Reiza's own 3 different FFB profiles (i.e., basic, Default, & Default+) are designed in the same layered, hierachical manner as the PURE/PURE + Effects FFB profiles in the original Automobilista. The Reiza CUSTOM profile (i.e., basic) outputs steering torque acting around the front suspension's kingpin axis (this model was lifted directly from the PURE profile in AMS1). The Default profile takes the basic profile and adds damping, friction, road vibration, kerb effects, and longitudinal/lateral FRONT axis tire scrub/slip effects (i.e., EPAS model stuff). The Default+ profile takes the Default profile and features both front AND rear wheel EPAS scrub/slip effects as well as stationary/low speed drivetrain vibrations. The Reiza CUSTOM (basic) profile is only modifiable by the GAIN and LFB sliders to set the centering force and overal FFB strength; DAMPING and FX sliders only regulate the additional features activated by the Default and Default+ profiles.
Hi guys, thanks alot for your comments and "forceful feedback". I have one correction to make. I thought that switching to "Default" or "Default+" would ignore the Custom FFB File. However, apparently it doesn't! So I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+, making the overall differences between the 3 types even smaller. So to have the genuine "Default" feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then adjust your driver settings and in the ingame values to your preference.
must delete the rfuctor ffb file while out of the game and enter the game again so ams2 generate a new ffb file that you can test the default and default+ when loading game with a specific custom ffb file you can test only this and not the ams ffb files (default and default+) thanks for video
FFB is a preference...THANK YOU AND FULLY AGREE! It's annoying when people say "you're settings are wrong" There is no wrong setting, but I do feel there can be BAD settings yet still. Set your wheel up to a setting that is best for you people. Some use settings for feel and winning. I use a setup for a more real feel, using higher FX or track feelings is what I like. I don't numb them so I have a better chance to feel what car is doing....that's not how it is in real life. My 2 cents...
For the default to work you would have to start from scratch on your base settings and game settings. It's no good judging it with a load of settings tuned to your previous ffb profile!
Hi Andy, I agree. I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+. So guys, to have the proper Default feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then dial in the ingame values to your preference.
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings shown here (I know that wasn't the intention of the video) unless you have a comparable DD wheel base, but particularly for people that have gear and belt drive wheels, like Logitech / Thrustmaster T300 / T248. I'm still experimenting but I'm using these settings for my T248. Default+, Gain 75, LFB 65, FX 20, Damping 25 and vehicle specific set too 80%. In the wheel driver, I have "periodic" and damper turned down too 75%, the periodic setting I think is responsible for the constant vibration and lowering it a bit feels smoother.
Das Reiza Team hat ihr FFB mit dem default+ Profil abgestimmt. Da bekommt genau das was sie für richtig halten und darum fahre ich auch schon lange nur noch mit diesem Profil. Alle Custom Files sind nach meinem Geschmack nur Kompromisse .
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Very interesting had not played around with the different default, default + etc. I have a logitech pro DD wheel. the FX setting seems to be directly related to logitechs true force FFB settings. turning down tf audio on my wheel completely kills the fx engine vibrations . they also seem to disappear in the custom setting vs default +. i think its important to use the telemetry display on hud that shows ffb force and when its clipping.I set up clipping slightly using the in game menu settings for the big sausages at laguna seca and about 1/2+ way for normal turn, tire load. then use the ffb gain settings from assigning keys change it on the fly while driving to comfort level about 3-6 nm in loaded turns depending on car. default plus seemed to be in middle as far as linearity around peak tire load with custom being very broad and subtle and default really focusing on the peak
Great vid Timo! I am going to have to do a more dedicated session using custom ffb. I actually have been fine with sc2 pro and the default ams2 ffb (shocking as it sounds!). My in game settings are very similar to yours especially with the dampening at 50%. Exactly what I use. I adapted the reiza sc2 sport settings for my use w just small tweaks. Again I’ll explore the custom setup a bit more now though! 😊
I'm also on the Alpha and the lack of FFB info out there makes me wish I would have spent more for Simucube. It's my only regret as it's an awesome DD. I hope they get the cloud sharing in Manager up soon.
I've tried that rFuktor custom with Simagic wheel (as "raw" as possible driver settings) and it's an absolute rubbish. Seems that this custom profile rly should be used with Simucube wheel. So default+ is the way to go. Also noticed that ingame damping consumes a lot of FFB details, so I can't see any reason to set it up more than 20. Anyway AMS2 FFB system is not something you expect from a sim title in 2023. Overcomplicated. Period.
Timo thanks for making this video, I had settled on very similar custom settings in the same baseline simucube setting that you were using. I was thinking the same thing how the 1.5 changes will affect that, so you’ve given me a good starting point to digging more. One quick question in your game configuration settings do you have steering sensitivity set to 50? For some reason somewhere along the line I changed mine to 69 I think because it helped on turn in with certain cars and making the wheel more reactive but it seems counterintuitive that that would be the best thing to build good settings from. I may try it again at default, just curious where yours is set?
the old kunos guys said , that you don´t feel much of curbs in a real car on a real track. fx settings in most games are injecting fake effects in the ffb which are not there in reality. i turn it off in most sims. i just want the raw feeling of the front axis and no fake effects.
Regarding curb feel, I cannot confirm. I've driven both diverse road cars and also racing cars (Formula BMW, Porsche GTR) on tracks, and, unless the curbs are not just painted, they were always tangible and had an impact and effect on the car handling. But to each his own. It has to suit YOUR needs.
I remember reading a comment about two years ago from some guy who claimed to have driven a Formula 4 (type) car and from what I recall he said that while the overall wheel resistance was less than he expected, when driving over curbs he felt like his teeth were rattling out of his skull. Perhaps a touring class race car would be a bit more "disconnected" in terms of road feel, but I imagine you'd still feel [i]something[/i].
When you're on the motorway and go over the lines on the outside edge they make a hell of a rumble feeling to warn you you're off the road so I think bigger curbs and such will be a hell if an impact on a racing track with harder suspension . 😊
I tried your setup on Long beach. It feels dead, I dont feel anything at all for the most part with your custom setup. I'm probably going to stick with default-plus
Depends also on your hardware and driver settings. I've switched to Default+ shortly after the video and still am happy with it. Also better than the updated rFuktor Custom File which came out recently.
When you have a CUSTOM FFB text file (relabeled) in the AMS2 Documents folder, CUSTOM Need to be set in the FFB Games setting. Then when you change the in game FFB setting to Default or Default + ,the game is still using the Custom FFB text File in the documents folder. Am I correct? Wouldn't you need to delete the rFactor custom file with the default and restart AMS 2. Can someone expand on this for me?
I'm not sure if I've understood your question correctly, but the game is only using the settings in the custom file when the in-game FFB setting is on "Custom." Selecting "Default" or "Default+" reverts to the game's built-in presets.
@@rtimmins7212 When you choose "Default+" or "Default" the game will NOT utilize anything from the custom FFB file - only if you set it to "Custom" it will read from the custom FFB file
@@labpong7562 Well if you look deeper, Default is actually considered (Raw) and Default+ is (Immersive). DD wheels should be using Default. Default + is for belt/gear wheels.
@@ezpz4659b*llshit, default+ just gives extra sorts of input(road feeling etc) to the ffb. It's up to the player if you want to feel the extra information. I'm also on a simagic base, your explanation is sh*t
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Reiza's own 3 different FFB profiles (i.e., basic, Default, & Default+) are designed in the same layered, hierachical manner as the PURE/PURE + Effects FFB profiles in the original Automobilista. The Reiza CUSTOM profile (i.e., basic) outputs steering torque acting around the front suspension's kingpin axis (this model was lifted directly from the PURE profile in AMS1). The Default profile takes the basic profile and adds damping, friction, road vibration, kerb effects, and longitudinal/lateral FRONT axis tire scrub/slip effects (i.e., EPAS model stuff). The Default+ profile takes the Default profile and features both front AND rear wheel EPAS scrub/slip effects as well as stationary/low speed drivetrain vibrations. The Reiza CUSTOM (basic) profile is only modifiable by the GAIN and LFB sliders to set the centering force and overal FFB strength; DAMPING and FX sliders only regulate the additional features activated by the Default and Default+ profiles.
So what Profile is the best? the + for Front and rear?
Hi guys, thanks alot for your comments and "forceful feedback". I have one correction to make. I thought that switching to "Default" or "Default+" would ignore the Custom FFB File. However, apparently it doesn't! So I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+, making the overall differences between the 3 types even smaller. So to have the genuine "Default" feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then adjust your driver settings and in the ingame values to your preference.
must delete the rfuctor ffb file while out of the game and enter the game again so ams2 generate a new ffb file that you can test the default and default+
when loading game with a specific custom ffb file you can test only this and not the ams ffb files (default and default+)
thanks for video
FFB is a preference...THANK YOU AND FULLY AGREE! It's annoying when people say "you're settings are wrong" There is no wrong setting, but I do feel there can be BAD settings yet still. Set your wheel up to a setting that is best for you people. Some use settings for feel and winning. I use a setup for a more real feel, using higher FX or track feelings is what I like. I don't numb them so I have a better chance to feel what car is doing....that's not how it is in real life. My 2 cents...
For the default to work you would have to start from scratch on your base settings and game settings. It's no good judging it with a load of settings tuned to your previous ffb profile!
Hi Andy, I agree. I have done another test session with the Default as bare as I can have it, and it indeed felt much better and similar to Default+. So guys, to have the proper Default feel, I recommend to at least remove your custom FFB file from your documents folder as it still seems to influence the overall FFB. Then dial in the ingame values to your preference.
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings shown here (I know that wasn't the intention of the video) unless you have a comparable DD wheel base, but particularly for people that have gear and belt drive wheels, like Logitech / Thrustmaster T300 / T248. I'm still experimenting but I'm using these settings for my T248. Default+, Gain 75, LFB 65, FX 20, Damping 25 and vehicle specific set too 80%. In the wheel driver, I have "periodic" and damper turned down too 75%, the periodic setting I think is responsible for the constant vibration and lowering it a bit feels smoother.
Das Reiza Team hat ihr FFB mit dem default+ Profil abgestimmt. Da bekommt genau das was sie für richtig halten und darum fahre ich auch schon lange nur noch mit diesem Profil. Alle Custom Files sind nach meinem Geschmack nur Kompromisse .
Very Great And Amazing Video!
I really love the modern indycar in AMS2 now, it was quite bad pre 1.5 but feels amazing now.
Hi guys, I now set the link to the rFuktor file to "sharing" to avoid giving permission every single time somebody clicks on it. My bad. Please try again in case you have already clicked on it.
I switched mine to default from default+ and saw an instance difference in FFB. I’m using the moza R9v2
Very interesting had not played around with the different default, default + etc. I have a logitech pro DD wheel. the FX setting seems to be directly related to logitechs true force FFB settings. turning down tf audio on my wheel completely kills the fx engine vibrations . they also seem to disappear in the custom setting vs default +. i think its important to use the telemetry display on hud that shows ffb force and when its clipping.I set up clipping slightly using the in game menu settings for the big sausages at laguna seca and about 1/2+ way for normal turn, tire load. then use the ffb gain settings from assigning keys change it on the fly while driving to comfort level about 3-6 nm in loaded turns depending on car. default plus seemed to be in middle as far as linearity around peak tire load with custom being very broad and subtle and default really focusing on the peak
Great vid Timo! I am going to have to do a more dedicated session using custom ffb. I actually have been fine with sc2 pro and the default ams2 ffb (shocking as it sounds!). My in game settings are very similar to yours especially with the dampening at 50%. Exactly what I use. I adapted the reiza sc2 sport settings for my use w just small tweaks. Again I’ll explore the custom setup a bit more now though! 😊
On my Simagic Alpha, I prefer Default over any other option. It feels so consistent, and i dont have to adjust ffb per car at all.
I also have a simagic alpha and currently use the custom ffb.
Can you share your game config and the simpro config.
Thanks
I have exactly the same feeling with the Custom file, super consistent and effectively no per-car ffb dialing.
I'm also on the Alpha and the lack of FFB info out there makes me wish I would have spent more for Simucube. It's my only regret as it's an awesome DD. I hope they get the cloud sharing in Manager up soon.
Good Video, Thanks, i struggle with the ffb feeling in ams2 a lot with my simucube 2 pro, can you please share your sc2 profile?
I can share my True Drive cache file which is stored im MyDocuments: drive.google.com/file/d/1vJatyMVNXX9qMWNYzScsIrZNf1mOZJdl/view?usp=sharing
Please note that in the game I've switched to Default+.
I've tried that rFuktor custom with Simagic wheel (as "raw" as possible driver settings) and it's an absolute rubbish. Seems that this custom profile rly should be used with Simucube wheel. So default+ is the way to go. Also noticed that ingame damping consumes a lot of FFB details, so I can't see any reason to set it up more than 20.
Anyway AMS2 FFB system is not something you expect from a sim title in 2023. Overcomplicated. Period.
The default + setting gives me a that understeer effect but it gets very hard to catch oversteer cause the damping seems to be too weak
Danke!
Timo thanks for making this video, I had settled on very similar custom settings in the same baseline simucube setting that you were using. I was thinking the same thing how the 1.5 changes will affect that, so you’ve given me a good starting point to digging more. One quick question in your game configuration settings do you have steering sensitivity set to 50? For some reason somewhere along the line I changed mine to 69 I think because it helped on turn in with certain cars and making the wheel more reactive but it seems counterintuitive that that would be the best thing to build good settings from. I may try it again at default, just curious where yours is set?
Thx, my steering sensitivity is on 47, same as before.
I get no feeling for understeer with the custom settings
Try experimenting with flat spots with rhe F1 cars. On my DD it can get way harsh. Depending on how much flat spot you create I think?
Hello
Are you using "rFuktor 5.0.1K High Freq" or "rFuktor 5.0.1K Low Freq" for the Simucube 2?
I've been using high frequency
the old kunos guys said , that you don´t feel much of curbs in a real car on a real track. fx settings in most games are injecting fake effects in the ffb which are not there in reality. i turn it off in most sims. i just want the raw feeling of the front axis and no fake effects.
Regarding curb feel, I cannot confirm. I've driven both diverse road cars and also racing cars (Formula BMW, Porsche GTR) on tracks, and, unless the curbs are not just painted, they were always tangible and had an impact and effect on the car handling. But to each his own. It has to suit YOUR needs.
I remember reading a comment about two years ago from some guy who claimed to have driven a Formula 4 (type) car and from what I recall he said that while the overall wheel resistance was less than he expected, when driving over curbs he felt like his teeth were rattling out of his skull.
Perhaps a touring class race car would be a bit more "disconnected" in terms of road feel, but I imagine you'd still feel [i]something[/i].
When you're on the motorway and go over the lines on the outside edge they make a hell of a rumble feeling to warn you you're off the road so I think bigger curbs and such will be a hell if an impact on a racing track with harder suspension . 😊
I tried your setup on Long beach. It feels dead, I dont feel anything at all for the most part with your custom setup. I'm probably going to stick with default-plus
Depends also on your hardware and driver settings. I've switched to Default+ shortly after the video and still am happy with it. Also better than the updated rFuktor Custom File which came out recently.
@@TimoDick Yeah, I agree. Would probably feel better with a DD system. I'm currently using a belt drive
What is the best Setting for Fanatec Wheelbase 2.5?
When you have a CUSTOM FFB text file (relabeled) in the AMS2 Documents folder, CUSTOM Need to be set in the FFB Games setting. Then when you change the in game FFB setting to Default or Default + ,the game is still using the Custom FFB text File in the documents folder. Am I correct? Wouldn't you need to delete the rFactor custom file with the default and restart AMS 2. Can someone expand on this for me?
I'm not sure if I've understood your question correctly, but the game is only using the settings in the custom file when the in-game FFB setting is on "Custom." Selecting "Default" or "Default+" reverts to the game's built-in presets.
ya you understood. So I guess when I set to Default or Default plus the game is not utilizing the text file at all in the Documents folder?
@@rtimmins7212 When you choose "Default+" or "Default" the game will NOT utilize anything from the custom FFB file - only if you set it to "Custom" it will read from the custom FFB file
Default ffb is the best. Your wheel settings must be bad in your software ,because with my Simagic Alpha Default is better than all the others.
Not for the Simucube 2 pro
You have a simucube sport 2 as well? How do you know what works with his base?
@@labpong7562 Well if you look deeper, Default is actually considered (Raw) and Default+ is (Immersive). DD wheels should be using Default. Default + is for belt/gear wheels.
@@labpong7562 Thats the problem nowadays. Many think that their truth always applies to everyone.
@@ezpz4659b*llshit, default+ just gives extra sorts of input(road feeling etc) to the ffb. It's up to the player if you want to feel the extra information. I'm also on a simagic base, your explanation is sh*t