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It's because he submitted under the name "Hugh G. Butts" and got banned. If only he used his real name they'd know the talent they were dealing with. Jokes aside though. 2 years for an alt.
0:02 you can tell this is fake because there is no heart rate, no pizza, and the excitement looks genuine (which everyone knows real world records look oddly calm with false excitement that looks almost forced to perform). On top of that, you can see the loading screen for bond when finishing the level is actually mame.
I can see rejecting the WR and maybe a month ban. Like "ha ha very funny don't do it again". 2 YEARS is a huge part of a speedrunner's career for a prank.
Terrible representation of what happened. The guy also claims he deleted the full run due to space reasons (lol), when he clearly knows this would probably be asked for validation...
its funny because they polled this on the forums and the community said "fake person but real run". and then when "The Council" polled for action, 2 said ban/freeze, 2 said no action, and 2 said freeze but keep run. and then the council was like "oh well... we don't have a consensus but technically 4 said to freeze across the two options so we'll freeze him". like?? mods were petty and out to get him
old fuddy duddies run the show I guess, it's literally whoever shows up first and sticks around runs the times. I bet they have an official discord that's dead and an unofficial one that's thriving too lol happened to one of the games I ran
@@clubclubclassics technically 4 said keep the run over two options too. yeah the mods fucked up here. also asking for a face shot is not reasonable. you don't need to reveal your identity to speedrun a game under any circumstance.
@@zergu-yf3gd Those guys are bullied losers. They banned him from submitting new records, wtf. They are not the owners of the game or the speedrun community.
Misleading usernames are a problem in other speedrunning communities as well. It turns out that dogplayingtetris is not actually a dog, and slipperynip's nips are in fact dry and quite abrasive.
The goldeneye speedrunning community is so f'ing weird. Henning cheated basically everything he ever did, but is spoken about in awe and as "a great guy with talent" and it was nearly impossible to kick him out, but an old man looking down is vilified to hell and back, and a guy making a completely harmless little prank is immediately banned for 2 years. "he broke trust in a community" - his run met multiple standards for proof and all he did was prank a bit. And again, Henning was given like, 15 different chances. Just... so weird.
You aren't wrong - Henning was a little after my reign so I cant really comment and Goose well he had many alts - I do also believe 2 years is a bit brash for the lack of words - Maybe like 3 months or something stating we would like to see continued game play with 21 fails alot along with the possible 21 WR - It is one of the easier times to splice unfortunately for people who know how to do that - The different control style strat definitely saves that 1 to 1.5s on the level so 21 seems fairly legit to achieve
He was banned because he made the boomer mods look stupid. What kind of speedrunning community actively rejects the times of good players because they don't like them? Community seems stagnant as hell with the same old faces chasing the same old times.
@@paintsplatkid13 - Yeah I mean thats logical - The problem also is if this person or for instance others (which probably has happened multiple times in the past) continue to do these bait and switches - This becomes a nuance during holiday season for the mods of the community off someones parody/spoof/prank what have you - So I can see how they took their time around this type of continued situation - Its not easy for anyone but yeah a 3 yr ban is a GGRIP
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-herThere’s an old video on Karl’s channel from 5 years ago called “This Discovery Almost Killed GoldenEye Speedrunning”. I suggest you check out the video but basically, a speedrunner who I think was in his 50s if I remember correctly (I’ll have to watch the video again and I’ll edit this comment if I’m wrong) who discovered the look down strat. Afterwards, people were pretty upset because despite the fact that it’ll allow them to get faster times, their game wouldn’t be as fun with them looking down at the ground the whole time, which I totally understand. I don’t know why anyone would be a speedrunner if they don’t genuinely enjoy playing the game. Young Karl at the time even said on the forums that he also was going to quit playing due to the new strat. Fortunately, the community eventually found a better and more fun strat that didn’t require looking down the whole time, but I would’ve hated to have been the one to almost destroy a community that it is very near and dear to many people’s hearts. Sadly, the speedrunner who discovered the strat is now dead, which Karl wished for him to rest in peace.
Showing a "whole session" of at least 30 minutes can be a brutal request if someone gets a record in their first run of the night. A few years back, I got a record I'd been working towards for years, but it was on my first run of the night. I'm thankful that community didn't have such a rule.
If the reasoning is to show consistent gameplay: in theory you should be able to show near record attempts in subsequent runs. If they are really lacking disk space: that could end up being the stronger limitation.
@@jamesphillips2285 I mean, that's not always how that works. A Majora's Mask world record was rejected because they person got 15 seconds over their PB and couldn't come within 8 seconds on subsequent runs in an ample amount of time. It later turned out that the run was real but they never got recognition until after it was no longer a record simply because some disgusting neckbeard had a power trip.
Except this person wasn't trusted and had 1 video so of course you'd need to see regular sessions. If you were a consistent player uploading videos / times, you wouldn't be asked to provide session times. Getting it first try on the night would be irrelevant.
For this exact reason I always do a "proofcall" run when I do my first attempt at frigate, where I purposely go a little slow, get to the end to show that the hostages aren't choosing the fastest escape spot each run, and that Obj A isn't completing everytime. A console reset at the end of the PB also goes a long way
Where are the rules to stop mods digging into your personal life? They want face-reveal, identifying objects, investigating IPs, what the heck. This can easily go way too far way too fast. Also 2 years seems harsher than most cheaters ever get.
These mods wanted to hit on a new girl to speed running. That's literally all this was. Then they raged when they found out it was just a dude. "Ok, send us a picture of your face" outs the golden eye team as predators.
@@Guenwhyever With their chidlish response to ban the guy I suspect that was a case of them being butthurt a woman could claim world record, so they made their life mission to find something. Speedruning community reaches levels of gatekeeping not thought possible.
@@litessbu lmao? How does a face reveal say who they are? Who did they claim to be? Will a face reveal of me prove I am "guen why"? A face reveal proves literally nothing other than what your face looks like.
@litessbu dude I am not a private detective, I don't know these people, I am merely using comments secontion to comment on the situation. Banning the dude for 2 years looks to me like childish act of spite so I try to rationalise it in that direction. But I still argue creating new youtube channel to cause a moderate amount of mischief on the leaderboard counts as Roleplaying. You create a fictional person and play some kind of game/scenario as them.
Honestly I don't think it is. Karl said it best that speed run communities are built on a foundation of trust and he just spit on the whole concept. They have to deal with ever increasing and elaborate cheaters all the time and we've seen tons of videos on this channel alone of people worming their way into communities and being dishonest for years; so to have someone come and just screw with them for no reason other than to just do so, 2 years is light imo. I'd have thrown him out for good.
Yeah seems a bit harsh, I mean it is a bit disappointing that this was a legit run by all metrics they grade runs by, the mods just didn't like the "joke" -They could maybe afford to lighten up a little bit, just give him a six month block or make him write a 12 page essay on why he's sorry for having a stupid sense of humor or something.
Integrity is rare these days. I 100% believe Karl when he says he wants it to show if it’s legit. Obviously you don’t want anyone to beat your time, but i think Karl rather have a healthy community that is thriving, and still competetive. So kudos to that.
@@bastiaan0741 He is the world record holder and as such his word has some weight in that specific speedrun community. And in the end its the community that decides what they regard valid and not some ook ooks that run the website.
Someone beats his time, and because of a technicality, it won't be on the leaderboards, so he takes the time to make sure it's known about. Karl, _you_ are the absolute legend. Your video on the Chasm speedrun in Doom II was what got me interested in speedrunning in the first place, just from an academic standpoint. It's not a way to play that I enjoy, but I still respect the absolute heck out of it.
Same here! I first encountered Karl's channel because of the Dream drama and how much he focussed on the issues instead of personalities (which was making it very hard for me to actually work out what was HAPPENING in the first bloody place!), and then discovered that all his videos are at the same standard! Speedrunning absolutely isn't for me either, but the love and respect he has for it and how technical he's willing to get to explain why something is fake scratches a very specific mental itch I have.
Them not meeting the proof standards is not a fucking "technicality". How is everyone else missing this? If this person had still submitted this in the exact same way without the session proof, it still wouldn't have been accepted, they just wouldn't have been banned for two years.
@@hoodedman6579It absolutely would have been accepted, because he did meet proof standards. He couldn't provide a session recording, but did provide an unprecedented live session instead. But he never would've reached that point under his real name, bc he was an established player with other records. He got banned only because he fooled them. Not for any real reason. It's a disservice to even call it a technicality.
@@noahblack914 no it didn't meet standards because this level is infamous for being easy to cheat without detection in one off videos. If you can't show a few runs leading up to the WR where the hostages don't behave with perfect RNG, then it's possible you modified the game before the recording started. Not being able to show either the session or another WR in a live play (since you got another run a few days after the first it should be easy right?) means the run should be thrown out.
If you want to insult someone, please make sure you don’t make yourself look like an idiot in the process. “‘No makes a fool of us, banned!!!’” is some of the worst grammar I’ve seen on the entirety of the internet.
@@theglitchedmissile9239 So would 99% of the English speaking population. It’s fundamentally different language. Also, we aren’t speaking Old English here, are we? At least I think aren’t.
@@litessbu @litessbu my point is that you correcting someone for such a small mistake and quite frankly a mistake any person including professionals in the field will ignore, Turn it on it's head and corrected someone to get your internet points is silly. That's why I said that because you're the type of person to correct someone who is speaking old English because it seems like broken English to you but it's too many words so your head explodes.
I think that 2 years freeze feels a bit extreme for an obvious goof Like, I get it, encouraging lying even as a joke is bad, but he did seriously get the run as far as anyone can tell.
@@Champ1on282 That's a heck of a jump in logic. Lying about not knowing about session recording could just as easily be about maintaining the fake appearance than anything malicious, to jump immediately to that conclusion is extremely hasty.
Well, personally, if 21 isn't achieved by the end of 2025, Philip might just come back, be serious about it, and actually post a real video. Time will tell.
Yeah, two years is the mods pouting. I think AT MOST they should have made a public post about how they don't want people doing that and made him submit the run under his main account.
I think it’s good for him. I like watching speedruns but the people that dedicate their lives to speedrunning are extremely sad. Maybe now he can have a better life and move on. It’s not worth spending your whole life in communities like that
‘I have discussed it with the other council members’ those admins need to get a grip on reality. Surprised he didn’t refer to them as the ‘circle of elders’
Yeah they are unbelievably cringe. That’s why it’s not so bad he’s going to be gone for 2 years. Maybe he can have a better life and move on from that toxic environment
@@waccness449 I don't speedrun, but seeing shit like this definitely puts me off joining the community. I don't want to spend hundreds of hours trying to beat a record only to be faced with that sort of drama from people with massively-inflated self importance. This is both extremely cringe and gatekeepey, considering the runner in this case provided every bit of proof asked of him, even going so far as to manage the run twice to meet their demands. There is absolutely no reason that they couldn't have just put the time under his original name and left it at that. But they didn't, because he dared to poke fun at the holy sanctity of the goldeneye speedrunning community, which as we know is extremely serious and absolutely not a laughing matter. Having fun is for casuals.
@@midastheunwise2423 what's the "fun" in throwing a wrench into the process? It's amazing how a person can maliciously waste others' time and go "tee hee it's only fuuuuuuun :3" and people will mock the "sanctity" of the process. Things don't need to be holy for people to get tired of your BS. 99% of the time mods take things too seriously and are on an obvious powertrip but this is the case that makes me sympathize with them. People will try to undermine your efforts and then a crowd will heckle from the sidelines as if you're the villain for detecting that someone is trying to fool you. Jesus Christ.
If the run happened and met proof standards then it should be on the leaderboards regardless of weird shenanigans and the fact that it isn't harms my personal view of this game's speedrun community
Ten people are officially tied for 22 on the leaderboards, and there at least two recorded runs of 21! It's honestly difficult to take the rankings seriously at all.
A 2 year ban for something that essentially in the grand scheme of things is nothing, if they just rejected his submission I would've raised and eyebrow but ultimately said nothing, but for 2 years because "Speedrunner didn't tell me his identity, so ban him" is a bit much.
It's not that they didn't reveal their identity, it's because they were trying to maintain two separate community identities. It is isn't allowed to populate the leaderboards with multiple identities, and it also creates unnecessary extra work for the mods.
@@olivercharles2930 I agree that trust is important within speedrunning communities, but when a run has met multiple standards of proof several times over, and the only "problem" in the long run was that they didn't know the exact identity of the person uploading, it's kind of ridiculous to punish them so harshly over that and reject the record entirely. Especially when they only proved it was the same person by going so far as to track the IP address based off of something as mundane as "this tv looks familiar". At what point do we realize that ultimately it is just a hobby, and that imposing such paranoia and restrictions likely drives away more people than anything else? If the content itself is proven likely legitimate through multiple sources, then let it stay regardless of who's posting it, unless they've been proven to cheat prior. If anything, the fact that this was done by a legitimate player in the community, just on an alt account, should make it more accepted unless there's reason to believe the run itself was faked. Worse case scenario, you can always just remove the run later when it's proven as fake, or you can include some sort of note on the boards to show that while the run is believed to be legitimate, it should be continuously examined closely until others have matched it.
Joseph Saelee got a score record in NES Tetris while playing on an alt and pretending to be someone called Tyler Pietzch for the lulz, and kept up the Tyler persona before revealing that he was behind it all, and even he didn't get punished nearly as severely as this. I really think that a 2 year ban is far too disproportionate for this, especially since Philip was already an established player otherwise. Yes, he wasted the mods' time and had them on a wild goose chase for a few months, but it really feels, to me, that the mods are taking their duty far too seriously for what is a game where you just run and shoot people with a gun. Imagine if a more elite player like, I don't know, Karl Jobst himself did this sort of thing. EDIT: Also, them completely disregarding the poll results and interpreting it as a 4-2 despite actually being 2-2-2 is completely arbitrary and I think that speaks more of the mod team than it does about Philip himself. They don't even explain their reasons for interpreting it that way. Simply put, they look like a complete joke.
@@olivercharles2930I wish I had your confidence to just completely disregard a compelling argument with valid points. To live a life in complete black and white
Isn't wasting people's time for months for laughs a behaviour that should be discouraged? I don't know if the ban was too long, but I can understand the annoyance of the mods.
The leaderboards aren't a collection of who is trustworthy or a good person. They are what legitimate runs are the fastest. If Philip/Rebecca did a real legitimate 0:21 it belongs on the leaderboard period.
The problem is, we do not know if its a legitimate run. This might be legit run. The problem is this entire situation is very suspicious, almost to comical levels. How many countless hours do you think people have spent trying to get 21s, just to have him beat it to post it as a smurf, then beat it again a few days later? What are the statistical odds of that happening (to be fair, he estimates to took him another 60 hours)? The next big red flag was when he said he deleted the raw footage because the file size was too large, yet we later found he had been in the community for well over a decade, so he should have known the importance of keeping those recordings (he could have even uploaded them to a private youtube channel if he really needed the HDD space).
@@chriss8825 He/She provided more than adequate proof of the run and complied to all of the moderators request and got frozen for 2 years anyways, meanwhile Henning cheated nearly everything he did and it took him a billion years to get banned for good and is still revered as being "talented". Its bs and biased from mods trying to prove some kind of point, as far as we know the run is legit but because it was posted by a silly smurf account its invalid and they got frozen for 2 years right off the bat
I think people agree about that. But there's a lot of question to the legitimacy. One of the major reasons that you'd submit a run under a secondary account is to avoid suffering blowback if it's found out to be cheated. The ban was more justifiable for "playing dumb" with the mods regarding proof standards than it was for anything regarding identity. Knowing who was behind the account proved it was someone who had the capability to provide good proof, but didn't and then lied about the reasons for it.
He achieved the new record legitimately, but the score was rejected and he was banned for two years because he made up a fake name for a new account? Haven't other people used new accounts with false names to post speedruns before without issues? That seems completely unreasonable.
@@CrucibleOfHate I'm just curious why most people are so willing to BELIEVE him after he lied multiple times about things he didn't need to. I'm not saying once a liar always a liar but I'm saying that once you lie, trust is lost. When other players have been caught cheating on a run they sometime say "OK I cheated on this run, but my other runs are TOTALLY legit". You wouldn't believe that guy would you? So why would you believe someone that went so out of their way to lie repeatedly? The dude got a VPN, pretended to be a woman and painted his nails to further sell his lies all in order to do God knows what.
@@co7769 Uh. I don't actually care that much. BUT. Ad Hominem. Slippery slope. False equivocation. XD Nah but pretending to be a girl on the internet is nothing new, the legitimacy of the run is the only thing that matters. On the other hand I will give a thumbs up to that comment, which was much better than the last one.
@@janah6473 they could also just not be weird the second a woman appears, and not insist on knowing everything about her tracking her IP and demanding face reveals, i mean thats always an option
Is it normal for speedrunner mods to demand face reveals, try to determine ID from IP addresses, and practically dox someone? Is submitting a speedrun under a new name and wanting anonymity the same thing as cheating or something? This is a ridiculous ruling.
Unfortunately, it seems to become more and more common. I have even seen people argue that if you don't live stream and upload everything to TH-cam AND have an audience in both places, in an attempt at turning it into career. The run should be banned because it is suspect. Of course, this was said by some speedrunners with a large audience already. In an attack against a new player.
@@SgtAStrawberry Were those speedrunners you mentioned Trackmania players perchance? Considering the awful treatment the player Bob92 recevied for the "horrible crimes" of simply wanting to keep his privacy and having no interest in actively participating in the TM community, this is something I could imagine guys like Wirtual would say.
Mods thought that a girl was speedrunning so they demanded a face reveal. After that they probably would have told her to take her socks off too if she wanted on the leaderboard
For being weird and suspicious, he could've told credible people to vouch for him. But no go the most suspicious and mistrust invoking path for a lil trollin'
If you lie about your identity and go to great lengths to continue your lie, you're lucky if you don't get banned for life. If you want a record, how hard is it to just submit the shit honestly?
Set a precedent. Speed rank moderators shouldn't have to muck around regularly midnighting as noir detectives all because a player "wants to play a prank as a new submitter". If it's a slap on the wrist, then they *will* have to do that because other people will be encouraged that there's 'no penalty' for doing so.
@@ivolol But why does it matter "who it is"? If the run is legit, and the person maybe just doesn't want their face plastered across the internet, is that not ok? I get it, it was a bit trolly here, but I mean in general terms: Is it not allowed to participate while remaining private, as in not showing your face or revealing your identity?
This feels petty and unprofessional from the mods, no trust was broken because there was no foul play involved and it was at worst a waste of time for mod team. If anybody asks me, I'm going to say the WR is 0:21 by Rebecca Smiths going forward.
@@Ark_Strike the trolling is foul play with it bringing two major problems with it also your acting like that waste of time was not awful to go through
if anything hes wasting peoples time. I do think 2 years is too harsh. I think a few months would suffice unless actual cheating was detected in the run. I dont care whether his runs are counted or not. He fucked around so thats on him if they dont count
I somehow pranked myself into thinking RWhiteGoose was named "RSWhiteGoose", guessed early that it was a established runner lying about their identity, but thought it was Goose circumventing a ban the entire time.
So if he put a bag over his head, called himself FartMaster420, and shown the 21 on camera it would be on the board? This seems more petty from the mod team. Just abscond him for the deception about his name and honor the 21
If they had done the 21 on camera, or shown the runs leading up to it to prove the 21 wasnt faked then the name wouldn't have mattered. What matters is the lying and being as sketchy as possible wasting everyones time without providing proof even after being found out.
@@TurtleKwitty Yup that's the part people are forgetting, this is not an easy record. To get it twice when you "just so happen" to be missing the proof in the first place... then to violate everyone's trust and waste their time? Why should that record be accepted even if you know it's a player who can play to that standard? No proof was ever provided, first video was ghosting, neither had a session. Action replay could've been on in both and it wouldn't effect the footage. If it was "just a different name" like people are stating, then said different name should've posted to the appropriate standard. They're a runner who should know this. They had two chances to meet that standard but just so happened to mess them both up? Consider that 2 years is light if the run really is cheated, and we'll never know. Framing it as a prank lets them get off easy, exactly why they made that excuse.
Even if it isnt faked, forcing the volunteers on the mod team to waste their time with an investigation is just a shitty thing to do. I think he deserved whag he got
Keep switching the VPN if that doesn't work use a proxy if that fails use tor Keep trying cause on the internet it doesn't matter who you are. Im a 3 Year old, a record is a time and if that time is beatin it doesn't matter who or what you are
Wow I knew The Elite had some of the most over-the-top moderation, but a 2 year ban when in reality nothing bad happened. This is literally just punishing people for posting jokes. It's very much (as Karl definitely knows) a close-knit club that's difficult to join and feel like "one of the gang" even if you've been playing your whole life. There's a second community though at least. At the end of the day, it's about playing the game. Edit: Just to be clear in case my tone is misread. I think Karl is a legend, and I love this video highlighting this run we would otherwise not get to see.
They kept trying to IP locate a woman instead of outright asking for a face reveal. They got horny as shit and then pissy like little children. Mods on power trips need to be removed.
The scariest realization this video lead me to was the fact that if I fart and deny it, then I may risk getting banned for 2 years due to deception and circumventing proof standards.
This just comes off as the mods getting salty that the were the butt of a joke, a 2 year ban is fucking crazy for a small prank that didn't harm anybody. Then again most "moderators" are just power-hungry losers that would react this way, so I'm not surprised in the slightest.
@@LiEnby That a completely unknown person appeared with a legit WR. And instead of trying to find out if the WR was legit, the mods went on some completely nuts "mission" to find out the person's identity for some reason of their own
@@MaskedDeath_ But that didnt happen. They asked for a session, werent provided one, then asked for live-play and noticed the oddity of this player probably being someone else. They didnt START with the assumption.
I love that you care more about the world record than about it being *your* record. It shows a level of deep respect and affection for both the game and the speedrunning community that is really lovely.
That would've been great. But when I saw the video, my dreams were crushed. That was definitely a man's hands and legs. I will admit the nail polish was a nice touch 😂
Wait a second,... something along the same lines occurred in Tetris with a Pro Player,... but it was accepted there ? This just seems like a good ol boys club kinda thing, and a 2 year ban is harsh, and comes off as just a way to let someone else claim the time first now, especially after seeing gameplay and strats used. Kinda sus
yeah, really sounds like in doing this he showed that the community treats insiders differently than new players, seems kinda unreasonable not only for the ban but when they thought they didn't know him to suddenly ask for more proof than they request of their own. If they need that proof to be sure why is it not required for EVERY submission???
@@1Raptor85 You're thinking too deep. The mods were crowing about "the Discord gamer chick" in the relevant Discords. Even comments about how "she" has nice legs, and about what "her" fingers could do. They were just mad they played themselves.
@@marct8160 ?? nobody cheated in either case though, both just used alternate names, in this case in particular the proof posted is BEYOND what was required of every other person currently on the leaderboard and it all checked out, only the name was changed. That's kinda the point, he wasn't banned for cheating, he was banned for making the discord mods look foolish, and the whole thing kinda makes you question their entire leaderboards legitimacy.
That seems like the most insane overreaction to what seemed like a fairly harmless joke. Top players should do stuff like this once in a while to keep the mods on their toes and see if they reject legit runs for bad reasons
This just seem like the moderators got butthurt and lashed out two years for a harmless prank and they had all the proof necessary and did everything that was asked a what a joke
@@co7769 Because the subject matter topic of discussion is legit and all these cringe f word n word degenerate neckbeard admins couldnt hit a 21, 22, or 23 in their life
That wasn't "fooled them a bit", he wasted multiple peoples time for months for no reason. If he can't respect the time the moderators put on for the good of the community, then no respect should be put on his record either.
@@dapper-alcremie460 I don't think it's ban worthy. But I do think it puts into question everything he says now. Its a totally normal thing to not immediately believe someone after you catch them lying not once, but multiple times. What did the other cheaters say when caught? Oh yea "hey I cheated this run, but the rest are TOTALLY LEGIT". No one believes them and they double check. Why believe him? Why treat him any different? He's given every reason TO NOT be trusted.
@@attractivegd9531 What's not funny is that when first called out, he chose to perpetuate the lie by making excuses and pretending to be another person instead of immediately confessing. He wasn't posting some crap times either, those were world record times and is something the community don't mess around with.
@@MartyMacFry What in the world are you babbling about? There's zero evidence of cheating here. There's only suspicious circumstances (less so when they figured out who it was) plus a little trolling, which doesn't tell us anything about the legitimacy of the runs themselves. If they found *_actual cheating_* it wouldn't be just a 2 year ban.
@@MartyMacFry You guys are thinking way too hard about it. The dude just thought it would be funny to have a random nobody have a single world record, and wanted to get 21 to make it even more stupid, which obviously took a while. He literally detailed the entire thing in the post at 10:35. Whether either of you find that funny is irrelevant, he thought it was a stupid idea and rolled with it. It's really not hard to see why he thought it would be funny.
Everyone mad needs to consider that Karl mentioned many times how ridiculously easy it is to fake this run. That doesn’t just mean it’s easy to get 0:21. It means it is easy to fool people, and they will never know. It’s all about trusting the person submitting the time for this instance, and all the proof in the world wouldn’t make it easier to tell if you were cheating using the GameShark method. That’s why the 2-year ban. It basically ensures he will never own the record, which is the punishment for losing your trust in the community.
@@TronicX yeah, that’s what I’ve seen as well since making my original comment. I still think it’s sus that he didn’t keep the full stream footage of a world record completion, but I cannot deny the mods seem like petty assholes, regardless
2 years ban just for sockpuppeting (is that even against the rules?) is insane and the mod team's behavior feels unreasonable from the start. There can be a ton of legitimate reasons for not wanting to participate in the community, use real legal name, or do a face reveal. Like social anxiety, autism, insecurity about their face, actually being a (closeted) trans person, wanting a separation from their offline persona (not everyone in the leaderboards even show full name in the "real name" column and some of those must be aliases), etc. If mods don't want players doing first time record attempts or offline runs they should make it explicit in the rules instead of assuming that anyone who speedruns differently is a suspect.
@@roeboatwade It means nothing for trans players. Philip isnt trans (as far as we know). He crossdressed "for the fun of it". If Philip legit was trans and told the Mod team about it, this wouldnt have happened. Anyone can transition seriously at any point in time, but this was not that.
Honestly I feel like this should've just ended at the mods rejecting the run on the basis that the "new person" couldn't provide a proof of their play session. I think that would've been the least controversial thing to do, since other popular communities already do require everyone submitting anything close to a world record to provide proof by session recording or streaming - by the sounds of things this isn't a requirement for established players, which if true already sounds incredibly biased. Having said all that, tracking someone's IP to effectively spy on them is taking things too far - and banning Philip from the leader-boards for two years for what basically amounts to using a pseudonym on a record is a ridiculous punishment that far outweighs the crime. The natural consequence of the run being denied was punishment enough - if he truly is capable of it, then it's a damn shame to not let him submit another 0:21 under his actual name with better proof.
this is in pretty stark contrast to the example of joseph saelee, who used the fake identity of tyler pietzsch to debut his tetris world record. instead of being banned in any way when the truth came out, he was already the ctwc world champion and it was brushed off. goes to show that there are very different attitudes towards this kind of thing in different gaming communities.
Problem is in this case the runner didn't prove he hadn't used a widely known Gameshark code to alter the AI of the enemies. It would've taken literally just going right back into the level after beating it and showing this off to prove he wasn't cheating.
Considering some the mods were being creepy and sexually in speed running discords about it being a woman is definitely a key factor here. Also proves yet again they're ego tripping and being creeps yet again given 2 of the mods have been caught pulling a dr disrespect yet still are allowed to be mods.
The moderators probably jorked it to the submission video because there was a girl plus gameplay in frame but decided it was an illegitimate emission because it was actually a guy so 2 years ban seems fair
Perhaps the mods should be held to their own rules and have to provide live face reveals and their full real name? How else can we trust that these exalted members of the community are who they say they are?
The leader boards mean nothing if the best runs dont count without actual proof they are cheated. We think you acted less than honest isnt him cheating, that's some bullshit.
I could argue the opposite, the leaderboards mean nothing if you aren't certain the top runs aren't cheated. Seeing someone lie/avoid proving their runs when a) the runner should know better to "not delete runs" b) the runner only fessed AFTER interrogation/investigation c) we've seen other skilled players cheat Keeping that score keeps the question "is the top score legit?" Legit. I ain't saying mods ain't power hungry, but I think they made the right decision (tho 2 years is a bit wild)
@lich109 Literally the plot of the Ace Attorney games and how Japan goes about convicting a lot of criminals. If this person knew anything about either they should know having to prove being not guilty is a terrible metric.
@@lich109 agreed. Unless you look untrustworthy, then it's the only acceptable standard. And prove you aren't guilty isn't a new thing, we have seen time and time again, people trust people because "they seem legit, and hey they're a good player", only to provide Karl content years later lol
They're good games, sure. But literally requiring two controllers to come close to the same level of control in movement and aiming that is just expected in modern gaming is a flaw, not a feature. Goldeneye and PD were good games for their time, but by no means would they be even remotely successful in the modern times. And that's a feature, not a bug. The gameplay of both those games is wildly outdated, slow, inaccurate, and there's not a single person under the age of 28 that would disagree with that unless they had their head so far up their own ass that they were literally trying to be an ouroboros.
a lot of the original rare team went on to make the timesplitters franchise. which feel a lot more similar to PD and goldeneye than the PD and goldeneye sequel/remake
@@A_Balanced_BreakfastIsn't the only reason for the two controller thing that you can shoot things in the cutscene? He literally said that it is harder to play that way.
Some of the best employees at rare, like Grant Kirkhope himself, we’re at a game convention recently and they played live music. The entire group was fantastic, they’re crazy in the best way possible.
I am not a speed runner nor do I participate in the speed running community but I never miss one of your videos. I find the history of speed running interesting along with the methods people find. You break it down in such a way that makes a normie like me able to understand. Keep up the great work.
I'm so glad I'm not in Goldeneye speedrunning. The mods verdict being "we invented a new proof standard for him and he failed to provide it so now he's banned for 2 years". I would just quit the community on principle.
This made my respect for the GE SR community dip into the negatives. What a worthless group of people, they need to permanently exile those moderators if they ever want to salvage their reputation.
I mean the community keeps using IGT instead of RTA because of tradition. Which means most runs involve a lot of floor watching. They make the dumbest decisions
@@ittapupu7406lying/deception? What about the ip address that was used to identify the individual? Please don't talk about the moderators as hallmarks for moral behavior. Plus, why tf should it matter in the first place? What matters is if he got the 21s time under THEIR proof standards. Anything else is extra bs drama
The moderators probably jorked it to the submission video because there was a girl plus gameplay in frame but decided it was an illegitimate emission because it was actually a guy so 2 years ban seems fair
@@sicksock435446 I see you copy pasting this comment everywhere, 2 year ban is not fair cos the creepy mods wanted those nice legs to belong to a girl lmao
you might be right but I don't have the refined sense of fairness that comes from years of watching goldeneye 64 speedruns and ejaculating to mens feet so I cant say for sure
I can understanding rejecting the runs but I wouldn't ban the guy. He tried to get away with a joke and it's not like it was offensive or anything. Just have him get the run again with the full recording on his main account.
@@olivercharles2930 I think context matters. There are benignant and malignant lies. Telling your child Santa Claus brings them presents on Christmas shouldn't be prosecuted and have you banned from talking to any child ever. It's not like he was actually cheating and saying it was a legit run. He made an entire fake account just for a laugh. Regardless of wether or not he did cheat for the fake account it shouldn't stop him from posting a legit run on his own account
@@CjqNslXUcM given how they treated who from their perspective was a random woman brand new to their community, they would be right to be afraid in that community. Like wow. Sure a first-appearance world record is sus. But from their perspective this was a woman playing with a less than amazing setup, and they response is to track their IP, ask for live footage and face reveals because they don't believe they can play a game well. I can only imagine how much worse the interactions would be for a woman who is in that server for longer, wether they are a real woman or only perceived as one
>No we don't accept that you're better than us because uh... speedrunning uhhh... well speedrunning needs you to facedox yourself and you can't use an alias and uhh that makes your time invalid Pedo mods were probably just sad it wasn't an actual girl and she wasn't underage this time.
Call me crazy, but you really shouldn't have to reveal your fucking identity to people on a goddamn discord. Who the fuck would ever do this? Like that's insanity. It's hilarious how this person did not cheat, did the run legitimately, but since they went under a different name, they got screwed. What a load of shit.
This was amazing. I love Golden Eye 007 on the Nintendo 64 and seeing the world records being beaten the right way is always fun and interesting. Congratulations on having a world record on Golden Eye 007 hopefully one day you beat your on record. Cool video. ^_^
Have you all gone mad? This person got an untied world record on a level that's infamously easy to cheat twice in a short time span with bad video proof on the first time and no session proof on either, while only submitting it while pretending to be a completely different person. Why are you all acting like the run is clearly legitimate and the only problem is identity thing? Because it seems to me like that run absolutely should not be accepted regardless. Also, why are you all acting like outright lying about who you actually are to the point that you don't understand proof standards is all perfectly fine? It's still a lie, and it only makes the run look worse.
That is true outside of a leaderboard, but for the purposes of the leaderboard it is important. I think it’s reasonable to not allow aliases on the leaderboard. Maybe you disagree, but I can think of only downsides to allowing it.
@@calebland6246 i think that speedrunning should not be 'hey come dox yourself!' and anyone who thinks so should go fuck themselves and be nowhere near speedrunning moderation, and honestly if tehy have an issue with this there probably gonna end up being transphobic wether intentionally or not.
Congratulations to Rebecca Smith for the new world record of 0:21! Mod's decision is insanely stupid in this case. Either they can find some evidence of cheating in the gameplay provided, or they can accept the run. Who cares about using an alias? People may want to compartmentalise their online presence for any number of reasons, not least of which if they were considering transitioning. If that is the case then it seems like the mods here gave them the ultimatum to either be forced out of the closet or just play it off as a joke alias.
What do you expect from a community which: 1- Calls themselves "The Elite" and have the moderation team call themselves "the council". 2- Uses IGT as a standard instead of a RTA just because of tradition 3- IGT makes runs boring as shit to watch and I imagine play (so much time looking at the floor) 4- IGT makes it extremely easy to cheat since you can just splice the final timer in a good enough run
In previous videos on this channel we've seen that it's high level players who have a bigger incentive to cheat runs Trust in a high level player that a run posted is legit literally shouldn't mean anything, it should be fully on a case by case basis If this run found legit, it should be posted in the rankings, regardless of loss of trust in Philip by the mod team If someone's legit run gets denied because of circumstances unrelated to the direct contents of the run, it calls into question the credibility of the whole leaderboard Edit:typo
This is really dumb. But you know what isn't dumb? Asphalt Legends Unite!
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I guess another (probably unofficial) rule about speedruns is: if you complete a legit speedrun. . . don't pretend to be someone else.
I watched the full sponsor,
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Nah that's dumb too
no
Billy Mitchell did Frigate in 12 seconds way back in 1998. I can't believe he's not getting the recognition he deserves.
It's because he submitted under the name "Hugh G. Butts" and got banned.
If only he used his real name they'd know the talent they were dealing with.
Jokes aside though. 2 years for an alt.
He's been too busy suing everyone to post it.
*insists he wouldn't touch it unless it was an authentic N64 controller.
*is photographed with a MadCatz
Sadly, he used a red joypad, so it wasn't allowed ;)
I heard he used an exploit where he started the map in 2nd gear, that nobody has been able to recreate since
0:02 you can tell this is fake because there is no heart rate, no pizza, and the excitement looks genuine (which everyone knows real world records look oddly calm with false excitement that looks almost forced to perform). On top of that, you can see the loading screen for bond when finishing the level is actually mame.
They didn't even stop to drink their soda in between freeing hostages. That's how you know it isn't legit.
Mame? No, no mames.
@@StayAwayFromMyCat Yup, only a top tier runner would stop to drink some soda while they were switching the controller schemes.
Oh my lord, I read "excitement" as "excrement".
@@vicpariah3444 Oh, those false excrements.
I can see rejecting the WR and maybe a month ban. Like "ha ha very funny don't do it again". 2 YEARS is a huge part of a speedrunner's career for a prank.
Not like they can really ban people anyway just their current account
"The real reason is far dumber than anything you can come up with"
You underestimate the power of my stupidity
And the extent of mine
"Its really odd that someone who's not a top player would get a world record."
*finds out he is a top player*
"Well, i guess it's time to ban him"
Terrible representation of what happened. The guy also claims he deleted the full run due to space reasons (lol), when he clearly knows this would probably be asked for validation...
its funny because they polled this on the forums and the community said "fake person but real run". and then when "The Council" polled for action, 2 said ban/freeze, 2 said no action, and 2 said freeze but keep run. and then the council was like "oh well... we don't have a consensus but technically 4 said to freeze across the two options so we'll freeze him". like?? mods were petty and out to get him
old fuddy duddies run the show I guess, it's literally whoever shows up first and sticks around runs the times. I bet they have an official discord that's dead and an unofficial one that's thriving too lol happened to one of the games I ran
@@clubclubclassics technically 4 said keep the run over two options too. yeah the mods fucked up here. also asking for a face shot is not reasonable. you don't need to reveal your identity to speedrun a game under any circumstance.
@@zergu-yf3gd Those guys are bullied losers. They banned him from submitting new records, wtf. They are not the owners of the game or the speedrun community.
Misleading usernames are a problem in other speedrunning communities as well. It turns out that dogplayingtetris is not actually a dog, and slipperynip's nips are in fact dry and quite abrasive.
Both should be banned for two years. I'm upset.
What!? This is an outrage! Next you'll tell me that xx_420_blazit_xx was caught running while sober!
I'll come back to this comment a couple of times when I'm high just for the good laugh.
I want to know how you found out the truth about slipperynip.
Hang on a second! What do their tvs look like? That’s how we’ll really know what true or not
"To submit times we're gonna need a photo ID, bank statement, social security card, birth certificate and your full medical records."
"All records must be accompanied by fingerprints and a DNA sample to be stored and tested against our database."
No drug tests?
Or maybe not lie, destroy the videos of the runs, and follow the guidelines you are well aware of.
Are those real requirements or are you just being facetious?
@@frankpagel39 "the test must return positive"
The goldeneye speedrunning community is so f'ing weird.
Henning cheated basically everything he ever did, but is spoken about in awe and as "a great guy with talent" and it was nearly impossible to kick him out, but an old man looking down is vilified to hell and back, and a guy making a completely harmless little prank is immediately banned for 2 years.
"he broke trust in a community" - his run met multiple standards for proof and all he did was prank a bit.
And again, Henning was given like, 15 different chances.
Just... so weird.
You aren't wrong - Henning was a little after my reign so I cant really comment and Goose well he had many alts - I do also believe 2 years is a bit brash for the lack of words - Maybe like 3 months or something stating we would like to see continued game play with 21 fails alot along with the possible 21 WR - It is one of the easier times to splice unfortunately for people who know how to do that - The different control style strat definitely saves that 1 to 1.5s on the level so 21 seems fairly legit to achieve
He was banned because he made the boomer mods look stupid. What kind of speedrunning community actively rejects the times of good players because they don't like them? Community seems stagnant as hell with the same old faces chasing the same old times.
What happened with "an old man looking down"?
@@paintsplatkid13 - Yeah I mean thats logical - The problem also is if this person or for instance others (which probably has happened multiple times in the past) continue to do these bait and switches - This becomes a nuance during holiday season for the mods of the community off someones parody/spoof/prank what have you - So I can see how they took their time around this type of continued situation - Its not easy for anyone but yeah a 3 yr ban is a GGRIP
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-herThere’s an old video on Karl’s channel from 5 years ago called “This Discovery Almost Killed GoldenEye Speedrunning”. I suggest you check out the video but basically, a speedrunner who I think was in his 50s if I remember correctly (I’ll have to watch the video again and I’ll edit this comment if I’m wrong) who discovered the look down strat.
Afterwards, people were pretty upset because despite the fact that it’ll allow them to get faster times, their game wouldn’t be as fun with them looking down at the ground the whole time, which I totally understand. I don’t know why anyone would be a speedrunner if they don’t genuinely enjoy playing the game. Young Karl at the time even said on the forums that he also was going to quit playing due to the new strat. Fortunately, the community eventually found a better and more fun strat that didn’t require looking down the whole time, but I would’ve hated to have been the one to almost destroy a community that it is very near and dear to many people’s hearts. Sadly, the speedrunner who discovered the strat is now dead, which Karl wished for him to rest in peace.
The fact the mods are so involved that they recognized his tv is insane LOL
"so involved" yeah bro was one of the top runners, of course they would recognize the stuff he would have all the time.
Also it is a very unique-looking TV.
Fun fact that i have the same one.
For me the most obvious clue was the male hands holding the controller and the blatant nail polish
@@rashiro7262 I thought transgender..
I saw Billy Mitchell do it in 20 seconds. But he doesn't want to talk about it since he doesn't like to toot his own horn.
I would say this is a lie but I don’t want billy to sue me
@@brandonwashburn2682 no, its true. ask todd togers, he can confirm
Did he use an original black joystick?
you can pay him on Cameo to toot his own horn
I also witnessed this feat!
Showing a "whole session" of at least 30 minutes can be a brutal request if someone gets a record in their first run of the night.
A few years back, I got a record I'd been working towards for years, but it was on my first run of the night. I'm thankful that community didn't have such a rule.
If the reasoning is to show consistent gameplay: in theory you should be able to show near record attempts in subsequent runs.
If they are really lacking disk space: that could end up being the stronger limitation.
@@jamesphillips2285 I mean, that's not always how that works. A Majora's Mask world record was rejected because they person got 15 seconds over their PB and couldn't come within 8 seconds on subsequent runs in an ample amount of time. It later turned out that the run was real but they never got recognition until after it was no longer a record simply because some disgusting neckbeard had a power trip.
Except this person wasn't trusted and had 1 video so of course you'd need to see regular sessions. If you were a consistent player uploading videos / times, you wouldn't be asked to provide session times. Getting it first try on the night would be irrelevant.
it was requested because it was a completely unknown player with no history
For this exact reason I always do a "proofcall" run when I do my first attempt at frigate, where I purposely go a little slow, get to the end to show that the hostages aren't choosing the fastest escape spot each run, and that Obj A isn't completing everytime. A console reset at the end of the PB also goes a long way
Where are the rules to stop mods digging into your personal life? They want face-reveal, identifying objects, investigating IPs, what the heck. This can easily go way too far way too fast.
Also 2 years seems harsher than most cheaters ever get.
These mods wanted to hit on a new girl to speed running. That's literally all this was. Then they raged when they found out it was just a dude. "Ok, send us a picture of your face" outs the golden eye team as predators.
@@Guenwhyever With their chidlish response to ban the guy I suspect that was a case of them being butthurt a woman could claim world record, so they made their life mission to find something. Speedruning community reaches levels of gatekeeping not thought possible.
@@litessbu easy, they had to rub it in. They abused their board moderators status to make an example of a guy who dared to roleplay as a girl.
@@litessbu lmao? How does a face reveal say who they are? Who did they claim to be? Will a face reveal of me prove I am "guen why"? A face reveal proves literally nothing other than what your face looks like.
@litessbu dude I am not a private detective, I don't know these people, I am merely using comments secontion to comment on the situation. Banning the dude for 2 years looks to me like childish act of spite so I try to rationalise it in that direction.
But I still argue creating new youtube channel to cause a moderate amount of mischief on the leaderboard counts as Roleplaying. You create a fictional person and play some kind of game/scenario as them.
2 years is insane for this.
Honestly I don't think it is. Karl said it best that speed run communities are built on a foundation of trust and he just spit on the whole concept. They have to deal with ever increasing and elaborate cheaters all the time and we've seen tons of videos on this channel alone of people worming their way into communities and being dishonest for years; so to have someone come and just screw with them for no reason other than to just do so, 2 years is light imo. I'd have thrown him out for good.
a seasoned live streamer "didn't know about session recording" seems like he defiantly cheated
@@gorgeouszan🤣
Yeah seems a bit harsh, I mean it is a bit disappointing that this was a legit run by all metrics they grade runs by, the mods just didn't like the "joke" -They could maybe afford to lighten up a little bit, just give him a six month block or make him write a 12 page essay on why he's sorry for having a stupid sense of humor or something.
@@gorgeouszan get the stick out of your ass dude my god
I have more of an issue with him calling himself "A Significant Sex Machine"
Like, where's proof of that
@@PS3PCDJ live stream proof*
That is an issue...
Exactly, proof or it didn't happen!
Yea, I hear his record is 21 seconds, including foreplay.
I appreciate the intellectual honesty of being able to say "If this is truly legit, I want it up there, even if it dislodges my own time".
Integrity is rare these days.
I 100% believe Karl when he says he wants it to show if it’s legit.
Obviously you don’t want anyone to beat your time, but i think Karl rather have a healthy community that is thriving, and still competetive.
So kudos to that.
@@ollegrahn1937definitely, even the making of this video proves that
Pretty hollow since it already isn't going to be, and it's not up to him.
Because Karl has integrity and a spine. Unlike the people of the website.
@@bastiaan0741 He is the world record holder and as such his word has some weight in that specific speedrun community. And in the end its the community that decides what they regard valid and not some ook ooks that run the website.
So he followed every rule up to and including a face reveal, which has never been requested of anyone else before, and they banned him anyway? lol
they were sad that it wasn't a girl 🤭
they were sad that it wasn't a girl 🤭
they were sad that it wasn't a girl 🤭
they were sad that it wasn't a girl 🤭
they were sad that it wasn't a girl 🤭
Someone beats his time, and because of a technicality, it won't be on the leaderboards, so he takes the time to make sure it's known about. Karl, _you_ are the absolute legend.
Your video on the Chasm speedrun in Doom II was what got me interested in speedrunning in the first place, just from an academic standpoint. It's not a way to play that I enjoy, but I still respect the absolute heck out of it.
chasm plays ball not doom lol
Same here! I first encountered Karl's channel because of the Dream drama and how much he focussed on the issues instead of personalities (which was making it very hard for me to actually work out what was HAPPENING in the first bloody place!), and then discovered that all his videos are at the same standard! Speedrunning absolutely isn't for me either, but the love and respect he has for it and how technical he's willing to get to explain why something is fake scratches a very specific mental itch I have.
Them not meeting the proof standards is not a fucking "technicality". How is everyone else missing this? If this person had still submitted this in the exact same way without the session proof, it still wouldn't have been accepted, they just wouldn't have been banned for two years.
@@hoodedman6579It absolutely would have been accepted, because he did meet proof standards. He couldn't provide a session recording, but did provide an unprecedented live session instead. But he never would've reached that point under his real name, bc he was an established player with other records.
He got banned only because he fooled them. Not for any real reason. It's a disservice to even call it a technicality.
@@noahblack914 no it didn't meet standards because this level is infamous for being easy to cheat without detection in one off videos. If you can't show a few runs leading up to the WR where the hostages don't behave with perfect RNG, then it's possible you modified the game before the recording started. Not being able to show either the session or another WR in a live play (since you got another run a few days after the first it should be easy right?) means the run should be thrown out.
lol what a power trip. “No makes a fool of us, banned!!!” Mods being mods.
If you want to insult someone, please make sure you don’t make yourself look like an idiot in the process. “‘No makes a fool of us, banned!!!’” is some of the worst grammar I’ve seen on the entirety of the internet.
@@litessbu still,u understood the message. these mods did not lol
@@litessbuyou will get an aneurysm when you see one sentence of old english
@@theglitchedmissile9239 So would 99% of the English speaking population. It’s fundamentally different language. Also, we aren’t speaking Old English here, are we? At least I think aren’t.
@@litessbu @litessbu my point is that you correcting someone for such a small mistake and quite frankly a mistake any person including professionals in the field will ignore, Turn it on it's head and corrected someone to get your internet points is silly. That's why I said that because you're the type of person to correct someone who is speaking old English because it seems like broken English to you but it's too many words so your head explodes.
I think that 2 years freeze feels a bit extreme for an obvious goof
Like, I get it, encouraging lying even as a joke is bad, but he did seriously get the run as far as anyone can tell.
a seasoned live streamer "didn't know about session recording" seems like he defiantly cheated
@@Champ1on282 That's a heck of a jump in logic. Lying about not knowing about session recording could just as easily be about maintaining the fake appearance than anything malicious, to jump immediately to that conclusion is extremely hasty.
Well, personally, if 21 isn't achieved by the end of 2025, Philip might just come back, be serious about it, and actually post a real video.
Time will tell.
bro the council be diabolical fr. They cut throat.
@@OnlyFoolio not enough most competitions would ban you for life and make you pay them
I am usually not a fan of pranks and all but maybe a 2 year ban is crazy. Get him to provide 2 proofs or something
Yeah, two years is the mods pouting.
I think AT MOST they should have made a public post about how they don't want people doing that and made him submit the run under his main account.
@@IDKThatOneDude yeah that's very fair. Or do the Bethesda stupid apology thing with a 500 word essay or something
@@Karthig1987 to be fair, that one kind of became obsolete since the AI started being able to write mostly coherent texts
I think it’s good for him. I like watching speedruns but the people that dedicate their lives to speedrunning are extremely sad. Maybe now he can have a better life and move on. It’s not worth spending your whole life in communities like that
@@waccness449 Do you have hobbies?
Are you sure they were forum moderators and not reddit moderators lmao
>asks for proof
>gets proof
>"umm but you said you were a girl"
‘I have discussed it with the other council members’ those admins need to get a grip on reality. Surprised he didn’t refer to them as the ‘circle of elders’
Most moderators in the speedrun scene make Discord mods look like secret service agents.
They also determined a 2-2-2 split to be a win? The fuck voting system is this?
Yeah they are unbelievably cringe. That’s why it’s not so bad he’s going to be gone for 2 years. Maybe he can have a better life and move on from that toxic environment
@@waccness449 I don't speedrun, but seeing shit like this definitely puts me off joining the community. I don't want to spend hundreds of hours trying to beat a record only to be faced with that sort of drama from people with massively-inflated self importance. This is both extremely cringe and gatekeepey, considering the runner in this case provided every bit of proof asked of him, even going so far as to manage the run twice to meet their demands.
There is absolutely no reason that they couldn't have just put the time under his original name and left it at that. But they didn't, because he dared to poke fun at the holy sanctity of the goldeneye speedrunning community, which as we know is extremely serious and absolutely not a laughing matter. Having fun is for casuals.
@@midastheunwise2423 what's the "fun" in throwing a wrench into the process? It's amazing how a person can maliciously waste others' time and go "tee hee it's only fuuuuuuun :3" and people will mock the "sanctity" of the process. Things don't need to be holy for people to get tired of your BS.
99% of the time mods take things too seriously and are on an obvious powertrip but this is the case that makes me sympathize with them. People will try to undermine your efforts and then a crowd will heckle from the sidelines as if you're the villain for detecting that someone is trying to fool you. Jesus Christ.
If the run happened and met proof standards then it should be on the leaderboards regardless of weird shenanigans and the fact that it isn't harms my personal view of this game's speedrun community
Ten people are officially tied for 22 on the leaderboards, and there at least two recorded runs of 21! It's honestly difficult to take the rankings seriously at all.
Deception cannot be allowed. Period.
@@HarryBalzaksounds like Nothing deceptive's going on with the game at all which is all that matters
@@DT_Worlds_Strongest_Goth What?
It should be listed but with added symbol of a clownface🤡 or something
That punishment sounds like they were annoyed they were duped...
They weren't duped at all? Nobody believed it, hence the escalating proof requests
he deleted the full-session recording for space reasons... if you believe that, I have a moon base to sell you.
Yeah, neckbeard mods are completely butthurt ROFL. 2 years is revenge for making them look stupid
A 2 year ban for something that essentially in the grand scheme of things is nothing, if they just rejected his submission I would've raised and eyebrow but ultimately said nothing, but for 2 years because "Speedrunner didn't tell me his identity, so ban him" is a bit much.
Breaking the trust of a community already on high alert for cheaters is absolutely ban worthy. I would make it 1 year though.
@@olivercharles2930 and the Goldeneye community wonders why their moderation chases so many people away from the game.
@@olivercharles2930 next they'll probably require Government ID just to post kek
It's not that they didn't reveal their identity, it's because they were trying to maintain two separate community identities. It is isn't allowed to populate the leaderboards with multiple identities, and it also creates unnecessary extra work for the mods.
@@olivercharles2930 I agree that trust is important within speedrunning communities, but when a run has met multiple standards of proof several times over, and the only "problem" in the long run was that they didn't know the exact identity of the person uploading, it's kind of ridiculous to punish them so harshly over that and reject the record entirely. Especially when they only proved it was the same person by going so far as to track the IP address based off of something as mundane as "this tv looks familiar".
At what point do we realize that ultimately it is just a hobby, and that imposing such paranoia and restrictions likely drives away more people than anything else? If the content itself is proven likely legitimate through multiple sources, then let it stay regardless of who's posting it, unless they've been proven to cheat prior. If anything, the fact that this was done by a legitimate player in the community, just on an alt account, should make it more accepted unless there's reason to believe the run itself was faked.
Worse case scenario, you can always just remove the run later when it's proven as fake, or you can include some sort of note on the boards to show that while the run is believed to be legitimate, it should be continuously examined closely until others have matched it.
Joseph Saelee got a score record in NES Tetris while playing on an alt and pretending to be someone called Tyler Pietzch for the lulz, and kept up the Tyler persona before revealing that he was behind it all, and even he didn't get punished nearly as severely as this. I really think that a 2 year ban is far too disproportionate for this, especially since Philip was already an established player otherwise. Yes, he wasted the mods' time and had them on a wild goose chase for a few months, but it really feels, to me, that the mods are taking their duty far too seriously for what is a game where you just run and shoot people with a gun. Imagine if a more elite player like, I don't know, Karl Jobst himself did this sort of thing.
EDIT: Also, them completely disregarding the poll results and interpreting it as a 4-2 despite actually being 2-2-2 is completely arbitrary and I think that speaks more of the mod team than it does about Philip himself. They don't even explain their reasons for interpreting it that way. Simply put, they look like a complete joke.
Wrong.
@@olivercharles2930 Great counterargument, lmao. I need to try that.
Unironically calling themselves "the council" instead of the mod team or whatever doesn't help their case.
@@olivercharles2930I wish I had your confidence to just completely disregard a compelling argument with valid points. To live a life in complete black and white
Isn't wasting people's time for months for laughs a behaviour that should be discouraged?
I don't know if the ban was too long, but I can understand the annoyance of the mods.
The leaderboards aren't a collection of who is trustworthy or a good person. They are what legitimate runs are the fastest. If Philip/Rebecca did a real legitimate 0:21 it belongs on the leaderboard period.
The problem is, we do not know if its a legitimate run.
This might be legit run. The problem is this entire situation is very suspicious, almost to comical levels.
How many countless hours do you think people have spent trying to get 21s, just to have him beat it to post it as a smurf, then beat it again a few days later? What are the statistical odds of that happening (to be fair, he estimates to took him another 60 hours)? The next big red flag was when he said he deleted the raw footage because the file size was too large, yet we later found he had been in the community for well over a decade, so he should have known the importance of keeping those recordings (he could have even uploaded them to a private youtube channel if he really needed the HDD space).
@@chriss8825 He/She provided more than adequate proof of the run and complied to all of the moderators request and got frozen for 2 years anyways, meanwhile Henning cheated nearly everything he did and it took him a billion years to get banned for good and is still revered as being "talented". Its bs and biased from mods trying to prove some kind of point, as far as we know the run is legit but because it was posted by a silly smurf account its invalid and they got frozen for 2 years right off the bat
I think people agree about that. But there's a lot of question to the legitimacy. One of the major reasons that you'd submit a run under a secondary account is to avoid suffering blowback if it's found out to be cheated.
The ban was more justifiable for "playing dumb" with the mods regarding proof standards than it was for anything regarding identity. Knowing who was behind the account proved it was someone who had the capability to provide good proof, but didn't and then lied about the reasons for it.
@@georgewashington6171 Wow nice whataboutism
He achieved the new record legitimately, but the score was rejected and he was banned for two years because he made up a fake name for a new account? Haven't other people used new accounts with false names to post speedruns before without issues? That seems completely unreasonable.
a seasoned live streamer "didn't know about session recording" seems like he defiantly cheated
Try watching the video
But like why would he do this. It's just weird. It causes the community to get mistrust. I stand behind the being banned. Don't be weird.
Are you dense?
DON’T MESS WITH THE COUNCIL ⚖️
I feel like the only thing that should matter is if the time was 21 seconds or not.
Yea doesn't matter if they cheated or not, if he got 21 seconds he got 21 seconds.
@@co7769 Cool straw man, I'm taking it. You'll have to make another.
@@CrucibleOfHate I'm just curious why most people are so willing to BELIEVE him after he lied multiple times about things he didn't need to. I'm not saying once a liar always a liar but I'm saying that once you lie, trust is lost.
When other players have been caught cheating on a run they sometime say "OK I cheated on this run, but my other runs are TOTALLY legit". You wouldn't believe that guy would you? So why would you believe someone that went so out of their way to lie repeatedly? The dude got a VPN, pretended to be a woman and painted his nails to further sell his lies all in order to do God knows what.
Problem was he didn't provide proof.
@@co7769 Uh. I don't actually care that much.
BUT. Ad Hominem. Slippery slope. False equivocation. XD
Nah but pretending to be a girl on the internet is nothing new, the legitimacy of the run is the only thing that matters.
On the other hand I will give a thumbs up to that comment, which was much better than the last one.
2 years for that???? i think its hilarious.. mans even put on nail polish and his sisters socks lol. re-instate this record!!!!
Zestiest world record holder be like 🗣
It kind of is a matter of perspective. This is like weeks/months of work for volunteers to sift through to establish whether the run was legit.
@@janah6473yeah but some leniency is required, this mod wouldn't have banned him if he was a lady
b-but! my precious gender norms!11
@@janah6473 they could also just not be weird the second a woman appears, and not insist on knowing everything about her tracking her IP and demanding face reveals, i mean thats always an option
Karl fighting for the truth even if it means losing a record he is proud of is the epitome of integrity. Thanks Karl you *are* the legend.
The mods of Golden Eye must also be Umpires for the MLB.
...and they count the votes in US presidential elections.
A rare comedy crossover of baseball and speedrunning 🔥 big fan of this
More than likely they are the TOs of Super Smash Bros Melee and friends of Leffen.
Or like any referee for any sport. Paid off by the mafia or something.
Is it normal for speedrunner mods to demand face reveals, try to determine ID from IP addresses, and practically dox someone? Is submitting a speedrun under a new name and wanting anonymity the same thing as cheating or something? This is a ridiculous ruling.
Unfortunately, it seems to become more and more common.
I have even seen people argue that if you don't live stream and upload everything to TH-cam AND have an audience in both places, in an attempt at turning it into career. The run should be banned because it is suspect. Of course, this was said by some speedrunners with a large audience already. In an attack against a new player.
@@SgtAStrawberry Were those speedrunners you mentioned Trackmania players perchance? Considering the awful treatment the player Bob92 recevied for the "horrible crimes" of simply wanting to keep his privacy and having no interest in actively participating in the TM community, this is something I could imagine guys like Wirtual would say.
@@Arioch86 Exactly what I meant and exactly who did say that.
Mods thought that a girl was speedrunning so they demanded a face reveal. After that they probably would have told her to take her socks off too if she wanted on the leaderboard
@@Arioch86 bob92? Surely you mean riolu smh my head
Banned for 2 years? What?
For being weird and suspicious, he could've told credible people to vouch for him. But no go the most suspicious and mistrust invoking path for a lil trollin'
If you lie about your identity and go to great lengths to continue your lie, you're lucky if you don't get banned for life. If you want a record, how hard is it to just submit the shit honestly?
Set a precedent. Speed rank moderators shouldn't have to muck around regularly midnighting as noir detectives all because a player "wants to play a prank as a new submitter". If it's a slap on the wrist, then they *will* have to do that because other people will be encouraged that there's 'no penalty' for doing so.
@@ivolol But why does it matter "who it is"? If the run is legit, and the person maybe just doesn't want their face plastered across the internet, is that not ok?
I get it, it was a bit trolly here, but I mean in general terms: Is it not allowed to participate while remaining private, as in not showing your face or revealing your identity?
@@blakfloyd as long as the proof is sufficient, who cares who gets the record. this is ridiculous and the record should absolutely stand.
This feels petty and unprofessional from the mods, no trust was broken because there was no foul play involved and it was at worst a waste of time for mod team. If anybody asks me, I'm going to say the WR is 0:21 by Rebecca Smiths going forward.
@@Ark_Strike the trolling is foul play with it bringing two major problems with it also your acting like that waste of time was not awful to go through
@@gameuniverse5973 are you one of the mods? is that why you're spamming every comment you don't like? 😂
No one's gonna ask you bro
@gameuniverse5973 waste of time? Lol I would love for something this quirky to happen in monotonous moderation work
if anything hes wasting peoples time. I do think 2 years is too harsh. I think a few months would suffice unless actual cheating was detected in the run. I dont care whether his runs are counted or not. He fucked around so thats on him if they dont count
Could we please have a Mortal Kombat 'Toastyyy' SFX when Billy's face pops in the corner of the screen, please?
I somehow pranked myself into thinking RWhiteGoose was named "RSWhiteGoose", guessed early that it was a established runner lying about their identity, but thought it was Goose circumventing a ban the entire time.
So if he put a bag over his head, called himself FartMaster420, and shown the 21 on camera it would be on the board? This seems more petty from the mod team. Just abscond him for the deception about his name and honor the 21
If they had done the 21 on camera, or shown the runs leading up to it to prove the 21 wasnt faked then the name wouldn't have mattered. What matters is the lying and being as sketchy as possible wasting everyones time without providing proof even after being found out.
@@TurtleKwitty Yup that's the part people are forgetting, this is not an easy record. To get it twice when you "just so happen" to be missing the proof in the first place... then to violate everyone's trust and waste their time? Why should that record be accepted even if you know it's a player who can play to that standard? No proof was ever provided, first video was ghosting, neither had a session. Action replay could've been on in both and it wouldn't effect the footage.
If it was "just a different name" like people are stating, then said different name should've posted to the appropriate standard. They're a runner who should know this. They had two chances to meet that standard but just so happened to mess them both up? Consider that 2 years is light if the run really is cheated, and we'll never know. Framing it as a prank lets them get off easy, exactly why they made that excuse.
Even if it isnt faked, forcing the volunteers on the mod team to waste their time with an investigation is just a shitty thing to do. I think he deserved whag he got
Keep switching the VPN if that doesn't work use a proxy if that fails use tor
Keep trying cause on the internet it doesn't matter who you are.
Im a 3 Year old, a record is a time and if that time is beatin it doesn't matter who or what you are
@@danielwest6095The mods were not forced to do anything. They were the ones deciding for themselves to continue investigating.
Wow I knew The Elite had some of the most over-the-top moderation, but a 2 year ban when in reality nothing bad happened. This is literally just punishing people for posting jokes.
It's very much (as Karl definitely knows) a close-knit club that's difficult to join and feel like "one of the gang" even if you've been playing your whole life. There's a second community though at least. At the end of the day, it's about playing the game.
Edit: Just to be clear in case my tone is misread. I think Karl is a legend, and I love this video highlighting this run we would otherwise not get to see.
2 Years? Nah cmon thats insane
He can have a better life now
They kept trying to IP locate a woman instead of outright asking for a face reveal.
They got horny as shit and then pissy like little children.
Mods on power trips need to be removed.
“Rebecca Smiths from The Netherlands”
0:12 man hits the griddy
Mods were pissed, what babies
Honestly think the moderation team needs a reevaluation.
The scariest realization this video lead me to was the fact that if I fart and deny it, then I may risk getting banned for 2 years due to deception and circumventing proof standards.
This just comes off as the mods getting salty that the were the butt of a joke, a 2 year ban is fucking crazy for a small prank that didn't harm anybody.
Then again most "moderators" are just power-hungry losers that would react this way, so I'm not surprised in the slightest.
I don't get it. What's the fucking joke
@@LiEnby That a completely unknown person appeared with a legit WR.
And instead of trying to find out if the WR was legit, the mods went on some completely nuts "mission" to find out the person's identity for some reason of their own
@@LiEnby The joke is, "IT WAS ME, DIO!"
@@pookie2986you know what, it fits.
@@MaskedDeath_ But that didnt happen. They asked for a session, werent provided one, then asked for live-play and noticed the oddity of this player probably being someone else. They didnt START with the assumption.
I love that you care more about the world record than about it being *your* record. It shows a level of deep respect and affection for both the game and the speedrunning community that is really lovely.
For a hot second I was hoping it was a grandma in her early 70s that was playing Goldeneye before anyone here was born
That would've been great. But when I saw the video, my dreams were crushed. That was definitely a man's hands and legs. I will admit the nail polish was a nice touch 😂
Me: damn it’s nearly 5am, I should sleep
Karl: *hello you absolute legends*
🙂↕️🙂↕️
639AM HERE LOL
Middle of the day for us Aussies, now you know how we feel.
How dare you. It's 6am.
Wait a second,... something along the same lines occurred in Tetris with a Pro Player,... but it was accepted there ? This just seems like a good ol boys club kinda thing, and a 2 year ban is harsh, and comes off as just a way to let someone else claim the time first now, especially after seeing gameplay and strats used. Kinda sus
yeah, really sounds like in doing this he showed that the community treats insiders differently than new players, seems kinda unreasonable not only for the ban but when they thought they didn't know him to suddenly ask for more proof than they request of their own. If they need that proof to be sure why is it not required for EVERY submission???
Boys club? You know “Rebecca” was a man too right?
@@1Raptor85 You're thinking too deep. The mods were crowing about "the Discord gamer chick" in the relevant Discords. Even comments about how "she" has nice legs, and about what "her" fingers could do. They were just mad they played themselves.
@@marct8160 ?? nobody cheated in either case though, both just used alternate names, in this case in particular the proof posted is BEYOND what was required of every other person currently on the leaderboard and it all checked out, only the name was changed. That's kinda the point, he wasn't banned for cheating, he was banned for making the discord mods look foolish, and the whole thing kinda makes you question their entire leaderboards legitimacy.
@@marct8160 Brother, we could tell you were dumb as Hell without you adding the random gay bashing.
That seems like the most insane overreaction to what seemed like a fairly harmless joke. Top players should do stuff like this once in a while to keep the mods on their toes and see if they reject legit runs for bad reasons
I love the rehashes of Goose videos in Karl format. They tackle the topics in a similar but fresh way.
I think less of the GoldenEye mods now because of this.
This just seem like the moderators got butthurt and lashed out two years for a harmless prank and they had all the proof necessary and did everything that was asked a what a joke
Banning him for 2 years is way too harsh, seems like the mods are just power tripping cause he fooled them for a bit.
@@edge4552 some places would ban you for life I would have given him five
@@gameuniverse5973 "i would have given him five" 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃
Why lie about stuff he didn't need to lie about? Think about it in any other context and you also wouldn't believe the person.
@@co7769 Because the subject matter topic of discussion is legit and all these cringe f word n word degenerate neckbeard admins couldnt hit a 21, 22, or 23 in their life
That wasn't "fooled them a bit", he wasted multiple peoples time for months for no reason. If he can't respect the time the moderators put on for the good of the community, then no respect should be put on his record either.
Anyone else notice how nice of a job Phil did on his nails?
he is prob trans or some shit low key this is kinda fucked up lol
I know it's difficult to believe but some speedrunners do have a girlfriend
so that is easier to belive than him having the skill himself?
@toby1248 I choose to believe that as a good runner, he speedran how to do one's nails.
@@toby1248 I dont think girls exist
"We'll doxx you so you can post on our leaderboard. Oh nevermind, get banned!" -Goldeneye mods, certainly.
Speedrunning is not anonymous
Barbara Blackburn did this in 10 seconds using an obscure control scheme utilizing the Dvorak keyboard
Well played
A 2 year ban for that is kind of ridiculous
Getting a VPN, pretending to be a woman, painting your nails to further sell the lie isn't ridiculous somehow? Really?
@@co7769 No, it's funny.
@@co7769
If you think this is ban worthy go outside LMAO
@@dapper-alcremie460 I don't think it's ban worthy. But I do think it puts into question everything he says now.
Its a totally normal thing to not immediately believe someone after you catch them lying not once, but multiple times.
What did the other cheaters say when caught? Oh yea "hey I cheated this run, but the rest are TOTALLY LEGIT". No one believes them and they double check. Why believe him? Why treat him any different? He's given every reason TO NOT be trusted.
@@attractivegd9531 What's not funny is that when first called out, he chose to perpetuate the lie by making excuses and pretending to be another person instead of immediately confessing. He wasn't posting some crap times either, those were world record times and is something the community don't mess around with.
Title should be "What happens when old fuddy duddies run the show" :D
>hmm, today i shall do a little trolling in a community of my friends
>BANNED
@@MartyMacFryfound the middle schooler.
Nobody gives up a prank or a joke at the first call out. You must be seriously boring to know in real life.
@@MartyMacFry I also don't understand the joke, I assume it's "a girl gets a world record" which is kinda cringe and not funny.
@@MartyMacFry What in the world are you babbling about? There's zero evidence of cheating here. There's only suspicious circumstances (less so when they figured out who it was) plus a little trolling, which doesn't tell us anything about the legitimacy of the runs themselves. If they found *_actual cheating_* it wouldn't be just a 2 year ban.
@@MartyMacFry You guys are thinking way too hard about it. The dude just thought it would be funny to have a random nobody have a single world record, and wanted to get 21 to make it even more stupid, which obviously took a while. He literally detailed the entire thing in the post at 10:35.
Whether either of you find that funny is irrelevant, he thought it was a stupid idea and rolled with it. It's really not hard to see why he thought it would be funny.
Back to your bread and butter!
Bro just wanted to star in a Karl Jobst video.
Bro put on nail polish for the troll.
"I was only messing about, I'm definitely not experimenting with more feminine ways of presenting myself, it's just a prank bro"
What a bizarre story. I don't get the motivation, I really don't.
He put on nail polish, at least he was dedicated to the bit. Two years seems a bit drastic for a harmless troll, though.
Everyone mad needs to consider that Karl mentioned many times how ridiculously easy it is to fake this run. That doesn’t just mean it’s easy to get 0:21. It means it is easy to fool people, and they will never know. It’s all about trusting the person submitting the time for this instance, and all the proof in the world wouldn’t make it easier to tell if you were cheating using the GameShark method. That’s why the 2-year ban. It basically ensures he will never own the record, which is the punishment for losing your trust in the community.
It’s the fact that they lost trust over a joke is what people are so worked up about. It shows the mods take themselves too seriously.
@@TronicX yeah, that’s what I’ve seen as well since making my original comment. I still think it’s sus that he didn’t keep the full stream footage of a world record completion, but I cannot deny the mods seem like petty assholes, regardless
Remember to always butter your controllers so it could function better that's the best speedrun strat
I personally use Cheeto dust, but Horseradish sauce works too.
I find putting my controllers in the dishwasher to be the best solution actually, followed by 5 mins in the oven preheated to 350
well you can use olive oil as an alternative
Not butter. Needs to be margarine
@@greenfox7657 oh you one of those people
You dont hate Internet janitors enough. You think you do, but you don't.
Video starts 3:29
2 years ban just for sockpuppeting (is that even against the rules?) is insane and the mod team's behavior feels unreasonable from the start. There can be a ton of legitimate reasons for not wanting to participate in the community, use real legal name, or do a face reveal. Like social anxiety, autism, insecurity about their face, actually being a (closeted) trans person, wanting a separation from their offline persona (not everyone in the leaderboards even show full name in the "real name" column and some of those must be aliases), etc. If mods don't want players doing first time record attempts or offline runs they should make it explicit in the rules instead of assuming that anyone who speedruns differently is a suspect.
Yeah, i know i never will run golden eye. Maybe i get good time and i have to sent them Know your customer proof
I was definitely wondering what this means for trans players.
@@roeboatwade It means nothing for trans players. Philip isnt trans (as far as we know). He crossdressed "for the fun of it". If Philip legit was trans and told the Mod team about it, this wouldnt have happened. Anyone can transition seriously at any point in time, but this was not that.
Honestly I feel like this should've just ended at the mods rejecting the run on the basis that the "new person" couldn't provide a proof of their play session. I think that would've been the least controversial thing to do, since other popular communities already do require everyone submitting anything close to a world record to provide proof by session recording or streaming - by the sounds of things this isn't a requirement for established players, which if true already sounds incredibly biased.
Having said all that, tracking someone's IP to effectively spy on them is taking things too far - and banning Philip from the leader-boards for two years for what basically amounts to using a pseudonym on a record is a ridiculous punishment that far outweighs the crime. The natural consequence of the run being denied was punishment enough - if he truly is capable of it, then it's a damn shame to not let him submit another 0:21 under his actual name with better proof.
Wait so this is a legitimate or at least plausible record, but he posted it on a fake account and that means his effort doesn't count?
Exactly
He made the mods stalk him down, so apparently its his fault.
Lets say even if he DID fake it all? That type of stalking is fucking nuts
Yep. Maybe he shouldn't lie if he wants the record. Massive whomp whomp
@@MithrilRoshi Fuck you mean stalk him? They didn't look for his address or something. They just noticed something odd and followed the trail.
@@olivercharles2930 You sound like you peaked in middle school and moderate a discord, subreddit, and world record forums (all for free btw)
this is in pretty stark contrast to the example of joseph saelee, who used the fake identity of tyler pietzsch to debut his tetris world record.
instead of being banned in any way when the truth came out, he was already the ctwc world champion and it was brushed off.
goes to show that there are very different attitudes towards this kind of thing in different gaming communities.
thought of him too. incredibly disappointed in the goldeneye mods.
Problem is in this case the runner didn't prove he hadn't used a widely known Gameshark code to alter the AI of the enemies. It would've taken literally just going right back into the level after beating it and showing this off to prove he wasn't cheating.
I love it when people make one-sided remarks about nuanced scenarios
RIP to Brett Jones, who is the model for the NPC in the thumbnail, and who desiged a lot of the models and textures in this game.
If they raised the proof standards just for this person and then banned them for twobyears because they couldn't meet them, that's really unfair.
Considering some the mods were being creepy and sexually in speed running discords about it being a woman is definitely a key factor here. Also proves yet again they're ego tripping and being creeps yet again given 2 of the mods have been caught pulling a dr disrespect yet still are allowed to be mods.
"I deleted the capture file of the session where I achieved the world record."
Lol, lmao even. That guy is major sus.
Come home from an awesome day at the park with my son to find a new Karl Jobst video? What a life!
Awesome as always, thanks!
"You made us feel dumb so we are banning you."
Typical moderators.
Yo Ho fiddly dee
Don't trust the jannies
They do it for free
The moderators probably jorked it to the submission video because there was a girl plus gameplay in frame but decided it was an illegitimate emission because it was actually a guy so 2 years ban seems fair
Perhaps the mods should be held to their own rules and have to provide live face reveals and their full real name? How else can we trust that these exalted members of the community are who they say they are?
The leader boards mean nothing if the best runs dont count without actual proof they are cheated. We think you acted less than honest isnt him cheating, that's some bullshit.
I've got balsamic vinegar, Italian, French or honey mustard. Which one would you like?
I could argue the opposite, the leaderboards mean nothing if you aren't certain the top runs aren't cheated. Seeing someone lie/avoid proving their runs when
a) the runner should know better to "not delete runs"
b) the runner only fessed AFTER interrogation/investigation
c) we've seen other skilled players cheat
Keeping that score keeps the question "is the top score legit?" Legit.
I ain't saying mods ain't power hungry, but I think they made the right decision (tho 2 years is a bit wild)
@@emperorarima3225 "Prove you aren't guilty" is a terrible standard.
@lich109 Literally the plot of the Ace Attorney games and how Japan goes about convicting a lot of criminals. If this person knew anything about either they should know having to prove being not guilty is a terrible metric.
@@lich109 agreed. Unless you look untrustworthy, then it's the only acceptable standard.
And prove you aren't guilty isn't a new thing, we have seen time and time again, people trust people because "they seem legit, and hey they're a good player", only to provide Karl content years later lol
"Proof standards are very high"
Minimum upload quality: 360p
It's ludicrous that people are still discovering new things about a 27 year old game.
It’s truly astonishing how they tried to replicate Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, but they just couldn’t do it. The OG Rare teams were untouchable
Nostalgia is one hell of a drug and Rare games ooze so much with them that no other game can compete with them no matter how good they are.
They're good games, sure. But literally requiring two controllers to come close to the same level of control in movement and aiming that is just expected in modern gaming is a flaw, not a feature. Goldeneye and PD were good games for their time, but by no means would they be even remotely successful in the modern times. And that's a feature, not a bug. The gameplay of both those games is wildly outdated, slow, inaccurate, and there's not a single person under the age of 28 that would disagree with that unless they had their head so far up their own ass that they were literally trying to be an ouroboros.
a lot of the original rare team went on to make the timesplitters franchise. which feel a lot more similar to PD and goldeneye than the PD and goldeneye sequel/remake
@@A_Balanced_BreakfastIsn't the only reason for the two controller thing that you can shoot things in the cutscene? He literally said that it is harder to play that way.
Some of the best employees at rare, like Grant Kirkhope himself, we’re at a game convention recently and they played live music. The entire group was fantastic, they’re crazy in the best way possible.
I am not a speed runner nor do I participate in the speed running community but I never miss one of your videos. I find the history of speed running interesting along with the methods people find. You break it down in such a way that makes a normie like me able to understand. Keep up the great work.
I'm so glad I'm not in Goldeneye speedrunning. The mods verdict being "we invented a new proof standard for him and he failed to provide it so now he's banned for 2 years". I would just quit the community on principle.
This made my respect for the GE SR community dip into the negatives. What a worthless group of people, they need to permanently exile those moderators if they ever want to salvage their reputation.
Absolute hall monitor behaviour. Some people get the tiniest amount of power and it immediately goes to their head.
I mean the community keeps using IGT instead of RTA because of tradition. Which means most runs involve a lot of floor watching. They make the dumbest decisions
@@ittapupu7406lying/deception? What about the ip address that was used to identify the individual? Please don't talk about the moderators as hallmarks for moral behavior. Plus, why tf should it matter in the first place? What matters is if he got the 21s time under THEIR proof standards. Anything else is extra bs drama
So, top player doesn't know he has to keep the full run with the WR for verification purposes? Nah, not buying it
bro got banned for 2 years just for messing about a little bit and wearing some nail polish? wow awesome moderators
The moderators probably jorked it to the submission video because there was a girl plus gameplay in frame but decided it was an illegitimate emission because it was actually a guy so 2 years ban seems fair
@@sicksock435446 I see you copy pasting this comment everywhere, 2 year ban is not fair cos the creepy mods wanted those nice legs to belong to a girl lmao
you might be right but I don't have the refined sense of fairness that comes from years of watching goldeneye 64 speedruns and ejaculating to mens feet so I cant say for sure
@@Angels-Haven they were agreeing with u
@@lightswitch2622 might want to read what was said again, unless my sarcasm wasn't obvious
GoldenEye is like a stale fart compared to Perfect Dark.
I fail to see the issue of someone using an alias for fun
I can understanding rejecting the runs but I wouldn't ban the guy.
He tried to get away with a joke and it's not like it was offensive or anything.
Just have him get the run again with the full recording on his main account.
I would ban him. Lies aren't cool.
@@olivercharles2930 I think context matters.
There are benignant and malignant lies.
Telling your child Santa Claus brings them presents on Christmas shouldn't be prosecuted and have you banned from talking to any child ever.
It's not like he was actually cheating and saying it was a legit run. He made an entire fake account just for a laugh. Regardless of wether or not he did cheat for the fake account it shouldn't stop him from posting a legit run on his own account
What if Bezgourov is trans but too afraid of socially transitioning in the community?
@@CjqNslXUcM given how they treated who from their perspective was a random woman brand new to their community, they would be right to be afraid in that community.
Like wow. Sure a first-appearance world record is sus. But from their perspective this was a woman playing with a less than amazing setup, and they response is to track their IP, ask for live footage and face reveals because they don't believe they can play a game well.
I can only imagine how much worse the interactions would be for a woman who is in that server for longer, wether they are a real woman or only perceived as one
@@velvetbutterfly trans women are real women
"it's a prank bro! it's a prank!"
don't lie, kids.
>No we don't accept that you're better than us because uh... speedrunning uhhh... well speedrunning needs you to facedox yourself and you can't use an alias and uhh that makes your time invalid
Pedo mods were probably just sad it wasn't an actual girl and she wasn't underage this time.
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Call me crazy, but you really shouldn't have to reveal your fucking identity to people on a goddamn discord. Who the fuck would ever do this? Like that's insanity. It's hilarious how this person did not cheat, did the run legitimately, but since they went under a different name, they got screwed. What a load of shit.
This was amazing. I love Golden Eye 007 on the Nintendo 64 and seeing the world records being beaten the right way is always fun and interesting. Congratulations on having a world record on Golden Eye 007 hopefully one day you beat your on record. Cool video. ^_^
Have you all gone mad? This person got an untied world record on a level that's infamously easy to cheat twice in a short time span with bad video proof on the first time and no session proof on either, while only submitting it while pretending to be a completely different person. Why are you all acting like the run is clearly legitimate and the only problem is identity thing? Because it seems to me like that run absolutely should not be accepted regardless.
Also, why are you all acting like outright lying about who you actually are to the point that you don't understand proof standards is all perfectly fine? It's still a lie, and it only makes the run look worse.
Exactly!
That is true outside of a leaderboard, but for the purposes of the leaderboard it is important.
I think it’s reasonable to not allow aliases on the leaderboard. Maybe you disagree, but I can think of only downsides to allowing it.
@@calebland6246 i think that speedrunning should not be 'hey come dox yourself!' and anyone who thinks so should go fuck themselves and be nowhere near speedrunning moderation, and honestly if tehy have an issue with this there probably gonna end up being transphobic wether intentionally or not.
because we all can see the blatant predatory bullshit being made by the mods while she repeatiddly meets all their requests over and over,
Congratulations to Rebecca Smith for the new world record of 0:21! Mod's decision is insanely stupid in this case. Either they can find some evidence of cheating in the gameplay provided, or they can accept the run. Who cares about using an alias? People may want to compartmentalise their online presence for any number of reasons, not least of which if they were considering transitioning. If that is the case then it seems like the mods here gave them the ultimatum to either be forced out of the closet or just play it off as a joke alias.
What do you expect from a community which:
1- Calls themselves "The Elite" and have the moderation team call themselves "the council".
2- Uses IGT as a standard instead of a RTA just because of tradition
3- IGT makes runs boring as shit to watch and I imagine play (so much time looking at the floor)
4- IGT makes it extremely easy to cheat since you can just splice the final timer in a good enough run
In previous videos on this channel we've seen that it's high level players who have a bigger incentive to cheat runs
Trust in a high level player that a run posted is legit literally shouldn't mean anything, it should be fully on a case by case basis
If this run found legit, it should be posted in the rankings, regardless of loss of trust in Philip by the mod team
If someone's legit run gets denied because of circumstances unrelated to the direct contents of the run, it calls into question the credibility of the whole leaderboard
Edit:typo