We have just completed ‘around Australia’ (16,000km) in our Chinese made M3 LR Highland, delivered in May. Our longest leg was 517km, with 67km left on the clock, mostly at highway speeds. This is significantly further than our previous ‘21 M3 LR built in Fremont CA.
mine is 380/400km without pushing too much, as an average. TM3H standard range. Quite enough for me and almost nothing to complain about it. Fantastic car
Ours don't work as advertised, not even close. After buying, we noticed how poorly it was built. Interior very cheap looking . We sold it 3 months after buying.
When Richard Symons tested his Highland here in the U.K. it did not appear to show this. Seems to be a US thing? However my RWD 2022 (standard not long range ) I did do some 280 mile trips in that on Highway. I even showed it on a test. That car was extremely efficient. Tesla should have the RWD with bigger battery on sale in the U.K.
In Richard’s comparison video (Highland v older Long range) he reckoned the Highland RWD was doing around 4.8 miles per kWh and calculated that would equate to around 280 mile range even on fast roads.
I think its in a software, because my Tesla 3 made in Shanghai , model 2022, was showing unusual low numbers, we had average on our trip, including German autobahn and AC working at 15kWh/100km. Average speed was around 105km/h with me trying to keep at around 130km/h. Last year, for the same trip, it was around 17-18kWh. In the local trips, I was getting often under 10kWh without trying. its good news.
As an owner of a 6mo old highland rwd this is bs, Tesla says 515km but I’ve never got over 450 even on day 1, still love the car but you’d be lucky to even get letalone exceed the range driving normally
That range test was in optimal conditions in the high planes of the US. I lived there for a few years air density is lower because of the elevation. I imagine at sea level with similar conditions they would be very close to the EPA number. Very impressive increase in range with the same battery pack. The car with the higher mileage had 3 KWH of degradation. So around 12 miles less range still a big difference with the same battery. The only company who does anything more efficient is Lucid.
I’ve done just over 1,000 miles in my new M3 RWD Highland. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised by the range. When 100% charged the car shows 272 miles range. We do mostly motorway driving in the car and we do a weekly motorway 150 mile round trip in it. After 150 miles it has between 45 and 50% battery left. Even motorway driving I reckon it would do close to 300 miles no problem. Around town and on A roads in UK it would be even better. “Trips” shows efficiency on A roads of over 5 miles per kWh.
Sam the Xpeng G6 is a nice vehicle but, the long range version is approx 250kg heavier compared to the long range model-3. The Xpeng also has a number of software issues that current buyers will have to deal with awaiting firmware updates in the future. Keep up the testing and reporting.
@@davidbeppler3032 no the boot in the Model Y is bigger 854L compared to the G6 571L. There is a big difference but since the cars are almost identical in dimensions, the G6 would have more cabin space.
@@timfehlberg9051 Have you seen the Hydrogen car? It is the same size as a Model Y and has no cargo space or seating space. Just because they are the same size does not matter if the space is not used efficiently. How big is the G6 battery in kilograms? Compare that to the Telsa. See which battery is bigger and how much.
I love OutOfSpec Reviews for doing 70 MPH range tests. A 55 MPH test doesn't do well for testing American cars. I do easily 60-70% of my daily driving on the freeway at 70 MPH, so I was super disappointed with my actual range on my used Tesla. Wish I had found them before I bought my first used EV, so I would have been able to make a possibly better purchase. (Though, I still love my used EV, despite everything.)
Wow! I put £50 of fuel in my XC60 Volvo T6 Hybrid and did 390 miles and took me 5 minutes to charge it up with fuel. It gets why we are so fascinated by range of EV’s. Manufacturers need to build smaller battery cars with high speed charging rate and improve the charging network and it might become interesting.
Capacity of existing lithium cells is always improving incrementally, so it's not surprising to see new Tesla vehicles having more range than older ones.
I have a model 3 SR highland and it has amazing efficiency on a long trip and around town is great as well it seems to defy normal EV performance by getting more efficiency on longer journeys once I do a few more longer journeys I think its going to average 209wh per mile for me i do get better than that on alot of 15 mile to 40 mile journeys
Great numbers from out of spec and a well run test. Keep in mind though, this was a FULL 100% to as far below 0% as the car would go AND guessing they were running in about 7500’ DA conditions which (as an x Colorado resident) is quite common and helps on drag allot.
Typical Elon, he’s probably gonna add an over the air update for an extra 10% range and following that the next update it’ll give you the option to turn into a submarine.
Or the company is giving themselves an easier bar to clear in terms of battery warranty. Has to maintain a certain percentage of stated range for ten years. So make stated range a bit low, and unexpectedly high battery degradation will probably still comply with warranty.
I agree specially the long range doesn't give near the claimed WLTP, does it differ between the Chineese and American LR? May be there is something in the battery difference in which the Chineese use from LG while American use from Panasonic. However the standard range with LFP battery gave over 500 km driven with 90 km/hr. It offcourse depends on the wether condition and the speed used during driving, if you drive it with 120 km/hr you will never get 400 km but with 90/80 km/hr you can get near to the WLTP.
Did this guy stalled, postured, and played hide-the-ball for 3:17 minutes before giving up the numbers: 374 miles range at 70mph? Certainly, the viewers of this video which has the provocative rubric is begging for the answer. Is he just teasing, abusing , or revealing our stupidity? Nope. Evan is just a really nicest, greatest guy.
@@chidorirasenganz suggest you re-read my comment. Also, it's well known the EPA rating for the Highland M3LR was with the big wheels and no aero covers. They even tell you that the standard 18s with aero covers will go further.
@@TheAegisClaw Im quoting Tesla’s own site. The larger Nova wheels have a rating of 305 while the Photon wheels have a rating of 341. So I suggest you check Tesla’s site
I've been able to go 6 miles past 0 miles on my Mini Cooper SE. Its rated for 114 miles. I have been able to stretch it to 150 miles on multiple occasions fairly easily actually.. Green mode with mostly highway driving around 60-65 mph.
Hit 2 miles left in our 2016 model X while towing. Almost had to drop the trailer to make it to the charger. Was driving in hilly area of PA. Thank god we hit a down hill to the charger and made it with 2 miles left on the screen.
@@dogsbodyish8403 Agreed. But the infrastructure for charging station locations needs to improve, too. I own a hybrid right now that gets around 42mpg, so I’m using it until battery technology and the infrastructure improves.
@@GamerplayerWT I guess that depends on where you live but in the US there isn't a single place that's more than 100 miles from a supercharger so I'm not sure why someone needs more range than say 250 miles.
@@GamerplayerWT For traveling even Montana , Dakotas and Wyoming are covered with Tesla and EA and there are many more (youtube will not let me post links). Not much infrastructure in Alaska since there are very few EVs. Go read about (search) "Two Tesla Cybertrucks Drove 11,000 Miles From Florida To Arctic Ocean And Back". The infrastructure argument just doesn't hold water.
@@kevinW826 well mine does - it has an 80 kWh battery, one motor, running in chill mode and never exceeding 80 km/h ( 50 mph). Ambient summer temperature. The whole month cost me 20 € in electricity.
@@kevinW826The stated W LTP range of the Tesla model 3 long-range is 420 miles on 18 inch.Rims. At lower speeds in summer there is every possibility of going way past this stated range. My model Y long range shows 396 miles range this summer though I also seldom exceed 50mph.
Got a new 2024 M3 LR RWD here in US, getting 208 WH/mile, or 20.8 kW/100 miles over the first 900 miles of mixed driving. No EPA rating on this trim yet but the SR RWD is rated at 25 kW/100 miles. A 16% efficiency difference? I'll take it.
I just completed a 2600 mile road trip in my M3 Highland RWD (standard battery). I looked at the Energy app in the car and it said something around 290 miles. The EPA rating is 272. I just checked it now and it says 282 estimated range and it is still charging.
Mine is very different from the stated range too. It’s just over 10% less than the stated range. 2024 RWD Model 3 showed about 440km from Day 1. Still does. No big deal. I always suspected it’d be much like an ICE vehicle - add 10-20% for fuel usage. Maybe i can do another 50km once it hits 0%
1 - 2 years ago Tesla created improved battery elements ... Most likely they aren`t available in all markets, especially in China ... which produces a lot of cars for Australia/North America ...
I have a 2024 model 3 highland RWD and the EPA range in km should be 438 km, but my range NEVER was bellow 500 km, even if I drove on highway with highway speed(120-140 km/h)!
@@davidbeppler3032 Sure Not!So you want to spende around 30k more to save on Gas?Evs are amazing If you can charge them cheap at home!I would buy a nice used 3 years old Dacia Spring Ev right now for around 8k If i would need some cheap Transportation!
@@davidbeppler3032 And If you want to drive realy cheap you buy a old Fiat Punto1.2 Manual with 70HP for around 2500$ and make Service and normal repairs yourself!Extremly cheap parts here in Europe!
I rented a Tesla Y a couple of times ( i am buying a car and wanted to test it out ) and i drove it normally on highways ( 120 - 150 km/h ) etc and my range was always less than 300 km... Add in an alpine road and you get less than 200 km. Maybe if i drove like 90km/h all the time, i could get 400+km but if you live in a country with highways, why would you drive less than 130 km/h :) Also maybe for city driving, it makes more sense, since you always drive slowly anyway... The car IS fantastic to drive though, which is a + but i am waiting for much better batteries before i get an EV
I'd take Out Of Spec's results with a grain of salt. They used a 2020 M3 that had battery degradation. Even accounting for battery degradation, it's not the same as testing a brand new 2020 M3. Heck, they tested a Taycan (which was EPA rated at about 220 miles) and got 400 miles after driving on the highway at about 55 mph. They declared the Taycan very efficient which was total BS.
Out of Spec Motoring drove both the Model 3 Hyland and former version until they stopped. Ie, well below 0. I should mention the 70 MPH range number is from when they power limited and no longer could maintain 70 MPH.
I know my 2024 TM3LR has about 273 miles at 80% charge. The system says it has 338, out of 341, at 100% charge. But Tesla only lets you use 71kWh out of the 80kWh battery. I am pretty sure that large buffer is why you can travel so far after hitting zero and at such high speeds for the whole trip with Air Conditioning on full blast.
Experience: Nissan Ariya - after 0% battery managed to drive 10 extra miles - 16km. The car stopped about 400m from home at 11pm After waiting 20min, car managed another 50 meters ( seems that it reset itself) to get it off a busy road. Called RAC (road assistance), were totally useless. So have to ask close by owner of a house to run an extension cable and use 240V socket to charge up few % to get home (have to wait till morning) . Interesting experience but stressful. After car completely stopped, wheels blocked due to safety protocol, so unable to push it of the road. After consulting a manual found that there is an option to manually unblock wheels but it is very complex and need to be done on each of the wheels separately.
Upgraded from a 2019 SR+ to a Highland RWD 3 weeks ago. I've done 2000km so far and averaging an unbelievable 119wh/km! Thats a mix of highway and suburban driving. My SR+ was lucky to get under 150wh/km on the same trips. Absolutely bonkers! It means I can get 480km range to 0%.
You should research the late Swedish inventor Bjorn Ortenheim. In the 1970s he made a basic electric cart with a unique mechanical switching system that extended the lead-acid batteries range. There are interesting effects in electronics that are still being uncovered.
It's always prudent to have a buffer after zero, we all get caught short every now and then. My ICE has about 20 km past the "zero range" mark. It's good EVs have that buffer too, but you really, really shouldn't eat into it, Especially if you can't get the car on charge straight away, as there is always a parasitic drain keeping systems running.. Lithium batteries can be bricked if you discharge them completely.
Hopefully when you get yours you can do some real comparisons against its competitor the MY. None of the main TH-camrs have mentioned Pet mode, camp mode (including how flat the seats fold for sleaping in). Will also be good to see if Björn Nyland's comments about auto steer/LCC have the same problems here with braking on motorways and wheels turning constantly.
Tesla estimate 421 miles WLTP with the 18 inch wheels, though they tested with the 19 inch wheels, and got 390. The latter is the official European number for the LR.
The 372 miles from out of spec was after driving the vehicle until it died completely. They had a Cybertruck driving with it to charge it after it died.
Driving it normally I says 437 km when fully charged. But it's never like that lol .. city driving I do around 230-250 km until it drops to 20% and than I charge it. That's real stuff Im saying here and standard conditions with strand driving. I'm talking about 2024 rwd standard range btw
Depends 100% in the area. Around Chicago, 60 mph is the best you'll get. Around Georgia 80mph is normal. Rural Texas, 90 mph is given. NY, don't dream above 70 mph. Florida turnpike, last lane 95-100 mph is normal
They played with the idea of increasing the speed limit on EV’s to 80 mph from 70 mph in the U.K. But it would just encourage everyone to drive that so think it was binned . Part was to encourage EV uptake as the found the increase in speed did little eating the range than 70. I just drove nearly the length of the U.K. Glasgow to Duxford via a few places 410 miles door to door one way and back and there is so many traffic cameras or reduced limits or average speed cameras your lucky to be sitting at 70 mph. If I could have got on the motorway and pressed that Tesla self driving of course paying full attention and holding the wheel I’m sure it would have taken a bit of the strain out of what is more or less boring mile crunching. Plenty of Tesla chargers so no worry there.
The average speed goes from 65 to 75 and always dials back when passing through metro areas. If you choose to travel faster you typically get a ticket or cause a wreck. I personally use I26 for a lot of exit hopping and my posted speed is 60mph...which is heavily enforced. Additionally, this road reduces to 55 mph as you enter mountainous regions. Also, heavily enforced. So, yes plenty of drivers in the US can not travel over 70mph on average. My entire region is reduced for saftey reasons as fast impatient drivers are unwanted. More and more regions are getting this and will begin to drop their speed limits as well...emergency responders should not have to worry about losing their lives because you won't slow down.
In all honesty I found that quite frustrating to listen through. People click on the title because they want to know the actual range but it's only half way through you give a number of 372 miles (03:08). You also mention the standard range model at the start but only give figures for the LR model. You don't mention any model in the title. Your numbers and conversions are also all over the place. you state it gives another 20miles at 0% (04:50) but then say it's 20-25km (05:23). You talk about a down payment of $1000 but don't mention if this is USD or AUD? USD is more standard but you do have an Australian twinge to your voice. You also translate 70 mph to 116kmh when speaking but write a correction of 160kmh on screen but that's 100mph (03:44). 70mph is actually 113kmh. You also add 20 miles to the range of 372 miles and state the car has a range of 400 miles (05:55).
🔌🔌It sounds like their new motor allows on-the-fly adjustment through their inverter from a high-torque wye at low speed to a delta configuration at high speed, which increases efficiency and range.🔌🔌
IMHO those are the numbers they should be shooting for along with faster charging. To really get massive adoption, battery technology still has a ways to go. In America it is all about convenience and charging times still take too long. 400 miles along with 10 minutes charging? Many more people would be buying.
That would be a good way to diminish the number of batteries they have to change under warranty because of degradation. It's almost as if they thought of that… If they "underestimate" the range, that will push forward the moment when the battery will have to be changed. "We announced 300 miles of range, and it still does it even after degradation because in fact it had 370 miles of range to begin with". They're clever you know…
They had a chance to stop the old MPG thing with ice cars that was always optimistic at best or just misleading with EV’s. You have to watch Utubers to get an idea these day as the WLT or whatever is just a lie unless it’s in a test track.
Sam, what are you doing. The range is worse. I own a new Tesla Model 3 and the range is 438km at 100% charge. I rang Tesla and asked if I had batteries missing because they say on there website that the range is 513km. They said yeah nah its 438km. They also said that the long range does 550km not the advertised 630km. Great car but they lie big time. Dont get sicked in. Love your show, keep going. Anthony
Tesla car computer uses EPA standard, but they advertise the car with WLTP standard. Difference is almost .3. So if u take EPA 438KM range and multiply with 1,3 (EPA x 1,3 = WLTP U almost get the number that Tesla has on their website. EPA is a more realistic standard.
This range? Which season, which road conditions, which weather, which wind direction, which terrain. Now do itbagain in opposite conditions and tell me the best conditions. Not everyone lives in perfect conditions. This is what I miss with glorifying claimed ranges by efficient Tesla's. I think it is more Insightful to hear ideal ranges in also the least optimal. conditions to truly value Ev claimed maximum glorified range. What I think is more meaningful representation is to hear claimed maximum range between 10 and 80% soc in winter and summer conditions.
If my company has to offer a warranty guaranteeing that, ten years from now, the battery’s range will be at least, say, 75% of Stated Range, what might I do? I might note the actual range, and then make the Stated Range somewhat lower than that, so that unexpectedly high battery deterioration could occur over ten years without the deteriorated actual range failing to live up to my company’s warranty.
BYD and Tesla make about 2 million cars each. Tesla, with all their other product offering have only 140,000 employees globally. BYD has similar offerings but have 700,000 employees. Puts things into perspective on how innovative Tesla is.
It's good that Tesla is lying less about their range, but that just puts them in the normal range of EVs these days and way short of the range leaders.
Tesla does not report the range of it's vehicles, the standard range estimates are all from private third parties, how good they are at guessing the cars average range is completely arbitrary What is important is "Does the car do what I need it to do reliably for my career at a reasonable price", This depends on the climate you are in, but also what you need a car for in the first place That being said, Tesla does not exist in a vacuum, so while Tesla exists there is no reason spending the same money on a different car if it's lower quality for the same price
It's funny how on reddit people are talking about only using the A/C on lower fan speeds and higher temps and not to use other things so they can get good mileage. I laugh at that. People should not have to do that. I should be able to max out the A/C here in Texas, go 85mph on tollways, and blast my radio and get 400 miles. 70mph is not fast. Tollways in Texas are 80 to 85mph and some people still pass you up. I'm not going drive under the speed limit at 60 or 70 just to get longer range. I shouldn't have to. These cars need bigger battery capacity to make 400 miles or more while using everything. I get 400 miles with my Accord on a tank of gas.
Another interesting review. First up I don’t have a full EV, I drive a Toyota phev-which gives me an indicated 67 miles of EV range. However with totally gentle driving this does reduce due to acceleration and hill climbs etc despite regen braking restoring a little range. I’m sure all other ev’s have exactly the same issues and benefits but there have been widely respected EV enthusiasts with the Tesla range struggling to achieve 300 miles range. That’s very approximately half a tank of fuel for me. As an engineer I cannot reconcile high capacity charging into lipo (or other) technology batteries. I use lipos in other applications and high power demand and charging wrecks them in relatively short time. Low capacity charging is significantly kinder to the batteries, and here’s the elephant in the room, who’s going to wait for many hours for a full charge? Some of the largest car manufacturers globally are not convinced that EV is the solution and have been forced to make a half baked solution to the problem. Imho alternative fuel is likely the next big development. There’s not enough lithium in the world to supply all the EV requirements never mind the grid charging capacity needed.
When will anyone stick solar film/panel's all over a Tesla or any new EV ,and run the range test's and how long in full sun at 0 battery before you can drive 10-20miles to an charger
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We have just completed ‘around Australia’ (16,000km) in our Chinese made M3 LR Highland, delivered in May. Our longest leg was 517km, with 67km left on the clock, mostly at highway speeds. This is significantly further than our previous ‘21 M3 LR built in Fremont CA.
Do you have stock or upgraded 19 inch wheels
@@tysonfinn1470 18” stock, with covers left on.
But EV haters say you have no where to charge.
Well done!
That’s pioneering.
584 km = 362 miles, wow! My 2018 P3+ best ever was about 305 miles ... Single motor in usa was rated 330 miles ...
I get 550km at 100kph on highway. With 19 inch nova wheels. Plus it has a 30km buffer past zero
Model Y owners can only dream of that. 273km in my LR at 128km/h if I'm lucky.
@@someuser7501 Thysonfinn only drives at 100kmh versus your 128kph (which I find more reasonable). There's your explanation
mine is 380/400km without pushing too much, as an average. TM3H standard range. Quite enough for me and almost nothing to complain about it. Fantastic car
Ours don't work as advertised, not even close. After buying, we noticed how poorly it was built. Interior very cheap looking . We sold it 3 months after buying.
Was it the Highland version?
I really like the snappy editing on this video it a perfect length all good information without waffle
Prefer pancakes, not waffles.
Mine 2024 TM3 LR Dual Motor does 480km 100% charge. City driving
300 miles
When Richard Symons tested his Highland here in the U.K. it did not appear to show this.
Seems to be a US thing?
However my RWD 2022 (standard not long range ) I did do some 280 mile trips in that on Highway. I even showed it on a test. That car was extremely efficient.
Tesla should have the RWD with bigger battery on sale in the U.K.
Weather has a huge impact on
In Richard’s comparison video (Highland v older Long range) he reckoned the Highland RWD was doing around 4.8 miles per kWh and calculated that would equate to around 280 mile range even on fast roads.
I think its in a software, because my Tesla 3 made in Shanghai , model 2022, was showing unusual low numbers, we had average on our trip, including German autobahn and AC working at 15kWh/100km. Average speed was around 105km/h with me trying to keep at around 130km/h. Last year, for the same trip, it was around 17-18kWh. In the local trips, I was getting often under 10kWh without trying. its good news.
As an owner of a 6mo old highland rwd this is bs, Tesla says 515km but I’ve never got over 450 even on day 1, still love the car but you’d be lucky to even get letalone exceed the range driving normally
Correct. From Day 1 they show about 440km.
Are you in a hot climate with A/C on full the entire time?
Ditto, 9 month old M3 highland rwd. Only ever had 430km showing for range, from day 1. Actual is a lot less, minimal city driving and lots at 80kph.
@@GregAtkins-e8y What efficiency is showing on the trip computer.
We did with our Tesla M3 2024 from 95%-13% 330km all on Motorway with 120kmh speed. Half of the stretch great condition,half rainy.
That range test was in optimal conditions in the high planes of the US. I lived there for a few years air density is lower because of the elevation. I imagine at sea level with similar conditions they would be very close to the EPA number. Very impressive increase in range with the same battery pack. The car with the higher mileage had 3 KWH of degradation. So around 12 miles less range still a big difference with the same battery. The only company who does anything more efficient is Lucid.
I’ve done just over 1,000 miles in my new M3 RWD Highland. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised by the range. When 100% charged the car shows 272 miles range. We do mostly motorway driving in the car and we do a weekly motorway 150 mile round trip in it. After 150 miles it has between 45 and 50% battery left. Even motorway driving I reckon it would do close to 300 miles no problem. Around town and on A roads in UK it would be even better. “Trips” shows efficiency on A roads of over 5 miles per kWh.
You should see what my LR RWD gets! 5,000 miles now just over 1 month. Avg 211 kWh. My last time going to work was 187 kWh 100 miles
Wow my old 2018 M3 LR averages around 280 Wh/mi with less than optimal tires. and I think that's good. 211 is amazing!
They should allow pics I would post it
Sam the Xpeng G6 is a nice vehicle but, the long range version is approx 250kg heavier compared to the long range model-3. The Xpeng also has a number of software issues that current buyers will have to deal with awaiting firmware updates in the future.
Keep up the testing and reporting.
Xpeng G6 is way closer to Model Y in size, comparing to the Model 3 is not accurate. The G6 is heavier than the Model Y by about 30kg.
@@timfehlberg9051 Does the Xpeng G6 have more cargo space than a Model Y?
@@davidbeppler3032 no the boot in the Model Y is bigger 854L compared to the G6 571L. There is a big difference but since the cars are almost identical in dimensions, the G6 would have more cabin space.
@@timfehlberg9051 Have you seen the Hydrogen car? It is the same size as a Model Y and has no cargo space or seating space. Just because they are the same size does not matter if the space is not used efficiently.
How big is the G6 battery in kilograms? Compare that to the Telsa. See which battery is bigger and how much.
I love OutOfSpec Reviews for doing 70 MPH range tests. A 55 MPH test doesn't do well for testing American cars. I do easily 60-70% of my daily driving on the freeway at 70 MPH, so I was super disappointed with my actual range on my used Tesla. Wish I had found them before I bought my first used EV, so I would have been able to make a possibly better purchase. (Though, I still love my used EV, despite everything.)
Wow! I put £50 of fuel in my XC60 Volvo T6 Hybrid and did 390 miles and took me 5 minutes to charge it up with fuel. It gets why we are so fascinated by range of EV’s. Manufacturers need to build smaller battery cars with high speed charging rate and improve the charging network and it might become interesting.
Capacity of existing lithium cells is always improving incrementally, so it's not surprising to see new Tesla vehicles having more range than older ones.
New Model 3 also has better aero... which is just as important.
It's the same battery lmfao. It's all in aero, if you like that then check out Aptera.
I have a model 3 SR highland and it has amazing efficiency on a long trip and around town is great as well it seems to defy normal EV performance by getting more efficiency on longer journeys once I do a few more longer journeys I think its going to average 209wh per mile for me i do get better than that on alot of 15 mile to 40 mile journeys
This has been my experience too. Very pleased with the M3 SR
Great numbers from out of spec and a well run test. Keep in mind though, this was a FULL 100% to as far below 0% as the car would go AND guessing they were running in about 7500’ DA conditions which (as an x Colorado resident) is quite common and helps on drag allot.
Cheers bro I've never had an EV Sam
Typical Elon, he’s probably gonna add an over the air update for an extra 10% range and following that the next update it’ll give you the option to turn into a submarine.
Honestly there is a chance the cybertruck gets over the air boat mode
Or the company is giving themselves an easier bar to clear in terms of battery warranty.
Has to maintain a certain percentage of stated range for ten years. So make stated range a bit low, and unexpectedly high battery degradation will probably still comply with warranty.
@@SigFigNewton the company does not set the range, it is set by a third party of private inspectors
I agree specially the long range doesn't give near the claimed WLTP, does it differ between the Chineese and American LR? May be there is something in the battery difference in which the Chineese use from LG while American use from Panasonic. However the standard range with LFP battery gave over 500 km driven with 90 km/hr. It offcourse depends on the wether condition and the speed used during driving, if you drive it with 120 km/hr you will never get 400 km but with 90/80 km/hr you can get near to the WLTP.
Same finding with my 23 model y LR. 450 kms or 16kwh/100 at 120 kmph on the highway.
Depends on how you drive it though.. I like to speed so it could be less than the actual claim.
Did this guy stalled, postured, and played hide-the-ball for 3:17 minutes before giving up the numbers: 374 miles range at 70mph? Certainly, the viewers of this video which has the provocative rubric is begging for the answer. Is he just teasing, abusing , or revealing our stupidity? Nope. Evan is just a really nicest, greatest guy.
He has a habit of stalling and speaking in circles, trying to stretch out a tiny bit of info to as long as possible. Very very frustrating, Viking.
Mine charges from 5% to 100% with 57kWh measured by the charger. So the battery is around 60kWh, not bigger than pre-Highland Model 3 LFP
My old M3LR does 330 in summer. The difference is significant, but not what Sam says really.
30+ miles is significant especially when it’s only rated for 345
@@chidorirasenganz suggest you re-read my comment. Also, it's well known the EPA rating for the Highland M3LR was with the big wheels and no aero covers. They even tell you that the standard 18s with aero covers will go further.
@@TheAegisClaw Im quoting Tesla’s own site. The larger Nova wheels have a rating of 305 while the Photon wheels have a rating of 341. So I suggest you check Tesla’s site
Now put a kid into the back seat and have it leach the rear-screen power for the whole trip. That's how you measure a real world range.
I've been able to go 6 miles past 0 miles on my Mini Cooper SE. Its rated for 114 miles. I have been able to stretch it to 150 miles on multiple occasions fairly easily actually.. Green mode with mostly highway driving around 60-65 mph.
Hit 2 miles left in our 2016 model X while towing. Almost had to drop the trailer to make it to the charger. Was driving in hilly area of PA. Thank god we hit a down hill to the charger and made it with 2 miles left on the screen.
Sell the EV and buy a toyota.
@@markmiller8903 Yeah, they never run out of petrol.
370 miles ….still not enough mileage for those of us who like to do longer distances for highway travel.
You're allowed to top up along the way.
@@dogsbodyish8403 Agreed. But the infrastructure for charging station locations needs to improve, too. I own a hybrid right now that gets around 42mpg, so I’m using it until battery technology and the infrastructure improves.
@@GamerplayerWT I guess that depends on where you live but in the US there isn't a single place that's more than 100 miles from a supercharger so I'm not sure why someone needs more range than say 250 miles.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC What? There are TONS of areas where chargers aren’t around for over 250 miles. Montana, Wyoming, Alaska, Etc.
@@GamerplayerWT For traveling even Montana , Dakotas and Wyoming are covered with Tesla and EA and there are many more (youtube will not let me post links). Not much infrastructure in Alaska since there are very few EVs. Go read about (search) "Two Tesla Cybertrucks Drove 11,000 Miles From Florida To Arctic Ocean And Back". The infrastructure argument just doesn't hold water.
Wow! 370 miles. Is a great step up.
My 2023 TESLA TM3 long range, single motor does 800 km , but we do have an 80 kmh speed limit
Lies. No EV can get that on a single charge
@@kevinW826 well mine does - it has an 80 kWh battery, one motor, running in chill mode and never exceeding 80 km/h ( 50 mph). Ambient summer temperature. The whole month cost me 20 € in electricity.
@@kevinW826you are a goof, and clearly know nothing about ev's.
@@antwnpowellthat’s called Sunday driver mode.
@@kevinW826The stated W LTP range of the Tesla model 3 long-range is 420 miles on 18 inch.Rims. At lower speeds in summer there is every possibility of going way past this stated range. My model Y long range shows 396 miles range this summer though I also seldom exceed 50mph.
Got a new 2024 M3 LR RWD here in US, getting 208 WH/mile, or 20.8 kW/100 miles over the first 900 miles of mixed driving. No EPA rating on this trim yet but the SR RWD is rated at 25 kW/100 miles. A 16% efficiency difference? I'll take it.
I just completed a 2600 mile road trip in my M3 Highland RWD (standard battery). I looked at the Energy app in the car and it said something around 290 miles. The EPA rating is 272. I just checked it now and it says 282 estimated range and it is still charging.
Mine is very different from the stated range too. It’s just over 10% less than the stated range.
2024 RWD Model 3 showed about 440km from Day 1. Still does.
No big deal. I always suspected it’d be much like an ICE vehicle - add 10-20% for fuel usage.
Maybe i can do another 50km once it hits 0%
1 - 2 years ago Tesla created improved battery elements ... Most likely they aren`t available in all markets, especially in China ... which produces a lot of cars for Australia/North America ...
I have a 2024 model 3 highland RWD and the EPA range in km should be 438 km, but my range NEVER was bellow 500 km, even if I drove on highway with highway speed(120-140 km/h)!
A friend of mine has a very nice Mercedes Gwagon,Its realy amazing,you would love it!
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Can he fill it up for just $9?! Is it 425hp AWD?!
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl probably not! bc I hate wasting my money…
@@davidbeppler3032 Sure Not!So you want to spende around 30k more to save on Gas?Evs are amazing If you can charge them cheap at home!I would buy a nice used 3 years old Dacia Spring Ev right now for around 8k If i would need some cheap Transportation!
@@davidbeppler3032 And If you want to drive realy cheap you buy a old Fiat Punto1.2 Manual with 70HP for around 2500$ and make Service and normal repairs yourself!Extremly cheap parts here in Europe!
I rented a Tesla Y a couple of times ( i am buying a car and wanted to test it out ) and i drove it normally on highways ( 120 - 150 km/h ) etc and my range was always less than 300 km... Add in an alpine road and you get less than 200 km. Maybe if i drove like 90km/h all the time, i could get 400+km but if you live in a country with highways, why would you drive less than 130 km/h :) Also maybe for city driving, it makes more sense, since you always drive slowly anyway... The car IS fantastic to drive though, which is a + but i am waiting for much better batteries before i get an EV
They are using Dilithium Crystals they are buying from the Vulcans. It's about damn time!😊
I went from a 2020 model 3 sr+ to a 2024 rwd. There is a huge difference. Range would degrade on 120km plus. No range loss at 130km now
I'd take Out Of Spec's results with a grain of salt. They used a 2020 M3 that had battery degradation. Even accounting for battery degradation, it's not the same as testing a brand new 2020 M3. Heck, they tested a Taycan (which was EPA rated at about 220 miles) and got 400 miles after driving on the highway at about 55 mph. They declared the Taycan very efficient which was total BS.
Out of Spec Motoring drove both the Model 3 Hyland and former version until they stopped. Ie, well below 0. I should mention the 70 MPH range number is from when they power limited and no longer could maintain 70 MPH.
I know my 2024 TM3LR has about 273 miles at 80% charge. The system says it has 338, out of 341, at 100% charge. But Tesla only lets you use 71kWh out of the 80kWh battery. I am pretty sure that large buffer is why you can travel so far after hitting zero and at such high speeds for the whole trip with Air Conditioning on full blast.
Experience: Nissan Ariya - after 0% battery managed to drive 10 extra miles - 16km. The car stopped about 400m from home at 11pm After waiting 20min, car managed another 50 meters ( seems that it reset itself) to get it off a busy road. Called RAC (road assistance), were totally useless. So have to ask close by owner of a house to run an extension cable and use 240V socket to charge up few % to get home (have to wait till morning) . Interesting experience but stressful. After car completely stopped, wheels blocked due to safety protocol, so unable to push it of the road. After consulting a manual found that there is an option to manually unblock wheels but it is very complex and need to be done on each of the wheels separately.
that will teach you to never run out again lol
@@gani2an1 It did indeed 🙄. Want to test and try what the car is capable off. Now I always keep 10-5% charge as a reserve.
Keep a petrol-generator in your boot/trunk 😊
Can’t wait to see your road-trip video!
Upgraded from a 2019 SR+ to a Highland RWD 3 weeks ago. I've done 2000km so far and averaging an unbelievable 119wh/km! Thats a mix of highway and suburban driving. My SR+ was lucky to get under 150wh/km on the same trips. Absolutely bonkers! It means I can get 480km range to 0%.
It’s not called the highland
You should research the late Swedish inventor Bjorn Ortenheim. In the 1970s he made a basic electric cart with a unique mechanical switching system that extended the lead-acid batteries range. There are interesting effects in electronics that are still being uncovered.
Just get the water car. You can drive 400 miles on just a gallon of water. I saw it on FB.
unbelievable! no, truly unbelievable 😂
Good test information.
All test that I’ve seen on reviews is that new Tesla model 3 exceeds BYD EV in terms of efficiency. Tesla has been focused on efficiency.
FYI: a kh is NOT a km/h. It represents thousands of hours, I've never seen that one used before. At this scale, we would use months instead.
It's always prudent to have a buffer after zero, we all get caught short every now and then. My ICE has about 20 km past the "zero range" mark.
It's good EVs have that buffer too, but you really, really shouldn't eat into it, Especially if you can't get the car on charge straight away, as there is always a parasitic drain keeping systems running.. Lithium batteries can be bricked if you discharge them completely.
Hopefully when you get yours you can do some real comparisons against its competitor the MY. None of the main TH-camrs have mentioned Pet mode, camp mode (including how flat the seats fold for sleaping in). Will also be good to see if Björn Nyland's comments about auto steer/LCC have the same problems here with braking on motorways and wheels turning constantly.
Tesla estimate 421 miles WLTP with the 18 inch wheels, though they tested with the 19 inch wheels, and got 390. The latter is the official European number for the LR.
The 372 miles from out of spec was after driving the vehicle until it died completely. They had a Cybertruck driving with it to charge it after it died.
Snow?,we've had a shyte snow season in Oz, it's spring, dood, no snow. Wtf?
Driving it normally I says 437 km when fully charged. But it's never like that lol .. city driving I do around 230-250 km until it drops to 20% and than I charge it. That's real stuff Im saying here and standard conditions with strand driving. I'm talking about 2024 rwd standard range btw
No one drives 70 in the states… 75-78 to keep up with traffic on most roads.
Depends 100% in the area. Around Chicago, 60 mph is the best you'll get. Around Georgia 80mph is normal. Rural Texas, 90 mph is given. NY, don't dream above 70 mph. Florida turnpike, last lane 95-100 mph is normal
Yes here in Australia much slower so ranges would be better. Maybe also, little air con needed?
They played with the idea of increasing the speed limit on EV’s to 80 mph from 70 mph in the U.K. But it would just encourage everyone to drive that so think it was binned . Part was to encourage EV uptake as the found the increase in speed did little eating the range than 70. I just drove nearly the length of the U.K. Glasgow to Duxford via a few places 410 miles door to door one way and back and there is so many traffic cameras or reduced limits or average speed cameras your lucky to be sitting at 70 mph. If I could have got on the motorway and pressed that Tesla self driving of course paying full attention and holding the wheel I’m sure it would have taken a bit of the strain out of what is more or less boring mile crunching. Plenty of Tesla chargers so no worry there.
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Sorry, but the Florida Turnpike is not the Autobaun. I've used it plenty of times and it is not 95 to 100...its much lower.
The average speed goes from 65 to 75 and always dials back when passing through metro areas. If you choose to travel faster you typically get a ticket or cause a wreck. I personally use I26 for a lot of exit hopping and my posted speed is 60mph...which is heavily enforced. Additionally, this road reduces to 55 mph as you enter mountainous regions. Also, heavily enforced. So, yes plenty of drivers in the US can not travel over 70mph on average. My entire region is reduced for saftey reasons as fast impatient drivers are unwanted. More and more regions are getting this and will begin to drop their speed limits as well...emergency responders should not have to worry about losing their lives because you won't slow down.
In all honesty I found that quite frustrating to listen through. People click on the title because they want to know the actual range but it's only half way through you give a number of 372 miles (03:08). You also mention the standard range model at the start but only give figures for the LR model. You don't mention any model in the title. Your numbers and conversions are also all over the place. you state it gives another 20miles at 0% (04:50) but then say it's 20-25km (05:23). You talk about a down payment of $1000 but don't mention if this is USD or AUD? USD is more standard but you do have an Australian twinge to your voice. You also translate 70 mph to 116kmh when speaking but write a correction of 160kmh on screen but that's 100mph (03:44). 70mph is actually 113kmh. You also add 20 miles to the range of 372 miles and state the car has a range of 400 miles (05:55).
I can't wait until you get your Xpeng G6.
Hope they do this or better with the Refreshed Model Y Juniper. I heard maybe 500 miles with LR version.
🔌🔌It sounds like their new motor allows on-the-fly adjustment through their inverter from a high-torque wye at low speed to a delta configuration at high speed, which increases efficiency and range.🔌🔌
Hi Sam one thing people keep forgetting Elon likes to sandbag, count on it.
Now if only Tesla advertised this.
Sam advertised it for free!
IMHO those are the numbers they should be shooting for along with faster charging. To really get massive adoption, battery technology still has a ways to go. In America it is all about convenience and charging times still take too long. 400 miles along with 10 minutes charging? Many more people would be buying.
201 Wh/mi - 125 Wh/km, 4906 km. TM3 SR 2024 LFP- China.
I want a BYD hybrid with 2,000 km range on one tank.
haha its always a nice change for something to have MORE than the advertised stats the market is now flooded
WHAT about kısa of capacity After years of usage? How much capacity After 50k Miles?
After 200k miles you may lose 10% of range.
That's 10-20 years of driving for an average driver.
That would be a good way to diminish the number of batteries they have to change under warranty because of degradation.
It's almost as if they thought of that…
If they "underestimate" the range, that will push forward the moment when the battery will have to be changed.
"We announced 300 miles of range, and it still does it even after degradation because in fact it had 370 miles of range to begin with".
They're clever you know…
I wouldnt drive when it says 0km left. Low discharging a battery is not healthy for the battery
They had a chance to stop the old MPG thing with ice cars that was always optimistic at best or just misleading with EV’s. You have to watch Utubers to get an idea these day as the WLT or whatever is just a lie unless it’s in a test track.
uh 70 miles per hour isn't 160 km per hour, its 112 ish, not that fast. In Canada we've moved up to 110 km/h on rural highways.
Sam, what are you doing. The range is worse. I own a new Tesla Model 3 and the range is 438km at 100% charge. I rang Tesla and asked if I had batteries missing because they say on there website that the range is 513km. They said yeah nah its 438km. They also said that the long range does 550km not the advertised 630km. Great car but they lie big time. Dont get sicked in. Love your show, keep going. Anthony
No. The TM3 dual long range does 480km (my version). City driving. Nowhere near 550km
Maybe we should turn off aircon ?😮
So the Tesla service center specifically said that the range was below the rating? I call bs on this one.
Tesla car computer uses EPA standard, but they advertise the car with WLTP standard. Difference is almost .3. So if u take EPA 438KM range and multiply with 1,3 (EPA x 1,3 = WLTP U almost get the number that Tesla has on their website. EPA is a more realistic standard.
You seem to make random numbers up to be mad about. What system are you using? Use the EPA. Most accurate.
Range to 0% on the 2023 LR at 70 mph is 298 miles, on the 2024 LR 370 miles. What gives?
This range? Which season, which road conditions, which weather, which wind direction, which terrain. Now do itbagain in opposite conditions and tell me the best conditions. Not everyone lives in perfect conditions. This is what I miss with glorifying claimed ranges by efficient Tesla's. I think it is more Insightful to hear ideal ranges in also the least optimal. conditions to truly value Ev claimed maximum glorified range. What I think is more meaningful representation is to hear claimed maximum range between 10 and 80% soc in winter and summer conditions.
If my company has to offer a warranty guaranteeing that, ten years from now, the battery’s range will be at least, say, 75% of Stated Range, what might I do?
I might note the actual range, and then make the Stated Range somewhat lower than that, so that unexpectedly high battery deterioration could occur over ten years without the deteriorated actual range failing to live up to my company’s warranty.
Why buy a car with a "range"? You EV people are so bizarre!!! Every decision involved in picking an EV SCREAMS NO!!
Please do the Nullarbor to Perth 😂
This would have slaughtered the competition if only they'd added/kept a few things in the refresh to make it more user friendly.
Yeah as if removing stalks saved more than maybe a hundred bucks or so. Totally insignificant compared to the loss of convenience
The competition is better!
@@spadress Tesla probably wouldn't have lost billions in sales if they'd just listened.
Were they driving mostly downhill with a tailwind?
BYD and Tesla make about 2 million cars each. Tesla, with all their other product offering have only 140,000 employees globally. BYD has similar offerings but have 700,000 employees. Puts things into perspective on how innovative Tesla is.
It’s their newest version of their 2170 batteries. It’s not really new. I own one made in Freemont.
My 22 model 3 gets 368 miles.
Here continue
Probably using different batteries and takes the worst numbers to avoid confusion and embarrassment
It's good that Tesla is lying less about their range, but that just puts them in the normal range of EVs these days and way short of the range leaders.
And those leader would be...? You don't know what you are talking about.
@@Dave-cf4vd My Lucid does more than that fully loaded with stuff and going 85mph, for example.
it is kind of sad, that we can run on highways without limit in germany ;)
Tesla does not report the range of it's vehicles, the standard range estimates are all from private third parties, how good they are at guessing the cars average range is completely arbitrary
What is important is "Does the car do what I need it to do reliably for my career at a reasonable price",
This depends on the climate you are in, but also what you need a car for in the first place
That being said, Tesla does not exist in a vacuum, so while Tesla exists there is no reason spending the same money on a different car if it's lower quality for the same price
It's funny how on reddit people are talking about only using the A/C on lower fan speeds and higher temps and not to use other things so they can get good mileage. I laugh at that. People should not have to do that. I should be able to max out the A/C here in Texas, go 85mph on tollways, and blast my radio and get 400 miles. 70mph is not fast. Tollways in Texas are 80 to 85mph and some people still pass you up. I'm not going drive under the speed limit at 60 or 70 just to get longer range. I shouldn't have to. These cars need bigger battery capacity to make 400 miles or more while using everything. I get 400 miles with my Accord on a tank of gas.
Only hit 5 percent once .
Out of spec does its test at high altitude this have a not negligible impact on range.
Another interesting review. First up I don’t have a full EV, I drive a Toyota phev-which gives me an indicated 67 miles of EV range. However with totally gentle driving this does reduce due to acceleration and hill climbs etc despite regen braking restoring a little range. I’m sure all other ev’s have exactly the same issues and benefits but there have been widely respected EV enthusiasts with the Tesla range struggling to achieve 300 miles range. That’s very approximately half a tank of fuel for me. As an engineer I cannot reconcile high capacity charging into lipo (or other) technology batteries. I use lipos in other applications and high power demand and charging wrecks them in relatively short time. Low capacity charging is significantly kinder to the batteries, and here’s the elephant in the room, who’s going to wait for many hours for a full charge? Some of the largest car manufacturers globally are not convinced that EV is the solution and have been forced to make a half baked solution to the problem. Imho alternative fuel is likely the next big development. There’s not enough lithium in the world to supply all the EV requirements never mind the grid charging capacity needed.
Well, thankfully you are wrong about most of that.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 sorry. Please fact check first.
@@howardparker6342 Yes. Good luck with that.
No one needs a fact check anything there's already two brand new mines discovered in the United States you people live under a rock
Why are yall calling it the highland?
They need to replace the battery with an engine and gas tank.
There is at least 3 companies in the U.S. that does just that . They put small v8 s or v6 s in your Teslas... Have fun again !!
Rofl Sam might need check the weather before saying he is going snow driving....it's all melted buddy..
When will anyone stick solar film/panel's all over a Tesla or any new EV ,and run the range test's and how long in full sun at 0 battery before you can drive 10-20miles to an charger
Battery capacity does not seem to be difference. The efficiency improvement for the car however is spectacular
maybe they’re inflating odometers again? 😂