Im a huge Cummins fan, but I feel people also forget to mention that its 2/3's of a v8. That's 2 less injectors I have to buy, that's only 1 head gasket, not 2, one. Its in a straight 6 formation, I dont have to worry about disassembling the intake manifold or going through a mess of pipes, the turbo is right there, everything is right there. I don't gotta worry about glow plugs. There is 2/3's the moving parts to worry about. Cummins is in fact superior
Have a 2016 myself and the emissions equipment has mysteriously disappeared. Truck runs so much better. It's like breathing with one lung vs two lungs.
But these new engines are not designed to run without egr and that's why people have problems out of there trucks the engines are not designed to run without em
@@stevenhooten4275 Well @Steven Hooten your just wrong. These engines are never “designed” to run on their own exhaust, the American EPA wants our personal trucks adapted with EGR & Particulate filters which make our personal trucks loose 20% + fuel economy, cut Engine Life by 33% + Facts. Plus, these emissions parts are unreliable, short lived and EXPENSIVE ($5k to $10k) costly replacements @ around 80,000 miles. Tunes are easily adaptable to the current generation Diesel engines. My 2018 F350 fully deleted with an Easy Link tune gets 24mpg and 13.4 mpg towing my 9000lb Airstream. 50,000 miles, 100% reliable.
@@stevenhooten4275 what? No engine was ever designed to run on exhaust gas. Tell me why they run better, get better fuel economy and are more reliable without all the emissions garbage?
Definitely can agree, I've had my 2006 Cummins 2500 for 14 years and the only things I've replaced on the engine is a water pump and injectors....That is it and still going strong, my truck has 335,000 miles and is awesome
My 05 has only replaced serpentine belt at 145k no brakes or water or injectors but Iam a old truck driver and I have never turned over 22 hundred RPM. I have been told all my life that only thing that kills a diesel is heat and RPM’s.
Been a technician for 27 years. Just got my first diesel truck 2021 Ram diesel and love it! Took me years to buy one but for my hard earn money and experience the Cummins wins. 6 in a row ready to tow!
I own a 2017 3500 limited single rear wheel and I absolutely love it. I pull double trailers. A 30 foot fifth wheel and enclosed utility trailer behind that. 65 foot total length. Almost completely stock emissions intact. It's a beast!
Thanks for confirming my experience and explaining the technical reasons why my 2006, Ram 3500 is such a great truck. So glad I bought it 18 years ago. It’s still going strong.
Can't forget about having a manual trans option up to 2018. I've got a 2016 cummins with a G56, deleted and tuned with a south bend clutch. It's amazing! My new favourite eng/trans combo. It's a pleasure to tow with and rev match downshifting with the exhaust brake puts a smile on my face.
I got one too and its absolutely my favorite vehicle I have ever owned and I have owned many from hellcats to cobras to a lifted 7.3 on 40s and there is no comparison
Yeah I got a 2018 ram 3500 4x4 SRW cummins with manual tranny. So happy with it and probably only guy in So Cal with one...lol. I'll keep this bad boy forever
@@brocklee1996 watch it will be a collectors item one day!!! I am definitely keeping mine and I am in NC and people are shocked here that it has a manual
We have both, Ford F-250 Super Duty's with the 6.7 Power Strokes and Ram 2500's with the Cummin's diesels. In face we have ordered 30 new Ram 2500's with the Cummins and so far received 17 of them. We pull Big Tex Goosenecks and some heavy car hauler trailers. I have not ran into any issue pulling anything with either of the trucks. What I have noticed is the Ford has way more get up and go on take off or when passing anther vehicle and has a smoother ride. Also two of the new Dodges are now in the shop with less that 6000 miles on them. They have fuel delivery problems due to the fuel pumps. From what I have been told this is a issue that Stellantis is going to address with a recall but it don't hemp much when I have trucks breaking down in several states.
Good video and you are correct about this engine. Ive had three Ram 3500 in the past and still own one today. All were high mileage trucks that were all deleted and caused no issues. The same cannot be said about the trucks but the engine is flawless.
Truth!! I’ve been driving Cummins pickups for years. By far the most dependable, longest lasting pickup engines ever built. I have several 5.9 engines with 600k and still running good. I also have had several 6.7 engines that have been just as dependable as the 5.9.
For a couple years I installed these retrofit 4 cylinder Cummins engines into bread trucks to replace the underpowered Ford 300 straight 6's. I was really impressed with the power output. They are a little weird when adapted to a gasoline engine stick shift transmission but I liked them. As my boss at the time told me the 4 banger is identical to the 5.9L straight 6 just missing front and rear cylinders. These adapters for the transmissions looked like massive wasp nest, guess they can adapt to anything for real.
I’ve driven cross country quite a bit. The majority of HD pickup trucks on the interstate towing big loads are Rams. You see them way more than any other truck on the road.
My Aissen in my last 2014 was perfectly paired to the 6.7. !58K and zero issues. LOVE the Aissen and Cummins pairing. I heard the new ones are improved. I hope they are not improved in a way that would make them less reliable...
Awesome video man!! I wish Cat would make a small displacement 4 cylinder diesel engine for light duty trucks. I had a Cat C-15 in my dump truck and that engine was indestructible!! I ran that truck at 2000 plus rpms and drove it like I stole it!! Honestly I think Cat is a better engine then Cummins in Semi's.
Ohh ya alot of engines are better then the ISX cummins. I'd run a cat or a 60 series before a cummins. There decent engines for trucking but not the best in my opinion. But in the pick up truck market cummins is the clear winner lol. At yes it was always odd why GM or Ford didnt jump all over that. Imagine a GM with a Cat engine in it. You could market that so well!
@@TheGettyAdventures I think the GM Duramax was a joint (development) venture with Isuzu in the 90's. They probably made the decision based on cost. I would guess they considered Cat and others.
Cat horsepower was amazing, but Cummins always had better efficiency and then after the 1990s and the 444 Cummins, they went bigger and started crushing the competition!
They are most likely the most dependable. They are more fuel efficient as well . The powestroke though is the most powerful diesel engine in the pickups. Also the most costly to maintain compared to the cummins, which is easier to work on to.
You can also put 700,000 miles on a Cummins with no worries and put 1 million before having to rebuild them. Where the Power Stroke and Duramax are needed rebuilt at about 500,000.
Well these engines arent lined so it would make an inframe a little tough. Block would probably have to be machined but your point is valid these engines will run longer then the competition
@@snipersam204 I get your point but just to clarify... Chad's comment mentioned running 1 million miles but you are comparing with kilometers. A million km is slightly over 621K miles which is significantly less, comparatively speaking.
Long time Super Duty owner that went RAM/Cummins on the most recent purchase. I couldn't be more happy with this truck, unlike the Ford's, I plan to keep this truck around for many years.
I currently work in truck rental, and I have driven all three of the 2500 diesel motors between ford, gm, and ram. Now prior to working at this job, I would have never even considered getting a diesel powered anything, because I was in love with a gas V8 for my truck, and that's what I wanted to stick to. But then, one day, I drove the ram 2500 with the Cummins. O.M.G. I have not been shopping for a Ram 2500 4 wheel drive with the Cummins LOL not only is his engine better driving than the general motors or Ford competition, it's better in terms of power and performance in my opinion then even a gasoline V8. Not to mention, it also is more fuel efficient, and OMG the sheer amount of pull this motor has with all of that torque, it's completely addictive. I don't tell anything, I don't haul anything. I like to go off-road, and that's about as heavy duty as I get with a truck. With that all said, I think the ran with the Cummins is a perfect truck for the job
One more thing. In 1980 I drove GMC 45 passenger busses that came with Detroit L92s. They were retrofitted with cummins 650hp V8s. I got one up to 110 mph on the autobahn. If you have a L92 and it doesn't leak oil, shut it off. It's out of oil. L92s were in the M911 Heavy Equipment Transporters, Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Trucks, and Palitized Loading Systems. HP ratings went from 415 up to 500.
The v92 series Detroit's as well as all their 2 strokes leaked oil from the air box drain. That oil was simply typical oil consumption that would get past the rings but instead of being burned in the cylinder like a four stroke, it was allowed to leave the engine before getting to the combustion chamber. If they had simply routed those drains back into the oil pan they wouldn't have used or leaked any more oil than any other engine. They likely didn't route the drains to the oil pan due to the air box pressure that also would come along with the oil.
The duramax has been used in medium duty applications, was offered in the Chevy kodiak and Gmc topkick. Today it is offered in the new Silverado medium duty trucks and international CV. The 6.7 power stroke is offered in the F650 and 750. The V8 diesels have definitely been used in medium duty applications.
well ya because it's a gm product lol why pay to license another diesel when you have your own. international has a contract with gm and that "international" is a glorified gm pick up. but have you seen like a medium duty freight liner or Kenworth use a duramax? maybe a school bus or a city bus? probably not. look I'm not trying to hate on the duramax I actually kind of like them. they make great power. but the commercial trucking industry does not use consumer engines in their products. the cummins is a commercial grade engine whereas the powerstroke and duramax are not.
@@TheGettyAdventures they use cummins cause they own the diesel industry and that doesn't mean there superior in any way they are decent but not great throw numbers all you like cat is where it is yes they stop making motors and that's cause of the emissions crap cummins had ford and chevy that owned stocks in cummins
@@stevenhooten4275 The only ones who believe that Cat made the best engines are people who wear the yellow underwear. Cat is not bad but they were not the perfect platform either. It took Detroit Diesel to come out with the Series 60 to get Cat off their a$$ to start improving their lineup to be half way competitive. Just like the Harley Davidson mindset of people buying the name more than the product. I have never been a Cummins fan in heavy trucks but in the pickup market they are probably the best option going.
In 2006, I moved from Portland, OR to DFW TX area. I was pulling a Travel Trailer 26' long with a fully loaded '89 F-250 H.D with a LWB. I had a 460 with 5-speed stick, Banks Power Pack, EFI, Headers & Intake tract. It was over 20 years before Dodges with Cummins would out pull the old beast. They got better mileage, but 2 different new dodges with similar sized trailers challenged me on mountain uphill pulls & they lost, 6-0. They'd blast by me on the bottom, & I'd pass 'em in 4th about 1/2 way up. That truck has had 2 more owners & is STILL doing great. Now days, I have a 6.0 L that runs fine, doesn't leak & has never had the heads off. But, I do like Dodges; it's American Iron.
In October I purchased a 2022 patriot blue midnight edition like yours don't have the led lights which I miss but overall, a great looking truck. So far, I have 2800 miles on it. Great job bro! I feel happy with my purchase even more watching your video coming from a diesel mechanic.
My personal favorite engine in a passenger vehicle is the Mercedes OM617a. From a longevity standpoint they do have a leg up on the Cummins. Lots of those engines out there in generator setups pushing 40-50,000hrs on the motors. A good friend of mine was Mercedes tech in Germany that was part of the original design team that released the W123 chassis cars and he talked a lot about some of the engineering that went into those motors. Only thing that killed them was running them too cold. My own 300td has over 750k on the car and it’s untouched. I have owned the car since it had about 120k on it and the only repairs have been the water pump and the oil filter blocks o rings where it mounts to the block. Other than that just regular valve adjustments and normal maintenance. Oh I did do the timing chain and tensioner around 400k and the tensioner is getting near maxed out again. I’m a Cummins guy and have worked on a lot of different diesels but that engine, I have a real soft spot for!
@@toddfolmsbee2429 the om617 was designed as an industrial motor and then put in vehicles and the original German durability ratings were higher than b10 500,000mi. They don’t get worked that hard in the cars but that can be hard on an engine in its own way
The main reason "Big Rigs" use I6 engines is not the inherent torque advantage, that advantage is negligible. Packaging, ease of manufacture, ease of maintenance, are the main reasons. Trucking margins are tight and I6s are less costly to keep on the road. Nice vid. ✌️
A small correction: Cummins didn't bring exhaust brakes into commonplace, Jacobs Vehicle Systems did. Cummins just sourced the exhaust brake from Jacobs. I have a factory option Jacobs/Cummins exhaust brake in my '03. Love it. Funny now that Cummins bought Jacobs Vehicle Systems recently, as well as Holset. Which means Cummins now makes everything for their engines under one roof. Pretty cool. Just hoping it doesn't lead to lower QC!
Actually, yes Clesse Cummins did design the first diesel compression brake. It was marketed under Jacobs Engine Brake so that it could be used on other big engine manufacturers engines as well vs being only Cummins exclusive.
here in Africa the Cummins B series engines are in virtually everything. road graders, Excavators, Dump trucks, semi trucks,. fire tenders, cranes etc...some Companies like TATA have their entire Heavy Duty truck lineup based on the cummins 5.9 and 6.7. . to find it in a "Luxury" pickup in the US is not only shocking but its waay overkill for whatever application that truck is going to be used in.
Great video. My son bought a 2021 2500 back in June of 21. It is the same Delmonico Red as the truck you show here. It is an absolute wonderful truck to drive. I have owned 2 Cummins myself, a 1993 5.9 with the Getrag 5 speed and a 1998 5.9 12 valve with the NV4500 5-speed. While I really liked the manual behind the Cummins, the new 6.7 auto makes a great package in the recent generation truck. Now I am considering one myself. I noticed that Cummins now puts the CP3 fuel pump on the engine which arguably is a more durable pump that the CP4 it replaced. One thing I will ask: There are lot of people out there talking about deletion of the emissions. This can bring in all kinds of unwanted issues with inspection, warranty, DOT fines if caught, etc. What, if any, concerns should a buyer be aware of specifically related to the emissions systems on these trucks? Quite franky, I remember the day when idling my old 5.9s would fill the neighborhood with smelly exhaust particularly on a cold morning. My son's truck runs amazingly clean. And it makes way more power than either of my old trucks did.
It's not that the emissions system are boomed to fail and yes a modern diesel can run for hours inside a shop and you wouldn't even notice, they are super clean. but in colder climates like Canada def does not like the cold. it can freeze and become an issue. there are also just a lot of sensors and wiring on the exhaust system which gets hot and cold day in and out and when those sensor fail it will completely de-rate the truck. the systems have gotten better over the years but there is just alot of things to go wrong and when they do you'll be limited the truck to like 10km an hour in limp mode. whereas if your O2 sensor failed on a gas engine, it would throw a check engine light but you could in theory drive it for weeks until it got fixed.
I was gonna ask the same question as I would love to own a 5th gen Cummins But would love for it to have the diesel sound and whistle. I’ve never owned a diesel But been a trucker driver for almost 24 years. I really don’t know much about them Just know I’ve always thought of owning one. I’m sick of piss ant 1500’s. Plus you don’t have to lift or put a decent lift on a 2500 so it can still be used in the winters up here in Upper Michigan as a year round truck. My current 17 Ram 1500 on 9” lift is probably useless and gets complete shit for mpg. I’m guessing these new ones hopefully get mid to upper mpgs and more so when deleted? Any idea how much it is to delete these brand new or newer 5th Gens? Can you put an X pipe glasspack muffler combo on a diesel like I just had installed on my Ram and get same sound? Thanks
@Nite Train my 2014 2500 is fully deleted. I average about 18/19 mpg. On the highway, that can get as high as 25mpg. As for the exhaust, mine is 4 inch and straight piped. Some people hate how loud it is, I personally love it. On a cold morning (For Florida, that's about 30 degrees Fahrenheit), turn the exhaust brake on while it's warming up and enjoy the sound of your jet engine lol.
@paul Butler; my 2019 Cummins has been recalled because of the fuel pump. There is no replacement part available. Do you know if the 2019's had the CP3 or CP4 pump? I don't know which one has been recalled. And neither does my RAM Dealer LOL
I agree with you that the Cummings is a good diesel engine. The challenge is all the other stuff that goes along with the ram truck transmissions etc. I still think I’d rather have a Ford or GM diesel. That’s just my opinion for what it’s worth
Fair point. I do believe i've read that ram is looking into a new trans for its heavy duty trucks. Either a heavy spec 8 or 10 speed ZF. Or potentially a contract with allison as GM's exclusive contract with them is up. And I know alot of commercial trucks that run an ISB cummins (6.7) with an allison trans behind it so it would be awesome to see that combo
I purchased my first Dodge with cummins in 1999, 2500 4x4. I towed horse a 24' GN 4 horse trailer all over the NC, VA & TN mountains. Traded that truck at 251k miles, running and towing like a champ. Got a 2005 3500 dually 4x4 with 68 RFE trans, stepped up to a 44' full living quarters 4 horse trailer. Probably 40k miles of me owning that truck was towing the horse trailer around the mountains and a 24' GN with skid steer and attachments. Traded that truck at 207k miles, running and towing like a champ. Neither truck had transmission problems, both trucks needed fuel pumps around 125k-150k miles, the 1999 needed front wheel bearings around 180k miles. Other than that, just typical maintenance items. Both trucks were 100% stock and I stayed on top of maintenance. Some mechanics said I went overboard on servicing because I had the trans serviced, diffs and transfer case fluids changed more often than recommended, but that's because I towed heavy a lot. Maybe I did, but I never had drive train problems. I now have a 2017 3500 dually, crew cab, LB, Limited 4x4 with HO 6.7 and Aisin trans, it's a beast with a heavy load. Hotshot guys loved the new Fords with 10 speed trans, until they started have serious trans issues.
People are referring to dodge trannys from 20 yrs ago. It gets old. Although i dont like how 68 shifts they have been very durable for us. Ram would be smart to get new hd tranny for marketing if nothin else
I have always been a diehard Cummins fanboy too but as problematic and finicky as they are, the Navistar power strokes were used in medium duty trucks under alternate naming. The 7.3 was called T444E, and the 6.0 was called VT-365 both indicating CI displacement, and the infamous 6.4 was called Maxxforce 7 which had better pistons than fords version. And navistar is still using the engine. Also the powerstrokes have always been under square and the latest 6.7 produces it’s torque at low rpm. V8 diesels also have their advantages: they have less friction because they have fewer crank bearings, they are lighter, and more compact just to name a few. They have been used for many applications for years, especially in applications where space is a concern: mining dump trucks, trains gensets, and especially compact vehicles: Tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, fire trucks etc. look up an old engine called a 903 Cummins it was used for many applications, also we can’t forget the 3208 Cat or the old 2-stroke detroits used in everything you can think of, they sound like they are turning twice as fast as they actually are and are perhaps the most under square engines ever built. The b model Cummins was not designed for pickups but for heavy applications, but Cummins actually did design a pickup engine recently and guess what! it was a V8 ( the 5.0 used in the Nissan Titan. So the V8 design defiantly has its advantages. Also the V8 is much smoother than I6 design, for one thing it has a balanced firing order, secondly it has more cylinders which always makes an engine smoother! But the big reason why the V design is smoother is because the pistons are going in different directions instead of all up and down. I know this from experience because I grew up on the road in a bus with a music act and we had busses with v8 and in-line 6 The duramax is a great, bulletproof engine and it’s predecessor, the 6.5 Detroit is also if you get the bugs worked out of it. The 6.5 Detroit has been used in military humvees for years I would rather work on a dodge Cummins than any other pickup diesel because everything is just so much easier to get to, also the design is so simple and straightforward The duramax is over square, and it shows up in the poor towing mpg and lack of low end torque, but they are a much cleaner, simpler engine design than the power stroke for example: they simply have a straightforward normal, traditional diesel engine design with Bosch common rail where ford has had all kinds of weird stuff: The pre 7.3 and 6.0 had the insanely over complicated HEUI system which used pressurized oil to run the injectors and the turbo veins on the 6.0 It worked ok on the 7.3 because it was actually designed by Caterpillar and built like a tank, but was a complete disaster on the 6.0 The 6.7 power stroke is also an extremely weird design So I’d rather work on a duramax than a powerstroke, but a the Ram Cummins is still easier to work on
I agree that the in-line configuration is better but the power stroke fans will say that the 2020 power stroke produces more torque and at a lower RPM than the ram 6.7 Cummins
I still love driving my 2003 with the 5.9l Cummins. It has over 352,000 miles and I wouldn’t hesitate to drive cross country towing a heavy load with it. In fact, I have a 32 foot fifth wheel that I tow with it.
I have a 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 hd 6.7 diesel and I can tell you the D.P.F. got clogged with soot and blew my turbo but after deleting all the emissions and chipping it it's been a very reliable fast truck tows nicely.
Got a 8.9 Cummings in my rv and I thought a duramax was a great motor as I have owned 3…..I think I am gonna trade in my LTZ Chevy going diesel cumming thanks all!!!
Only bad thing about a diesel engine in a 2500 is it takes away almost a grand on payload . It's better in a 3500 , 4500 or 5500 unless you are planning on only towing with the 2500 then the diesel is best as long as you don't fifth wheel . This is the thing I'm learning now wanting to trade my 1500 Ram so I can buy a fifth wheel camper ... I tow a 25 foot travel trailer now with my 1500 .
True, but who cares? I don't put more than probably 500 pounds of tools in my truck, ever. All the rest of the weight is myself and the trailer. You can tow a 16k trailer under cdl with a 2500, since the GVWR is 10k. It takes a CDL to tow a 16k trailer with a 3500 as the GVWR is around 11,200 pounds, or you're limited to an approx. 14,500 pound trailer. Yes, a 3500 has more maximum towing ability (around 33,000 pounds). But for me, without a CDL, I'd never be able to use it, so why decrease the under-CDL towing capacity?
@@4.0gpa44 Don't need a CDL to tow with a pickup in my state or the states I go to but I get your point , the Ram 2500 gas fits the fifth wheel payload I'm planning to buy but the diesel 2500 didn't was really my main point .
@@alaska-bornfloridaman my 4500 c&c is pure work horse. Can't wait to get her deleted. I haul a crap load of hvac equipment, tools, fittings, etc. It presently gets 11.76 mpg. It also has a barn door for a tool body.
I do want to give Ford a bit of credit. For years they used international engines from the 6.9 IDI to the 6.4 power stroke. Honestly I have no idea why International couldn’t keep up as they have been producing engines for years. But Ford designed the 6.7 in house I believe and for their first Diesel engine to be designed, manufactured and put in their truck lineup that does compete with Cummins and has a descent share of the market is amazing. And out of the big 3, they are the only ones that build their own Diesel engine for these pickups from what I aware of.
but then you have the 2011- Current ford 6.7 equipped with the CP4 fuel pump which destroys everything. Duramax has it from 2011-current & ram 2019-2020.
They are designed for Utility use. But they are competitive for commercial/industrial use which makes them ultra competitive for utility power generation.
The data is incorrect saying their are no PowerStroke or Duramax’s in medium duty trucks. I sell a lot of trucks 19,500 and heavier gvw with these engines.
cant comment on the cummins, i do have a 06 2500hd with 175k that has had no engine issues at all. on my 3rd set of glow plugs but still runs like a top and gets 21-23 empty and great mpg pulling my rv and sxs's.
UPDATE: In Dec. 2022, my RAM had the fuel pump replaced with a CP3 under warranty. The following was written by me in May 2022. There is an issue with the 2019's. Not the engine but the high pressure fuel pumps. They've been recalled. The BIG problem is, they have yet to manufacture an adequate replacement. So we are driving around not knowing when our big, beautiful Cummins engine will quit. I have a big camping trip planned in July, and I'm concerned.
The Engines are good for someone that still turns their own wrenches and wants to do some of their own maintenance. There are however some design flaws when it comes to placing them in a RAM. Ridiculous placement of an oil filter, why wasn't an oil filter relocation thought of for it?! Fuel filter right on the Engine where it's difficult to get at from either angle unless you remove the wheel well cover on the driver's side. That couldn't have been relocated to the frame somewhere? At least the filter at the tank is one you can work with without so much stuff in the way. The transmissions that FCA chose for the RAMs are garbage and in no way represent what a HD transmission is nor do they even get a mention in that class. The Cummins is being murdered by the dumb torque management software from the TCM in between shifts. What a way to destroy a well balanced diesel by constantly derating it between shifts to prevent transmission damage because the engine is such a torque beast. If it's such a torque beast why not mate it to a transmission that can actually handle it?! I own a 2014 RAM 3500 and never in my life have I had such a displeasure in how a transmission shifts and the constant rattle of the engine while the transmission is shifting due to derating!
Hmm the OEM fuel filter location on my '03 is on the firewall, not on the engine... I thought they stopped putting the filters on the engine on the 2nd gens? It only takes me less than 3-4 minutes to change my factory mounted one plus the 2micron CAT filter I added after it. Definitely agree with you on the trans issues. That's why I bought a manual truck. Throw on a South Bend clutch rated for 900ft/lbs of torque and you're good to go! Feels almost identical to the OEM clutch
I love my 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins, I drove the GMC and the Ford and they did not feel as fast maybe because the Ram has a lower redline. Also the ride quality on the Ram cannot be touched. If you drive them back to back you will see what I am talking about. The GMC would skip over bumps in the rear and felt horrible, the Ford was a little better then GMC but when you drive the Ram it is night and day for ride quality. I only wish they would offer an 8 speed in the Ram, not sure you need 10 speed. They have those heavy duty 8 speed they use in the Hellcat I am sure they could engineer those for the truck.
I think RAM is in the works with ZF to bring a heavy duty 8 speed to the 2500/3500 line up. they are possibly working with Allison also which would be cool. Either way, I think we'll see a new transmission for these trucks sooner then later!
@@TheGettyAdventures The Ram is light years ahead with the Cummins and when that ZF 8 Speed hits it will not even be close in 3/4 ton market. Maybe they will offer the H.O. Cummins with the 8 speed in the 2500 that would make me upgrade for sure! The standard Cummins should be the 400hp 1,000 torque engine and the H.O. should be 450hp. They also need to beef up the payload capacity a little, maybe the air bag rear suspension does that? Either way love my Ram.
I could not disagree more. My company has all three of the HD trucks. They all have good and bad points. As the owner I choose which I drive. The Chevy definitely has the better ride. Followed by Ram. All if the Fords shake at 48 mph. Ford admitted they shook but it was acceptable. Ram has unbelievable power at the low end. Ram has the best exhaust break by far. As for Ford. I will not drive them. I refer to them as the milk shake maker.
@@davehudson1554 obviously it is personal preference but if your telling me and outdated leaf HD spring suspension rides better then coils you must work for Chevy. There is a reason everyone when away from them including now Toyota. The rear suspension on the GMC I drove was so tight it bounced over every bump. Now if you are talking about pulling a trailer and loaded that I do not know for the GMC. I have pulled an 8,000 pound trailer with my Ram and it rode and drove like there was nothing back there. Not even sure why you are watching this if you so die hard Chevy that you can't have an open mind.
I have a 21 Ram 1500 limited 5.7 hemi.. nice truck, rides like an expensive car. Just got a new Ram 2500 with Cummings for work ... the 1500 stays home most days 😆
I have a new 2022 Dodge dually with the diesel. I sold my camper but I'm told these trucks are NOT good for around town driving. Not good to let idle. So just let my truck sit?
Just sold my 2019 Ram Cummins. The engine is nice the truck is solid the transmission, the infamous 68RFE is literally a reworked minivan tranny. They need to get their shit together and offer a real transmission and they would be set.
I'm on my 2nd dodge Cummins pickup. I'm a farmkid who's been around diesel engines for 50 yrs. The Cummins is far superior to the V8 diesel. 33% less moving parts to begin with. Really low end torque along with alot lower operating RPM which means longer engine life along with serviceability. Aluminum in a diesel is a sour idea at best and thats what duramax and the newer powerstrokes seem to be made of. Simplicity in design is always much better than complexity.
Stock the Cummins is under powered, I have a 2015 Cummins and a 2012 powerstroke and the powerstroke walks circles around the Cummins when pulling, overall power, how fast they get up to hwy hwy speeds. I just like the looks of the dodge more.also my Cummins had to have a new motor at 47k miles do to a spun bearing. Thank god for a warranty.
any aftertreatment code really, I've seen so many trucks come in de-rated and it takes hours to find a rubbed through wire somewhere along the harness to a useless temp sensor that disables the whole truck. it's sad to be honest.
I mean ya at one point they did but the C13 and C15 were way better engines for the application. Detroit diesel also made a bunch of V8's which were sick engines
TFL truck ran the Ike gauntlet with a 2500 Limited and a 2500 Duramax. The Ram ran 9.0 mpg and the Chevy did 8.2 towing the same weight up and down the mountain. Also the engine brake works so well they didn't have to use it a single time going down the mountain edit: I mean they didn't have to use the regular brakes while running the automatic engine brake. Brain fart
The 2008 was the greatest, in recent history. Because it was so EZ to drop 500 pounds on a afternoon for $500 . And what ya got was a total deleted truck with a 6.7 that will last and last with no issues ever. Love it! Would NEVER EVER buy a newer one.
This got me curious so I decided to look it up. The 6.7 powerstroke is over square like the Cummins, and the duramax is under square. This also explains why the powerstrokes tend to have better torque delivery than the duramax. But the duramax is “capable” of more HP and higher RPM’s. Especially with a tune.
Duramax is in GM's medium duty trucks. The T444E are in mass transit and school buses. If it weren't for emissions. Ford may never have gotten rid of the 7.3 To many what ifs to compare them this way. The 6.7 Cummins is pretty hard on head gaskets. Not as bad has the LLY but with studs you're good with either. The Cummins is a good engine but this was a pretty bias review. The 6.7 Cummins actually makes it's max torque at a higher RPM the the Duramax. 1800 rpm vs 1600 rpm. Yes, Cummins has a higher max torque currently. We will see when the new Duramax is announced.
I mean they just are better engines bias or not. obviously not perfect engines but they are built to take abuse in a commercial applications. As far as the Duramax making max torque at lower rpms I'd be interested at the whole torque curve. Big rigs are shifting gears at 1500 rpm. 1800rpm is getting close to an over speed on those big diesels. my points is diesels like to work between 600-1200 rpms. what's the torque curve at those rpms. I would imagine these modern engines are pretty similar but it would be interesting to see. I have nothing against the Duramax or Powerstroke. This video was intended to just highlight why the Cummins is a good engine. But as you pointed out my bias was probably very obvious lol
@@TheGettyAdventures Can't compare big rig engines and these truck engines together. RPM ranges are way different. I didn't say the Cummins was a bad engine. If that's how I came through, my bad. The Cummins is a good engine but in the hd truck market. The Duramax and Powerstroke are very competitive. Years ago the Cummins had an advantage but in today's market not so much. They're all pretty good.
i drive a school bus everyday at full passenger capacity and have no issues with the cummins engine. only thing better is a caterpillar , just too bad they no longer build engines for heavy duty trucks.
I like how I can climb right in and SEE AND FIX EVERYTHING! Can't even get half a paw between fender wells on those overly complicated V8 contraptions. Just the wiring harness nightmare scares me away. What a joke.
I have a repowed 93 Gmc with 5.9 Cummins still going strong. Rust and transmission issues is the only thing slowing this workhorse down. And also 09 Dodge 6.7 daily driver now. Neither have had any engine issues with either. Combined mileage between the two is well over a million miles. You are wrong about the V8 used in medium trucks and school busses. Our school division had so much trouble with the v8 diesels that they are going back to gasser busses. The biggest kicker being the unreliability of the emissions systems.
The 6bt and the 4bt are the two small diesel engines found in the industrial and " marine " application, I was installing Cummins 6and 4 bt engines in boats long before Dodge ever got intresred in them back in The mid 80s. If you really want to find out how an engine will perform , put it in the marine world. Penske tried it with the 6.2 v8 didn't work out so well I was present on one of the only start up's. I have never seen a power stroke or an old 6.9 in the marine world, it all comes down to preference as to which engine one wants.
You Should look into the BMW Diesel M57 inline 6, they run compound turbos from factory. Very interesting engines even though they aren't a truck engine.
As a Ford guy, i believe the Cummins is overall the best diesel pickup engine you can buy. However the truck wrapped around that engine has always been the problem for me. The auto transmissions and brakes were absolute trash on the early trucks. The interiors and electrical were trash on the newer ones. I think they have most of the issues worked out but now they are foreign owned by Stellantis. If I could only get a Cummins engine factory installed in my ford pickup I would be a happy man.
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Im a huge Cummins fan, but I feel people also forget to mention that its 2/3's of a v8. That's 2 less injectors I have to buy, that's only 1 head gasket, not 2, one. Its in a straight 6 formation, I dont have to worry about disassembling the intake manifold or going through a mess of pipes, the turbo is right there, everything is right there. I don't gotta worry about glow plugs. There is 2/3's the moving parts to worry about. Cummins is in fact superior
wonderful points! 100% correct, simpler engine all round yet still packs a big punch.
Your right.....you WILL need to work on it!
While C is the best engine by far, it's too bad its wrapped in a crappy truck.
@@bobjackson4287 Its a great motor but the emissions are killing the reliability of it.
@@donstaggs3827 Depends on what version of Cummins, 5.9 did not really have that problem at all. 6.7 does but can be deleted.
The 6.7L Cummins is a well built engine like you said and it can be even more reliable when you do a full emission equipment delete
Absolutely. I wanted to just talk about the engine but yes ripping the EGR the filters will make this engines run much better
Have a 2016 myself and the emissions equipment has mysteriously disappeared. Truck runs so much better. It's like breathing with one lung vs two lungs.
But these new engines are not designed to run without egr and that's why people have problems out of there trucks the engines are not designed to run without em
@@stevenhooten4275 Well @Steven Hooten your just wrong. These engines are never “designed” to run on their own exhaust, the American EPA wants our personal trucks adapted with EGR & Particulate filters which make our personal trucks loose 20% + fuel economy, cut Engine Life by 33% + Facts. Plus, these emissions parts are unreliable, short lived and EXPENSIVE ($5k to $10k) costly replacements @ around 80,000 miles. Tunes are easily adaptable to the current generation Diesel engines. My 2018 F350 fully deleted with an Easy Link tune gets 24mpg and 13.4 mpg towing my 9000lb Airstream. 50,000 miles, 100% reliable.
@@stevenhooten4275 what? No engine was ever designed to run on exhaust gas. Tell me why they run better, get better fuel economy and are more reliable without all the emissions garbage?
Definitely can agree, I've had my 2006 Cummins 2500 for 14 years and the only things I've replaced on the engine is a water pump and injectors....That is it and still going strong, my truck has 335,000 miles and is awesome
they are good stuff
I also own an 06 5.9 Cummins. I've replaced my water pump, that's it. Of course, I'm only at 176K miles, so roughly half of your truck!
I also got 06 ram 2500 350000 Miles still runns like bring new all I replace weather pump 3 times
My 05 has only replaced serpentine belt at 145k no brakes or water or injectors but Iam a old truck driver and I have never turned over 22 hundred RPM. I have been told all my life that only thing that kills a diesel is heat and RPM’s.
Had same year in past it went 1.5 mil before she blew damn tough engine.
I think the best truck would be a Cummins engine backed with an Allison transmission in a Ford body. Just my opinion.
Or the new Ford torq shift tranny that comes wit the 6.7 power stroke they are actually one of the best out now
I think the 4speed transmission that came with the rams is one the best trannys ever built. The 48re is awesome when built properly.
@@markrich3271 those are great tranny’s but as far as stock goes the Ford torq shift are Stout
I’m with you and then Chevy interior haha seriously
Yes
Been a technician for 27 years. Just got my first diesel truck 2021 Ram diesel and love it! Took me years to buy one but for my hard earn money and experience the Cummins wins. 6 in a row ready to tow!
It's everything wrapped around the Cummins that is just crap. Ram has no concept of quality control.
I own a 2017 3500 limited single rear wheel and I absolutely love it. I pull double trailers. A 30 foot fifth wheel and enclosed utility trailer behind that. 65 foot total length. Almost completely stock emissions intact. It's a beast!
Thanks for confirming my experience and explaining the technical reasons why my 2006, Ram 3500 is such a great truck. So glad I bought it 18 years ago. It’s still going strong.
Can't forget about having a manual trans option up to 2018. I've got a 2016 cummins with a G56, deleted and tuned with a south bend clutch. It's amazing! My new favourite eng/trans combo. It's a pleasure to tow with and rev match downshifting with the exhaust brake puts a smile on my face.
I got one too and its absolutely my favorite vehicle I have ever owned and I have owned many from hellcats to cobras to a lifted 7.3 on 40s and there is no comparison
Yeah I got a 2018 ram 3500 4x4 SRW cummins with manual tranny. So happy with it and probably only guy in So Cal with one...lol. I'll keep this bad boy forever
@@brocklee1996 watch it will be a collectors item one day!!! I am definitely keeping mine and I am in NC and people are shocked here that it has a manual
@@brocklee1996 you're the second😁
We have both, Ford F-250 Super Duty's with the 6.7 Power Strokes and Ram 2500's with the Cummin's diesels. In face we have ordered 30 new Ram 2500's with the Cummins and so far received 17 of them. We pull Big Tex Goosenecks and some heavy car hauler trailers. I have not ran into any issue pulling anything with either of the trucks. What I have noticed is the Ford has way more get up and go on take off or when passing anther vehicle and has a smoother ride. Also two of the new Dodges are now in the shop with less that 6000 miles on them. They have fuel delivery problems due to the fuel pumps. From what I have been told this is a issue that Stellantis is going to address with a recall but it don't hemp much when I have trucks breaking down in several states.
Any updates on your new 2500s? Any new breakdowns? Any other issues? How are your f250s as well?
@@davidc5808 I am no longer with that company, I left for a civilian job in the Federal government.
Good video and you are correct about this engine. Ive had three Ram 3500 in the past and still own one today. All were high mileage trucks that were all deleted and caused no issues. The same cannot be said about the trucks but the engine is flawless.
@@Pedro-0839 Personally, I tend to always buy new. Been stung a couple times on the used purchase and I hate fixing what someone else broke.
How do you get those programs deleted
@@yooo2568 In my part of Canada, deletes are still available.
Truth!!
I’ve been driving Cummins pickups for years. By far the most dependable, longest lasting pickup engines ever built. I have several 5.9 engines with 600k and still running good. I also have had several 6.7 engines that have been just as dependable as the 5.9.
great engines! built and designed to be abused for commercial use which is why they last so long.
@@TheGettyAdventures Just like diesel trucks should be!
Cummins engines are so easy to work on and that true commercial diesel sound it makes just love it..
Thanks and yes, I totally agree using a 12 valve 5.9 Cummins with ~ 300+ hp and 500.000 + miles on it!
For a couple years I installed these retrofit 4 cylinder Cummins engines into bread trucks to replace the underpowered Ford 300 straight 6's. I was really impressed with the power output. They are a little weird when adapted to a gasoline engine stick shift transmission but I liked them. As my boss at the time told me the 4 banger is identical to the 5.9L straight 6 just missing front and rear cylinders. These adapters for the transmissions looked like massive wasp nest, guess they can adapt to anything for real.
Hi can you tell me how hard that was I'm looking to add a cummings for a econoline
I’ve driven cross country quite a bit. The majority of HD pickup trucks on the interstate towing big loads are Rams. You see them way more than any other truck on the road.
Can’t argue with this. I’ve owned a 5.9 Cummins and a 6.7 Powerstroke. Love them both.
My Aissen in my last 2014 was perfectly paired to the 6.7. !58K and zero issues. LOVE the Aissen and Cummins pairing. I heard the new ones are improved. I hope they are not improved in a way that would make them less reliable...
Awesome video man!! I wish Cat would make a small displacement 4 cylinder diesel engine for light duty trucks. I had a Cat C-15 in my dump truck and that engine was indestructible!! I ran that truck at 2000 plus rpms and drove it like I stole it!! Honestly I think Cat is a better engine then Cummins in Semi's.
Ohh ya alot of engines are better then the ISX cummins. I'd run a cat or a 60 series before a cummins. There decent engines for trucking but not the best in my opinion. But in the pick up truck market cummins is the clear winner lol. At yes it was always odd why GM or Ford didnt jump all over that. Imagine a GM with a Cat engine in it. You could market that so well!
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That would be awesome!! Could you imagine the rivalry that would spark between Ram and GM.... 🤩
@@stevenpeterson7234 A GM might be worth a second look at that point, or even a contender.
Now? GM isn't even in the running by my reckon.
@@TheGettyAdventures I think the GM Duramax was a joint (development) venture with Isuzu in the 90's. They probably made the decision based on cost. I would guess they considered Cat and others.
Cat horsepower was amazing, but Cummins always had better efficiency and then after the 1990s and the 444 Cummins, they went bigger and started crushing the competition!
They are most likely the most dependable. They are more fuel efficient as well . The powestroke though is the most powerful diesel engine in the pickups. Also the most costly to maintain compared to the cummins, which is easier to work on to.
You can also put 700,000 miles on a Cummins with no worries and put 1 million before having to rebuild them. Where the Power Stroke and Duramax are needed rebuilt at about 500,000.
Well these engines arent lined so it would make an inframe a little tough. Block would probably have to be machined but your point is valid these engines will run longer then the competition
Thats funny I know a few ford 6.7s bone stock never opened with over a million km on them. Also a few duramamx with over 800 thousand km.
@@snipersam204 I get your point but just to clarify... Chad's comment mentioned running 1 million miles but you are comparing with kilometers. A million km is slightly over 621K miles which is significantly less, comparatively speaking.
Long time Super Duty owner that went RAM/Cummins on the most recent purchase. I couldn't be more happy with this truck, unlike the Ford's, I plan to keep this truck around for many years.
Not to downing your decision but just seen a fairly new dodge with billet stainless steel ball joints in it 1000 plus dollars
@@Hereford1020 They all have their issues, front ends on RAM's have always needed upgrades over time.
I currently work in truck rental, and I have driven all three of the 2500 diesel motors between ford, gm, and ram. Now prior to working at this job, I would have never even considered getting a diesel powered anything, because I was in love with a gas V8 for my truck, and that's what I wanted to stick to. But then, one day, I drove the ram 2500 with the Cummins.
O.M.G.
I have not been shopping for a Ram 2500 4 wheel drive with the Cummins LOL not only is his engine better driving than the general motors or Ford competition, it's better in terms of power and performance in my opinion then even a gasoline V8. Not to mention, it also is more fuel efficient, and OMG the sheer amount of pull this motor has with all of that torque, it's completely addictive. I don't tell anything, I don't haul anything. I like to go off-road, and that's about as heavy duty as I get with a truck. With that all said, I think the ran with the Cummins is a perfect truck for the job
The under square and straight six info was really interesting Alex - great video thanks and have an awesome day. Cheers
I thought so too. Different engines for different application is kind of what it comes down to i guess.
One more thing. In 1980 I drove GMC 45 passenger busses that came with Detroit L92s. They were retrofitted with cummins 650hp V8s. I got one up to 110 mph on the autobahn. If you have a L92 and it doesn't leak oil, shut it off. It's out of oil. L92s were in the M911 Heavy Equipment Transporters, Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Trucks, and Palitized Loading Systems. HP ratings went from 415 up to 500.
I would of loved to hear that v8 Cummins. 650 horsepower back then is no joke. the newest big DD16's only come with like 600.
The v92 series Detroit's as well as all their 2 strokes leaked oil from the air box drain. That oil was simply typical oil consumption that would get past the rings but instead of being burned in the cylinder like a four stroke, it was allowed to leave the engine before getting to the combustion chamber. If they had simply routed those drains back into the oil pan they wouldn't have used or leaked any more oil than any other engine. They likely didn't route the drains to the oil pan due to the air box pressure that also would come along with the oil.
The duramax has been used in medium duty applications, was offered in the Chevy kodiak and Gmc topkick. Today it is offered in the new Silverado medium duty trucks and international CV. The 6.7 power stroke is offered in the F650 and 750. The V8 diesels have definitely been used in medium duty applications.
well ya because it's a gm product lol why pay to license another diesel when you have your own. international has a contract with gm and that "international" is a glorified gm pick up. but have you seen like a medium duty freight liner or Kenworth use a duramax? maybe a school bus or a city bus? probably not. look I'm not trying to hate on the duramax I actually kind of like them. they make great power. but the commercial trucking industry does not use consumer engines in their products. the cummins is a commercial grade engine whereas the powerstroke and duramax are not.
@@TheGettyAdventures they use cummins cause they own the diesel industry and that doesn't mean there superior in any way they are decent but not great throw numbers all you like cat is where it is yes they stop making motors and that's cause of the emissions crap cummins had ford and chevy that owned stocks in cummins
Isuzu that is all.
@@stevenhooten4275 The only ones who believe that Cat made the best engines are people who wear the yellow underwear. Cat is not bad but they were not the perfect platform either. It took Detroit Diesel to come out with the Series 60 to get Cat off their a$$ to start improving their lineup to be half way competitive. Just like the Harley Davidson mindset of people buying the name more than the product. I have never been a Cummins fan in heavy trucks but in the pickup market they are probably the best option going.
Yeah those vehicles you speak of I would consider to be home owner small farm at best not drop dead commercial
In 2006, I moved from Portland, OR to DFW TX area. I was pulling a Travel Trailer 26' long with a fully loaded '89 F-250 H.D with a LWB. I had a 460 with 5-speed stick, Banks Power Pack, EFI, Headers & Intake tract. It was over 20 years before Dodges with Cummins would out pull the old beast. They got better mileage, but 2 different new dodges with similar sized trailers challenged me on mountain uphill pulls & they lost, 6-0. They'd blast by me on the bottom, & I'd pass 'em in 4th about 1/2 way up. That truck has had 2 more owners & is STILL doing great. Now days, I have a 6.0 L that runs fine, doesn't leak & has never had the heads off. But, I do like Dodges; it's American Iron.
In October I purchased a 2022 patriot blue midnight edition like yours don't have the led lights which I miss but overall, a great looking truck. So far, I have 2800 miles on it. Great job bro! I feel happy with my purchase even more watching your video coming from a diesel mechanic.
they are the real deal my man!
The testing of the Cummins engine in a pickup was in a 1979 Ford pickup from Triline in Calgary, Alberta Canada
I do fully agree, the only problem is, the transmission is weak…
My personal favorite engine in a passenger vehicle is the Mercedes OM617a. From a longevity standpoint they do have a leg up on the Cummins. Lots of those engines out there in generator setups pushing 40-50,000hrs on the motors. A good friend of mine was Mercedes tech in Germany that was part of the original design team that released the W123 chassis cars and he talked a lot about some of the engineering that went into those motors. Only thing that killed them was running them too cold. My own 300td has over 750k on the car and it’s untouched. I have owned the car since it had about 120k on it and the only repairs have been the water pump and the oil filter blocks o rings where it mounts to the block. Other than that just regular valve adjustments and normal maintenance. Oh I did do the timing chain and tensioner around 400k and the tensioner is getting near maxed out again. I’m a Cummins guy and have worked on a lot of different diesels but that engine, I have a real soft spot for!
Not taking anything away from the Mercedes engine but they do two different things in a automobile
@@toddfolmsbee2429 the om617 was designed as an industrial motor and then put in vehicles and the original German durability ratings were higher than b10 500,000mi. They don’t get worked that hard in the cars but that can be hard on an engine in its own way
The main reason "Big Rigs" use I6 engines is not the inherent torque advantage, that advantage is negligible. Packaging, ease of manufacture, ease of maintenance, are the main reasons. Trucking margins are tight and I6s are less costly to keep on the road. Nice vid. ✌️
agreed, simple engines for the most part!
A small correction: Cummins didn't bring exhaust brakes into commonplace, Jacobs Vehicle Systems did. Cummins just sourced the exhaust brake from Jacobs. I have a factory option Jacobs/Cummins exhaust brake in my '03. Love it. Funny now that Cummins bought Jacobs Vehicle Systems recently, as well as Holset. Which means Cummins now makes everything for their engines under one roof. Pretty cool. Just hoping it doesn't lead to lower QC!
Actually, yes Clesse Cummins did design the first diesel compression brake. It was marketed under Jacobs Engine Brake so that it could be used on other big engine manufacturers engines as well vs being only Cummins exclusive.
here in Africa the Cummins B series engines are in virtually everything. road graders, Excavators, Dump trucks, semi trucks,. fire tenders, cranes etc...some Companies like TATA have their entire Heavy Duty truck lineup based on the cummins 5.9 and 6.7. . to find it in a "Luxury" pickup in the US is not only shocking but its waay overkill for whatever application that truck is going to be used in.
Thanks man, your insight helped solidify my decision to purchase a 4th gen 2500. First vehicle I consider an investment.
Great video. My son bought a 2021 2500 back in June of 21. It is the same Delmonico Red as the truck you show here. It is an absolute wonderful truck to drive. I have owned 2 Cummins myself, a 1993 5.9 with the Getrag 5 speed and a 1998 5.9 12 valve with the NV4500 5-speed. While I really liked the manual behind the Cummins, the new 6.7 auto makes a great package in the recent generation truck. Now I am considering one myself. I noticed that Cummins now puts the CP3 fuel pump on the engine which arguably is a more durable pump that the CP4 it replaced. One thing I will ask: There are lot of people out there talking about deletion of the emissions. This can bring in all kinds of unwanted issues with inspection, warranty, DOT fines if caught, etc. What, if any, concerns should a buyer be aware of specifically related to the emissions systems on these trucks? Quite franky, I remember the day when idling my old 5.9s would fill the neighborhood with smelly exhaust particularly on a cold morning. My son's truck runs amazingly clean. And it makes way more power than either of my old trucks did.
It's not that the emissions system are boomed to fail and yes a modern diesel can run for hours inside a shop and you wouldn't even notice, they are super clean. but in colder climates like Canada def does not like the cold. it can freeze and become an issue. there are also just a lot of sensors and wiring on the exhaust system which gets hot and cold day in and out and when those sensor fail it will completely de-rate the truck. the systems have gotten better over the years but there is just alot of things to go wrong and when they do you'll be limited the truck to like 10km an hour in limp mode. whereas if your O2 sensor failed on a gas engine, it would throw a check engine light but you could in theory drive it for weeks until it got fixed.
I was gonna ask the same question as I would love to own a 5th gen Cummins But would love for it to have the diesel sound and whistle. I’ve never owned a diesel But been a trucker driver for almost 24 years. I really don’t know much about them Just know I’ve always thought of owning one. I’m sick of piss ant 1500’s. Plus you don’t have to lift or put a decent lift on a 2500 so it can still be used in the winters up here in Upper Michigan as a year round truck. My current 17 Ram 1500 on 9” lift is probably useless and gets complete shit for mpg. I’m guessing these new ones hopefully get mid to upper mpgs and more so when deleted? Any idea how much it is to delete these brand new or newer 5th Gens? Can you put an X pipe glasspack muffler combo on a diesel like I just had installed on my Ram and get same sound? Thanks
@Nite Train my 2014 2500 is fully deleted. I average about 18/19 mpg. On the highway, that can get as high as 25mpg. As for the exhaust, mine is 4 inch and straight piped. Some people hate how loud it is, I personally love it. On a cold morning (For Florida, that's about 30 degrees Fahrenheit), turn the exhaust brake on while it's warming up and enjoy the sound of your jet engine lol.
@paul Butler; my 2019 Cummins has been recalled because of the fuel pump. There is no replacement part available. Do you know if the 2019's had the CP3 or CP4 pump? I don't know which one has been recalled. And neither does my RAM Dealer LOL
@@46fd04 my understanding is that Cummins put the CP3 pump on the 2021 models replacing the CP4 in previous years.
I agree with you that the Cummings is a good diesel engine. The challenge is all the other stuff that goes along with the ram truck transmissions etc. I still think I’d rather have a Ford or GM diesel. That’s just my opinion for what it’s worth
Fair point. I do believe i've read that ram is looking into a new trans for its heavy duty trucks. Either a heavy spec 8 or 10 speed ZF. Or potentially a contract with allison as GM's exclusive contract with them is up. And I know alot of commercial trucks that run an ISB cummins (6.7) with an allison trans behind it so it would be awesome to see that combo
Outside the tranny, I'm not sure what other stuff you are referencing. I've got a 2015 3500 with the 68RFE pulling a 16,000 RV. I'm trouble free.
I purchased my first Dodge with cummins in 1999, 2500 4x4. I towed horse a 24' GN 4 horse trailer all over the NC, VA & TN mountains. Traded that truck at 251k miles, running and towing like a champ. Got a 2005 3500 dually 4x4 with 68 RFE trans, stepped up to a 44' full living quarters 4 horse trailer. Probably 40k miles of me owning that truck was towing the horse trailer around the mountains and a 24' GN with skid steer and attachments. Traded that truck at 207k miles, running and towing like a champ. Neither truck had transmission problems, both trucks needed fuel pumps around 125k-150k miles, the 1999 needed front wheel bearings around 180k miles. Other than that, just typical maintenance items. Both trucks were 100% stock and I stayed on top of maintenance. Some mechanics said I went overboard on servicing because I had the trans serviced, diffs and transfer case fluids changed more often than recommended, but that's because I towed heavy a lot. Maybe I did, but I never had drive train problems. I now have a 2017 3500 dually, crew cab, LB, Limited 4x4 with HO 6.7 and Aisin trans, it's a beast with a heavy load.
Hotshot guys loved the new Fords with 10 speed trans, until they started have serious trans issues.
People are referring to dodge trannys from 20 yrs ago. It gets old. Although i dont like how 68 shifts they have been very durable for us. Ram would be smart to get new hd tranny for marketing if nothin else
@@fozzybear9114 allison is rumored to be rolling in. big old 10 speed maybe
Had a 12 valve cummins that thing was beat on plowing snow and would just keep running. Had 560k when I sold it. Had about 5 transmission rebuilds.
Transmissions were not built to last lol but the cummins certainly was
What transmission was in it?
Huge Cummins fan but the Duramax is in the new military assault vehicals. Mostly for speed and Allison transmission.
If the truck could match the engin it would be a great combo.
Chrysler is too cheap for that common now lol
My 2022 Limited Longhorn Cummins is a gem. I did not even watch this video. No need to. Love my truck!
I have always been a diehard Cummins fanboy too but as problematic and finicky as they are, the Navistar power strokes were used in medium duty trucks under alternate naming. The 7.3 was called T444E, and the 6.0 was called VT-365 both indicating CI displacement, and the infamous 6.4 was called Maxxforce 7 which had better pistons than fords version. And navistar is still using the engine. Also the powerstrokes have always been under square and the latest 6.7 produces it’s torque at low rpm.
V8 diesels also have their advantages: they have less friction because they have fewer crank bearings, they are lighter, and more compact just to name a few. They have been used for many applications for years, especially in applications where space is a concern: mining dump trucks, trains gensets, and especially compact vehicles: Tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, fire trucks etc. look up an old engine called a 903 Cummins it was used for many applications, also we can’t forget the 3208 Cat or the old 2-stroke detroits used in everything you can think of, they sound like they are turning twice as fast as they actually are and are perhaps the most under square engines ever built. The b model Cummins was not designed for pickups but for heavy applications, but Cummins actually did design a pickup engine recently and guess what! it was a V8 ( the 5.0 used in the Nissan Titan. So the V8 design defiantly has its advantages. Also the V8 is much smoother than I6 design, for one thing it has a balanced firing order, secondly it has more cylinders which always makes an engine smoother! But the big reason why the V design is smoother is because the pistons are going in different directions instead of all up and down. I know this from experience because I grew up on the road in a bus with a music act and we had busses with v8 and in-line 6
The duramax is a great, bulletproof engine and it’s predecessor, the 6.5 Detroit is also if you get the bugs worked out of it. The 6.5 Detroit has been used in military humvees for years
I would rather work on a dodge Cummins than any other pickup diesel because everything is just so much easier to get to, also the design is so simple and straightforward
The duramax is over square, and it shows up in the poor towing mpg and lack of low end torque, but they are a much cleaner, simpler engine design than the power stroke for example: they simply have a straightforward normal, traditional diesel engine design with Bosch common rail where ford has had all kinds of weird stuff: The pre 7.3 and 6.0 had the insanely over complicated HEUI system which used pressurized oil to run the injectors and the turbo veins on the 6.0
It worked ok on the 7.3 because it was actually designed by Caterpillar and built like a tank, but was a complete disaster on the 6.0
The 6.7 power stroke is also an extremely weird design
So I’d rather work on a duramax than a powerstroke, but a the Ram Cummins is still easier to work on
Physics analysis concluded 90 degree V design produced more torque but great point about lower RPM. I haven’t seen any calculations on that yet.
V8 CAT sitting in the peterbilt here at the Petro truck stop right now. And yes it's much better than the I6
Years ago we did see the T444 7.3 in school buses and moving trucks.
I agree that the in-line configuration is better but the power stroke fans will say that the 2020 power stroke produces more torque and at a lower RPM than the ram 6.7 Cummins
Stock 24v springs allow the intake valve to completely blow open at 50psi on the bench, but still start to open at 35psi. Hamilton’s website
I still love driving my 2003 with the 5.9l Cummins. It has over 352,000 miles and I wouldn’t hesitate to drive cross country towing a heavy load with it. In fact, I have a 32 foot fifth wheel that I tow with it.
those old 5.9's are dynamite engines.
@@TheGettyAdventures Thanks. I agree
@@jayraysdiy852 No emissions bullshit and way more "sensible" luxury than modern trucks!
@@myk1_sp well, I do have seats out of a 2017 model.
@@jayraysdiy852 That's just seats, not the whole truck. ^^
I have a 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 hd 6.7 diesel and I can tell you the D.P.F. got clogged with soot and blew my turbo but after deleting all the emissions and chipping it it's been a very reliable fast truck tows nicely.
I am absolutely convinced and I run a5.9 but do not knock the 6 L Powerstroke when they are gone over they are an excellent engine
Got a 8.9 Cummings in my rv and I thought a duramax was a great motor as I have owned 3…..I think I am gonna trade in my LTZ Chevy going diesel cumming thanks all!!!
Only bad thing about a diesel engine in a 2500 is it takes away almost a grand on payload . It's better in a 3500 , 4500 or 5500 unless you are planning on only towing with the 2500 then the diesel is best as long as you don't fifth wheel . This is the thing I'm learning now wanting to trade my 1500 Ram so I can buy a fifth wheel camper ... I tow a 25 foot travel trailer now with my 1500 .
That's why I got the 3500 yes sir.
True, but who cares? I don't put more than probably 500 pounds of tools in my truck, ever. All the rest of the weight is myself and the trailer. You can tow a 16k trailer under cdl with a 2500, since the GVWR is 10k. It takes a CDL to tow a 16k trailer with a 3500 as the GVWR is around 11,200 pounds, or you're limited to an approx. 14,500 pound trailer. Yes, a 3500 has more maximum towing ability (around 33,000 pounds). But for me, without a CDL, I'd never be able to use it, so why decrease the under-CDL towing capacity?
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Don't need a CDL to tow with a pickup in my state or the states I go to but I get your point , the Ram 2500 gas fits the fifth wheel payload I'm planning to buy but the diesel 2500 didn't was really my main point .
Did a full delete on my 2013 6.7 Cummins last year. It's like driving an 8000 pound Corvette now.
haha those aftertreatment systems suck to much power out of these engines
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The catalyst was 90% blocked by a stalactite of dried DEF. I'm also getting 22 mpg now. SO glad I finally did this.
@@alaska-bornfloridaman my 4500 c&c is pure work horse. Can't wait to get her deleted. I haul a crap load of hvac equipment, tools, fittings, etc. It presently gets 11.76 mpg. It also has a barn door for a tool body.
I do want to give Ford a bit of credit. For years they used international engines from the 6.9 IDI to the 6.4 power stroke. Honestly I have no idea why International couldn’t keep up as they have been producing engines for years. But Ford designed the 6.7 in house I believe and for their first Diesel engine to be designed, manufactured and put in their truck lineup that does compete with Cummins and has a descent share of the market is amazing. And out of the big 3, they are the only ones that build their own Diesel engine for these pickups from what I aware of.
but then you have the 2011- Current ford 6.7 equipped with the CP4 fuel pump which destroys everything. Duramax has it from 2011-current & ram 2019-2020.
What about the rest of the truck/emissions? How reliable is the RAM compared to Ford?
Great video!
yep they #1! great content, thanks
I'm glad cummins got the contract. Could you imagine what a nightmare it would have been if paccar would have got it.
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They are designed for Utility use. But they are competitive for commercial/industrial use which makes them ultra competitive for utility power generation.
well said! I've a lot of gen sets use these engines.
I have a 2008 5500. Use for delivery vehicle. Carry heavy skids. 530,000 miles. Everything is original
The 7.3 was used in several navistar Medium duty Applications.
yup you got me there!
The data is incorrect saying their are no PowerStroke or Duramax’s in medium duty trucks. I sell a lot of trucks 19,500 and heavier gvw with these engines.
cant comment on the cummins, i do have a 06 2500hd with 175k that has had no engine issues at all. on my 3rd set of glow plugs but still runs like a top and gets 21-23 empty and great mpg pulling my rv and sxs's.
UPDATE: In Dec. 2022, my RAM had the fuel pump replaced with a CP3 under warranty. The following was written by me in May 2022.
There is an issue with the 2019's. Not the engine but the high pressure fuel pumps. They've been recalled. The BIG problem is, they have yet to manufacture an adequate replacement. So we are driving around not knowing when our big, beautiful Cummins engine will quit. I have a big camping trip planned in July, and I'm concerned.
Good video. Thank you. I will buy a 2022-Cab and chassis number 6. Your education shows. Your knowledge is broad based. Thank you.
The Engines are good for someone that still turns their own wrenches and wants to do some of their own maintenance. There are however some design flaws when it comes to placing them in a RAM. Ridiculous placement of an oil filter, why wasn't an oil filter relocation thought of for it?! Fuel filter right on the Engine where it's difficult to get at from either angle unless you remove the wheel well cover on the driver's side. That couldn't have been relocated to the frame somewhere? At least the filter at the tank is one you can work with without so much stuff in the way. The transmissions that FCA chose for the RAMs are garbage and in no way represent what a HD transmission is nor do they even get a mention in that class. The Cummins is being murdered by the dumb torque management software from the TCM in between shifts. What a way to destroy a well balanced diesel by constantly derating it between shifts to prevent transmission damage because the engine is such a torque beast. If it's such a torque beast why not mate it to a transmission that can actually handle it?! I own a 2014 RAM 3500 and never in my life have I had such a displeasure in how a transmission shifts and the constant rattle of the engine while the transmission is shifting due to derating!
Hmm the OEM fuel filter location on my '03 is on the firewall, not on the engine... I thought they stopped putting the filters on the engine on the 2nd gens? It only takes me less than 3-4 minutes to change my factory mounted one plus the 2micron CAT filter I added after it. Definitely agree with you on the trans issues. That's why I bought a manual truck. Throw on a South Bend clutch rated for 900ft/lbs of torque and you're good to go! Feels almost identical to the OEM clutch
Tbh, when has any manufacturer but anything in an accessible place now a days.
I love my 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins, I drove the GMC and the Ford and they did not feel as fast maybe because the Ram has a lower redline. Also the ride quality on the Ram cannot be touched. If you drive them back to back you will see what I am talking about. The GMC would skip over bumps in the rear and felt horrible, the Ford was a little better then GMC but when you drive the Ram it is night and day for ride quality. I only wish they would offer an 8 speed in the Ram, not sure you need 10 speed. They have those heavy duty 8 speed they use in the Hellcat I am sure they could engineer those for the truck.
I think RAM is in the works with ZF to bring a heavy duty 8 speed to the 2500/3500 line up. they are possibly working with Allison also which would be cool. Either way, I think we'll see a new transmission for these trucks sooner then later!
@@TheGettyAdventures The Ram is light years ahead with the Cummins and when that ZF 8 Speed hits it will not even be close in 3/4 ton market. Maybe they will offer the H.O. Cummins with the 8 speed in the 2500 that would make me upgrade for sure! The standard Cummins should be the 400hp 1,000 torque engine and the H.O. should be 450hp. They also need to beef up the payload capacity a little, maybe the air bag rear suspension does that? Either way love my Ram.
I could not disagree more. My company has all three of the HD trucks. They all have good and bad points. As the owner I choose which I drive. The Chevy definitely has the better ride. Followed by Ram. All if the Fords shake at 48 mph. Ford admitted they shook but it was acceptable. Ram has unbelievable power at the low end. Ram has the best exhaust break by far. As for Ford. I will not drive them. I refer to them as the milk shake maker.
A ram rides so bad it’s not even a competition! Guess you never road in anything else
@@davehudson1554 obviously it is personal preference but if your telling me and outdated leaf HD spring suspension rides better then coils you must work for Chevy. There is a reason everyone when away from them including now Toyota. The rear suspension on the GMC I drove was so tight it bounced over every bump. Now if you are talking about pulling a trailer and loaded that I do not know for the GMC. I have pulled an 8,000 pound trailer with my Ram and it rode and drove like there was nothing back there. Not even sure why you are watching this if you so die hard Chevy that you can't have an open mind.
Great video comparing the diesel engines offered in today's market...
I have a 21 Ram 1500 limited 5.7 hemi.. nice truck, rides like an expensive car. Just got a new Ram 2500 with Cummings for work ... the 1500 stays home most days 😆
This explains why my ambulances broke down so much.
you do in fact see the older international (powerstroke) engines in school busses. 7.3s,6.0s, 6.4s.
I have a new 2022 Dodge dually with the diesel. I sold my camper but I'm told these trucks are NOT good for around town driving. Not good to let idle. So just let my truck sit?
Just sold my 2019 Ram Cummins. The engine is nice the truck is solid the transmission, the infamous 68RFE is literally a reworked minivan tranny. They need to get their shit together and offer a real transmission and they would be set.
couldn't agree more!
1:43 ....... Scania has entered the chat!! 🤣
I'm on my 2nd dodge Cummins pickup. I'm a farmkid who's been around diesel engines for 50 yrs. The Cummins is far superior to the V8 diesel. 33% less moving parts to begin with. Really low end torque along with alot lower operating RPM which means longer engine life along with serviceability. Aluminum in a diesel is a sour idea at best and thats what duramax and the newer powerstrokes seem to be made of. Simplicity in design is always much better than complexity.
Agree, all around agree.
If you treat it right, it will treat you well.
Great review! Never doubted what you said! Own the 2021 Night Edition Megacab!Best ever!
They are great trucks!
Stock the Cummins is under powered, I have a 2015 Cummins and a 2012 powerstroke and the powerstroke walks circles around the Cummins when pulling, overall power, how fast they get up to hwy hwy speeds. I just like the looks of the dodge more.also my Cummins had to have a new motor at 47k miles do to a spun bearing. Thank god for a warranty.
The only gripe I have with these trucks is all of them 2500/3500 should be high output only and with the aisin.
Well, just to be a smart ass… the Mack 650hp E9-V8 was no slouch!
. That said... I love my Cummins 6.7
Scania V8. I'm not disagreeing about a Cummins, I just wish it was in a good truck with a good tranny.
It blows my mind that a legend like the Cummins can be completely crippled by a faulty DEF injector...
It only takes one faulty part to ruin a motor 😩
any aftertreatment code really, I've seen so many trucks come in de-rated and it takes hours to find a rubbed through wire somewhere along the harness to a useless temp sensor that disables the whole truck. it's sad to be honest.
Cat made V8 for semi and its very sought after and powerful.
I mean ya at one point they did but the C13 and C15 were way better engines for the application. Detroit diesel also made a bunch of V8's which were sick engines
@@TheGettyAdventures ....Those Older CAT 3408 V8, the die-hard guys still run those every day down the highway.
Correction Duramax’s are and have been used in heavier duty applications and has been without issue
TFL truck ran the Ike gauntlet with a 2500 Limited and a 2500 Duramax. The Ram ran 9.0 mpg and the Chevy did 8.2 towing the same weight up and down the mountain. Also the engine brake works so well they didn't have to use it a single time going down the mountain edit: I mean they didn't have to use the regular brakes while running the automatic engine brake. Brain fart
the Cummins is built to pull. nothing wrong with the chev but if I was towing daily I would want the Cummins every time
My Grandpa actually had a 5.9 that was non-turbo as an irrigation well engine.
Oh that's nice you read the brochure
2015 RAM 2500 Cummins deleted 4x4 4door 6speed camper shell. 498,000 I have been averaging 27-33mpg freeway on 10,500lbs truck.
Lol! Sure, are you rolling it down a hill? Not way a 10,500 lb truck is going to get 27-33 mpg!
The 2008 was the greatest, in recent history. Because it was so EZ to drop 500 pounds on a afternoon for $500 .
And what ya got was a total deleted truck with a 6.7 that will last and last with no issues ever. Love it!
Would NEVER EVER buy a newer one.
This got me curious so I decided to look it up. The 6.7 powerstroke is over square like the Cummins, and the duramax is under square. This also explains why the powerstrokes tend to have better torque delivery than the duramax. But the duramax is “capable” of more HP and higher RPM’s. Especially with a tune.
Well there ya go. I didnt know the power stroke was over square but yes you nailed it on the head!
Duramax is in GM's medium duty trucks. The T444E are in mass transit and school buses. If it weren't for emissions. Ford may never have gotten rid of the 7.3 To many what ifs to compare them this way. The 6.7 Cummins is pretty hard on head gaskets. Not as bad has the LLY but with studs you're good with either. The Cummins is a good engine but this was a pretty bias review. The 6.7 Cummins actually makes it's max torque at a higher RPM the the Duramax. 1800 rpm vs 1600 rpm. Yes, Cummins has a higher max torque currently. We will see when the new Duramax is announced.
I mean they just are better engines bias or not. obviously not perfect engines but they are built to take abuse in a commercial applications. As far as the Duramax making max torque at lower rpms I'd be interested at the whole torque curve. Big rigs are shifting gears at 1500 rpm. 1800rpm is getting close to an over speed on those big diesels. my points is diesels like to work between 600-1200 rpms. what's the torque curve at those rpms.
I would imagine these modern engines are pretty similar but it would be interesting to see. I have nothing against the Duramax or Powerstroke. This video was intended to just highlight why the Cummins is a good engine. But as you pointed out my bias was probably very obvious lol
@@TheGettyAdventures Can't compare big rig engines and these truck engines together. RPM ranges are way different. I didn't say the Cummins was a bad engine. If that's how I came through, my bad. The Cummins is a good engine but in the hd truck market. The Duramax and Powerstroke are very competitive. Years ago the Cummins had an advantage but in today's market not so much. They're all pretty good.
You can make torque at whatever RPM you set up the turbo for.
The L5P Duramax is slightly over square but the 6.7 Powerstroke is not. It’s stroke is longer than it’s bore diameter.
i drive a school bus everyday at full passenger capacity and have no issues with the cummins engine. only thing better is a caterpillar , just too bad they no longer build engines for heavy duty trucks.
the c7 was a decent engine, we used to have a bunch in our school buses. but yes the Cummins are great engines!
The rare times we get ford utility trucks they always have a Cummins
I like how I can climb right in and SEE AND FIX EVERYTHING! Can't even get half a paw between fender wells on those overly complicated V8 contraptions. Just the wiring harness nightmare scares me away. What a joke.
The bosch injectors desgined for billlions of injections blows my mind very similar engines in most of the city busses as well.
I have a repowed 93 Gmc with 5.9 Cummins still going strong. Rust and transmission issues is the only thing slowing this workhorse down. And also 09 Dodge 6.7 daily driver now. Neither have had any engine issues with either. Combined mileage between the two is well over a million miles.
You are wrong about the V8 used in medium trucks and school busses.
Our school division had so much trouble with the v8 diesels that they are going back to gasser busses. The biggest kicker being the unreliability of the emissions systems.
The 6bt and the 4bt are the two small diesel engines found in the industrial and " marine " application, I was installing Cummins 6and 4 bt engines in boats long before Dodge ever got intresred in them back in The mid 80s. If you really want to find out how an engine will perform , put it in the marine world. Penske tried it with the 6.2 v8 didn't work out so well I was present on one of the only start up's. I have never seen a power stroke or an old 6.9 in the marine world, it all comes down to preference as to which engine one wants.
well said. Cummins has their hands in just about every engine application.
You Should look into the BMW Diesel M57 inline 6, they run compound turbos from factory. Very interesting engines even though they aren't a truck engine.
As a Ford guy, i believe the Cummins is overall the best diesel pickup engine you can buy. However the truck wrapped around that engine has always been the problem for me. The auto transmissions and brakes were absolute trash on the early trucks. The interiors and electrical were trash on the newer ones. I think they have most of the issues worked out but now they are foreign owned by Stellantis. If I could only get a Cummins engine factory installed in my ford pickup I would be a happy man.
He never really explained how a 6 cylinder produces more torque at lower rpm, I wish that he had.