Micro Swiss Direct Drive Extruder for Creality CR-10 / Ender Printers
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- Direct Drive Extruder for CR10 / Ender Printers
Micro Swiss Direct Drive Extruder is a drop in system for CR10 / Ender Printers.
It requires absolutely zero modification to your printer to install.
Features:
Dual-drive train
Hardened tool steel, CNC precision cut gears
Adjustable filament grip
Easy filament loading
Short, highly constrained filament path
Prints flexible filaments with high speed and accuracy
Outstanding extrusion control
Lightweight aluminum body
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I have just completed an update to my 3 year old CR 10S Pro V1. I added a BL Touch, Micro Swiss Direct Drive, Updated Screens and Firmware Hex code. I ordered my prats from Tiny Machines because they always help before, during and after sale. My good friend Andy lives in South Africa and we both have the same Machine, He did the update first and mentored me along my update. The parts In the tiny box cost me about $60. My machine was listed at $700 new but i found a returned unit for $350. I did upgrade the bed sensor and already had the Micro Swiss Hot End with a hardened Steel nozzle because i needed to print Hi Temp resistant Carbon Fiber impregned filaments. I had several leaks in the MS Hot End but learned my assembly errors and did finally get it to hold up perfectly. I had already ordered and recieved the BL Touch kit for Tiny Machines. It included the tiny BL Touch sensor a wide fat Cable and all the bits needed. But i waited to do the BL Touch and MS DD all at once. Finally the MS DD Arrived. As I opened the tiny box which was identical to the Hot End Box, I was very impresses to see a wonderfully machine aluminum adaptor for the DD installation. In my career I had worked in Aerospace, Medical and Automotive building some fairly high end systems. This part was on par with any of those high tech systems. Uniquely machines from a solid block of Aluminum not joints to crack or flex yet that part weighed so little. and stiff no flex at all, Just a lovely piece of work. I stated to pull my machine apart and over a few days was uploading the screens and Hex code. It was pretty exciting the probe turned red then blueish and came down to touch the bed. I wanted to extrude a little filament nothing would come out. I checked with Andy. The Extruder motor was not rotating. OH NO!. He calmed me down and we traced the wiring. In my excitement i confused the extra connector on the ribbon with the 4 wire E1 wire. And I found the unconnected end of the extension laying under the extra wire. Andy wrote, that's kinda important! OK OK I plugged it and the gears turned but did not extrude. My extruder release handle was too loose. Adjusted that and reset the extruder setup parameters. Finally Filament oozed out the nozzle. YEAH! Now we are ready to go. Andy Suggested the Benchi so we could compare Print Quality and he could asses my settings. Set up Benchi and started the print. I had to lower the nozzle about .9mm to get a flat bed in the 1st layer. Then had the call for Supper. I left the machine to print. I use OctoPrint and S3D slicer with quite good results. After Supper we had to do some domestic tasks so when I got back to check out the machine the print was done. I popped it off and came upstairs to inspect the result. I had some nerds in a few places that Andy feels was too high Nozzle 220C should be 215 or less. We were not worried. The big news, aside from the finish which was flawless, were the details of the circles, squares and edges which as near perfect as i have ever seen. My circles for the 1st time were round, not oblong. the details at .2mm layer height was wonderful. The fan adapter that I printed before tear down worked fine and all the reused parts did the job. I was thrilled and love the look and feel. The machine is reborn! If feels solid and reliable. The Extruder is just a work of art, rugged and solid and a wonderfully engineered parts. THANK YOU Micro Swiss, THANK YOU, the Hot End and now this Direct Drive Extruder is wonderful. They work! They Look Great! They actually improve the printer quality significantly. I am thrilled and would recommend these upgrade to anyone that needs to print with precision. The cost was not crazy and Tiny Machines supports you with, bits, wire, code and online help. Not to forget the Firmware updates which help tie this upgrade all together. Now I can continue to produce Model Train parts for my 1950 American Flyer S Gauge engines "Next Generation S" from Frankentrain Laboratories. I have some suggestions I will send in a separate message to Micro Swiss Engineering. Dennis in Virginia
Would this fit with the petsfang V2?
This is a great kit except they moved the slots for the x-axis timing belt. Compared the extruder carriage on my Standard CR-10, the slots are about 3mm closer together. This means the belt that comes with the CR-10 doesn't;t work. nor do replacement belts. Had to buy my own belt and clips and create a longer belt. Works great now.
Like I said, it's a great piece of kit but that's a really weird decision on their part to change the dimensions!!
Yes I've found this to be teh case on my CR-10s also, I've contacted support and they are sending me a new longer belt but will have to wait and see, my printer is out of service till I get this sorted so time wasted. I agree, why change the dimensions????
What is the weight of the whole extruder (with motor, aluminium bracket, hotend etc.) - basically all moving parts on the X axis?
need ender5 , will reconsider when released
This is going to solve all my issues, can’t wait for this to be available.
Hell yeah! I hope Micro Swiss will restock very soon.
I have just ordered on of these, but I have to ask, why don't you feed the Filament from the top instead of the side?
Will the stepper motor hit the frame of the printer?
Will it be available for the Cr10s pro?
Hi can you make it competible with ender 3 v2 ?
Won't work on CR10sPRO, max, or 20 because of the filament sensor. There's a direct drive print for cr10spro in thingyverse that's addresses for it. I would've bought this but since there is no option. For my filament sensor or my bltouch I won't.
Just trying to fit one of these on a CR-10s and it does not work with the original X drive belt that traverses the hotend side to side across the bed. Support are hopefully sending me a new belt to sort this but it's taken printer out of service for a few days so not overly impressed so far. Others have had the same problem so it's nothing new, Starganderfish commented 6 months ago about this problem but it seems it still exists. Wish I had known sooner I would have gone a different route.
are they gonna make more? theyre sold out right now
Hey Micro Swiss,
1) The kit sits VERY high on the X-axis gantry. I'm sure Z volume is lost because of how the wires and PTFE tube are routed. Wouldn't be better to route the cable and PTFE tube in front of the gantry instead?
2) Can we use a pancake stepper motor so save weight or you recommend using the original Creality one?
3) Why not machining holes for a HIWIN (and clone) linear rail cartridge? Linear rails setup are becoming more and more popular.
Very good observations, All very true !!!!
I agree except about "I'm sure Z volume is lost." I had a linear X. I had to uninstall the Rails and put the wheels back on. I installed this thinking it would interfere with Z, I thought I would lose some. I was pleasant surprised, My Tornado has full Z Height.
I forgot to mention I have a pancake extruder and linear rails on Z. I also, didn't have the bowden from the side, I Have Filament coming from top down So, I just ran the bowden straight down to the assembly.
I would like to see if they can machine for people that have linear X rails.
It is possible to machine yourself, but that's a project and a half.
Just installed. no Z height lost on my CR-10 the tube and cable just move out of the way. maybe if you go to the top of the z and all the way to the right it could cause an issue but I haven't seen it yet.
Does it fit the CR-10s Pro V2 ?
Does/will this work on the CR6-SE?
When will this be available, I have been dying to get one for about 4 months but I never managed to buy it before stock gets sold out. It looks brilliant, quality you rarely see. But it's rarely in stock :(
In stock on Matterhackers!
woah!
Years Later, still the best solution for my printer printers.. It just works, it’s high quality, not fiddly, American Made and it lasts..and Lasts..That’s Pretty Rad🤙🏻
Says a lot considering how much has changed.. And how quickly!
🇺🇸🫡
(I’ll stay a loyal customer as long as you Have 2 separate restrooms, never “Mask up”, Never push a Jab and NEVER, EVER go Woke!.)
Wont that stepper motor position take some of the build hight on the CR10s?
No, it's not hitting the profiles.
Switch to this and been getting terrible stringing ever since. Use metal hotend but stay with Bowden
when will this be available ?
Hello, please excuse my English. Can this kit also be used on Ender 5 Plus? Thank you in advance for your reply.
store.micro-swiss.com/collections/extruders/products/micro-swiss-direct-drive-extruder-for-creality-ender-5
can the cables from a CR10- S5 control box reach the micro swiss direct drive system? or will i need extension cables? im concerned about the cable that goes into the stock cr10-s5 extruder not reaching the micro swiss direct drive extruder
The kits come with an extension cable.
The direct drive Mount doesn't work with Linear Rails, will you be releasing a compatible linear rail version?
They just released one
I just received my micro Swiss direct drive and hotend system, but after reading many many reviews I'm now slightly hesitant too install, as I'm very new to the Hobby and I've heard many stories about having problems getting the nozzle centered in the middle of the bed and also about the stainless steel nozzle breaking off in the hot end and also having clogging issues...
Is there anywhere where I can find some solutions to these problems? I purchased this to be able to print different filaments such as TPU and wood PLA, etc. The other reason I'm hesitant to install, besides the issues I mentioned above, is that my stock E3P has printed exceptionally well out of the box and I don't want to foul it up... I just need the option of printing other filaments.
Thanks folks and I'm appreciative of any help towards addressing my questions above.
Best! ✌🏼
I love mine just installed and it's running
its back out now
Missed out on the first drop though i've pre-ordered which should be out in March.
Can't wait, the quality looks brilliant! I have to ask for when I get it. Do you have a stl for the toothed belt as well as what TPU material you were using? Would love to benchmark my results
can a bltouch be attached without any modifications?
It has same mounting holes as original cr10 hotend, so current BlTouch brackets will work on it.
I have a CR-10 with a TH3D ABL... can I use that ABL with this head?
I also would like to know. Did you ever manage to find out, or try it?
@@rfc1795 no... I bought the Bondtech DDS and it’s worked amazing ever since
@@akura2 sounds good, I'll check that one out! Easy to install, no need to reflash Marlin?
@@rfc1795 you have to change the steps/mm to 415 and turn the voltage down on the stepper after that it’s pretty easy... you might have to flash marlin with their settings but I think the changes I mentioned are the only teal changes that the new flash makes (you have to change the voltage by actually turning the pot on the board and measuring with a voltmeter)
Have you mounted and also have BLTouch?
How have you entered the code in e.g. cura?
(G29 is for BLTouch)
This:
G92 X-5.0 Y-10.0; set home offsets
G1 X0 Y0 Z0.2 F3000; get ready to prime
G92 E0; reset extrusion distance
G1 X160 E15 F600; prime nozzle
G1 X180 F5000; quick wipe
Will be in here somewhere.
G28
G29; Home
G92 E0; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000; Move Z Axis up
G1 X10.1 Y20 Z0.28 F5000.0; Move to start position
G1 X10.1 Y200.0 Z0.28 F1500.0 E15; Draw the first line
G1 X10.4 Y200.0 Z0.28 F5000.0; Move to side a little
G1 X10.4 Y20 Z0.28 F1500.0 E30; Draw the second line
G92 E0; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000; Move Z Axis up
Can you just set the X & Y offsets like that in the gcode and not need to edit the firmware source code? & would that affect the Z offset set manually according to the BLTouch instructions?
Does it work with the CR-6 SE
I as well would like to know that answer!
Any plans for an Ender 5 version?
its been out for a few weeks on their website
store.micro-swiss.com/collections/extruders/products/micro-swiss-direct-drive-extruder-for-creality-ender-5
Needs to be able to support BLTouch...the trade off isn't worth it otherwise.
It has same mounting holes as original cr10 hotend, so current BlTouch brackets will work on it.
@@MicroSwissLLC could it work on a CR20 pro?
Are you for real? Ever heard of borosilicate glass bed and Marlin bed mesh leveling?
People still need BLtouch to get a levelled bed?
@@PhelixTheKhat What does the title of the video say?
I know a little late...
I would like to see anyone with Cura 4.4.1 and Slic3r 1.3.0 settings.
I'm having a little trouble dialing the settings in.
So far, This MS DirDrive is a BEAST. I love it.
Beat E3Ds price and if I already have your hot end sell me the bracket and extruder separate. You will have my business!
We are still finalizing price, etc. but full extruder kit with our all metal hotend will be under $100. We will sell extruder separately without hotend.
@Neil Siebenthal The Hemera looks like a good design right? But...
1) You need two 3D printed parts to mount it and a third for the cooling part fan. So you're adding unreliable unsafe not flame-retardant parts to your hotend. Not smart.
2) The Hemera is completely closed and you need do unmount it and completely dissemble it to remove any clog. Not smart. A TH-camr is complaining about the numerous clogs he's getting with both Ninjaflex and PLA.
So how about that for a 160 CAD solution? It's ridiculous!
Please Micro Swiss, hurry up and restock your website! :-)
Is it ok for the CR10 S Pro ?
Projected cost??
We are still finalizing price, etc. but full extruder kit with our all metal hotend will be under $100.
If this is a direct drive, why is it still using a bowden tube in the video and not directly feeding the filament from the top middle?
How would I install this on my creality cr-10 v3
We have NG Extruder for CR-10 V3. Search for part number M3206 on our website.
Thanks I just did is there and instruction video on here too
And cr 6 se?
I as well would like to know if this would be compatible with the CR6-SE!
Will this work for nylon
work with ender 5 plus?
helloo microswiss... please answer...
Works with ender 3 Pro with stock firmware?
Yes, it will work with stock firmware.
@@MicroSwissLLC What if I have BigThreeTech SKR mini e3 board with their firmware installed?
@@MicroSwissLLC Your instructions imply it won't work with stock E3 Pro BLTouch 1.1.6 firmware
cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1210/0176/files/Leveling_probe_installed_with_generic_or_Creality_Marlin_Firmware.pdf
hurrrrry
They say they're sold out but don't give you a price, WTF Over!!!
We are still finalizing price.
@Neil Siebenthal Dude, the point was they said they sold out implying a price came from somewhere!
@Neil Siebenthal Wow, you're just not gonna let go of this are you! I didn't say it was in the video, I followed their posted link and right on the front page it says "SOLD OUT" !!!
The price is on their website!!!!! You know Google right?
I can't see the reason where a Pancake stepper motor has not been placed to right side and reduce the distance between hotend and extruder eliminating the bowden tube too, this is a no sense, there is a lot of distance between gears and tube , I don't belive this works well with normal flexibles density, I don't belive it !!
Joan. In this day in age I see no reason to type in all caps. I mean for f sakes.
@@Neckster72 Technically inclined enough to understand the innerworkings of FDM printers, but dumb enough to not know where the caps lock button is... It just boggles the mind...
Boy, I don't want to read your text because of these capital letters. write normal.
@@certified-forklifter I don't need you to read my text, if you don't like it, don't read it or answer
Someone can give a good answer instead of criticizing my capital letters, I see no ...
it has to be lot cheaper that hemera to succeed as it is definitely worse design.
Are you insane? The Hemera looks like a good design right? But...
1) You need two 3D printed parts to mount it and a third for the cooling part fan. So you're adding unreliable unsafe not flame-retardant parts to your hotend. Not smart.
2) The Hemera is completely closed and you need do unmount it and completely dissemble it to remove any clog. Not smart. A TH-camr is complaining about the numerous clogs he's getting with both Ninjaflex and PLA.
So how about that for a 160 CAD solution? It's ridiculous!
Please MicroSwiss, hurry up restocking your website!