Zeb Wells Finally REPLACES Mary Jane Watson?! - The Amazing Spider-Man #55 Review
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PREVIOUSLY;
The sins of the GREEN GOBLIN have been destroyed once and for all. Now Peter Parker can take a well-deserved break to focus on his personal life. That includes taking new potential flame SHAY MARKEN on a proper, uninterrupted date. While there have been some sparks between Peter and the Ravencroft nurse, his attempts to get closer have been ruined by Spider-Man business.
Third time's the charm, right, Petey?
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She's gonna die, break up with him, cheat on him, die, turn out to be a clone, die or get sent to an alternate universe. Where she may die.
Or all of the all of the above lmao
ORRRR GET STOLEN by I SİMPLE WİMPY MAN
Or all of these gonna happen 💀
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Not wrong on this, i think the man issue is always the writers for Spider-Man none of them can barely write a romance at all.
I think Rhino is definitely one of Peter’s more understandable villains. Deadpool once planned a birthday party for Spidey while inviting all his villains who came to fight, except for Rhino who brought a cake wanting to enjoy the party instead.
I remember that. He bought him a sweater if I'm right.
Wow didn't expect that from rhino
I love rhino, it’s just sad how zeb once again assassinates a character
We’ll be fair it’s not as bad as everyone else in the series and to be honest it’s better than modern adaptation he ever had
@@mnstashhave you seen what Sony has done to him for Kraven? X0X
Props to the artist, Shay is an absolute baddie.
Zeb the only props you'll get is once you leave this GARBAGE book.
Oh yeah the artist was great, pretty much the only positive when it came to this issue
@@mnstashshay is sooo hot but I want Pete n mj but damn seeing her....
..idk mam still fk zeb
It's clear that Zeb Wells HATE Spider-Man as a character. He doesn't care about a hero who resembles responsiblilty.
Can someone please give this man a good writer for gods sake?
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GEGE AKUTAMI might do it
@@jamesvanitas nah bro he would give him the itadori treatment lol
And the good news is that zeb wells is leaving the spider man comics after 2 or 3 issues and it is confirmed true
@@AkashSingh-sn4sf And he will let this mess unfinished, right? lol
Fun Fact: Eddie Brock, Harry Osborn, Reed Richards, Luke Cage and even Jessica Drew all have children while Peter doesn't, he's literally that one High School friend you meet 10 years later after a High School Reunion and they're still in the same place they were before.
who knew when they said its to make him relatable, they meant only for those in spidery office
Only thing to finish the cake is when flash has a child😭
@@benedict6880He actually does have children already😂
Just like me fr
Ultimate Spider-Man: I guess i don’t exist to you.
and this is why Ultimate Spider-Man is trouncing ASM. I've said it before, Ultimate Spider-Man is what ASM should have been.
Couldn’t agree more!
@@mnstash Can't wait to hear your thought on Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) issue 8
I just want the REAL Peter and MJ back, but Marvel hates us Married Peter and character development Peter and MJ had over the decades.
Its criminal.
Read USM, way better than ASM.
And they tease us with new series set back when they were together like black suit and blood!
They didn't even let them have a kid they just made their child a stillborn one in the Clone Saga.
@@mnstash
I know right? Bullies!
@@HalfBoiIed
Don't worry I am.
this book sucks and frankly i am so tired of marvel treating are favorite character Peter parker Spider-Man like garbage and frankly like paul this other character is also garbage and treats peter like crap, and marvel wants us to believe this chick is Peter new romance partner. What a load of crap that frankly at this i am so tired of this nonsense that i would rather have this book be cancelled and dead and never ever comeback period at least in my opinion.
They will remove her soon
@@afkmh2392 we shall see but i seen marvel pull this stunt before and it never ends well.
They really want us to believe in this relationship when one of the premises of the Spider-Office at Marvel and one of the reasons OMD happened is because they thought having Peter married made him older and less relatable for people, so they backtrack 20 years of Spider-Man comic history for BND and all the crap after. Now think about it, if the Spider-Office and editors hate Peter Parker being married, do you really think they are going to allow any relationship with him to actually progress? No, they won't, so this is just sand in the eyes of fans. Fuck them.
It’s a disgrace man, I miss the 80s :(
@@mnstash I miss the 80's and 90's. Even Clone Saga was better than this pile of shit
No shoes? On a date in NYC? And the woman isn't homeless? There are limits to reality bending.
1. How Peter is being told these things by his date feels like something Aunt May should've said to him when he was like, what? 19? You'd expect this Peter to figure that out eons ago.
2. Screwball wrecking havoc in the City with Rhino, is like seeing seeing IcePoseidon sitting in the car with Darrel Brooks.
I know Screwball can be a Nuisance, but she's literally just an IRL Streamer. She's on the Border between of Annoying and Illegal. Rhino is a Convicted Felon.
3. Also, why would Rhino and Screwball care about a Rando's Date? If you're going to commit Mass Havoc, why would you care if you're wrecking someone's date? You're wrecking everyone else's day and life!
4. This date could've happened with Mary Jane back when Zeb Wells started. It'll be better and make more sense, since she has History with him. A Rando Scientist wouldn't give him the time of Day, a he's lucky he got a Second chance, let alone wants to kiss him after what he did!! But A THIRD? CHANCE!?! She needs a Therapist, not a Boyfriend!
Im glad you can see the faults within this story too, there were a few defending it for either shay being ‘hot’ or because Peter got a win in this even tho it was so poorly written he didn’t even deserve a ‘win’
Does it really matter it's not canon to me. It's probably going to be retconned later. And Mary, Gwen and Black Cat go back to being the only love interest.
@@mnstash
I feel like people who defend it are reading it for its own thing, and haven't really experience much in their lives, which can cause them to think it all makes sense, and therefore "good". This may make them defend the story
It's like how some people think a Professional Fighter can take on Multiple People, because they're "strong and knows how to fight".
That's my thoughts on people doing that
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Well, as you said, it's not Canon to you. we're also talking about Spider-Man Writers. Even some of their worst retcons took years to come around, like Sins Past, it took 20 years for a Retcon.
The Story is currently canon, and still within Spider-Man's story until further notice. Anyone who brings up this story will be valid, just as anyone who brings up Norman being a 🍇ist for Sin's Past is valid (until it wasn't cause Nick Spencer retconned it)
@@HumanB312 Gwen's fucking dead bro been dead for almost 60 years
I honestly like Shay and want to see where their relationship goes. Maybe in earth 616, this will finally be Peter's chance to be happy.
I’d like to see him happy but I doubt she’ll last. They’ll probably just make her Carlie cooper 2.0
Nah... hahaha
Agreed.
Another love interest. They ditched Carlie Cooper and this one will get ditched too.
Yeah, it was dumb for Peter to not stop two villains that were clearly causing havoc and they just go, yeah sure. Zeb thinking: Genius.
Ugh. goodbye Peter Parker.
It’s funny how each realise genuinely makes things worse
1:53 peter having his own personal nurse is a good idea objectively I guess and a nurse can teach peter how to balance responsibilities to the public and his personal life
I honestly wonder why Peter bothers having a relationship. He puts Spider-Man first and none of the relationships he has work out.
I feel like we been here before in regards with the relationship responsibilities that Pete suck at. You think Pete would learn but nope, like everything in modern main series spider-man it’s has to regress Peter in order to be like this
It’s crazy just how much they’ve ruined his character since one more day, it’s like it’s their goal to make him an unlikable loser
@@mnstash no they want him to be “Relatable” to fans. Now if that isn’t a F U to fans I don’t know what is
I just want Peter happy I don't really care what girl he gets with long as she treats him right.
I agree
It's not happening as long as the powers at be are still in place.
Yeah but they still gotta make a proper story out of it as well! It’s a shame how much they butchered that part of their relationship
Totally agree
Shay seems like a cool character. We will see where this goes.
nah cuz Marvel editorial has the potential to make this girl way better than Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy combined. Let my boy fall in love and be happy 😭🔥
I was honestly annoyed like Peter goes to two villains to stop because he’s on a date are you kidding.it feels like a Saturday morning cartoon.thank goodness zeb wells is leaving soon because we need a better writer.
Don't forget nick lowe😒
She'll be gone by the end of November. Several months give or take like always.
Just like carlie cooper, they should know but now all this is pointless
HOLY SHIT PETER LEARNED HE DIDN'T NEED TO ALWAYS BE SPIDER-MAN?!?!? WHAT?!?!? YOU'RE TELLING ME HE WILLINGLY CHOSE NOT TO DON THE COSTUME?!?!?
Well he does he just found a different way to go about it
9:26 this peter has both lifetimes memories in his head both the spider totem life and the life he had when he was severed from web of life and destiny and only cindy moon was bitten
So now you see. Shay is Peter's Paul.
Only two there are, no more no less
What I like:
-Shay (seems sweet, possible room for growth and development)
-Peter not giving up on himself
-Anna Watson calling out MJ for messing up.
-Dark Spider-Man almost killing Paul.
What i hate:
-Everything else.
Peter needs to be happy. 😢
If only they put in the work man
Wow Zeb wells actually giving a shit that’s character development
I mean he has to give something to rip it away again
It’s more like
“ I see what you did now.
But I still won’t forgive you of what you did before.”
It was kinda a wholesome story. But I have to agree that it's too short, it's not worth more than a dollar.
Peter: Hey, can we like raincheck on this?
Rhino: Understandable. Have a nice day.
Peter: ..... How the fuck did that work?
It's not going to last. Carlie didn't last, Debra Whitman didn't last. Hell, Felicia didn't last.
Yeah, I mentioned the cycle of repetition within the video. ever since BND its just been this annoying merry go round
I actually kinda like that Peter went out and confronted them as Peter. The fact Peter has been doing this his whole life and the reason he doesn’t get wins is because he lets everything happen. Realistically I think it’s about time he tries to prioritize a relationship because his entire life has been trying to hide himself as spider-man and protect everyone while pretty much destroying his social life, at least that’s what seems more human to me. I think it makes sense that people wouldn’t wanna be besties with Peter when he never commits to them. No one wants to hang out with Peter because he ditches all the time, ditches class, ditches loved ones, ditches dates, etc. hate Zeb Wells but this one I kind of like. It makes it more realistic to me imo because people irl usually don’t have a strict moral code like that, they do things that break their general ideology lightly time to time. Plus Screwball isn’t really a villain, just a pesky annoying streamer, Rhino is a misunderstood monster, etc, I think it was a good time if any for this to happen and I count it as a win for Peter because the scenario makes sense to me.
Agreed. Let Peter have a solid date for once. Tell responsibility to pound sand for one night!
I got a better idea. Get rid of Paul and bring MJ and Peter back. The real MJ wouldn’t leave Peter in dirt for some guy she met and is she even the real MJ?
No. She left a horrible taste in people's mouths, and honestly, she should be replaced.
Why bother bringing MJ back together with Peter again? It's her choice for choosing Paul who looks like a frog
@@ibannashL Take of the century
@@vulcanrampage4015 You mean the writer forced this to happen, not the character? Like you can’t fr think that, right?
@@ibannash So a few years of trash removes DECADES worht of stories? I swear comic "fans" are so fickle its insane💀
I'm still wondering how he got into the Restuarant w/o shoes. That's impressive.
impressive and embarrassing at the same time!
Wasn’t he sort of dating another red head with a spider themed persona, but neither knows their real identities. She didn’t care much for Peter but is more interested Spider-Man, unaware they’re the same.
Where’s that from? It doesn’t ring a bell but it is 3am so I could be tired 😅
@@mnstash I think is talking about the Spider-man Unlimited comic series, Peter have a date with a woman that turn to be pretty similar to mj.
It looks like, i'm stil boycottin the asm book for a while longer.
Peter and MJ belong togheter.
That is my few on things.
Peace.
Yeah it’s definitely not worth your money, non of zeb wells series is worth anything
@@mnstash strenght be with you, thanks that you are willing to suffer through this.
I was not able too.
Think i switched to Usm at issue 3 getting 1 and 2 in backorder was a pain.
But i thought my wife would like me reading that book to her at her grave instead of that asm drivel.
We appreaciate you.
Thanks.
Peter getting interrogated without shoes is absolutely hilarious for no reason
I have a question. why is Peter such a loner. If he is having so much trouble with the whole superhero thing why can't he just call his fellow hero buddies for help, hell Miles lives like 15 minutes away from himand his friends with majority of the super hero community so it wouldn't hurt to ask for some back up if he as something going on like an important job, a job interview, a special date with a woman he really likes, or him just wanting a break. I'm sure they would understand because they all know how difficult his life is. Plus there are so many Spider-Man themed heroes in Marvel Peter can start a spider family. I get marvel doesn't want to copy dc but still bro put some weight of this man's shoulders.
they write this shit....and wonder why comics industry is in a downward trend
I don't even want Peter and MJ back
I just hope Shay lasts more than 5 issues
Trust me now insult me as well but I honestly believe black cat is the best option for Peter ignoring the dumb writing in recent years
If they didn’t have him with MJ I’d always love for him to be with black cat, it’s a real shame they bottled that too
IDK, I kinda liked the idea that Peter let Rhino and screwball go. I get that Peter believes he has a responsibility to prevent another "Uncle Ben incident," but there is such a thing as burnout to.
Honestly, from a reader standpoint, Peter's dates being interrupted, cut short, delayed, etc. to go fight crime has gotten really old.
At least he stopped Rhino and screwball from whatever spree they were doing, and if all it took was a taking to, then that is fine with me.
This is goodbye to Amazing Spider-man . God I hate Zeb Wells era.
Calling it now, there going to kill Peter’s new love interest
Or she will become the villain
More than likely break up with him. I wouldn't pay it any mind as this'll mean nothing in a few issues from now.
Or being interfered by Mary Jane and she will shrug it off like it's nothing or telling the truth.
Hopefully she could take Paul with her😭
13:30 DARN YOU MEPHISTO lol 😅 also peters dream wife is still gwen based on the spidermen book from greg wiseman so no-one can reallylive up to that on 616 in a messed up way
I even made a video about how bad that comic is and all its faults especially with that part 😭
Look, I just want Peter to be happy? Can he just be happy with someone he genuinely loves. Be it MJ or someone else. He's had enough drama in his life. Let him just have a relatively good life. He can still be a hero who gives it his all and have a good life outside of it.
If they wanted to do a different love interest to MJ or Black Cat, then why not Silk, they still haven't solved any of those issues or even seem to want to bother with them at all, even in a platonic way since Dan Slott came out to say why it was bad for making them a thing. Even though they seemingly don't know what to do with her in the comics.
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I'd honestly love to see them actually try again with Silk, it probably wouldn't last long as Marvel always need to go back to the status quo but having at least one satisfying run with them as a couple would be awesome
I'll do you one better: Bring back Debra Whitman.
Silk never worked long term for Peter.
I would have been happy for them to just reuse at least an existing past LI, hell I’d have taken Betty Brant, rather than shoehorn in a new LI who now lies a thing despite zero effort getting them there. At least with a past LI they could maybe have enough connection to Peter to justify them sticking round, even if they don’t know he’s SM. If they were going to do Carlie Cooper Mark 2, just use Carlie Cooper Mark 1; at least they put more effort in building her up.
She’s a spiderverse guardian or some shit rn. We will only see her when morlun comes back for some stupid shit
The last new OC girlfriend he had, Carlie Cooper was basically advertised the same way. Her final fate was being experimented on and mutated into some kinda monster before leaving and cutting all contact with Peter.
As tumultuous as Peter's love life has been those women generally remained his friends. Compared to Bruce Wayne he's been lucky.
Bruce Wayne might have a rough love life at times, but his list of close allies only continues to grow, plus he actually has kids (adopted, biological, or just basically considered one of his “kids”). He makes mistakes and suffers losses, but ultimately I’d say his life has ironically turned out better than Peter’s in the long run.
@@doctordoom85 DC Comics keeps resetting the continuum. The long run is fairly short.
@@B.B.Digital_Forest Not really, New 52 actually kept most of Batman’s prior continuity, and the few allies who were removed soon returned. So Batman hasn’t been really reset since Crisis on Infinite Earths, and ain’t no way we’re calling about four decades “fairly short”.
@@doctordoom85 If that's the case then Peter will continue to have more friends than Bruce Wayne.
Peter Parker in his civilian attire telling two of his supervillians to piss off while he's on a date and they actually comply with his demand feels like something out of a bad Spider-Man fanfic which granted is what Zeb Well's run on ASM has amounted to since near the beginning, but still.
It feels like zeb said fuck it and couldn’t think of a way to give him a proper win
Peter said “Get back,get back gotta get my get back!”😂
at this point i’m doing a spider man fan fic, where ill try everything to make sure all characters progress, no status quo BS
It’s up to the fans to fix it
There is literally no reason to make a new love interest. We got Black Cat who's romance was ended for the supidest reason.
Exactly!
1:40 the moment I no longer cared about what MJ was currently doing. Solid job by the artist on the ... aesthetics. 😉
I think zeb wells is getting to much hate. Hes the modern day dan slot where he has great ideas and bad ones but marvel editorials are making things worse. They practically want gwen to come back to life permanently after all.
I fail to see the good within this title, yes editorial are the masterminds but wells writing is genuinely abhorrent for the most part
@@mnstash I don't think that. Cause his run on other comics and stories featuring spider man like wolverines bday one show he can write spider man. So somethings off
I don't know I didn't read the comment but the way you explain the story it sounded pretty good
Nice Art! Bland Story and Bland Character! Horrible Tenure!
Yeah the art was the only thing remotely good about this
Great video and analysis. I figured out the problem with TH-cam. I can't use Google Chrome and have to go between Edge and Firefox to be able to view videos. Ugh!
"With great power comes great menus and a kiss". Yes, that's Marvel's new approach to Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Will he use this approach the next time he meets up with the Sinister Six? "Hi guys, please just go home for the night as I'm on a date with my new GF. Can we fight next time, OK?" It's a shame I have to point out that this is the tip of the iceberg with the final issues of Zeb Well's run on "ASM". I absolutely dread the upcoming "ASM" run with Kelly and Ireland. I thoroughly believe that upcoming run is going to make Wells's run a masterpiece. How unrealistic for the character "Shay" to accept Peter's tardiness and running out on her on their dates.
Remember MJ knew Peter was Spider-Man and revealed this in "TASM # 257" (cover date October 1984, going on 40 years ago). This was given an exact time frame in the "Untold Tales of Spider-Man # 16" (cover date December 1996) as MJ saw Peter climb out of the window of his Aunt May and Uncle Ben's house in Fairless Hills, when he first got his powers. MJ also knew some day she was going to date Peter but wasn't ready at that time. This issue was done to provide a framework on how and when she found out Peter was Spider-Man. Why? Because in December 1996, Peter and MJ were married at the time and Marvel was establishing canon because in "ASM # 257 she only makes a vague statement regarding when she found out. As I mentioned before, "TASM # 257" and "TASM # 258" (cover date November 1984) I firmly believe was the zenith/peak of Spider-Man comics. MJ knew he was Spider-Man, but didn't accept it until she saw Felicia come through Peter's window and the writer Tom Defalco had the expertise and skill to write the one panel where MJ says, "It's true. It's all true." Compare these excellent issues to the last 17 years of garbage Marvel is giving Spidey fans.
Since the MJ and Peter Marriage in "TASM Annual # 21" (cover date September 1987), and their honeymoon in France in Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man (PPTSS) Annual # 7 (cover date November 1987), there was a slow decline of Spidey comics including Marvel and DC in general. However, that was accelerated at a great pace in "ASM" from 2007 to today. "One More Day" starts in The Amazing Spider-Man #544 (cover date November 2007), continues in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24 (cover date November 2007) and The Sensational Spider-Man (vol. 2) #41 (cover date December 2007), and concludes in The Amazing Spider-Man #545 (cover date January 2008). This is where the decline became decay to an unwanted fossil. Then "Brand New Day starts "ASM Vol. # 3, # 558 (cover date Jul. 2008). Except for the Nick Spencer Run in "ASM" (Vol. # 5 2018 - 2021, total 83 regular issues, 4 oversized specials, 4 Sinister War tie-ins, 3 2099 event titles and a Free Comic Book Day Special, Nick Spencer's run on Amazing Spider-Man comes to a close) where we saw and hoped MJ and Peter were back together again, Marvel has completely and utterly ruined "ASM" with MJ going with PAUL! What a disaster!
"ASM # 55" doesn't surprise me. I'm wondering what happened to Tombstone's lawyer Michelle. As Spidey fans aren't we tired of the Debra Whitman's, implied romance or interest with "Captain Marvel", "Dagger" of "Cloak and Dagger", the inexplicable tie-in to "Silk", the uninspired romance with "Mockingbird", the doomed romance of "Carlie Cooper". This is all trash, and I've taken the trash out many times with "ASM", but the trash not only keeps coming it's building up so fast I can't get rid of it fast enough. I would like to see Peter with Felicia, but I think Marvel has moved on from MJ and Felicia being with Peter. That time has passed for both of those characters. I'm open for an older Spider-Gwen from the multiverse to come to Earth-616, meet Peter, they fall in love, become a power couple and have kids, but I feel like I'm repeating myself on an idea or two that's never going to happen. There's no chemistry between Shay and Peter and it's another woman he has to keep his secret identity from. I'm sick and tired of this. Keep up with the great work and excellent videos. Sooner or later, I'll stop writing dissertations and just accept the fact "ASM" is over for a longtime Spidey fan like me. With "USM" probably going in a different direction in the next 4 issues, I think it's time to go back and read sci-fi novels from Clarke, Heinlein, and Chalker.
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Like you said marvel at this point is probably well past love interests like Mary Jane and Felicia which is not only depressing but severely insulting to characters such as them! At this point if we accept they’ll never write those two properly again and it’s time for a new love interest (even tho we’ve done this exact same dance a billion times already *cough* Carlie cooper *cough* Michelle *cough* mockingbird *cough* could they at least write a half decent story! Must they always ruin Peter in every new issue. I’d love to meet zeb some day purely to just talk the most shit about his stories to his face, I want him to see the genuine disappointment and anger he’s given spidey fans in person. Obviously they’ll eventually break up then he’ll probably go back to mj then Felicia then someone new then repeat and repeat.
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When you got to the 'Screwball and Rino fucked off' part i was dumbfounded. That... That just sounds stupid as hell.
Honestly, I unfortunately can't imagine Peter and MJ together again.
Shay, if the writers don't ruin everything, could turn out to be something interesting, she's a nurse and knows how to deal with people with problems, and Peter has REALLY needed someone to take care of his wounds, both physical and emotional.
Carly Cooper 2.0. It's absolutely ridiculous, but not suprising.
MJ as a character basically stumps the narrative that the Spider-Office has been pushing since OMD, all by herself. Pete can't be miserable if he's hitched with her, and he cant have steamy short lived flings with gorgeous normal girls and/or metahumans when he's loyal to his wife.
They push hard against the wishes of us old schoolers, and feel justified doing it, because there are a crapton of fans who actually LIKE Spidey wallowing in misery and yet somehow capable of pulling baddies from across the Marvel superheroine spectrum.
The only way 616 Pete and MJ will ever be truly reunited for an extended period is if some big wig comes in and cleans up, some dude or dudette that loves 90s Spidey stories and will make heads roll to bring them back. Someone who loves the Parkers like Geoff Johns seems to love classic Hal Jordan.
But until then.... the hell with ASM. USM is right there, and it firing on all cylinders right now.
Man I miss them married, the stories were so good especially how jms wrote them.
Rn we just gotta keep usm killing asm with sales!
Vanna Smith is the only true Spider-Man love interest smh
Who her?
@@robertrowley4929 she’s the girl who thought Spider-Man was stalking her
@@Quantum_Comics oh ok. Thanks.
My spider senses are tingling!
That's...I'm not even gonna lie I don't know what I think. At this point most of the love interest stuff as been on repeat to the point where I know if they're not a character built up over decades of previous writing then they're not gonna last for the long term with Peter. While I guess it's a bit new that Peter confronts his villains as himself and just asking them to stop at this point I've honestly just said that if Peter and MJ were gonna get back together have the current MJ who's with Paul be revealed to be a clone and that the actual one was left in the dimension but wasn't super aged up. From there just make it permanent as I don't get the whole creak up thing anymore when most of the fandom either wants it or are just so tired that they don't care anymore.
The Chef's face at the end kills me everytime
Literally the face of every spidey fan
@@mnstash To his credit, I think it was a good idea to make Spider-Man handle his problems in a different way, since what he's been doing lately clearly isn't working well.
However, the execution by Zeb felt too sleazy to me. It's like he's not even trying, and I don't know how much of it is him and how much of it is the staff interfering with what he plans to do.
An interesting idea would be, since Shay is working at the Ravencroft Institute, to create a plot where she's trying to study Peter's mind and find out who he is. She could tolerate his nonsense on that issue just so she can keep studying him to write a book and make money off of it or something. But then, she would end up realizing that the city needs Spidey and ultimately decide not to publish it.
That could be a nice storyline depending on how it's executed, but with the way things are going, I'm just pretending Peter died in Superior Spider-Man, and everything after that is just some sort of collective hallucination we're all having.
sorry for the huuge text sometimes i get too excited when talking about comics in general
btw love your vids keep it up
No need to apologise and thank you so much man :) glad you like my stuff!
In all honesty at this point I wouldn’t mind shay to stick around for a bit but like you said the execution needs to be better!
Their whole foundation is built off nothing pretty much
I’ve been saying for years, but if marvel could just nut up and give Black Cat a single character arc that allowed her to understand why Peter does the whole dual identity thing; then they could allow the two to become a true power couple on the comics
She does understand tho 🤨 it’s been that way for the longest.
Is there a reason they don't want him and Silk to be a thing again?
No idea, Marvel themselves have zero idea what they’re doing
I was too busy criticizing everything else about this issue to even remember that Rhino was also being treated badly. It really is good Zeb is leaving because I just can't keep up with how terrible he is.
This video made me think about how, again, they don't commit to the bit. This run has been completely overshadowed by their Character Assassination of Mary Jane and how none of what is happening should be happening. But the lack of him inner thoughts and personal life happening really emphasizes how little they're even trying. When Gwen died Peter didn't just bounce around in the next issue like everything was normal. He mourned and grieved and struggled with his emotions. In his current situation, he just had his heart completely ripped out of him, betrayed on a level he didn't think was possible. Even when MJ dumped him in OMIT, he never had to doubt that she loved him, and now, oops turns out that was a lie. So he should be just torn up inside trying to deal with his new reality.
But we get none of that. At first because Zeb obviously didn't know what he was doing. And then afterwards....well I don't know. Sheer incompetence I guess. The Dark Age continues.
Great point with the death of Gwen! That was back when the writers actually cared!
Zeb is such an embarrassment
If he gets a new love interest that isn’t Mary Jane then first he needs to get his life back and those two things won’t happen as long writers zen wells are still in control.
Zeb Wells thinks that by giving him a new girl, replaying the "responsibility" dialogue, and subverting what Peter would always do, he will be forgiven by Spidey's fans
what a joke
I just want my man to be happy 😢
He will screw it up as usual with his Peter Luck and maybe just maybe if marvel could hire a decent writer with real knowledge on the characters doing a pivotal plot that involves Paul becoming a major villain free MJ from that alt universe see that MJ and Paul break up seeing that leads to his madness within Paul. Forcing a change within their children as well seeing to stay with Paul. a time paradox happens within the time of the alt universe in which the children are young adult using their father alt technology version of Goblin suits to hunt MJ and Peter down.
You know what's worse? Zeb Wells was going to go after this, but Mr. Nick Lowe convinced him to stay. I've completely lost hope. Nick has to go as soon as possible. 😖
She is a nurse at asylum right? nah, this won't last long
Yeah pretty sure she was introduced in this series, I give it a month or two
Here’s the issue, Marvel has proven themselves to be so anti-long-term when it comes to relationships that we cannot take any relationship seriously like we once were able to before. Something is going to happen that will break them up, all in the name of keeping Peter Parker single, which is an outdated idea to do with the character that has only devalued him in the last 17 years.
Watch her become a psycho villain because of her time at ravencroft of past trauma. Amd then, peter has to team up with MJ and paul to beat her. Only for MJ to tell peter that they can't be together at the end
And then she bashes Peter because remember she said Peter’s pain is her gain!
Is Alfred moonlighting between Wayne manor and a restaurant?
… or is he spying on Batmans orders?
His job is never truely done!
4:53 I have the same expression as Rhino, just what is Zeb Wells doing
By the looks of it, I don't think this story is as bad as the other issues that were put out lately
It’s not as bad as the goblin story but it still does damage to the characters involved which sucks
@@mnstashI can understand that with how much his character had depth during Dan Slott's time on the run. That page where where Spidey and Rhino talk about moving on just makes me tear up every time.
If Spider-Man fans want Peter to only live by the doctrine of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility," then Peter should never try dating ever again. In fact, he should just stick with being Spider-Man 24/7. Because what he's been doing for the past 60 years isn't healthy. There has to be a balance. With the way people can set their own scheduled by working from home, he doesn't need a regular 9-5 job. And as for relationships, he doesn't have to tell every woman he dates that he's Spider-Man, but he should say that he has an unstable scheduled that if he ignores, lives could be in danger. And the job is a secret for safety of everyone involved. If the women don't want to be part of that kind of relationship, that's fine. For the woman who chooses to stay and support their relationship, she's a keeper who can be told his secret after trust is formed and solidified.
I want Peter to win but this story was just not the way to go about it. You saying he should never date again and be Spider-Man 24/7 because what he’s been doing for 60 years is pretty unfair considering he literally got married within that time and still would be if not for editorial.
@@mnstash I agree, I want Peter to win too. I also hate this current run of Spider-Man and what Marvel and their staff have done to, well, nearly every character they own. I personally don't think Peter should just be Spider-Man 24/7. I specifically said that if you want him to adhere to "WGPCGR," like a religion (which he has been doing) then he may as well be Spider-Man 24/7. I personally don't think he should. As I said before, there needs to be balance. And if you want to make the argument that "he would still be married if not for the editorial" one can just as easily argue that he got married due to the editorial wanting him to grow up more. This isn’t really an argument, because depending on the writer and what Marvel wants, anything can be implemented.
Personally I’ve always viewed Spider-Man as one big story from a teenager to a man to a family man. We grow up with him sorta thing.
A reason to why him being married worked so well imo. Although I do see your point! I just feel like it was handled poorly especially with him just saying ‘hey knock it off’
@@mnstash I agree. Though considering the story is 60 years long now, I we practically grew past Peter. 🤣
He is getting up there😂 it’s funny how time works in comics
A smarter criminal would've noticed this stranger resembles Spider-Man.
MJ was a replacement for Gwen and had no right to dump Peter, he saved her and her family hundreds of times and when he needed her she just up and left him. MJ is a horrible person and I hope she gets a fate worse then Gwen
And she left him all the while he was trying to save her the entire time. Ever since OMD they’ve ruined her character
Gwen >>>>> MJ
Honestly, this issue was kinda fun LMAO
I dismissed this book as a parody long ago because at best it feels like a Saturday Night Live sketch of what a really bad comedian might pretend Spider-Man is like, I've unironically seen better writing on bad episodes of Spongebob Squarepants, and every character written in this is either an OC who is one of the worst characters in all of comics, or has been completely character assassinated to biblical proportion. Also, I've pulled a Linkara and decided that calling the characters P.I.N.O. (Peter Parker in name only), M.I.N.O. (Mary Jane in name only), and F.I.N.O. (Flash Thompson in name only, BTW Flash Thompson is my favorite one of Spider-Man's supporting cast and my favorite supporting cast member in all of comics and I now it wasn't this issue but a few issues back but to see all of his development since his creation be erased is beyond infuriating), is far too generous so I've decided to answer the "Who is Peter Parker/Spider-Man in One More Day and after that" and that's: A Doppelgänger that the U.S. government sent to destroy Peter Parker after he left Team Stark so he decided to carry out his mission by making a deal with the devil and erase the real Peter Parker's marriage, but this also erased his memory so he thinks he's the real Peter Parker, none of what we've been seeing since One More Day is the real Peter Parker we've just been seeing he's Doppelgänger and the real Peter Parker is imprisoned in a government facility far off somewhere and will hopefully get out one day, and undo all of this. Also, I do love how the best part of Zeb Wells' run is seeing people (like you, LewisFilms, and both of Stuart Green's Twitter accounts), bash it to no end, and me (and everyone else), being a dick to Nick Lowe, like sending that clip of George Takei saying "Your intellect is as weak as your dollar. Failure is your destiny. You disrespect yourself and your nation. You are made of stupid" and linking two petitions on Change.0rg (I had to replace to o with an 0 because TH-cam doesn't allow external links), to undo One More Day, and while I'm smart enough to know neither of them will do anything I'll at least be gratified with the idea of Nick Lowe getting pissed off the idea that not only these petitions exist but people are signing the,. Finally, all of this comment has been put through my calm intellectual filter, which prevents me from getting angry and mindlessly yelling so you can only imagine what it would be like if it wasn't through the filter. TLDR: The fact that Zeb Wells' run even existed is a sing that the bubonic plague was onto something.
It really is just one big bad joke isn’t it? I mean seriously it’s sort of impressive at this point with just how poorly written EVERY issue is! It’s like zeb is trying to mess things up
I do agree as well about the way this series has formed together channels and fans like ourselves! It’s cool to see whos come out of this whole mess to somehow try to turn it into a positive
@@mnstash Who on earth tries to turn Zeb Wells' run into a positive because it's no one I've ever heard of?
Check league of comics geek reviews, it’s a nightmare sometimes
This isn’t gonna end right their setting up a dating profile for Peter to ruin his relationship to get back at him for stopping their evil scheme
Why would screw ball and rhino stop their rampage to listen to some random loser's sob story?😂 i aint questioning peter,im questioning the villains
Hey, I’m finally in the under 1 hour gang! 😄
Anyway, I’m just so sick and tired of Zeb Well’s ASM, that I didn’t even bother to pick up this issue. I decided to get Ultimates #3, Vengeance of the Moon Knight #8, X-Men #2, and Venom War: Spider-Man #1 instead. To be honest, I completely forgot who Shay was and that she appeared earlier on in the run too. This just goes to show that Zeb doesn’t even care to make new characters memorable…except for Paul…
Anyway, I don’t even think this story is even good enough to be a feature story, it honestly looks like it would fit better in the back pages of some other issue as a short story. It did absolutely nothing to advance the plot, especially the final Tombstone arc (not looking forward to that by the way); literally the whole point of this issue was just for Zeb to flex at us that he will never get Peter and MJ back together. The character assassinations of course were terrible, and seriously…why would Rhino and Screwball listen to Peter Parker of all people, it’s absurd.
All I’m saying is that I’m not even going to pick up ASM anymore just to see how laughably bad it is, I’m going to spend money on only books worth my time.
Also, mnstash, are you planning on covering Venom War: Spider-Man #1? I mean, sure Jackpot is in it and I didn’t care that much for the Hobgoblin stuff; but if you look past all that stuff, it’s an interesting story.
You bought Ultimates #3? You poor soul...
Just look what they did to She-Hulk!
@@BrandontheAwesome Okay, to be fair, I didn’t know that they were going to do that to that to She-Hulk, I thought they were going to do something a little better. Same goes for the story too, I expected something a little different. But I did like the tease for Ultimate Iron Fist and the Immortal Weapons at the end.
@@spiderbro617 I didn't even know it was out till today. And after seeing She-Hulk, and then Black Cat... yeah, I'm done with this new Ultimate universe.
@@BrandontheAwesome Ultimate Back Cat is still a while out, but I understand that. I don’t like that this new Ultimate Black Cat isn’t going to be Felicia…
But I’m going to stick around with the New Ultimate Universe to see where the narratives of the books go.
@@spiderbro617 Oh wait, it isn't Felicia? Phew, I thought it was a race-swap. Unless it's a Miles Morales situation.
Good for you pal. I'm not. I'm going to stick to old comics.
Give it like 5 minutes where she’ll die, be a supervillain, be brainwashed, a ploy by the Green Goblin, a clone, or she’s stolen by Paul
Foreseeing this chick dying like Gwen in 3…2…1…
I’d have him just step back into the date and then rhino kills somebody and then Pete gotta deal with the guilt of it
HE DID WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear if they mess this up Im gonna just write my Spider-Man story.
same here, i already started mine
Well, they don't just hate MJ, they hate Peter too.
i love how it goes from a comic summary to a rant 😭😭rightfully so tho comic spidey is def at his worst right now
Soon as the story is done it’s open season😭
I still can’t get over how grown adult getting made over story that’s not real like let’s be real comics is something you read have fun with talk about the story with your friends I understand not all stories is good to be good but if people is still mad over mj not being with peter in 2024 or mad about miles being spider man and saying he’s a token character then your not a comic enjoyer your just hating to hate and it really shows the toxic side of you I read comics for fun to enjoy not to simp over a fictional character or be mad cuz my favorite not with the character I want them to be with serious let’s be adults here and let enjoy the story if you like it you like it if you don’t you don’t it’s that simple 😔😔😔
Then don’t watch the video mate if me reviewing a book is clearly affecting you this much.
I look at these comics as a series on my channel, I look at other comics I like as well!
If you don’t complain then things will never change so yeah, I respect what you’re saying but seriously if me saying a book is rightfully bad making you this upset I’d just advise you to not watch these videos.
@@mnstash everyone has their own opinions on things just like you have your own opinions and no your videos is not affecting me every has here own right to criticize things we agree and disagree that’s how things our but I’m not going to get butt hurt over something that’s I don’t own ever time something I see is not to my liking not everyone is going to agree with you just like not everyone is going to agree with me again I will agree not all comics are good here are going to be bad comics just like here will be good comics but is I’m going get mad at ever bad comics I see or read no will hope the author improves on here’s that will be good but criticizing every time is not going make it better criticizing help yes sometimes but at same time a story you dont like or the character like Paul over and over again it’s starts to get toxic writing a story let alone comic book is hard it not a easy thing to do just like writing a manga authors can get burned out to sometimes its over work and sometimes it can be criticism to hand and hand just you said to be if I don’t like your video on things then don’t watch you so just like you if you don’t like the comic don’t read it if you don’t like it that much here other stuff to read
The difference is mate it’s a series I do because I look at comic books, you chose to watch it. If you count this as toxic then that’s fine I really don’t care but I’m saying to maybe not watch the videos if you’re gonna complain over me complaining because I’m not gonna stop. These books are shit and I will keep preaching about how shit they are until they change
@@mnstash again i agree to disagree i read comics im not here to change your mind or your opinions i have my own right and you have your own you do want you want to do im not your parent I just disagree on some of your i have a right to criticize your video and its fine if your going to keep making videos on comics that are bad fine I’m not here to change your mind I’m not here to change anyone else’s mind or opinions and if you think or what I’m saying as complaining then that’s you I dont see as me complaining I just don’t agree with your video
@@mnstash hey its cool to preach about what you want peach about maybe something will change or happen maybe but preaching don’t always work but your in your own to do so
I honestly don’t mind this issue and at least Peter has a love interest now, if the writers aren’t gonna get them back together then I’ll just take this for now it’s better than them getting back together only to be broken up or like recently Peter getting CUCKED but hey this was a solid issue I liked the story didn’t have too much action but I liked it.
My point is that they haven’t put in the effort for this story to work, there’s no proper build up. In fact there’s no real reason for shay to even put up with him after the way he treats her. It could work IF they put the effort in
@@mnstash fair enough I understand the no effort part (she did come out of nowhere). Btw did you also find it funny how they got set up similar to how MJ and him got set up an elderly women wanting them to meet except instead of aunt may it’s MJ’s aunt 😂. Also I’m a fan of your channel it’s great to read a response from you, your content is really good and I enjoy every upload whenever there’s a critique about zeb or when you comment on how well other Spider-Man stories are going thank you for responding to my comment
Hey no problem at all I’m glad you’re apart of the stash! I’m working on a massive Spider-Man 2 (2004) review so I hope you enjoy that once it’s out :)
It doesn’t surprise me anymore they’ve been reusing plots for this entire run, I miss the 80s😭
@@mnstash I’ll be on the lookout for Spider-Man 2 I have a feeling I’m gonna enjoy it a lot
I haven't kept up much with the Zeb Well's run on Spider-Man besides knowing Paul is a thing, and that they've generally trashed on Spider-Man's character. I actually don't view this issue as too terrible, since I think it actually does add depth to Peter rather than Spider-Man, as he realizes that he can't keep repeating the same mistakes in his life, and actually manages to deal with a problem as Peter Parker rather than as Spider-Man. Not that it makes total sense in continuity for Rhino and Screwball to be there, or to care about a random guy's date, but to see Peter Parker actually deal with something as a human being instead of slapping on a costume and beating people up is refreshing.
Also, Shay doesn't seem like too bad of a character. You can say that it doesn't make sense for her to put up with Peter's behavior, but I think that shows content of character where she isn't dating for fun, she's actually interested in the relationship itself working out. Though I didn't even know Shay existed until this video, as I haven't kept up with the comics, so I can't say too much about her character.
That being said, Jeb Wells is a disgrace that should never touch Marvel comics, or perhaps any comics, ever again. I'm tired of these writers trashing Spider-Man's life, and constantly breaking him up from Mary Jane. It's ridiculous. There's literally no story benefit, nor sales benefit for that matter, to break him up with his fan-favorite love interest.
Interesting point of view with the main aspects of the story! I wouldn’t mind shay if they just wrote a better story to go with it. It felt really jarring too considering they never focus on his personal life
@@mnstash Yes. They definitely did her dirty by introducing her in that run of Spider-Man. She's basically what Mary Jane should have been to begin with (or at least far better than she currently is, which isn't a high bar to reach), and I do think that adds some insult to injury. It'll be even more of a tragic waste when the relationship comes to an end and they simply get him back with Mary Jane somehow.
I can see it being jarring, and especially with poor timing given what Zeb Wells has done. Though what I find jarring is that Shay seemed nonchalant about Rhino and Screwball fighting right outside the restaurant. Maybe super villain fights are so normal that people stopped caring, but the fact she didn't even look outside of the window was ridiculous. If anything, I think it would've been good to have her see Peter actually talk them down, wasted opportunity right there.
Good point I didn't even realise everyone BUT Peter were so oblivious to the clear loud destruction taking place literally right next to them
she's probably really Mysterio or Chameleon or Doc Ock's mind is in her body or something.
I won't lie i kinda like this chapter i don't really read spider man, so I don't really know this girl but this is one of the only times i seen Peter handle a problem without being spider man , you had really good points on why this is bad tho
That’s fair enough! I want him to have a Peter win but for me it was just not it
There’s nothing wrong with balancing his own interests, with doing the right thing.
I see where you’re coming from. For me it was still a massive miss