@@SarcasticChorus Real talk, I actually always shipped Timmy with Veronica more than either Tootie or Trixie. And I still wish (ha!) both Trixie and Veronica could’ve been more fleshed out as the show went on. Personally, most of the school kids could’ve been interesting if they focused on them. It feels like they wanted us to hate them, especially Veronica and justify Timmy not being interested in her. Especially when she seems to get frequently bullied by her own peers. I know fans love Tootie more and I get the appeal and I would’ve been interested in how that relationship developed if it was at least natural. But if you’ve seen Timmy and Tootie’s relationship, you’ve seen every relationship where one of them is a nerdy and clingy stalker. Timmy never reciprocated Tootie’s feelings unless there’s a couple scenes excluding the live action movies I don’t remember but it feels like the show is telling Timmy that he owes her his love just because she likes him unlike Trixie and has a shitty home life with Vicky. It’s the cliche “hero getting with the homely girl who he actually gets along with vs the pretty girl who he only likes for her looks”. But The Boy Who Would Be Queen establishes that Trixie was basically forced into traditional femininity (even if that’s based on the whole “not like other girls” trope) that she had more depth to her than what Timmy saw. In FOP’s case especially, it feels like they’re telling Timmy to give up on his dreams of being with Trixie because she’s too shallow or just not interested (which wasn’t the case in other episodes) and that he should settle for Tootie. It’s so mean spirited and cynical to say in a kids show which was always one of the show’s biggest problems. And it’s super weird they pushed that so much that they imply they have kids in the future and it’s why I don’t love Channel Chasers as much as everyone else does. Elmer’s other show, Danny Phantom, had the same exact set up almost bar for bar but worse with Paulina not getting ANY real depth and Sam being unlikable in her own right and not telling Danny how she feels even after she loses him to someone else. Valerie should’ve been Danny’s endgame and I still stand by it. Comparing her to Tootie, Veronica admittedly isn’t much better with Trixie as demonstrated by the internet episode, but it’s because she wants her life. The popularity, the respect and Timmy to have a crush on her. I would’ve wanted to see an episode where she stood up to Trixie, Tad and Chad with Trixie admitting her mistakes and apologizing and maybe both eventually becoming a part of Timmy’s friend group. And I'd be down with either of them becoming Timmy’s endgame love interest. With Veronica tho, I just think it’s more compelling for an average kid who no one understands to bond with a popular girl who isn’t as popular as she would’ve wanted to be and isn’t treated much better than how the rich kids treat him. At least Braceface and As Told By Ginger did something similar to this.
As much as I want to see Timmy and Trixie together in the show, maybe they should give Tootie a chance to be with Timmy if she's not being a creepy stalker especially in Season 6 and Season 7. But I do feel bad for Tootie especially when she deals with Vicky everyday since they are sisters. So I ship Timmy with either Trixie or Tootie.💘
The unsung tomboy personality of Trixie being a comic book fan and a gamer outside of her "popular girl" image is what makes her character interesting when she hanged out with Timmy, which it bummed me that it is never brought up again.
I wish they kept that, I also wish they did that character type more often, the popular girl also loving anime comics and video games but also being the prom queen type girl, since in TV shows it’s always the popular girl would never be near a comic book store
The episode where Timmy accidentally wished himself as a girl made me realized that Trixie could have had an interesting personality. A rich popular girl who likes getting into stuff boys like, but then the show never went anywhere with that concept. Then this episode came along, ruined Trixie, and reverted her back to her one-dimensional self.
agreed. i fucking love the idea of "girls' girls" being secret butch tomboys its genuinely perfect. it's why she's so shallow and aggressive. she hates herself and what she has to represent. She would rather have Timmy's life; doing whatever and dealing with others ignoring or hating her she was simply at the right place at the right time and became popular; and has to keep up that facade.
but they ruined it. this whole concept made me become friends with "popular girls" and so many of them have mental illnesses and problems; so many of them live secret lives.
Also makes for fertile ground to go full closet case with her, there's an AU out there that explores that really well, but unfortunately has some serious issues that means I can't recommend it, but hey there are other authors that can do some good work with that idea. Still being a secret nerdy closet and self hating lesbian who meets a more openly tom boy bi girl at camp, who helps her be herself in several ways is such a cool idea, with Timmie in the background learning that being a girl isn't all that easy.
Something about the idea relating to "trixie would rather have Timmy's life" makes me wonder how that scenario would play out...like a genuine life swap (for however the show/episode deems) but then that begs the question of if cosmo and wanda would still follow timmy living trixie's life or with trixie living Timmy's life
Trixie wasn't even that bad in the beginning there were moments of them actually getting along but then she was ruined during the episode with them alone on Earth
Even if it hasn't aged perfectly, "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" still holds a special place in my childhood memories because it was one of the first things that I watched that pointed out how ridiculous it was that what was in our pants should dictate all of our interests. Trixie can be a girly-girl and still like violent comics, and Timmy can still be a typical boy while liking mushy romance. That really spoke to me as a kid.
I loved it too, I was in no way the typical girly girl, I love video games and more actiony media. I hated dress up and was not really allowed make up at that age. I would socialize with the boys in my class more often then the girls. and i loved to play with the cars. I felt almost seen by that episode as it showed me that it was ok to like boy things even if i wasn't a boy and i could STILL like to wear dresses a skirts and cute things. As most tomboy characters are just that one of the guys with no hint of girly interests. I hate how they just never even bring it up.
I 100% percent agree with you. I was around 6-7ish when I saw that episode for the first time and for the first time that I can actually remember I was in a deep thought about what the show was trying to tell me. "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" may have literally shaped how I view certain politics in today's world.
I really wish the writers and Hartman remembered the episode "The Boy who would be Queen." It showed Trixie is secretly a comic book geek with similar interests to Timmy but hides it for her popularity. It gave her depth and boy do I wish they could've gone further with that.
They didn't forget it just wasn't their priority. They weren't going to dedicate their limited time to build up side characters, this isn't the Loud House
I mean given who Hartman is and what he believes in, I am shocked that aspect of her ever existed in the first place, might have meant it as a joke I suppose.
@@DDarkestKnight LIMITED TIME they have multiple seasons with dozens of episodes that follows the exact same formula and immediately resets to the status quo at the end of each epiosde lol limited time... The real reason is because Butch Hartman is a hack who has no brains for character development or changing the status quo even when they added the babies, they then kept the same pattern of no real character development and the status quo every episode Hartman did the same in Tough Puppy where the characters never grow, change or have any development The only reason we got danny and sam from danny phantom was because that was set up early on by the guy who actually made danny phantom what it was and Hartman was forced to follow through with their arc after he took over fully for season 3, which is regarded by fans collectively as the worst season.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Yeah and for more than half of those seasons they kept waiting to see if they were going to get canceled or not. They were focused on entertaining kids, try to create a Crash Nebula spinoff and do some specials. Reverting back to the status quo is what every cartoon comedy was doing then and even now. Again FOP was a comedy first show, it's not the Loud House. Danny Phantom was built to be different show from Fairly Oddparents, even if Steve Marmel leaving was a big hit on the show.
The cynical, mean-spirited humor of the show is a blessing and a curse. When the gags land, they really do land. When they don’t, it painfully reminds you you’re watching a show from the 2000s
...Dude, do you know how many shows have dark humor ? Plenty of the problem isn't that. The problem is flanderization, seasonal rot, and diminishing quality... Let's not start blaming the humor too much
Butch Hartman wrote "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" and yet approved the "Tell me I'm pretty" episode. It's like he had an idea to subvert the usual "mean popular girl" cliché but then abandoned it once he heard a funny joke that destroyed everything he wrote prior.
Knowing the kind of person Hartman is, I would not be surprised if it was a purposeful retcon because he did an "oops! accidental feminism. Can't have that in my god-fearing christianity-approved show".
@@valentinkambushev4968 And Deadpool steals Thanos' girl that cursed him to become temporarily immortal (if I say "temporarily", Purple Grape uncursed Wade because the Merc with a Mouth doesn't know when to shut his mouth).
@@DDarkestKnight I don't know, I mean wishing everyone else on the world just to be alone with a girl sounds worse than Mordecai even if he was extremely cringe.
@@roshrol6469only reason I’d say mordeci is worst is one he was 23 vs Timmy being 10 and the fact mordeci actually had a chance and shot his self in the foot multiple times vs Timmy never truly having a chance that’s what makes mordeci worse cause everyone knew he had a chance and made it awkward for no reason and Timmy is notorious for making selfish wishes
Okay, I'll give Trixie a bit of a pass when Timmy wished for him and her to be THE LAST PEOPLE ON EARTH cause looking back on it.. Yeah, who wouldn't go totally insane when there's no other people to talk to but one other person cause people are very social and taking that away will drive anyone crazy and very clingy to the only other human alive.
And especially for someone like Trixie who is a very extroverted person and is giving near constant attention suddenly being alone with only one other person her reaction actually made a certain amount of sense (if played up a bit for comedic purposes)
I can get that but its the constant need for validation and compliments that ruined her. If she went crazy cuz no one else was there that'd make sense but...she went unhinged in a way that harmfully deconstructed what little character she had.
@@tigerfalcoI think it fits. When your self worth is tied by your looks and status and not for who you are, you tend to try and cling on to that sense of identity that makes you feel worthy. I don’t that that contradicts Trixie’s other traits. Just an added layer of insecurity.
@@matthewtartt9422 AS much as I don't like the episode, I think it did do a lot for Trixie's character as the "popular girl" trope. She was used to always being validated and adored by people around her. When no one was around to fill that need, she clung to the only remaining person who could sate her need. And naturally, one person can't satisfy a need like that on their own, so Trixie would've been starved for that attention. More of a failing on her part than anything, but it was written very weirdly by a weird man
The WILD thing about all of this, is that Trixie wasn’t even THAT bad of a love interest?? (At least not at first) The problem was Hartman never really explored Trixie’s tomboy side post-Boy Would Be Queen, and basically never used it ever again. Which is a shame, cause the initial lesson of “Girls can like boys stuff just as much” is perfect for Trixie’s character development for a redemption arc. It is not until watching the rise of Devzel as a ship that made me realize….. holy shit, Trixie deserved SO MUCH more!!
what's really sad is that even ignoring that they jsut removed any good traits she did show to make her just a vain, selfish asshole when she could've been at least likable even if she didn't remain a tomboy but that wouldn't be 'funny', would it?
Boy Who Would Be Queen is one of my favorite episodes, growing up with this show. It cut through the "standards" of the time period when it aired and made kids like me realize that gender definitions were BS social constructs. Who doesn't love to Rip & Tear from time to time? Who doesn't love an emotional love plot coming to a climatic head in the story?
It's crazy to think about how Trixie could have gotten character development like Pacifica or Amity if FOP had allowed us characters to grow. Just because a show is a comedy doesn't mean that they can't grow as characters. Just look at Bob's Burgers or Big City Greens. If we get a season 2 of A New Wish I hope they fix her
Yeah, they could have just given the characters more roles within the off-hand things they liked, in order to keep the comedy and the continuity. They could have just had an episode about some sort of humor, around Trixie's awkwardness at the comic store.
Also, Phineas and Ferb. Sure, it was formulaic as hell, but there was a good sense of progressing, like with Bulford growing more from his bullying as the episodes go by. And let's not forget Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry's bromance!
That's the point. She could have had fairies, but she didn't know when to keep quiet. Timmy's a lot of things, but he has enough sense to keep his mouth shut.
The episode where Timmy turned into a girl was the *perfect* moment to develop Trixie from that point forward. She could've learned to gradually become more comfortable expressing her interests while also showing her and Timmy actually connecting with each other as himself. Heck, there could even be a point where Timmy has so much fun spending time with her, he forgets about trying to woo her, and that's when she starts returning her feelings. Then she could finally put her desire to be popular for the sake of her image behind and accept herself, no matter who's watching. These two had so much potential, but the show dropped the ball.
@@pedanticat9479Please don't remind me about Valerie. They wasted a great character with a fantastic voice actress. How do you waste a character voiced by *Cree Summers?!* 😮💨
Then again FoP is an episodic series meant for young audiences and is a Butch Hartman cartoon show at the end of the day so changing the status quo changing a character for the better is a tall order
The episode about Trixie liking comics was one i really liked as a kid, is a shame that side of her was never brought up again. Even today we have people that believe in this weird divide between boys and girls in media, even if is not as bad as it was in the 2007. I would dare to say that a lot of little girls back then also liked media marketed towards to boys, i was one of them. Liking things like Winx Club, Powerpuff Girls, Barbie and Angelina Balerina doesn't stop you from also liking Ben 10, Generator Rex, Jake Long and Batman: The brave and the Bold. Also, we never saw Timmy liking soap operas outside this episode, feels like it was added for the plot, just like Trixie liking comics. Edit: Also, can't now that i mentioned Jake Long, i would love to hear Sarcastic Chorus talking about Jake x Rose, because Rose is AMAZING and that ship was one of my first experienses with shiping angst a kid.
It makes me wonder how they could have wrote Trixie, considering there are women who like Mortal Kombat and Dragonball Z, unironically yet are feminine people even though it was marketed towards boys.
I do hope we see Trixie in A New Wish season 2, there’s plenty of ways to reintroduce her in a positive way. With today's nerd culture being so much more accepting, Trixie could be even more popular than before all because she can share her interest in comic books more openly. If they show that Timmy and Trixie got together, I can see it happening if they took that route for her character.
Why not do the anime way like the popular girl choose the unpopular one/dude i would love it to see because with youtube these days some popular people are down to earth
Technically SpongeBob and Sandy might be together but it's just hints. But this is why I like how Hanna Barbera paired Shaggy and Daphne together (confirmed by Tom Ruegger) in the mid 80's as there were no forced childish romance between them like with Fred and Daphne or Shaggy and Velma in a hand full of 21st century Scooby-Doo.
@@youdontknowsponge6218 Holy, wait a second, what? I will admit to not knowing the "people behind the curtain" (which is what I assume this Tom R. guy is), but Daphne and Shaggy? Seriously? "Where Are You?" is just typical, Fred and Daphne are sort of together, Shaggy and Velma dance together. Not really a relationship focused show, but its whatever. Then, during the "Scooby Doo Show" it's similar, same format. I know then they do pull out Fred and Daphne in "13 Ghosts" and some of the 80s ones with Scrappy, but even then, it never plays into any romance. If anything Shaggy still plays Shaggy, and Daphne instead plays a female Fred/Daphne (with Flimflam taking a bit of Fred/Velma). I guess I'm just amazed that that was ever put forth as a thing, it is out of left field from what I've seen. I also know movies aren't cannon, but he did have a girlfriend in "Reluctant Werewolf" lol. So we know he might like blondes.
@@Ander0072originalv2 To catch you up the Shaggy/Daphne era but no Fred/Velma lasted between 1983 to 85. The first series were The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show later re-titled The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries (only changed titles because they wanted Scrappy's name out of the title) but both seasons were the same show while the second series of this era was 13 Ghosts.
@@michaelstrong5383 and the most important part is Pacifica doesn’t reset to the status quo the writers actually keep her development she went from a snotty cliche antagonist to being a nuanced character and potential love ship with Dipper
It helps that she got her *first* steps to proper growth in the golf episode, *then* Northwest Manor shifted her properly into a new status quo. Shame the finale *sort of* backtracked her and sidelined her growth, but eh. Can't have everything.
11:37 “The show was made in 2007” The show came out in 2001, and this episode came out in 2002. Not saying this detracts from what you were saying as a whole, I just couldn’t help but immediately catch this.
6:42 Since you brought up Kim Possible x Ron as the exception to the early slowburn romance, I wonder if you could do an analysis video on their relationship and how it was handled. Especially since I’m a huge Kim Possible fan
Kim and Ron had an adorable friendship & you could always see the romantic potential, but they waited till the right moment to finally commit. One of my favorite shows as a kid; Kim was relatable to a preteen & teenage me
my headcanon is that since Timmy has wished to be a kid forever, she never had the brain power to mature out of this shitty clout chasing attitude and tbf if the only man she saw was Timmy and others just poof away, she would go crazy because all the supressing she did to fit in suddenly didnt mean anything as people she tried to be fake for poofed
Trixy is like the Veronica Vreeland (from BTAS) of Fairly Odd Parents, she’s a rich mean girl with a lot of potential for character growth but isn’t fully focused on enough for writers to give us that character growth, the difference is that Veronica is actually a good character and isn’t annoying or blend (in my opinion)
I think they could have deconstructed Trixie a bit more, like how they did Chester, Remmy and Crocker, to know more about her family. She is likely also neglected but compensated with a lot of gifts, to explain her personality where she cares more about her image, and attention.
I feel like a lack of serialization shouldn't be a reason a show should side line characters. They could've pivoted Trixie and Tooty to something else like, this is the problem with butches shows but he doesn't know how to write or deal with female characters. To him they are what men are not, or they are made for men and I hate that. Tooty could've been Timmys new friend and maybe she even joins the group of boys, or she could just be his other friend separate from that and they become besties. Same could go for Trixie except maybe she leaves they popular kids or is friends with him in secret, like omg they could've made plenty of gags about her and her potential male personas interacting with everyone while she's trying to hangout with Timmy. Or if they didn't want these characters anymore just right them out, don't beat a dead horse lmao! Also you know how they have that dumb plot about a fairy shortage, literally they could've used Tooty and not create Chloe!!! So much wasted potentially but that's what you get with a butch cartoon.
Real talk, I actually always shipped Timmy with Veronica more than either Tootie or Trixie. And I still wish (ha!) both Trixie and Veronica could’ve been more fleshed out as the show went on. Personally, most of the school kids could’ve been interesting if they focused on them. It feels like they wanted us to hate them, especially Veronica and justify Timmy not being interested in her. Especially when she seems to get frequently bullied by her own peers. I know fans love Tootie more and I get the appeal and I would’ve been interested in how that relationship developed if it was at least natural. But if you’ve seen Timmy and Tootie’s relationship, you’ve seen every relationship where one of them is a nerdy and clingy stalker. Timmy never reciprocated Tootie’s feelings unless there’s a couple scenes excluding the live action movies I don’t remember but it feels like the show is telling Timmy that he owes her his love just because she likes him unlike Trixie and has a shitty home life with Vicky. It’s the cliche “hero getting with the homely girl who he actually gets along with vs the pretty girl who he only likes for her looks”. But The Boy Who Would Be Queen establishes that Trixie was basically forced into traditional femininity (even if that’s based on the whole “not like other girls” trope) that she had more depth to her than what Timmy saw. In FOP’s case especially, it feels like they’re telling Timmy to give up on his dreams of being with Trixie because she’s too shallow or just not interested (which wasn’t the case in other episodes) and that he should settle for Tootie. It’s so mean spirited and cynical to say in a kids show which was always one of the show’s biggest problems. And it’s super weird they pushed that so much that they have kids in the future and it’s why I don’t love Channel Chasers as much as everyone else does. Elmer’s other show, Danny Phantom, had the same exact set up almost bar for bar but worse with Paulina not getting ANY real depth and Sam being unlikable in her own right and not telling Danny how she feels even after she loses him to someone else. Valerie should’ve been Danny’s endgame and I still stand by it. Comparing her to Tootie, Veronica admittedly isn’t much better with Trixie as demonstrated by the internet episode, but it’s because she wants her life. The popularity, the respect and Timmy to have a crush on her. I would’ve wanted to see an episode where she stood up to Trixie, Tad and Chad with Trixie admitting her mistakes and apologizing and maybe both eventually become a part of Timmy’s friend group. And I could see either of them becoming Timmy’s endgame love interest. I just think it’s more compelling for an average kid who no one understands to bond with a popular girl who isn’t as popular as she would’ve wanted to be and isn’t treated much better than how the rich kids treat him. At least Braceface and As Told By Ginger did something similar to this.
Butch Hartman is a gimmick writer, who has no brains for character development or changing the status quo All of his shows have this issue, where there is little character development, interesting nuances to characters are dropped the moment not convenient for the episode/writing and where the status quo is recycled every-time because Butch can’t work outside the formula. even when they added the babies to the show, they then kept the same pattern of no real character development and the status quo every episode Hartman did the same in Tough Puppy where the characters never grow, change or have any development which is why that show didn’t last very long The only reason we got danny and sam from danny phantom was because that was set up early on by the writer (not hartman) who actually made danny phantom what it was and Hartman was forced to follow through with their arc after he took over fully for season 3, which is regarded by fans collectively as the worst season.
The problem for me, is that the show went on for so long but it refused to focus on the established characters it had. It did eventually for Timmy's Dad and Crocker but only because they were considered the funny characters. They never bothered to give an episode to Trixie, AJ, Sanjay or Elmer about themselves. The only episode that focused on the other characters, was the one that showed what happened when Timmy wished himself to be popular, from the side of AJ and Chester'
@@AJ-xc4qe I honestly don't think Timmy needed to be with Trixie. He was only into her because she was popular and the gag was about him being rejected by her over and over because there was no way Trixie would have liked him, as himself. She just wanted a female friend who was into the more male marketed things she was interested in.
@@GeteMachine Another great concept would be a subversion of Timmy and Trixie’s relationship by making her not reciprocate Timmy’s feelings and instead become another one of his BFFs who’s also interested in all the male marketed stuff and Veronica becoming his endgame.
@@spectre9340 unfortunately I never caught Powerpuff girls when it was on, and Kim possible, God it's so dumb but as a kid I hated the naked mole rat. So while my brothers watched it, I didn't bc that lil guy grossed me out lol. Now I think he's cute but yeah definitely missed out on a pretty cool show.
@@theboiyouddate5722 you manage to watch the whole "I'm poor and don't have cable" broadcast? Tokyo Mew Mew, DoReMi, etc.? I can at least admit to watching the latter. Love the JP theme song too. You should watch the 20+ anniversary thing where they remade the OP with them as adults.
That's one weakness "FOP A new wish" managed to fixed. Girl characters actually feel like characters now, considering that the current protagonist is a girl. A rare moment where a sequel series fixed a flaw from the original.
In the first season (or second, IDR) Vicky was protective of Tootie and wanted her to be happy during her birthday episode. I only noticed when I rewatched the show. Character consistency was its major flaw.
Considering when Timmy gave Tootie his fairy godparents, she nearly revealed their existence to the world, its entirely possible she had fairies at some point, but they were taken away when she revealed their existence
I wonder if Trixie Will return in a New wish although if she did she’d likely be recast seeing how her original voice actress(Dionne Quan) has retired from acting
@@owenwilson2869I could be wrong but I heard that shes going to play an older version of Toph in a new avatar the last airbender animated movie by the original creators of the show.
Perfect excuse to have Trixie be a trans guy in ANW. Doubt Butch would allow it, but we can dream, especially considering Winn’s real. But if she’s really out of retirement, I would definitely not mind her being back in the role if she wanted it.
Did anybody else get weirded out by how much taller Trixie was than Timmy? Like Timmy feels like he's supposed to be like 10 or 11, and the height difference plus her behaviour makes her seem like she's 15 or 16. Which makes every scene where Trixie throws Timmy a bone feel weirder.
Nah, I usually register development levels and sniff out if a person consents at a level appropriate to their age. NOT that girls have their growth spurt some years before boys. On which occasion you'll promptly start cat calling them when they reach the Height of Consent, or what? How about instead of "weeeeeird" you talk topics like an adult would? By the way 18 is when your DEADLINE to figure it out hits. Not the age where you start trying, so you can barely figure out consent at age 23.
no. girls grow earlier than boys, it's normal. she looks like a ten year old girl and he looks like a ten year old boy. If anything, this is a nice detail to have.
The only explanation I read on tvtropes, was just that girls have growth-spirts earlier than boys do, so thus why Trixie and Veronica are so much taller than the boy characters at 11.
Trixie started off as this rich girl that no boy can get unless they're loaded and Timmy Turner is an average boy with bad luck with life. Trixie being a tomboy added depth to her character and she has to hide it from her friends because she's afraid to show her true self but that is all ruined with the episode with Timmy wishing to be alone with her and she regressed to a attention speaking person that wants validation from everyone. She never recovered and the show dipped in quality. As for quilty pleasures, your's is Winx Club yeah? I'm with you on that. Matter of fact, my guilty pleasures are magical girls shows. Winx Club, Mew Mew Power, W.i.t.c.h, Sailor Moon you name it and I watch a lot of Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, Naruto, Jojo's Bizarre Adventures, Avatar The Last Airbender and Yu-Gi-Oh.
24:07 Maybe they should have shown how fairy parent assignment worked so maybe Tootie just didn’t have a fairy due to nobody being competent enough to handle her cuz she basically needed a magical therapist & those are super specialized fairies that are super rare. & then they just said “fuck it” & had Timmy share his. But that’s what would’ve happened if I wrote the show.
Yeah, Timmy's options were a mean girl who couldn't pull her head out of her ass enough to see Timmy for who he was and actually build a relationship with him that she could have if she got off her high horse, and an obsessed stalker who couldn't care less that she was making Timmy uncomfortable. Lose-lose. Which really just goes back to the original premise of the show: Timmy has been screwed by life.
I'm pretty sure the reason Tootie didn't realize she was making Timmy uncomfortable was because she is an eight year old girl, not because she is an obsessed stalker.
@@toonberculosis9574... You can be an obsessed stalker no matter the age... Timmy literally wished for him and Trixie to be the only two people on Earth. He was 10.
While Trixie should have more character depth. I never saw her and Timmy as a thing because (especially when you involve Tootie into the mix) it's Shallow on every end. Timmy doesnt like Trixie in any meaningful way and more so likes the idea of Trixie, Trixie herself makes Timmy have to proof himself just to earn her acknowledgement constantly, and Tootie is chasing (someone who doesnt care for her) Timmy who is in turn giving her an equal level of shallowness that Trixie gives him. Unlike characters Finn or Ben 10 it's more than Timmy that is the problem here.
Yeah unfortunately the episodic nature meant I never saw the episodes in order. I thought she was crazy from the “tell me I’m pretty” long before I saw the “tomboy Trixie” episode. And by then I was on Trudies side.
Season 6-7 was the last time we got Trixie, AJ & Chester and Francis focused episodes, Season 8 kinda doesnt count since it was only "Series Finale" Specials... Season 9 was when it all started to go downhill, basically AJ only has a single speaking line before turning into a background character, and the entire show soft reboots itself to only feature Timmy's Dad, Crocker, Foop and Catman in almost every episode.
There's nothing wrong with a spoiled rich girl, in some shows they're the best characters. And didn't Tootie get development in the live action movies where she went from crazy girl to... normal girl (I didn't watch the movies I'm pretty sure that's what happened)
You're being close-minded. Tootie is a trope just like how Trixie was. Nerdy girl obsessed with the MC in a concerning and creepy way. Personally, I never shipped Timmy with Trixie because I assumed it was just gonna be a one-sided crush. And while I shipped Tootie and Timmy, I also felt like that was just gonna be a one-sided crush until they got older. We didn't necessarily need to see them get together as 10-year-olds
@@spectre9340 A small part of my brain hoped the rich girl wouldn't just end up being a shitty person who Timmy shouldn't continue to have feelings for but alas.
"The Boy who would be Queen", should've been THE Episode, where at the End, Trixie would show being envious & a little interested at Timmy for speaking his mind up and not being afraid of admitting the things that he likes. This Moment would give her more depth to her Character. She would be very Jealous of him & secretly looks up to him, because he's being True to himself. All the weird & wacky things that she sees Timmy doing, would amuse her & probably develop a bit of a Crush to him, before realizing that she must return to her "Popular" persona, to maintain her Image. This would be an Interesting Plot point for her, as she would now be struggling of wanting to be her true self, but is trapped in her Status as being "The Popular Girl" . She thinks that if she reveals what she really likes, then all of her Image that she tries to keep for so long would come crashing down...and that really terrifies her
THIS! This is why I think about Trixie so much. This conflict of being envious of someone you’re not even supposed to notice. It’s got to be such an isolating experience. It’s the tiresome anxiety inducing situation of having everything to lose and something to hide, the panopticon of the closet. If I could slightly edit the end of TBWWBQ, I’d have Timmy get her a magazine with a comic snuck inside it (signed with his name and Timmantha’s) along with his speech and her having that initial interest and appreciation, and getting his name right even if she has to go back to being mean to not let anyone get any ideas. I would have loved an episode of her somehow getting access to magic and wishing to be him for a day, just to have the pressure off and it messing up his day. Also her boy disguise being a recurring plot point where she meets up with Timmy as peers and neither acknowledges that they recognize each other from the episode that introduced the idea. The fact that they recognize each other just hangs over all their interactions, but it doesn’t matter because there in the comic shop, they’re peers. It just makes me so excited and soft thinking about them finding community by being there for each other. Even if they might want romance out of it, the fact they can be friends is good enough.
This is a joke, but that one episode (It’s a Wishful Life) makes me suspect the show agrees, at least for our Timmy. And even the episodes pushing for Tootie to be his love interest are demanding he settle for someone who likes him that he doesn’t like. I do actually think Tootie could work as a satisfying endgame for him, but it’s just cynical and cruel the way it’s written now.
Its Peter and MJ. Like Marvel Editors don’t want them together. I don’t mean back at the start of Zeb Welles run, or back in the post OMD storyline, or even back in the Roger Stern era. No, as far back as Mary Jane’s debut when she was just an off panel mentioned character. Yeah I don’t think Stan Lee ever intended for Peter to be with her.
@@BigK13372 Makes sense. ATTACK ON TITAN SPOILERS BELOW . . . . At least Eren and Mikasa have cabin sex in Paths, then a decapitated head kiss. And then there's the music video of Eren and Mikasa finally together in the afterlife, while Armin is all alone in hell!
Mordecai and Margaret. Mordecai only went on "dates" with Margaret when it was part of some dare. He gets upset at Margaret's boyfriends but at least they had the stones to ask her out. Mordecai really gives guys a mirror when it comes to Margaret. He's awkward and obsessive to a scary degree. The episode where he drove to another town to drop off Margaret's sweater really nails that point home. Margaret even calls Mordecai out on his awkwardness; every time she gives him a chance he always drops the bag.
23:17 That's what it's always been tho since the day it aired. It's never meant to make the character more complex in my opinion. Tomboy Trixie mainly was there to make Timmy look like a fool for not approaching Trixie as a person beforehand. Timmy doesn't really learn that lesson either he just says what Trixie wants to hear to win her affection (and gets kicked out of the party for it). Timmy always sees Trixie as an object so that's the perspective we see fittingly.
The thing about dating is, even with magical powers and wishes if the person you love doesn't naturally love you back for real from the heart you'll never truly be confident in the relationship or that person and go mad when the thing that made them like you goes away.
You know I just thought of “Chloe’s soul purpose of existing is that because since Timmy has 2 fair god parents, he has to share” (which is obviously stupid) Why not give Sparky to her?? Like deadass, he was useless to the plot anyway. Also if Timmy was gonna have to share his fairies, why couldn’t it have been with Tootie?? This obviously makes more sense because A) she’s someone we already know and are familiar with and B)… it just makes sense.
I think they should have done this too! Tootie was getting a big push around the time of the live aciton movie... but the cartoon itself abandoned her, refused to evolve her... I don't really get it. Did execs stop Butch? If they promoted Tootie to a co-main character, toned down the Timmy crush to what it is in Channel Chasers/FOP live movies, and they could have introduced Chloe as a friend of hers, basically her own version of Chester, if they really absolutely needed the new face, I think that would have really gotten fans interested again. Stuff like Poof = Peri shows that sometimes tweaks can be made for the better, but the show under Butch was too afraid to make any truly character changing decisions and as a result the show has aged poorly in some aspects.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 Veronica was Trixie's best friend. The blonde. She had a huge crush on Timmy similar to Tootie but she wasn't a stalker and never reveals those feelings to him as far as I remember.
Honestly the blonde girl next to trixie is better in comparison Another thing is grey delise basically voices almost like 2 or 3 of the most popular timmy ships
Penny from amazing world of gumball is basically what i wish they did with Trixie. Not only do their relationships goes somewhere,but Penny actually becomes a three-dimensional character. Seems to me they're already learning.
Shotouts to Trixie's "Best" """friend""" Veronica, whose characterization early on was that she was pining for Timmy as hard as Tootie, she held deep jealousy and resentment towards Trixie, and that she was the overall "Loser" popular girl of the group, eternally living in Trixie's shadow. And then the show completely forgot about those aspects as well.
"Give a character depth only to take it away from her, you're probably better off not trying in the first place." Is exactly how i feel about Chloe Bourgeois
I am very curious how A New Wish would tackle an older Tootie the curiosity of the type of person she'd grow up to be is insane they can take that character into many different directions
Tootie's character design also sets her up as the real equal to Timmy. It was always strange on a design level how Trixie was so much taller than Timmy. It sets the characters apart. Timmy is the same vertical size as his fairies, Cosmo and Wanda, despite the fact that theyre adults. He is also the same size as his two friends, Chester and AJ. This vertical design is one way Butch Hartman sets characters apart from one another. He is never close to his parents or Vicky, both of whom tower over him. But he IS close to every character who is the same size as him. Butch Hartman does this in Danny Phantom too. So to me its immediately obvious Trixie Tang was never meant to be a close character to Timmy Turner.
The "secret tomboy" thing could have gone so cool! What if, if everyone accepted her, she could have also been more open to others and at least more often friendly to Timmy and his friends or other kids or what if her "popular friends" rejected her and Timmy's group would ahave welcomed her, to the point where she because a full-fletched member of them and transformed to just a friend instead of crush, and not just a friend to Timmy but also to the other boys
"Everyone knows that comedy is the lowest form of entertainment, next to animation." 😑🙄 Me: Everyone knows being popular in school is one of the lowest levels to the side world, cause it's a nothing burger. :D
21:58 Yeah, but I think you forgot that there's a reason Tootie CAN'T EVER HAVE FAIRY GODPARENTS. Yeah, she technically deserves them, but the episode you mentioned with Timmy loaning his Godparents to her, Tootie immediately goes around trying to share and expose to the whole world about them. In other words, Tootie can't keep a freaking secret lol.
Same. Tbh I kinda wished they would’ve done something like they do go on a couple dates, only to realize they’re not compatible as a couple because they have different interests or just aren’t invested enough in a relationship. Whoever says Tootie was the better love interest clearly doesn’t understand the disgusting vibes of making a stalker end up with their crush. She never actually realizes how uncomfortable she made Timmy and tried multiple times into him kissing her. Just because she has Vickie for a sister isn’t an excuse for her to win her man. It treats Timmy as a prize or comfort blanket instead of someone she actually cares about and can relate to. Trixie could’ve been so much more than the typical popular girl, considering how many popular kids actually are unhappy or have insecurities and force themselves into these friendships. Like with Disney romances, they’ve never actually had a relationship where the girl and guy didn’t end up together simply because they were better off being friends. Closest we got was Giselle and Edward, but even then they barely knew each other. The only other couple was Pocahontas and John Smith as she chose Rolfe in the sequel (unfortunately) and they tried making it look like they didn’t feel the same way anymore and had very different dreams and aspirations that couldn’t make each other happy. Only problem is how much of an a**hole Smith is in the sequel, completely ruining his character to make Rolfe the more mature one who actually cared about Pocahontas and her people’s wellbeing. But ultimately even if Trixie was never planned to actually end up with Timmy, at least make them friends and maybe Timmy comes to find a better woman for him as a romantic partner.
10:09 Mine were Winx Club, Zoobles, & Steven Univverse (last of which helped me get in touch with my femininity). Beforehand the closest I got to wearing pink was coral/salmon pink & the closest I got to presenting femininely was my Minecraft creeper girl skin which looked like Alice from Bakugan. Was also into mlp reviews but not the series, & it could have been the self acceptance gateway if I didn’t get into SU instead.
20:55. I think that would work better for Mary Sue Dupain-Cheng, as she is the real bully of the show. She got worse and worse each season. Poor Chat Noir.
Trixie was legit one of my fav characters early on. Spoiled and Ms. Popular, but with some actual layers to her and a good chemistry with Timmy. I will never forgive the show for how they torpedoed her.
That pretty much nailed it on the head. Started with interesting concepts. Trixie dealing with her fame and not wanting to suffer the backlash of her secrets getting out as she would have genuinely like Timmy and didn't because he wasn't popular... Or Trixie - stalker who did care about Timmy and then did go beyond being the creepy stalker who wanted him without any regards for Timmy's own affection or feelings. To then get dropped down to... Their worst aspects. It's half the reason why some Chloe ships were made... She was slightly better than the other two and stuck in a main character slot she might progress and become tolerable rather than degrade and become more horrible. Not a ship made due to people liking her over the other two... But in the blind hope she wouldn't become worse like the others. Probably half the reason why the reboot didn't show adult Timmy. The other half being which ending (animation, live action, their own version) they end up picking
I just wish they have made Trixie and Timmy friends. Like they're kids, we don't need a relationship from ten year olds, but seeing them as actual friends like AJ and Chester, not quite as big of a friendship, but something along the lines of her just having an actual character, would have done wonders for her.
Well, Timmy also had Veronica that liked him. He just didn't get with her because their one-sided crush came off as more of poking fun at Veronica's insecurities of wanting to be Trixie and her being the "crazy one" as Timmy put it. I wish Veronica was treated more as a character than an insultingly tsundere, clingy "best friend to the popular girl/love interest" cliche.
That episode terrified me... 1) Kidnapping/isolation/Beauty and the Beast 2) she's like 10-13 years old. EVERYONE was gone. Including her parents. 3) she's stuck with "some random boy". I don't think she remembers any "good memories" with Timmy. Like forgets because of magic, or poor facial recognition.
10:57 no scrap. I found out my girlfriend's sister and her are transformers fans well it was in our early years and I'm not ashamed what anyone says and not need to be a dudette just myself.
For me she wasn't "ruined" or "wasted" because there was nothing to ruin in the first place since she was always just a plot device for whatever the episode's gimmick was. She just happened to have one good episode where she is used to teach Timmy a lesson and so she was given an extra bit of complexity for the episode's premise to work.
I never cared about Trixie, and the show spend most of it's time telling us that she wasn't that big of a deal, like, you just have a couple of episodes to cling to her. She was always meant to be the token "will never be" crush.
The weirdest thing that I never noticed until now was that Trixies female friend had black pupils and everyone who’s not a fairy doesn’t so did Trixie always had a fairy with her too?
I feel like around season 5, they were starting to have Timmy get over Trixie, and he was starting to do more nice things for Tootie (like loan her his fairies and show up at her pageant), but then season 6 came along and rolled back everything just so Timmy could have his kiss with Trixie in Wishology which sort of came out of nowhere, while they did away with Tootie being Vicky's sister and just amplified her annoying traits. That's one of the bigger disappointments of the Poof era that doesn't really get talked about as much.
You pretty much articulated the issue I had with the episode where Timmy wishes everyone away. The writers had a moment to cash in on all the subtle development they had with trixie: by letting us actually see what their relationship would be like without all the external expectations trixie feels she is held to on a day to day basis. Instead they switch to a baby brain gag about “tell me I’m pretty” (that in hindsight was pretty misogynistic). I can see though why the show creators never realistically could have Timmy be with trixie though. This hypothesis is heavily speculative and it assumes the writers were actually committed to writing a good show which is contradictory to what we know about the show creator. Basically, the show never really set up why Timmy got fairies while other kids didn’t (e.g tootie and Chester). For Chester they somewhat touch on that despite everything, he is happy (building up that it’s not your circumstances but your outlook on those circumstances that affect whether you have fairies). For tootie one reason she might not have fairies is because of Timmy (think of it like a hinata circumstance with naruto). The problem with Timmy is that it’s the compilation of his circumstances that affect his outlook (and so make him eligible for fairies). If Timmy were to get trixie, it’s reasonable to say his outlook would change and he might not be miserable enough to be eligible for fairies.
Ah, the killer of all character development: the status quo. Doesn't matter what lesson was learned or who learned it, eventually everything gets reset.
Who should Timmy have ended up with?
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Also yes I know this isn’t murder drones. Will talk about it later!
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@@SarcasticChorus Real talk, I actually always shipped Timmy with Veronica more than either Tootie or Trixie. And I still wish (ha!) both Trixie and Veronica could’ve been more fleshed out as the show went on. Personally, most of the school kids could’ve been interesting if they focused on them.
It feels like they wanted us to hate them, especially Veronica and justify Timmy not being interested in her. Especially when she seems to get frequently bullied by her own peers.
I know fans love Tootie more and I get the appeal and I would’ve been interested in how that relationship developed if it was at least natural. But if you’ve seen Timmy and Tootie’s relationship, you’ve seen every relationship where one of them is a nerdy and clingy stalker. Timmy never reciprocated Tootie’s feelings unless there’s a couple scenes excluding the live action movies I don’t remember but it feels like the show is telling Timmy that he owes her his love just because she likes him unlike Trixie and has a shitty home life with Vicky.
It’s the cliche “hero getting with the homely girl who he actually gets along with vs the pretty girl who he only likes for her looks”. But The Boy Who Would Be Queen establishes that Trixie was basically forced into traditional femininity (even if that’s based on the whole “not like other girls” trope) that she had more depth to her than what Timmy saw.
In FOP’s case especially, it feels like they’re telling Timmy to give up on his dreams of being with Trixie because she’s too shallow or just not interested (which wasn’t the case in other episodes) and that he should settle for Tootie. It’s so mean spirited and cynical to say in a kids show which was always one of the show’s biggest problems. And it’s super weird they pushed that so much that they imply they have kids in the future and it’s why I don’t love Channel Chasers as much as everyone else does.
Elmer’s other show, Danny Phantom, had the same exact set up almost bar for bar but worse with Paulina not getting ANY real depth and Sam being unlikable in her own right and not telling Danny how she feels even after she loses him to someone else. Valerie should’ve been Danny’s endgame and I still stand by it.
Comparing her to Tootie, Veronica admittedly isn’t much better with Trixie as demonstrated by the internet episode, but it’s because she wants her life. The popularity, the respect and Timmy to have a crush on her.
I would’ve wanted to see an episode where she stood up to Trixie, Tad and Chad with Trixie admitting her mistakes and apologizing and maybe both eventually becoming a part of Timmy’s friend group. And I'd be down with either of them becoming Timmy’s endgame love interest. With Veronica tho, I just think it’s more compelling for an average kid who no one understands to bond with a popular girl who isn’t as popular as she would’ve wanted to be and isn’t treated much better than how the rich kids treat him. At least Braceface and As Told By Ginger did something similar to this.
Talk about other ship like lincoln x lynn jr what you think these two couple fandom really love to ship them please give me your opinion please
As much as I want to see Timmy and Trixie together in the show, maybe they should give Tootie a chance to be with Timmy if she's not being a creepy stalker especially in Season 6 and Season 7. But I do feel bad for Tootie especially when she deals with Vicky everyday since they are sisters. So I ship Timmy with either Trixie or Tootie.💘
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 man they never did timmy x cloye
The unsung tomboy personality of Trixie being a comic book fan and a gamer outside of her "popular girl" image is what makes her character interesting when she hanged out with Timmy, which it bummed me that it is never brought up again.
It’s crazy how many comment sections I’ve seen you in
I wish they kept that, I also wish they did that character type more often, the popular girl also loving anime comics and video games but also being the prom queen type girl, since in TV shows it’s always the popular girl would never be near a comic book store
@@gooeydude574They're probably Justin Y junior
@@LCBK I agree.
EXCELLENT WORK. SARCASTIC CHORUS TIMMY X TRIXIE
The episode where Timmy accidentally wished himself as a girl made me realized that Trixie could have had an interesting personality. A rich popular girl who likes getting into stuff boys like, but then the show never went anywhere with that concept.
Then this episode came along, ruined Trixie, and reverted her back to her one-dimensional self.
agreed. i fucking love the idea of "girls' girls" being secret butch tomboys
its genuinely perfect. it's why she's so shallow and aggressive. she hates herself and what she has to represent.
She would rather have Timmy's life; doing whatever and dealing with others ignoring or hating her
she was simply at the right place at the right time and became popular; and has to keep up that facade.
but they ruined it.
this whole concept made me become friends with "popular girls" and so many of them have mental illnesses and problems; so many of them live secret lives.
Also makes for fertile ground to go full closet case with her, there's an AU out there that explores that really well, but unfortunately has some serious issues that means I can't recommend it, but hey there are other authors that can do some good work with that idea. Still being a secret nerdy closet and self hating lesbian who meets a more openly tom boy bi girl at camp, who helps her be herself in several ways is such a cool idea, with Timmie in the background learning that being a girl isn't all that easy.
Something about the idea relating to "trixie would rather have Timmy's life" makes me wonder how that scenario would play out...like a genuine life swap (for however the show/episode deems) but then that begs the question of if cosmo and wanda would still follow timmy living trixie's life or with trixie living Timmy's life
Nickelodeon. Ruining characters one episode at a time.
Trixie wasn't even that bad in the beginning there were moments of them actually getting along but then she was ruined during the episode with them alone on Earth
That episode ruin her rep and made me favor Vik little sister more
That's the case with every character in this show. They start ok, but by the end ,they are caricatures of themselves.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Good point. Flanderization is a living plaque in writing nowadays.
@@toadlord8594 as a Sonic fan: Tell me about it.
Which was one of the worst Timmy ever did. I can't imagine the therapy she'd have to go through if she remembered 😂
Even if it hasn't aged perfectly, "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" still holds a special place in my childhood memories because it was one of the first things that I watched that pointed out how ridiculous it was that what was in our pants should dictate all of our interests. Trixie can be a girly-girl and still like violent comics, and Timmy can still be a typical boy while liking mushy romance. That really spoke to me as a kid.
which is why the shows writers and creators being not able to carry or follow through with that
is an epic failure...
I loved it too, I was in no way the typical girly girl, I love video games and more actiony media. I hated dress up and was not really allowed make up at that age. I would socialize with the boys in my class more often then the girls. and i loved to play with the cars. I felt almost seen by that episode as it showed me that it was ok to like boy things even if i wasn't a boy and i could STILL like to wear dresses a skirts and cute things. As most tomboy characters are just that one of the guys with no hint of girly interests. I hate how they just never even bring it up.
@@flowercrown-eevee Yeah, there's no "correct" way to be a boy or a girl. We just pretend like there is.
I 100% percent agree with you. I was around 6-7ish when I saw that episode for the first time and for the first time that I can actually remember I was in a deep thought about what the show was trying to tell me. "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" may have literally shaped how I view certain politics in today's world.
It aged like fine wine😂
I really wish the writers and Hartman remembered the episode "The Boy who would be Queen." It showed Trixie is secretly a comic book geek with similar interests to Timmy but hides it for her popularity. It gave her depth and boy do I wish they could've gone further with that.
They didn't forget it just wasn't their priority. They weren't going to dedicate their limited time to build up side characters, this isn't the Loud House
I mean given who Hartman is and what he believes in, I am shocked that aspect of her ever existed in the first place, might have meant it as a joke I suppose.
@@DDarkestKnight LIMITED TIME
they have multiple seasons with dozens of episodes that follows the exact same formula and immediately resets to the status quo at the end of each epiosde
lol limited time...
The real reason is because Butch Hartman is a hack who has no brains for character development or changing the status quo
even when they added the babies, they then kept the same pattern of no real character development and the status quo every episode
Hartman did the same in Tough Puppy where the characters never grow, change or have any development
The only reason we got danny and sam from danny phantom was because that was set up early on by the guy who actually made danny phantom what it was
and Hartman was forced to follow through with their arc after he took over fully for season 3, which is regarded by fans collectively as the worst season.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Yeah and for more than half of those seasons they kept waiting to see if they were going to get canceled or not. They were focused on entertaining kids, try to create a Crash Nebula spinoff and do some specials.
Reverting back to the status quo is what every cartoon comedy was doing then and even now.
Again FOP was a comedy first show, it's not the Loud House. Danny Phantom was built to be different show from Fairly Oddparents, even if Steve Marmel leaving was a big hit on the show.
Everyone seems to really like that episode.
The cynical, mean-spirited humor of the show is a blessing and a curse. When the gags land, they really do land. When they don’t, it painfully reminds you you’re watching a show from the 2000s
great way of explaining it
...Dude, do you know how many shows have dark humor ? Plenty of the problem isn't that. The problem is flanderization, seasonal rot, and diminishing quality... Let's not start blaming the humor too much
@@seeleunit2000 I’m not saying the show didn’t get worse over time, I’m saying that some moments in the show didn’t age well
Better a cynical show than a show that’s saccharine and simple to digest.
@@matthewtartt9422 Nowadays, some people genuinely prefer the latter it seems i.e no pessimism, no dark jokes or meta humour
Butch Hartman wrote "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" and yet approved the "Tell me I'm pretty" episode. It's like he had an idea to subvert the usual "mean popular girl" cliché but then abandoned it once he heard a funny joke that destroyed everything he wrote prior.
Knowing the kind of person Hartman is, I would not be surprised if it was a purposeful retcon because he did an "oops! accidental feminism. Can't have that in my god-fearing christianity-approved show".
@@FunnyFany the mpreg show? just say he's a bad writer, don't make up stuff.
@@ember9361 He said in a speech that God can be found in all of his work. I'm not making anything up
@@ember9361Both can be true. Man is an extremist
@@FunnyFany I'm not sure what his show supposedly being God-fearing and christianity-approved has to do with accidental feminism, but okay lol 🤔.
„Timmys got himself a girly guilty pleasure, mine was the Wings Club”
Valid.
Same. My friends laughed at me when I told them that it was genuinely interesting.
@@valentinkambushev4968Your friends are not cool
Winx Club BTW
Mine was definitely Sailor Moon and then Cardcaptors as a kid
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic for me. Loved seeing everyone's development.
The fact that the actress that played Trixie is blind and had to read her lines via Brailleis is so admirable. Also, this show came out in 2001
Thank u. He overlooked that fact. The show didn't come out when I was 11 .
I did not know that just learned something
I didn't know that. Neat factoid.
I never knew that. Truly an awesome factoid
A Blind Va sounds pretty bad ass actually
My mans Timmy really Thanos'd everyone just to be with Trixie.
_"Guy, I don't feel so good."_
That's the thing Timmy and Thanos have in common: They are absolute simps.
@@valentinkambushev4968 And Deadpool steals Thanos' girl that cursed him to become temporarily immortal (if I say "temporarily", Purple Grape uncursed Wade because the Merc with a Mouth doesn't know when to shut his mouth).
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Hey, he is called "The Merc with the mouth," not "The Merc who knows when to shut up".
There are people who still say Timmy wasn't a bad godkid😂
Trixie x Timmy made Mordecai feel like Child's Play.
Lol yeah
Nah Timmy didn't even sink that low
@@DDarkestKnight I don't know, I mean wishing everyone else on the world just to be alone with a girl sounds worse than Mordecai even if he was extremely cringe.
@@roshrol6469only reason I’d say mordeci is worst is one he was 23 vs Timmy being 10 and the fact mordeci actually had a chance and shot his self in the foot multiple times vs Timmy never truly having a chance that’s what makes mordeci worse cause everyone knew he had a chance and made it awkward for no reason and Timmy is notorious for making selfish wishes
@@Bigg_RPGAlso wasn’t there that one episode where Mordecai literally killed Rigby all because of Margaret
Okay, I'll give Trixie a bit of a pass when Timmy wished for him and her to be THE LAST PEOPLE ON EARTH cause looking back on it.. Yeah, who wouldn't go totally insane when there's no other people to talk to but one other person cause people are very social and taking that away will drive anyone crazy and very clingy to the only other human alive.
And especially for someone like Trixie who is a very extroverted person and is giving near constant attention suddenly being alone with only one other person her reaction actually made a certain amount of sense (if played up a bit for comedic purposes)
I can get that but its the constant need for validation and compliments that ruined her. If she went crazy cuz no one else was there that'd make sense but...she went unhinged in a way that harmfully deconstructed what little character she had.
@@tigerfalcoI think it fits. When your self worth is tied by your looks and status and not for who you are, you tend to try and cling on to that sense of identity that makes you feel worthy. I don’t that that contradicts Trixie’s other traits. Just an added layer of insecurity.
@@matthewtartt9422 AS much as I don't like the episode, I think it did do a lot for Trixie's character as the "popular girl" trope. She was used to always being validated and adored by people around her. When no one was around to fill that need, she clung to the only remaining person who could sate her need. And naturally, one person can't satisfy a need like that on their own, so Trixie would've been starved for that attention. More of a failing on her part than anything, but it was written very weirdly by a weird man
@@tigerfalco I blame the writers. But still, Trixie is extroverted and she gets a lot of attention, it’s like sis was going through with drawl
The WILD thing about all of this, is that Trixie wasn’t even THAT bad of a love interest?? (At least not at first)
The problem was Hartman never really explored Trixie’s tomboy side post-Boy Would Be Queen, and basically never used it ever again. Which is a shame, cause the initial lesson of “Girls can like boys stuff just as much” is perfect for Trixie’s character development for a redemption arc.
It is not until watching the rise of Devzel as a ship that made me realize….. holy shit, Trixie deserved SO MUCH more!!
what's really sad is that even ignoring that they jsut removed any good traits she did show to make her just a vain, selfish asshole when she could've been at least likable even if she didn't remain a tomboy
but that wouldn't be 'funny', would it?
@@sarafontanini7051 Butch Hardman make better femele caraters in Danny Phatom even the shallow popular teaneger
Boy Who Would Be Queen is one of my favorite episodes, growing up with this show. It cut through the "standards" of the time period when it aired and made kids like me realize that gender definitions were BS social constructs. Who doesn't love to Rip & Tear from time to time? Who doesn't love an emotional love plot coming to a climatic head in the story?
Yeah I like to think Trixie could of had it better if she wasn't manipulated by the popular kids.
Considering who Butch Hartman is, that isn't surprising
It's crazy to think about how Trixie could have gotten character development like Pacifica or Amity if FOP had allowed us characters to grow. Just because a show is a comedy doesn't mean that they can't grow as characters. Just look at Bob's Burgers or Big City Greens. If we get a season 2 of A New Wish I hope they fix her
Gloria from Big City Greens went from a female version of Squidward to becoming a part of the Green family.
@@michaelstrong5383Exactly!
Yeah, they could have just given the characters more roles within the off-hand things they liked, in order to keep the comedy and the continuity. They could have just had an episode about some sort of humor, around Trixie's awkwardness at the comic store.
Also, Phineas and Ferb. Sure, it was formulaic as hell, but there was a good sense of progressing, like with Bulford growing more from his bullying as the episodes go by. And let's not forget Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry's bromance!
And Andrea from The Ghost and Molly McGee, she is Molly former arch-nemesis turned best friend
I think it's implied in one episode that Tootie did have fairies at one point but she just couldn't keep her mouth shut long enough to keep them
yeah timmy shouldn't have done that tootie was stupid and a blabber mouth
@@tarden132 He just wanted to be nice...
They never imply that once in the series.
@@ELRIFLIn one episode, Timmy wishes Tootie had his fairies for a day. She couldn't wait to tell everyone about them.
That's the point. She could have had fairies, but she didn't know when to keep quiet. Timmy's a lot of things, but he has enough sense to keep his mouth shut.
The episode where Timmy turned into a girl was the *perfect* moment to develop Trixie from that point forward.
She could've learned to gradually become more comfortable expressing her interests while also showing her and Timmy actually connecting with each other as himself. Heck, there could even be a point where Timmy has so much fun spending time with her, he forgets about trying to woo her, and that's when she starts returning her feelings. Then she could finally put her desire to be popular for the sake of her image behind and accept herself, no matter who's watching.
These two had so much potential, but the show dropped the ball.
Exactly! I swear, between Trixie and Valerie, Butch Hartman always seem to ignore the untapped potential of interesting characters
@@pedanticat9479Please don't remind me about Valerie. They wasted a great character with a fantastic voice actress. How do you waste a character voiced by *Cree Summers?!* 😮💨
@delphoxhoopa7289 I recently rewatched DP and the fact that out of the 53 episodes she only had 6 major appearances is insane!
@@pedanticat9479And she was more memorable than Sam and Tucker in certain ones. And I say this as someone who loves them.
Then again FoP is an episodic series meant for young audiences and is a Butch Hartman cartoon show at the end of the day so changing the status quo changing a character for the better is a tall order
The episode about Trixie liking comics was one i really liked as a kid, is a shame that side of her was never brought up again. Even today we have people that believe in this weird divide between boys and girls in media, even if is not as bad as it was in the 2007.
I would dare to say that a lot of little girls back then also liked media marketed towards to boys, i was one of them. Liking things like Winx Club, Powerpuff Girls, Barbie and Angelina Balerina doesn't stop you from also liking Ben 10, Generator Rex, Jake Long and Batman: The brave and the Bold.
Also, we never saw Timmy liking soap operas outside this episode, feels like it was added for the plot, just like Trixie liking comics.
Edit: Also, can't now that i mentioned Jake Long, i would love to hear Sarcastic Chorus talking about Jake x Rose, because Rose is AMAZING and that ship was one of my first experienses with shiping angst a kid.
It makes me wonder how they could have wrote Trixie, considering there are women who like Mortal Kombat and Dragonball Z, unironically yet are feminine people even though it was marketed towards boys.
I do hope we see Trixie in A New Wish season 2, there’s plenty of ways to reintroduce her in a positive way. With today's nerd culture being so much more accepting, Trixie could be even more popular than before all because she can share her interest in comic books more openly. If they show that Timmy and Trixie got together, I can see it happening if they took that route for her character.
Why not do the anime way like the popular girl choose the unpopular one/dude i would love it to see because with youtube these days some popular people are down to earth
SpongeBob not having a romantic subplot besides Krabs and Puff is the best decision they ever made.
Spongebob did marry Sandy though.
Technically SpongeBob and Sandy might be together but it's just hints.
But this is why I like how Hanna Barbera paired Shaggy and Daphne together (confirmed by Tom Ruegger) in the mid 80's as there were no forced childish romance between them like with Fred and Daphne or Shaggy and Velma in a hand full of 21st century Scooby-Doo.
@@kappadarwin9476 Sure, but that wasn't a subplot in the same way Krabs and Puffs were.
@@youdontknowsponge6218 Holy, wait a second, what? I will admit to not knowing the "people behind the curtain" (which is what I assume this Tom R. guy is), but Daphne and Shaggy? Seriously? "Where Are You?" is just typical, Fred and Daphne are sort of together, Shaggy and Velma dance together. Not really a relationship focused show, but its whatever. Then, during the "Scooby Doo Show" it's similar, same format.
I know then they do pull out Fred and Daphne in "13 Ghosts" and some of the 80s ones with Scrappy, but even then, it never plays into any romance. If anything Shaggy still plays Shaggy, and Daphne instead plays a female Fred/Daphne (with Flimflam taking a bit of Fred/Velma).
I guess I'm just amazed that that was ever put forth as a thing, it is out of left field from what I've seen. I also know movies aren't cannon, but he did have a girlfriend in "Reluctant Werewolf" lol. So we know he might like blondes.
@@Ander0072originalv2 To catch you up the Shaggy/Daphne era but no Fred/Velma lasted between 1983 to 85. The first series were The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show later re-titled The New Scooby-Doo Mysteries (only changed titles because they wanted Scrappy's name out of the title) but both seasons were the same show while the second series of this era was 13 Ghosts.
Trixie is basically the Proto-Pacifica
Pretty much. The Northwest Manor episode is basically "The Boy Who Would Be Queen" but with more depth.
@@michaelstrong5383 and the most important part is Pacifica doesn’t reset to the status quo
the writers actually keep her development
she went from a snotty cliche antagonist to being a nuanced character and potential love ship with Dipper
And Pacifica is basically the Proto-Amity
It helps that she got her *first* steps to proper growth in the golf episode, *then* Northwest Manor shifted her properly into a new status quo.
Shame the finale *sort of* backtracked her and sidelined her growth, but eh. Can't have everything.
@@mckenzie.latham91 I can’t express my dislike for Mabifica enough
11:37 “The show was made in 2007”
The show came out in 2001, and this episode came out in 2002. Not saying this detracts from what you were saying as a whole, I just couldn’t help but immediately catch this.
6:42 Since you brought up Kim Possible x Ron as the exception to the early slowburn romance, I wonder if you could do an analysis video on their relationship and how it was handled. Especially since I’m a huge Kim Possible fan
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@@Mariasouza-um8cx I'll take that as a good thing?
Agreed
@@justjoannak Yeah. That show was my childhood in the early 2000's.
Kim and Ron had an adorable friendship & you could always see the romantic potential, but they waited till the right moment to finally commit. One of my favorite shows as a kid; Kim was relatable to a preteen & teenage me
my headcanon is that since Timmy has wished to be a kid forever, she never had the brain power to mature out of this shitty clout chasing attitude and tbf if the only man she saw was Timmy and others just poof away, she would go crazy because all the supressing she did to fit in suddenly didnt mean anything as people she tried to be fake for poofed
Trixy is like the Veronica Vreeland (from BTAS) of Fairly Odd Parents, she’s a rich mean girl with a lot of potential for character growth but isn’t fully focused on enough for writers to give us that character growth, the difference is that Veronica is actually a good character and isn’t annoying or blend (in my opinion)
I think they could have deconstructed Trixie a bit more, like how they did Chester, Remmy and Crocker, to know more about her family. She is likely also neglected but compensated with a lot of gifts, to explain her personality where she cares more about her image, and attention.
I feel like a lack of serialization shouldn't be a reason a show should side line characters. They could've pivoted Trixie and Tooty to something else like, this is the problem with butches shows but he doesn't know how to write or deal with female characters. To him they are what men are not, or they are made for men and I hate that. Tooty could've been Timmys new friend and maybe she even joins the group of boys, or she could just be his other friend separate from that and they become besties. Same could go for Trixie except maybe she leaves they popular kids or is friends with him in secret, like omg they could've made plenty of gags about her and her potential male personas interacting with everyone while she's trying to hangout with Timmy. Or if they didn't want these characters anymore just right them out, don't beat a dead horse lmao! Also you know how they have that dumb plot about a fairy shortage, literally they could've used Tooty and not create Chloe!!! So much wasted potentially but that's what you get with a butch cartoon.
Real talk, I actually always shipped Timmy with Veronica more than either Tootie or Trixie. And I still wish (ha!) both Trixie and Veronica could’ve been more fleshed out as the show went on. Personally, most of the school kids could’ve been interesting if they focused on them.
It feels like they wanted us to hate them, especially Veronica and justify Timmy not being interested in her. Especially when she seems to get frequently bullied by her own peers.
I know fans love Tootie more and I get the appeal and I would’ve been interested in how that relationship developed if it was at least natural. But if you’ve seen Timmy and Tootie’s relationship, you’ve seen every relationship where one of them is a nerdy and clingy stalker. Timmy never reciprocated Tootie’s feelings unless there’s a couple scenes excluding the live action movies I don’t remember but it feels like the show is telling Timmy that he owes her his love just because she likes him unlike Trixie and has a shitty home life with Vicky.
It’s the cliche “hero getting with the homely girl who he actually gets along with vs the pretty girl who he only likes for her looks”. But The Boy Who Would Be Queen establishes that Trixie was basically forced into traditional femininity (even if that’s based on the whole “not like other girls” trope) that she had more depth to her than what Timmy saw.
In FOP’s case especially, it feels like they’re telling Timmy to give up on his dreams of being with Trixie because she’s too shallow or just not interested (which wasn’t the case in other episodes) and that he should settle for Tootie. It’s so mean spirited and cynical to say in a kids show which was always one of the show’s biggest problems. And it’s super weird they pushed that so much that they have kids in the future and it’s why I don’t love Channel Chasers as much as everyone else does.
Elmer’s other show, Danny Phantom, had the same exact set up almost bar for bar but worse with Paulina not getting ANY real depth and Sam being unlikable in her own right and not telling Danny how she feels even after she loses him to someone else. Valerie should’ve been Danny’s endgame and I still stand by it.
Comparing her to Tootie, Veronica admittedly isn’t much better with Trixie as demonstrated by the internet episode, but it’s because she wants her life. The popularity, the respect and Timmy to have a crush on her.
I would’ve wanted to see an episode where she stood up to Trixie, Tad and Chad with Trixie admitting her mistakes and apologizing and maybe both eventually become a part of Timmy’s friend group. And I could see either of them becoming Timmy’s endgame love interest. I just think it’s more compelling for an average kid who no one understands to bond with a popular girl who isn’t as popular as she would’ve wanted to be and isn’t treated much better than how the rich kids treat him. At least Braceface and As Told By Ginger did something similar to this.
Butch Hartman is a gimmick writer, who has no brains for character development or changing the status quo
All of his shows have this issue, where there is little character development, interesting nuances to characters are dropped the moment not convenient for the episode/writing
and where the status quo is recycled every-time
because Butch can’t work outside the formula.
even when they added the babies to the show, they then kept the same pattern of no real character development and the status quo every episode
Hartman did the same in Tough Puppy where the characters never grow, change or have any development which is why that show didn’t last very long
The only reason we got danny and sam from danny phantom was because that was set up early on by the writer (not hartman) who actually made danny phantom what it was
and Hartman was forced to follow through with their arc after he took over fully for season 3, which is regarded by fans collectively as the worst season.
The problem for me, is that the show went on for so long but it refused to focus on the established characters it had. It did eventually for Timmy's Dad and Crocker but only because they were considered the funny characters. They never bothered to give an episode to Trixie, AJ, Sanjay or Elmer about themselves. The only episode that focused on the other characters, was the one that showed what happened when Timmy wished himself to be popular, from the side of AJ and Chester'
@@AJ-xc4qe I honestly don't think Timmy needed to be with Trixie. He was only into her because she was popular and the gag was about him being rejected by her over and over because there was no way Trixie would have liked him, as himself. She just wanted a female friend who was into the more male marketed things she was interested in.
@@GeteMachine Another great concept would be a subversion of Timmy and Trixie’s relationship by making her not reciprocate Timmy’s feelings and instead become another one of his BFFs who’s also interested in all the male marketed stuff and Veronica becoming his endgame.
Always a great day when Sarcastic Chorus puts out a new video.
Just cause you mentioned it, omg winx club was sooo good! That and sailormoon were my fav girl show's growing up.
I heard a lot of boys loved Kim Possible and The PowerPuff Girls a lot as a kid
@@spectre9340 unfortunately I never caught Powerpuff girls when it was on, and Kim possible, God it's so dumb but as a kid I hated the naked mole rat. So while my brothers watched it, I didn't bc that lil guy grossed me out lol. Now I think he's cute but yeah definitely missed out on a pretty cool show.
@@theboiyouddate5722 you manage to watch the whole "I'm poor and don't have cable" broadcast? Tokyo Mew Mew, DoReMi, etc.? I can at least admit to watching the latter. Love the JP theme song too. You should watch the 20+ anniversary thing where they remade the OP with them as adults.
the fairy odd parents write girls so BADLY
@@harriyanna What do you mean?
Agreed! Also, hi!
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 They're one-note af
@@lifeisadrag7705 One Note? That can't be true.😬
That's one weakness "FOP A new wish" managed to fixed. Girl characters actually feel like characters now, considering that the current protagonist is a girl.
A rare moment where a sequel series fixed a flaw from the original.
In the first season (or second, IDR) Vicky was protective of Tootie and wanted her to be happy during her birthday episode. I only noticed when I rewatched the show. Character consistency was its major flaw.
It’s apparently more notable in the “Oh Yeah Cartoons” episodes.
And yeah, the episodic nature of this show can be quite the curse at times.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964
Right that's where I saw it, thanks
Pacifica from Gravity Falls is the trope done right tbh
I was always on board the Timmy x Tootie ship even before I knew what shipping was.
It just feels right
Timmy didn’t deserve Tootie.
@@Darth_Bateman yeah true and tootie didn’t deserve him she deserves so much better
Lol has the initials of the show
Honestly I'm kind of over the stalker and person who doesn't understand boundaries ship
Considering when Timmy gave Tootie his fairy godparents, she nearly revealed their existence to the world, its entirely possible she had fairies at some point, but they were taken away when she revealed their existence
I wonder if Trixie Will return in a New wish although if she did she’d likely be recast seeing how her original voice actress(Dionne Quan) has retired from acting
good news she came out of retirement this year
@@MykiiMescal really?
@@owenwilson2869I could be wrong but I heard that shes going to play an older version of Toph in a new avatar the last airbender animated movie by the original creators of the show.
Perfect excuse to have Trixie be a trans guy in ANW. Doubt Butch would allow it, but we can dream, especially considering Winn’s real.
But if she’s really out of retirement, I would definitely not mind her being back in the role if she wanted it.
I wonder how Vicky felt when she learned she's now Timmy's Sister-in-Law after Timmy married Tootie. I bet she had an aneurysm. lol
Trixie going full Yandere is my favorite Trixie (° ͜ʖ͡°)
I see short guys getting taller girls a couple of times, but I think Timmy was way too small for her 😂
It's the money, not the height 😢
Nah. Just that neither his personality nor his appearance are all that nice.
Timmy was just a short king. 🤴
@@GeteMachine his a late bloomer adult Timmy is pretty tall
Their kiss in the wishology was amazing! SO mad that they ereased it
It didnt have any build up, just seemed like a ratings ploy
Did anybody else get weirded out by how much taller Trixie was than Timmy? Like Timmy feels like he's supposed to be like 10 or 11, and the height difference plus her behaviour makes her seem like she's 15 or 16. Which makes every scene where Trixie throws Timmy a bone feel weirder.
Nah, I usually register development levels and sniff out if a person consents at a level appropriate to their age.
NOT that girls have their growth spurt some years before boys. On which occasion you'll promptly start cat calling them when they reach the Height of Consent, or what?
How about instead of "weeeeeird" you talk topics like an adult would? By the way 18 is when your DEADLINE to figure it out hits. Not the age where you start trying, so you can barely figure out consent at age 23.
This
Yeah that’s always bugged me. Tad and Chad also are super short despite being Trixie’s age.
no. girls grow earlier than boys, it's normal. she looks like a ten year old girl and he looks like a ten year old boy. If anything, this is a nice detail to have.
The only explanation I read on tvtropes, was just that girls have growth-spirts earlier than boys do, so thus why Trixie and Veronica are so much taller than the boy characters at 11.
They gave Trixie one chapter of development/depth, when Timmy became a girl
Trixie started off as this rich girl that no boy can get unless they're loaded and Timmy Turner is an average boy with bad luck with life. Trixie being a tomboy added depth to her character and she has to hide it from her friends because she's afraid to show her true self but that is all ruined with the episode with Timmy wishing to be alone with her and she regressed to a attention speaking person that wants validation from everyone. She never recovered and the show dipped in quality. As for quilty pleasures, your's is Winx Club yeah? I'm with you on that. Matter of fact, my guilty pleasures are magical girls shows. Winx Club, Mew Mew Power, W.i.t.c.h, Sailor Moon you name it and I watch a lot of Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, Naruto, Jojo's Bizarre Adventures, Avatar The Last Airbender and Yu-Gi-Oh.
24:07 Maybe they should have shown how fairy parent assignment worked so maybe Tootie just didn’t have a fairy due to nobody being competent enough to handle her cuz she basically needed a magical therapist & those are super specialized fairies that are super rare.
& then they just said “fuck it” & had Timmy share his.
But that’s what would’ve happened if I wrote the show.
Yeah, Timmy's options were a mean girl who couldn't pull her head out of her ass enough to see Timmy for who he was and actually build a relationship with him that she could have if she got off her high horse, and an obsessed stalker who couldn't care less that she was making Timmy uncomfortable. Lose-lose. Which really just goes back to the original premise of the show: Timmy has been screwed by life.
He is just as obsessive about Trixie. Its pot meet kettler.
Timmy literally wished for him and Trixie to be the only people on earth. THAT is the kind of person Timmy is.
@@lifeisadrag7705 Yeah, that episode really didn't paint either of them in a good light.
I'm pretty sure the reason Tootie didn't realize she was making Timmy uncomfortable was because she is an eight year old girl, not because she is an obsessed stalker.
@@toonberculosis9574...
You can be an obsessed stalker no matter the age...
Timmy literally wished for him and Trixie to be the only two people on Earth. He was 10.
While Trixie should have more character depth. I never saw her and Timmy as a thing because (especially when you involve Tootie into the mix) it's Shallow on every end. Timmy doesnt like Trixie in any meaningful way and more so likes the idea of Trixie, Trixie herself makes Timmy have to proof himself just to earn her acknowledgement constantly, and Tootie is chasing (someone who doesnt care for her) Timmy who is in turn giving her an equal level of shallowness that Trixie gives him. Unlike characters Finn or Ben 10 it's more than Timmy that is the problem here.
Yeah, if I could rewrite the script I would have built off the Timmatha thing. Have Tootie realize her and Timmy were better off being friends.
Yeah unfortunately the episodic nature meant I never saw the episodes in order. I thought she was crazy from the “tell me I’m pretty” long before I saw the “tomboy Trixie” episode. And by then I was on Trudies side.
I didn’t stick around through the entirety of this show and I wanna ask, when did 90% of the supporting cast disappear or become irrelevant
Season 6-7 was the last time we got Trixie, AJ & Chester and Francis focused episodes, Season 8 kinda doesnt count since it was only "Series Finale" Specials... Season 9 was when it all started to go downhill, basically AJ only has a single speaking line before turning into a background character, and the entire show soft reboots itself to only feature Timmy's Dad, Crocker, Foop and Catman in almost every episode.
@@ilan_profile why is foop there if poof left years ago
Trixie was already ruined, being the cliche spoiled rich girl and all. They should've focused on Tootie, and helped to develop her character.
Tootie really was done dirty by everyone. She is even worse off than timmy but somehow still always the butt of the joke.
There's nothing wrong with a spoiled rich girl, in some shows they're the best characters. And didn't Tootie get development in the live action movies where she went from crazy girl to... normal girl (I didn't watch the movies I'm pretty sure that's what happened)
@@DDarkestKnight Yeah, like how Pacifica was developed in Gravity falls
You're being close-minded. Tootie is a trope just like how Trixie was. Nerdy girl obsessed with the MC in a concerning and creepy way.
Personally, I never shipped Timmy with Trixie because I assumed it was just gonna be a one-sided crush. And while I shipped Tootie and Timmy, I also felt like that was just gonna be a one-sided crush until they got older. We didn't necessarily need to see them get together as 10-year-olds
@@spectre9340 A small part of my brain hoped the rich girl wouldn't just end up being a shitty person who Timmy shouldn't continue to have feelings for but alas.
If a new wish managed to make people love Poo- I mean Peri, then I really hope they can fix Trixie should she appear on the show.
"The Boy who would be Queen", should've been THE Episode, where at the End, Trixie would show being envious & a little interested at Timmy for speaking his mind up and not being afraid of admitting the things that he likes.
This Moment would give her more depth to her Character. She would be very Jealous of him & secretly looks up to him, because he's being True to himself.
All the weird & wacky things that she sees Timmy doing, would amuse her & probably develop a bit of a Crush to him, before realizing that she must return to her "Popular" persona, to maintain her Image.
This would be an Interesting Plot point for her, as she would now be struggling of wanting to be her true self, but is trapped in her Status as being "The Popular Girl" . She thinks that if she reveals what she really likes, then all of her Image that she tries to keep for so long would come crashing down...and that really terrifies her
THIS! This is why I think about Trixie so much. This conflict of being envious of someone you’re not even supposed to notice. It’s got to be such an isolating experience.
It’s the tiresome anxiety inducing situation of having everything to lose and something to hide, the panopticon of the closet.
If I could slightly edit the end of TBWWBQ, I’d have Timmy get her a magazine with a comic snuck inside it (signed with his name and Timmantha’s) along with his speech and her having that initial interest and appreciation, and getting his name right even if she has to go back to being mean to not let anyone get any ideas.
I would have loved an episode of her somehow getting access to magic and wishing to be him for a day, just to have the pressure off and it messing up his day.
Also her boy disguise being a recurring plot point where she meets up with Timmy as peers and neither acknowledges that they recognize each other from the episode that introduced the idea. The fact that they recognize each other just hangs over all their interactions, but it doesn’t matter because there in the comic shop, they’re peers. It just makes me so excited and soft thinking about them finding community by being there for each other. Even if they might want romance out of it, the fact they can be friends is good enough.
The real issue is that people named Timmy don’t deserve love. (/j)
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U an OPPP
@@NotFanti Quiet down Lil’ Timmy 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
This is a joke, but that one episode (It’s a Wishful Life) makes me suspect the show agrees, at least for our Timmy. And even the episodes pushing for Tootie to be his love interest are demanding he settle for someone who likes him that he doesn’t like. I do actually think Tootie could work as a satisfying endgame for him, but it’s just cynical and cruel the way it’s written now.
Who fumbled the bag harder?
- Timmy and Trixie
- Mordecai and Margaret
- Morty and Jessica
- Eren and Mikasa
Its Peter and MJ.
Like Marvel Editors don’t want them together. I don’t mean back at the start of Zeb Welles run, or back in the post OMD storyline, or even back in the Roger Stern era. No, as far back as Mary Jane’s debut when she was just an off panel mentioned character. Yeah I don’t think Stan Lee ever intended for Peter to be with her.
@@BigK13372 Makes sense.
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At least Eren and Mikasa have cabin sex in Paths, then a decapitated head kiss. And then there's the music video of Eren and Mikasa finally together in the afterlife, while Armin is all alone in hell!
Mordecai and Margaret. Mordecai only went on "dates" with Margaret when it was part of some dare. He gets upset at Margaret's boyfriends but at least they had the stones to ask her out. Mordecai really gives guys a mirror when it comes to Margaret. He's awkward and obsessive to a scary degree. The episode where he drove to another town to drop off Margaret's sweater really nails that point home.
Margaret even calls Mordecai out on his awkwardness; every time she gives him a chance he always drops the bag.
23:17 That's what it's always been tho since the day it aired. It's never meant to make the character more complex in my opinion.
Tomboy Trixie mainly was there to make Timmy look like a fool for not approaching Trixie as a person beforehand. Timmy doesn't really learn that lesson either he just says what Trixie wants to hear to win her affection (and gets kicked out of the party for it). Timmy always sees Trixie as an object so that's the perspective we see fittingly.
The thing about dating is, even with magical powers and wishes if the person you love doesn't naturally love you back for real from the heart you'll never truly be confident in the relationship or that person and go mad when the thing that made them like you goes away.
You know I just thought of “Chloe’s soul purpose of existing is that because since Timmy has 2 fair god parents, he has to share” (which is obviously stupid) Why not give Sparky to her?? Like deadass, he was useless to the plot anyway. Also if Timmy was gonna have to share his fairies, why couldn’t it have been with Tootie?? This obviously makes more sense because A) she’s someone we already know and are familiar with and B)… it just makes sense.
I think they should have done this too! Tootie was getting a big push around the time of the live aciton movie... but the cartoon itself abandoned her, refused to evolve her... I don't really get it. Did execs stop Butch? If they promoted Tootie to a co-main character, toned down the Timmy crush to what it is in Channel Chasers/FOP live movies, and they could have introduced Chloe as a friend of hers, basically her own version of Chester, if they really absolutely needed the new face, I think that would have really gotten fans interested again.
Stuff like Poof = Peri shows that sometimes tweaks can be made for the better, but the show under Butch was too afraid to make any truly character changing decisions and as a result the show has aged poorly in some aspects.
My girly guilty pleasure was my little pony. Phew, feels good to get that of my chest.
Mine too, man! Mine too.
My girly guilty pleasure was the fairy Barbie movies, and some of the older ones before that trilogy. Gotta love/hate having sisters :D
totally spies was mine. I liked it for the character interactions and art style.
@@kappadarwin9476 I hope you watched Martin Mystere (or Martin Mystery) too.
If FOP's middle seasons were more serialized I'm sure they could've done more with Tootie
Ouch. You're really reopening an old wound here, Sarcastic Chorus.
Out of all shipping videos i thought you would make, i never considered this one lol
Amity really is just what Trixie should've became, huh?
Timmy X trixie was always going to end in failure
Since we now realize that Trixie was a terrible character throughout, it was probably for the best.
No mention Veronica's crush on Timmy? I know it's a background running gag but I figured it fit on this video
I’m struggling to remember Veronica at all…
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 Veronica was Trixie's best friend. The blonde. She had a huge crush on Timmy similar to Tootie but she wasn't a stalker and never reveals those feelings to him as far as I remember.
The show was made in 2001
Honestly the blonde girl next to trixie is better in comparison
Another thing is grey delise basically voices almost like 2 or 3 of the most popular timmy ships
Yeah Veronika Star is more interesting
TimmyxAzula4Eva
Penny from amazing world of gumball is basically what i wish they did with Trixie. Not only do their relationships goes somewhere,but Penny actually becomes a three-dimensional character. Seems to me they're already learning.
i feel like if the og series was worked on by the new wish staff that trixie prob would have been expanded upon
Shotouts to Trixie's "Best" """friend""" Veronica, whose characterization early on was that she was pining for Timmy as hard as Tootie, she held deep jealousy and resentment towards Trixie, and that she was the overall "Loser" popular girl of the group, eternally living in Trixie's shadow. And then the show completely forgot about those aspects as well.
"Give a character depth only to take it away from her, you're probably better off not trying in the first place." Is exactly how i feel about Chloe Bourgeois
I am very curious how A New Wish would tackle an older Tootie the curiosity of the type of person she'd grow up to be is insane they can take that character into many different directions
Tootie's character design also sets her up as the real equal to Timmy. It was always strange on a design level how Trixie was so much taller than Timmy. It sets the characters apart. Timmy is the same vertical size as his fairies, Cosmo and Wanda, despite the fact that theyre adults. He is also the same size as his two friends, Chester and AJ. This vertical design is one way Butch Hartman sets characters apart from one another. He is never close to his parents or Vicky, both of whom tower over him. But he IS close to every character who is the same size as him. Butch Hartman does this in Danny Phantom too. So to me its immediately obvious Trixie Tang was never meant to be a close character to Timmy Turner.
Agreed! Was really looking forward to seeing more of her after her interest in comics was revealee but the butchered her
The "secret tomboy" thing could have gone so cool! What if, if everyone accepted her, she could have also been more open to others and at least more often friendly to Timmy and his friends or other kids or what if her "popular friends" rejected her and Timmy's group would ahave welcomed her, to the point where she because a full-fletched member of them and transformed to just a friend instead of crush, and not just a friend to Timmy but also to the other boys
11:35 Typo? It came out in 2001 lol
*2002
@@mrpiccionedivino5598 Season 1 came out in 2001
@@NRobbi42 that episode is from season 2
"Everyone knows that comedy is the lowest form of entertainment, next to animation." 😑🙄
Me: Everyone knows being popular in school is one of the lowest levels to the side world, cause it's a nothing burger. :D
@@dj_faithanimation2961 Did Trixie really said that last part?
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 Yup
Boy, do I relate to the Winx club thing
8:53 Trixie is better as a tomboy than Girly Girl
She looks too good
What a treat! Also dude’s almost at 500k! Congrats!🎉
He is at 500k
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 hazzah!
21:58 Yeah, but I think you forgot that there's a reason Tootie CAN'T EVER HAVE FAIRY GODPARENTS. Yeah, she technically deserves them, but the episode you mentioned with Timmy loaning his Godparents to her, Tootie immediately goes around trying to share and expose to the whole world about them. In other words, Tootie can't keep a freaking secret lol.
Hell, they could have at least ended up friends.
That would have been sooo interesting
Same. Tbh I kinda wished they would’ve done something like they do go on a couple dates, only to realize they’re not compatible as a couple because they have different interests or just aren’t invested enough in a relationship. Whoever says Tootie was the better love interest clearly doesn’t understand the disgusting vibes of making a stalker end up with their crush. She never actually realizes how uncomfortable she made Timmy and tried multiple times into him kissing her. Just because she has Vickie for a sister isn’t an excuse for her to win her man. It treats Timmy as a prize or comfort blanket instead of someone she actually cares about and can relate to. Trixie could’ve been so much more than the typical popular girl, considering how many popular kids actually are unhappy or have insecurities and force themselves into these friendships.
Like with Disney romances, they’ve never actually had a relationship where the girl and guy didn’t end up together simply because they were better off being friends. Closest we got was Giselle and Edward, but even then they barely knew each other. The only other couple was Pocahontas and John Smith as she chose Rolfe in the sequel (unfortunately) and they tried making it look like they didn’t feel the same way anymore and had very different dreams and aspirations that couldn’t make each other happy. Only problem is how much of an a**hole Smith is in the sequel, completely ruining his character to make Rolfe the more mature one who actually cared about Pocahontas and her people’s wellbeing.
But ultimately even if Trixie was never planned to actually end up with Timmy, at least make them friends and maybe Timmy comes to find a better woman for him as a romantic partner.
10:09 Mine were Winx Club, Zoobles, & Steven Univverse (last of which helped me get in touch with my femininity).
Beforehand the closest I got to wearing pink was coral/salmon pink & the closest I got to presenting femininely was my Minecraft creeper girl skin which looked like Alice from Bakugan.
Was also into mlp reviews but not the series, & it could have been the self acceptance gateway if I didn’t get into SU instead.
20:55.
I think that would work better for Mary Sue Dupain-Cheng, as she is the real bully of the show. She got worse and worse each season.
Poor Chat Noir.
@@mayotango1317 how is she mor3 if a bully then Chloe who is the biggest bitch in French ?
Trixie Tang and Chloe Bourgeois both deserved better
Use me as the "I just watched the show and didn't care about ships or development as a kid" button
Trixie was legit one of my fav characters early on. Spoiled and Ms. Popular, but with some actual layers to her and a good chemistry with Timmy. I will never forgive the show for how they torpedoed her.
That time some absolute mad lad turned “The boy who would be queen” into a whole crossover webcomic 😂
That pretty much nailed it on the head.
Started with interesting concepts.
Trixie dealing with her fame and not wanting to suffer the backlash of her secrets getting out as she would have genuinely like Timmy and didn't because he wasn't popular...
Or Trixie - stalker who did care about Timmy and then did go beyond being the creepy stalker who wanted him without any regards for Timmy's own affection or feelings.
To then get dropped down to... Their worst aspects.
It's half the reason why some Chloe ships were made... She was slightly better than the other two and stuck in a main character slot she might progress and become tolerable rather than degrade and become more horrible.
Not a ship made due to people liking her over the other two... But in the blind hope she wouldn't become worse like the others.
Probably half the reason why the reboot didn't show adult Timmy.
The other half being which ending (animation, live action, their own version) they end up picking
Mom: We have Gumball X Penny at home
Gumball X Penny at home:
Al menos ellos dos a diferencia de sus dos series hermanas si llegaron a algo
Timmy should've stayed with Vicki's sister who LOVED him more then Trixie
I’m saying
But her love made him uncomfortable, also it feels more like an obsession
No, she was a stalker.
@@Kitsune54333 heres the cycle of obession: Vicki's sister obsessed with Timmy -> Timmy obsessed with Trixie
@@Wandergirl108 same thing can be said for Timmy too but hey it's just seems that way to me
I just wish they have made Trixie and Timmy friends. Like they're kids, we don't need a relationship from ten year olds, but seeing them as actual friends like AJ and Chester, not quite as big of a friendship, but something along the lines of her just having an actual character, would have done wonders for her.
Well, Timmy also had Veronica that liked him. He just didn't get with her because their one-sided crush came off as more of poking fun at Veronica's insecurities of wanting to be Trixie and her being the "crazy one" as Timmy put it.
I wish Veronica was treated more as a character than an insultingly tsundere, clingy "best friend to the popular girl/love interest" cliche.
That episode terrified me...
1) Kidnapping/isolation/Beauty and the Beast
2) she's like 10-13 years old. EVERYONE was gone. Including her parents.
3) she's stuck with "some random boy". I don't think she remembers any "good memories" with Timmy. Like forgets because of magic, or poor facial recognition.
10:57 no scrap. I found out my girlfriend's sister and her are transformers fans well it was in our early years and I'm not ashamed what anyone says and not need to be a dudette just myself.
For me she wasn't "ruined" or "wasted" because there was nothing to ruin in the first place since she was always just a plot device for whatever the episode's gimmick was.
She just happened to have one good episode where she is used to teach Timmy a lesson and so she was given an extra bit of complexity for the episode's premise to work.
I never cared about Trixie, and the show spend most of it's time telling us that she wasn't that big of a deal, like, you just have a couple of episodes to cling to her. She was always meant to be the token "will never be" crush.
The weirdest thing that I never noticed until now was that Trixies female friend had black pupils and everyone who’s not a fairy doesn’t so did Trixie always had a fairy with her too?
Would be an Interesting Twist 😅
Toothie literally ended up sadly becoming a full on VILLAIN by the end.
Or rather, deemed a villain by the end of the show
I feel like around season 5, they were starting to have Timmy get over Trixie, and he was starting to do more nice things for Tootie (like loan her his fairies and show up at her pageant), but then season 6 came along and rolled back everything just so Timmy could have his kiss with Trixie in Wishology which sort of came out of nowhere, while they did away with Tootie being Vicky's sister and just amplified her annoying traits. That's one of the bigger disappointments of the Poof era that doesn't really get talked about as much.
Trixie had potential to be more than just the popular girl
You pretty much articulated the issue I had with the episode where Timmy wishes everyone away. The writers had a moment to cash in on all the subtle development they had with trixie: by letting us actually see what their relationship would be like without all the external expectations trixie feels she is held to on a day to day basis. Instead they switch to a baby brain gag about “tell me I’m pretty” (that in hindsight was pretty misogynistic).
I can see though why the show creators never realistically could have Timmy be with trixie though. This hypothesis is heavily speculative and it assumes the writers were actually committed to writing a good show which is contradictory to what we know about the show creator. Basically, the show never really set up why Timmy got fairies while other kids didn’t (e.g tootie and Chester). For Chester they somewhat touch on that despite everything, he is happy (building up that it’s not your circumstances but your outlook on those circumstances that affect whether you have fairies). For tootie one reason she might not have fairies is because of Timmy (think of it like a hinata circumstance with naruto). The problem with Timmy is that it’s the compilation of his circumstances that affect his outlook (and so make him eligible for fairies). If Timmy were to get trixie, it’s reasonable to say his outlook would change and he might not be miserable enough to be eligible for fairies.
Honestly seeing the brief mention of Kim Possible, kind of makes me want to see you do a deep dive on their relationship from bffs to BF&GF.
Ah, the killer of all character development: the status quo. Doesn't matter what lesson was learned or who learned it, eventually everything gets reset.