We pushed our MK18’s with EOTECHs out to 400m consistently in Ranger Regiment. At the end of the day, when you understand the mechanics of a gun fight and how stuff actually plays out, your skill and highest level of training matter infinitely more than whatever weapon you happen to be carrying (within reason)
Yep that’s why I always have thought the 1-8 scopes are trash on an ar, same with magnifiers outside of a first strike situation. They just make it take longer to get a shot on target. Watch modern combat footage form ukr, you’ll quickly see what matters most. Targets move about quick and randomly, lots of recoil and adrenaline, and most fights are actually closer range than you’d think (aside from suppressive fire, which can be done with irons anyways). Max id go is a fixed 2 or 3x prism/acog. Otherwise red dot is more than enough.
The magnifier is more then just an added firing solution aid its an awesome recon device that doesnt need to be re-zeroed when you unclip it and use it like a monocular. Being able to see better at distance and still have a red dot and all that provides up close where most/all "defensive" use cases for a firesrm will occur is a win win to me. Ill accept the added weight of the magnifier even if I dont ever use it just like I accept the weight of my carry gun in my belt even if I, god willing, never have to use it.
I think a magnifier isn’t a need on a wide open static range like this, but once you get into the real world with threats dressing even a little like the background and maybe hiding along a tree line, you need it for finding them and identifying as threat or not. I used to have a red dot on my go-to, until I moved out into the country and looked around “there’s no way I’m seeing stuff unmagnified” even at distances I’d typically be fine with the red dot on the range.
It'd be cool to have a camera just focused on the hits that you guys are making. You guys film shooters so damn well, it would be something different to see a little split screen action!
Seeing better allows you to get better hits. What your teachers were trying to say is magnification wont help your fundamentals. (We were just talking about this in a class over the weekend.)
I've been really blessed to live in places where I can take for granted shooting out past 300 yards all the time. I'm kind of taken aback when someone mentions that they don't have a range past 100 yards but then I remember that that's something that applies to most people.
One of my favorite anecdotes came from a guy in the Army in Iraq who was in a gun fight with an insurgent 50 yards away behind cover. Using his 4x ACOG he was able to spot a part of the insurgent’s body that wasn’t behind cover and take a shot on him.
I was about to get a 3x prism optic. A vet talked to me and told me that his rifle in the middle east with a 4x acog had too little magnification at times. I spent the extra for the 5x instead.
@@rilesmattix5217 Did you ask about his engagement distances? Are you planning on engaging a target at such a range with that rifle? Those are the questions you should be asking.
I don’t think they would, there’s not a problem with existing lowers. Not a lot of room for improvement either. Trex usually only does something if it’s innovative or somehow different from what’s already on the market.
Why??? Lol people who spend a lot on lowers from “cool” brands perplex me… you’re okay with literally just paying for name? Even the billet ones seem like a waste of money ar guys never cease to amaze me
What it is, is the "manufacturer" to converting it into an SBR. The ATF makes you put the "manufacturer" and a new serial number when you convert a rifle to SBR. Notice the tape underneath. It is covering the sbr serial number so people don't do stupid stuff with it.
Short answer is if you have astigmatism like me you will greatly benefit from a magnifier when shooting at range with your existing red dot. Or you just need to get a prism optic to begin with that has some form of BDC
Magnifiers are good to make lower probability shots at closer ranges, and PID targets before shooting. I see the range increase as a side benefit that's probably not going to come up as often
I still think binos, monos, or a range finder are better. If your target happens to be someone armed, you just pointed your rifle at them and possibly presented yourself as hostile.
@@dillonc7955 I carry 10x binos regardless of my optic, but even still, if you're trying to hit a head at 100 yards because the rest is obscured, being able to 3x the size of it on command is useful.
@@The_PotionSeller being able to 8x the size of it is also useful... hence sights like LPVOs... and you can still mounts a compact holo sight on top or canted.
I can hit an 8" plate at 200 yards with just a dot (50/200 zero on a lower 1/3 mount so its just a center hold) with pretty good consistency and ease. That being said i still prefer using my magnifier for longer shots most of the time.
Yep magnifiers are gay. They take WAY longer target acquisition, for higher accuracy, which arguably works against you when a target is moving about randomly. For target shooting ? Sure max is out. For combat ? No thanks. Ukr war has taught many valuable lessons with all the footage released
Center mass. Probably one of the most important things I was taught as grunt. Less likely to miss that mass but more importantly it the most effective way to learn when dealing with funding and a limited budget for rounds with live fire. Dry fire helps too but so does having a good buddy to hold you accountable .
I have been using an AP PRO with a Eotech G33 3x magnifier for awhile and it’s worked out great at all the carbine classes I have taken. The rifle is a Colt 6720 with a skinny barrell and a Centurian Arms FF rail. Hits out to 400 yards are not an issue. I can’t imagine NOT having a magnifier.
Good catch, this is slick and smooth. I'll have to think about that because my trainer taught us to close the dust cover on an empty chamber. Thats how I keep it, don't want to mix up close with round in cha,ber (during drills) and closed empty during storage. Still very smooth, again great catch
The Primary Arms 6x magnifier that they just came out with is a great option with an Eotech. Ill never go back to a 3x. It allows me to hit easily out to 500 yards and see my impacts.
@@ReticentIndignation I havent used their 3x, but based on photos, the 6x is chunkier. It doesnt feel any larger on the gun, but it is lighter than my holosun 3x, which surprised me. I havent really noticed any negatives so far.
I'm running a 16" .223 Wylde custom build with a Sig Romeo 5 XDR and a Juliet 4 magnifier. I haven't had much time to train at longer distances, but it is zeroed at 50/200. I really need the time to go practice more but work is killing me.
Romeo 5 XDR is a dope little sight bro, and the Juliet is a 3X magnifier like any other so don't let anyone try to talk you down because they will. Ease into friend, just make time where you can and realize even doing that, you're doing 10X more than your average person.
I completely agree . I used open sights for decades. My grandfather showed me how to at a very young age. When I got good enough to hit a beer can at 100 yds w/ a Winchester model 255, a lever action .22 WMR, he gave it to me. I was 8. Now Im 65, and my vision is not so good. . Now I were glasses, and use magnified optics on everything . Way easier on my eyes, and more fun, really.
Fr I tried to zero a red dot at 50 yards without magnification and I could barely see the dot on the paper even with my thick glasses but in the end I couldn’t zero it and waited until I got my 3x magnification. 😂😂
100 yards and in, a red dot will suffice (although magnification will increase speed), however if you want a effective, do-all build, you can't beat a magnified red dot or (preferably) a fixed prism optic with 3x or 4x magnification.
I love how somewhere along the way TH-camrs started riding their dominant thumb on the outside of the rifle because some high profile precision shooter told them to and now you see it in every video. Shooting 100 yards, super precision bruh.
It does help. It removes your ability to accidentally squeeze with your thumb, jerking the shot. Same idea as what causes you to jerk low left with a pistol. Learned this technique in a rifle class and it help when taking precise shots.
Yep.. High precision guys that are struggling to get even close to center mass hits at 100m while mounted against or on a barricade.. Face Palm.. Really?? even using the 3x they struggled because of "the zero".. or afg's..?? Sure.. Also the circle dot he never wants, and requested a single dot eotech for "nightvision" .. Which gives you no holdover or relationship to a holdover.. But it sure works good when your larping around with PVS tubes acting like your some kind of night stalking operator..
Magnification (especially for the older ones among us with less than perfect vision) is key to differentiate between a threat and a no shoot, e.g. is he holding a gun or a phone in his hands?
This is also the beauty of training (aside from dry firing which is great but can't get feedback)...you don't have to use that much ammunition to get better (more accurate, faster splits, etc.)...a couple of shots can tell you a lot in terms of what you need to improve on. If you're intentional, review your groupings & truly analyze what you're doing correctly or incorrectly for said results. Make the necessary adjustments over one or two more runs & that alone is worth a lot in terms of holds, dope, muscle memory & feeling more confident in general. Appreciate these vids Lucas! I realize you folks are incredibly busy over there (bought some gear & superb customer service, products, etc.) but fundamentals are important & more simplistic drills that don't require tons of ammo to conduct are pragmatic & resonate more so w/ the average individual out here🤙
W/o watching. Magnifiers aren't necessary at that range in order to hit your target reliably and accurately. However, they are a valuable tool for better identifying your target which is incredibly important in "non range" situations. What did I miss?
Such results could be expected at a distance of 100 m, although I have some suspicions, I am very curious what will happen at 200 or 300 m, so I can't wait for the next video.
@@NormieWeimarican Eotechs are nice but they're like 5-600$ for the magnifier. I got my juliet 3 for less than 200$. Is the glass quality and eye relief as good as an eotechs? probably not, but I have compared it to one in person, it's not hugely better. I do like mechanism on the eotech to move it out of the way though
The Eotech M33 shown in the video appears to just be a G33 with covered/tethered windage and elevation adjusters. An improvement, but nothing ground breaking
My go to rifle is a 13.9 with an ACOG and RMR mounted on top. Usually practice on small steel plates from 100-400 yards at the range and it’s paid dividends when shooting 2 Gun matches. I used to run foregrips on the handguard but not anymore since it interferes when I’m shooting off a barricade.
@@reikia it’s a good setup for when I’m shooting the local 2 Gun match cause we’re shooting anywhere from 10-500 yards with rifles. I just couldn’t mesh with a LPVO so I went with the ACOG instead and it’s worked great for me.
I really want to stick with a simple 1x micro prism on a 14.5 carbine, but i keep wondering if magnification is needed... its not but would be nice sometimes.
For practical defensive reasons, your effective range is only as far as you can properly ID where that bullet will impact. Using a rifle with no magnification is not much different from using a handgun with a faster projectile. Not having magnification on a platform that can mount it, and can be terminally effective out to ranges magnification enables, is a waste to me. I already have 1x on my handgun. May as well have options on the rifle.
@@mtnbound2764 The next thing to consider would be a simple scenario; imagine the target is across the street. 2-4 lanes of traffic, behind a parked vehicle. Only their leg/shoulder/head may be exposed. You think you can hit with a handgun, and no magnification? This is a far more realistic scenario than hitting a target 300+ yards away outside of an outdoor range. The scenario i made up here is less than 50 yards, and some magnification can still make the difference when it comes to low profile targets due to a person's instinct to find cover. If you're only shooting plates at a range, that won't matter much.
@@mghegotagunthere is a big difference between a handgun and a rifle, even if they both have irons, i can make accurate hits much farther with a rifle. with my rifle and the 1x prism, its quite accurate out to 2-300 yards, plus, sometimes, if a target is that far away or that hard to hit, it may not be the shot to take. I understand the capability of say an LPVO, i have one, i just really dont like the weight and how it changes the feel of the rifle overall. I know that magnifiers are an option, but i dont like the flip to side or center set ups for them. the ELCAN specter 1-4 prism is the closest thing to what i want, but its still large, heavy and expensive.
This issue isn't necessarily going to a range that has 100 meter targets; but rather going to a range that allows you to actually move and shoot. The range I go to actually goes out to 200 m/yds but you have to be behind a "firing line" and can't do drills involving moving to different positions.
@T-Rexarms i would like to see you guys shooting a SIG 550 or Sturmgewehr 90 from the Swiss Army because we are shooting this Thing at the 300 Meter range
I live in Charlotte and I am a member at a range that has 300 yards and “combat range” (some shooting and moving” I feel blessed that I am able to train out to 300 twice a week
At first I thought all the shorty lengths were pointless until I build a 12.5”. I’m running an MRO and hit no problem even out to ~400 on torso sized steel. Knowing your DOPE.. interesting how many people never actually verify data or have crappy zeros.
I'm 45 years old and my eyes have noticeably degraded in just this past year. I was just at the range today sighting in a 12.5in CQB build running a red dot. I had a splatterburst target with one big center orange dot and four smaller dots at 12, 3, 6, and 9. At fifty yards I could not see the small dots and the center dot got too busy to make out new shots couldn't even get the damn thing properly zeroed. I have never had this problem before because my 16in GP AR has an LPVO. So, yeah, I'm buying a Sig Juliet4 because I'm not 19 like the first time I qualed rifle expert back in boot. Haven't watched the vid, don't plan to, just telling everyone the simple truth that you can't hit what you can't see.
@@The_PotionSeller Just get the G33, there's a reason why you see it behind more optics than just Eotech holo sights. The glass is so insanely clear and the eye relief is so forgiving. The holosun magnifier looks so cheap and cheesy.
Magnifiers are great when you need to shoot past 300 yards. Anything other than that you dont really need one, unless your vision isnt great or youre unsure of PID on your target. Either way, just get one.
What's your opinion on the cHeApEr alternative to the ACOG (Primary Arms SLx 3x)? Worth it, or not durable enough for any serious (wartime/SHTF/etc.) use case? I'm asking since sometimes you can get still 80% of the quality but for 1/3 the price. And 80% of ACOG durability is fine IMO. Thx🙂
You pretty much summed it up, its 80% as good as an acog while being 1/4 the price. Give it another generation or 2 and I think they'll match or exceed acog. Trijicon needs to adapt or they'll be pushed out of the market
@@The_PotionSellerthey will never beat acogs at the price they are at. Glass quality and design on the acog are just better. They also arent the same thing. They are both prisms, but acogs give you a massive sight picture, the pa micros dont, even though they have similar on paper fov. They are a decent optic if thats your price range, but it will never be just as good or better than an optic with super high end glass, an extremely rugged design and thats not limited to a “micro” size optic. Source: I own a PA 3x micro and a friend owns an acog, and ive used both side by side. World of difference.
@T.REX ARMS Can we get some instruction on the proper way to shoot a rifle around the left hand side of cover as a right handed shooter while using the cover as efficiently as possible please? Preferably without shooting the rifle left handed or switching shoulders, both which take more training than most civilians are going to do.
One optic I cant seem to switch off my AR is a fixed PA 2x. Would be great to see what it can do in a dynamic enviroment with a more experienced shooter than myself
Where at in PA are you? I'm in the Waynesboro / Chambersburg area and I have a few good spots to go to, one of which has tons of different metal targets.
you need to get a review video out on the geissele super duty's possibly compared to the bcm and the ddm4v7 waiting for you to post one on the geissele before I pull the trigger on buying one
Can you talk to the reason for putting magnifiers as close as possible to the optic or not and maybe running it farther back to assist with eye relief issues.
Are plans for that barricade on the T-Rex main website? Some buddies at a local club are trying to replace a shot-up VTAC and that design looks fantastic.
4:17 okay so how are two rounds to the throat, Charlies 🤔 That is either fast blood loss, no wind pipe or no spine; in any case you do not need to worry about that target any longer.
Brandon shooting a T.Rex etched lower? curious if this is just something thats done to the armory guns or if this is a surprise mouse-ka-tool for later?
I was LPVO guy for a lot of years. I no longer use LPVO on my Go too rigs . EXPS3 With Micro 3x is all I need 300Y and in on reduced C Zone target . I have 0 issues hitting targets from 100 - 300 in 2Gun Match setting with this combo . My other go too rig is TA31CH-G ACOG With Top Mounted RMR . I'm GTG with this Rig 500Y and in... I run 50Y Zero on my EXPS3 and TA31 ACOG . I know all my holds and BDC Lines never line up perfectly anyways
@@cagneybillingsley2165 lol put away the call of duty, have not been aware of what’s been going on in the world currently? Having a skill set that involves firearms is never a bad one to have.
@Jeramiah870 But, he never said that having a skill set that involves firearms is a bad thing. Anyway, I can understand what he's saying. He is simply saying that most normal people will never get into engagements at distances that would require the need for a magnifier for their optic.
Which is more efficient, LPVO with piggyback RD or RD w/ magnifier? I see most comparisons on TH-cam are only LPVO vs RD w/ magnification. However, that's not the best set up for a LPVO. Would be cool to see a run and gun
I always like 1/3. It's a bit more comfortable but mainly the irons don't obstruct the optic. I like fixed irons (DD A1.5 in my case) on a HD rifle cause there is no BUIS to flip up if the optic goes down and with 1/3 I just dig into the cheek weld a bit more and they are there. Super fast and simple.
It doesn't matter who you are, any shot on any target at any distance will have some margin of error that could result in a miss. Magnification will reduce that margin of error and the chance for a miss. If you can ring the gong every time at 100 m, awesome. Magnification will amplify your skill. Of course, there is a point where some magnification power is actually a hinderance at some distance. PID and shot placement become a problem when you can't distinguish between green forest and green textile because your sight picture is out of focus or you can count the bacteria on some dude's sleeve.
Is having your thumb on the right side of the grip for shooting longer shots really any kind of advantage? It works for bolt guns because your whole hand is needed to work the bolt. But in a gas gun it just messes with your grip while you're transitioning. You can't have your whole hand around the grip and make accurate long range shots?
It helps you pull the trigger straight back and not cant the gun to the side. You CAN shoot without doing it, but it will pretty much eliminate that variable. And you can shoot just fine with it without wrapping it around the grip, even running and gunning it. It's just a technique to practice, because it works, and it's good to have a multitude of skills
@@The_PotionSellernailed it. It helps eliminate the shooters input. Chris Costa shoots this way all the time. I dont, but its useful when shooting at range or when zeroing or grouping.
We pushed our MK18’s with EOTECHs out to 400m consistently in Ranger Regiment. At the end of the day, when you understand the mechanics of a gun fight and how stuff actually plays out, your skill and highest level of training matter infinitely more than whatever weapon you happen to be carrying (within reason)
great advice sir!
How far is the range from Nashville? Any contact info?
How big was the target?
Yep that’s why I always have thought the 1-8 scopes are trash on an ar, same with magnifiers outside of a first strike situation. They just make it take longer to get a shot on target.
Watch modern combat footage form ukr, you’ll quickly see what matters most.
Targets move about quick and randomly, lots of recoil and adrenaline, and most fights are actually closer range than you’d think (aside from suppressive fire, which can be done with irons anyways). Max id go is a fixed 2 or 3x prism/acog. Otherwise red dot is more than enough.
Well said brother
The magnifier is more then just an added firing solution aid its an awesome recon device that doesnt need to be re-zeroed when you unclip it and use it like a monocular. Being able to see better at distance and still have a red dot and all that provides up close where most/all "defensive" use cases for a firesrm will occur is a win win to me. Ill accept the added weight of the magnifier even if I dont ever use it just like I accept the weight of my carry gun in my belt even if I, god willing, never have to use it.
I think a magnifier isn’t a need on a wide open static range like this, but once you get into the real world with threats dressing even a little like the background and maybe hiding along a tree line, you need it for finding them and identifying as threat or not.
I used to have a red dot on my go-to, until I moved out into the country and looked around “there’s no way I’m seeing stuff unmagnified” even at distances I’d typically be fine with the red dot on the range.
100%
It'd be cool to have a camera just focused on the hits that you guys are making. You guys film shooters so damn well, it would be something different to see a little split screen action!
Yeah id like to see that too, all those misses, jk 😅
Agreed. I’ve seen that on other channels.
I was always taught magnifiers and scopes won’t make you shoot better but they’ll help you see better.
Seeing better allows you to get better hits. What your teachers were trying to say is magnification wont help your fundamentals. (We were just talking about this in a class over the weekend.)
I am considering getting a magnifier simply because my eyes are aging. A 100 yard shot, well placed, is unlikely at the moment.
Why on earth do snipers even bother with magnification? Irons should be good enough.
You can't shoot what you can't see
I've been really blessed to live in places where I can take for granted shooting out past 300 yards all the time. I'm kind of taken aback when someone mentions that they don't have a range past 100 yards but then I remember that that's something that applies to most people.
I was thinking the same thing. I did not realize that is an issue
I've drempt of going out near Lake erie and shooting on the 500m+ range by the lake
My range is 100 yard in my back yard (ranch)
But honestly the majority don't even have a range at all
One of my favorite anecdotes came from a guy in the Army in Iraq who was in a gun fight with an insurgent 50 yards away behind cover. Using his 4x ACOG he was able to spot a part of the insurgent’s body that wasn’t behind cover and take a shot on him.
I was about to get a 3x prism optic. A vet talked to me and told me that his rifle in the middle east with a 4x acog had too little magnification at times. I spent the extra for the 5x instead.
@@rilesmattix5217
Did you ask about his engagement distances? Are you planning on engaging a target at such a range with that rifle? Those are the questions you should be asking.
Acogs are the best
he obviously shot through the cover. why would the insurgent allow himself to be exposed unless the cover was simply not substantial?
@@paulfox9694but also frikin expensive.
T-Rex lowers? 👀
I don’t think they would, there’s not a problem with existing lowers. Not a lot of room for improvement either. Trex usually only does something if it’s innovative or somehow different from what’s already on the market.
@@kurtismeinhardt683:07
Why??? Lol people who spend a lot on lowers from “cool” brands perplex me… you’re okay with literally just paying for name? Even the billet ones seem like a waste of money ar guys never cease to amaze me
You mean painted Andersons?
What it is, is the "manufacturer" to converting it into an SBR. The ATF makes you put the "manufacturer" and a new serial number when you convert a rifle to SBR. Notice the tape underneath. It is covering the sbr serial number so people don't do stupid stuff with it.
Short answer is if you have astigmatism like me you will greatly benefit from a magnifier when shooting at range with your existing red dot. Or you just need to get a prism optic to begin with that has some form of BDC
Magnifiers are good to make lower probability shots at closer ranges, and PID targets before shooting. I see the range increase as a side benefit that's probably not going to come up as often
Well more often depends but ok say someone holding someone basically you give a apple it's done but for most red dot does the job
I still think binos, monos, or a range finder are better. If your target happens to be someone armed, you just pointed your rifle at them and possibly presented yourself as hostile.
@@dillonc7955 I carry 10x binos regardless of my optic, but even still, if you're trying to hit a head at 100 yards because the rest is obscured, being able to 3x the size of it on command is useful.
@@The_PotionSeller being able to 8x the size of it is also useful... hence sights like LPVOs... and you can still mounts a compact holo sight on top or canted.
@@dillonc7955you know you can take off magnifiers and use them as monos.
I can hit an 8" plate at 200 yards with just a dot (50/200 zero on a lower 1/3 mount so its just a center hold) with pretty good consistency and ease. That being said i still prefer using my magnifier for longer shots most of the time.
Yep magnifiers are gay. They take WAY longer target acquisition, for higher accuracy, which arguably works against you when a target is moving about randomly.
For target shooting ? Sure max is out. For combat ? No thanks. Ukr war has taught many valuable lessons with all the footage released
@@carsonhunt4642 did you read my comment? I said it CAN be done on the flat range that's it. Lol. Calm down.
@@carsonhunt4642good luck seeing what you're shooting at with magnification. Try doing it with an unpainted target.
100%, broski. I took off my 1-6 and zero'd my eotech with the 50/200. It's like a frikkin' laser!
@@americanball_2841 100%
Center mass. Probably one of the most important things I was taught as grunt. Less likely to miss that mass but more importantly it the most effective way to learn when dealing with funding and a limited budget for rounds with live fire. Dry fire helps too but so does having a good buddy to hold you accountable .
I have been using an AP PRO with a Eotech G33 3x magnifier for awhile and it’s worked out great at all the carbine classes I have taken. The rifle is a Colt 6720 with a skinny barrell and a Centurian Arms FF rail. Hits out to 400 yards are not an issue. I can’t imagine NOT having a magnifier.
I like how Brandon engages safety and closes dust cover with one smooth move.
I guess I will incorporate this.
Good catch, this is slick and smooth. I'll have to think about that because my trainer taught us to close the dust cover on an empty chamber. Thats how I keep it, don't want to mix up close with round in cha,ber (during drills) and closed empty during storage. Still very smooth, again great catch
It's a good habit. The AR15 is basically jam proof as long as the cover is closed.
I'm f'ing left handed 😢 😅
@@GTFBITKright handed but left eye dominant here
The Primary Arms 6x magnifier that they just came out with is a great option with an Eotech. Ill never go back to a 3x. It allows me to hit easily out to 500 yards and see my impacts.
Yeah, 6x would be awesome, but apparently they have worse eyeboxes. I’ve only ever used 3x, so i can’t say for sure
6x is a weird niche where your eye box is going to be strained due to the small exit pupil and the magnification will be overkill inside 500
@@Bisley1 My primary arms 6x has the same eye box as my 3x holosun. At least I dont notice a difference.
@@poortac5568 How does it fair vs the full size 3x version? I have that full size 3x by Primary Arms and it's good as far as 3x magnifiers go.
@@ReticentIndignation I havent used their 3x, but based on photos, the 6x is chunkier. It doesnt feel any larger on the gun, but it is lighter than my holosun 3x, which surprised me. I havent really noticed any negatives so far.
This guy is high speed, done more tours than anybody. Truly the BEST person to learn from on the ENTIRE internet!
I put a 3x magnifier behind my 1-6 LPVO! Smokin'!!
Wtf seriously?
That's double tactical bro.
@@GTFBITK Tacticool brother!
@@AllTheDips Works great! try it!!
You need a 3-18x to put your magnifier behind. Run the Hubble telescope on your primary gun
I'm running a 16" .223 Wylde custom build with a Sig Romeo 5 XDR and a Juliet 4 magnifier. I haven't had much time to train at longer distances, but it is zeroed at 50/200. I really need the time to go practice more but work is killing me.
Romeo 5 XDR is a dope little sight bro, and the Juliet is a 3X magnifier like any other so don't let anyone try to talk you down because they will. Ease into friend, just make time where you can and realize even doing that, you're doing 10X more than your average person.
same, wish I had time and funds to train long-distance, can only get to the local range once in awhile
Depends on your eyesight too
I hope you get glasses before you go to the range if you need them.
@@MrTekniqs
Needing to wear glasses doesn't mean that someone is or nearly legally blind
I completely agree . I used open sights for decades. My grandfather showed me how to at a very young age. When I got good enough to hit a beer can at 100 yds w/ a Winchester model 255, a lever action .22 WMR, he gave it to me. I was 8. Now Im 65, and my vision is not so good. . Now I were glasses, and use magnified optics on everything . Way easier on my eyes, and more fun, really.
@@MrTekniqs I play airsoft without glasses and I can identify friend from pho beyond 100 meters.. lol
Fr I tried to zero a red dot at 50 yards without magnification and I could barely see the dot on the paper even with my thick glasses but in the end I couldn’t zero it and waited until I got my 3x magnification. 😂😂
Constellis shirt is a subtle flex. Nice.
Hitting a high contrast target at 100 or 200 is one thing. Paint that target green and stick it 5 feet back in the wood line. Shoot it then.
I’m color deficient, so this is where thermal optics would be useful for me lmao
Is that a new Eotech Magnifier that Lucas can’t talk about yet!? 👀
100 yards and in, a red dot will suffice (although magnification will increase speed), however if you want a effective, do-all build, you can't beat a magnified red dot or (preferably) a fixed prism optic with 3x or 4x magnification.
8:35 why is tape on the eotech?
I want to know why as well.
Cover the yellow warning label
I love how somewhere along the way TH-camrs started riding their dominant thumb on the outside of the rifle because some high profile precision shooter told them to and now you see it in every video. Shooting 100 yards, super precision bruh.
It does help. It removes your ability to accidentally squeeze with your thumb, jerking the shot. Same idea as what causes you to jerk low left with a pistol. Learned this technique in a rifle class and it help when taking precise shots.
@@poortac5568 I know. I’m just talking trash. It funny how trends blaze through the GunTube community
Yep.. High precision guys that are struggling to get even close to center mass hits at 100m while mounted against or on a barricade.. Face Palm.. Really?? even using the 3x they struggled because of "the zero".. or afg's..?? Sure.. Also the circle dot he never wants, and requested a single dot eotech for "nightvision" .. Which gives you no holdover or relationship to a holdover.. But it sure works good when your larping around with PVS tubes acting like your some kind of night stalking operator..
Magnification (especially for the older ones among us with less than perfect vision) is key to differentiate between a threat and a no shoot, e.g. is he holding a gun or a phone in his hands?
We come here to watch Brandon now, not even gonna lie.
Yes. He's handsome.
..... whelp... this just got weird
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This is also the beauty of training (aside from dry firing which is great but can't get feedback)...you don't have to use that much ammunition to get better (more accurate, faster splits, etc.)...a couple of shots can tell you a lot in terms of what you need to improve on. If you're intentional, review your groupings & truly analyze what you're doing correctly or incorrectly for said results. Make the necessary adjustments over one or two more runs & that alone is worth a lot in terms of holds, dope, muscle memory & feeling more confident in general. Appreciate these vids Lucas! I realize you folks are incredibly busy over there (bought some gear & superb customer service, products, etc.) but fundamentals are important & more simplistic drills that don't require tons of ammo to conduct are pragmatic & resonate more so w/ the average individual out here🤙
PID is critical. You don't need it but I want it. A 5/3X Eotech Magnifier is on all of my serious Pews. Love your videos keep them coming.
W/o watching. Magnifiers aren't necessary at that range in order to hit your target reliably and accurately. However, they are a valuable tool for better identifying your target which is incredibly important in "non range" situations. What did I miss?
Such results could be expected at a distance of 100 m, although I have some suspicions, I am very curious what will happen at 200 or 300 m, so I can't wait for the next video.
EXPS3-0 + G33 = good to go 🤙
I cheaped out with a micro juliet 3 and it pairs perfectly with my eotech.
wish the 5x was available when I got my G33, would prefer the 5x
@@wasdawasda3849 good to know. Im looking at alternatives to the eotech 3x.
@@NormieWeimarican Eotechs are nice but they're like 5-600$ for the magnifier. I got my juliet 3 for less than 200$. Is the glass quality and eye relief as good as an eotechs? probably not, but I have compared it to one in person, it's not hugely better.
I do like mechanism on the eotech to move it out of the way though
NEED a magnifier or can you benefit from one? It's relevant to both skill and need for accuracy.
Why not just Use a 1-6 scope?
@@anthonyboatright6960 because the 1x will never be as good as a dot, and night vision through an lpvo sucks
@@The_PotionSellerdon't forget the eyebox
The Eotech M33 shown in the video appears to just be a G33 with covered/tethered windage and elevation adjusters. An improvement, but nothing ground breaking
My go to rifle is a 13.9 with an ACOG and RMR mounted on top. Usually practice on small steel plates from 100-400 yards at the range and it’s paid dividends when shooting 2 Gun matches. I used to run foregrips on the handguard but not anymore since it interferes when I’m shooting off a barricade.
ive never seen a rifle setup this way. kinda intresting and gives me an airsoft gun idea lol
@@reikia it’s a good setup for when I’m shooting the local 2 Gun match cause we’re shooting anywhere from 10-500 yards with rifles. I just couldn’t mesh with a LPVO so I went with the ACOG instead and it’s worked great for me.
I really want to stick with a simple 1x micro prism on a 14.5 carbine, but i keep wondering if magnification is needed... its not but would be nice sometimes.
Throw a magnifier behind it relatively cheap ones work
For practical defensive reasons, your effective range is only as far as you can properly ID where that bullet will impact. Using a rifle with no magnification is not much different from using a handgun with a faster projectile. Not having magnification on a platform that can mount it, and can be terminally effective out to ranges magnification enables, is a waste to me.
I already have 1x on my handgun. May as well have options on the rifle.
@@mghegotagun interesting opinion.
@@mtnbound2764
The next thing to consider would be a simple scenario; imagine the target is across the street. 2-4 lanes of traffic, behind a parked vehicle. Only their leg/shoulder/head may be exposed. You think you can hit with a handgun, and no magnification? This is a far more realistic scenario than hitting a target 300+ yards away outside of an outdoor range. The scenario i made up here is less than 50 yards, and some magnification can still make the difference when it comes to low profile targets due to a person's instinct to find cover. If you're only shooting plates at a range, that won't matter much.
@@mghegotagunthere is a big difference between a handgun and a rifle, even if they both have irons, i can make accurate hits much farther with a rifle. with my rifle and the 1x prism, its quite accurate out to 2-300 yards, plus, sometimes, if a target is that far away or that hard to hit, it may not be the shot to take. I understand the capability of say an LPVO, i have one, i just really dont like the weight and how it changes the feel of the rifle overall. I know that magnifiers are an option, but i dont like the flip to side or center set ups for them. the ELCAN specter 1-4 prism is the closest thing to what i want, but its still large, heavy and expensive.
This issue isn't necessarily going to a range that has 100 meter targets; but rather going to a range that allows you to actually move and shoot. The range I go to actually goes out to 200 m/yds but you have to be behind a "firing line" and can't do drills involving moving to different positions.
@T-Rexarms i would like to see you guys shooting a SIG 550 or Sturmgewehr 90 from the Swiss Army because we are shooting this Thing at the 300 Meter range
I live in Charlotte and I am a member at a range that has 300 yards and “combat range” (some shooting and moving”
I feel blessed that I am able to train out to 300 twice a week
I love my Eotech 5x Magnifier. I helps me get out to 400 yards on ipsc steel consistently.
I've been considering switching my G33 to a G45 on my block 1.5. Any downsides to the G45 you've noticed
At first I thought all the shorty lengths were pointless until I build a 12.5”. I’m running an MRO and hit no problem even out to ~400 on torso sized steel. Knowing your DOPE.. interesting how many people never actually verify data or have crappy zeros.
12.5 is the way
I'm 45 years old and my eyes have noticeably degraded in just this past year. I was just at the range today sighting in a 12.5in CQB build running a red dot. I had a splatterburst target with one big center orange dot and four smaller dots at 12, 3, 6, and 9. At fifty yards I could not see the small dots and the center dot got too busy to make out new shots couldn't even get the damn thing properly zeroed. I have never had this problem before because my 16in GP AR has an LPVO. So, yeah, I'm buying a Sig Juliet4 because I'm not 19 like the first time I qualed rifle expert back in boot. Haven't watched the vid, don't plan to, just telling everyone the simple truth that you can't hit what you can't see.
Excellent video! I’m making shots out to 300 pretty regularly with my 11.5 with just a EXPS. But gonna add a magnifier here soon
I'm rocking an eotech too, and even throwing a holosun magnifier behind it ups the capability levels quite a bit
EXPS3 with G33 & Unity mounts…absolutely awesome setup
long distance engagements in a civilian context is mostly a fantasy
@@cagneybillingsley2165 not if you hunt with it. I regularly drop deer with 300 blackout in both a bolt action rifle and my AR.
@@The_PotionSeller Just get the G33, there's a reason why you see it behind more optics than just Eotech holo sights. The glass is so insanely clear and the eye relief is so forgiving. The holosun magnifier looks so cheap and cheesy.
See what the Sabre can do. You teased us with it a few videos back!
I want to see the paint jobs on these carbines. The greens mixed with fde look sick
Magnifiers are great when you need to shoot past 300 yards. Anything other than that you dont really need one, unless your vision isnt great or youre unsure of PID on your target. Either way, just get one.
the amount of shell casings on the ground trigger my Baghdad flashbacks
What's your opinion on the cHeApEr alternative to the ACOG (Primary Arms SLx 3x)?
Worth it, or not durable enough for any serious (wartime/SHTF/etc.) use case?
I'm asking since sometimes you can get still 80% of the quality but for 1/3 the price. And 80% of ACOG durability is fine IMO. Thx🙂
Buy a acog if you want an acog
You pretty much summed it up, its 80% as good as an acog while being 1/4 the price. Give it another generation or 2 and I think they'll match or exceed acog.
Trijicon needs to adapt or they'll be pushed out of the market
@@The_PotionSellerthey will never beat acogs at the price they are at. Glass quality and design on the acog are just better. They also arent the same thing. They are both prisms, but acogs give you a massive sight picture, the pa micros dont, even though they have similar on paper fov. They are a decent optic if thats your price range, but it will never be just as good or better than an optic with super high end glass, an extremely rugged design and thats not limited to a “micro” size optic. Source: I own a PA 3x micro and a friend owns an acog, and ive used both side by side. World of difference.
The PA mount is pot metal but it can be put on the smaller Acog mount so easy to fix. Brings the price up though obviously.
Magnifiers help with zeroing and PID and those with aging vision:)
I really gotta know, what is that tape gun he uses to cover impacts on the target with?
Towa APN-30
Why's his PEQ-15 behind his button?
@T.REX ARMS Can we get some instruction on the proper way to shoot a rifle around the left hand side of cover as a right handed shooter while using the cover as efficiently as possible please? Preferably without shooting the rifle left handed or switching shoulders, both which take more training than most civilians are going to do.
As always your content doesn’t disappoint, it’s like must watch tv.
Interested in seeing a build list on Lucas’ rifle
@1:15 TREXARMS branded lower reciever? 👀
One optic I cant seem to switch off my AR is a fixed PA 2x. Would be great to see what it can do in a dynamic enviroment with a more experienced shooter than myself
Best show from all what I had see from u Lucas waiting 300 m 400 m
I haven't thought to add a forward grip to my AR, but I think I'd go with the BCM (mostly) vertical grip. I need to find a long range here in PA
Where at in PA are you? I'm in the Waynesboro / Chambersburg area and I have a few good spots to go to, one of which has tons of different metal targets.
you need to get a review video out on the geissele super duty's possibly compared to the bcm and the ddm4v7 waiting for you to post one on the geissele before I pull the trigger on buying one
Can you talk to the reason for putting magnifiers as close as possible to the optic or not and maybe running it farther back to assist with eye relief issues.
I honestly use it more for target identification over anything.
Can you do more videos using bags?
Are plans for that barricade on the T-Rex main website? Some buddies at a local club are trying to replace a shot-up VTAC and that design looks fantastic.
What is that hand stop on the other guys rifle? I like it
4:17 okay so how are two rounds to the throat, Charlies 🤔
That is either fast blood loss, no wind pipe or no spine; in any case you do not need to worry about that target any longer.
Brandon shooting a T.Rex etched lower? curious if this is just something thats done to the armory guns or if this is a surprise mouse-ka-tool for later?
where can i get that tape apparatus you use to cover the holes
Lucas, I noticed you shut your eyes several times prior to the shot. Think that's because you weren't wearing eyepro and the sting was getting to you?
Slightly after. Yes, it’s the suppressor gas
What can was Lucas using?
Surefire can
what's the weight of those setups without a magazine?
2:54 diddy has entered the chat
Anyone know the brand of label gun that they are using to mark there targets?
Pls make a video about Thermal units
Absolutely 💯
My wallet is crying.... why would you make my wallet cry?
I was LPVO guy for a lot of years. I no longer use LPVO on my Go too rigs . EXPS3 With Micro 3x is all I need 300Y and in on reduced C Zone target . I have 0 issues hitting targets from 100 - 300 in 2Gun Match setting with this combo .
My other go too rig is TA31CH-G ACOG With Top Mounted RMR . I'm GTG with this Rig 500Y and in...
I run 50Y Zero on my EXPS3 and TA31 ACOG . I know all my holds and BDC Lines never line up perfectly anyways
At 8:29 is that an EXPS3-0? Sounded like thats what lucas was describing.
No. He’s talking about the EXPS3-1. It doesn’t have the 68 MOA Ring. Just a MOA Dot.
@@ChoppyGang ohhh cool
I need those target tape guns does anyone have a link please
What's the style of music you guys use in your shooting montages?
It all depends on what your intended purpose for the weapon platform is or what role you need it to fill.
Nice video...
exactly and most civilians don't need it and neither would they benefit from it. people need to put away the call of duty and step back to reality
@@cagneybillingsley2165 lol put away the call of duty, have not been aware of what’s been going on in the world currently? Having a skill set that involves firearms is never a bad one to have.
@@Jeramiah870 Where in his reply did he say that?
@@Knight_of_the_Old_Code “people need to put away the call of duty and step back to reality” last sentence in his comment?
@Jeramiah870 But, he never said that having a skill set that involves firearms is a bad thing. Anyway, I can understand what he's saying. He is simply saying that most normal people will never get into engagements at distances that would require the need for a magnifier for their optic.
Nice video Lucas
Do you have any opinions on the 3x vs the 5x?
after using the 3x on my MK18 I'd prefer a 5x
What we really need to know is where to get that tape dispenser.
Towa APN-30
The more I see your videos the more I realize they are specifically for new shooters
@TREXARM thank you for the offer. I make my own holsters though
Which is more efficient, LPVO with piggyback RD or RD w/ magnifier? I see most comparisons on TH-cam are only LPVO vs RD w/ magnification. However, that's not the best set up for a LPVO. Would be cool to see a run and gun
video is 2 min, and it was uploaded 2 min ago how are there full views ...
Magnification is important. Unless you are in a building there is always the potential need to take a shot at extended distances.
I've run slick on the bottom of my hand guard for years now. I just got more use out of using the AR15 like a rifle, and not a sub-gun.
Is that a label dispenser? lol if so great idea im going to get me one
One of the better videos. Man! Learned a lot. Good stuff
What brand is that bag at the end of the video?
What is the purpose of the tape Lucas always puts on top of his eotech?
Love your hat. Where can I buy one
My eyes are not great. For me magnification is a must so I can properly distinguish targets and more accurately place shots.
The big question for everyone is an absolute co-witness is better or a ¾ co-witness better. I've been using absolute co-witness red-dots.
I always like 1/3. It's a bit more comfortable but mainly the irons don't obstruct the optic. I like fixed irons (DD A1.5 in my case) on a HD rifle cause there is no BUIS to flip up if the optic goes down and with 1/3 I just dig into the cheek weld a bit more and they are there. Super fast and simple.
What about a magnifier with internal range finder mixed? Could be great and reduce the amount of sh!t you need.
could anyone please tell me what is his T-shirt brand? where to buy the same T-shirt he is on ?
My favorite setup is a 1-8 lvpo for long range with an RMR on top of it for close range. Best of both worlds.
Having a 1x on an optic that has 1x is redundant and stupid
@@Dero_milsurpin 3 or 2 gun competitions they are great.
Brought to you by eotech. Featuring the new tan combo lol
It doesn't matter who you are, any shot on any target at any distance will have some margin of error that could result in a miss. Magnification will reduce that margin of error and the chance for a miss. If you can ring the gong every time at 100 m, awesome. Magnification will amplify your skill.
Of course, there is a point where some magnification power is actually a hinderance at some distance. PID and shot placement become a problem when you can't distinguish between green forest and green textile because your sight picture is out of focus or you can count the bacteria on some dude's sleeve.
Never used a magnifer for my Aimpoint ML-3 red dot. Always wondered if the cost was worth it. Sometimes the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
Better to have and not need than need and not have.
Is having your thumb on the right side of the grip for shooting longer shots really any kind of advantage? It works for bolt guns because your whole hand is needed to work the bolt. But in a gas gun it just messes with your grip while you're transitioning. You can't have your whole hand around the grip and make accurate long range shots?
Try both to see what situations you like each technique.
It helps you pull the trigger straight back and not cant the gun to the side. You CAN shoot without doing it, but it will pretty much eliminate that variable. And you can shoot just fine with it without wrapping it around the grip, even running and gunning it. It's just a technique to practice, because it works, and it's good to have a multitude of skills
@@The_PotionSellernailed it. It helps eliminate the shooters input. Chris Costa shoots this way all the time. I dont, but its useful when shooting at range or when zeroing or grouping.