character models looking more like Saturday morning CGI kids cartoon characters.
@NeonVars pretty soon if not already pokemon characters will look a lot like cocomelon. Back then, when pokemon was being made, artists had freedom, and the style for the first 3 games seemed like there was an edge to them, The watercolors are awesome touch too.
I picked up a copy of Alpha Sapphire and was shocked by how good it was. It fleshed out Hoenn and its characters significantly more than the originals.
My personal preference will always be Emerald, with reasons being a better difficulty curve, less handholding telling you where to go, more explorability in areas that were reduced in size in ORAS, and the story with both teams and all legendaries. Battle Frontier is also just a huge bonus. While I appreciated the quality of life changes that ORAS brought to Hoenn, I didn't care for how much it took away at the same time. It made the experience overall less enjoyable and less replayable over Emerald. Also as a side note regarding the battery in GBA cartridges, I still have my original Emerald cartridge and can play and save game files just fine even though the battery needs to be replaced. It doesn't hold save information like original GB / GBC cartridges did, only time based events which are optional for completing the game anyway.
What i love about both of these versions is that if you try to mix/mashup the themes this game has, it blends so well like Route 120 for example and the Gym leader theme.
i actually prefer the older music. to me, the instrumentation in ORAS is very same-y with a lot of other anime-stylized games on the DS & 3DS, making it come off less unique for me. plus, the youtuber "Jammin Sam Miller" is currently commissioned to do a restoration project of the R/S/E GBA soundtrack, & so far it's purrty phenomenal. take a listen to route 111, and maybe the poke'mart or mt. pyre or interior once those come out this week(i think)
I still got to give emerald the edge, Oras wouldn’t be what it is if it weren’t for the quality of life mechanics which carry it, without these quality of life mechanics the game would just fall flat on its face and wouldn’t hold a candle to emerald. Emerald stands on its own while Oras needs the constant quality of life features to stand because without them it wouldn’t stand. Emerald stands on its own merit, emerald has so much content and the battle frontier bassically just adds another 100-300+ hours of post game content that the delta episode doesn’t because beating the delta episode only really lasts for an hour, which is sad and pitiful, gamefreak would have been better of remaking emerald because it’s the true canonical plot.
*ORAS:* -Remastered OST -Remaked designs for characters -Improvement in Team Magma's and Team Aqua's personalities and appearances in the history -New Mega-Evolutions and Primal Forms -Every legendary catchable at the post-game -Delta Episode -Lissia and better Pokémon Contests. -Wally's character changed (in the originals, his parents don't support him to make a journey and he has to count only on himself to make it. In ORAS, his parents support him, he gets Mega-Gallade and a stronger team. Which version is better is subjective.) -Exploration flying Hoenn with Mega-Latios and Mega-Latias. -Improvement for Secret Bases. -PSS (the best Internet system Pokémon has ever had) -New methods to Shiny-hunt -One of the Biggest Pokedex we've ever had. (Because since Sword and Shield now we don't have all of them at every game.) *Emerald:* -BATTLE FRONTIER
Infinite TM’s is weak imo. Having a limited amount made you really think about who you wanted to give it to and plan your team well. Now you can just give the tm to everyone and just have a bunch of clones
I didn't play emerald when I was a kid, so I didn't have as much nostalgia or gameplay as RS and ORAS. Though I have played emerald and know that it's a masterpiece game
Great video! Thank you for your effort. You’re right, I agree that the quality of life updates in ORAS give it the edge. The team building features were also amazing, too bad they aren’t in the new games.
It's infuriating because if ORAS just added everything Emerald had AND it's other features, it could have washed the old games with the exception of its sprites!!!
Oh, Wally isn't your rival... you're Wally's rival. In Wally's character arc, the player character takes the role of the "Blue" to Wally's "Red". Except unfortunately, because Wally's an NPC, you ultimately have to crush his dreams.
Like you said it’s nostalgia. Everyone knows the new games are better but since we’re getting older we judge them more harshly. I grew up on GBA and will always prefer the 3DS & Switch over that😅 tho if ORAS had battle frontier I guarantee more people would have loved it.
I played Alpha Sapphire for the first time during the lockdowns. Afterwards, I was honestly shocked to find out how many people thought Zinnia was “annoying.” Did no one read what she was saying? The scientists were literally willing to risk the destruction of an entirely different world, killing potentially billions of people who would have even less time to prepare than the ORAS people. Oh, you’re mad she stole some mega stones? You’re mad she stops the plan? Really? Her actions are completely justified both towards saving the ORAS world and stopping the deaths of billions of people in a another world. How is she supposed to know you are the chosen one who will surpass all her teachings and training? Zinnia did nothing wrong.
@@GameSmith45 Yep. I love how they characterized her in the Pokemon Evolutions episode. You can really feel her heartbreak as she realizes that her role was just a setup for you to finish the story.
Respectfully, it feels unfair to give points for hardware issues (the battery is only for day/night stuff not saving) or for QoL improvements that ORAS specifically did not do. For example, the physical/special split was a diamond and pearl innovation. Infinite TMs are a black and white innovation. I actually prefer limited use TMs because it makes the games more challenging and you feel more commitment to the pokemon you give them to. It makes the pokemon feel more special to use the TMs on it. You give points to Emerald for difficulty, but then give points to ORAS for making things easier. I also cannot agree with giving points to ORAS for just having more legendaries. Having more legendaries just dulls the value of getting said legendaries. You even said in the video that getting latios for free was disappointing, yet you give points to ORAS for more legendaries that are just as free to obtain? Quite strange. Also a lot of the times you give points to Emerald, you only give one when you give 2-3 for other arbitrary things for ORAS. Just my observation. Since no one in the comments has pointed it out to my knowledge, (I scrolled a bit to look) I want to point out that the reason Emerald has Battle Tents instead of Contest Halls is because after Ruby and Sapphire release, people hated contests. So they removed the tents and located contests to only Lilycove. I personally loved contests and think they were better in Emerald than ORAS.
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. Honestly these games are so close in terms of gameplay everyone is going to weight them differently. Did you happen to see the video I posted today? I talked about how the result from this video.
I actually think the ORAS soundtrack is a slight downgrade. People seem to think that more realistic digital instruments are automatically better or something? I find that the limitations of the GBA soundchip forced the soundtrack to maximize its musicality, whereas ORAS seems to lean more on the mere fact that it sounds more realistic.
R/S/E had the most unique, fun, and innovative additions to the games. They're even more impressive given the limits of their tech. Secret Bases, the puzzles to find the Regi trio, Pokémon contests, weather based elements, customizing boxes...). GameFreak went all out in creativity and introduced new concepts. The soundtrack slapped too.
This is hard for me, Emerald Carries so much nostalgia for my childhood, but ORAS has a lot of nostalgia for my teenage years, I’d have to give the edge to Emerald in the end but both games are amazing
The reason why fairy is immune to dragon is because in myth fairy comes from the fey they some are tricksters some are nature oriented and some have magic they use to help humans slay dragons besides dragon type was op before fairys came along and got rid of quite a few normal types
ORAS would have been near perfect for me if they had just given the gym leaders their improved Emerald teams as well as allowed post game rematches with them. I can let battle frontier slide, but the way the left the gym leaders is an unacceptable gaping hole in the game for me.
for emerald ruby & sapphire the battery is not needed for saving only for the in game real time clock, firered leafgreen don't have battry and save just fine, however once you replace the battery most ruby and sapphire carts will experience something called the berry glitch, and all ers carts will have issues with the rtc which can only be fixed by using a flashcard to reprogram the rtc after replacing the battery dry battery = saving but no rtc replaced battery = eevee evolutions + tides can change but no other events such as growing barries or daily TMs replaced battery+rtc rewrite = all events now work again batteries usually last 5 years maximum but ppl will do a mail in service to replace them for about $7, I've never seen someone do a mail in service for the rtc rewrite but from what i understand it's only becoming mainstream knowledge in the community in the past year thanks to a video by the channel yello's island
Other people have pointed out about the GBA battery not affecting saving, but I think it’s unfair to award a point to ORAS for this when there’s a well known issue with those cartridges as well. Certain ORAS cartridges were part of a bad batch and straight up do not work anymore. Many people lost their save files because of this issue, and (based on a quick search) it seem the only way to fix it is to re-solder a chip inside the cartridge.
I have warm memories about these remakes. I was out of playing pokemon for a while and these got me back me in! Remakes that are actually improving on their source material! Bought the doorstop 2ds specifically for playing these (most comfortable ds btw!)
It kills me that ORAS did not have the battle frontier, because it would've been absolutely perfect. Everything else ORAS has in terms of extra stuff, it comes out kinda even w/ ORAS having a lot of legendaries to catch, places to revist for the legendaries+mega stones, expanded hoenn dex + dex nav. Its all great but man... The battle frontier will endlessly entertain me... So many combinations of pokemon to try, going after the symbols/prints and then (frustratingly) getting them to gold. Gamefreak, pls give us a battle frontier soon...
Don't forget that emerald turn constantly at 60 fps. ORAS only at 30 fps and can lag. With the cartridge there's already some ORAS that are out of order. And Steven is a secret boss in emerald, a bit like Red
ORAS could have been the best remakes ever if they had More difficulty More emerald elements Better story Maybe a mythical event for jirachi An easier way to get the lichi berry More variety with the Pokédex Character customization Trainer hill Mirage Tower Desert underpass full of ditto Emerald Gym leader teams and rematches Missing gym leader Juan More land Team magma’s volcano hideout And finally the battle frontier as the cherry on top
There was a second iteration of the Battle Frontier in gen 4, in Platinum and HGSS. The argument that it’s under appreciated was to explain why it wasn’t in ORAS yet so many people did indeed miss it. The whole idea that games need to be easier has been detrimental to the franchise, with some games being too hand holding (SM and USUM looking at you) and unbalancing the game in the player’s favour (the way the EXP share has been handled being a prime example).
I have to disagree about the music. While ORAS’ original tracks such as Zinnia’s theme sound phenomenal, its remixes were lackluster. It somehow had too much nostalgia and not enough. You could hardly hear any of the background melodies that were in the Originals. The only one I really liked was the Rival theme.
I’m surprised there was no mention to the added difficulty of more double battles that made the overworld battles with trainers more exciting in my opinion
Honestly aside from Gens 1,2 and 4, Gen 3 is a generation I hold close to my heart Had fun playing Emerald but never finished it but recently played Omega Ruby and completed it, one of the few Pokémon games where I beat the Elite 4 and the Champion
you can still save on a GBA Cartridge with a dead battery, it's just that time-based events are stuck at whatever time the battery died at. Meaning you can still get either Espeon or Umbreon, just not both
I am playing Pokemon HeartGold and Yellow at the moment. After those I will jump into Omega Ruby I think. I played Emerald about 5 years ago so I might replay that at some point as well. Thanks for the video great comparison (I skipped some of the sections in this video in order to go in fresh).
I definitely prefer Emerald but ORAS has sooo many quality of life changes that it’s hard for me to go back. Also my Emerald battery died so that sucks.
I’m really impressed with how in depth this is, especially for your first time playing these games. As a huge hoenn fan myself I agree with a lot of your analysis and think you represented these games really well.
I have such fond memories of both games, Hoenn is my favorite region and in my opinion is the best. From the starters to the legendary Pokémon and the overall feel. I’d have to say ORAS is bit more special but not by too much
Pokemon Oras for the win beacuse I like story of Ruby and Sapphire over emerald and Oras are remakes of Ruby Sapphire so, here is my choice for being team oras. Extra points to oras for beautiful 3d graphics and hoenn world and adding a lot of features of pokemon x and y which are two of my favourites. So, oras over emerald but emerald is great as well.
I love this type of analysis video. Your demeanor reminds me of Johnstone or Jrose. I mean this as a high compliment. I subbed and look forward to more.
Emerald doesn't use the battery for powering the SRAM save data. From the GBA onward, the games utilize secondary flash storage, which doesn't require electricity for data retention. The battery only powers the crystal oscillator clock for time-based events like berry growth. It's completely optional and the game can be beaten perfectly fine without it.
I can't believe how fuckin underrated and underused the battle frontier is, its what makes emerald and platinum truly special. It keeps you there for 100s of hours. You truly get your moneys worth and you get a REAL challenge.
15:15 FYI You could share secrets bases since even Rube sapphire with record mixing. Also saving in gba carts is not related to the internal battery, only the internal clock
One thing has to be said about the world design of ORAS and Emerald. The world of Emerald feels cohesive and a continuous where as ORAS feels very segmented with transitions between routes or parts of routes and cities being fade to black transitions. It's one of my big reasons for favoring Emerald over ORAS
so considering that the music and the internal battery are both hardware issues/differences that means that both games are equal in score if you take away the bonus points oras got
I wish instead of remaking the original versions of a region ( R/S, D/P) they’d remake the definitive versions like Emerald and Platinum instead. But they just wanna sell both versions.
I honestly think a big part that's left out of consideration is the wifi battles in ORAS. That offered a huge bonus over emerald where you could put a comparable amount of time into competitive wifi battling that you put into the battle frontier. It's such a huge feature that was introduced in gen 4 that completely shifted the concept of the postgame for every subsequent release and shouldn't be left out imo. Not having the battle frontier in ORAS was very disappointing (and I agree that it should have been included), but the concept of wifi battles was a sufficient postgame feature that made the postgame still at least as enjoyable as emerald, just different
I love the idea of the Battle Frontier, I hate the execution because it is so grindy. I rather not need 50 straight wins to battle a Frontier Brain's. Had silver symbols been awarded just for beating the Brains and Gold Symbols for completing the entire challenge, I feel like the Frontier would be a staple in every region. And like still keep facility gimmicks like double battles, rentals only, ect. But don't lock the achievements behind several days worth of grinding for children. I don't think I have ever beaten a single facility (though last time I played emerald and even tried I was 10 so).
I'm quite fond of Emerald. ORAS does have some improvements with a little extra postgame story, soaring, and a few other things, but I just find Emerald better paced, I like the Battle Frontier, I like how both evil teams are weighted equally in the story, and I really like how the original RSE just *flow*. ORAS has that modern design problem of stopping the player way too many times and way too long, where in RSE the stops are minimal and don't usually last long, so you can just take in the adventure
In reference of the battery issue of emerald. While it does kill time based events, you can still save and play the game for the most part. Not quite as severe of consequences as there was in gen 2.
Hoenn is my favorite region since Ruby was my first Pokemon game, but with that being said, Emerald and ORAS in particular are two of my all-time favorite games, Emerald gets points for the Battle Frontier, Gym rematches, more double battles, and the Groudon vs. Kyogre cutscene with Rayquaza breaking up their fight, however, ORAS adds Megas, Primals, the Delta Episode, had a really fun online secret base feature that I'm not sure if it even works anymore, and is just overall a better experience, even features like the DexNav or the special gift Pokemon cosplay Pikachu for contests, new characters like Zinnia or Lisia, and a lot more just ties up the Hoenn region so much better in ORAS vs. Emerald. My pipe dream is that one day when Hoenn is due for a remake again in 5-10 years, that we'll see the ultimate definitive Hoenn game in the form of Delta Emerald. Oh, and as for why you can only find either Groudon or Kyogre in ORAS depending on your version is sort of explained in the manga I believe. In the manga, one of the legendaries flees to the Embedded Tower in Johto which is a location where you can find the weather trio in-game in HGSS. So canonically in Omega Ruby, Kyogre probably went to the Embedded Tower and Groudon stayed in Hoenn.
There are many areas that ORAS butchers that you didn't bring up. Granite Cave being made basically optional, Trick House, Mt. Pyre, New Mauville dungeon, Sky Pillar and Game Corner. And then there is also the fact that music is largely subjective and that battery issues are a hardware issue & have nothing to do with Emerald and how it's designed.
That was one of my biggest complaints with Emerald they changed the last gym leader but he's still water type and then the champion is a water type user
I didn't love the inclusion of Fairy type myself, but only because I didn't feel like they balanced the gym leaders teams around it. It's way too easy to cheese that Altaria now.
1) Black/White Two _then_ One were peak Pokemon imo. Hydreigon's all face no hands lookin ass was *my baby* (Dragon/Dark) then this FAIRY TYPE NONSENSE came through and absolutely crushed my dreams I just wanted my little emo glass cannon to put in work, instead he was neutered by some of the lamest pokedudes on offer. So sad 😖😭😩💔 2 )Why yes you have 100% earned my sub! So chill, thoroughly researched and wonderful presentation. I would love to see you cover gaming anomalies, cut content, lore analysis, etc. Your style is so tranquil and I'll definitely be putting this video on my sleepy gamer essay playlist for future snoozin xD Thanks friend! I look forward to the next one~
Small correction, the battery in emerald is only responsible for the clock based events not the saves. Even if you have a dry battery the game will save.
@GameSmith45 you point still stands tho, even if you do change the battery, your save file will be frozen in time, since the clock goes back to January 1st, 2000. So if you don't have any external tools to mess with the time values, like a ds with flashcard or a flasher you'd need to start a brand new save file to make the clock work properly.
One point I would give emerald as it goes for secret basese is in that game you can actually use a full team of 6 pokemon to make an actual challenging encounter when you swaped bases with your friends. In ORAS they lowered the amount you can have to 3 so it's never really going to be a true challenge, which was kinda disappointing. They also removed the game corner in ORAS depending on your disposition twards that.
This video is riddled with inaccuracies , such as the secret base difference which was the same in Emerald but necessitated link cables. The biggest one though, is that you can still save your game even with a dry battery. It does still freeze all time based events.
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Both Emerald and ORAS should combine into Pokémon Delta Emerald the true version Hoenn
With Steven as champion I hope
@@squidlivers5677 yes and Wallace can be the champion in the elite 4 rematches
@@michaelfragoso6572 top tier idea
@@michaelfragoso6572 that really fricken works. Beat steven, he quits to research, then wallace steps up
@@moomanchu608 and Steven can be a mega boss after finishing the battle frontier
In regards to Zinnia's refusal to allow Steven's plan go ahead in the Delta Episode, the reason isn't because the energy is Pokémon life energy (it's actually Pokémon EVOLUTION energy), but because their plan is to use a LINK CABLE (yes, as in the GBA Link Cable) to teleport the meteor to another universe so it doesn't hit their planet. The technology for Link Cable trades is said to produce wormholes to other worlds, which is how Trading works for players. You trade with another universe, that being someone else's Save File.
Zinnia's opposal to the plan is simple; she doesn't want to make the meteor another Earth's problem in case it ends up being sent to "a Hoenn without Mega Evolution, one where the Ultimate Weapon was never fired", aka a Hoenn of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald.
Wow! I didn’t know that. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was just somewhere else in the universe
Maybe this is why we see Deoxys in FireRed/LeafGreen at Birth Island since if we’re talking about wormholes, there may be an alternate universe where we did go with Steven’s plan, and the meteor hit Kanto!
so it would seem like by trading with others, we are essentially opening temporary Ultra Wormholes.
remember the old pokemon mystery dungeon :)
I was going to comment the same thing! When I played the Delta episode I was shock when they confirm that the remakes are alternate universes and they do expand that in Sun & Moon also Ultra Sun & Moon. R/S/E take place at the same time of FR/LF then D/P/PT with HG/SS take place at the same time but 3 years after Hoenn and Kanto, then Unova. However X/Y seems to be an alternate universe where X/Y take place at the same universe with ORAS and S/M. After that no one knows what universe does US/UM, S/W, S/V take place.
While I agree that having a battery sucks for Emerald and Ruby/Sapphire. In these games the battery is no longer used to keep save files. Instead they are used for time based events and for randomness to some degree if you look up shiny hunting in Emerald you will be able to learn more on the randomness.
I think I saw something about that, but I didn't dive into to since I thought it would be too technical. It's good they've fixed that issue
Is the rng broken in ruby sapphire? Because I definitely found a shiny spheal on my dead copy of sapphire
@@miloticas2795 The effect on RNG is really small in a normal playthrough it basically doesn't matter if your battery is dead. It really only matters if you are resetting back to a save over and over again. For example saving infront of Kyogre and resetting back to the save to find a shiny Kyogre. Also in emerald the battery doesn't change the RNG at all it has a bug where it always treats the battery as dead for RNG.
And to be fair on the battery, my battery just ran out last year.. I had the game since launch. A 17 years is pretty decent for a battery (however, I'm not sure on how it compares to the average)
@@miloticas2795 It is if you managed to have a dead battery cartridge, but in Emerald it doesn't matter
Emerald and Fire Red was my first introduction to Pokemon Games. Emerald being my first game. I recently purchased Emerald to feel that nostalgia again! ORAS was an excellent remake and probably has more content for a more enjoyable game. But if you played Emerald and the original games as a kid, it just holds a little more weight for me
Can't blame you there. It's an awesome game
Both games are great. All ORAS was missing was the battle frontier.
I side with Emerald since battle frontier gives meaning to the postgame. Difference between 40 hours and 100+
Hey only the Gameboy Pokemon games use the batteries to save. On the gba it's just for time based events, and it also breaks the rng in emerald but not in a noticeable way to most players. Just with shinys. Video was great and I really enjoyed it, can't wait to see you upload again!
Wait really? My emerald battery is dead and I had no idea it affected shinies
Actually, a dead battery affects the RNG in Ruby and Sapphire. Emeralds RNG was broken from the very start due to an oversight.
So, is possible to catch a shiny on emerald?
@@pabloallende1914 it is definitely possible, just that the way shinies work, you could figure out exactly after how many seconds you need to encounter something for it to always 100% be shiny. Its fully dependant on your save file basically. And so it is possible that you try to hunt a shiny but your shiny frame is 3 hours in and you'll never see that shiny because you'd have to wait 3 hours per reset to hit the right frame
One point I feel is missing is Sky Pillar. The bike challenge in Emerald I thought was a lot of fun. Very frustrating to do as a kid, but I remember it fondly. ORAS had it visually redesigned with interesting murals, but its just a linear path with no challenge. I miss the old bike challenge, but I won't lie that it visually was pretty bland in Emerald.
i kinda wished they reworked it and had cracks and stuff too at the triangular pillar.
I can't believe I'm not the only person who wanted a point awarded just for the sky pillar bike challenge! I would include the Wallace walking puzzle in the 8th gym too personally, Emerald had a lot of fun with its movement puzzles.
I honestly love oras i think the game felt like a proper remake and overall felt like pokemon.
Fuck that bike challenge, I enable walk through walls cheats in every single Emerald run I ever do specifically at the bike challenges.
The bike challenge is literally just poor design, im sorry but nothing about it is a positive and replacing it with a beautiful story location is 100% an improvement
You forgot to mention that in emerald, you can fight steven as a secret final boss in post game
That’s true. I forgot about that one. I think it’s a pretty big grind to get there though
And that is a good thing
@GameSmith45 I think you only need to see Steven in Meteor Falls to battle him but I guess I just used Rayquaza to sweep hehe.
@@zjzr08yeah right after you beat Wallace Steven will always be sitting in the back of meteor falls. 2nd strongest trainer other then red I believe as well since he has level 70s
The Steven fight as a secret battle was an incredible add-on for players who went through Ruby/Sapphire and then found him imo
You rewarded one point to ORAS because of Emerald's battery problem. While I agree it's also worth mentioning that the first releases of ORAS had faulty cartridges where the game would just stop working after some time. It won't start anymore. My OR cartridge suffered from this :/ (which is also why I now have custom firmware on my 3ds to enjoy it again)
I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing!
Wait, what? I'm going to be so mad if my copy no longer works. I recently got the idea that I wanted to try finding a perfect Ralts for fun... Well, "fun."
The best thing of the ORAS Soundtrack, is that some tracks reference the old soundtrack from the GBA era. For example, the intro cutscene in ORAS start exactly like the GBA version, graphics and all, before hopping to the 3DS graphics and musics. Another example is the battle against Primal Groundon or Kyogre. The music keeps jumping from the bit version from the GBA to the new version of the 3DS.
Considering you mentioned the decade of quality of life updates, I wouldn't have given points for stuff like Physical/Special split (added in Generation 4), infinite use TMs (added Generation 5), and Pokemon Amie and Fairy Type (rollover from X/Y) since those were things under that innovation rather than actual new features.
Similarly, it's strange to count the battery and music when you said you weren't considering hardware specifications. There are good original songs, but listening a bit more critically to the remixes will show that a lot of them are closer to remasters that coast on the buffed sample quality and use of drum fills rather than any drastic changes to the arrangement itself.
You actually can share your Secret Base with someone in Emerald, but you have to use one of the Cable Club facilities for it (Record Mixing) rather than just passively doing so via Streetpass.
Surprised there weren't any points awarded for either version of Mauville, since Emerald had the Game Corner and the New Mauville dungeon, but OR/AS has some new shops and another battle facility borrowed from X/Y that has a decent gimmick and rewards players with useful resources.
It's indeed strange and unfair to give points for keeping innovations that were made between those games and kinda make the comparison pointless if you don't want to make the comparison anachronistic ("Emerald no internet connection? - bad" etc)
Exactly
Lol u really got offended that he said oras was better 😂
@@MrLachapelloras was better tho 😂
@@bartelvandervelden9894dude oras was better
Emerald had the ability to share secret bases. I don't remember how if it was after battling them once or trading but your friends base would appear in your game where they have it located in theirs.
yea i think its about trading records in the upstairs section of the Pokemon center, you can even use it to level up your mons to whoever has a Blissey in their team.
oras has this too tho
This. My brother and I would regularly do "secret base hide and seek" and basically try to find the most obscure spot ever to put our bases and then race each other to find them.
@@SheenaMalfoy that sounds fun as hell.
I spent the most time in oras than any other pokemon game. The shiny hunting mechanics were so good. From the Dex Nav, horde hunting, chain fishing masuda. Mirage islands were so good too, truly amazing remake.
- I don't think there is anything that is stopping you in Emerald from trading with any of the other gen 3 games before you beat the league, so you can trade with colosseum, FR or LG to get pretty much any gen 1 or 2 pokemon to use.
- While the dex nav is a cool feature for completing your pokedex and building a competetive team, it is also absurdly broken, especially since you get it almost as soon as you start the game. The fact that you are able to get something like a tailow with brave bird and boom burst, surskit with hydro pump, shroomish with drain punch and seed bomb, all before the first gym is absurd.
- ORAS did also cut the Game Corner. while we all know why The Game Corner has been cut since gen 4, it is still a feature that Emerald has, that ORAS does not.
- As other people has pointed out, the emerald battery has nothing to do with your save game, so if it dies, only time based events affected.
- Next year, the 3ds eshop and online services will go offline, this means that online functionality like battling and wondertrade will no longer work with ORAS. It also means that you won't be able to download the post release patches that the game got that fixed numerous bugs, one of them being that the game could freeze after entering the hall of fame.
- While the physical special split is overall a good thing for the franchise. I am gonna be honest and say that it is not that big of a deal on RSE. The only 2 pokemon that gets really screwed by it that i can think of is Mightyena, Absol and maybe Azumarill. The others that people like to bring up in gen 3 like Sharpedo, Crawdaunt still has a very respectable 95/90 special attack and can therefore run a very effective mixed set. Furthermore something i feel almost no one talks about is the pokemon that got hurt by the physical special split, because believe it or not, there are actualy some pokemon that did not enjoy the physical special split very much at all. For example, Crobat lost access to physical sludge bomb, and now has to use the much worse cross poison. Muk, since the TM for poison jab can only be gotten from random mirage spots, you will not reliably get a physical poison attack before level 49 in gunk shot, while in emerald it gets both sludge and sludge bomb from level up. Dusknoir, the best physical ghost type attack it gets in gen 6 is base 60 power Shadow Punch. Sceptile, while this is not that important for a regular playtrough, Sceptile lost basically all of its special coverage moves like Thunder Punch and Crunch, meaning that if you want to use a non mega sceptile, using it as a physical attacker is probably the better option, because its special movepool is horrible.
One thing i also would like to point out in Emerald and the rest of the gen 3 games, is how much easier they are to replay over ORAS. Almost only because the gen 3 engine is just so much quicker then the gen 6 engine. Emerald has quicker battles, quicker animations, less loading time before and after entering battles. ORAS also added a bunch of loading zones in the overworld where in Emerald there previously was none. Emerald also has less unskippable cutscenes, which again slows down everything. Just because of this, if i would like to play trough a Hoenn game, i would even choose Ruby and Sapphire before i choose ORAS
There are limitations for trading over pokemon not in hoenn (That being the 202 pokemon that make up the hoenn dex). Until you get the national dex upgrade after becoming the champion, you'll get obscure messages when trying to trade over pokemon like Slowbro or Murkrow, but I think trading something like a Pikachu from Fire Red *might* be allowed, don't quote me on that.
There are a few work arounds. I hear Pokemon Colosseum and Ruby and Sapphire Box are two gamecube games that free-ly allow trading. This is because they pre-date FRLF and Emerald, therefore they use R&S logic which is "anything goes". I know for Ruby and Sapphire Box, you must have caught at least 100 pokemon before a GBA game can connect to it, but you can achieve that early on in Emerald by trading pokemon back and forth from a more complete GBA game.
Also I didn't realise how broken the dex nav was, lol! I barely used it in my gameplay. And yeah Gen 3 Sceptile is broken! I have one with "Dragon Claw, Leaf Blade, Thunder Punch, Crunch" and its a beast.
Guess what. They only shut the eShop down they didn't turn any online features off at all because Pokemon bank requires it. Do your information on the whole closure. Nintendo said they were only closing the eShop. Not the online functionality of the consoles due to them using basic wifi which they do not fully have control of since proxy servers exist as well but they have no intent on shutting the wifi features of games with wifi off due to some games needing it regardless to even do anything. Pokemon bank is one such example. Otherwise they would have said they would and would have just not made Pokemon home have the ability to link to bank at all and close bank forever.
For Phys/Special split you should also count gen 1 and 2 pkmns, like Gengar. You can use them in Emerald.
@@jimmyh2137 You CAN use Gengar in all of Emerald, however the only way to get any of the gengar family is trough trading with FR/LG. My comment was more about the pokemon that you can easaly get and use in a RSE playtrough. Aka the Pokemon part of the RSE regional dex.
Also i'd say Gengar is a horrible example here, yes it doesn't get stab from its best attacking stat, but it still has a great special movepool. Getting Psychic, Thunderbolt and Giga Drain from TMs and since you already have to trade to get it, you can also trade it to a completed emerald copy to teach it Ice Punch and Fire Punch.
There is a reason why Gengar is a top 7 Pokemon in Gen 3 OU.
@@gta71000nun huh
It’s possible for Emerald to get remade someday. The Let’s Go games are still remakes of Yellow so it’s possible for the third game to get remade. But if that happens then Crystal has to get remade first. And given the Terra types coming up look like crystals then it’s possible
That would be awesome if they did
Crystal was remade when GF developed HeartGold and SoulSilver, as these remakes are essentially Crystal splitted in two.
They can make an "legend..." games instead of the remake of emerald
@xid Exactly, the worst part about let’s go Pikachu/Eevee is the lack of wild battles and it got replaced by forced motion controls, I also hate how Pokémon can run away from you (which is a reason why I can care less if oras didn’t have the safari zone mechanics.)
LGPE would’ve been good if it didn’t have forced motion controls, included the sevii islands from FRLG, and included Gen 1 to 7 pokemon (or if game freak wanted to be lazy at least include cross gen evolutions to Gen 1 pokemon.)
@@piranhalettuce Finally someone else that didn't miss the Safari Zone.
Gamefreak seriously needs to make another gen 4 remake sometime considering how good ORAS is compared to BDSP.
same, i want the real pokemon contest back. complete with being able to dress up your pokemon and stuff.
That isn't until YEARS to come
The next one on the chopping block for a remake us Black and White/Black 2 And White 2
Honestly I think they might remake gold/silver again. It's about time
nah, they should remake crystal or emerald
@@RileyBirb not gold and silver GOD NO
we already had a remake on the ds, they should make a remake based on crystal since it never happened
Loved the video!
As much as I love Emerald (still think it's the best), I do love ORAS for its improvements. Just wish they didn't gimp the Battle Frontier and made the difficulty curve same as Emerald; it would've been the definitive Hoenn experience IMO!
Thank you! I appreciate that!
Wallace as a Champion makes sense when you realise he represents the sea, while Steven represents the land.
Delta Episode also provides a canon explanation to this, with Steven admiting that Wallace is better suited as a Champion than him, and asking his -boy- friend to oversee the Hoenn Region while he's absent.
Although Wallace would defeat Steven in a battle, Steven is almost always way harder to deal with than Wallace
@@JonJon-pj9ly Fr. I remember always struggling to beat Steven in my first Alpha Sapphire playthrough while I beat Wallace in my first time in my Emerald playthrough
@@JonJon-pj9ly That’s mostly because Steven’s team is much more balanced. Cradily for waters and grounds, Anorith for grasses, claydol for fires and fighters, skarmory for more bulk, aggron for…taking hits, and metagross for what’s left. He almost always has a Pokémon to come in against you.
Wallace’s whole team can be beat with sceptile, Crobat, and vaporeon. You almost always have a switch in against him.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise I agree 100%. Metagross sweeps whole teams in Nuzlockes, hes the star of the show, and the rest doesnt leave to be desired. Water type is very good too and can counter one of his weakness with Ice, but Wallaces Mons dont hit as hard.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise It also doesn't help that we've already faced an Water type specialist not long ago in the last gym. So having another Water type enthusiast is pretty unbalanced. I wish Emerald could've kept Steven as Champion and Wallace would be the superboss.
A couple of things:
1: You can find Pokemon outside of the Hoenn dex after beating the main story with the DexNav. (i.e. Zorua, Sewaddle and Lillipup on Route 101)
2: There are also Triple Battles in the ORAS Battle Maison.
3: Masuda moreso said people don’t have time to do lengthy, tedious postgame stuff in the more modernized world, but close enough!
Good video overall! I enjoyed watching it.
The way I personally judge Pokémon remakes is using what I call "Dual Stream to Pool" method.
In short, this method is to isolate the comparison of the remakes to both the Original (for mostly main game content) as well as the 3rd Version (for mostly post game, side content and QoL), and then looking at it's own features/upgrades; then to combine the water system as a whole. I do this because I think too often people ONLY compare these games to 3rd versions and not the gen as a whole.
I'll take ORAS here as my example for it:
Ruby and Sapphire's stream to ORAS - I'd say it's an overall good, nothing outstanding but does a good job.
Emerald's stream to ORAS - I'd give it a big X for this one, too much of the post game and side content was removed.
ORAS' pool - I'd say it's pretty good: Dex Nav is very fun to play with, Soaring is great, and the online features make the Secret Bases really fun to collect (PSS was so based and I hate it hasn't come back).
Overall rating - I think it's a good game, would have been better if it weren't for the lack of Emerald content.
That seems like a good system
As someone who grew up playing both, simply play both
One game doesn't tremble against the other, they're both great games you need to experience.
Biggest difference is they ruined my immersion that the male MC had white hair. Unforgivable.
Brendan just looks leagues better in emerald.
@@EclipseHedgehog Nearly all the characters look better in Emerald because of the split difference between how sprites look in the overworld vs how they look in battle. ORAS does things a little more seamless resulting in character models looking more like Saturday morning CGI kids cartoon characters.
@NeonVars pretty soon if not already pokemon characters will look a lot like cocomelon. Back then, when pokemon was being made, artists had freedom, and the style for the first 3 games seemed like there was an edge to them, The watercolors are awesome touch too.
I picked up a copy of Alpha Sapphire and was shocked by how good it was. It fleshed out Hoenn and its characters significantly more than the originals.
BRO NO, when you gave the music points to oras I got so mad, the hoenn trumpets on the gba cant be beat man, the best soundtrack
Lol it must have been quite the hit seeing as how I gave it two points.
My personal preference will always be Emerald, with reasons being a better difficulty curve, less handholding telling you where to go, more explorability in areas that were reduced in size in ORAS, and the story with both teams and all legendaries. Battle Frontier is also just a huge bonus.
While I appreciated the quality of life changes that ORAS brought to Hoenn, I didn't care for how much it took away at the same time. It made the experience overall less enjoyable and less replayable over Emerald.
Also as a side note regarding the battery in GBA cartridges, I still have my original Emerald cartridge and can play and save game files just fine even though the battery needs to be replaced. It doesn't hold save information like original GB / GBC cartridges did, only time based events which are optional for completing the game anyway.
What i love about both of these versions is that if you try to mix/mashup the themes this game has, it blends so well like Route 120 for example and the Gym leader theme.
i actually prefer the older music. to me, the instrumentation in ORAS is very same-y with a lot of other anime-stylized games on the DS & 3DS, making it come off less unique for me. plus, the youtuber "Jammin Sam Miller" is currently commissioned to do a restoration project of the R/S/E GBA soundtrack, & so far it's purrty phenomenal. take a listen to route 111, and maybe the poke'mart or mt. pyre or interior once those come out this week(i think)
If emerald and omega ruby combined it maybe the contendor to be the best pokemon games in framchise
Great deep dive comparison. I adore the updated pokedex and movesets with ORAS
Glad you enjoyed it!
I still got to give emerald the edge, Oras wouldn’t be what it is if it weren’t for the quality of life mechanics which carry it, without these quality of life mechanics the game would just fall flat on its face and wouldn’t hold a candle to emerald. Emerald stands on its own while Oras needs the constant quality of life features to stand because without them it wouldn’t stand. Emerald stands on its own merit, emerald has so much content and the battle frontier bassically just adds another 100-300+ hours of post game content that the delta episode doesn’t because beating the delta episode only really lasts for an hour, which is sad and pitiful, gamefreak would have been better of remaking emerald because it’s the true canonical plot.
@@GodSlayer330 Lmao bros meat riding the Battle Frontier for all it's worth when it wasn't even that good and Platinum had the superior one BY FAR
*ORAS:*
-Remastered OST
-Remaked designs for characters
-Improvement in Team Magma's and Team Aqua's personalities and appearances in the history
-New Mega-Evolutions and Primal Forms
-Every legendary catchable at the post-game
-Delta Episode
-Lissia and better Pokémon Contests.
-Wally's character changed (in the originals, his parents don't support him to make a journey and he has to count only on himself to make it. In ORAS, his parents support him, he gets Mega-Gallade and a stronger team. Which version is better is subjective.)
-Exploration flying Hoenn with Mega-Latios and Mega-Latias.
-Improvement for Secret Bases.
-PSS (the best Internet system Pokémon has ever had)
-New methods to Shiny-hunt
-One of the Biggest Pokedex we've ever had. (Because since Sword and Shield now we don't have all of them at every game.)
*Emerald:*
-BATTLE FRONTIER
Infinite TM’s is weak imo. Having a limited amount made you really think about who you wanted to give it to and plan your team well. Now you can just give the tm to everyone and just have a bunch of clones
I didn't play emerald when I was a kid, so I didn't have as much nostalgia or gameplay as RS and ORAS. Though I have played emerald and know that it's a masterpiece game
“Didn’t try to make a close score?” Yeah. Agree to disagree there.
You are free to do so
I love your in depth reviews of these games. You deserve so many more subscribers!
Much appreciated! Thank you!
Great video! Thank you for your effort. You’re right, I agree that the quality of life updates in ORAS give it the edge. The team building features were also amazing, too bad they aren’t in the new games.
Thank you!
It's infuriating because if ORAS just added everything Emerald had AND it's other features, it could have washed the old games with the exception of its sprites!!!
Exactly. Would have been epic
For me ORAS is the best way to play the original RS.
Emerald is more like the alternate version of the originals.
Oh, Wally isn't your rival... you're Wally's rival. In Wally's character arc, the player character takes the role of the "Blue" to Wally's "Red". Except unfortunately, because Wally's an NPC, you ultimately have to crush his dreams.
And crush them we must
Like you said it’s nostalgia. Everyone knows the new games are better but since we’re getting older we judge them more harshly. I grew up on GBA and will always prefer the 3DS & Switch over that😅 tho if ORAS had battle frontier I guarantee more people would have loved it.
another 25-50 we can see it.😊😊😊😊
Now imagine a hypothetical Pokemon: Gamma Emerald, which has gym leader and E4 rematches and both Emerald and Platinum's Battle Frontiers.
I played Alpha Sapphire for the first time during the lockdowns. Afterwards, I was honestly shocked to find out how many people thought Zinnia was “annoying.” Did no one read what she was saying? The scientists were literally willing to risk the destruction of an entirely different world, killing potentially billions of people who would have even less time to prepare than the ORAS people. Oh, you’re mad she stole some mega stones? You’re mad she stops the plan? Really? Her actions are completely justified both towards saving the ORAS world and stopping the deaths of billions of people in a another world. How is she supposed to know you are the chosen one who will surpass all her teachings and training? Zinnia did nothing wrong.
Good points. She goes from thinking she’s the main character to understanding that you are. Probably a tough realization
@@GameSmith45 Yep. I love how they characterized her in the Pokemon Evolutions episode. You can really feel her heartbreak as she realizes that her role was just a setup for you to finish the story.
Respectfully, it feels unfair to give points for hardware issues (the battery is only for day/night stuff not saving) or for QoL improvements that ORAS specifically did not do. For example, the physical/special split was a diamond and pearl innovation. Infinite TMs are a black and white innovation. I actually prefer limited use TMs because it makes the games more challenging and you feel more commitment to the pokemon you give them to. It makes the pokemon feel more special to use the TMs on it. You give points to Emerald for difficulty, but then give points to ORAS for making things easier. I also cannot agree with giving points to ORAS for just having more legendaries. Having more legendaries just dulls the value of getting said legendaries. You even said in the video that getting latios for free was disappointing, yet you give points to ORAS for more legendaries that are just as free to obtain? Quite strange. Also a lot of the times you give points to Emerald, you only give one when you give 2-3 for other arbitrary things for ORAS. Just my observation.
Since no one in the comments has pointed it out to my knowledge, (I scrolled a bit to look) I want to point out that the reason Emerald has Battle Tents instead of Contest Halls is because after Ruby and Sapphire release, people hated contests. So they removed the tents and located contests to only Lilycove. I personally loved contests and think they were better in Emerald than ORAS.
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. Honestly these games are so close in terms of gameplay everyone is going to weight them differently. Did you happen to see the video I posted today? I talked about how the result from this video.
This is a great idea for a video and I’ve thought about this a lot!
Thank you!
I actually think the ORAS soundtrack is a slight downgrade. People seem to think that more realistic digital instruments are automatically better or something? I find that the limitations of the GBA soundchip forced the soundtrack to maximize its musicality, whereas ORAS seems to lean more on the mere fact that it sounds more realistic.
Interesting take. I can respect it.
Emerald is the go to for sure you get all 3 weather trio and get to pick what eon duo you want
R/S/E had the most unique, fun, and innovative additions to the games. They're even more impressive given the limits of their tech.
Secret Bases, the puzzles to find the Regi trio, Pokémon contests, weather based elements, customizing boxes...). GameFreak went all out in creativity and introduced new concepts.
The soundtrack slapped too.
They did an amazing job
This is hard for me, Emerald Carries so much nostalgia for my childhood, but ORAS has a lot of nostalgia for my teenage years, I’d have to give the edge to Emerald in the end but both games are amazing
The reason why fairy is immune to dragon is because in myth fairy comes from the fey they some are tricksters some are nature oriented and some have magic they use to help humans slay dragons besides dragon type was op before fairys came along and got rid of quite a few normal types
I mean fairy didn’t stop dragon but replaced it
Both are literally my favourite games in the series
I wish they would’ve kept the Soar feature from ORAS for later games. I liked flying around on Latios/Latias.
ORAS would have been near perfect for me if they had just given the gym leaders their improved Emerald teams as well as allowed post game rematches with them. I can let battle frontier slide, but the way the left the gym leaders is an unacceptable gaping hole in the game for me.
Yeah that was very disappointing. Really wish they had kept them as they were in emerald
for emerald ruby & sapphire the battery is not needed for saving only for the in game real time clock,
firered leafgreen don't have battry and save just fine,
however once you replace the battery most ruby and sapphire carts will experience something called the berry glitch, and all ers carts will have issues with the rtc which can only be fixed by using a flashcard to reprogram the rtc after replacing the battery
dry battery = saving but no rtc
replaced battery = eevee evolutions + tides can change but no other events such as growing barries or daily TMs
replaced battery+rtc rewrite = all events now work again
batteries usually last 5 years maximum but ppl will do a mail in service to replace them for about $7, I've never seen someone do a mail in service for the rtc rewrite but from what i understand it's only becoming mainstream knowledge in the community in the past year thanks to a video by the channel yello's island
Other people have pointed out about the GBA battery not affecting saving, but I think it’s unfair to award a point to ORAS for this when there’s a well known issue with those cartridges as well. Certain ORAS cartridges were part of a bad batch and straight up do not work anymore. Many people lost their save files because of this issue, and (based on a quick search) it seem the only way to fix it is to re-solder a chip inside the cartridge.
Oh I didn’t know that. Had I known that I would have made it a wash
I have warm memories about these remakes. I was out of playing pokemon for a while and these got me back me in! Remakes that are actually improving on their source material! Bought the doorstop 2ds specifically for playing these (most comfortable ds btw!)
Love it
It kills me that ORAS did not have the battle frontier, because it would've been absolutely perfect. Everything else ORAS has in terms of extra stuff, it comes out kinda even w/ ORAS having a lot of legendaries to catch, places to revist for the legendaries+mega stones, expanded hoenn dex + dex nav. Its all great but man... The battle frontier will endlessly entertain me... So many combinations of pokemon to try, going after the symbols/prints and then (frustratingly) getting them to gold. Gamefreak, pls give us a battle frontier soon...
I still play both to this day, so I couldn't decide between the two as I adore both.
Don't forget that emerald turn constantly at 60 fps. ORAS only at 30 fps and can lag.
With the cartridge there's already some ORAS that are out of order.
And Steven is a secret boss in emerald, a bit like Red
ORAS could have been the best remakes ever if they had
More difficulty
More emerald elements
Better story
Maybe a mythical event for jirachi
An easier way to get the lichi berry
More variety with the Pokédex
Character customization
Trainer hill
Mirage Tower
Desert underpass full of ditto
Emerald Gym leader teams and rematches
Missing gym leader Juan
More land
Team magma’s volcano hideout
And finally the battle frontier as the cherry on top
If they combined the best parts of emerald with it they would have been amazing for sure
There was a second iteration of the Battle Frontier in gen 4, in Platinum and HGSS. The argument that it’s under appreciated was to explain why it wasn’t in ORAS yet so many people did indeed miss it. The whole idea that games need to be easier has been detrimental to the franchise, with some games being too hand holding (SM and USUM looking at you) and unbalancing the game in the player’s favour (the way the EXP share has been handled being a prime example).
I have to disagree about the music. While ORAS’ original tracks such as Zinnia’s theme sound phenomenal, its remixes were lackluster. It somehow had too much nostalgia and not enough.
You could hardly hear any of the background melodies that were in the Originals. The only one I really liked was the Rival theme.
I’m surprised there was no mention to the added difficulty of more double battles that made the overworld battles with trainers more exciting in my opinion
Oh that’s a good point. I overlooked that
You already know which one I’m playing 🤓
Honestly aside from Gens 1,2 and 4, Gen 3 is a generation I hold close to my heart
Had fun playing Emerald but never finished it but recently played Omega Ruby and completed it, one of the few Pokémon games where I beat the Elite 4 and the Champion
you can still save on a GBA Cartridge with a dead battery, it's just that time-based events are stuck at whatever time the battery died at. Meaning you can still get either Espeon or Umbreon, just not both
Yeah I messed up on that one. I corrected it in the video after this one
I am playing Pokemon HeartGold and Yellow at the moment. After those I will jump into Omega Ruby I think. I played Emerald about 5 years ago so I might replay that at some point as well. Thanks for the video great comparison (I skipped some of the sections in this video in order to go in fresh).
The battery is not used for saves in emerald, it’s only used for time events.
I definitely prefer Emerald but ORAS has sooo many quality of life changes that it’s hard for me to go back. Also my Emerald battery died so that sucks.
I’m really impressed with how in depth this is, especially for your first time playing these games. As a huge hoenn fan myself I agree with a lot of your analysis and think you represented these games really well.
Thank you! That means a lot!
I have such fond memories of both games, Hoenn is my favorite region and in my opinion is the best. From the starters to the legendary Pokémon and the overall feel. I’d have to say ORAS is bit more special but not by too much
both emerald and oras are easily some of the best pokemon games, i consider oras the 2nd best games, right after usum
Pokemon Oras for the win beacuse I like story of Ruby and Sapphire over emerald and Oras are remakes of Ruby Sapphire so, here is my choice for being team oras. Extra points to oras for beautiful 3d graphics and hoenn world and adding a lot of features of pokemon x and y which are two of my favourites. So, oras over emerald but emerald is great as well.
I love this type of analysis video. Your demeanor reminds me of Johnstone or Jrose. I mean this as a high compliment. I subbed and look forward to more.
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Emerald doesn't use the battery for powering the SRAM save data. From the GBA onward, the games utilize secondary flash storage, which doesn't require electricity for data retention. The battery only powers the crystal oscillator clock for time-based events like berry growth. It's completely optional and the game can be beaten perfectly fine without it.
I can't believe how fuckin underrated and underused the battle frontier is, its what makes emerald and platinum truly special. It keeps you there for 100s of hours. You truly get your moneys worth and you get a REAL challenge.
Agreed
15:15 FYI You could share secrets bases since even Rube sapphire with record mixing.
Also saving in gba carts is not related to the internal battery, only the internal clock
Yeah I found out later my source material was wrong. I made a follow up video on this one where I mention the mistake
ORAS better
One thing has to be said about the world design of ORAS and Emerald. The world of Emerald feels cohesive and a continuous where as ORAS feels very segmented with transitions between routes or parts of routes and cities being fade to black transitions. It's one of my big reasons for favoring Emerald over ORAS
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Sea Mauville is where you encounter _who?_ How did I not know this?
Oh, right. Hoopa.
This should get interesting
so considering that the music and the internal battery are both hardware issues/differences that means that both games are equal in score if you take away the bonus points oras got
I wish instead of remaking the original versions of a region ( R/S, D/P) they’d remake the definitive versions like Emerald and Platinum instead. But they just wanna sell both versions.
Another 15-30 we can see Emerald remake ok! 😊😊😊😊
I honestly think a big part that's left out of consideration is the wifi battles in ORAS. That offered a huge bonus over emerald where you could put a comparable amount of time into competitive wifi battling that you put into the battle frontier. It's such a huge feature that was introduced in gen 4 that completely shifted the concept of the postgame for every subsequent release and shouldn't be left out imo. Not having the battle frontier in ORAS was very disappointing (and I agree that it should have been included), but the concept of wifi battles was a sufficient postgame feature that made the postgame still at least as enjoyable as emerald, just different
Well said
I love the idea of the Battle Frontier, I hate the execution because it is so grindy. I rather not need 50 straight wins to battle a Frontier Brain's. Had silver symbols been awarded just for beating the Brains and Gold Symbols for completing the entire challenge, I feel like the Frontier would be a staple in every region. And like still keep facility gimmicks like double battles, rentals only, ect. But don't lock the achievements behind several days worth of grinding for children. I don't think I have ever beaten a single facility (though last time I played emerald and even tried I was 10 so).
I feel like this video is like comparing apples to a Lamborghini. One goes inside of you, while you go inside the other.
That is hilarious
I'm quite fond of Emerald. ORAS does have some improvements with a little extra postgame story, soaring, and a few other things, but I just find Emerald better paced, I like the Battle Frontier, I like how both evil teams are weighted equally in the story, and I really like how the original RSE just *flow*. ORAS has that modern design problem of stopping the player way too many times and way too long, where in RSE the stops are minimal and don't usually last long, so you can just take in the adventure
lost of little mistakes in this one but overall liked this style of review/comparison
The chad Emerald design for Brendan vs the Virgin ORAS design for Brendan
You can visit other player's bases in R/S/E too.
Just so you know saves are not tied to the battery, only time Is at lese for gen 3
In reference of the battery issue of emerald. While it does kill time based events, you can still save and play the game for the most part. Not quite as severe of consequences as there was in gen 2.
Yeah I messed this one up. I fixed it in the video following this one
Hoenn is my favorite region since Ruby was my first Pokemon game, but with that being said, Emerald and ORAS in particular are two of my all-time favorite games, Emerald gets points for the Battle Frontier, Gym rematches, more double battles, and the Groudon vs. Kyogre cutscene with Rayquaza breaking up their fight, however, ORAS adds Megas, Primals, the Delta Episode, had a really fun online secret base feature that I'm not sure if it even works anymore, and is just overall a better experience, even features like the DexNav or the special gift Pokemon cosplay Pikachu for contests, new characters like Zinnia or Lisia, and a lot more just ties up the Hoenn region so much better in ORAS vs. Emerald. My pipe dream is that one day when Hoenn is due for a remake again in 5-10 years, that we'll see the ultimate definitive Hoenn game in the form of Delta Emerald.
Oh, and as for why you can only find either Groudon or Kyogre in ORAS depending on your version is sort of explained in the manga I believe. In the manga, one of the legendaries flees to the Embedded Tower in Johto which is a location where you can find the weather trio in-game in HGSS. So canonically in Omega Ruby, Kyogre probably went to the Embedded Tower and Groudon stayed in Hoenn.
Well said
There are many areas that ORAS butchers that you didn't bring up. Granite Cave being made basically optional, Trick House, Mt. Pyre, New Mauville dungeon, Sky Pillar and Game Corner. And then there is also the fact that music is largely subjective and that battery issues are a hardware issue & have nothing to do with Emerald and how it's designed.
That was one of my biggest complaints with Emerald they changed the last gym leader but he's still water type and then the champion is a water type user
I didn't love the inclusion of Fairy type myself, but only because I didn't feel like they balanced the gym leaders teams around it. It's way too easy to cheese that Altaria now.
1) Black/White Two _then_ One were peak Pokemon imo. Hydreigon's all face no hands lookin ass was *my baby* (Dragon/Dark) then this FAIRY TYPE NONSENSE came through and absolutely crushed my dreams I just wanted my little emo glass cannon to put in work, instead he was neutered by some of the lamest pokedudes on offer. So sad 😖😭😩💔
2 )Why yes you have 100% earned my sub! So chill, thoroughly researched and wonderful presentation. I would love to see you cover gaming anomalies, cut content, lore analysis, etc. Your style is so tranquil and I'll definitely be putting this video on my sleepy gamer essay playlist for future snoozin xD
Thanks friend! I look forward to the next one~
You just made my night! Excellent suggestions on content. Glad I could help with the snoozin lmao
Small correction, the battery in emerald is only responsible for the clock based events not the saves. Even if you have a dry battery the game will save.
Yeah I had bad source material on that one unfortunately
@GameSmith45 you point still stands tho, even if you do change the battery, your save file will be frozen in time, since the clock goes back to January 1st, 2000. So if you don't have any external tools to mess with the time values, like a ds with flashcard or a flasher you'd need to start a brand new save file to make the clock work properly.
I honestly subscribed because this guy presentation is cool and he was pressuring me for the sub he even said i didn’t need to 👍🔥💪
One point I would give emerald as it goes for secret basese is in that game you can actually use a full team of 6 pokemon to make an actual challenging encounter when you swaped bases with your friends. In ORAS they lowered the amount you can have to 3 so it's never really going to be a true challenge, which was kinda disappointing.
They also removed the game corner in ORAS depending on your disposition twards that.
This video is riddled with inaccuracies , such as the secret base difference which was the same in Emerald but necessitated link cables. The biggest one though, is that you can still save your game even with a dry battery. It does still freeze all time based events.
Thanks for the feedback. I tried my best. The source material I had for the battery was bad unfortunately