Thing is, Hitler wasnt killed (unless things happened differently in this timeline), he killed himself, *after* Germany was defeated. If he had been killed before that, chances are someone else would have replaced him and continued his path, maybe even someone actually competent at warfare! Just imagine how things might have turned out, if Germany hadnt attacked the SU. Basically Daredevil agrees with Spiderman, without even knowing it, due to his lack of history knowledge.
@@thespacecowboy4124 Other than Doctor Strange no one there is anything resembling a threat, maybe Iron fist idk how tough he is in Ultimate. My boy showed up to fight 6 of his biggest opps with a gunshot wound and still knocked most of them around. If a giant Green immortal moster that absorbs and shoots fire lost to spider-man TWICE i really doubt a lawyer with an attitude is going to do much better.
@@huntertezz oh, you mean AFTER they erased his arse for multiple years, and only reintroduced him as a plot device for Miles? Where they gave Peter immortality for no reason other than to null his heroic death, which was also made for dumb reasons to begin with?!
I like how Spider-Man is the first to go against Kingpin but they gather to get Kingpin and don't enlist him lmao. Can someone give context here, what issue is this? Why does Daredevil want Fisk dead now when no killing was also his thing?
@@UnrealNeoBatBro, villains constantly kill innocent people. It’s not wrong to destroy evil. Stop pretending it is. Villains should not be better protected than the innocent people they endanger. And yet the heroes are far better at saving villains from each other than saving innocent people. Every time someone wants to kill a villain, the “hero” always shows up just in time. But when it’s innocent people on the line their excuse for letting some die is “you can’t save everyone”.
Moonknigth inner god"did someone mention chicken wings?" The other personality "oh boy I cant wait" moonknight"oh fuck you got them started" spiderman"ummmm who?"
Its different version. This is a different Daredevil. The ultimes are ralrey entirly the same. Moon knight doesnt really work in teams, Doctor Strange is usually fully against killing humans, DareDevil intimidates but is usually kind hearted and again, doesnt kill. So on. Different itterations however, have different rules for the characters. I mean, look at all the different versions of the characters, and well...while there is a standard, which is the one we all tend to know, there are just as many which deviate from that standard.
@@emanthescripter1076 He def coudlve tho. Spider Man is better in every single aspect. Faster, stronger, smarter, more acrobatic, his spider senses are literlly just better than dare devils super senses, add that spider man also has super senses, togheter with the webs and wall climbing and well...besides being a blind lawyer, DD doesnt beat Spider man, especially not if Spider Man fully tries.
Yeah, most of them are street level meanwhile Strange can literally bend time lmao. Spider Man in particular can definitely be more than street level but chooses not to. Still, nothing compared to Strange, iounno why they even need him here XD
@@Cipher_PaulThank god there is a reason behind this but still like literally who would find out? Magic is undetectable no one will ever know he can just erase him from existence (not by time travel)
Strange is usually part of the central illuminati of the hero faction with a handful of other intelligent manipulators: Reed Richards, Tony Stark, etc. So he's probably stepping in as the local representative of the shadow government that oversees the heroes. They do smart things like launch Hulk into deep space with a super nuke on his ship. Then Hulk comes back years later as a Roman-style emperor with the last army of a decimated planet to beat the heck out of them for killing his wife and child with the nuke. Really smart people.
Fun fact: de-nazification was a long process that involved many different facets, some harsh like permanently banning nazis from holding public office in Austria, some not so harsh like granting amnesty to lower ranking nazis so Germany wouldn’t have to be rebuilt from the ground up, but be assured there was much more to it than just killing hitler
It's insane how many nazis after the war held political positions in many, many countries. 🤯 No wonder the far right is everywhere these days when you let them spread like the plague...
His super senses is having a 3d real time radar and super hearing. It tells him what is going on physically around him but can't predict what people are thinking.
@@Soulfinthe ultimate universe did everyone but spiderman dirty so it makes sense Miles is the only one of the ultimate universe to actually stay relevant
I liked how much of a-hole Captain America was tbh. Ironman was just an alcoholic 24/7, but a nice dude none the less. Thor was a hippie, but he was pretty chill too. I don't get how "all" the heroes were terrible. But hey sheep get to their own conclusions.
@@CameraPunk5049I think it's because people don't like how Iron Man's redemption from his alcohol addiction is just negated but they also forget it's a new universe. Not every iron man escapes their alcohol addiction.
@@JyMierCrawford also, it wasn't just started with spiderman, it's entire purpose was to fix how badly they had screwed themselves with their spiderman writing. after multiple meaningless and repetitive stories about girlfriend drama, clones, spider totems, etc., etc., they released a reboot comic to tell an updated origin within the main continuity that was pretty poorly received. their being constrained with the writing to hitting all the same beats, except for updating petty things to fit modernity, like whether spiderman gets a computer for his birthday instead of the original microscope, and making changes to character personalities that largely turned off the readers, ultimately resulted in it being considered abysmal at worst or lazy at best. spidey was hemorrhaging readers, and they decided to try again, this time in a separate continuity without the same writing constraints. they didn't just start with spidey and go from there, the entire crux of why they did ultimates was a last ditch attempt to fix the stagnancy of spiderman and bring back readers, and whether they'll admit it in interviews, they didn't really need to care about the other heroes because their books weren't suffering the same problem, so basically everything was written from the perspective of "Will this make Spiderman readers interested again?" considering how narrow that guiding principle is, they did really well, but the fact of the matter is, comic nerds aren't big on change, if you deviate from a character's usual established personality traits or try to replace them with a new character in the same name and suit, a portion of the fanbase almost always objects, and so fans of the other heroes that are present in ultimates had issues, but those characters weren't there to make themselves look good, they were there to make PETER look good.
lets see whos of them in the mcu spiderman :✅ daredevil : ✅ moonknight : ✅ dr strange : ✅ shang shi : ✅ iron fist : i dont know edit : iron fist was in the luke cage show wich is connected to the mcu multiverse as confirmed by she hulk meeting daredevil
@@khaledkhateb8665 Oh shit really? Well throw him into the group then! I can’t wait to have him go back and forth with Spider-Man and Moon Knight! The banter between them all will be just hilarious!😆
Now I'm picturing a barrage of Nerf artillery coming from two Gatlin-type apparatuses affixed to his arms and Dr strange fully embraces the Evil Zurg from Toy Story look.
I know it's another universe, but Spider-Man has taken on the Fantastic Four, X-Men, and the Avengers by himself and come out on top, cracking jokes the entire time.
Yeah, Spider-Man is an extremely scary opponent to go against, especially when he gets serious. Thank goodness that we rarely ever see that side of him.
I think Ghost Rider is the only person who could truly defeat Kingpin, if Ghost Rider used the Penance Stare on Fisk, he's cooked. Plus, he'd be serving diving judgment so none of the other heroes would question him or try to stop him.
Doesn't the penance stare prove ineffective against targets that are sociopaths, those that truly enjoy the suffering of others, or being that lack any concept of morality?
@@mnbrown281 penance stare affects anyone that feels GUILT for their actions,Kingpin has guilt for ALOT of his actions (he's not completely a bad person,he has ethics and morals,so he definitely feels guilt for some of his actions)Thanos tanking it was a fluke because he actually does feel guilt for some of his actions but at that time he ranked higher in the cosmology then the demon/angel powering Ghost rider,only other Time thanos tanked it was old man Thanos who literally lost his marbles and couldn't feel nearly anything
And yet, He gets to have some of the best comic book writers. Jeph Loeb, Tim Sale, Brian Michael Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Michael Lark, Charles Soule, Frank Miller, etc.
@@jeuryrabassa4724wasn't N52 Batman the one that locked Robin in the Batcave with no food other than the rats he caught, murder a bunch of thugs with fire, then do the nasty with Black Canary while thugs were still burning alive?
When dealing with a cartel, you don't go after the head. Just like the hydra, you go after the body. Now i don't know much about king pin, but I'm assuming he is a mafia boss, and last i checked. Mafia bosses are just fancier cartels, and there for the same rules applies. So, spiderman isn't wrong when he says, "taking down king pin is a bad idea." Because it'll just create more mafia bosses.
Kingpin is a giant man who rules New York city's underworld. ANd usually, even the Punisher agrees that killing him would cause a bloody war to erupt, to the point where even the cruellest anti-hero agrees that it's not worth the lives lost... Master of several fighting skills, and wearing a thick kevlar vest over his body. And said body is sculpted to an INSANE degree. (He once boasted that only 2% of his body mass was fat!). He could take Daredevil if he could get his hands on him, and even SPidey has had trouble, when not holding back.
Spiderman out here acting like he didn't beat the absolute crap out of kingpin, then threatened to come back and finish the job by filling his lungs with web fluid
It’s all fun and games until Spider-Man stops joking around, everybody’s gangster until Spider-Man stops holding back. My god, nobody can make me not love Spider-Man.
And we all know Peter's right because that just so happened to be the plot of the Spider-Man game made by Insomniac. Wilson Fisk gets taken down, but crime spikes because of the power vacuum. And if you're gonna use Hitler as an example, I would have to point out that he certainly wasn't the last dictator. Many have risen with their own philosophies which resulted in pain and suffering. Plus Hydra is still around.
@NicksFitnessYT yeah I know. Spidey is the not so low key badass in this sitch. But as far as reflexes and situational awareness... I'd pay to see that.
@@phillip6083Reflexes huh? In terms of reflexes it's literally no contest as Daredevil has literally stated that he can't react to spiderman's attacks even when he knows they're coming.
This is the ultimate universe, and while there’s a lot taken from that universe, the interpretations of these characters are honestly a little bit off here. Like, in this story, Iron Fist sold out the rest of the team to King Pin, which he would never do in mainline continuity. And Moon Knight is somehow crazier in this universe. And Daredevil is Miller’d up X10 here, as well. So I guess it more so depends on how his character is portrayed after “Daredevil: Born Again”
Ha good luck with that. The MCU has more or less destroyed each of these characters. Besides its a team of 6 men, no way the modern MCU would go anywhere near that unless it was to further degrade them
Let’s all be honest here for a second and agree that Spider-Man would absolutely body Daredevil in a fight with no holding back. He’s faster, tougher, stronger and smarter Daredevil in every way
Is Kingpin freaking mutant reality warper or something!? Teleport in "fortress". Combust fat guy. Drop through ceiling. Decapitate fat guy. Idk the other powers but Im sure they all have some metahuman something so: What's with this raid boss lobby delegation? It would take just ONE of them. They've got the B+ Avengers squad ready and here they are just waiting for Spiderman to wag his finger. " Someone would just take his place. " Well then spawn camp the damn throne. Make an example of one and the message will follow: "Be like this guy- get got like this guy."
Dude is incredibly rich and is well aware of the New York hero scene. He’s probably got tons of countermeasures to deal with guys like Dr strange and the x-men if they ever really came after him. Also it’s not fat, it’s muscle. Guy is built like a sumo wrestler and can snap people in half with his bare hands.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 Dr. Strange? THE Dr.Strange? Not MCU stooge, but The Sorcerer Supreme Man who takes on gods, demons, and supernatural dimensional phenomenon- Kingpin has a guy with a plan for that? Because if he DID, then he shouldn't be trying to shadow control a city but the world. Kingpin could get bodied by Spiderman. Easily. I'd say the lineup here is more than enough on their own but DR. STRANGE is HIM. That's not Hugo Strange thats Stephen Strange. Bah depowered by writing.
@@KhaosMerX Who knows, maybe he made some kind of deal with dormmamu or mephisto to have his business protected from dr.Strange. a sacrifice of a few dozen souls would be more than fair payment and I'm sure Fisk could have ponied up the cost easily.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 against the X-men,DD, Spidey,Iron fist and Shan-shi and most other mid tier heroes sure,but i HEAVILY doubt he's got anything to stop a Doctor Strange that TRULY wants him dead
@@KhaosMerXThe Sorcerer Supreme actually was asked by someone why he didn't intervine in the Civil War because he could've ended the whole thing with one word. He's literally had to put the universe back together with the living tribunal. There are very few occasions where I'd ever bet against him either.
I love how daredevil says it a grown up world but when the punisher kidnapped him and gave him a gun and said you either shoot me or I'm shooting them and dd cry no you can't
God's I hope that there's more to this than meets the eye, otherwise almost everyone is acting so out of character it actually hurts to read. Like, Civil War hurts to read.
It's the Ultimate Universe. That's why the heroes are more willing to dirty work even if it costs them their morality. In the main verse, Daredevil *knows* Kingpin's death would cause more problems than solves. As much as he liked him to be dead, Matt isn't a lawyer for nothing. He knows what would happen if there's a power vacuum.
One of the most amazing things about the Amazing Spider Man is the amazing frequency with which people need to find out the hard way that he is, in fact, amazing.
Spidey beats Daredevil with ease all DD has on his side is radar or sonar sense and better hand to hand combat but Spidey has the gigantic amount of agility, equilibrium, speed, reflexes, strength, durability, healing, stealth, IQ, EQ, Flexability, and more ranges of mid to long ranges of attacking while DD may be a casual bullet timer even at close range and at many angles by master marks people Spidey is a casual lightning timer and even light speed timer even during his early days yeah.
Spider-Man really facts and like daredevil said they will stand for something. Literally 6 vigilantes stormed someone’s penthouse and murdered them that ain’t a good look
How is the public supposed to trust heroes who think they can kill whoever they feel like just because it will be easier? Spider-Man is right, they're supposed to be better to give people something to believe in.
@@OrbObserverof course but I think it gets to the point where if someone is such a horrible danger to the lives of the people around them, and they have absolutely no intention or possibility of becoming better, it might just be more worth it to remove them completely. Like when Kingpin has the power to escape any jail he’s sent to, and the money to corrupt any politician who gets elected, I don’t think it’s a good idea to let him continue living when there’s almost a complete guarantee that he’ll destroy the lives of someone who doesn’t deserve it. Like I think when faced with the choice of Killing the Kingpin, and breaking the code, or allowing innocent well meaning people to suffer, then keeping the code intact just for the sake of it doesn’t feel too right. Heroes should be a symbol of hope, kindness, and safety, and I don’t think that hope should be interrupted by a call telling you that your mom was killed in a “work accident”
It’s just something about when Spidey gets serious with his threats that just makes me all giddy. Like the dude has a heart of gold and has enough quips to make Bugs Bunny weak in the knees, but when he gets serious…DAMN.
Daredevil: When Hitler was killed his regin stopped
Spiderman: Have you ever hear of the name RED SKULL AND HYDRA?!
Lmao
Thing is, Hitler wasnt killed (unless things happened differently in this timeline), he killed himself, *after* Germany was defeated. If he had been killed before that, chances are someone else would have replaced him and continued his path, maybe even someone actually competent at warfare! Just imagine how things might have turned out, if Germany hadnt attacked the SU. Basically Daredevil agrees with Spiderman, without even knowing it, due to his lack of history knowledge.
That's not in the ultimate universe
Red Skull is part of AIM & not a Nazi in Ultimate
Stalin, Mao, East Germany/Berlin. To name a few
Reign fool
Be careful, Daredevil: If Spider-Man jokes with you, you're safe; if he stops holding back and stops telling jokes, it's a dark day for everyone. 💯🎉
Kingpin should know
He's like 15 in this issue and surrounded my 4 other dudes lol. Ultimate spider man is strong but not THAT strong
@@thespacecowboy4124 Other than Doctor Strange no one there is anything resembling a threat, maybe Iron fist idk how tough he is in Ultimate. My boy showed up to fight 6 of his biggest opps with a gunshot wound and still knocked most of them around. If a giant Green immortal moster that absorbs and shoots fire lost to spider-man TWICE i really doubt a lawyer with an attitude is going to do much better.
Yeah this Spiderman not beating them up😂😂
Or he has laryngitis
"I don't fight Kids"
This "kid" can break concrete with his punches
The "Kid" can decapitate you in one punch.
This “kid” can body you with a Porsche that he lifts up like a kitten.
this "kid" once effortlessly lifted a tank
@@goldberg91 the same kid in another universe that bitch slapped the guy they're killing with no effort
So can you, allthough it might give you carpal tunnel if you do it too often (Dont do it your finger bones will be cracking everytime you move)
Daredevil: I don't fight kids
Spider-Man: I wouldn't want to fight me either.
😂😂😂😂😂
Ultimate Spidey probably could've everyone there but strange
LOL I see what you did there.
@@TimXMan1000 think strange just watch them fight.
😂
Ultimate universe really did everyone but spiderman dirty
Just like DC's New 52 but Batman.
Ironic.
Untill Miles happened....
Then Peter was also done dirty. The dirtiest. Absolutely filthy.
@@TheDoomsdayzoner No, didn't they give Peter a happy ending where he drives with Mary Jane?
Something the main Peter has been wishing for years.
@@huntertezz oh, you mean AFTER they erased his arse for multiple years, and only reintroduced him as a plot device for Miles? Where they gave Peter immortality for no reason other than to null his heroic death, which was also made for dumb reasons to begin with?!
He deserves *something,* ok?
I like how Spider-Man is the first to go against Kingpin but they gather to get Kingpin and don't enlist him lmao. Can someone give context here, what issue is this? Why does Daredevil want Fisk dead now when no killing was also his thing?
This happens in the ultimate universe
It’s Ultimates. They tend to want everyone dead. Well except for Spider-Man since he was the only hero not completely butchered by Ultimates.
That must've really sucked being the only nice guy in the room.
@@AlonzoTompkinsYet by the end 80%of his bad guy are dead and he ends up bettering the world
@@UnrealNeoBatBro, villains constantly kill innocent people. It’s not wrong to destroy evil. Stop pretending it is. Villains should not be better protected than the innocent people they endanger. And yet the heroes are far better at saving villains from each other than saving innocent people. Every time someone wants to kill a villain, the “hero” always shows up just in time. But when it’s innocent people on the line their excuse for letting some die is “you can’t save everyone”.
'The only way to stop kingpin is to kill him'
Spiderman who literally stopped him without doing that in his FIRST MONTH OF BEING A SUPERHERO
Kingpin: You're telling me... I got done in by a kid who barely knows his gimmick!?
Also Kingpin, after the events of Aunt May: Understandable.
That's a sign to quit it all@@johngona5929
He didn't stop king pin he slowed him down thats why they are in this situation in fact in the run King Pin doesn't stop until mysterio killed him
Well obviously he wasn’t stopped then if he’s still doing bad shit lol
spidey couldnt stop peter from killing him w his bare hands when aunt may was killed. he had to put it to the side in that moment
* oh and there's moon knight and I presume he's generally crazy* lolll
“There- There are no chicken wings”
Moonknigth inner god"did someone mention chicken wings?" The other personality "oh boy I cant wait" moonknight"oh fuck you got them started" spiderman"ummmm who?"
Genuinely*
Lmfaooo moon knight is really that character you can’t help
But like 😭
Safe assumption
Part of me feels like Punisher should’ve been a part of this meeting. But then another part of me remembers that nobody likes working with Frank lol
If people say Moon Knight and Deadpool are crazy
Frank is, on their level as well
These hypocrites think frank is too dangerous.
Castle wouldn’t have a meeting to kill anyone needing killing immediately.
@@michaelhaysbert703 when has someone died working with him?
@@juanchopmackstack9178 His last baby momma stepped on a land mine. For 1
To be honest a spiderman not holding back would humble the entire group if it came to a fight. Strange being the only real threat .
I find it hard to believe that Spider-Man would win here if he had to fight them
@@ContagiousSponge Spiderman going all out would destroy them. Spiderman usually holds back alot.
@@godking Literally Dr Strange alone could stop him. So again, hard to believe Spider-Man would win that fight.
@@ContagiousSponge Strange is the only real threat among that team.
@@ContagiousSpongespider man is stronger
My favorite part was when Spider-Man humbled Daredevil.
Yeah it was so good when he humbled daredevil
My favorite part too.
My part is when Spider-Man Daredevil
Right? I got chills when he said “It’s humblin’ time,” and then humbled all over him…
Daredevil won't be able to even sleep at night from that "Look at me" he took. Really lookatmeish. I… wouldn't be able to live with myself really.
Wow,
Ultimate Marvel really did Daredevil dirty.
And DD doesn't even think, talk, or even act that way.
That's very undeserving.
Yeah man, they murdered my boi.
Tbh spiderman couldn't have just beaten him easily, elektra washed him in this run
@@justamanofculture1168 Look how they massacred my boy
Its different version. This is a different Daredevil. The ultimes are ralrey entirly the same. Moon knight doesnt really work in teams, Doctor Strange is usually fully against killing humans, DareDevil intimidates but is usually kind hearted and again, doesnt kill. So on. Different itterations however, have different rules for the characters. I mean, look at all the different versions of the characters, and well...while there is a standard, which is the one we all tend to know, there are just as many which deviate from that standard.
@@emanthescripter1076 He def coudlve tho. Spider Man is better in every single aspect. Faster, stronger, smarter, more acrobatic, his spider senses are literlly just better than dare devils super senses, add that spider man also has super senses, togheter with the webs and wall climbing and well...besides being a blind lawyer, DD doesnt beat Spider man, especially not if Spider Man fully tries.
Bruh why do Doctor Strange need to team up with street level heroes to take down some mafia boss? 🤦🏿♂️
Yeah, most of them are street level meanwhile Strange can literally bend time lmao. Spider Man in particular can definitely be more than street level but chooses not to. Still, nothing compared to Strange, iounno why they even need him here XD
Lmfaoooo
Because he doesn't want to kill Kingpin, so he has to have one of them do it for him.
@@Cipher_PaulThank god there is a reason behind this but still like literally who would find out?
Magic is undetectable no one will ever know he can just erase him from existence (not by time travel)
Strange is usually part of the central illuminati of the hero faction with a handful of other intelligent manipulators: Reed Richards, Tony Stark, etc. So he's probably stepping in as the local representative of the shadow government that oversees the heroes. They do smart things like launch Hulk into deep space with a super nuke on his ship. Then Hulk comes back years later as a Roman-style emperor with the last army of a decimated planet to beat the heck out of them for killing his wife and child with the nuke. Really smart people.
Fun fact: de-nazification was a long process that involved many different facets, some harsh like permanently banning nazis from holding public office in Austria, some not so harsh like granting amnesty to lower ranking nazis so Germany wouldn’t have to be rebuilt from the ground up, but be assured there was much more to it than just killing hitler
And it's still not completely gone.
Also, Hitler killed himself.
It's insane how many nazis after the war held political positions in many, many countries. 🤯 No wonder the far right is everywhere these days when you let them spread like the plague...
Hello...... MAGA 🤷🤷🤷
I’m gonna be honest, banning them from office doesn’t sound harsh.
@@Mark73 I know
Daredevil super senses ain't super enough to tell him he how much danger he was puttin himself in🤣
His super senses is having a 3d real time radar and super hearing. It tells him what is going on physically around him but can't predict what people are thinking.
The rest of the team stopped Jameson from getting the freest headline of all time: “Spider-Man pummels a blind man into submission”
JJ would've had a field day with that one.
"SPIDER-MAN: ABLEIST?! LOCAL MENACE SHOWS TRUE COLORS AS BIGOTED THREAT TO NEW YORK'S MOST VULNERABLE."
0:03 Lmao isnt this abit below Dr Stranges paygrade? Mf trolls eldritch abominations for fun why in gods name is he fighting KingPin?💀💀💀
Ultimates universe, everyone in Ultimates is mostly a lower powered, less cosmic, nastier, younger less experienced version of their 616 versions.
@@chrisanderson7820God damn, how'd Miles come out of that good then.
@@Soulfinthe ultimate universe did everyone but spiderman dirty so it makes sense Miles is the only one of the ultimate universe to actually stay relevant
@@Username-wj8pz and also the other spiderman too, he was also well written with his self "sacrifice" and so on.
0:52 daredevil hit Spiderman with the 🧏🤫
bye bye
@@SKILLEDduck55BYe BYe 🧏♂️🤫
@@kageyo haha my g
4:05 Mogged
Spider-Man in the Ultimates universe: 👑
Every other hero: 💩
it makes sense tho because this universe started with him and they built it up from there
@@JyMierCrawfordok, shit still has to evolve bro
I liked how much of a-hole Captain America was tbh.
Ironman was just an alcoholic 24/7, but a nice dude none the less.
Thor was a hippie, but he was pretty chill too.
I don't get how "all" the heroes were terrible.
But hey sheep get to their own conclusions.
@@CameraPunk5049I think it's because people don't like how Iron Man's redemption from his alcohol addiction is just negated but they also forget it's a new universe. Not every iron man escapes their alcohol addiction.
@@JyMierCrawford also, it wasn't just started with spiderman, it's entire purpose was to fix how badly they had screwed themselves with their spiderman writing. after multiple meaningless and repetitive stories about girlfriend drama, clones, spider totems, etc., etc., they released a reboot comic to tell an updated origin within the main continuity that was pretty poorly received. their being constrained with the writing to hitting all the same beats, except for updating petty things to fit modernity, like whether spiderman gets a computer for his birthday instead of the original microscope, and making changes to character personalities that largely turned off the readers, ultimately resulted in it being considered abysmal at worst or lazy at best. spidey was hemorrhaging readers, and they decided to try again, this time in a separate continuity without the same writing constraints.
they didn't just start with spidey and go from there, the entire crux of why they did ultimates was a last ditch attempt to fix the stagnancy of spiderman and bring back readers, and whether they'll admit it in interviews, they didn't really need to care about the other heroes because their books weren't suffering the same problem, so basically everything was written from the perspective of "Will this make Spiderman readers interested again?"
considering how narrow that guiding principle is, they did really well, but the fact of the matter is, comic nerds aren't big on change, if you deviate from a character's usual established personality traits or try to replace them with a new character in the same name and suit, a portion of the fanbase almost always objects, and so fans of the other heroes that are present in ultimates had issues, but those characters weren't there to make themselves look good, they were there to make PETER look good.
This is a pretty powerful group I sure wouldn't mind seeing this group together in the mcu
lets see whos of them in the mcu
spiderman :✅
daredevil : ✅
moonknight : ✅
dr strange : ✅
shang shi : ✅
iron fist : i dont know
edit : iron fist was in the luke cage show wich is connected to the mcu multiverse as confirmed by she hulk meeting daredevil
@@khaledkhateb8665edit: Iron Fist had his own show, not just a character in another show.
@@khaledkhateb8665Wolverine would make a nice addition to the group. I know he’s not MCU official just saying.
@@terrencehollins8072 hes actually officially in the mcu now in the marvels movie
@@khaledkhateb8665 Oh shit really? Well throw him into the group then! I can’t wait to have him go back and forth with Spider-Man and Moon Knight! The banter between them all will be just hilarious!😆
Everyone has a plan until the Spider stops joking around
sure they do it becomes, "Run like hell."
Loki : there are no men like me
Old man : there are ALLWAYS men like you
4:12: He can't, Spiderman. He's blind.😂
Dr. Strange saying he'd like the opportunity to throw Nerf balls at Kingpin's head made me visualize him using Nerf Rival blasters to do so
Now I'm picturing a barrage of Nerf artillery coming from two Gatlin-type apparatuses affixed to his arms and Dr strange fully embraces the Evil Zurg from Toy Story look.
In the Ultimate Universe they made pretty much everyone besides Spider-Man an asshole.
Nah why moon knight sound dissappointed bout the chicken wings 😂
Dracula still owes him money
I know it's another universe, but Spider-Man has taken on the Fantastic Four, X-Men, and the Avengers by himself and come out on top, cracking jokes the entire time.
Yeah, Spider-Man is an extremely scary opponent to go against, especially when he gets serious. Thank goodness that we rarely ever see that side of him.
Was really hoping when Spider-Man said "look at me" that Daredevil was gonna hit him with an "I can't." 616 would have
I think Ghost Rider is the only person who could truly defeat Kingpin, if Ghost Rider used the Penance Stare on Fisk, he's cooked. Plus, he'd be serving diving judgment so none of the other heroes would question him or try to stop him.
I wonder if Spiderman would consider it killing?
Doesn't the penance stare prove ineffective against targets that are sociopaths, those that truly enjoy the suffering of others, or being that lack any concept of morality?
Bruh seriously he is just a fat mafi boss
Lmao Ghost Rider would scare the shit out him by just appearing in front of him
Bruh seriously he is just a fat mafi boss
Lmao Ghost Rider would scare the shit out him by just appearing in front of him
@@mnbrown281 penance stare affects anyone that feels GUILT for their actions,Kingpin has guilt for ALOT of his actions (he's not completely a bad person,he has ethics and morals,so he definitely feels guilt for some of his actions)Thanos tanking it was a fluke because he actually does feel guilt for some of his actions but at that time he ranked higher in the cosmology then the demon/angel powering Ghost rider,only other Time thanos tanked it was old man Thanos who literally lost his marbles and couldn't feel nearly anything
Spiderman would wipe the floor with Daredevil. It wouldn't even be close.
Horrible mischaracterisation of Daredevil imo
That’s the ultimate universe for you, the only good thing from it being spider-man
And yet,
He gets to have some of the best comic book writers.
Jeph Loeb, Tim Sale, Brian Michael Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Michael Lark, Charles Soule, Frank Miller, etc.
@jo-se3659 Just Like DC's New 52.
And the only good one in that universe is Batman.
But a great representation of Spider-Man
@@jeuryrabassa4724wasn't N52 Batman the one that locked Robin in the Batcave with no food other than the rats he caught, murder a bunch of thugs with fire, then do the nasty with Black Canary while thugs were still burning alive?
Is it just me or is it wild to have daredevil SMILING as he’s talking about killing someone 😭
So where’s the “humbling”?
Later in this arc when spidey beats the crap outta him thinking he's working for the kingpin.
He did also tell a blind man to look at him.
Verbal beatdown, I guess
@@neptune9647 For a guy who can "see" with his other senses, he really isn't looking at Spider-Man at all.
Spider-Man's *serious*
@@hypVideo Then the title should be "Spiderman WILL humble Daredevil in a later video".
When dealing with a cartel, you don't go after the head. Just like the hydra, you go after the body.
Now i don't know much about king pin, but I'm assuming he is a mafia boss, and last i checked. Mafia bosses are just fancier cartels, and there for the same rules applies.
So, spiderman isn't wrong when he says, "taking down king pin is a bad idea." Because it'll just create more mafia bosses.
Kingpin is a giant man who rules New York city's underworld. ANd usually, even the Punisher agrees that killing him would cause a bloody war to erupt, to the point where even the cruellest anti-hero agrees that it's not worth the lives lost...
Master of several fighting skills, and wearing a thick kevlar vest over his body. And said body is sculpted to an INSANE degree. (He once boasted that only 2% of his body mass was fat!). He could take Daredevil if he could get his hands on him, and even SPidey has had trouble, when not holding back.
@corjonbett spidy never had an issue. He chose to have an issue
@@corjonbettMight as well marry him too
@@winchestersons6258 I misspoke. I meant when he WAS holding back the Kingpin gave him trouble
@@corjonbett yep
He rlly said “I will solo al y’all frfr” and everybody but Daredevil immediately accepted it as fact😭
lets be real spidy was about to stop holding back and start showing why he is HIM
That “kid” can dodge a bullet point blank and throw a large containers around casually
And then there’s 616 Daredevil, who knows not to fuck with Spider-Man unless he absolutely has to
Little did all of them know. This “child” in another universe already humilliated/murdered kingpin…….
“There are no chicken wings”
-Moon Knight, the most serious superhero in Marvel
Spiderman out here acting like he didn't beat the absolute crap out of kingpin, then threatened to come back and finish the job by filling his lungs with web fluid
Can we all agree when Spider-Man gets serious it’s a problem
This is why Spidey is my favorite. He don't care who you are, if you're on the wrong side of right he'll stop you.
Imma have to disagree with Peter on this one.
Daredevil doesn’t want that smoke with spider man
It’s all fun and games until Spider-Man stops joking around, everybody’s gangster until Spider-Man stops holding back. My god, nobody can make me not love Spider-Man.
Spider-Man's back/shadow imitating the black suit when he's questioning Daredevil about ending Fisk's life. Neat.
Daredevil: Well look at you
Spider-man, (what he should've said): You wish
And we all know Peter's right because that just so happened to be the plot of the Spider-Man game made by Insomniac. Wilson Fisk gets taken down, but crime spikes because of the power vacuum.
And if you're gonna use Hitler as an example, I would have to point out that he certainly wasn't the last dictator. Many have risen with their own philosophies which resulted in pain and suffering.
Plus Hydra is still around.
Wow...
Spidey and the devil of hells kitchen in the ring?off the chain?
That would be a match up worth seeing.
Not really, Spider-Man has to hold back substantially just to make it a somewhat fair fight. Peter one-shots easily
@NicksFitnessYT yeah I know.
Spidey is the not so low key badass in this sitch.
But as far as reflexes and situational awareness...
I'd pay to see that.
@@phillip6083Reflexes huh? In terms of reflexes it's literally no contest as Daredevil has literally stated that he can't react to spiderman's attacks even when he knows they're coming.
If only he knew @@James-nr2hi
it'd be a one hit kill so not really
Spiderman was so happy to be a part of the group and ended up with a bunch of psychos
Spider-man: “look at me.”
💀
"Look at you"
"Must suck that you can't"
Daredevil, I love you, but I know that Spider-Man can kick your ass from Manhattan to Poughkeepsie, please sit down before he smashes you
Since all 6 of these characters r in the MCU I wanna see all this get recreated there
This is the ultimate universe, and while there’s a lot taken from that universe, the interpretations of these characters are honestly a little bit off here. Like, in this story, Iron Fist sold out the rest of the team to King Pin, which he would never do in mainline continuity. And Moon Knight is somehow crazier in this universe. And Daredevil is Miller’d up X10 here, as well. So I guess it more so depends on how his character is portrayed after “Daredevil: Born Again”
Ha good luck with that. The MCU has more or less destroyed each of these characters. Besides its a team of 6 men, no way the modern MCU would go anywhere near that unless it was to further degrade them
@@SasukeTheCursed You can claim this for other characters, but the MCU handled DD better than the Ultimates.
"They killed Hitler"
No, Hitker killed himself. They defeated the 3rd Reich in a war.
Let’s all be honest here for a second and agree that Spider-Man would absolutely body Daredevil in a fight with no holding back. He’s faster, tougher, stronger and smarter Daredevil in every way
DD, stop acting like you can take on Spiderman.
He can and he already has.
@@e.l.4860he’s outsmarted him and escaped him but in a hand to hand fight spiderman claps
@@Joseph12373He's beaten him before, hand to hand, knocked him out while he was in a rage, and he for sure wasn't holding back his punches.
@@e.l.4860 when?
@@Joseph12373Peter Parker, the spectacular Spider-Man issue 110. Check it out. And make no excuses.
Ooohhh, Ooooo... he's gonna tell...
Sounds like my kids when they're arguing. 😏
Honestly, the kid can benchpress a bus for funsies. Not sure Daredevil really wants to piss him off...
It sucks when everbody thinks Spiderman is a joke😂😂😂❤
Daredevil knows he couldn't handle those Spider-Hands.
3:50 “I don’t fight kids” mf do you not understand Spidey would KILL YOU like instantly, he could kill you with a punch
It feels like that chicken wing joke *_really_* caused some deep internal thinking in Moon knight. He was REALLY confused.
Is Kingpin freaking mutant reality warper or something!?
Teleport in "fortress". Combust fat guy.
Drop through ceiling. Decapitate fat guy.
Idk the other powers but Im sure they all have some metahuman something so:
What's with this raid boss lobby delegation?
It would take just ONE of them. They've got the B+ Avengers squad ready and here they are just waiting for Spiderman to wag his finger.
" Someone would just take his place. "
Well then spawn camp the damn throne. Make an example of one and the message will follow:
"Be like this guy- get got like this guy."
Dude is incredibly rich and is well aware of the New York hero scene.
He’s probably got tons of countermeasures to deal with guys like Dr strange and the x-men if they ever really came after him.
Also it’s not fat, it’s muscle. Guy is built like a sumo wrestler and can snap people in half with his bare hands.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 Dr. Strange? THE Dr.Strange? Not MCU stooge, but The Sorcerer Supreme Man who takes on gods, demons, and supernatural dimensional phenomenon-
Kingpin has a guy with a plan for that?
Because if he DID, then he shouldn't be trying to shadow control a city but the world. Kingpin could get bodied by Spiderman. Easily. I'd say the lineup here is more than enough on their own but DR. STRANGE is HIM. That's not Hugo Strange thats Stephen Strange.
Bah depowered by writing.
@@KhaosMerX Who knows, maybe he made some kind of deal with dormmamu or mephisto to have his business protected from dr.Strange.
a sacrifice of a few dozen souls would be more than fair payment and I'm sure Fisk could have ponied up the cost easily.
@@Randomyoutuber-4831 against the X-men,DD, Spidey,Iron fist and Shan-shi and most other mid tier heroes sure,but i HEAVILY doubt he's got anything to stop a Doctor Strange that TRULY wants him dead
@@KhaosMerXThe Sorcerer Supreme actually was asked by someone why he didn't intervine in the Civil War because he could've ended the whole thing with one word. He's literally had to put the universe back together with the living tribunal. There are very few occasions where I'd ever bet against him either.
Moon Knight being genuinely befuddled by the lack of chicken wings was hilarious
Mark Bagley man… I quit reading comics almost 30 years ago, he was doing Night Thrasher and ASM, I think and he’s still kicking 👍 long may it continue
Spider-Man telling the blind guy to look at him is crazy
“look at me” is wild
Spiderman should have replied to the "Well look at you" with...."you literally can't"
Axtually, Daredevil's blindness is NOT well known, he keeps that a secret, because it really would make his identity easy to deduce, doesn't he??
Spidey would trounce DD, drag him up and down midtown and still make it home for dinner.
Later in SHEILD hedquarters;
Fury: ill slap them on the wrist for you tattletale.
Papa NaSMaX says: "Its not just that you win, its HOW you win"
I love how daredevil says it a grown up world but when the punisher kidnapped him and gave him a gun and said you either shoot me or I'm shooting them and dd cry no you can't
God's I hope that there's more to this than meets the eye, otherwise almost everyone is acting so out of character it actually hurts to read. Like, Civil War hurts to read.
It's the Ultimate Universe. That's why the heroes are more willing to dirty work even if it costs them their morality. In the main verse, Daredevil *knows* Kingpin's death would cause more problems than solves. As much as he liked him to be dead, Matt isn't a lawyer for nothing. He knows what would happen if there's a power vacuum.
@@girl1213 Thanks for that, it explains the character writing and reminds me of why I only liked maybe 15% of the Ultimate Universe.
"More than meets the eye" goddamnit that pun hurts. It wasn't even intentional, but it still hurts XD
@@Barbequed-Clorox Oh god, you're right. Oww-oww-oww-oww!
One of the most amazing things about the Amazing Spider Man is the amazing frequency with which people need to find out the hard way that he is, in fact, amazing.
Sounds like kids wrote the dialog
Daredevil thinks he’s that guy bro that’s spiderman
Dare Devil: Look at you …
Spider-Man: Can you?
Spiderman humbled everyone thats why hes my favorite. Including Miles.
But he didn't really do anything he just called them out on saying what they were doing was wrong and then threatened to tell on them
The fact that Dr. Strange is on the team to take down Kingpin💀
Yea he could literally erase him from existence lamo.. but I think it’s cause kingpin made himself immune to magic by making a deal with the devil
Spidey beats Daredevil with ease all DD has on his side is radar or sonar sense and better hand to hand combat but Spidey has the gigantic amount of agility, equilibrium, speed, reflexes, strength, durability, healing, stealth, IQ, EQ, Flexability, and more ranges of mid to long ranges of attacking while DD may be a casual bullet timer even at close range and at many angles by master marks people Spidey is a casual lightning timer and even light speed timer even during his early days yeah.
Spider-Man really facts and like daredevil said they will stand for something. Literally 6 vigilantes stormed someone’s penthouse and murdered them that ain’t a good look
How is the public supposed to trust heroes who think they can kill whoever they feel like just because it will be easier? Spider-Man is right, they're supposed to be better to give people something to believe in.
@@OrbObserverof course but I think it gets to the point where if someone is such a horrible danger to the lives of the people around them, and they have absolutely no intention or possibility of becoming better, it might just be more worth it to remove them completely.
Like when Kingpin has the power to escape any jail he’s sent to, and the money to corrupt any politician who gets elected, I don’t think it’s a good idea to let him continue living when there’s almost a complete guarantee that he’ll destroy the lives of someone who doesn’t deserve it.
Like I think when faced with the choice of Killing the Kingpin, and breaking the code, or allowing innocent well meaning people to suffer, then keeping the code intact just for the sake of it doesn’t feel too right.
Heroes should be a symbol of hope, kindness, and safety, and I don’t think that hope should be interrupted by a call telling you that your mom was killed in a “work accident”
DD: I don't fight kids
Spider Man: you just don't want to have to explain you getting your butt whooped by a kid
Didn't see or hear any humbling, please do better with the titles, you don't want to fall into the click bait trap.
Daredevil saying they killed hitler to say nobody took his place is a complete lie considering red skull exists
Spider-Man told his “all I see is red” head ass to look at him 😂😂😂😂😂
i would love for spider man to respond back with "i don't fight blind people"
The chicken wings joke with moon knight killed me😂
Daredevil, YOU DO NOT WANT THE SMOKE
Bro daredevil is tough, he can’t hear very well, but to spiderman he is genuinely just a regular dude😂😂 the way he would get dismantled is insane
In no way in this “humbling daredevil”
When Doctor Strange could have just Portaled Kingpin into the Sun in the first panel...
Even in the ultimate comics I'm 100% sure spiderman can rock daredevil's shit
It’s just something about when Spidey gets serious with his threats that just makes me all giddy. Like the dude has a heart of gold and has enough quips to make Bugs Bunny weak in the knees, but when he gets serious…DAMN.
Spider-Man would have wooped this man so fast
Daredevil: "Well look at you"
Spidey: "You can't though"
the idea of daredevil trying to fight spiderman is hilarious
Why Is nobody talking about how perfectly the voice acting is.
He really said, "Look at me." To a blind man."
We all know the real reason they don't unalive people is because they'd run out of heroes and villains within a week.