"Nah, I never faked." "Okay, only these 3 are but the other ones aren't." "Okay, the other ones are too, but my newest ones aren't." "Okay, even my newest ones are too." And people are STILL fighting to keep him on rankings! Unbelievable.
I didn't fake anything. Oh, OK, I faked that one, but I didn't fake anything else. Oh, alright, I faked 6 other runs. But everything else is legit. Ah whatever, I faked the others too, but I certainly didn't fake this one. Oh fine, I faked that one too...but I'm not a cheat.
The fact that he made that thread so fast, it almost seems that he was scared shitless, keeping an eye on people's opinions all the time, and jumped the gun.
I am just in awe at how everyone was sucking this guy’s dick. In other games, when a player is caught cheating they are almost banned for life but not this idiot for some reason. The people in charge of moderating things at that time were not absolute legends at all.
EveryTimeV2 I’m guessing you’re actually allowed to take Ritalin for speedruns, though? I used to play Guitar Hero competitively (I wasn’t actually very good, but I’d record my scores, etc.), and I also used to use drugs, and felt that taking certain drugs actually made me a better player, but I wouldn’t count scores when using them, since I felt like it was cheating to me.
He cheated not only the game, but himself. He didn't grow. He didn't improve. He took a shortcut and gained nothing. He experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that he didn't know the difference.
I am not part of any speed run community but I cannot understand how he wasn't removed and banned sooner. It wasn't a zero tolerance, it was like a 9 strike rule.
To put it in the simplest terms He was removed, lost all his records, lost all respect, lost all credibility to his runs. In other words banning the guy from the forum is no where near as harsh as what they did to him. He genuinely earned the right to be called a "cheater". If I was an admin in a community like that. I'd actually do the same and let them stay. The guy clearly was at least apologetic but only after being caught x amount of times. But not once did they show any obscene reaction from what we saw in the video. The guy was simply being a dumbass but wasn't bad enough to warrant a ban.
Reminds me of doping in cycling, especially the whole Lance Armstrong story. It was pretty obvious that he was juiced up to superhuman levels but lots of people, from his fans to the highest officials, had interest in protecting the american cancer survivor super star. There's a couple of fascinating documentaries about all that on TH-cam, well worth a watch. Cycling also shows that a zero tolerance policy is the only way to go. No warnings, no temporary bans, nothing. Sadly they refuse to learn that lesson to this day, so the golden eye community is better than the UCI.
@@nanakimurasaki Speaking from experience, you don't want to have this kind of person around. You will never be able to trust him. "They" didn't do anything...he did it to himself.
@DJIncendration Imagine thinking that a person who consistently lies and manipulates people into thinking he's honest should have A fourth chance. Not saying the runs were cheated, but you don't look at someone who has a terrible track record and let them go just like that
@@DJIncendration The thing is, when you cheat so many runs, one cannot in good faith assume that the rest of your runs are legit, especially if you're a skilled player. Every time he was given another chance, more faked runs were found
And to say that, at that time, having cutscenes that actually change, depending on the player's actions, was such a novelty that many players actually finished levels multiple times : with different weapons, with different modes (such as fast or slow), with or without killing the enemies closest to the exit, with or without previously placed mines that would activate during those cinematics. So, how the hell could he imagine that no one would notice his end cutscene would not match the way he played ?
Reminds me of how a lot of people defended Obama's, "like your doctor, keep your doctor," even though it's still a lie to this day. Some people are just completely blinded by their own biases.
The mental gymnastics we'll run to defend someone because "I like him and I know he's really a good guy" or "at least he's not [person I don't like]" are as astounding as they are strong.
Henning must have gotten really swole, moving the goalposts that often. "Okay i did THIS, but I didnt do THAT. Alright I did THAT, but I didn't do the OTHER thing"
That last segment hit me hard. Why? I’m going to be completely honest: I was technically an art thief. I traced art and didn’t credit the original artists. Nobody seemed to notice or care, and 2 years after I had done it, I went back and confessed to tracery, showing the original artworks alongside the traced versions. This was on an obscure app which I won’t name here, but in the community I was accepted to post in an art tag which was meant for only the best artists on there. As time went on, I felt guilt for the traceries and knew, considering how the community is, that someone would eventually go back and find the traceries. My conscience was literally screaming at me, and finally I confessed. People actually took it well, and they appreciated my confession. I am still allowed to post in that art tag, and now the traceries are way behind me. Confessing before you’re even caught is the best way to go.
An Aldmeri Dominion Enforcer dude, everyone does things that they are not proud of later or don’t care about the possible consequences at the time of doing so. Nevertheless I’m happy of OPs decision to do the right thing later on and the reaction of the community shows again that an honest confession is the best thing to do most of the time. So no need to be offensive.
I gotta say Karl, the speech at the end of your video had me feeling good. I am wanting to learn speed running, especially Goldeneye and the original RE titles. My times are absolute garbage compared to even decent runners but I keep trying. That message can go for any hobby. I'm an active fly fisherman. And I learned early I cant judge my own skill based on what I show others or how more experienced anglers see me. I make my own worth. Thanks for the amazing videos and entertainment Karl. Keep it up
While this was a well put argument, I have to disagree on his runs being taken down having a negative effect on other speedrunners. If he is a cheat, getting him out of the community pretty much guarantees everyone else a more legitimate chance to compete. Personally, I think his first offense warranted the removal of all his records. Once a cheater, always a cheater. If he came back and had 100% verification of his new runs maybe we can talk, but everything before the incident is instantly discredited. When this first came to light, how many people do you think quit trying saying "If he can cheat, what chance do I have? I'm not willing to cheat, so I guess I should find a new hobby." I'm not trying to be mean, but fairness is all we have in competition. Without it, there can be no winner.
I'd be real suspicious of the people not wanting all his times removed. Do the people voting on this have any times themselves they're particularly proud of?
Good call, actually. The-Elite is founded on competitiveness, the thrill of moving up the ranks as high as you can go and defending your position. You'd think it would be a black and white issue for them: that guy fakes his times, I don't fake my times, therefore his records should be all thrown in the trash and my records should move up. If they seem scared by the possibility that people caught cheating have all their times erased, something's up.
It's more like the legitimate "here's a non-obvious thing and I'm pointing it out" thumbnail is something clickbait tries to fake by having the arrows point to nothing
I still come back to this video every so often because of the speech at the end, specifically the part starting at 13:34. Speedrunning aside, this is perfect advice for anything that comes up in life, and brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for this.
This is an important lesson that i never take for granted: Patience brings the bigger reward Had Henning spent just a little extra time to perfecting his runs instead of splicing, he would not only be respected, but would have kept his hard work in the history books, and would have even learned something along the way.
Your ending got me in tears, I am having a difficult time in my life, but as you say I should not derive my self worth from what others have achieved, I must set my own goals and try and be satisfied of the effort I am making even if I am not the best. Thank you
@@martymcfly88mph35 Lol! The irony of your avatar, while promoting Jordan Peterson, is absolutely hysterical with how ironic it is. You really don’t know enough about him, do you?
Removing the runs of a splicer who repeatedly lied "goes against the best interest of everyone else who continues to speedrun and uphold the INTEGRITY of the game." Yeah, sure.
"community": We hate cheaters, scum, Never trust a cheater, total outright BAN!!!!!!". "community": Ahh, yes, but, no, wait, yes, hold on, ....." Time and time this happens in all forums. It makes me suspicious of their integrity.
@@corinabanu7556 Minecraft too. The bedrock community completely banned Dream when he got caught cheating in the PC version, even knowing that he’d lie about them and that his fans would harass them to the end of time
The ending message of this video is stated incredibly well and I hope it inspires people to have honor in their speedrunning careers as well as their lives.
you nailed it! this, unfortunately, is the tip of the iceberg.. cheaters gonna cheat and there's a whole lot of unchecked vids out there. I think live events is the only way. security watching the carts and consoles carefully
@@JamieTannerPresents I don't think the youtube comments is a constructive place to continue the never-ending proof standards debate, and I've spoke on this topic at great length before in other places. I do want to stress managed expectations, however. The time required to complete these achievements is beyond unreasonable to have employed, unbiased, knowledgeable security at a live event monitoring hundreds of hours of runs. A counter-point stated against simply having live streamed, or even simply video captured is for accessibility- and statements like this are often used in the claim that improving proof standards is a slippery slope. This is why I stress honor and appreciation as deterrents and motivation for achieving goals. A strong, passionate community built on these ideals can go much farther (and grow much larger) than requiring a bunch of mostly hobbyist gamers travel across the country or world to sit in a room for days with security guards staring at them as they play a video game.
I love how some of “the speed running community” was completely fine with someone cheating, with proof. However, if you’re a new/rising person in the ranks you are obviously faking it or cheating. It makes me sick how some of these people had no problem with Henning cheating then when someone new like Rayan starts submitting times back in the day he was vilified. Maybe it’s just me, but from what I’ve seen the “community” seems toxic as hell. It’s almost like you have to be born into this shit to be taken seriously. It’s a joke.
It's amazing how much time I spend on this channel, despite having no real interest in GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, or speedrunning in general. I just think Karl makes great, interesting content. 👍
Catching a half decent cheater is alot harder then people think. If he just posted one or two of these hed probubly never have been caught. He had what 20+ faked times scattered around and even then it took 2 years to notice them all. This is another reason why all times must be thrown out there is no way to know for sure he did not cheat every single time. It may very well be that hes crap at golden eye and just a good editor and cheater. And only got caught due to the combination of posting way to many cheated times and geting lazy and complacent thinking it was easy to trick people why wast so much time making the fake times so perfect when no one will notice anyway.
Makes you wonder how many of records are faked, or if there are any that are legit. Seems like more of a competition as to who can cheat the most without getting caught.
@@ryanwalsh5019 Patriots do the same thing , but they try to walk on the line where it's technically not in the rule, then the rule gets change and then they try something else
It’s mind blowing how light on punishment cheaters get in speed running communities. That’s why so many people cheat because the worse that can happen is a slap on the wrist. So moronic
Yeah, just a complete purge of any time pre-2015 or whatever that isn't a direct livestream, doesn't have video evidence, or isn't that demo stuff from doom. Standard is that speedrunners have to show their rig before they start up anything and have their hands and face and the recording visible at all times. You know, just the basic measures to make sure someone's not cheating.
Your wrong, I played enough ace attorney to know you get them to keep testifying until it's discovered they didn't see what they saw or confess to the crime
How can someone be a cool dude, if they’re being deceitful? The dude just kept on lying and cheating and admitting to it, yet people kept defending him. Is this some kind of cult of personality situation?
I see it as follows: Having one faked run and admitting to it in time shoud give a slap on the wrist. Removal of all current runs and close examination of future submission. But repeated offense should be a permanent, complete removal. After all, people make mistakes and should given a chance to learn from it. But when there is no sign of change, there is also no chance of redemption. In his case, the first one was bad, but okay, we let him move on with legit runs. The grace period was a way to confess without severe punishment. But he didn't took those chances, so he has to go.
I’d assume some of the accounts posting in his defense are him. Anyone willing to fake a world record speed run is more than capable of making a few alt accounts on a forum
Oh for sure. I would absolutely believe that. Sure I've seen where some people have 'sleeper' alt accounts where they just pepper the Post history a bit and then all of a sudden these unknown accounts with a handful of random posts burst to life and start defending the person.
I'm a year late Karl but the ending of your video moved me in a way that I both needed and didn't even see coming. Thank you Karl, a year later, from the bottom of my heart for your kind words. You have no idea how much I needed to hear those words.
@@brianjensen5661 Yes, both Ryan and Henning cheated runs on a frigate. The thing is, Ryan stopped cheating after he first got caught, and took it upon himself to write a new proof policy. He moved on and wanted GE leaderboards to be taken seriously. So after some reunion with other runners, they declared a new zero-tolerance proof policy. The thing about Henning is he never stopped lying no matter how many times he got caught. Heck, I dare say his BEHAVIOR was worse than his cheating. The best way I can put it is Henning didn't just cheat the game, he cheated his own fans. I'd argue he's more comparable to a lip-sync artist than a traditional cheater.
I love that you're playing Donkey Kong Country music in the background. Definitely the best musical score for a game ever, it really gets you in the feels.
13:29 - Man, that outro hit way harder than I imagined anything could to me right now... I'm extremely competitive by nature and my 2021 New Year's resolution is going to be that I will stop getting so frustrated and angry with myself, when I lose at video games, or feel like I underperform. I'm way too hard on myself because I always feel like I could have done better to the point where certain things stop becoming fun. The fact that I could sit down with myself and logically come to that conclusion, then the next completely random TH-cam video directly addresses everything I just thought about, is kind of ominous with the timing... You saying those kind words at the end, directly addressing what I was feeling, makes me feel better about my performances and validates me. I can't compare myself to other people. Keep up the good stuff brother. I hope you can help others out too.
Honestly, I think that grace period was a brilliant idea. It's a good way to transition into a new set of rules. And it gave Henning every possible opportunity to confess faked times with only a slap on the wrist, and then start over with a clean slate. It's not every day that we are given a gift like that. And he just… threw it away. Amazing.
This is still one of my favorite Karl Jobst videos. The speech at the end is some serious words of wisdom. Would go along way to have it be more of a standard and pushed idea in the speed-running community. Love you Jobst, you're awesome.
I really love seeing speed running clips from the early 2000s, it shows how much things have changed, and I love seeing VHS recordings of runs too. They add a certain feel to them.
He repeatedly lied to me and took advantage of my trust and my positive feelings towards him, but he seems like a cool guy! Let's give him a 20th chance!
@@TK2692 Or "I'm a fellow cheater and if the punishment for this guy is harsh it will be for me too if I'm ever caught, just give him a slap on the wrist you guys, cheating isn't that bad we all make mistakes!"
scars of time! lovely and poetic choice of soundtrack considering the subject of discussion! been loving your videos and have been binging em this past week! very enjoyable and informative! a rare and delicate balance!
Not gonna lie man, I've been going through some strong self-doubts and not really feeling like I'm going anywhere in life but your last line in here really hit home. I'm gonna start doing what's best for me and live my life and my goals. I'm going to try and be happy and proud of my own accomplishments. Thank you.
Moral of this story; Don’t cheat at speed running, especially if your reputation is on the line, it’s just generally a bad idea even if you get away with it for years eventually you’ll be called out and it’s not fun.
How Ryan wasn't pulling all his hair out after exposing this dude time and time again yet somehow his times are kept around...idk man. He's stronger than I am.
He admitted a little as possible to appear that he was coming clean so he could continue to fake more runs. I'm amazed people kept (and seem to continue to be) giving him the benefit of the doubt after he was repeatedly found to be lying to everyone.
@@scavenger6576 Bizarre that anyone would defend a proven bad faith submitter. Submitting a fake run is the mortal sin among speedrunners, no take-backs.
I'm always fascinated by speedrunning history, but I think it would have made the recounting more complete if you included the fact that Goose ( Ryan White ) was also a cheater, that had faked many of the same runs some years before Henning, but actually came clean when confronted and was given the "slap on the wrist" treatment that many wanted Henning to get. So the saying "it takes one to know one" and a short of Redemntion story for Goose would add to this, imo.
I can’t decide which is more despicable. Henning being a habitual cheater and a pathological liar, or the speedrunning community still willing to keep him around despite these accusations. It’s attitudes like this that destroy my faith in humanity.
I think the worst of all is that even his legit times were removed. It's ok to be willing to keep someone around, people can change. Even if Henning hadn't yet, he probably has now.
I just came across (and subbed to) your channel. I don't do speedruns but your breakdown on how they are accomplished and the sad stories of the cheaters are well done and fascinating!
You are a bunch of legends
no u
my friends
i'll pin you in a minute
Maybe the true legend was the friends we made along the way
Takes one to know one
"Nah, I never faked." "Okay, only these 3 are but the other ones aren't." "Okay, the other ones are too, but my newest ones aren't." "Okay, even my newest ones are too." And people are STILL fighting to keep him on rankings! Unbelievable.
You are a great pet lover in the video has to be something you can get on to your own idea of Bernard's and the world
The same reason why Trump became president
@@anism0010 How do you figure
@@xenn4985 lies lies lies and more lies, yet he has actual supporters..
@@anism0010 Less lies than most other politicians. That's a good track record imo.
In the first clip of his 2007 secret agent tied WR, Bond says "even trusted friends are capable of betrayal."
Truer words have never been spoken.
Holy shit
@AmethystExpert well most ppl did trust henning blom
Yeah
*It's a shame Hemming Had to go*
Deep
He should have just stopped cheating, they literally gave him second chance then continued to cheat after.
@Greg Fakerson seriously. I can only doubt that any of his runs were legit now.
Hell he tried to prove he didn't cheat by cheating.
Getting caught cheating lying and then confessing then lying then confessing then lying then confessing it’s great
@Greg Fakerson thats not the point? the point is they gave him chances and he didnt take them mate
@@badvoodoo2097 Well you can't trust him in anything of this regard anymore.
“Henning is such a great guy, ya know?”
Henning: *Pasando Goldeneye en Cinco Minutos*
At least he didn’t have Coke Zero and pizza...
*unless*
Haha not many people got that but we certainly did :)
@@startcasual3840 How ya'll liking the MNK rework in 5.4?
I get that reference!!
Minus the pizza and the coke lol
This entire time I was just thinking "JESUS CHRIST MAN JUST STOP CHEATING YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT SO MANY TIMES"
u should see csgo...
Have you heard the tale of Darth Henning the Fast? It isn't a tale the moderators will tell you
darth henning was so skillfull, that he can "beat" world records by cheating his game and fooling most of the people without they even suspect him.
He could even keep the records he set, from breaking..
What happened to him?
@@dermetzger He could save others from being banned... But he could not save himself.
@@AndyHoward ironic
I didn't fake anything.
Oh, OK, I faked that one, but I didn't fake anything else.
Oh, alright, I faked 6 other runs. But everything else is legit.
Ah whatever, I faked the others too, but I certainly didn't fake this one.
Oh fine, I faked that one too...but I'm not a cheat.
There could also be some more fakes but everything else is legit.
I think we should trust him and keep all of his records. He seems like a pretty cool guy.
@@GlobalWarmingSkeptic yeah, he's so cool. Like, we all cheat and lie about 12 records every now and then. people are so irrational smh
Somehow this make me think about my ex wife.
Ha! I hear that John
Me: never done anything productive ever
Karl Jobst: hello you absolute legends!
Me: :)
lmao
Ikr...lol!!!! Makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it!? 😊😊😊
YES!!!!
I always assumed that he's referring to someone else.
Makes me always quite uncormfortable... Couse Yeah... Am just sittin on my fat ass Smoking weed allday and watch yt
The fact that he made that thread so fast, it almost seems that he was scared shitless, keeping an eye on people's opinions all the time, and jumped the gun.
To the village and the concert is a thing
Henning seems less of a "I'm sorry I cheated" and more "I'm sorry I got caught" which I know the feeling of all too well so I can catch it easily
I am just in awe at how everyone was sucking this guy’s dick. In other games, when a player is caught cheating they are almost banned for life but not this idiot for some reason. The people in charge of moderating things at that time were not absolute legends at all.
GameShark; the performance-enhancing drug for speedrunners.
Nah that's ritalin.
No, if u want something weak drink like 4 redbulls
EveryTimeV2 I’m guessing you’re actually allowed to take Ritalin for speedruns, though?
I used to play Guitar Hero competitively (I wasn’t actually very good, but I’d record my scores, etc.), and I also used to use drugs, and felt that taking certain drugs actually made me a better player, but I wouldn’t count scores when using them, since I felt like it was cheating to me.
I mean doping is not allowed in sports so I assume it also shouldn't be allowed in speedruns.
Comedy gold :^)=)
He cheated not only the game, but himself.
He didn't grow.
He didn't improve.
He took a shortcut and gained nothing.
He experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad that he didn't know the difference.
Essentially what Kristoph Gavin was in the Ace Attorney series. He fooled everyone, and himself (in a way), and faced the consequences for it.
Best comment
One of my favorite memes.
What's this from? I recognise it from somewhere.
deNoww getting over it
I am not part of any speed run community but I cannot understand how he wasn't removed and banned sooner. It wasn't a zero tolerance, it was like a 9 strike rule.
To put it in the simplest terms
He was removed, lost all his records, lost all respect, lost all credibility to his runs.
In other words banning the guy from the forum is no where near as harsh as what they did to him. He genuinely earned the right to be called a "cheater". If I was an admin in a community like that. I'd actually do the same and let them stay. The guy clearly was at least apologetic but only after being caught x amount of times. But not once did they show any obscene reaction from what we saw in the video. The guy was simply being a dumbass but wasn't bad enough to warrant a ban.
TheNanakisan . Sounds like he got of easy given how people were talking about him with so much admiration.
It's cos he was a cool guy : )
Reminds me of doping in cycling, especially the whole Lance Armstrong story. It was pretty obvious that he was juiced up to superhuman levels but lots of people, from his fans to the highest officials, had interest in protecting the american cancer survivor super star. There's a couple of fascinating documentaries about all that on TH-cam, well worth a watch.
Cycling also shows that a zero tolerance policy is the only way to go. No warnings, no temporary bans, nothing. Sadly they refuse to learn that lesson to this day, so the golden eye community is better than the UCI.
@@nanakimurasaki Speaking from experience, you don't want to have this kind of person around. You will never be able to trust him. "They" didn't do anything...he did it to himself.
Karl Jobst: "completely erased from history forever"
Also Karl: tells the history in excruciating detail
also Henning: unnecessarily removed.
The times that were legit should have stayed on the leaderboards.
@DJIncendration Imagine thinking that a person who consistently lies and manipulates people into thinking he's honest should have A fourth chance. Not saying the runs were cheated, but you don't look at someone who has a terrible track record and let them go just like that
@@DJIncendrationSmartest default pfp
@@DJIncendration The thing is, when you cheat so many runs, one cannot in good faith assume that the rest of your runs are legit, especially if you're a skilled player. Every time he was given another chance, more faked runs were found
And to say that, at that time, having cutscenes that actually change, depending on the player's actions, was such a novelty that many players actually finished levels multiple times : with different weapons, with different modes (such as fast or slow), with or without killing the enemies closest to the exit, with or without previously placed mines that would activate during those cinematics.
So, how the hell could he imagine that no one would notice his end cutscene would not match the way he played ?
Don't know why I'm watching this. Not interested in speed running or goldeneye but wtf I'll watch it
You and me both. Still interesting tho
I thought I was the only one tbh
This is how they suck you in
m2! its just interesting isnt it? and well done video
It's crazy that's exactly how I entered the chat
Even if he pressed A on the last possible frame, the weapon after unarmed is the PP7 anyway.
"He could've quickly entered the pause menu, switched tabs, switched weapons, then quickly hid it last second" F**KING LOL
peepee 7inches
walther's pp is k
Shocked they let him stay after he faked evidence to prove himself innocent.
Also that was a powerful outro
im shocked it took him so long to get everything removed, proven to be cheating 500 times apparently wasnt enough.
Reminds me of how a lot of people defended Obama's, "like your doctor, keep your doctor," even though it's still a lie to this day. Some people are just completely blinded by their own biases.
@@gsp3987 Please don't, just don't
@@stevefox1200 You don't want to hear the truth, that's fine.
The mental gymnastics we'll run to defend someone because "I like him and I know he's really a good guy" or "at least he's not [person I don't like]" are as astounding as they are strong.
Henning must have gotten really swole, moving the goalposts that often. "Okay i did THIS, but I didnt do THAT. Alright I did THAT, but I didn't do the OTHER thing"
That last segment hit me hard.
Why?
I’m going to be completely honest:
I was technically an art thief.
I traced art and didn’t credit the original artists. Nobody seemed to notice or care, and 2 years after I had done it, I went back and confessed to tracery, showing the original artworks alongside the traced versions.
This was on an obscure app which I won’t name here, but in the community I was accepted to post in an art tag which was meant for only the best artists on there. As time went on, I felt guilt for the traceries and knew, considering how the community is, that someone would eventually go back and find the traceries.
My conscience was literally screaming at me, and finally I confessed.
People actually took it well, and they appreciated my confession. I am still allowed to post in that art tag, and now the traceries are way behind me.
Confessing before you’re even caught is the best way to go.
An Aldmeri Dominion Enforcer dude, everyone does things that they are not proud of later or don’t care about the possible consequences at the time of doing so. Nevertheless I’m happy of OPs decision to do the right thing later on and the reaction of the community shows again that an honest confession is the best thing to do most of the time. So no need to be offensive.
Yes, confessing without being put under scrutiny is a respectful deed.
@@420sakura1 no I was not, but how’s that related fo the topic?
@@luckydragonwolf according to the rules of anime in Asia you are not supposed to bring dishonor to your family
Yeah remember if you confess?
You'll be spared
The Billy Mitchell of Goldeneye speedrunners :D
Hello, you fact hunt
Yes, but Billy Mitchell can actually perform.
Hello youuuu! Love your vids, Larry. Keep up the good work.
I see you everywhere
Larry I love how you watch and support many of the same youtubers I do. But, hello you!
I gotta say Karl, the speech at the end of your video had me feeling good.
I am wanting to learn speed running, especially Goldeneye and the original RE titles. My times are absolute garbage compared to even decent runners but I keep trying.
That message can go for any hobby. I'm an active fly fisherman. And I learned early I cant judge my own skill based on what I show others or how more experienced anglers see me. I make my own worth.
Thanks for the amazing videos and entertainment Karl. Keep it up
While this was a well put argument, I have to disagree on his runs being taken down having a negative effect on other speedrunners. If he is a cheat, getting him out of the community pretty much guarantees everyone else a more legitimate chance to compete. Personally, I think his first offense warranted the removal of all his records. Once a cheater, always a cheater. If he came back and had 100% verification of his new runs maybe we can talk, but everything before the incident is instantly discredited. When this first came to light, how many people do you think quit trying saying "If he can cheat, what chance do I have? I'm not willing to cheat, so I guess I should find a new hobby." I'm not trying to be mean, but fairness is all we have in competition. Without it, there can be no winner.
*"Even trusted friends are capable of betrayal."*
Not even bolding it will make it more original.
A costly lesson
I'd be real suspicious of the people not wanting all his times removed. Do the people voting on this have any times themselves they're particularly proud of?
Good ovservTion
Yup. These are people who don't value honesty, clearly.
Good call, actually. The-Elite is founded on competitiveness, the thrill of moving up the ranks as high as you can go and defending your position. You'd think it would be a black and white issue for them: that guy fakes his times, I don't fake my times, therefore his records should be all thrown in the trash and my records should move up. If they seem scared by the possibility that people caught cheating have all their times erased, something's up.
The flaws of social protection
It's cause they liked him so they didn't want to see him banned.
it it my ignorance on the speed running community, or does goldeneye have the most drama of any speedrunning group
Surprisingly, not even close.
@@RedHairdo oh please tell
there's a whole documentary about donkey kong drama...
Because all secret agents are a little bit dodgy
Theres a bunch of drama about some guy who got an impossible completion time in an arcade drag racing game
*I think we should trust him and keep all of his records. He seems like a pretty cool guy.*
He does have a very nice suit
lmao
Henning: No one can fake speedruns as shamelessly as I do.
Tavo: Hold my coke.
I'm allergic to coke aren't you? -'zxzxx
I love how all of his thumbnails look super clickbaity but actually mean something.
It's more like the legitimate "here's a non-obvious thing and I'm pointing it out" thumbnail is something clickbait tries to fake by having the arrows point to nothing
@@Wayte13 I'm just saying they look like they *would* be clickbait.
Some say Henning is still out there... alive in some form... drinking unicorn blood to become a legend like karl.
More like drinking Billy Mitchell's hot sauce
when you mis-click, but it's a good vid.
Lmao frame perfect
Trust me it will save more frames later
Lmao me too
420 likes my friend! You did it
@@Xtremepoophead Thank you poop, very cool.
I still come back to this video every so often because of the speech at the end, specifically the part starting at 13:34. Speedrunning aside, this is perfect advice for anything that comes up in life, and brought a tear to my eye. Thank you for this.
Gonna necro this comment and point out how much Aerith’s Theme adds to it.
The message at the end about being the best you that you can be was my favorite part of this video
This is an important lesson that i never take for granted: Patience brings the bigger reward
Had Henning spent just a little extra time to perfecting his runs instead of splicing, he would not only be respected, but would have kept his hard work in the history books, and would have even learned something along the way.
This puts the entire speed runners community's credibility in question if their so willing to let a cheater keep his place in the records
whiterottenrabbit
*triggered*
@@whiterottenrabbit so angry over a simple "thier" i apologize for the sin of bad grammar
@@whiterottenrabbit hahahaha calm down
@@whiterottenrabbit Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
@@whiterottenrabbit you sound pstchotic ;)
Your ending got me in tears, I am having a difficult time in my life, but as you say I should not derive my self worth from what others have achieved, I must set my own goals and try and be satisfied of the effort I am making even if I am not the best. Thank you
it hit me as well, hope youre okay bro.
Watch Jordan peterson man.
@@martymcfly88mph35
Lol! The irony of your avatar, while promoting Jordan Peterson, is absolutely hysterical with how ironic it is. You really don’t know enough about him, do you?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 lol, what argument are you trying to start? "Dr Jordan Peterson is a communist"? Is that really it?
This guy after his first post: "I'm never gonna crack and tell the truth."
Same guy 12 hours later: "I can't handle this, I gotta come clean!"
Damn the clickbait red arrows are totally legit here.
It is
Nice
You have a trans "peoples" rights flag and a big bird profile pic so I do not care
@@cringe__6040 it's not a bird it's actually a giant dragon thingy that walks on 4 legs and has horns
@@cringe__6040 it's a kulve taroth from monster hunter.... also that sounds kinda transphobic ngl dunno why their pfp mattered
Removing the runs of a splicer who repeatedly lied "goes against the best interest of everyone else who continues to speedrun and uphold the INTEGRITY of the game." Yeah, sure.
"community": We hate cheaters, scum, Never trust a cheater, total outright BAN!!!!!!".
"community": Ahh, yes, but, no, wait, yes, hold on, ....."
Time and time this happens in all forums. It makes me suspicious of their integrity.
Tbh the Doom community is the only one I've seen being consistent about this. They really won't take cheating from anyone.
Its like their "Integrity" disappeared from their soul
What do you expect from a community of people that literally cheat to go fast through levels.
Projection is a hell of a thing.
@@corinabanu7556 Minecraft too. The bedrock community completely banned Dream when he got caught cheating in the PC version, even knowing that he’d lie about them and that his fans would harass them to the end of time
The ending message of this video is stated incredibly well and I hope it inspires people to have honor in their speedrunning careers as well as their lives.
Agreed
>honor
>speed running
>career
you nailed it!
this, unfortunately, is the tip of the iceberg.. cheaters gonna cheat and there's a whole lot of unchecked vids out there. I think live events is the only way. security watching the carts and consoles carefully
@@JamieTannerPresents I don't think the youtube comments is a constructive place to continue the never-ending proof standards debate, and I've spoke on this topic at great length before in other places. I do want to stress managed expectations, however. The time required to complete these achievements is beyond unreasonable to have employed, unbiased, knowledgeable security at a live event monitoring hundreds of hours of runs. A counter-point stated against simply having live streamed, or even simply video captured is for accessibility- and statements like this are often used in the claim that improving proof standards is a slippery slope.
This is why I stress honor and appreciation as deterrents and motivation for achieving goals. A strong, passionate community built on these ideals can go much farther (and grow much larger) than requiring a bunch of mostly hobbyist gamers travel across the country or world to sit in a room for days with security guards staring at them as they play a video game.
What lives? You obviously don't have one because your sat on your arse playing computer games all day.
Imagine vehemently denying accusations and saying "I have never faked a run" and then 12 HOURS LATER exposing YOURSELF. People are wild, man.
I love how some of “the speed running community” was completely fine with someone cheating, with proof. However, if you’re a new/rising person in the ranks you are obviously faking it or cheating. It makes me sick how some of these people had no problem with Henning cheating then when someone new like Rayan starts submitting times back in the day he was vilified.
Maybe it’s just me, but from what I’ve seen the “community” seems toxic as hell. It’s almost like you have to be born into this shit to be taken seriously. It’s a joke.
Thats why "the elite" is the most pathetic group of speedrunners on the internet
Humans are idiots. They'll give someone a pass just because "he's nice and popular guys"
It's amazing how much time I spend on this channel, despite having no real interest in GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, or speedrunning in general. I just think Karl makes great, interesting content. 👍
Catching a half decent cheater is alot harder then people think.
If he just posted one or two of these hed probubly never have been caught. He had what 20+ faked times scattered around and even then it took 2 years to notice them all.
This is another reason why all times must be thrown out there is no way to know for sure he did not cheat every single time.
It may very well be that hes crap at golden eye and just a good editor and cheater. And only got caught due to the combination of posting way to many cheated times and geting lazy and complacent thinking it was easy to trick people why wast so much time making the fake times so perfect when no one will notice anyway.
*thAn*
Makes you wonder how many of records are faked, or if there are any that are legit. Seems like more of a competition as to who can cheat the most without getting caught.
@@ryanwalsh5019 Patriots do the same thing , but they try to walk on the line where it's technically not in the rule, then the rule gets change and then they try something else
It’s mind blowing how light on punishment cheaters get in speed running communities. That’s why so many people cheat because the worse that can happen is a slap on the wrist. So moronic
Yeah, just a complete purge of any time pre-2015 or whatever that isn't a direct livestream, doesn't have video evidence, or isn't that demo stuff from doom.
Standard is that speedrunners have to show their rig before they start up anything and have their hands and face and the recording visible at all times. You know, just the basic measures to make sure someone's not cheating.
Aerith's Theme accompanied by the statement at the end was amazingly done!
Andy Yum Yum ah thanks, I was trying to figure out where I recognized that from!
Hi
It's like in a court of law: once a witness is shown to be a liar, you have to throw out all of their testimony.
Your wrong, I played enough ace attorney to know you get them to keep testifying until it's discovered they didn't see what they saw or confess to the crime
I love the "darker side of speed running" videos. I think these are cautionary tales that need to be told.
Plot twist: Henning Blom is still speed running under another tag.
Clicked for the story, stayed for the life lesson.
How can someone be a cool dude, if they’re being deceitful? The dude just kept on lying and cheating and admitting to it, yet people kept defending him. Is this some kind of cult of personality situation?
I see it as follows: Having one faked run and admitting to it in time shoud give a slap on the wrist. Removal of all current runs and close examination of future submission.
But repeated offense should be a permanent, complete removal.
After all, people make mistakes and should given a chance to learn from it. But when there is no sign of change, there is also no chance of redemption.
In his case, the first one was bad, but okay, we let him move on with legit runs. The grace period was a way to confess without severe punishment. But he didn't took those chances, so he has to go.
I’d assume some of the accounts posting in his defense are him. Anyone willing to fake a world record speed run is more than capable of making a few alt accounts on a forum
Oh for sure. I would absolutely believe that. Sure I've seen where some people have 'sleeper' alt accounts where they just pepper the Post history a bit and then all of a sudden these unknown accounts with a handful of random posts burst to life and start defending the person.
I'm a year late Karl but the ending of your video moved me in a way that I both needed and didn't even see coming. Thank you Karl, a year later, from the bottom of my heart for your kind words. You have no idea how much I needed to hear those words.
The end speech goes well beyond the realm of speedrunning. It is admirable and I commend you for it
Henning Blom: I swear I didn't fake any other times.
Ryan White: I'm about to end this man's whole career.
I have to always think of clue because of the names
Funny cause Ryan got caught doing the same shit.
@@brianjensen5661 I'd like to read more about this
As Ryan put it himself: "It takes one to catch one".
@@brianjensen5661 Yes, both Ryan and Henning cheated runs on a frigate.
The thing is, Ryan stopped cheating after he first got caught, and took it upon himself to write a new proof policy. He moved on and wanted GE leaderboards to be taken seriously. So after some reunion with other runners, they declared a new zero-tolerance proof policy.
The thing about Henning is he never stopped lying no matter how many times he got caught. Heck, I dare say his BEHAVIOR was worse than his cheating.
The best way I can put it is Henning didn't just cheat the game, he cheated his own fans. I'd argue he's more comparable to a lip-sync artist than a traditional cheater.
12:29 Imagines Henning Blom praying at an altar and Ryan White falling from above with the Masamune aimed straight at Blom's heart.
One-Winged Ryan
I love that you're playing Donkey Kong Country music in the background. Definitely the best musical score for a game ever, it really gets you in the feels.
Me: *posts a 2h3m22s Aztec 00 Agent PB*
Karl: "You absolute LEGEND"
Okay it's been like 8 years now. Maybe we can reinstate his times since he's a pretty cool guy.
@@levieverhart8640 - Pretty sure he is, lol.
Every time I hear you call me a legend, it makes me feel great about myself. Instant like before the video even starts, as always. Thank you Karl!
8:40 I can't help but think "Sock accounts owned by Henning defending himself".
The MsScribe of speedrunning.
13:29 - Man, that outro hit way harder than I imagined anything could to me right now... I'm extremely competitive by nature and my 2021 New Year's resolution is going to be that I will stop getting so frustrated and angry with myself, when I lose at video games, or feel like I underperform. I'm way too hard on myself because I always feel like I could have done better to the point where certain things stop becoming fun. The fact that I could sit down with myself and logically come to that conclusion, then the next completely random TH-cam video directly addresses everything I just thought about, is kind of ominous with the timing... You saying those kind words at the end, directly addressing what I was feeling, makes me feel better about my performances and validates me. I can't compare myself to other people.
Keep up the good stuff brother. I hope you can help others out too.
Honestly, I think that grace period was a brilliant idea. It's a good way to transition into a new set of rules. And it gave Henning every possible opportunity to confess faked times with only a slap on the wrist, and then start over with a clean slate. It's not every day that we are given a gift like that. And he just… threw it away. Amazing.
Keep up with the videos dude, I really enjoy them. You absolute legend!
Chrono Cross opening music. Most emotional track of all time. So apt. Great video Karl. Aeris 😢
I knew I wasn't crazy
Chrono cross OST is AMAZING
Thanks a lot for pointing put the game, I knew I had listened to it somewhere.
@@wesleyholcombe9609 :'(
That moment when I learned that I was suddenly ranked 6th instead of 7th lol :)
This is still one of my favorite Karl Jobst videos. The speech at the end is some serious words of wisdom. Would go along way to have it be more of a standard and pushed idea in the speed-running community. Love you Jobst, you're awesome.
I really love seeing speed running clips from the early 2000s, it shows how much things have changed, and I love seeing VHS recordings of runs too. They add a certain feel to them.
I subscribed, now I feel like an absolute legend
That last bit was some of the best motivational stuff I've heard in a while. If you write a book, let me know
Two arrows? Shit, this is gonna be good!!
😅 ikr!?
I love the inspirational message at the end there. Thank you, you absolute legend.
I hope that Henning has genuinely learned from his mistakes and has moved forward.
Legends has it he's still faking speedruns. But with another name
Highly doubtful. Dude got caught time and time again, and yet he kept doing it. People like that never fucking learn.
People like him don’t. And his actions show it
Henning likely retired after his ban
Moved forward, whilst going diagonally and looking at the floor
"I've faked 30 maybe even 40 runs, I guess I'm a pretty sick guy." - Henning Blom
You're a pretty sick guy too.
@@lennygirlthetruesavvysavag2410 I don't think you get the reference.
Good refrence
To this day, Hennings is still confessing.
some of those people on the forums defending him even after all that makes me so very sad.
He repeatedly lied to me and took advantage of my trust and my positive feelings towards him, but he seems like a cool guy! Let's give him a 20th chance!
@@TK2692 Or "I'm a fellow cheater and if the punishment for this guy is harsh it will be for me too if I'm ever caught, just give him a slap on the wrist you guys, cheating isn't that bad we all make mistakes!"
scars of time! lovely and poetic choice of soundtrack considering the subject of discussion! been loving your videos and have been binging em this past week! very enjoyable and informative! a rare and delicate balance!
Seen a few videos now. Thank you for making these. They're really nifty.
That outro was great. Every person on the planet needs to hear something like that.
the music suited it perfectly
My friends, it just keeps happening. Karl Jobst's videos keep getting better.
How you win is just as important as winning. That's the lesson. This is the consequence.
Not gonna lie man, I've been going through some strong self-doubts and not really feeling like I'm going anywhere in life but your last line in here really hit home. I'm gonna start doing what's best for me and live my life and my goals. I'm going to try and be happy and proud of my own accomplishments. Thank you.
13:46 - 14:01. 15 seconds of pure wisdom. Thanks for being awesome, Karl
I remember being so stoked for 24 seconds on runway back in I think 2001. Grenade tricks practiced to boost to airplane door
Those last 2 minutes
I actually teased up a bit. Thank you Karl
Moral of this story;
Don’t cheat at speed running, especially if your reputation is on the line,
it’s just generally a bad idea even if you get away with it for years eventually you’ll be called out and it’s not fun.
A wise man once said
“ you may die a hero or live long enough to become the villain”
He was wise
How Ryan wasn't pulling all his hair out after exposing this dude time and time again yet somehow his times are kept around...idk man. He's stronger than I am.
after watching various videos about how video game record cheaters were found I have learned one thing,
they just don't know how to edit audio!
Love the music in this video Karl ❤️😁
Much Love from Canada 🇨🇦
Actually im amazed by how he just always admitted it, anyone else?
He admitted a little as possible to appear that he was coming clean so he could continue to fake more runs. I'm amazed people kept (and seem to continue to be) giving him the benefit of the doubt after he was repeatedly found to be lying to everyone.
@@TK2692 It makes me suspect a lot of these people defending him or giving him the benefit of the doubt are speedrunners with fake times themselves.
@@scavenger6576 Bizarre that anyone would defend a proven bad faith submitter. Submitting a fake run is the mortal sin among speedrunners, no take-backs.
I'm always fascinated by speedrunning history, but I think it would have made the recounting more complete if you included the fact that Goose ( Ryan White ) was also a cheater, that had faked many of the same runs some years before Henning, but actually came clean when confronted and was given the "slap on the wrist" treatment that many wanted Henning to get. So the saying "it takes one to know one" and a short of Redemntion story for Goose would add to this, imo.
I can’t decide which is more despicable. Henning being a habitual cheater and a pathological liar, or the speedrunning community still willing to keep him around despite these accusations. It’s attitudes like this that destroy my faith in humanity.
I think the worst of all is that even his legit times were removed. It's ok to be willing to keep someone around, people can change. Even if Henning hadn't yet, he probably has now.
@@DJIncendration you sound like an abuse victim
just a bunch of braindead sheep
I just came across (and subbed to) your channel. I don't do speedruns but your breakdown on how they are accomplished and the sad stories of the cheaters are well done and fascinating!
Very professional video, need more views
i like that their idea of holding on to the integrity of Goldeneye speed running is to just let Henning get away with cheating🤣🤣
I will never understand high score or speed run cheating. I don't understand what people get out of faking times or scores.
Well said near the end. That part about setting one's own personal goals is important to remember.