Inside 1000yds the Win Mag wins for the vast majority of shooters/hunters. Performance is nearly identical, ammo is in every gunshop, and nearly every rifle manufacturer chambers for it. The PRC wins past 1000yds where you will need the heaviest target bullets and will be handloading your ammo anyway. Good honest comparison vid guys👍👍
hmmmmm . . if you don't have a 300win mag just get a 300 PRC. The military is already replacing the 300wm with the prc, and they may also be replacing the 338 lapua magnum as the 300 PRC outperforms it. You're failing to account for wind inside of 1000yds . . why would I want to pay for a 300 that's not as good?
@@Technie87 Because the PRC and ARC will fail. Not enough rifles. Ammo will disappear as there will be a lack of demand. Why because there are well established alternatives with a track record. A sucker is born every minute. Marketing guys will take advantage of you.
What cartridge has won on the podium the most at 1,000 yds? The 300 H&H magnum. From 1925 till the mid 60's it was the cartridge to beat. If you don't understand history the marketing guys will eat your wallet. In a 300 H&H you get 4 in the magazine as well as feeding so good it will feed empty brass. The shape of that brass bottle matters. Belts strengthen the case head btw. Section belted brass and find out for yourselves.
@@debi5292 Good bit of history on the H&H. However, the 300 PRC is what the H&H was when it was revealed and better. No belt, cartridge designed to be reloaded, straight walled cartridge, less recoil than the H&H, good out to 2,000 yards with factory ammo, high BC heavy bullets. . shall I go on? Pair that with depleted uranium or tungsten penetrators for the military and now you have something cooking.
I am rebuilding my 300 mag. 28 in barrel 1-9 twist. It on Remington. Putting a new stock on it. Bullet 212 to 220. Main function is elk! Let me know if y’ll have better input
No issue with that at all, id go PRC if i was to order a new rifle but the difference isnt enough to run out and buy a new one, unless you want a new one anyway and this is the excuse to justify it lol
@ I’d never looked into that cartridge, looks like a scaled down Bofors round. Now I kinda want one. But man that’s some price ammo. I want a 30” heavy barrel semi auto tacticool one and one in a Mannlicher stock also 30” with case hardening and scroll work.
I have a Winchester Model 70 push feed that I bought at WallyWorld decades ago. It has the original synthetic stock, a factory 26" pencil barrel, and is chambered in .300 Win Mag. It's wonderful to carry while hunting as it only weighs about 7.5 lbs. However, extended shooting sessions like load development used to warrant a trip to the chiropractor, until I bought a Lead Sled. I have killed a deer with it, but I never felt the recoil of the shot. Great video! Keep them coming!
I re-barreled my Remington Model 700 with a 27", 1:9 twist "Remage" style barrel and put the barreled action in a proper hybrid chassis. I can load out to 3.600" magazine length with 225 grain ELD-M's and 77.0 grains of H1000, Hornady brass, cci 250 magnum primers. I'm getting 2,800 FPS on the nose with a minuscule SD of just a couple FPS round to round, and shows no signs of pressure or primer smearing. The thing prints laser beam groups at 100 meters and I've taken it out to right at 2K meters so far with fantastic results. One could get the same results with the more modern .300 PRC, but the venerable ole .300 Winchester Magnum is still pretty damn effective. I'd suggest a guy starting from scratch to go with the PRC. If a fella already has the base rifle action, the brass and reloading equipment for the Winchester Magnum and enjoys building their own stuff, I'd stay with the Win. Mag. I'm no hater though, and am happy to see companies develop modern equivalents with incremental improvements.
300 win mag is already in the safe with very good load development. So I'm good with that.... great video though. It helped me decide to keep what I have and spend more on components.
if anyone is also interested in a deeper dive into this topic markandsam afterwork dive into exploring these topic more but do so with a 300 win mag that has a fast twist long tight throat barrel like what the factory 300 prc comes with and they got really interesting results. With the two videos together it really covers the topic completely from what you will get from the factory to what you can do custom.
Thanks for doing this one. The differences are not enough to get a different cartage. I already have an excellent load with 220 eldx for 300win mag, not going to change what works.
Im staying with the 300WM. For the hunting I do it's the perfect caliber and you don't have to search for your animal after the shot. Thanks for that informative video.
And so many others are as well. Heck a 250 Savage held the world record for 5 shots at a hundred yards @ .10056" in 1955, 70 years ago with a walnut stock and barrel mounted scope. Accurate rifles are older than you are. Marketing is all the PRC cartridges are, and by a company who doesn't make any rifles.
I'm glad that shooters get to talk about the old vs. the new. But in reality, once you find a caliber and a gun that you're happy with, i.e. it drops the game you go after at distances you're comfortable with, it has the recoil that you can live with, you have the equipment you reload with, why start over? I know that gun companies need to sell more guns. That's kind of it.
Things to consider…. 30-06 is now and will be available anywhere, worldwide forever. Same can be said for the 7Rem & 300WM ammo. That cannot be said for the PRC’s yet.
Love when there is a video on a chambering and there's always someone saying my 30-06 does it all day....yep but some people like multiple guns and calibres. But keep enjoying your grandad's 30-06
My buddy and I have both a 300prc and a 300 win. With magpro, our chrono data was very similar to yours. We thought it was a fluke that we were getting more than 4k ft lbs of energy out of both. Lastly I do not believe the prc will replace the win as they are chambered in different length actions.
The one thing people forget is, anywhere you go in the world on hunting adventures 300WM is likely on the shelf. Africa, Alaska, New Zeland, or Colorado, it just works.
Good luck in Alaska, people hoard 300wm, I live in AK and I can buy 300 PRC anytime I want. That is specifically why I have a PRC build and not the standard WM. 300wm and 338 lapua are probably the most used rifles in Alaska.
I agree the 300 win mag is the way to go . Im biased as i have a Browning thats a tac driver . Yet the ammo is cheaper and more available for the 300 win mag. Side not in the Northeast if you see a deer and rack a round in the deer is gone. Hunting in the midwest is far different than other parts of the country.
An ELR shooter that I watch a lot of in Australia did a comparison of most of the popular 300 magnums and in his case the 300 PRC fell behind the 300 win mag because when he seated the bullets out to similar specs(running a single shot magnum length action) the 300 win mag had more velocity potential where the 300 prc is near max in its standard loads. Granted its not a plug and play option(similar to the old 7 rem mag Long range hunting rigs) but if you optimize the gun to the 300 win mag it's performance seems to eclipse 300 PRC.
Not sure what you're talking about because you're pretty limited to saami speck with a Tikka in 300 WM at 3.34 though you can shave out the magazines to 3.4 max.
The biggest difference to me is the belted case. If you already use them and know how to resize properly then no reason to get the PRC. If your just getting a new rifle then go the PRC so you don't have to deal with the belt. Thanks for the informative video on these two wonderful cartridges.
The biggest problem with the 300wm is the sloppy factory chambers. I have a Remington that shoots fine, but holy cow does the brass stretch on first firing. I want to try some of the Peterson long brass to see if it helps. But if a guy gets a custom gun with a match chamber, longer mag box, and faster twist, the 300wm gets awfully close to the PRC.
I recently repalced a shot-out barrel on my 300 WM B-14 Bergara rifle with a match barrel, chambered with a .150" FB (3.700", .341" neck), 5R rifling and a 1-9 twist rate and have been very happy with the performance out to 1 mile, pushing the 225 ELD. Even before the barrel swap I was able to push the 225 out to mile. consistently. Both calibers have very smilar performance. I have owned the 300 WM before the 300 PRC came out so I stayed with the 300 WM, because of already having the dies and brass. I am intrigued by 300 PRC but do not see the benifits to switch over for my needs. Great discussion!
I have a 300 WM for elk and moose hunting, and will not switch to the 300 PRC but continue to improve my current system. I spent 2 years getting this system as accurate as possible. Today it is capable of shooting five shot group at 0.58 MOA but my STD is too high for accurate shooting past 450 yards. I have successfully taken multiple big game animals out to 420 yards, but we do practice out to 1,000 yards. It is a Tikka action and barrel, Manners stock with an Ultradyne break, and Leopold VX6 optic. The load ELD-X 200gr, Lapua brass, Federal 215M primer, 78.0gr Mag Pro - resulting in cold bore average of 2920fps with STD 4.6 and a 5 shot average at 2933 with a STD of 10.6. I think it would be a much better investment to buy a better barrel and powder scale to reduce my STD / group than a new cartridge.
I have a custom barreled 26” 300 WM That blows the doors off my 24” Bergara Premier in 300 PRC. That being said, that Bergara just dropped into a new $2000 Spuhr chassis and has a 28” McGowen heavy barrel on the way. I definitely recognize the higher potential of the 300 PRC for mile + shooting, but inside 1000 yards, either one will get it done.
Great video guys, I'd love to see load development with both of these cartridges tightened up but I'd suggest the 200 gr ELD-X in the 300 win mag vs the 212 gr ELD-X in the 300 prc. I have a browning x bolt long-range chambered in 300 win mag with a 1 in 8 twist factory set- up. It hates 180 gr bullets but comes into it's own with 200 gr bullets. Thanks for all of the awesome videos.
I just bought a Barrett MRAD in 300PRC. Was going in between PRC and Win Mag for a long time. Eventually decided on PRC just so I have the capability of going even further. I plan on hunting deer, bear and elk with this rifle too
Good video! I've owned both, and the 300PRC is the clear winner for me. I was able to use it to win a KYL challenge at an ELR competition against many larger, more powerful cartridges.
I still shoot the 300 Weatherby. I have replaced the barrel and neck-size my cases and it beats both of these cartridges. I have a 30" barrel, and it shoots 180 grain bullets at 3400 fps and 212 ELD-X's and Berger 215 Grain Hybrids at 3125 fps. I use IMR7828 SSC
I went with a custom 30 Nosler with a 30" 5 groove 1-8.5 twist PacNor barrel. I handload, so no issue with not finding factory ammo everywhere. I have never shot a critter much past 400 yards. Since I tend to hunt in high-desert areas with lots of wind, I wanted a heavier bullet. A 300 WM or PRC would have served me as well but I wanted something a bit different than everyone else.
I’ve owned both and I’ll have to say a 300 PRC ELDM 225 grain is hard to beat. 300 Win mag was designed primarily to shoot 180 grain factory bullets and barreled to do so but to get heavier bullet you would have to hand load and then most of the time the bullet pushed into the case capacity. The 300 PRC was designed to shoot long heavy high BC bullets accurately at long distance. I sighted my rifle in at 100 yards with 225 ELDM factory loads pushing 3030 FPS with a 30 inch barrel and went to 900 yards at 17.75 MOA of elevation. I then shot 1215 yards at 29 MOA in elevation.
I would have been alot more impressed if the made the 300 prc into a standard long action instead of the magnum length. 300 win mag loaded long does every bit of what the 300 prc does.
@@jasonrussell8969 I don't entirely disagree but there are tighter chamber spec reamers and a barrel swap isn't hard. I get out to a mile with 200 gainers and 208s, the 1-10 does fine for me.
I love my 30 Sherman. Definitely a round that is worth considering if you’re dedicated to reloading. They flat out move and you don’t have to run max charge to get there. The same applies to the 7 Sherman Short, just a little better than the 7 SAUM. What barrel length are you running?
Since no one is hunting at ranges at which the PRC offers significant advantage, 300WM will remain the popular choice for hunters, even in a new rifle, as 300WM will be ammo more available.
Yup, you’re right. They use the Mk-22 MRAD, what I have. They have the 220 grain bullet seated at 3.500 and I reload and get the same ballistics, I’m shooting milk jugs at 1,000 rather easily. I’m not going to the PRC…. I’m also retired from the Marines Videos on my channel
@@MountaintravelerEddieisn’t the irony here that you mention the MRAD, but that came out of (or was selected by) the same DoD ASR program that also saw the 300 PRC developed and eventually selected? Ya picked the new gun, but not the round haha. They’ll stick with the win mag for a while, but the PRC was (is) the better round if cost and availability isn’t an issue, ie military. At least once they actually start getting them out there.
@ you don’t sound like you have ever dealt with the DoD and know how it works…..before I retired from the Corps in 2015, there was a lot of talk about the .300 Norma Mag taking over the realm of all precision ammo for the ASR. So basically when I first heard and dealt with the program when I was stationed at MCMWTC, Barrett had the multi caliber rifle and I liked it. It made logical sense. Hornady was then trying to optimize the whizbang science for the new round .300 PRC….it wasn’t able to be procured quick, civilians jumped on it super quick due to marketing. Caliber wise, training with the 7.62x51 (.308) and using the .300 Win mag for all other applications since it was already set in the DoDIC lists, it’s easier to order for training. Now that I’m retired, I just stick with the win mag as it’s got all I need for a round, I reload it as well. I keep it logistically simple. .308 rifle…Mk-39 EBR and the MRAD….308 / 300 win mag. I got the Norma Mag barrel, but I don’t use it. Notice it’s all .30 cal. I shoot 220 grain ammo out of my .308 and .300 win mag. As for the PRC….it burns more powder compared to the win mag and for civvies, that’s money you don’t have if you reload. I’m just looking at it from a logical standpoint. Seems you got sucked into the marketing gig of the new “latest and greatest since sliced bread”…..when you shoot 800+ rounds of .300 win mag a day or more for training…..and it’s a 2 month training……welcome to how the military does training. We know the rifles like the back of our nutsacks. They aren’t safe queens and shot as some Billy Bob range. They aren’t cleaned as much and they aren’t babied. Anyways…..you don’t sound like you served or dealt with anything remotely with the DoD.
@@phillombardi9438 hey how you doing? Where is he stationed? Yeah, It’s been a minute.5)3 .300 Win Mag got the job done in quite a few places. It’s been around for so long, what’s weird is you can’t find 220 gain match ammo readily available in the .300 Win Mag like you can the hunting ammo that only goes up to 185 grain around here.
In that case the “average shooter” probably doesn’t need the win mag either. The DoD started the Advanced Sniper Rifle competition for a reason, and selected the 300 PRC for a reason as well. At longer ranges, it IS better. You can’t get that weight and BC out of a win mag, period.
@@EstorilEmsee the problem is, your average hunter isn’t shooting past 500 yards (hunting or target shooting) more than a couple of times in their life, .300 Win Mag is also a perfect do it all round for a hunter and it’s a great long range (400-700 yards or so) round, whereas the PRC is more expensive, is less useful for hunting cuz it has no real advantage in ethical hunting distances, AND it’s really only advantageous towards a shooter past 800 yards anyways, it’s great for the military, but the average shooter can stick with a .300 Winchester for their entire life and be just fine, there’s no need for a PRC if you are a hunter, which is fine because they are competition cartridges
@@EstorilEmoh and it usually comes in the magnum length actions so your rifle is heavier and less useful in the mountains (where you get the most advantage out of it)
Just loaded 100 rounds of 300 Win Mag. Used 50 old Sierra 180 gr. full metal jacket target bullets and 50 190 gr. Sierra MK. Bullets. Fairly conservative charge weight of VVN 560 in the 180’s and also conservative load of H 4350 with the 190 gr. Bullets. Don’t want to use hot loads as this is to be a Christmas gift. I expect to get around 2750 fps. For some reason that velocity has always worked well for me. Haven’t shot this rifle in 30 years but the most accurate bullet back then was the 155 gr. Sierra Palma bullet. Don’t know the velocity but it must have been pretty fast.
Honestly where I hunt mainly mountains and small valley's within NF under 150yds the 300wm does the job when I use it (rarely). My go to calibers 30-06 and 35whelen. But if I had to pick between the two (PRC or WM) I'm staying with the 300WM.
My 300 win mag is a Remington 700 Sendero trued up and rebarreled by Precision Rifle and Tool in Mebane NC with a 28 in Hart barrel 1in11 twist and shooting 180 accubons at 3270. Sd of 9 with a full charge of RL23. .4 moa or better if I do my job..
I love my 300 PRC HMR. Still working up loads for it. Wish it was 1:8.5 instead of 1:9 so I could load ELD-M 250 grain. Using the rifle for deer, elk, and bear. Worked up loads using H1000, Retumbo, and Winchester StaBALL HD. I am getting 0.4 to 0.9 MOA with these loads using ELD-X 212 grain bullets, Lapua Brass, and CCI primers. I find your content honest and accurate. I like the fact you do not bash a manufacturer or a caliber. I agree if you have a 300 Win Mag and are hunting 500 yards and under, there is little reason to switch. I did not have a magnum rifle and wanted to shoot long range outside of hunting, so I purchased the 300 PRC. I really like the combination of Gavin and Guy making videos and doing load work together. It provides different perspectives and preferences. Your website on the topics fills in details and complements the videos well. Keep cranking out material!!!
The biggest test should be with "hunting " bullets instead of Eld-x and Eld-m and Berger. Most folks who are able to elk hunt or get the opportunity to hunt in Africa are going to run Nosler Partitions and Accubonds, Swift A-frames, and Scirocos along with various Barnes monolithic bullets. At a hunting standpoint, it would be a more representative test. But the high bc bullets do illustrate both cartridges' potential. Truth be told your game animal won't know the difference at ethical distance. I will say both cartridges have their place and merits. I will say the win mag definitely earned its reputation. As far as availability of ammunition, it wins out. You are more likely to find the win mag in remote parts of the world and country. I can attest to this. In a mom and pop general store in Appalachia in WV, I can confirm that said store does have .300 win mag on the shelf. The PRC is yet to be accepted by mainstream hunters and professionals alike. I think the PRC is more of a specialized and niche cartridge. Where as the win mag is an all arounder. In my opinion I think the .300 PRC will be accepted because it's a .30 cal. The US is still largely a .30 cal nation. Also because of this I think it will do better sales wise compared to 6.5 and 7mm counter parts.
As allways fun to watch and educational. Loads of info and welth of experiance in your videos from both of you. I am from Iceland and I live in Norway, hunt almost everything from ducks up to moose. And just bought my first dedicatet prs-rifle. But anyway. Here on the other side of the pond we have many great opsions and I hope you guys would finde it interesting to have a look and try? .... 300 Norma Mag, 8x68s, 9,3x62, 6,5x55 (handloads), 7x64, 8,5x55 .... many exelent rounds. You should have a look :)
I'm running that exact rifle in 300 PRC. On a 30 degree day I'm running 220 ELD-X at 2900 fps. Sub-half MOA at 500. Has taken antelope, deer, and elk at anywhere from 65 to over 500 yards, including a finishing head shot for a friend's wounded elk at 475. It's no joke of a caliber. Using Hornady brass, and getting about 6-7 reloads before primer pockets loosen up too much.
My factory 300wm rifle allows coal up to 3.9. 1/10 twist has zero issues stabilizing heavy high bc bullets. The belt means nothing, I have two batches of brass with over 12 firings. 300prc literally does nothing new at all.
Its pretty simple lol do you have a 300wm? If you do no need for the prc unless youre beyond mortal status and shooting things really far away as in beyond a 1000 yards. If you dont have the winmag and you want a new magnum buy the prc of course it has advantages its new technologies.
I'm shooting an MPA 300PRC with a 1:9 twist at longer ranges (Berger 215s) and getting great results from 1000 to 1760 yards. Great velocities and low SDs which really helps. I sold my 7 REMMGAG because I didn't like the belt (all my other rifles -- 308 Win, 6.5 CM, etc., all don't have belts). BTW, the Bergers are great in the 300 PRC. I used to shoot Hornady 225 ELDMs, but switched to Bergers (I point the bullets) and am very happy with them.
My 2cents wort. I built a 300PRC for four main reasons. (1) I did not already have a 30 cal magnum (2) I built a rifle for ELR and wanted to shoot the heavy and long 230gr A-Tips (3) I prefer the slightly longer neck on the 300PRC over the 300WM’s shorter neck (4) Just personal preference, but I do not particularly like belted magnums. But if you do a custom built 300WM (not to SAAMI spec) so that the throat length is not such a restriction on case capacity, they are for all practical intents and purposes identical, even for ELR work. For hunting, buy the one you can get for the best deal.
I have never owned a 300WM but I’m in the process of building a 300 PRC i have read a lot about both and feel that the PRC is a better choice for me in ELR matches.
I saw a test on TH-cam. If you properly throat the win mag for the longer pills it’s actually stronger. Win mag pushed the 230’s @ 2950fps and the PRC could only oush the 220’s @ 2950
I don’t think that is an accurate representation…the PRC has more case capacity, and rated to a higher pressure (albeit 1000psi more). All things being equal (barrel speed, etc) the PRC wins by a small margin for reloaders. Factory vs factory, it’s a much larger margin.
@@jonathanperillo1795how do you figure the PRC wins exactly? Just in this video which is one example, the WM holds 1gr more powder. The WM has more case capacity, which in turn, is more velocity. Again, which is shown in these tests. There’s nothing the PRC can do that the WM can’t, and the WM has been there and done it before the PRC case was even thought of. The only real difference is the PRC was designed with heavy for caliber, High B.C bullets in mind.
@@RockinLOutfitters the 300PRC has a greater case capacity, which means more powder (very small difference). The 300PRC is throated longer so the bullets do not eat into the case capacity (mostly an issue for factory offerings, you can get a longer throat WM). 300PRC is technically rated to a higher pressure. All of these things are more meaningful for factory loads, where they compound on each other. These are not factory loads, just arbitrary handloads (not max loads). I said it isn’t an accurate representation of the cartridges, and those are the reasons why. Both are very close to each other and custom guns will run neck and neck. Factory rifles there is a small difference, but a difference. One isn’t better than the other…they’re nearly identical when built up.
As a HUNTER, I've always liked the 300 Win and currently own several. I also own a 300 Weatherby and a 300 RUM. When the chips are down, my 300 RUM gets the nod- Period. But since I have rifle disease, I decided to try a 300 PRC. I favor hunting rifle designs despite having built custom rigs. To me, they just feel more like target guns. I just purchased a CVA Cascade in 300 PRC, thinking it just might become my go-to 30 cal. It has many features I like, and I can't wait to see how it shoots 212 factory loads. The idea presented by Hornady is that one could buy a budget rifle and factory ammo, then go hunt. I do like that bigger 212 ELDX, despite many writing it off. I suspect it will hammer elk, black bear, moose, and deer, say out to 450 yards or so. To me, a reasonable hunting distance. I'm not interested in sniping game at 1,000 yards, nor long-range target shooting. I know any of my 30 magnums can do 450, but my gut tells me the 300 PRC is in that 30 caliber goldilocks zone of recoil, accuracy, and thumping ability out there. The 300 PRC just might end up being my only 30 magnum? This comes from a hunter who also has a 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC, and 375 Ruger! Eventually, I intend to cut my overlaps way back, as I am fascinated with adding a semi custom 35 Whelen and 458 Winchester. I would also love to see a 338 PRC 😊
I spend a bit of time hunting in Africa with my 300wm. At the point when every ph has a box of 300prc in his Land Cruiser I might consider changing- but then, what would be the point? As Guy rightly says, an animal at 400yds doesn't know the difference. Very enjoyable video.
Have a 300PRC and hunt from springbok, Impala, Blesbok, Kudu and Eland with it on 178gr Hornady 178 ELDX. Know you know all about those bucks in South Africa Gavin😊
I have a custom 26” barrel 300 win mag with a 1:8.5 twist and target chamber with a .001 free bore. I am working up loads for the 230 and 250 grain A tips.
I like the .375 Ruger case and I am surprised that Ruger hasn't come out with it necked down to .338"! In the .375 I was able to exceed 5,000 ft.lbs. out of a 22" Ruger with the 300 grain monolithics with several different powders. One advantage not noted with the PRC looks like the turbulence point will be more localized in the PRC case neck which should extend the barrel life of the PRC versus the .300 WM... though I haven't seen a good apples to apples comparison on rounds fired with high SD projectiles versus the lower SD variants. Lastly, with regards to ELR shooting in general. There are a host of factors that will constrain the realization of such pursuits... ranging from impact signature requirements, spotter requirements, range availability, optics, the increased influence of wind and shot to shot SD's given the trajectory curves encountered at extreme range...et al.! ELR shooting is generally a team competition! The .300 Win Mag. is more tailored for average competitor/hunter and as noted by a number of others here, vastly more available and a fast twist .300 Weatherby would no doubt give the PRC some probably insurmountable competition. With regards to your videos content...from what I can tell you have no real competition with regard to the level of detail and type of content that you provide. Keep up the excellent work and keep your powder dry!
I go to a rem700 custom 300 PRC 32" LW barrel with 8/1 twist. Because m'y actual rem700 dont stabilise heavier bullet than the 220grn in 26" barrel. I want more perf for the 1 miles target challenge
Hands down the only thing you gain in factory form is the PRC is going to allow you to have heavier bullets that are going a little faster than a Winnie. Jump over to hand loading, the PRC will still out perform in factory form. Go custom chambers and it’s a toss up. Personally like the non belted. The only real difference is efficiency. Powder charge vs velocity is showing the benefit of case design. Want to really capitalize, run the 30 Sherman. I push my 230 Hybrids out of my 26” comfortably at 3076fps. It will run mid 3100’s on a hotter load. What does it boil down to? Are you a factory shooter with factory rounds or do you want to reload? And if you want to reload, how deep are your pockets.
I went for a Howa 1500 SHB barreled action in 300PRC and dropped it into a stockies carbon fibre stock for under $1500AUD including a set of talley rings. I'm currently running eld-X 212's, however I'm going to load up some 208gr LRX's as its a dedicated Sambar rifle. That was the reason i went for the PRC over the WM, Barnes recommends a 1 in 8.5" twist for their 208's and a 1 in 8 for their 212gr LRX which I will eventually go to.
I just picked up a browing x bolt in 300wm thay had a 1:8 twist. Havent had a chance to shoot it yet. Also have a savage with a 1:9 twist and a 3.850 oal magazine. I load 212eldx's long at 3.570 , doing 2875 fps. Its a tack driver out to a 1000 yards, dont have anywhere to shoot further.
I’m so confused. First of all, I have experience with reloading for both, and I had reloaded heavier than 200 grain for prc, my barrel is 1:10, my gfs is what ever the bergara twist rate was. We got no where near the speeds I got shooting my 200 grains, using more powder, (h4831sc) then we swapped to 200 grains and started seeing pressures at 3000 fps, I and comfortably shooting 200 grains at 3000 fps and touching holes at 200 off a bipod and a bag.. how is the prc better for long range if it can get the speeds the prc is doing with less, and do probably better. My sd is 4.6 or lower based off my garmin xero. I’ve impacted targets just over 1500 yards. 1000 isn’t even worth mentioning. This one episode specifically, doesn’t make sense to me. Literally I’ve had both on my bench, and we were trying to make my gfs bergara match or beat my 300 wm. My seating depth is also 3.470.
There are a couple of weaknesses in both sets of cartridges I felt weren't covered. Free bore tolerances may be tighter and may or may mot translate to a "more accurate platform" (Which was debatable as you guys had stated) but with those tighter tolerances that you are going to have you are going to be having to be cleaning your rifle more often to avoid pressure signatures. That to me favors the 300WM and the 7mm RM over the 300 and 7 PRC Belted vs non belted handloading is bumped off the shoulder on the PRC's vs the Belt off the Win and Rem mags: That translates to case life. The PRC's being off the shoulder should in theory last longer over the WM/RM that are off the belt because off the belt sometimes you may be pushing the shoulder back farther than necessarily needed. Which favors the PRC's Factory ammunition offerings in two parts the 300 PRC and the 7MM PRC are infant newborns compared to the WM/RM counterparts (1) globally the WM/RM have been around since '63/'62 Vs the PRCs 2018/2022 if I hunt abroad and go into any gun store there I would be more likely to find the WM/RM's over the PRC's just due to age. (2) is prices you'll pay an average of $20-26 more per box over the WM/RM Those are three things I'd consider too, as of the moment the PRC's are more of a North American flare, life expectancy to be determined. Remember a lot of cartridges have tried to overthrow the 30-06 and the 308 Winchester(which is always debated) and have failed. These cartridges are time tested, tried, and true. Only time will be the determining factor and also how far they're willing to drop the prices on the PRC's to WM/RM equivalents
Great video. 2 years ago I couldn’t decide which of these 2 calibers I should have gotten in these exact same firearms. Being it was going to be my first magnum gun, I figured I should at least start out with the Win Mag. Plus it will be a great excuse later to get another firearm later in PRC. 🤷🏼♂️
Iv taken a lot of game with the 300 weatherby amd 30-06. Both do great I just trust the weatherby to do better at distance. I use in both rifles usely 180 grain
I went thru all this before buying my 300 win mag. The 300 PRC can edge the 300 win mag out in velocity but the thing that made me go with the 300 win mag was ammo availability and load data.. there's basically load data for every load combo you can think of for the 300 win mag, it's been around for ever, so it's not going any where. The same can't be said for the 300 PRC. I do feel it's a tiny bit better than the win mag, but other problems that may come up with the PRC seemed like it wasn't worth it. I use the Berger 215 hybrid bullets and they are great. Right at .700 B.C. basically, .697. guys shoot 1500+ yards with those in 300 win mags. I've heard of guys shooting the 225's out to a mile or further also.
The biggest problem with most 300WM rifles is the magazines, not the chamber. The 300WM chamber allows for loading much longer bullets than most people think or realize. Because of the larger .315" freebore diameter and the slightly shallower 1.4436° (1°26'37") throat angle for the Win Mag, the overall base to Ogive length for any given bullet at land contact that the Win Mag chamber can take is only about .045" shorter than the 300PRC. Basically that SAAMI 3.340 COAL for the 300WM is due to the Mag length of many older rifles and old short bullets. Put any 300wm in a Stock or Chassis that can take longer mags (like 3.850 CIP length mags) and you can easily handload rounds much longer than the 3.340 spec length, thus not eating up nearly as much powder space in the case. 11:55 Interestingly, there is something going on with the WM that has it always seeming to edge out the PRC in MV. This video shows it with the 180's and the 212's, Mark from Mark and Sam Afterwork saw same thing with 250 A-tips and even was getting pressure signs in the PRC at a lower MV than the WM and I saw virtually the same thing with 230 A-Tips (ran into pressure signs at a lower MV than I could get them pushed to in the 300WM (both Factory Savage Barrels swapped back and forth on the same 110 action). Mark mentioned in a Video that he thinks it has something to do with the Long Skinny vs. Short Fat case difference but I honestly think it has more to do with the throat difference (kind of like the 223 vs. 5.56 throat difference allowing the 5.56 to be safely loaded to quite a bit higher pressures)
Obviously if you're buying new get the new cartridge! But like me, if you're inheriting something in 7mm Mag or 300 Win Mag, leave them alone if they still shoot, go have fun with them! I also love my Bergara HMR! I load 6.5 creedmore on the progressive press and still shoot Sub MOA!
Running a stiff load of RL26 under the 225 ELD-M in my Bergara HMR 300 win mag. This is a laser.. 0.3 MOA at 2968fps average with an SD of 5. I'll never change this load for this rifle. Try some of that RL26! You'll be impressed!
Only thing I’d change on my 300WM is the twist rate. 1:10 is out of date for heavy projectiles and a 150-175 doesn’t meet my objectives. I can stabilize the 210 grain Nosler ABLR, but keyhole the 190 Barnes LRX’s in similar loads.
I think you should try 300 win mag with 220 class bullets, it's what the new ish army 300 win mag is based around. When they changed from the 190 to 220 grain it made the 300 win a 1500 yard gun.
I know 2 guys that own everything under the sun, both said they can load their 300win similar to the PRC. But the PRC is allot easier to build a load for and it shoots every bullet they throw at it very well. Where the Win in my experience can shoot incredibly well but takes allot of trial and error to find that perfect load
Equivalent rounds shooting the same bullet with the same powder under 500 yards I would expect what you found. The 300 prc having faster twist should stabilize heavy bullets how about a test like that, 200 + bullets out of both at 500 - 1000 yards and check for accuracy?
I think this comparison doesn't fully appreciate the improvements of the chamber design on the 300 PRC. From just a performance comparison between the two it is very close. But there is a reason why there are so many custom WMs, because the sammi spec leaves a lot on the table and 300 PRC solves all of those issues in a factory format.
I like my win mag cause that’s what I have but the case design of that prc does give it an edge. I down load my win with 180s to 2920 anyway for deer so don’t really need anything more!
I appreciate your commentary on the 300 I'm/ 300PRC I would tell you that I just finished building a 300WSM with a Douglas 1-9 twist barrel and I would like to hear your comparison between the two. Thank you so much for sharing your videos.
Inside 1000yds the Win Mag wins for the vast majority of shooters/hunters. Performance is nearly identical, ammo is in every gunshop, and nearly every rifle manufacturer chambers for it. The PRC wins past 1000yds where you will need the heaviest target bullets and will be handloading your ammo anyway. Good honest comparison vid guys👍👍
Agreed!
hmmmmm . . if you don't have a 300win mag just get a 300 PRC. The military is already replacing the 300wm with the prc, and they may also be replacing the 338 lapua magnum as the 300 PRC outperforms it.
You're failing to account for wind inside of 1000yds . . why would I want to pay for a 300 that's not as good?
@@Technie87 Because the PRC and ARC will fail. Not enough rifles. Ammo will disappear as there will be a lack of demand. Why because there are well established alternatives with a track record.
A sucker is born every minute. Marketing guys will take advantage of you.
What cartridge has won on the podium the most at 1,000 yds? The 300 H&H magnum. From 1925 till the mid 60's it was the cartridge to beat. If you don't understand history the marketing guys will eat your wallet. In a 300 H&H you get 4 in the magazine as well as feeding so good it will feed empty brass. The shape of that brass bottle matters. Belts strengthen the case head btw. Section belted brass and find out for yourselves.
@@debi5292 Good bit of history on the H&H. However, the 300 PRC is what the H&H was when it was revealed and better. No belt, cartridge designed to be reloaded, straight walled cartridge, less recoil than the H&H, good out to 2,000 yards with factory ammo, high BC heavy bullets. . shall I go on?
Pair that with depleted uranium or tungsten penetrators for the military and now you have something cooking.
I’m rocking a 26” 1-9 twist 5R barrel on my 300 Win mag build shooting the 230 Gr Hornady A-Tips. Hell of a shooter
What power are you pushing the 230's with and charge weight?
Thanks,
What powder are you using?
What velocity are you getting?
"Rocking"? The instagram chicks showed up.
I am rebuilding my 300 mag. 28 in barrel 1-9 twist. It on Remington. Putting a new stock on it. Bullet 212 to 220. Main function is elk! Let me know if y’ll have better input
Since I already own the 300 Win Mag, imma stick with it. I can spend the extra money on wicked nice bullets.
No issue with that at all, id go PRC if i was to order a new rifle but the difference isnt enough to run out and buy a new one, unless you want a new one anyway and this is the excuse to justify it lol
3 rifles in 300 H&H here. Not one is going anywhere. plenty of brass has been secured for a lifetime of shooting.
@ I’d never looked into that cartridge, looks like a scaled down Bofors round. Now I kinda want one. But man that’s some price ammo. I want a 30” heavy barrel semi auto tacticool one and one in a Mannlicher stock also 30” with case hardening and scroll work.
I have a Winchester Model 70 push feed that I bought at WallyWorld decades ago. It has the original synthetic stock, a factory 26" pencil barrel, and is chambered in .300 Win Mag. It's wonderful to carry while hunting as it only weighs about 7.5 lbs. However, extended shooting sessions like load development used to warrant a trip to the chiropractor, until I bought a Lead Sled. I have killed a deer with it, but I never felt the recoil of the shot.
Great video! Keep them coming!
I re-barreled my Remington Model 700 with a 27", 1:9 twist "Remage" style barrel and put the barreled action in a proper hybrid chassis. I can load out to 3.600" magazine length with 225 grain ELD-M's and 77.0 grains of H1000, Hornady brass, cci 250 magnum primers. I'm getting 2,800 FPS on the nose with a minuscule SD of just a couple FPS round to round, and shows no signs of pressure or primer smearing. The thing prints laser beam groups at 100 meters and I've taken it out to right at 2K meters so far with fantastic results. One could get the same results with the more modern .300 PRC, but the venerable ole .300 Winchester Magnum is still pretty damn effective. I'd suggest a guy starting from scratch to go with the PRC. If a fella already has the base rifle action, the brass and reloading equipment for the Winchester Magnum and enjoys building their own stuff, I'd stay with the Win. Mag. I'm no hater though, and am happy to see companies develop modern equivalents with incremental improvements.
300 win mag is already in the safe with very good load development. So I'm good with that.... great video though. It helped me decide to keep what I have and spend more on components.
Huge fan of the cartridge comparisons
Hey Bergara I would like to do a comparison myself
so please send me 2 brand new ones I also will be happy to
let you know what I think . LoL 😁
Great comparison! Now let’s see a comparison of the 300PRC vs. 300 Norma Mag.
Improved. ;l
Please do a comparison between the 30 Nosler and 300 PRC as well.
Mountains, Mullets, Merica about 6 months ago did a mile test
300 Norma Mag $100.00 box, 300 PRC $54.00 per box. 300 NM more recoil.
Don’t forget the 300 Ultra Mag
if anyone is also interested in a deeper dive into this topic markandsam afterwork dive into exploring these topic more but do so with a 300 win mag that has a fast twist long tight throat barrel like what the factory 300 prc comes with and they got really interesting results. With the two videos together it really covers the topic completely from what you will get from the factory to what you can do custom.
Thanks for doing this one. The differences are not enough to get a different cartage. I already have an excellent load with 220 eldx for 300win mag, not going to change what works.
Loved this video. I’m loading for my 300 win mag RPR 208 ELDM
Im staying with the 300WM. For the hunting I do it's the perfect caliber and you don't have to search for your animal after the shot. Thanks for that informative video.
Had a 338 WM and went to a 300 PRC and am 100% satisfied. Extremely accurate round.
And so many others are as well. Heck a 250 Savage held the world record for 5 shots at a hundred yards @ .10056" in 1955, 70 years ago with a walnut stock and barrel mounted scope. Accurate rifles are older than you are. Marketing is all the PRC cartridges are, and by a company who doesn't make any rifles.
I'm glad that shooters get to talk about the old vs. the new. But in reality, once you find a caliber and a gun that you're happy with, i.e. it drops the game you go after at distances you're comfortable with, it has the recoil that you can live with, you have the equipment you reload with, why start over? I know that gun companies need to sell more guns. That's kind of it.
Things to consider…. 30-06 is now and will be available anywhere, worldwide forever. Same can be said for the 7Rem & 300WM ammo. That cannot be said for the PRC’s yet.
Yup!
"Yet". With Hornady pushing them, a matter of time. I mean look at 6.5 creedmoor and 300 Black out
It's not like everyone dropped their .300 Savages or .30 Army the instant that .300 WM or 7 Mag came out either for the same reason you laid out.
Thanks grandpa
Love when there is a video on a chambering and there's always someone saying my 30-06 does it all day....yep but some people like multiple guns and calibres. But keep enjoying your grandad's 30-06
My buddy and I have both a 300prc and a 300 win. With magpro, our chrono data was very similar to yours. We thought it was a fluke that we were getting more than 4k ft lbs of energy out of both. Lastly I do not believe the prc will replace the win as they are chambered in different length actions.
my favorite is the 300 WSM
That's a nice one. I loaded it with H4350 and 210 grain Bergers for impressive accuracy. Mine seemed to recoil a fair bit less than the 300 Win Mag.
I just don't like the smaller capacity of ammo I can put in a rifle with the WSM.
The one thing people forget is, anywhere you go in the world on hunting adventures 300WM is likely on the shelf. Africa, Alaska, New Zeland, or Colorado, it just works.
Good luck in Alaska, people hoard 300wm, I live in AK and I can buy 300 PRC anytime I want. That is specifically why I have a PRC build and not the standard WM. 300wm and 338 lapua are probably the most used rifles in Alaska.
I agree the 300 win mag is the way to go . Im biased as i have a Browning thats a tac driver . Yet the ammo is cheaper and more available for the 300 win mag.
Side not in the Northeast if you see a deer and rack a round in the deer is gone. Hunting in the midwest is far different than other parts of the country.
An ELR shooter that I watch a lot of in Australia did a comparison of most of the popular 300 magnums and in his case the 300 PRC fell behind the 300 win mag because when he seated the bullets out to similar specs(running a single shot magnum length action) the 300 win mag had more velocity potential where the 300 prc is near max in its standard loads. Granted its not a plug and play option(similar to the old 7 rem mag Long range hunting rigs) but if you optimize the gun to the 300 win mag it's performance seems to eclipse 300 PRC.
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I knew you were talking about mark&sam
Tikka T3x lite in 300wm has plenty of room to load long bullets or seat them out very far.
Not sure what you're talking about because you're pretty limited to saami speck with a Tikka in 300 WM at 3.34 though you can shave out the magazines to 3.4 max.
I just picked up a sporterized 1903A3 re-chambered to 308 Norma Mag. That's my new go to 30 caliber magnum.
Awesome cartridge. Longer neck than 300WM. Brass can get expensive and tough to find.
Love the Springfield!
@@warrenpolidori5541 Luckily Norma still makes it. I was able to grab a bag of 50 for $75, which isn't bad considering.
TONS of Springfields were rechambered to the NM in the 50s' and 60s'. Likely could be found at reasonable prices on used gun racks,
@@TODinWY picked it up for all of $450. So many people over look vintage rifles for the new fancy ones. I prefer the classics.
My Browning X-bolt has a 1-8 twist 26 in barrel chambered in 300 win mag. Interesting bergara doesn’t have the same.
The biggest difference to me is the belted case. If you already use them and know how to resize properly then no reason to get the PRC. If your just getting a new rifle then go the PRC so you don't have to deal with the belt. Thanks for the informative video on these two wonderful cartridges.
I would watch you guys go out to a mile. My 300 PRC is out to over 1900 yards and trying for more next year. Great video and great content.
1900 yards... Awesome!
The biggest problem with the 300wm is the sloppy factory chambers. I have a Remington that shoots fine, but holy cow does the brass stretch on first firing. I want to try some of the Peterson long brass to see if it helps. But if a guy gets a custom gun with a match chamber, longer mag box, and faster twist, the 300wm gets awfully close to the PRC.
I recently repalced a shot-out barrel on my 300 WM B-14 Bergara rifle with a match barrel, chambered with a .150" FB (3.700", .341" neck), 5R rifling and a 1-9 twist rate and have been very happy with the performance out to 1 mile, pushing the 225 ELD. Even before the barrel swap I was able to push the 225 out to mile. consistently. Both calibers have very smilar performance. I have owned the 300 WM before the 300 PRC came out so I stayed with the 300 WM, because of already having the dies and brass. I am intrigued by 300 PRC but do not see the benifits to switch over for my needs. Great discussion!
Who and what barrel did you go with? I have an hmr in 300win and would love to get away from the factory barrel.
@@nickp862I'm an HMR owner as well... Are there any specific problems it's giving you?
I used Preferred Barrel Blanks from Utah
No issues with the HMR just shot too many rounds through the original barrel.
I have a 300 WM for elk and moose hunting, and will not switch to the 300 PRC but continue to improve my current system. I spent 2 years getting this system as accurate as possible. Today it is capable of shooting five shot group at 0.58 MOA but my STD is too high for accurate shooting past 450 yards. I have successfully taken multiple big game animals out to 420 yards, but we do practice out to 1,000 yards. It is a Tikka action and barrel, Manners stock with an Ultradyne break, and Leopold VX6 optic. The load ELD-X 200gr, Lapua brass, Federal 215M primer, 78.0gr Mag Pro - resulting in cold bore average of 2920fps with STD 4.6 and a 5 shot average at 2933 with a STD of 10.6. I think it would be a much better investment to buy a better barrel and powder scale to reduce my STD / group than a new cartridge.
I have a custom barreled 26” 300 WM That blows the doors off my 24” Bergara Premier in 300 PRC.
That being said, that Bergara just dropped into a new $2000 Spuhr chassis and has a 28” McGowen heavy barrel on the way. I definitely recognize the higher potential of the 300 PRC for mile + shooting, but inside 1000 yards, either one will get it done.
Great video guys, I'd love to see load development with both of these cartridges tightened up but I'd suggest the 200 gr ELD-X in the 300 win mag vs the 212 gr ELD-X in the 300 prc. I have a browning x bolt long-range chambered in 300 win mag with a 1 in 8 twist factory set- up. It hates 180 gr bullets but comes into it's own with 200 gr bullets. Thanks for all of the awesome videos.
I just bought a Barrett MRAD in 300PRC. Was going in between PRC and Win Mag for a long time. Eventually decided on PRC just so I have the capability of going even further. I plan on hunting deer, bear and elk with this rifle too
The one mile comparison will be a great video!
Good video!
I've owned both, and the 300PRC is the clear winner for me.
I was able to use it to win a KYL challenge at an ELR competition against many larger, more powerful cartridges.
Congrats on your win!
@guyminer2384 Thank you!
I still shoot the 300 Weatherby. I have replaced the barrel and neck-size my cases and it beats both of these cartridges. I have a 30" barrel, and it shoots 180 grain bullets at 3400 fps and 212 ELD-X's and Berger 215 Grain Hybrids at 3125 fps. I use IMR7828 SSC
I'd imagine that you're getting excellent accuracy with a custom barrel and neck sizing!
If y’all do the mile competition I want y’all to give each caliber it’s best load. 😎
I went with a custom 30 Nosler with a 30" 5 groove 1-8.5 twist PacNor barrel. I handload, so no issue with not finding factory ammo everywhere. I have never shot a critter much past 400 yards. Since I tend to hunt in high-desert areas with lots of wind, I wanted a heavier bullet. A 300 WM or PRC would have served me as well but I wanted something a bit different than everyone else.
I’ve owned both and I’ll have to say a 300 PRC ELDM 225 grain is hard to beat. 300 Win mag was designed primarily to shoot 180 grain factory bullets and barreled to do so but to get heavier bullet you would have to hand load and then most of the time the bullet pushed into the case capacity. The 300 PRC was designed to shoot long heavy high BC bullets accurately at long distance. I sighted my rifle in at 100 yards with 225 ELDM factory loads pushing 3030 FPS with a 30 inch barrel and went to 900 yards at 17.75 MOA of elevation. I then shot 1215 yards at 29 MOA in elevation.
I would have been alot more impressed if the made the 300 prc into a standard long action instead of the magnum length. 300 win mag loaded long does every bit of what the 300 prc does.
I slightly disagree. The chamber tolerances aren’t as tight. If you are shooting perfect ammo then maybe. Still the rifling twist isn’t the same
@@jasonrussell8969did it translate into any accuracy difference though?
@@jasonrussell8969 I don't entirely disagree but there are tighter chamber spec reamers and a barrel swap isn't hard. I get out to a mile with 200 gainers and 208s, the 1-10 does fine for me.
Lol no it doesn't. Not even!
In terms of ballistics, a 300prc is more comparable to a 300wby mag than a 300win mag.
Both are solid. I went 1 up with a 30Sherman mag. (Tweaked 300PRC) with the right powder I can push a 245-250 gr class bullet at 3,000.. very accurate
I love my 30 Sherman. Definitely a round that is worth considering if you’re dedicated to reloading. They flat out move and you don’t have to run max charge to get there. The same applies to the 7 Sherman Short, just a little better than the 7 SAUM.
What barrel length are you running?
@ 28inch on my 30SM , 26 inch on my 7max, 6.5ss
@@Stuart-n7z very nice!
I have a 26” proof research barrel, terminus Kratos action, 300 prc with 225 eldm. Killed an elk at 626 yards!
Congrats on your elk!
The better out of the two is whichever you have in your safe..
Since no one is hunting at ranges at which the PRC offers significant advantage, 300WM will remain the popular choice for hunters, even in a new rifle, as 300WM will be ammo more available.
300 Win Mag Marine snipers still use I like the 300 win mag. Semper-Fi
Yup, you’re right. They use the Mk-22 MRAD, what I have. They have the 220 grain bullet seated at 3.500 and I reload and get the same ballistics, I’m shooting milk jugs at 1,000 rather easily. I’m not going to the PRC….
I’m also retired from the Marines
Videos on my channel
@@MountaintravelerEddieisn’t the irony here that you mention the MRAD, but that came out of (or was selected by) the same DoD ASR program that also saw the 300 PRC developed and eventually selected? Ya picked the new gun, but not the round haha.
They’ll stick with the win mag for a while, but the PRC was (is) the better round if cost and availability isn’t an issue, ie military. At least once they actually start getting them out there.
@ you don’t sound like you have ever dealt with the DoD and know how it works…..before I retired from the Corps in 2015, there was a lot of talk about the .300 Norma Mag taking over the realm of all precision ammo for the ASR. So basically when I first heard and dealt with the program when I was stationed at MCMWTC, Barrett had the multi caliber rifle and I liked it. It made logical sense. Hornady was then trying to optimize the whizbang science for the new round .300 PRC….it wasn’t able to be procured quick, civilians jumped on it super quick due to marketing. Caliber wise, training with the 7.62x51 (.308) and using the .300 Win mag for all other applications since it was already set in the DoDIC lists, it’s easier to order for training. Now that I’m retired, I just stick with the win mag as it’s got all I need for a round, I reload it as well. I keep it logistically simple. .308 rifle…Mk-39 EBR and the MRAD….308 / 300 win mag. I got the Norma Mag barrel, but I don’t use it. Notice it’s all .30 cal. I shoot 220 grain ammo out of my .308 and .300 win mag. As for the PRC….it burns more powder compared to the win mag and for civvies, that’s money you don’t have if you reload. I’m just looking at it from a logical standpoint. Seems you got sucked into the marketing gig of the new “latest and greatest since sliced bread”…..when you shoot 800+ rounds of .300 win mag a day or more for training…..and it’s a 2 month training……welcome to how the military does training. We know the rifles like the back of our nutsacks. They aren’t safe queens and shot as some Billy Bob range. They aren’t cleaned as much and they aren’t babied. Anyways…..you don’t sound like you served or dealt with anything remotely with the DoD.
@@MountaintravelerEddie My brother still in the Corps you been out to long still 300 Win Mag
@@phillombardi9438 hey how you doing? Where is he stationed? Yeah, It’s been a minute.5)3 .300 Win Mag got the job done in quite a few places. It’s been around for so long, what’s weird is you can’t find 220 gain match ammo readily available in the .300 Win Mag like you can the hunting ammo that only goes up to 185 grain around here.
The 300 PRC is just a modern-day variant of the 300 WM. The WM does everything the average shooter needs it to do just as well as the PRC.
In that case the “average shooter” probably doesn’t need the win mag either.
The DoD started the Advanced Sniper Rifle competition for a reason, and selected the 300 PRC for a reason as well. At longer ranges, it IS better. You can’t get that weight and BC out of a win mag, period.
@@EstorilEmsee the problem is, your average hunter isn’t shooting past 500 yards (hunting or target shooting) more than a couple of times in their life, .300 Win Mag is also a perfect do it all round for a hunter and it’s a great long range (400-700 yards or so) round, whereas the PRC is more expensive, is less useful for hunting cuz it has no real advantage in ethical hunting distances, AND it’s really only advantageous towards a shooter past 800 yards anyways, it’s great for the military, but the average shooter can stick with a .300 Winchester for their entire life and be just fine, there’s no need for a PRC if you are a hunter, which is fine because they are competition cartridges
@@EstorilEmoh and it usually comes in the magnum length actions so your rifle is heavier and less useful in the mountains (where you get the most advantage out of it)
Just loaded 100 rounds of 300 Win Mag. Used 50 old Sierra 180 gr. full metal jacket target bullets and 50 190 gr. Sierra MK. Bullets. Fairly conservative charge weight of VVN 560 in the 180’s and also conservative load of H 4350 with the 190 gr. Bullets. Don’t want to use hot loads as this is to be a Christmas gift. I expect to get around 2750 fps. For some reason that velocity has always worked well for me. Haven’t shot this rifle in 30 years but the most accurate bullet back then was the 155 gr. Sierra Palma bullet. Don’t know the velocity but it must have been pretty fast.
I chose the 30 Nosler over PRC. In fact I had two built. Both with my reamer specs, as the saami spec chamber needs help in my opinion.
As someone who has a 7mm Rem Mag, my next .30 cal rifle will be a 30-30. Followed closely by the 300PRC. Hand loads for sure.
Honestly where I hunt mainly mountains and small valley's within NF under 150yds the 300wm does the job when I use it (rarely). My go to calibers 30-06 and 35whelen. But if I had to pick between the two (PRC or WM) I'm staying with the 300WM.
My 300 win mag is a Remington 700 Sendero trued up and rebarreled by Precision Rifle and Tool in Mebane NC with a 28 in Hart barrel 1in11 twist and shooting 180 accubons at 3270. Sd of 9 with a full charge of RL23. .4 moa or better if I do my job..
Hart... I had one of their barrels in 308 Win long ago. What a shooter!
I love my 300 PRC HMR. Still working up loads for it. Wish it was 1:8.5 instead of 1:9 so I could load ELD-M 250 grain. Using the rifle for deer, elk, and bear. Worked up loads using H1000, Retumbo, and Winchester StaBALL HD. I am getting 0.4 to 0.9 MOA with these loads using ELD-X 212 grain bullets, Lapua Brass, and CCI primers. I find your content honest and accurate. I like the fact you do not bash a manufacturer or a caliber. I agree if you have a 300 Win Mag and are hunting 500 yards and under, there is little reason to switch. I did not have a magnum rifle and wanted to shoot long range outside of hunting, so I purchased the 300 PRC. I really like the combination of Gavin and Guy making videos and doing load work together. It provides different perspectives and preferences. Your website on the topics fills in details and complements the videos well. Keep cranking out material!!!
The biggest test should be with "hunting " bullets instead of Eld-x and Eld-m and Berger. Most folks who are able to elk hunt or get the opportunity to hunt in Africa are going to run Nosler Partitions and Accubonds, Swift A-frames, and Scirocos along with various Barnes monolithic bullets. At a hunting standpoint, it would be a more representative test. But the high bc bullets do illustrate both cartridges' potential. Truth be told your game animal won't know the difference at ethical distance. I will say both cartridges have their place and merits. I will say the win mag definitely earned its reputation. As far as availability of ammunition, it wins out. You are more likely to find the win mag in remote parts of the world and country. I can attest to this. In a mom and pop general store in Appalachia in WV, I can confirm that said store does have .300 win mag on the shelf. The PRC is yet to be accepted by mainstream hunters and professionals alike. I think the PRC is more of a specialized and niche cartridge. Where as the win mag is an all arounder. In my opinion I think the .300 PRC will be accepted because it's a .30 cal. The US is still largely a .30 cal nation. Also because of this I think it will do better sales wise compared to 6.5 and 7mm counter parts.
As allways fun to watch and educational. Loads of info and welth of experiance in your videos from both of you. I am from Iceland and I live in Norway, hunt almost everything from ducks up to moose. And just bought my first dedicatet prs-rifle. But anyway. Here on the other side of the pond we have many great opsions and I hope you guys would finde it interesting to have a look and try? .... 300 Norma Mag, 8x68s, 9,3x62, 6,5x55 (handloads), 7x64, 8,5x55 .... many exelent rounds. You should have a look :)
I'm running that exact rifle in 300 PRC. On a 30 degree day I'm running 220 ELD-X at 2900 fps. Sub-half MOA at 500. Has taken antelope, deer, and elk at anywhere from 65 to over 500 yards, including a finishing head shot for a friend's wounded elk at 475. It's no joke of a caliber. Using Hornady brass, and getting about 6-7 reloads before primer pockets loosen up too much.
Nice. I've just done a load development for the 220s. Heading out this arvo go see how they go. Still need a chronograph tho
My factory 300wm rifle allows coal up to 3.9. 1/10 twist has zero issues stabilizing heavy high bc bullets. The belt means nothing, I have two batches of brass with over 12 firings. 300prc literally does nothing new at all.
Its pretty simple lol do you have a 300wm? If you do no need for the prc unless youre beyond mortal status and shooting things really far away as in beyond a 1000 yards. If you dont have the winmag and you want a new magnum buy the prc of course it has advantages its new technologies.
I'm shooting an MPA 300PRC with a 1:9 twist at longer ranges (Berger 215s) and getting great results from 1000 to 1760 yards. Great velocities and low SDs which really helps. I sold my 7 REMMGAG because I didn't like the belt (all my other rifles -- 308 Win, 6.5 CM, etc., all don't have belts). BTW, the Bergers are great in the 300 PRC. I used to shoot Hornady 225 ELDMs, but switched to Bergers (I point the bullets) and am very happy with them.
I got Xbolt 300wm 1-8” 150gr bullets going 3450fps. Half MOA on steel at 500yd
Outstanding!
I have the Bergara wilderness in 300 PRC AND A CVA Cascade in 300 PRC. I actually like the cascade better because it’s lighter.
My 2cents wort. I built a 300PRC for four main reasons. (1) I did not already have a 30 cal magnum (2) I built a rifle for ELR and wanted to shoot the heavy and long 230gr A-Tips (3) I prefer the slightly longer neck on the 300PRC over the 300WM’s shorter neck (4) Just personal preference, but I do not particularly like belted magnums. But if you do a custom built 300WM (not to SAAMI spec) so that the throat length is not such a restriction on case capacity, they are for all practical intents and purposes identical, even for ELR work. For hunting, buy the one you can get for the best deal.
Nice review. You've done 7PRC/7mm Rem Mag, and now 300 PRC/300 WinMag. How about 6.5 PRC & 6.5 SAUM comparison?
I have never owned a 300WM but I’m in the process of building a 300 PRC i have read a lot about both and feel that the PRC is a better choice for me in ELR matches.
Let's see a 300 weatherby
I saw a test on TH-cam. If you properly throat the win mag for the longer pills it’s actually stronger. Win mag pushed the 230’s @ 2950fps and the PRC could only oush the 220’s @ 2950
I don’t think that is an accurate representation…the PRC has more case capacity, and rated to a higher pressure (albeit 1000psi more). All things being equal (barrel speed, etc) the PRC wins by a small margin for reloaders. Factory vs factory, it’s a much larger margin.
@@jonathanperillo1795how do you figure the PRC wins exactly? Just in this video which is one example, the WM holds 1gr more powder. The WM has more case capacity, which in turn, is more velocity. Again, which is shown in these tests.
There’s nothing the PRC can do that the WM can’t, and the WM has been there and done it before the PRC case was even thought of. The only real difference is the PRC was designed with heavy for caliber, High B.C bullets in mind.
@@RockinLOutfitters the 300PRC has a greater case capacity, which means more powder (very small difference). The 300PRC is throated longer so the bullets do not eat into the case capacity (mostly an issue for factory offerings, you can get a longer throat WM). 300PRC is technically rated to a higher pressure. All of these things are more meaningful for factory loads, where they compound on each other. These are not factory loads, just arbitrary handloads (not max loads). I said it isn’t an accurate representation of the cartridges, and those are the reasons why. Both are very close to each other and custom guns will run neck and neck. Factory rifles there is a small difference, but a difference. One isn’t better than the other…they’re nearly identical when built up.
@ I should’ve said “usable capacity”.
The 300 Hart was designed way before the PRC.
As a HUNTER, I've always liked the 300 Win and currently own several. I also own a 300 Weatherby and a 300 RUM. When the chips are down, my 300 RUM gets the nod- Period. But since I have rifle disease, I decided to try a 300 PRC. I favor hunting rifle designs despite having built custom rigs. To me, they just feel more like target guns. I just purchased a CVA Cascade in 300 PRC, thinking it just might become my go-to 30 cal. It has many features I like, and I can't wait to see how it shoots 212 factory loads. The idea presented by Hornady is that one could buy a budget rifle and factory ammo, then go hunt. I do like that bigger 212 ELDX, despite many writing it off. I suspect it will hammer elk, black bear, moose, and deer, say out to 450 yards or so. To me, a reasonable hunting distance. I'm not interested in sniping game at 1,000 yards, nor long-range target shooting. I know any of my 30 magnums can do 450, but my gut tells me the 300 PRC is in that 30 caliber goldilocks zone of recoil, accuracy, and thumping ability out there. The 300 PRC just might end up being my only 30 magnum? This comes from a hunter who also has a 6.5 PRC, 7 PRC, and 375 Ruger! Eventually, I intend to cut my overlaps way back, as I am fascinated with adding a semi custom 35 Whelen and 458 Winchester. I would also love to see a 338 PRC 😊
Browning x-bolt max long range in 300WM came from the factory with a 1-8 twist. I own one and absolutely love it.
I spend a bit of time hunting in Africa with my 300wm. At the point when every ph has a box of 300prc in his Land Cruiser I might consider changing- but then, what would be the point? As Guy rightly says, an animal at 400yds doesn't know the difference. Very enjoyable video.
Have a 300PRC and hunt from springbok, Impala, Blesbok, Kudu and Eland with it on 178gr Hornady 178 ELDX. Know you know all about those bucks in South Africa Gavin😊
Prc cartridges offer distinct advantages for guys pushing monos out at distance too.
I have a custom 26” barrel 300 win mag with a 1:8.5 twist and target chamber with a .001 free bore. I am working up loads for the 230 and 250 grain A tips.
I'll bet that's a shooter!
I like the .375 Ruger case and I am surprised that Ruger hasn't come out with it necked down to .338"!
In the .375 I was able to exceed 5,000 ft.lbs. out of a 22" Ruger with the 300 grain monolithics with several different powders. One advantage not noted with the PRC looks like the turbulence point will be more localized in the PRC case neck which should extend the barrel life of the PRC versus the .300 WM...
though I haven't seen a good apples to apples comparison on rounds fired with high SD projectiles versus the lower SD variants.
Lastly, with regards to ELR shooting in general. There are a host of factors that will constrain the realization of such pursuits... ranging from impact signature
requirements, spotter requirements,
range availability, optics, the increased influence of wind and shot to shot SD's given the trajectory curves encountered at extreme range...et al.! ELR shooting is generally a team competition! The .300 Win Mag. is more tailored for average competitor/hunter and as noted by a number of others here, vastly more available and a fast twist .300 Weatherby would no doubt give the PRC some probably insurmountable competition.
With regards to your videos content...from what I can tell you have no real competition with regard to the level of detail and type of content that you provide. Keep up the excellent work and keep your powder dry!
Does the elk or deer know if the bullet is going 3000 fps or 2800 fps if it’s a 180 gr or 150gr when it rips through there body
I go to a rem700 custom 300 PRC 32" LW barrel with 8/1 twist. Because m'y actual rem700 dont stabilise heavier bullet than the 220grn in 26" barrel. I want more perf for the 1 miles target challenge
Hands down the only thing you gain in factory form is the PRC is going to allow you to have heavier bullets that are going a little faster than a Winnie.
Jump over to hand loading, the PRC will still out perform in factory form. Go custom chambers and it’s a toss up. Personally like the non belted. The only real difference is efficiency. Powder charge vs velocity is showing the benefit of case design.
Want to really capitalize, run the 30 Sherman. I push my 230 Hybrids out of my 26” comfortably at 3076fps. It will run mid 3100’s on a hotter load. What does it boil down to? Are you a factory shooter with factory rounds or do you want to reload? And if you want to reload, how deep are your pockets.
I went for a Howa 1500 SHB barreled action in 300PRC and dropped it into a stockies carbon fibre stock for under $1500AUD including a set of talley rings. I'm currently running eld-X 212's, however I'm going to load up some 208gr LRX's as its a dedicated Sambar rifle. That was the reason i went for the PRC over the WM, Barnes recommends a 1 in 8.5" twist for their 208's and a 1 in 8 for their 212gr LRX which I will eventually go to.
I just picked up a browing x bolt in 300wm thay had a 1:8 twist. Havent had a chance to shoot it yet. Also have a savage with a 1:9 twist and a 3.850 oal magazine. I load 212eldx's long at 3.570 , doing 2875 fps. Its a tack driver out to a 1000 yards, dont have anywhere to shoot further.
I’m so confused. First of all, I have experience with reloading for both, and I had reloaded heavier than 200 grain for prc, my barrel is 1:10, my gfs is what ever the bergara twist rate was. We got no where near the speeds I got shooting my 200 grains, using more powder, (h4831sc) then we swapped to 200 grains and started seeing pressures at 3000 fps, I and comfortably shooting 200 grains at 3000 fps and touching holes at 200 off a bipod and a bag.. how is the prc better for long range if it can get the speeds the prc is doing with less, and do probably better. My sd is 4.6 or lower based off my garmin xero. I’ve impacted targets just over 1500 yards. 1000 isn’t even worth mentioning. This one episode specifically, doesn’t make sense to me. Literally I’ve had both on my bench, and we were trying to make my gfs bergara match or beat my 300 wm. My seating depth is also 3.470.
There are a couple of weaknesses in both sets of cartridges I felt weren't covered.
Free bore tolerances may be tighter and may or may mot translate to a "more accurate platform" (Which was debatable as you guys had stated) but with those tighter tolerances that you are going to have you are going to be having to be cleaning your rifle more often to avoid pressure signatures. That to me favors the 300WM and the 7mm RM over the 300 and 7 PRC
Belted vs non belted handloading is bumped off the shoulder on the PRC's vs the Belt off the Win and Rem mags: That translates to case life. The PRC's being off the shoulder should in theory last longer over the WM/RM that are off the belt because off the belt sometimes you may be pushing the shoulder back farther than necessarily needed. Which favors the PRC's
Factory ammunition offerings in two parts the 300 PRC and the 7MM PRC are infant newborns compared to the WM/RM counterparts (1) globally the WM/RM have been around since '63/'62 Vs the PRCs 2018/2022 if I hunt abroad and go into any gun store there I would be more likely to find the WM/RM's over the PRC's just due to age. (2) is prices you'll pay an average of $20-26 more per box over the WM/RM
Those are three things I'd consider too, as of the moment the PRC's are more of a North American flare, life expectancy to be determined. Remember a lot of cartridges have tried to overthrow the 30-06 and the 308 Winchester(which is always debated) and have failed. These cartridges are time tested, tried, and true. Only time will be the determining factor and also how far they're willing to drop the prices on the PRC's to WM/RM equivalents
Great video. 2 years ago I couldn’t decide which of these 2 calibers I should have gotten in these exact same firearms. Being it was going to be my first magnum gun, I figured I should at least start out with the Win Mag. Plus it will be a great excuse later to get another firearm later in PRC. 🤷🏼♂️
I chose a win mag as well a little over a year ago. Shoots 215 Bergers, great!
WHEN DO WE GET THE 338, PRC ??????????????????
Can the prc shoot 150gr?
By the data shown on this video, the 300 win wins.
Iv taken a lot of game with the 300 weatherby amd 30-06. Both do great I just trust the weatherby to do better at distance. I use in both rifles usely 180 grain
I went thru all this before buying my 300 win mag. The 300 PRC can edge the 300 win mag out in velocity but the thing that made me go with the 300 win mag was ammo availability and load data.. there's basically load data for every load combo you can think of for the 300 win mag, it's been around for ever, so it's not going any where. The same can't be said for the 300 PRC. I do feel it's a tiny bit better than the win mag, but other problems that may come up with the PRC seemed like it wasn't worth it. I use the Berger 215 hybrid bullets and they are great. Right at .700 B.C. basically, .697. guys shoot 1500+ yards with those in 300 win mags. I've heard of guys shooting the 225's out to a mile or further also.
The biggest problem with most 300WM rifles is the magazines, not the chamber. The 300WM chamber allows for loading much longer bullets than most people think or realize. Because of the larger .315" freebore diameter and the slightly shallower 1.4436° (1°26'37") throat angle for the Win Mag, the overall base to Ogive length for any given bullet at land contact that the Win Mag chamber can take is only about .045" shorter than the 300PRC.
Basically that SAAMI 3.340 COAL for the 300WM is due to the Mag length of many older rifles and old short bullets. Put any 300wm in a Stock or Chassis that can take longer mags (like 3.850 CIP length mags) and you can easily handload rounds much longer than the 3.340 spec length, thus not eating up nearly as much powder space in the case.
11:55 Interestingly, there is something going on with the WM that has it always seeming to edge out the PRC in MV. This video shows it with the 180's and the 212's, Mark from Mark and Sam Afterwork saw same thing with 250 A-tips and even was getting pressure signs in the PRC at a lower MV than the WM and I saw virtually the same thing with 230 A-Tips (ran into pressure signs at a lower MV than I could get them pushed to in the 300WM (both Factory Savage Barrels swapped back and forth on the same 110 action). Mark mentioned in a Video that he thinks it has something to do with the Long Skinny vs. Short Fat case difference but I honestly think it has more to do with the throat difference (kind of like the 223 vs. 5.56 throat difference allowing the 5.56 to be safely loaded to quite a bit higher pressures)
Obviously if you're buying new get the new cartridge! But like me, if you're inheriting something in 7mm Mag or 300 Win Mag, leave them alone if they still shoot, go have fun with them!
I also love my Bergara HMR! I load 6.5 creedmore on the progressive press and still shoot Sub MOA!
I’ve been waiting years for this video was just talking to ray helms Tuesday about this. If I load them the same should they be the same .
You guys should add on the 308 norma magnum
They are both awesome! The mag is proven and the PRC is genius. God bless 30 Cals 🤠
Running a stiff load of RL26 under the 225 ELD-M in my Bergara HMR 300 win mag. This is a laser.. 0.3 MOA at 2968fps average with an SD of 5. I'll never change this load for this rifle. Try some of that RL26! You'll be impressed!
Outstanding! However RL-26 is really hard to get anymore. Alliant has suspended shipments of their powders.
@guyminer2384 that sucks...I worked out this load and stocked up on the same lot # of the powder. I think I have about 4 or 5 pounds of it left.
@@trevorteague8430 - ya - I'd been using RL-22 in several rifles for a couple of decades. Good loads. Take a look at Ramshot Grand.
Only thing I’d change on my 300WM is the twist rate. 1:10 is out of date for heavy projectiles and a 150-175 doesn’t meet my objectives. I can stabilize the 210 grain Nosler ABLR, but keyhole the 190 Barnes LRX’s in similar loads.
I think you should try 300 win mag with 220 class bullets, it's what the new ish army 300 win mag is based around. When they changed from the 190 to 220 grain it made the 300 win a 1500 yard gun.
I know 2 guys that own everything under the sun, both said they can load their 300win similar to the PRC. But the PRC is allot easier to build a load for and it shoots every bullet they throw at it very well. Where the Win in my experience can shoot incredibly well but takes allot of trial and error to find that perfect load
Equivalent rounds shooting the same bullet with the same powder under 500 yards I would expect what you found. The 300 prc having faster twist should stabilize heavy bullets how about a test like that, 200 + bullets out of both at 500 - 1000 yards and check for accuracy?
I would love to see how it compares to the 300 Weatherby.
I think this comparison doesn't fully appreciate the improvements of the chamber design on the 300 PRC. From just a performance comparison between the two it is very close. But there is a reason why there are so many custom WMs, because the sammi spec leaves a lot on the table and 300 PRC solves all of those issues in a factory format.
just an FYI. I have a Nemo Omen and they twist theirs 1:8
I like my win mag cause that’s what I have but the case design of that prc does give it an edge. I down load my win with 180s to 2920 anyway for deer so don’t really need anything more!
I appreciate your commentary on the 300 I'm/ 300PRC I would tell you that I just finished building a 300WSM with a Douglas 1-9 twist barrel and I would like to hear your comparison between the two.
Thank you so much for sharing your videos.
300 win mag long throat out to 3.685 on a 24” doing excellent work
Which ever you can shoot better!! it comes down to price / shot for me , the cheaper one means more rounds down range... more practice is better!!