Replace a faulty Tesla Model 3 battery for $12K or sell the car for $16K?
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- Replace a faulty Tesla Model 3 battery for $12K or sell the car for $16K?
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It's not the fast charging. I had my first Model S for 7 years and SuperCharged it 90% of the time. After 7 years, the battery only degraded about 2%.
But did you supercharge to 100% or to 80%?
It's about number of cycles. And how long the car was in total at a very low and very high SOC (cumulative damage to the cells), the latter especially with higher ambient temperature.
And the third factor is simply the cells itself, there are differences in them, manufacturing defects etc.
How many miles had your car ?
@gnagyusa You conveniently forgot to include the number of miles on the car.
This guy didn’t own a Tesla. P H A T thumbs down👎
I plan to just replace my battery (or have it repaired if that is an option). There are so few components overall that replacing the pack alone will be like getting a nearly new car for a fraction of the cost of buying newer used vehicles. In your example, to sell the car for 16K, then buy a replacement with low mileage would likely mean he'll be out more than 12K and have a car with an unknown history.
I believe as cell chemistry changes and improves over the years, we'll be faced with an option with new packs eventually: more range or lighter pack
True. Unless it's under warranty why have the entire pack replaced. It's likely just a few cells or maybe a module that's bad. There are now many shops that will open the pack and replace the bad cells or module. A LOT cheaper than buying an entire pack.
@@Tron-Jockey The structural packs that are coming in all new Teslas are not repairable.
It's only partly a battery question; it's equally a question about the rest of the car. After 142,000 miles, is the car, with a replaced battery, worth $28,000? ($16,000 that he could get for the car as is, plus $12,000 battery replacement, minus anything he could get for the old battery). That's a question I'd be interested in hearing answers to...how do the other components hold up?
There's a bunch of places here in my state that rebuild them fairly cheap. Gruber Motors has repaired model S packs for customers in the $2,000-4,000 range, which is engine/transmission rebuild price territory.
Problem is that they only change the faulty modules, so 85% of the battery pack are still old batteries. So yes running fine again but the next years other modules may fail and you’re back to start
however you need to ship the car back and forth. That would cost another 2k
Battery tebuolders will eventually be common, but a long waiting time is common, up to 2 years in 2024
Good research, Sam. There is always a way. I would keep on driving it. If it dies completely, you still may swap or repair it.
Get a quote in Australia if your DSG gearbox blows up in your VW ICE car.
Over $10k for a new one.
Any premium SUV with a diesel and that blows up you are looking at $20k
All cars are expensive now to fix.
Interesting, I'd always expect the occasional computer 'error' as these things are relatively new and always being updated. I've had a Nissan not engage the motor because I've been too quick starting and gently rolled back when I expected to go forward. My error in that case and hopefully newer cars will have interlocks that stop it. The old instruction of 'turn it off wait a minute and turn it on again' is still worthwhile.
in a few years "black mass" will be worth 1/10th what it goes for today, because of dropping costs on battery tech.
any investors, shareholders, better make sure what they're investing in has a good solid profitability model.
If you buy a replacement battery pack from Tesla, are you saying their price doesn't require you to pay a core charge or let them keep the old pack?
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Last year did a timing chain on my 2012 VW Passat 3.6. Love my car so I paid out the $6,600 to have it repaired. I had 120,000km at the time. Also did the A/C compressor $2,800.
I would wonder if Tesla had updated the battery management software since the original report.
all the time
It can be more expensive if you swap the battery yourself on the parkinglot of a major Australian airport
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And then leave it outside exposed to the elements for a few days.
It was actually a wrecked 2020 MG ZS dropped in the airport dump used for damaged and other vehicles abandoned on airport premises.
Some smart Alec had pulled the battery apparently in an attempt to steal it but did not safe it up properly. The resultant fire burned three or four other vehicles parked alongside.
@jimgraham6722 what's your source. Or did you hear that on social media?
Given the high residual value of bad batteries Tesla should just expand their warranty to relieve buyers of warranty anxiety.
Interesting point, but I expect that Tesla would partner instead of trying to own the business of extracting that value. It doesn't seem automatable enough.
@@jefflittle8913Tesla shouldn’t care about that, because even if they break even on that process, they learn something, they employ people, and they look good to environmentalists, as well as customers. Win win in a break even situation financially is rare, but good.
Can I install a long range battery into a midrange model 3. Like could I upgrade the range to 310 from 233 miles of range!
It is interesting to see how prices for replacement packs have changed over time. When the Model S was introduced, replacement "85 kWh" packs cost over $40k USD. Most failures were covered by warrantee, but damage from floods or accidents required insurance to pay. In 2021, Tesla was replacing out of warranty "85 kWh" packs for $24k. Still expensive, but a vast improvement. Now I see Model S owners getting new packs for $16k.
For the Model 3, "80 kWh" replacement packs cost about $16k in 2011, and now are down to $12k. By the time my 2018 Model 3 is past its 8 year battery warranty replacement costs might be even lower. The option to replace the pack and drive the car for another 10-15 years is becoming more attractive.
I always thought that battery modules should be swap&play kind of thing, but Telsa decided to go with cheaper manufacturing on condition that batteries will outlast the car and that's what is actually happening with LFP batteries. Sadly, not sure it will with their 4680 batteries.
The EV manufacturers will keep the battery price fairly high. They don't want you to replace your battery cheaply and drive the car for another 10 - 15 years, they want to sell you a new EV.
@@MrPropanePete In 2012 it cost $45k to replace a Tesla Model S 85 kWh pack. In 2020 it cost $24k. Now it costs $16k.
By the time my 2022 Model Y needs a new pack, probably 2032-2037, I expect it will be less.
@@georgepelton5645 Everyone is expecting the battery pricing will fall to 2 or $3000 but the sales & marketing people don't want you to drive your EV for 15 years or more. They want to sell you a new car every 5 years so the most likely outcome is batteries will remain pretty expensive. The other consideration is that the mining companies (Rio Tinto for example) are saying that the mining, transport and processing of lithium will not meet the expected pace of EV take-up. Anyway, we'll see how it all goes.
@@Giedrius00 Modules can be replaced, all the warranty Battery Packs consist of old parts/modules of battery packs
With your Mitsubishi ICE car you could have refreshed that engine for about $3500 AUD. Rings, bearings, hone the cylinders and a valve grind at an independent workshop (not a dealer workshop) and you would have got another 200,000 km out of it before going the EV route.
We have an older Volkswagen Passat, that needed a Head job, Valves etc. You have to dismantle half the engine, to get at the Cylinder head. No mechanic would touch the job, because of how time consuming it was. Fortunately, we have an engineer / mechanic in the family, who spent a week doing it. But most Volkswagens are like this, so you have to scrap them, because they are too expensive to fix. What a nightmare...
@@Charlie-UK That's odd Charlie, I'm a former mechanic and the head comes off the VW range of engines without a great deal of trouble. It does take a bit of time, yes, and it's better to whip the whole engine out to work on. But in the end you have a refreshed car that has another 150000 kms or more life put back into it. Dealership workshops don't like doing rebuilds but there's plenty of other capable people around.
@@Charlie-UK Thats some good We had a VW polo they said 180.000 km max life for the engime its now near the 500.000 My amarok is near 400.000 km.
JDM motors are available for $1,200 USD
Replace the one in the car. Take the old one and strap it to a wall in your house, hook it up to all the necessary D/A converters, inverters, etc.
When my battery dies I will most likely put in a new one an keep on going. Seems like the cheapest option and I love the car and don't want to give it up. $12k is really not much money if I can get another 150k+ miles out of it.
Yes, in the worst case scenario take out a mortgage and finance the cost of the new battery pack. It's doable. It's like getting a new car for a fraction of the price.
The best option would be to get replace cell that is about the same as the rest. New battery can cause problems to other batteries, because the balance is off…
@@haukikannel I would just have the whole pack replaced.
@@haukikannelThat absolutely makes no sense. You're replacing an entire battery pack so all the batteries are new and are the same. If you're replacing individual battery cells, then I can see your point that it could cause problems to other cells in the same battery pack.
If you own a Tesla, you should have good enough credit for a low interest loan from the bank for $12g. Then the monthly cost over the next 150 000 miles becomes almost laughable with inflation. Do the math, I’ll wait.
Gruber motos does repairs on battery packs out of Arizona. They indicate that is often only one cell causes the failure and they bypass it.
What would be nice is if you could get a upgraded battery pack with more range when you had to.
I wonder what it would cost to fit a newer type of more capable battery rather than the type it came with given that the mounts are said to be the same. For example replacing a rwd standard range pack with a new modle long range pack with both a longer range and working life.
Doesn't work. The BMS won't be compatible.
If people view these as vehicles and not cell phones, longevity and low cost of long term ownership make the issue a non issue.
For example, buying a gas car we don’t wonder how much it will cost to replace the engine and transmission.
We just know eventually we will have to lose money on it and buy again.
@@MrChakra108Why wouldn't it be? They just need to update the software.
If the EV battery just degrades you can still use the car and just charge it more often. If your gas car develops a bad problem your range is zero until you fix it.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the battery management system could identify the cell that is weak or defective, sort of like a spreadsheet on the diagnostic menu on the infotainment screen and the individual cells could be replaced. That seems a better solution than scrapping a whole giant battery pack.
They actually do this - Gruber Motors - th-cam.com/video/F-B_8oMZNeI/w-d-xo.html
Software does exist, but the module currently should not be 'opened up' that contains the bad battery cell. So replace the module.
One more point for EV, you can sale your old batteries or reuse them for energy storage; however, with old engines no value.
For sure, because of you don’t have a basement to but that battery in as storage, I’m sure someone with $10000 in their pocket will happily buy your used pack with at least 30 usable kWh left, instead of a Powerwall 3 with what, 13 kWh?
That one is definitely a DUH!
Lithium batteries also expire with age. My low kilometre (180,000 klm) muscle car is 47 years old & still runs fine, with 87% of it's original compression. Original engine never been rebuild.
What are the odds of an EV battery lasting 47 years with 87% battery capacity?
Yours is the exception, not the rules. Most people don’t even change the oil regularly on their ice vehicles.
Yea I agree with the other post. Its nice to hear, but there is a reason why there not that many older cars in the streets. They burn out and ran till they die. Also, to play fair, I think there is a bit of a miss wording - the battery doesnt just stop working - it just doesnt hold as much charge over the next 15 years or so. Hopefully they can figure out how to improve that. Mainly what really kills them is build up / thermal run away follow by over heating them (like fast charging them).
@@royphillips7644 In the old car's, it was usually body rust that killed the car's. However my car has been in the family 47 years, has always been garaged & serviced adequately.
When you take your car for a ride, the exhaust pollution coming from the tail pipe is humongus!@@SunRise-ul7ko
Where I live cars your age are in junkyards all rusted out.
I hate to get into an accident in a car that old..
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A fan from Austin Texas and I worked for tesla factory for almost a year making the brand new 4680 batteries
My guess would be that Tesla got notified over the air that the battery pack had a fault and they told the car to ignore that cell due to the 81% battery rating
My bet, based on my experience with my LEAF’s turnuring battery, is that a lot of high-amp starts (over 1/2 throttle from a dead-stop) will cause the BMS to think the pack is more degraded than it actually is. I suspect it’s because of the heat generated by the amperage being drawn, combined with the inevitable voltage sag as a compounding variable, causes the internal resistance of a handful of cells to spike; and that internal resistance is the main metric the BMS uses to determine battery health. It would seem that tesla uses a BMS that discards temporary spikes in cell resistance, given that the error went away.
It's maybe what I think happened with this guy with is now (Old model 3) .😄 Funny now to think about it those new car getting old too. This said, ambient temperature sag too have can have impact. And too a wire from sensor getting more and more loose or weak. Then maybe why his fault disappeared. This said, more than 80% remaining eve after like 240 000km with so many fast DC charging, wow. 👍
How many people drive more than 10,000 km per year? I'm talking urban dwellers. Not many I suspect. The mean average daily commute in Aust. is around 16km apparently. That's 5,840 km per year. That means a battery life of up to 27 years depending on use. Even lasting 15 years would seem reasonable. In 10 years time, the fast charging EV network will be widely distributed, making battery range even less critical. Thus further extending the practical useful life of worn down batteries.
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While it might be hard to replace a single cell, you could replace a module much easier for less than $12K.
The solution for premature battery failure is insurance. And manufacturers should built in programmable fuses to isolate faulty cells, it is better to have 80% capacity than zero.
Too long to explain, but the way those battery pack is built, they can't do it. if they do it, will cost way more since will be needed to add so many components. This said, normally, battery pack must going down all together as they getting old, but failure can happen and look like it's maybe the case in this and the battery pack do it's job, warning the driver before it's too late.
nope, it actually has all that and way way more than that already.
every single cell is babysitted all the time, this was user error and it's just one case anyway.
the battery is not dead anyway, has high value and still operates fine.
the car did already the normal lifetime of an ice car.
ev's last at least double that of ice in the worst case.
a battery replacement is always worth it and for free since the value of the new battery which costs 8-9k stqays in the car, not comparable to a new engine in an ice vehicle.
i dont see any issues@@sergiomomesso1590
@@sergiomomesso1590 It all depends on the pack is designed. I saw tear downs of both the Tesla and BYD packs, they are not designed to be repaired. The Atto3 pack is very well designed with individual BMS channels per cell, and the Tesla pack is less sophisticated but does allow for reduced capacity without lower operating voltage. Redundancy can be designed in but cost would go up.
Batteries are inherently being balanced if installed in parallel but unbalanced cells can occur and will lower cycle life. The high number of cells in the Tesla packs will have a higher probability of a faulty cell.
I think Elon Musk had come around to the idea of using Prismatic cells because of the higher packing density and lower manufacturing cost. I heard the 4860 cells are not happening.
Please look into the current state of battery recycling in Australia. It would be a great show. Thanks
Thanks for the information, no worries here. But why are you showing Highland renderings all the time on a run down Model 3?
Designing serviceability into battery pack designs would be beneficial to longer term value retention in EV's. Aftermarket battery pack industries would develop to bring down prices overall and would improve older vehicle performance as better batteries become availably..
Unfortunately this long term value building comes at the cost of more profitable new vehicle sales and as such there exists little incentives for manufactures to make the battery packs easily serviceable and/or modable..
Despite short term diminishment in profit there exists ais a strong Market for product brands associated with enduring practical value and some manufactures will embrace this by establishing a strong relationship with the post sale EV market along with the gear head type people who that inhabit that eco system.
Not that the Chevy Bolt battery pack is super-serviceable, but it’s definitely not complicated and requires only 42 bolts or something to remove, and drops right off of the bottom of the car after draining the coolant from the cooling system. It’s pretty heavy so requires the shop to have appropriate equipment to do the swap, but quite honestly I could very much see many shops being able to replace the entire thing with little problems. There’s a really good video on TH-cam by Weber State University that details the entire process. My Bolt battery was replaced by GM earlier this year so thankfully I’m covered for another 8 years.
Thanks for the videos mate.
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My thought is that I cannot see any reason batteries cannot be designed to be able to be replaced, or even individual cells can be replaced. Also, why cannot data from each cell be monitored by the car itself? It makes no sense to scrap an entire battery if only one or a few cells go bad.
car worth 16k: add 12k will it then be worth 28k? option: sell the car add 26 up to 39k and have a new car. the repair seems ok too if other things don’t start to fail as well
Yep, great analytical and rebuilt guys in the EV space exist, Gruber motors are one set of guys to talk to - in the USA, for battery cell - testing, extraction, matching and replacement.
If that $12k replacement is a genuine offer, it is likely only ob an exchange basis direct to Tesla.
Wreck the car for parts - there should be a whole lot more than $16k in spare parts for the smash repair and used EV cell- modules / electro-mechanical repair sector... *the car is as good as done" - on a mileage basis.
Once more Sam is relentlessly logical❤
I think there should be an old battery deposit. Manufacturers should give 10,000 dollar deposit on my old battery. For repair, recycling, stationary storage......81 percent is still good for someone. Even as a lower range expected car..
I think ev cars will have prices reflecting the actual range at the used status. 10 yrs old 150 miles range. Lower expected price for lower range, available
Wouldn’t Tesla replace it under warranty since the battery has less than 8 years ?
1) This is why I still think - and I know the few reasons why they dont - I get it - wear level and other issues - but it would still be nice if they can figure out a way to get replaceable packs with in the whole battery. Cells can go bad and they can cause all sorts of issues - it be way way way cheaper if there was a way to quickly replace the groupings of these cells with a replacement.
2) Telsa and others will be force to give a return on these battery backs in the future - so they can "recycle" them - (either to reuse them or to break them down). EU already pass laws that work like that - it wouldnt be that hard to see them having to do that in the US and the EU for EVs as well. So they give you a % for the battery back - replace and then give you another X amount of years for the new battery.
3) In the future, it wont be so bad. It was 20k not that long ago. So if its 12k thats even better - and in the next 5 it will comes down to 1/4-1/3 of that - or around 4k as it wont require so many cells. We're droping from 7000 down to 2400 with solid state + sulfur tech. Sulfur is said to increase power dens by 2.5 to 3 times what active carbon is providing today and there are already lab batteries out there and NASA also made one - so its not that hard to belive it will come to EVs later as production scales up. Solid states also helps the power per dens kg. More so, it helps reducing the weight and size by half. That means these 4.0 or 5.0 batteries take up only a 3rd or 4th their current space for the current range or even a little more. Leaving a lot of space for more cells/batteries to extend ranges well past what ICE cars can even do. 700+ wouldnt be out of the question. Along with smell over all size pacts - that should allow them to make double the amount of packs as well - mean they more than likely will increase supply - and increase supply means cheaper over all battery packs on top of the other discounts. So a replacement battery might really just cost you 2k in the next 5 years. I am going to assume it will stay high of corse - so between 3-5k for their "overhead cost".
Nice if Tesla would do as you suggested.
"Most new 2022 Chevrolet vehicles have a 5-year/60,000-mile power train limited warranty". Same for Ford. That is 1/2 of mandated battery warranty in the US for low trim EVs. Anything to help the consumer would be nice.
The Inflation Reduction Act in the US already contains provisions for battery recycling, I believe. But I didn't study it in detail.
Some EVs have packs that are assembled from modules e.g. the Leaf but Tesla prefers to build their packs as one big slab of cells as it's cheaper and reduces the risk of a connector in the pack not connecting properly.
The warning message was likely a fluke, I've seen this with "service visual assistance system" and "Service transmission" error messages a LOT, scary message shows up 1 time or a few times, nothing happens and then never comes back, or keeps coming back without reason.
Lucky break for the guy but it does raise a few key points. Should manufacturers be taking more responsibility for their product's lifecycle? A company like Tesla should be regulated to have a reconditioning service which replaces the underperforming cells of existing batteries or repurposes those batteries for other applications like home electrical storage.
The naysayers don't seem to get that an underperforming car battery is a perfectly fine home battery.
It depends: This Driver did a lot of miles in a short period of time. So the shell of the car is still pretty new. If you do average mileage a year, a replacement makes no sense.
Holy Christ Sam that was a lot of going around the houses to get back to the start, But hey I'm a fan 😊
I have the LFP pack in my m3 hope that thing lasts forever. Or until I get another Tesla.
Tesla uses LFP for Its new Powerwall. LFP batteries should last 20 years.
Wont be long before china does replacement batteries, i got one for my dyson, believe me ,it now runs better than ever😊
first thought that springs to mind is 'the media paid him to put out a hit piece'.
oh look, now its working with no error on the screen!
convenient that.
Just so I get "iT" straight ,
WHO is *him* ?
him is the tesla owner who came up with this battery failure@@icosthop9998
Just add a generator on one axle and it would charge itself when the wheels turn giving you unlimited mileage ships trucks planes everything could have unlimited power and mileage
More importantly, Tesla, along with all other car manufacturers should be responsible for proper recycling of the waste products, in this case the enormous battery pack, in the same way that manufacturers of toxic products are currently being held accountable for returning and recycling their products. Just wait and see what happens to the prices of new EVs when this occurs
It won't happen. The battery packs are being repurposed or recycled.
@@davidmarkmann6098 if so, when and where ? not currently happening in almost every location on the planet, most countries don’t have facilities for recycling batteries . It has to be a world wide plan.
Here in Australia with the likes of car oil and tyres , when replaced attract a recycling levy to cover the cost of recycling. Just imagine how much that’s going to cost with an enormous car battery ?
It begs the question why wouldn't Tesla themselves buy it from the customer at a reasonable price or discount against a fresh replacement? Surely they more than anyone else could repair, recycle or simply grind to black mass, more effectively than anyone else? Or am I crazy?
I have the model 3 2020, my battery died at 116,000 miles. In 3 days. Is out of warranty and replace the battery is $13,200
The battery to they will put in the car is refurbished, there are not new batteries. Warranty 40,000 miles or 4 years.
Sounds like a business opportunity. Diagnostics of Tesla battery packs, isolate and replace the faulty cell(s)
I always made an argument that the replacement battery in the future will be cheaper to replace. Maybe the current cars, like my model 3 can get some future magical battery. Who knows what will happen.
Did the battery get out of balance and needed some slow charging to let it settle down?
Afternoon mate
That’s the problem they are worth nothing second hand, then your up for the battery 16 with labour, then the a/c goes, etc . Manly the doors drop hinges wear etc from opening closing, window mechanisms wear, so you get more wind noise rattles etc . Better off parting it out you’ll get more money back in parts once the battery is toast eg sell the motor body panels , computer etc
When people say the car is worthless and will be dragged to the scrap heap, they don’t literally mean it’s worthless. What they mean is the wreckers will only offer them $500 for the car. Sure the wreckers will turn that car into several thousand in parts but your average person isn’t scrapping their old car in their front yard to sell parts.
The car is effectively worthless the moment that battery dies. To the owner.
A logical solution would be a serviceable battery pack, enabling individual battery repair or replacement. Why hasn't that been done: So simple.
Mate you get an additional warranty after your 8 years for piece of mind.
Hopefully I can sell my used battery some day for a few grand
that is always a given, the materials will always be worth it.
and a new battery is actually for free, the whole value stays in the car and slowly goes down again.
this was 1 case, which still had an ice like lifetime, still runs fine, still has value.
and a replacement is very well worth it the value stays in the car, if we are talking about a tesla.
this is already very cheap indeed. this cars last for millions of miles actually.
Follow the manufacturers warranty on the battery system closely and the first 30% degradation rate excluded from warranty coverage. Rebuilding an ICE engine is a lot cheaper than $12,000. Battery chemistry, excessive heat and cold weather , using super chargers will all impact degradation. I would be very skeptical if any battery management software with Tesla, as well as algorithm programs with shorten range to offset degradation as well. It’s a hell of a risk many of us don’t want to take.
If my battery lasts the warranty period I’ll be glad to buy a new one if the car is still something I want to drive.
That's the battery cost, the labour costs are much higher.
$10,000 for the battery, $35.000 installed.
You've heard of ghost braking in Teslas? Well, this sounds like ghost failing or ghost messages. LOL
$12k is not cheap to most people, however I will compare it to replacing the exhaust pipe on my my pickup which would have been $8k in 2016. With taking inflation in consideration it would be over $10k today. So when people argue that EV batteries are an issue compared to ICE vehicles I give them this as an example.
Not doubting your claim, but honestly wondering why it would be so expensive for an exhaust system? What type of vehicle? That price sounds off the charts!
$8k for an exhaust 😂 Good story champ..
I hear they're good Powerwall mates.
Cheers Sam
I can’t wait till there are non Tesla service centers that will replace or fix battery packs. There may even be upgraded pacs in the future that are lighter, charge faster, or even get more range.
If it is anything like the battery in the wife's crappy Dyson vaccum cleaner that I finally binned after having to renew it yearly, it is going to cost you a lot. It's like putting a new engine and drivetrain in an ICE every few years.
This issue of cost of repair destroys the value of used electric cars, and will thus create hesitation to buy new. Not good overall for the industry.
why are they replacing the 12 volt battery with a cranking battery , this is the wrong battery for them , they need a deep cycle battery
U dont get a new battery under warranty its a Recondition pack
Can you replace an older ternary battery with an LFP battery? Cost?
I think battery packs should be made to be disassembled and fixed. I certainly would not want a 4680 pack held together with pink foam goo. It is little things like this that makes me question Elon's alleged desire to "save the planet". No, he is a ruthless Oligarch just like the rest. If you have between 1000 and 5000 cells per pack, and 2 or 3 go bad, it is nuts to throw the whole thing away, when $40 worth cell can give it maybe 50% more life. The battery management system in the car should know pretty closely where those cells are. It may be a bit more complicated than this, but it seems a crime to scrap what is 99.9% a perfectly good battery pack.
Spot on Sam
How did he measure 81% battery health?
Glad I have an LFP battery in my model 3 SR…
I went for Model 3 SR as well because I think LFP batteries will last longer than NMC batteries.
Tesla now uses LFP for Powerwall v3
I knew somebody recently that spent $22,000 to have their tesla battery replaced.
Hmm. I can see battery-replacement businesses springing up with links to the new battery suppliers and the recyclers of the materials. An opportunity . . .
Isn t it possible to go arround the bad cells with some kind off backup up workarround connections or is this to difficult. Or is this a
stupid idea ??
AFAIK Tesla packs do that anyway but they can only deal with a very small number of bad cells.
Don't replace the entire pack just the bad modules... that make up the battery pack.
I would rather see engineering spend time on figuring out how to diagnose, find, and replace just the fried batteries more so than adding range to the cars overall. Imagine how nice and cost effective it would be to simply go in and pay what you need to replace batteries
If Battery is 8 years or 160 kilometers, what happens if you are under that, but the battery just doesn't have the capacity it used to?
the batter wont have the capacity it is used to, thats it.
dont give to much to this 1 case which is still respectable lifetime, actually the lifetime milage of an ice car.
a new one is very cheap already and it will get cheaper in the future.
it is a nobrainer already, but there is no need to replace it, it is fine, 20% less range and slower charging is not an issue for 99% of people anyway.
i mean i charge my tesla once a week with the sun, i spend like 10 seconds to plug and unplug.
if you have a new battery in a tesla the value of that is insane it stays in the car like 100% and degrades very slowly like a new car again.
it is not wasted money like replacing an engine in an ice vehicle which has close to 0 value added.
but a tesla with a new battery has double in value instantly, and the cars are made for millions of km,
it's a no brainer
It just occurred to me that it would be really sweet if Tesla could use its car batteries as Powerwalls after their "car life" was over... !
That’s a no brainer. Tesla? Hello? I know someone from there is reading this so please get on it, Elon.
Well, good luck trying to sell me the car with 150K miles for $16K when it needs a $12K battery, it would end up costing me $28K, will you take $4K? In Fort Collins Colorado a 2022 Model 3 with 22K miles (still under warranty are going for around $30K.
I wait for NIO SwapNGo Stations in the EU. No Battery Problems ever.
How would one swap out a battery from a structural battery pack?
you loosen the bolts remove the battery, put the new one in and fasten the bolts again, done in 20 minutes.
dirt cheap, high value.
but who wants a new battery? the car is perfectly fine, no issues. it will work for another 200k miles easily, and more.
if oyu mean cell replacing, no , thats just stupid, thats like rpeairing an iphone, not worht it.
the product is way to efficient to even try.
it will cost more money, time, hassel, pollution, etc.
just get a new one.
it is basicalyl free since the entire value stays in the car.
for 16k you get a totaled tesla at best, if at all.
a tesla with a new battery doubles that instantly, it is actually a gain in value and not an expense in the first place to replace the pack.
but not needed it runs fine, no problems.
Not sure why this is an issue to Teslemmings. They mostly lease these things for 2 years and trade in, so they don't OWN them long enough.
This is the main reason used EVs aren't selling hardly at all...who wants someone else's problem?
I will still stick with my ICE car,I have no use for a high priced driveway ornament at my age.
Okay, enjoy rolling coal in your dino sipping ICE car. LOL
this cars are made for millions of km's, sell the old battery and get a new one. 12k is very cheap and everything spend stays as value in the car.
16k for a tesla? try to find one at that price........you get a totaled one for that money. teslas are like iphones, they sel lwithin a day, easily.
so so many people wait for prices of used ones to go down, thats why they hold so much value in the first place.
the time is still way early, battery replacement cost will go down to 5k in the coming future. especially with mass models like 3 and Y.
So you replace the damaged batteries in your Tesla. When will the next 2 or 3 degenerate after that? What to do then? Take another gamble? Do you get a warranty? The 2 battery recyclers that I rang in melb Australia wanted 3 dollars per kilo to take an EV battery, and ONLY if it showed absolutely no damage. Worth gold? No way
Recall you talking about this in another post. I am sure what you are saying is true. But then you are looking at a snap shot in time. You now have about 4 companies making EV batteries in AU. These are they guys who ultimately consume used batteries. It will take time for the full collection to black mass chain to mature. In the mean time the 2nd hand used market should be alive and well. Try gum tree. Thinking that is your version of craigslist.
Do you own the old pack after you pay $12k for the new pack?
Only buy LFP.
Yeah good luck getting the structural battery pack apart. Ask the boys at Munro.....lol
I think it is a terrible design flaw in electric cars to not make the battery pack swappable. It defies common sense and hopefully soon manufacturers and Elon will correct this error.
Fast chargers burn the battery, Tesla mechanic told me
Wait till the truth comes out. Somebody that fast charges their car all the time will not get more than eight years on a battery. Once people realize that they won’t fast charge the cars anymore. And that’s gonna be a major problem with travel
It would be nice if Tesla offered an upgrade to LFP for all of their released models.
NMC EV batteries should all be recycled asap. They are ticking time bombs
Why do you Say NMC are ticking time bombs ?
@@pauld3327 unfortunately TH-cam seems to kill the response if it contains a nice reference. Just google Lithium plating if my response did not reach you. NMC batteries have a tendency to get this over time when charging in cold conditions. That severely increases the chance of thermal runaway, even if the battery is not in a crash. Also thermal runaway tends to start sooner in higher density NMC cells and also is much faster (explosive).
So, I recommend LFP over NMC