Do You Need A Fancy Rifle For Training?
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- Lucas shoots a $720 PSA/Holosun blem rifle build against Brandon who uses a $9k+ KAC rifle build in a series of drills. Can you have a "budget" training rifle to build the skills necessary to be a proficient shooter?
These videos are what we want. Keep them coming!
You got it!
@@TREXARMS thank God we finally have some content again. Love it
Honestly this channel has grown on me so damn much…. Really appreciate what you all do!
Thanks for not dogging the PSA, and showing the importance of training. Some people hear the hype or trash talk and blame a cheap gun for their performance.
@@TREXARMSGod bless you guys and the team.
TRAINING RIFLES help you get good and therefore looks way cooler.
the comment from @9HoleReviews is the biggest flex 😆 Thanks for habing Brandon on as well. So often when "cast" are added they're annoying. Love everyone in these vids
Never forget thë USS Liberty and the men who died on that day
Somebody with a bog standard PSA who has trained with $8000 worth of ammo is much scarier than someone who bought a $9000 rifle and trained with $100 worth of ammo.
@@budget.88 we will never forget... you will not let us.
“I do not fear the man who has shot 400 rounds from his $8000 KAC, I fear the man who has shot 8000 rounds from his $400 PSA.”
-Confucius
Confucius was a wise man
Spot on !!
When you find someone who shot 8000 rounds from his $400 PSA and takes it to battle let me know
No PSA rifle ever costs $400, bud
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 you can get a basic PSA build for $330 with free shipping right now bud
I’m most interested in the little tape dispenser to cover the holes.
So much faster than a roll of painters tape.
Welcome to 1987.
Yeah, i think that thing is the biggest upgrade. less time managing targets, more actual range time
just get an infinity target. Been awesome for me so far
Google CED Quick Patch Deluxe Tape Gun
Not gonna lie the tape dispenser was probably the thing I wanted the most out of this vid lol
People in the comments will say “it’s gonna last way longer than 10k rounds without replacing any parts”
have probably never put 10k rounds through a AR. Bolt rings and extractors are supposed to be replaced before then and a inexpensive barrel is likely seeing accuracy degradations around then.
personally in my defensive guns I replace stuff when it should be replaced. Which is not very expensive. A brand new microbest milspec bcg is $89. Or you can spend $15 on rings/extractors/cam pin.
Regular guy training has a bunch of long term tests on several ARs id recommend his channel if your looking for the best bang for your buck.
⌚ Europa the làst bättle
Please tell me where you can buy one of those Microbest phosphate BCGs for $89.
As a former poverty enjoyer, I put a PSA 16" melonite .625" FSB upper on an anderson lower; assembled with a PSA LPK and buffer tube assembly. From 2016 to 2018 I made it through 16k rounds of steel cased ammo and maybe a few hundred rounds of brass cased ammo.
What I learned was that steel cased ammo is very dirty and unreliable, ~3-5 failures per thousand.
Gas rings and extractors are wear parts and need to be replaced.
Occasionally the extractor would rip through the case's extraction groove; this is quite possibly the worst jam in an ar.
The first group I put through it was with hornady 55gr soft point and it shot ~3.5" at 100yds with whatever trash tier optic I had at the time. The last group I shot through it was about 6" at 100yds with the Eotech I had replaced the trash tier red dot with.
I think it was worth having a cheap AR at that point in my life as it taught me so much about the system; what works, what doesn't and what breaks. Now, I can afford something better but that was my only option for an AR at the time.
Eh depends , it depends on how finished the BCG is. If the chamber where the bolt tail resides and rings make the seal are rough, then yeah they are going to wear out faster. But after 10K rounds you should think about replacing the BCG anyway, Depending on how the rifle is gassed, and if you're using FRT or binary triggers then this can increase wear on the bolt lugs, which are the things that most often fail long before rings. Even with leaky rings the rifle can function if you have an adjustable gas block. But if the rings are worn then there is a good chance which the bolt tail chamber is worn as well and out of spec. Just replace the whole thing. Wilson combat makes good BCGs and they are about 175-ish bucks. And if you do the math 10000 rounds at 2K a year is five years. Don't tell me you can't save 35-50 bucks a year. for a high quality and complete BCG. And there are "better ones" for a bit more or less depending on what you believe. it's difficult to make an objective decision about this because the better BCGs are all made of the same material. Is carpenter steel better in this BCG than this BCG that uses the same type of steel? Dunno. You tell me.
At 10K rounds, it's good to do a complete tear down of the rifle and inspect it for wear: is the upper being worn by the BCG and is it not running true; is the battery locking lugs deformed or worn; what do the feed ramps look like; inspect the barrel for wear - what does the crown look like - check the headspace; check the trigger springs/assembly; how does the safety detent feel - is it sloppy or does it have a positive click?; buffer tube sitting square/loose; etc. This should always be done when cleaning, -- inspecting, but this would be a more comprehensive examination. Basically, your mindset is looking for anything that doesn't look right no matter how small so you can repair or replace it.
I look at all parts of the rifle besides the barrel and BCG as consumables and you can get away with buying economical lower parts and using the saved money on getting higher quality BCG.
But if you do want to replace the parts, or buy them incase of the SHTF, they are not expensive and you'll have a tough time telling me the difference between CMMG/Areo/PSA/WC from each other. Because I think there's only really three or four companies which make those parts.
If you read this far thank you for your time. Happy shooting, and aim small miss small.
I haven't seen a video where Lucas looks like he's actually having fun like this in quite a while. You love to see it
Biggest takeaway: doesn't matter whether you have a several hundred dollar platform or a multi-thousand dollar platform. Train hard with whatever platform you plan to ACTUALLY use/carry. Same goes for kit...
This, Doesnt matter the price, only thing that matters is it works, and you know how to work it.
@@glitter_fart Exactly 💯
You mean all those guys that told me I can only shoot knights or sig mcxs were lying to me?!?
@@samgoral4 Of course not! *wink
I hope to be getting a Rattler in. 300 BLK, myself!
@@samgoral4 Sigs are not high end guns. Shouldnt even be in the LMT KAC conversation
I’d much rather see a break down of why someone would pay that much for an AR VS a budget one and showing what happens at high round counts with both. It’s obvious you can still train with it but you all have the money/ammo to truly test these weapons. That’s what I’d like to see personally.
I think we'd all enjoy seeing stuff like a 5K/10K break down on a rifle --- even if it's over the career of the gun, etc. I know a few publications have done this in the past, particularly when ammo was cheaper. There was a test done by someone where they put something like 5-10K of Wolf steel ammo through a number of guns to see what it would do to the barrels, etc.
I'm pretty confident that diminishing returns would start to appear pretty low on the price hierarchy.
There are tons of videos on this subject. Maybe not on this channel but this has been answered
@@col.cottonhill6655 uh yeah so…. Lucas asked what we wanted to see in a recent video and I’m answering that… if you don’t agree you don’t need to waste your time commenting… I obviously want to see their opinion on it. Idk what’s so hard to get…
@@brian-8814 I’m not so sure. I’ve seen the bcg inspections and many other break downs on high end parts and often times I do not see why people pay triple or even more the price for something only maybe slightly better at the extremes I’d agree we would see diminishing returns but what about psas higher end with fn barrels vs a bcm etc I do agree it’d be more interesting across the mid tiers but I also do not see what people are spending thousands of dollars on ars for, besides a name of course
A couple years ago I bought a PSA with their 14.5" CHF barrel, upgraded BCG, and EPT trigger on sale for about $850. I won't say it is jUsT aS gOOd as a much higher end rifle, but it has been very reliable and accurate over a few thousand rounds. If you've never given PSA a shot, you might be really surprised what a good value some of their stuff is.
How are their AKs? I've never shot one but I own a couple of Chinese pre-bans
@@col.cottonhill6655 I've never owned one, but I think they generally get good reviews.
They’re great and they get better all the time. Not quite as well finished as a Zastava but a little easier to modify down the road. Far better than American AKs used to be.
@@col.cottonhill6655 got a 105 and gen 5 AKM, both great
Rob Ski has beat the crap out of some PSA AKs with great results. The 74s had some issues early on iirc. But like anything PSA, the first few runs are spotty, then QC catches up and it's rock solid, and they've been making all of their AKs for years now.
As a Dutch guy who recently joined a gun club I'm able to purchase a firearm legally in about 7 months these videos are really helping me. Since I really have to do my research on which firearm I want to purchase for target practice these videos are a godsend.
How difficult is it to get an AR15 in the Netherlands? I know They are legal in Germany, but I got no idea about the Dutch.
@FinalLugiaGuardian Definitely not easy. You have to be a card carrying member of a officially recognized gun club for a year. Within that year you have to have 18 sessions with a firearm, stamped in a booklet by the club. Then you have to fill out a lot of paperwork and get a police inspection at your residence to show where you're going to be storing your firearm. This has to be a safe and you're not allowed to store your ammunition in the same safe unless the safe has another locked compartment. When you're cleared by the police you can buy whatever you want. Also good luck finding a gun store that has what you want and no fully automatic firearms. However, each subsequent year you have to have your 18 stamps from your training sessions to keep your license.
So yeah, definitely different from the US 😅
Buy a schmeisser
@@FinalLugiaGuardian in germany u gotta be also in a gunclub for at least 12 month, and been shooting 12-18 times this year, plus u gotta do a 3 days course with a test and all to get clarified of buying a rifle/handgun
@@Nyxeme I think the only country in the European Union that allows people to own machine guns is Sweeden, BUT only if you are a grandfather'd machine gun owner or the direct decendent of a grandfather'd machine gun owner AND only if your machine gun was grandfather'd in back in the 1970's.
In addition, you cannot shoot the machine gun at the range except under very controlled circumstances at a very few specific ranges and you can only shoot a few shots to verify that the grandfather'd machine gun still functions and then it goes back into the safe.
I think you make some very valid points. By the least expensive rifle you can and train like hell. I will go the PSA route as well. Thank you.
The rifle is a tool, the soldier is the weapon
Affirmative…2/75 Sua Sponte
@@assclapper2231"Soldiers" have been around long long before rifles were ever invented. Latin "Solidus" used to be a form of currency commonly used to pay Roman Legionaries and the word started to become slang for these low ranking warriors, and later morphed into our modern pronunciation through Old English and French. "Solidus" was fractionally similar to the Roman Libre as the Schilling was to the British Pound. All "soldier" really means is "regularly paid warrior".
This all being said, are all proficient riflemen soldiers? Definitely no. Are all soldiers proficient riflemen? Definitely no. There's a logically obvious disconnect between the tool and the person here. Just because someone gets paid to do a job doesn't mean they're better at the tasks their job entails than someone who does those tasks for non professional reasons. This is why many US service members never even touch a fully automatic service rifle. Our military knows well enough that a common infantryman, let alone a soldier cook, isn't skilled enough at handling a tool like that very effectively, and is liable to mag dump a suspicious tree three hours into a three day hump.
If you listen to former SEALS like Jocko Willink, or GBs like Evan Hafer then you would know they too fully believe the gun in their hands has absolutely nothing to do with what they were/are capable of. They would say "so what? Our enemies, who were often unpaid guerrillas and not "soldiers", use rifles similar in capability to ours, so the only thing that can stand us apart from them is knowledge and enough training to effectively apply that knowledge"
Lastly, that $450 PSA rifle shot in this video is a mil spec rifle. If you joined right now your armorer would issue you something similar in quality, but has been dragged through the mud and beaten against boulders, and if you so dared to say "this private has a defective rifle" after shooting a horrendously failing group, your DI/DS would simply take your rifle and shoot a passing group right on the spot to make you look like an idiot in front of everyone else. I'm willing to bet 49 out of 50 times it's never the rifle, and instead it's a 1 MOA gun with a 10 MOA dummy behind it.
Agree. I’ve thrown a lot of hate downrange with a beat to death M4 and never had any issues. I own a leadstar .223 wylde now stateside with a bunch of upgrades and I will tell you it really doesn’t matter.
I used both the A1 and the A2 M16's. Yeah, so, uhm, yeah dead is dead. In my picture you'll see me getting ready for live fire with gas masks on and I have the A1. At the time I thought it was the best rifle in the world. I also thought it was cool to get gassed while shooting live ammunition too though.
Never forget thë USS Liberty and the men who died on that day
I bought a PSA Freedom AR back in 2015 for $400. The rifle currently has over 12K rounds through it. The ONLY thing I have replaced on the rifle is the buffer tube spring. The rifling in the chrome lined FN barrel is still in good condition. I am still using the original bcg, I had the gas rings tested last year and it passed. In my opinion PSA offers the best budget friendly AR’s on the market.
Dude, you can buy a set of new gas rings for 2 dollars. Just do yourself a favor and switch them now, BEFORE they don't work anymore.
@@brianfischer5609i know right lol things like that should be replaced every couple thousand rounds imo since they are so cheap, just to be on the safe side.
I love how genuine and practical your content is man. Let’s stop making people feel like shit because they can’t afford a $5k weapon
There is nothing wrong with a tuned psa. Im a fan of the company
I had a premium PSA AR15 and it was a very good rifle. I even put an AAC 556 can on it. I have since upgraded to a 2012 Colt SOCOM with a titanium Banish can and what skills I have migrated with me.
Im a big fan also, couldn't afford gucci weapons since i have to buy gear and weapons for me and my wifey, sh** honestly my wifes kit is better than mine lol, want her to have the best we can afford.
They should have spent $40 - $70 more at PSA and got a better trigger, furniture, and maybe back up iron sights....and a mid length gas system would have helped with that "punch" they kept talking about.
If we support PSA, they will supply people with better cheaper guns
@@tacticalnewbe5745 trigger isnt really neccesary. You can shoot fast with a milspec, and not compensate lack of skill with immediate change of the trigger
Keep this content coming. It’s nice to see the poors taken care of!
Good video and definitely what i think some of us are looking for. More straightforward videos about things we all can relate to. Thanks for all you do
Low fade, high tech Marine. That might be the greatest thing I've ever heard. Using it.
I’d be more interested to see a round for round comparison on parts wear, stoppages, any issues, tolerances becoming out on anything rather than just shooting drills. I feel like that could provide a ton of value when comparing these 2 setups. Cheers!
I agree with that comment 💥👊💥
@@assclapper2231 Is that a realistic use case? I know a lot of people are preparing for end of the world type stuff, but I think most common sense "preppers" would say the goal is to AVOID firefights and neglecting equipment...
I use a set of psa(s) as ranch beaters to keep more expensive rifles from the abuse of ranch life. Years of riding miles in a sxs being coated in dust and dirt/rain & snow. I have come to love them more than those expensive rifles. They are always with me. Have always worked when I needed them to....
My .02
I own and enjoy nice gear but ANY rifle from ANY manufacturer can have problems. My friend's ultragucci $4500 KAC SR-25 sheared its gas key off inside of 250 rounds unsuppressed, it was down hard until KAC sent him a new bolt carrier, which they did inside of a week but still. If anything it illustrates the importance of having spares for your spares.
why don't you just buy a gun and shoot it, you will see how it wears.
I have several PSA AR-15s and some non-PSA AR-15s and I prefer the PSA rifles. I did upgrade the triggers, but then a milspec trigger in general kinda sucks. They have never let me down. No, I don't put 10k rounds through them per week like some people. What is really fun is when someone brags on their $4k gun then loses to you because their gun jammed. I don't care if mine is overgassed if it goes bang everytime I pull the trigger.
try the 550 paracord trigger job
What's the non psa's though? Omni? Bear creek? Lol.
I have comparable "budget" build, mostly aero parts. And I have a complete aero. I like both of them, but neither comes close to my DD lmao.
He’s using the exact same gun I just bought my wife, a Psa Blem 16” for 490. While it’s not quite the same tier as my BCM she loves it and it works and is really easy to upgrade components over time to get it to a mid to high tier level
I support all videos that showcase equipment most of us can afford.
Great video
Great shooting from both men .
It was the short straight to the point videos that I enjoyed and learned so much from on the concealed carry pistol and fundamentals of shooting from about 5-7 years ago.
I watched them several times
Been watching Lucas for so long, and I am never disappointed. Great info and purpose driven. Thanks for the video.
The answer is always, "yes." A fancy rifle = +2 attack, +2 defense, and +2 agility.
+2 charisma
Lol. Exactly what i was thinking. Like the more you pay really helps you move faster lol
x10 gey
+3 magic
Solid video. It’s great to see a channel and group listen to its viewers.
Bear independent made the best sense. Buy a yourself a rifle, then buy a back up rifle kitted to the same specs of your first rifle, then another back up to the back up same exact way, and finally a back up to the back up to the back up. I believe he shoots PSAs. So 4 of those PSA rifles with slings, irons, and red dots still come out significantly cheaper than just one of those Gucci rifles. And you do all of that so when something goes down with your primary, everything is kitted to exactly how you would shoot and you can carry on. Also, buying lots of back up parts is smart too. Incredible video guys. I always look forward to your releases.
@@assclapper2231so was Pokémon, that didn’t stop you.
@@assclapper2231 however exceptionally factual.
@@assclapper2231 ratioed, clown troll.
Sure sounds good, let me just grab the $10,000 i have between my couch cushions to buy 10 AR rifles and accessories! Super easy!
I got into guns 4 years ago and found your channel around the same time. Thank you for educating us. Great video, sir.
Make the Budget vs Rich rifle a series please
That's a fun interview format for a channel. Invite someone to come with their hottest setup and have a 1-gun run but they get to pick if they use their rifle or the PSA. If they win with the PSA they get the bragging rights so that's tempting.
Seems unnecessary since we all know the conclusion. "A $5000 rifle is better than a $500 rifle. But it's not 10x better. Training is more important than expensive gear. But expensive gear does have its benefits."
@@BrewMeister27 True. I'm talking from a entertainment stand point
Love seeing the competitive spirit when shooting with the boys. Also the stretching advice at the end lmao
Wants vs needs, it’s a blurry line when it comes to arms. 😎
Just ordered a PSA the other day. Waiting for it to arrive. Stoked to start training on it!
I have about $1250 into my first build and I could not be more happy with it. Just waiting on my T.Rex sling to get here ;)
YT algorithm actually recommended your channel, which is great. I didn't know TREX arms was a thing. Checking out your gear now. You guys are fast.
Was looking at getting a Sabre or piecing together something else, thanks for this vid Lucas!
You're welcome!
I would get the sabre
I've been starting to encourage people to buy PSA if they're just trying to break into the gun world.
It works well enough, and half the time these people are on the fence about being ar15 owners at all, so its better to get them over to our side by hanging that cheaper cost of entry then possibly lose them because they weren't ready to jump on a $1500 daniel defense/BCM build or whatever as their first gun.
facts. Always worth keeping in mind that 95% of all the best, most high achieving soldiers of any army achieved their objectives using the government standard issue stuff. If one forgets about the modern USA military for a sec, I´d safely say that PSA is better than bette than most government issued ahit around the world, at lease for the past 30-40 years. In other words, you are good.
Daniel Defense vs. Bravo Company, which one did y’all choose and why?
@@ThatGearCollector2002 Daniel Defense but that just cause I wanted an mk18 upper. The lower is made by Anderson though, lol.
I want to jump on a $1500 DD, where can I find this unicorn 🦄?
@Justin.Y808 right,? Lol
Lucas, we are setting up a Trust, for the family to be able to share NFA items. We found an attorney through our self defense insurer company. I’d love to see a video on the topic of a Trust and anything we need to look out for to make sure we do things by the book, after the Trust is in place. Love all your content. Thanks for the hard work putting these together.
I bought myself budget psa lowers combined with bca uppers, turned them into tactical Ars and i am very happy. Tweaking them can possible make them same quality as that 6k rifle in my opinion.🎉
We also need more of this guy on the channel. You might need a lense with bigger FoV because of his massive back
This long form content is what keeps me coming back
Based right on my lunch break
Based?
Based! If you know you know.....
My lunch break just ended. But I’m waiting on an advisor, so I’m watching this video while I wait. 😂
I’m on lunch too
Brandon used to shoot at my range quite a bit. I remember him talking to me about applying to work at T Rex
I got my feet wet with a $600 M&P 16" Sport, a $80 Bushnell TRS25 and a $40 Streamlight and no name $10 sling back in 2014. I then spent an untold amount on ammo and a few thousand on training and i wouldn't have done it any other way. I put about 6k+ rounds through that rifle and was surprised by its accuracy and reliability.
I later jumped to a BCM 14.5 for work and appreciate it a lot.
I recommend anyone on a budget to get a basic rifle like the one Lucas put together and train hard with it rather than spend all the budget on a Gucci build without any money for ammo, training and range fees left over.
Good stuff!
They should have spent $40 - $70 more at PSA and got a better trigger, furniture, and maybe back up iron sights....and a mid length gas system would have helped with that "punch" they kept talking about.
Guns from almost every manufacturer have, or will have, a breakage...excellent logic in this video that I can find no fault in. Economies of scale have made mass producing these parts very economical. These guns are an assembly of parts that are all manufactured in a quality way, the biggest issue in most guns these days is the human issue of assembly. You can usually find out what's wrong in the assembly pretty quickly.
Most people don't need a DDM4 for $1700. Most people could buy smth like an IWI Zion-15, a solid AR from a reputable manufacturer, for about $830 at Sportsmans Warehouse, and literally spend the remaining $870 on a budget optic/iron sights, ammo, and a training class. I'm sure you could build an AR yourself for even cheaper.
Don't become a slave to rampant consumerism. All you need is gun, ammo, training, and YOU.
Hell nah, remember those cheap barrels get hot at 30 rounds rapidly
This is legitimately one of the only responses I've seen that is well thought out and logical.
Thanks for the shout out on my 2016 Camry! 2" lift with Falken Wildpeak Trail tires is more underrated than a HM Defense rifle. Wear sunscreen. Great video.
Hardware wise, better performance is gonna come from attachments, ergonomics, and optics. As far as the reliability of the rifle itself, it seems like you just get diminishing returns after about $2k, probably less. Remember to train with your guns and lift heavy things, kings.
Also cardio, a lot. If you get tired after the first sprint, that its all.
Based 🤌
Training is key. TRAIN, TRAIN AND TRAIN.
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Love watching your content with my boys - Great family activity when we can't get outside.
looking forward to that PSA Saber 10.
Enjoying this format.
“Short form”
19minutes
Fine. No videos for you
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Love the little extra edits you added guys. They don't go unnoticed. Keep it up!
PSA is quality on a budget. Nothing wrong at all with PSA. PSA is a whole lot MORE gun than training. Buy it with confidence.
"Quality" lmao. I've seen more out of spec PSA parts than I care to remember.
Is your life not worth more than a $800 poverty rifle? A BCM isn't even $2k and you have a rock solid rifle. People spend far too much time defending poverty rifles when the could save for a few months and get a decent build.
PSA needs no defense. If there is ever an issue PSA makes it right. If spending thousands more then go for it. I shop at Walmart-Mart too so I guess i'm a deplorable, poverty stricken patriot.
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@@no-sway3709easy there, not everyone is a navy seal.
@@Warrior_Pilgrim QC was terrible with their former ceo. Chad is a pretentious asshole. My favorite was when he designed a PRS match that was so bad that the top shooter had under 50% impact rates. I wouldn't trust him to run a lemonade stand. He went to kusa after that but is no longer there either. "Just as good" mentality from the top down.
I remember not to long ago he had this kid in a video teaching him how to shoot a AR. He looked like he never run drills or practiced reloads. Now Lucas has trained him into a pretty good shooter
Rifle snobs everywhere are crying big tears at how comparable the PSA is to the KAC.
Poors everywhere are coping because they think money is an X-Y scale between ammo and rifle cost.
You know how they say shitty craftsmen blame their tools?
Well, professional craftsmen don’t get their tools from Harbor Freight either.
@@KarnivorActualwrong! We buy Harbor Freight shit to loan the new guys that don't have tools yet. You think I'm going to loan out my Hermann vise to some kid out of trade school? Nope, they get to use the Chinese vise I bought 25 years ago...that still works just fine. 😂
@@assclapper2231 i can't stand his voice
@@KarnivorActualsomeone’s angry that they spent too much money on basically the same product.
Any video you put out, i will watch. I support ya'll no matter what direction you go
What if it becomes the TREX gay p0rn channel?
How in the hell is any ar-15 worth $9000 ?
Definitely one of my favorite videos. Wealth of knowledge in this video. I’ll be sharing this over and over to buddies. Who they need higher tier to perform better 🦖👏
Lukas be like "it's not the plane it's the pilot"
I’m at Brandon when he was up at Lejeune working at a local gun shop that I went to frequently. He is probably one of the smartest and kindest guys I’ve probably ever met. Pretty cool to see him on these videos.
He’s been an awesome addition to the team
Letsgoooo🔥🔥 could you maybe make a video on how people could train with a rifle if they don’t have access to a flat range like this?
Move out to the country and make your own range
Mantis or dry fire at electric outlets. I do it and I still go to my own range at my ranch. It adds up.
They have such a video(s) already on their channel, just look back.
If your range won't allow movement while shooting, take a look at the AST or other shooting competitions, ranges often allow shoot and move to be done in the context of a supervised competition....even at at a range that won't allow it for the general members.
PS Don't allow competition techniques to interfere with Self Defense principals .
Thanks Lucas! Shirt form is great!
This is the longest _It's the Indian, not the arrow_ analogy I've ever watched! And I'm all for it 😂👌
Would've liked to see you shoot both guns for consistency's sake. Good video! Thanks for the content.
The physical therapy session at the end was the best part 😆
It is awesome to see a chanel (even tho you are a manufacturing compagnie(i own several holsters and love them)) listen so quickly to the comunity! Especialy when you dont get much money out of these videos beside publicity. I don't usualy take time to like your content but rest assure i love everything you do (so far) and i'll like more of your content in the future
No you do not need fancy rifles. If MORE folks learned to USE a plain gun instead of buying lotsa gimmicks, there'd be many MORE good, qualified shooters. "Beware the man that owns only one gun, for he surely knows how to use it".
That's a cool saying, but at least in my personal experience the people I know who own only one gun let it rust out in the back of their closet and only like to keep the gun "just in case". Totally agree you dont need a fancy rifle and diminishing returns is a real thing.
There’s a difference between “fancy” and “gimmicks.”
I have a mid tier AR that is not fancy. It's got some bells and whistles my AK doesn't (Chinese Norinco type 56) I also have a type 84. Those rifles I feel like I can bet my life on with their Superior build quality. And before you say it, Chinese made guns are not crap. Norinco is who also produces arms for military and police and contractors all over the world.
If I was going into battle I'd leave my AR at home. I'm bringing the AK with me
@@col.cottonhill6655 Congratulations on addressing a topic that no one is discussing here. I can almost see you trying to punch the air.
great video, allows a lot of folks to feel better about their budget rifles.
It's not the rifle it's the operator. 6000vs 400 and you still get the same results🤔 .
Awesome to see your viewer's voices heard ! Well done
Reminds me of the time a guy came to the range with his $300 Steven bolt action and iron sights. Dude spent the next hr outperforming the two guys with their $8000 bolt guns and S&B optics. I just plinked with my vz58 and enjoyed the show.
Good kit is only appreciated by people who have their fundamentals figured out.
Amen
Yes cause this is so true, cmon man iron sights compared to optics. Just stop
@@taylorcheramie6753 the point is to make yourself a better shooter. That way you will be able to use whatever it is you have whether it's iron sights or a fancy expensive optic. master the basics first. Besides optics aren't always reliable and you may be forced to depend on your backup irons.
@col.cottonhill6655 I obviously understand that. How much do you shoot that you have optics going out ? Because I shoot alot and never had a fixed power optic fail. It's not impossible but it's nearly impossible, btw irons can and will fail as well. Im calling this guy out on his bullshit, cause we already kmow thats an untrue story an rso would tell you.
@@taylorcheramie6753 it is on a 300 m range. Why those two boys brought out their fancy ass rifles to such a short range? No clue. But even with their optics they were not hitting as good as buddy with his Stevens.
More like this! Living in WA State can only live vicariously through you and your channel.
Real talk. Enjoyed the vid. I’ve got DD, BCM, LaRue, KAC, PWS, Galeil, Meridian and Arsenal. You were right on with you assessment. The colts that I trained with in the military are way punchier and heavier but they helped me to shoot better.
Love the new video and I love the comparison of budget Vs very expensive. Very helpful to the rest of us! Keep up the good work!
17:48 … frozen shoulder! It will fix itself over time (more or less). Don’t force it. And it can happen again. Take care of your shoulders. Don’t overdo.
Been a couple years mine still isn't getting better I've had it manipulated under anesthesia it's not right even with physical therapy still didn't help I'm going back again to have them take another look frozen shoulder fuckin sucks bad
@@legionp229saoconvertedme4 ... sorry to hear! I've had it twice ... the shoulder needs to fix itself. Physical therapy may help some, but ... and surgery does nothing, just destroys. It's like a "stiff cramp" that just need to loosen up and fix itself over time. My last one took a year to become fairly moveable, and another year to become 95% unnoticeable. Be patient (it sucks I know also with unintended pain). Limit your arm and shoulder movement, limit pressures on it (also while sleeping and in what position), be mindful of every activity you make, and learn to use the other arm for the time being.
And ... be patient. Let it heal internally. Be patient.
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I've got a '98 Bushmaster 556, I payed $1000 dollars for it, I'm sticking with it, the biggest thing is a chrome lined barrel, mine is totally mil-spec, love it!!!!!
$4k for an upper 😅 jeebus!
I think he meant as it sits with the current setup. The upper is about 1800-2k. 1500 ir laser, 1500 suppressor, 600 optic. Complete Lmt lower sits at about 850.
Incredible video, my guy.
You're both phenomenal shooters.
I'm drooling over that KAC rifle man.
So sweet.
BCM complete upper + Aero Lower is the sweet spot for price/performance.
Makes me pretty damn happy seeing so many Trex arms video recently
Y'all make the range seem like a job
It has become a job over the years, yes. haha
Yes these are the videos we want. Long form! I like short form too, but not as much as long form.
While this is an extreme example, I don't think it's unreasonable to claim that one could match, and I don't mean "JuSt As gOoD aS" but actually match the performance of the ~$8k setup for significantly less with well chosen parts and kit. Simple things like a PSA lower, a BCM upper and then splurging on the best BCG and barrel/nut combo can save a ton of money while providing astounding toughness. Splurge on the wear items, and get cheap functional bits for the non-wear items as it were.
Great content, Lucas. PSA 16" was my first (thanks Covid check). $1100 after furniture and 200 rd can. Now I build my own from scratch with the exact parts I want. Still haven't broken $1500 total for some of the most reliable guns I've ever shot. Note: No suppressor or fancy NV shtuff.
Next time get two people with minimal or no training and test each rifle
It goes to show that skill and proficiency can be honed with a variety of firearms, and it's not always necessary to break the bank for training purposes.
You say you dont know how many rounds it will take for it to fail.. Why dont you guys find out :)
Just getting into AR's and training. The car reference hit home for me! (I was a performance driving instructor for 6 years) If you can the slow cars fast, faster cars are a walk in the park.
Get a PSA, gut it with top tier BCG, CH, you're really GTG. Maybe a higher end barrel down the road
At that point just get a BCM lol…..?
I'll just get a gun I like the most. That way I train better knowing I got the gun I like and not some gun someone told me to buy.
@@UrNotThatGuyPalupgrading the BCG/CH is at best an additional $200. So, a $500 rifle, now $700 with the heart of the rifles BCG being rock solid, is still a fraction of the cost of a BCM that's $1600-2k
@@Tigerprowltactical exactly. training rifle general purpose rifle should be the same
PSA makes a great gun. Just a reminder to everybody, the components that make a “high end” rifle are the BCG and barrel; everything else is essentially just a housing. Get the PSA, shoot the shit out of it, and at 10k rounds (it will last 10k rounds lol), upgrade to a high end BCG like a BCM ($180) and an FN cold hammer forged barrel ($350). Or obviously just get a high end rifle. Personally I’ve just got several BCG’s and Barrels stocked up
Rather be the guy with a $700-1k gun and $6000 training/trigger time vs. the guy with a $7000 safe queen with no training
But most people are neither lol. I don't see anyone with sub $1k builds at matches but of course there are cases where cheaper builds are shot better than people with more expensive builds. Throwing an LA5B and an unobtainium can on KAC is the epitome of spending money on things that won't help you on a saytime flat range shooting paper targets.
Brandon is great! It’s nice to see new faces and friendly competition. Also a great tool to learn efficient ways to train with a partner.
you cant buy skill, dont be a gear queer. if you suck, you suck. imho, build your rifle. that way, you get what you want starting out with. separate lower and upper or build from scratch. dont skimp on the barrel, bcg and optic in your budget. for some, it works better than buying a rifle and then changing things that you already bought but nothing wrong with starting a parts bin.
thanks lucas.
New found arm muscles unlocked at the end. If it aint rainin' we aint trainin'! Good shit as always fellas!
Loving the extra content. Thank you
My main rifle is an 80% lower that I had parkerized. Into that I put quality parts and a binary trigger. The rest of the lower is all high end parts. My upper is a PSA with a 14.7 inch barrel with the flash suppressor pinned in place. I took it completely apart. Lapped the upper receiver then put everything back together with proper torque and Loctite on everything. I put in a high end BCG and charging handle. For an optic I use a Primary Arms LPVO 1-8 power. This rifle has been to multiple 500-1000 round classes, with a few starting off with a 90 round, fast as you can pull the trigger, reliability test. I am not the best shooter by no means but even now I can easily hit a 6 inch plate at 100 yards every single time standing and a full size plate at 300 yards from the prone. People are frequently shocked to know it is an 80% lower I milled out myself.
Although I have purchased many expensive rifles, I still own my first budget rifle and will NEVER part with it. I call it Old Faithful. It's an Anderson Mfg. AR15 in 5.56 and I bought it used for $300. To this day it's the only rifle I have never had a misfire, failure to feed/extract or any issues with. It just fires every time I pull the trigger. 16" barrel and it doesn't have the best accuracy, but I can put 100% on a paper plate at 100 feet. Good enough for self defense work all day long. But never underestimate a cheap firearm.
I’m really loving this format. Keep going!
awesome video, and look at the stamina difference at the end too, one guy sweating through his shirt and red faced, other just chilling
8k for a rifle? damn I didn’t know ar builds honestly could get that high. Maybe 4k in parts. Sheesh that’s insane to me… most I would spend on a build personally would be 3k-4kish. That’s impressive though.