9mm vs 45 ACP, WE END THE DEBATE. The Human Torso Test.
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- 9mm vs 45 ACP, the age old debate and the one that we end today. In today's video we utilize a human torso analog for our test.
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00:00 We are the paragon of 9mm vs 45 ACP science
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2:18 Begining of TEST :))))
2:23 What ammunition are we using 9mm vs 45 ACP
4:45 Charlie enters the chat
5:53 First test 9mm vs 45 ACP FMJ vs Human Torso
7:46 Second test 9mm vs 45 ACP Hollow Points (Proven Performers)
11:15 Third test Norma Monolithic hollowpoints 9mm vs 45 ACP
14:09 Fourth test Buffalo Bore Extremely high pressure Ammunition 9mm vs 45 ACP
16:35 Fifth test Buffalo Bore Refire and chest and abdomen
20:27 Long range 9mm vs 45 ACP
21:04 Final thoughts on 9mm vs 45 ACP
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I'd love to see you do a 460 rowland test. They make conversion barrels for 1911 and glock 21. It's meant for self defense against big game. It shoots 460rowland, 45acp, 45+p, and 45 super.
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Ehh.. Do a review (or link to a gun guy who have) about the game and I'll seriously consider it. If it is a simulation that can teach me stuff that is useful when I apply for a hunting license, it's exactly what I've been looking for.
Science and violence!! Lab coat and pit vipers, it's go time mofos!! This is perfect!! Gun show is next week and I was debating on a caliber to buy lol.
Are y'all from California? Why do you say "Like" 10 times every sentence as if your a little valley girl?
9mm is a faster, less expensive round. You can carry more of it. You can train easier with it. You can buy it in bulk. The variety is crazy. 9mm is just the best round out there. That is why I carry a .45.
9mm is also the first to be impossible to find during panic buys.
Well that’s pretty dumb of you
@@mikestackz854 thank you!
I was told all that but laughed when I payed 10 bucks more for the same brand 9mm target loads than my 45auto lol starting to reload to save even more.
@@zacharybaldrige3047 where I’m at 9mm is half the price
The intern legally has to live at that range because it’s the only place in town sufficiently far away from elementary schools.
And sheep (there may have been an incident)
And highly populated areas
There was definitely an incident involving sheep and Velcro gloves.
Dude, these spam accounts are getting out of control ^^^
Holy shit
Although I know reporting the spam BS does nothing, I still do it out of principle
Also, if you're considering a round to carry for a CCW. In this particular situation, the +P .45 went thru the gel dummy and kept going another 50-100 feet, and rang that plate with some authority. The 9mm +P+ stopped inside of the gel dummy. If you're out in public, that extra 100ish feet could mean someone else gets hurt.
Both of them went through
Don’t run +p then
If the nine takes more shots thought then it runs a greater risk of miss-aiming during rapid fire vs a assured stopping power and slower shooting
@samworlock1987 that's what I'm talking about. You shouldn't be rapid-firing at anything anyway unless it is within a few yards. Any longer distances require you to take slower more precision shots so you don't miss. So why is there all this talk about more recoil with a 45 and easier follow-up shots with a 9 mm? I can double tap somebody with a 45 within a couple of yards, putting the rounds an inch apart. Put any greater distances I do not want to be rapid firing a 45 or a 9 mm. I don't want to miss!!!
There are 9mm rounds thar out preform the .45
"I think the .45 is gonna win"
"The Japanese don't like it"
@5:29 😂😂
I miss my uncle, a former Vietnam Ranger/Green Beret. When I asked him about calibers and whether the 9mm or .45 was better, his response was: "I've never met anyone that would let me shoot them in the chest with a .22." In other words, "doesn't matter."
Sounds like your uncle was a wise guy in the very best sense of the term
Ex deputy sheriff here. Shot placement is key, Especially now that the bad guys are wearing body armor. Center of mass is good, head is better.
That's the proper attitude. Hell, you could kill someone with a blank.
That female politician that was shot in the head with a 9mm survived and has returned to nearly 100% health. Just a small entry wound scar. Somehow I don't think the results would have been the same with a hot 45 round. You guys need to test a shot to the forehead.
@@terryrutherford2114 dumb comment I know cops don’t aim for head
Mike is a time traveler and he’s laughing our faces about it. Things like “arguing about it for centuries.” Come clean Garand Thumb.
For all time
When are you Naruto running through Area 51, bro? 🤔
Love your channel, bro - no homo
88 m.p.h. marty!
But is he from the past or future ? 🤔
Have Charlie on the channel
I've always wanted to see 9mm vs .45ACP on levels of body armor.
They're both worthless in that scenario
there are only a few rounds on planet earth that could go through body armor, and neither you or I are qualified enough to purchase them.
U can buy steel core bullets for any rifle caliber and reload them.
@@billyshuig6087Could you elaborate? I've searched far and wide for AP rounds. They are legal where I live, but frankly I can never find them ANYWHERE. Even the 3006 m2AP is damn near impossible to find online for less than 10$ per round.
@@skate5652who told you that lol
I always assumed it was more capacity that differed between 9mm and .45 personally. I kept hearing how closely the rounds performed and figured it was the ability to carry more rounds that really separated the two calibers.
The trade off is more energy transfer for less capacity.
That's why I carry 9mm and not 45 tbh
@@stratigangames508I feel like the truth is more in the middle than we had thought. Seems like people overstate and understate the ammo capacity and power between the 9 and .45. I'd prefer having more powerful bullets and less than faster lighter bullets with more. G21 is 13 rounds .45 acp, vs 17 of 9mm out of a g17. So capacity is a moot argument in that respect. But most 9s will have nearly 2x the amount most 1911s have, in which case I'd pick the 9. Assum I NG I have 13 rounds plus the ability to have 26 in the extended, I'm picking. 45 since the increase in energy r
Transfers almost 30 percent greater with .45 which is very significant when it comes to human targets
@@Cody2nd hell yeah brother, I'm getting myself an optic with glass on both sides so dirt doesn't block the projector on the sight. That, and I'll rock some 230 plus p. 2 standards and 1 kci extended 26 round mag for self defense. I'd say for all intents and purposes that's a great self defense loadout vs any 9.
Glock 21’s start at 13 rd mags for .45 I love it so much
Charlie chugging milk in the background and acting extremely awkward after referencing he had been banned from the public library is a truly epic character arc
Charlie was awszons
Not the only one who notices it
@@MakeAndFixItYourSelfProjects no one would care of you ate a 45...
As far as these tests go, I’d love to see a comparison of 5.56 out of a 20” compared to a 10.3” and how much they really differ.
Check out Paul Harrell’s channel.
If we are talking about M193 or M855 then the difference would be night and day. There are some videos showing some testing of this on YT. I too, though, would love to see garandthumb do similar testing with these dummies.
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I think 16" vs 10.3" is better. 16" is much more common than 20"
@@JustTheTip556 but 5.56 was designed for a 20 inch
It really pushes it over the velocity threshold to get it to fragment more reliably
Hence why as issued barrels get shorter
You hear more complaints about hits not stopping people
Summer: 9mm subcompact in my shorts pocket
Winter: Full size 45 ACP under jacket.
🤙🏻💯
Fr. that's a vibe
That's how I do it.
I spent 24 years on the police force, I retired at the rank of Chief of Police in 1993. I also spent a bit over a year in Vietnam back in 1970-71. In my time, I have seen shootings using every round from the little .22LR and even a .25 ACP. I have seen shots that killed in one round, I have seen guys that kept coming after a dozen rounds hit him. I have attended autopsy's on the dead who died of the shootings. From all that I learned, for my duty weapon, when I had a choice and could afford a semi-auto back when LE was a wheel gun job I carried a .45 ACP and I kept her fed with 230 grain FMJ. I guess a throwback to my time in service. I always felt well armed. I had several guns over that time, even did some time carrying a Smith M59 in 9mm but always felt a bit light when it came to that. I ended up with an Astra M100 in .45ACP as my carry gun. She boasts a 10 round magazine and one in the tube makes 11. I carried 2 extra magazines and still kept her stuffed full of FMJ. Here in the Dakota's in the winter folks dress warm, they wear layers of cloths and I have seen shootings where the penetration was stifled by the cloths. The 230 grain FMJ will penetrate. those clothing and punch a nice .45 hole through the bad guy. May not stop him on the first shot but you 9mm guys with 20 rounds can keep punching, I still have 9 more chances and all of them are bigger and badder. Just my opinion. BTW most of the dead guys I saw over the years who were shot by non-law enforcement died of little .22 caliber lead bullets. The .22LR is nothing to turn your nose up at. I still have my old 9 shot .22LR revolver and don't feel underarmed if I am carrying her either (2 speed loaders keep her stuffed if I need to reload, and I have had a lot of practice with them due to my time with the model 19s.)
Your argument is only valid with FMJ or lead. Modern hollow points have devastating performance but need high velocity to function. This is why 45 defensive loads are light for caliber and that totally negates the "big, slow and heavy" argument of boomers. What also negates it is energy transfer. A lot of energy is lost punching through a guy. Going through him is like spinning wheels at a frag race. It looks great but it's wasted power. When it is dumped into the target, that is force that his body must absurb. FMJ sucks. It isn't 1968. And this is nothing new. The Speer Gold Dots are great performers and have been put a LOOOOOONG time. Long enough for you guys to realize that science has improved and your logic simply doesn't work anymore.
Lol the old guys have killed more bad guys on foreign soil. That’s a lot of hear say for a lad who doesn’t have 33 bodies via a 1911
@@60duce2lol winner. +1
Check out the 9mm extreme defender solid monolithic from Underwood. The best of both worlds FMJ+Hollow point
It didn't sound like he was arguing but simply sharing his knowledge and reasoning for what he feels comfortable carrying. You are simply regurgitating what most everyone is saying these days. I can tell you (not arguing) that a 230 gr 45acp fmj round punched through you is going to stop most people. You would need a hollow point with as you pointed out "high velocity" in 9mm to hope to exceed that damage considering it is most likely half the size. I like both rounds and have multiples of each but if I had a choice between one it would be the 45. If it was an end of the world scenario and I had to be on the move it would be the 9mm between these two but in reality for me that situation I would go for high velocity 40 gr 22LR. @@PalmettoNDN
“The stone that David used to kill Goliath was actually a 45 ACP projectile.”
-Colion Noir.
Jesus Christ is King.
@@dabeln1 i am jesus
Yeah. And traveling at roughly the same velocity.
Colin who?
@@macfiona4545 Colion noir he used to be an nra spokesperson and now makes pro 2a videos independently
Having seen this video, I think it's safe to say that either caliber is more than sufficient for defense against an armless, legless man who struggles to sit up without assistance. Thanks, Science Man!
Ngl, you had me in the first half
OMG
Put his ass in a wheelchair without a seat belt on and I'll fight em with my ruger 22
Very funny when children don't even know what to look at to understand the point😂
Yeah, idt you understand the concept of this...Unless you were trying to be funny, either way, hard fail.
The struggle is real! It’s very natural to want the biggest, which may not necessarily be the best for YOU. I worked my way through college at a meat processing plant owned by my family. Most often, I worked the kill floor. So what did we use to dispatch? It certainly wasn’t a .45, .40, or the popular 9mm. The good old .22lr did the trick. From the 2000+ beef to the 100 lb hog, with very little exception 1 round did the trick. Do I carry a .22? Nope. But if I had to I’d be comfortable enough with the option. Practice, awareness, and placement.
I have been watching your vids forever, and they never cease to entertain. I’m going back through and watching these older ones. Thank you!
My favorite quote: "Terminal ballistics. Pistols put holes in people, rifles put holes through people, shotguns at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off your opponent and throw that shit on the floor, and you will have to get someone to come in an clean the shit up with a shovel"
- Clint Smith. Thunder Ranch.
This has always been my favorite Clint Smith quote.
…and this helped the 45 vs 9 debate how?
hahaha lol
@@squiffedallday by getting a shotgun instead XDDDDD jkjk :D
LOL cool comment😄👍
This debate took up 50% of the gun community’s time when I bought my first S.O.F. Magazine in 1978 at the ripe old age of 11.
Can’t believe it’s gonna outlive me.
It might not if a new round takes over
You sir, are a year younger than me and thus probably a chick magnet.
@@vicnighthorse 😂Spoken like a wise elder😉. I’ve been noticing that EACH year leaves with another positive trait or function that I used to take for granted
Ironically back then it was a no brainer - I would have taken 45 over the crappy 9 hollow point of that day. In 2022 however, the tech for 9mm has caught up significantly and closed the gap. With modern ammo I’d take 9mm just for the capacity
@@joehadenough1642 Not convinced. The US adopted the .45 after failings with the .38 long Colt. The 9 para round is a different beast and 13 rnds from a Hi-Power vs 7 from a 1911 is also something to consider..
Granted today there is little to no argument but back then you could make your point either way. Vive la difference.
Own both and enjoy both:) Would have no qualms in using either to protect myself or loved ones but thankfully I guess I cannot put that level of first hand knowledge to the table. God Bless America. God Bless our Canadian Truckers. FREEDOM!
I love this guys, you are great Sis that is why I was keeping this subscription to this channel because all content it really help and learn me so much in terms of tactical gear.❤️❤️👍👍
Charlie's pathological pathologist is brilliant. "I don't know if we can totally rule out a preexisting twerk injury."
That 80's retro intro is one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed in my life. As a child of the 80's, I applaud you.
CarniK Con called. He's proud of you, Mike. Real proud.
“People have been arguing 9mm VS .45 for centuries”
My favorite Shakespeare quote, “.45, because those gents don’t maketh a .46”
Bruhh
That's hilarious
Classic shakespear.
.50 exists
Sun tzu tells us that shot placement is more important than calibre. Honest....
I was a Supply Corporal for B Co., and HHC 3rd Ranger Battalion from 1991-1993. At the end of each quarter, I had to expend all of the surplus ammunition, so that our funding would remain the same. I fired thousands of 5.56 and 9mm rounds. I became very proficient with a 9mm Beretta. Unfortunately, due to some really messed up Battalion politics, my company and A Co., did not participate in the Battle of Mogadishu. My friends that did recounted that the 9mm. Beretta was too underpowered in combat, and the Battalion was considering going to the .45 after that, although I left the unit before that happened. As for me, I liked the Beretta. It seemed very reliable, easy to clean, and the recoil was almost nil. Great presentation as always Sire! 🙏
I assume that would be because you can’t use things like hollow point or similar rounds due to the Geneva Convention right? The special self defense rounds are where 9mm really stands up to 45. ACP is terms of damage done.
@@St3a1thsniper32 Good point, as I recall, only normal standard rounds were used, but my memory might be wrong as it’s thirty years later. The Somali fighters also used some kind of herbal stimulant that they chewed, the name of which I can’t remember either. 🫡
@@KursRageKhat. That's the stimulant. It's an herb that they chew. They get up in the morning and start chewing it. By afternoon, they are amped up and irritable. Bad combo for mean guys with guns.
@@KursRage The US military, officially, has never used hollow points, so it would've just been 9mm ball/FMJ. FMJ isn't great for stopping a threat, let alone the guys that were high as a kite. I believe I recall a SEAL or Delta guy telling a story about him lighting up a combatant with nearly an entire mag of 5.56 and he kept going for a while. Drugs will do crazy things to you in combat.
@@ggmanatee I was just the Supply Corporal for HHC 3/75th during the Battle of Mogadishu, and I was never deployed to Somalia. I heard all of their stories when they returned to Fort Benning.
Y’all convinced me , between 1911 and the m9, I have noticed the quality of mags and reloading and let’s not forget the round count, I was a 1911 45 guy until I bought the m9
The M9 is a sexy ass gun
It is and the girsan regard mc is so reliable, well made, beautiful and good priced
@@ryangalvin4701 Just get a Beretta instead of a clone. Don't settle.
@@Mason-zp8yb no need , girsan makes great guns
This .45 acp ammo is unrealistic, it should be able to summon a P-51 Mustang that can destroy a Tiger Tank
Nice reference
Captain Miller says that you're earning it. Now go hold that bridge in Rumel.
Damn, bots be getting everywhere
It's always a difficult choice for me when it comes to which handgun I should carry. It's either my Colt .45 or my other Colt .45.
Why not both?
Yeah dual wield those warlocks
Fr. Make a video duel wielding both
Especially if they’re able to fire the 45 schofield. If they can fire 45 acp too then they can handle the pressures of many more different rounds
-And 2 zig zags, baby thats all we need..
Either of these rounds is gonna get the job done in terms of ballistics. For me, the lower recoil, greater capacity, and lower training cost of the 9mm make it an easy decision for concealed carry. I suspect I will add a 45, most likely a 1911 or similar, to my collection at some point, but that will be just for fun. But, that’s just me.
Oh he did
I think the biggest takeaway here is what you are comfortable with. I love both and can shoot well with both but from a carry l perspective usually 9mm for me.
Absolutely crazy, I was looking for 9mm vs 45 ACP videos last night and couldn't find any real good ones, and here comes Garand Thumb to save the day....😁
Nostalgic
me too
You summoned a video from garand as well as all the spamming E-thots on the internet. Quite the skill
Colion noir has some hilarious videos on it
You masochist……
“Once the permanent suspension is up, I’m really hoping to go back” - Charlie The Medical Squire
I would like your comment, but it is happily sitting at .223 so I shall not disturb the balance.
Cool. Always fun and informative these vids. Thanks
This channel is new to me, I just subscribed based on ur intro. The 80's montage was freaking awesome,😂😂😂😂 thanks man
If there's one thing I've learned over the 13 years of being a medic, placement is more important than caliber.
Get both
Amen brother
well, it depend on the caliber too.
imagine two person, one get hit by a .22lr in the center of mass, the other get hit by a 9mm at the same place, the one who get hit by the
.22lr have better chance of surviving the shot simply because of the energy of the round, because of the velocity of the ammo, a .22lr will exit the body and a 9mm will not in most of case
But the same place hit with different calibers will often yeld different results.
@@joak9755 I don't have to imagine that. Seen it plenty of times.. I'm not disputing the obvious. You are correct. However my position stands. More emphasis is owed to accuracy, not caliber.
As Clint Smith likes to say, "The handgun is what you use to get to the long gun you should have had in the first place."
I read this in smoker gravel tone
i mean to be fair you cant really conceal carry and quickdraw a barrett m99 for self defense
That's why he made an AR that you can finger bang, but introduces more blockage causing material than normal...
Based
@@themilkman6969 can't or won't
Love this guy. Mr Fudd daddy here: I have plenty of both calibers. I've been a student of ballistics my whole life. My view on this debate is this: I'll take a 45 with HST's or 230 FMJ at beyond 30 yards. 9mm with hp capacity at 25 yds or less. Not everything is based on a close quarters blazing gun battle where the hi cap 9 clearly wins the day. What's missing in this age old argument is that there's a reason troops had to make a level choice between the M1 and the 45 acp. The 45 acp shines at distances beyond the "blaze" CQB scenarios. It is ballistically similar to the 1860 army in that it can be an effective weapon beyond 50 yards. At 50 yards, I can still place a fatter plug in my target with a 45 - expansion or no expansion. But I wouldn't count on a similar terminal effect from an HST +p from my Glocks, Brownings, CZ's, Caniks, etc. at the same distance.
Fantastic video. The only thing gel doesn't account for is the interial damage from 45 auto. It's just a heavier bullet and the right loads can really hit hard
Back in the 1990's, I was in the Army, and I was sitting with some other non-coms who were having this debate early on. The heart of the discussion was being led by those of us who were actually reading up on ballistics at the time due to the Army's transition from .45 calibre to 9mm. My 1st Sgt. at the time, who was a Vietnam vet about to retire, was asked his opinion on the whole thing. He sat down his drink, thought for a moment, and answered, "Bigger fucking bullets make bigger fucking holes." I always thought that that was an interesting perspective. 😂
That's been my perspective for a long time because barring any other bullet design, besides fmj, all you're left with is the caliber/size of the projectile and what propellant is used to get to a certain velocity, of course along with other components and case designs. It's really the only truth, bigger bullets make bigger holes 🤷
From a military perspective, gaining double the ammo capacity and a reduced recoil in a weapon that is about the same weight out ways the .07" ish size difference. 9mm kills fine just as 5.56 does. Saying you NEED a .45 is like saying you need a 30-06 over the 5.56.
Outside of the military, just use hollow points. If the exit wound looks like you hit them with a Desert Eagle, then it doesn't matter what the entry hole looked like.
Were there any other people that read it with a country accent
@@Greyhound706 the quote, yes
9mm might expand, but .45 ain't gonna shrink.
My one complaint with this test is that it completely ignores the FACT that whole milk is the apex of hydration. The fact that I had to even witness a man waterboarded with 1%? is appalling.
🤣🤣🤣It was an abomination!!
💯💯💯💯
Skim milk is objectively more hydrating
Water gang
Hear hear
Excellent video, informative and humorous as always
I have a friend who was a MASH medic in the Korean War. He told me he saw body's hit with 230 grain .45 ACP and that it blew big holes out of their backs.
Best comment yet. A man’s caliber
Ball ammo will definitely break bones and rip big holes in a guy
Vietnamese kids are a lot thinner than these targets
@@harrisonbuck2749 Did you finish high school?????
@themudshark1106 no i Don’t think he did
Never been shot by a 9mm, but I have been shot with a .45 through the hip and out the back of my thigh. When I got to the hospital the doctor told me that nothing was as bad as the .45, He told me that high velocity rounds usually punched through the body clean but the .45 tumbled around (like mine did) and just wiped everything out. I got an artificial hip and a femoral rod out of it but a brilliant surgeon saved my leg.
My car gun is a .357 (9 mm) pneumatic pistol (20 inches long). It shoots a 106 grain round head slug at 820 FPS. For a close combat situation it has plenty of power (150 FPE) and the lower velocity I see as a plus. However, you should never trust the velocities they post on those boxes of bullets. If you don't own a chronograph you really have no idea of the true velocity. My guess is the .45 is shooting around 900 FPS, and the 9 mm is closer to 1100-1200 FPS. PCP's are not firearms and can be carried loaded in your car. I may be upgrading to a .45, but that carbine is slightly longer, however it is designed to shoot a 200 grain slug at around the same velocity (820 FPS). The gun that killed Abraham Lincoln had a muzzle velocity of 500 FPS. Minie balls had a velocity of around 800-900 FPS. Low velocity high mass rounds can cause significant damage.
@Mike M. Ikr
@Mike M. I can honestly say I wish I had been shot with a .45 cal. Airgun instead of a 1911 .45. ijs
@Mike M. lmfao 🤣
You okay now buddy?
I know slow mo cams are expensive but having one on the back side to see the bullet exiting would be very cool as well
u can film a mirror on a 45 angle ')
Imagine accidentally shooting a slow mo cam 😭🤣
Great video. Thanks for sharing with us.
Great video. I recently switched from 45 to 9 based purely on ammo cost. Obviously, this video is fuel to the fire if you just want to argue. I walk away just feeling confident in both rounds.
Good choise
Charlie is such a kind host letting Garand Thumb on his show to do science
Charlie is hilarious! I think he should get his own channel called pump finger. Like when you pinch your finger pumping up your crossman.
@@williambilse lol
I died laughing when Charlie said "Japanese don't like it"!! In Hawaii, a lot of the 2A community are Japanese and frequently make jokes about how they would have more cousins if it weren't for the .45ACP LOL. That comment always comes up during the centuries old 9mm vs .45 debate out here!!
Is it a ww2 joke?
@@132oink yes, obviously.
@@132oink no its a holocaust joke
There's a 2A community in Hawaii? Seems like it's pretty bad there when it comes to 2A...
@@hahka-0168 This is Hawaii brah, laws are just suggestions. The 2A is alive and well out here.
30 year Peace Officer in Houston, honorably retired in 2021. Very seasoned Deputy. Best stoppers I’ve seen on the streets were the 380 and the 40. The 9 was a poor performer. I never saw the 357 and 10 used. The 12 gauge in # 4 buck was devastating. That is all.
I do speculate the 45 in federal hydro shock will work pretty well. I don’t carry the 1911 because 8 plus 1 seems like it’s not enough with multiple threats.
Funny that the .380 could be more effective than 9mm considering it's a lighter bullet of the exact same diameter going slower.
@@harrypeterson9287 I’ve seen 380 to be devastating with hollow points on street shootings during my police career. I think the slower speed actually allows for expansion on hollow points. Truly though the S&W M&P full size in 10mm is probably the best defense system out there right now. I’m not that huge a fan of either but just honestly speculating.
I’ve seen a lot of 1911s on the hips of peace officers in Texas. Not the majority, of course, but plenty to be noticeable. Including Harris County Sheriff deputies young and old. I’ve even spotted a few HPD guys grandfathered in around the Houston area over the years. I suspect it a cultural thing handed down from the Texas Rangers (many of whom I understand still select it given their choice)
@@classicgunstoday1972 Yes’r
The best comparison I have ever seen you dude rock thanks.
"Pistols put holes in people."
"Rifles put holes through people"
"A shotgun will rip chunks of flesh and throw it on the floor" -Clint Smith
I’m sorry, it was “ shotgun at the right range with the right load will physically remove a chunk of *shit* and throw that shit on the *floor*, but it’s gotta be the right load at the right range”
@@tristanwelch424 75 yards with a skeet load, didn’t do much, you’re right, double ought buck at 3 yards big ass hole.
My academy instructor turned me onto him the old thunder ranch, dude is crazy. Some of his videos you cant help but laugh hes just so savage
@@tristanwelch424 excuse me for getting the gist of it from memory. 👍🏻forgiveness, please!
Whenever I hear that about the shotgun I just imagine some dude speedwalk up to a guy, shove his hand into his abdomen, and tear out his liver with extra bone and skin and just slap it onto the floor lol
I've heard rumors that while 9mm kills the body, 45 ACP kills the soul.
I bet that makes sure that they don’t come back as a lich
@@sethfrench8528 acktually that's not how liches work. Liches bind their soul within a phylactery before their body dies making them immortal.
Shooting a liches body with 45 does not destroy their soul because it is no longer within their body.
You must find and destroy their phylactery.
@@admiralsnackbar2811 🤓
@@admiralsnackbar2811 my dude really just said umm akshually☝️🤓
@@blakevanness glad you clarified - i was gonna ax a more pacific querstion
I had a friend that spent some time in Prison, and he said that lots of guys have scars from being shot by 9mm's, not very many have scars from 45's. I don't know if that is because the 45's killed the bad guys, or there were just more folks shooting 9mms...
Column A, Column B.
Survivorship bias
less shooters using 45, maybe? 9mm most common and criminals aren't likely to use it. Also, most law enforcement carry 9mm as well, which are the most likely people to have put those people in prison
9mm is a lot more common in law enforcement
That is logic!!!
Love it I've been watching you guys for years
"I think the .45 is gonna win."
"I mean, history has proven that it's pretty good, Charlie. Thank you."
"The Japanese dont like it."
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As a former medical student I can confirm that Charlie's coat is referred to as the 'short coat of shame'.
I was an attending at a hospital that had the medical students wear long coats...it was weird.
At least you wear coats. The nursery sneers at us if we wear coats on duty in Sweden.
Great video. You guys always make them fun.!!
The controversy continues…..
What you should do is a comparison between FMJ and Hollow point with different clothing weights to simulate winter clothing. Which would be better? FMJ for penetration or hollow point? Will the hollow point be slowed down by heavy denim or leather to where it doesn't achieve adequate penetration?
Charlie Deserves a permanent position in the laboratory - he adds a bit of eloquence and class that has just been missing..... just ask japan.
The fucking casual milk drinking had me rolling
5:33 “the Japanese don’t like it” 😂😂😂😂
@@richardcuriel315 caught that too, got a hearty chuckle from me
“Charlie: I think the .45 will win. The Japanese don't like it.”
I died at this point lmao
So did the Japanese.
@@thunderring8056 😂😭😂😂
Im glad I wasnt the only one who caught that 😂
I am 77 . I have been shooting since I was 5. As I get older, the weight of the firearm and recoil of the round are playing a very important part. So I now carry either a Ruger .380 or a S&W model 640 with modern hollow point rounds.
You stacked the ammo in favor of the nine. I own both 9 and 45, carry 9 most because of capacity .
Noticed this as well
Facts. Definitely wasn’t an even matchup on ammo choices.
As the great warrior poet TheRussianBadger once said: "9mm kills the body but 45 ACP kills the soul"
“Gotta make sure they don’t come back as a lich.”
Made me chuckle. Thanks.
Duh, you don’t want them coming back as a lich
Miss when he used the .357 in BF3 and BF4. Good times.
OUI
My biggest take- away from this video is the thought of how creepy/ interesting the world would be if humans were as translucent as the test dummies.
They are translucent. They are full of shit. Some have more of it than others.
Great, now thats how i am going to see people from now on....lol
Imagine watching someone's heart beating after a marathon
@@sebastianriz4703 imagine a fat guy's heart after mowing down a cake
Hahaha. Awesome.
Great video, enjoyed watching.
At 17:27 the 45 went through and ricochet off the tie down & went up in the air . 2nd 45 shot hit the steal target . Great video guys .. Was not able to use your code for the game but I will play it seems alright .
Mike is a kind hearted human being for being an Equal Opportunity Employer to that nice slow kid.
You got it all wrong.
Charlie is clearly the brains of this operation.
"My assistant, Beaker, er, Charlie".
I saw an article recently that interviewed several ammo makers. I think it was Hornady, Norma and several others. They all said the same thing. As pistol caliber rounds move less than roughly 2000 FPS, the caliber doesn't really matter. The bullet design means far more. When a bullet moves above the 2000 FPS speed, it starts causing tears in the tissue and capillaries, up to 4 inches away from the permanent wound cavity. It is why .223 will cause far more damage than a .45. Below the speed barrier, you do not have that. So the diameter difference between .45 and 9mm is almost neglible as is the weight and ft/lbs of energy. Their recommendation based on their tests was find a caliber you can shoot well and find a bullet that reliably delivers the result you desire.
So basically, overpressure tokarev time
.45 guys are gonna have a hard time with that
The fbi published an in depth study confirming this 2012ish. They included observations from trauma surgeons and medical examiners. This study informed their move from .40 p229 to Glock 17m. It also started the nation wide trend of departments dumping 40 for 9mm. The study also concluded that everyone from expert to novice shooters performed better with 9mm than 40 or 45 and that the higher capacity is thought to be an advantage in actual gunfights.
@@NM-235 I actually am more accurate and comfortable shooting .45 acp than I am with 9mm.
22tcm should be the new 9mm
Great video! Very informative and entertaining. Nothing but confirming what I already suspected. Thank you for donating your time and $$ to the diy on the fly youtube educational learning program.
Love the fair analytics guys , great channel
Imagine using anything less than a pistol chambered in .50AE
Nah it's all about that 700 nitro express
That would be golden 😂
"Well this is the .44 Automag, and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints."
*squints menacingly*
Imagine that pistol not jamming after two rounds
Imagine using less than a 8.4cm "Carl Gustav" for concealed carry.
If you ever bumped your scope , and had to go out in the middle of the night, to double check zero. Hit that subscribe button.
I was already subscribed but I hit the like instead. We all been there before 😂
BOTS SUX ^^^^
I would like to think a good mount shouldn’t lose zero
The only point that you didn't mention which I believe to be very relevant is the time to get back on the target. In my training, I was taught that most gun fights only last a few seconds in which multiple rounds are fired. I trained with my full sized 45 as well as my cc Glock-36. A concealable 45 has a lot of recoil. After hundreds of rounds, my consistency with the cc 45 wasn't anywhere near as accurate for double taps. There may be a better choice for a cc 45 but training with a Glock-36 isn't fun. I tried lighter ammo but the whole point of training is to become proficient with a specific set of variables so light ammo doesn't really make much sense. I am very confident that I can put more holes in the center mass with a conceal carry 9mm than I can with a conceal carry 45mm. More holes faster wins. Your video did a great job of convincing me that I made the right choice. Thanks.
The two things I’ve bought, shot, and gotten rid of are the 9mm and the 223(5.56). I just like bigger holes to start with!
Charlie has perfect timing in response to your "Straight Man" questions. Excellent comic performance by the whole team in pursuit of SCIENCE!
Im new, please tell me hes pretending to be stupid
@@philipschmid9352 yes.
Charlie is cracking me up
@@scottcantdance804 "Once the permanent suspension is up, I hope to get back to the library!" ...... Charlie the Squire.
Dude Charlie had me cracking up with his off hand comments 😂
To be honest, after seeing an awful lot of real gunshot wounds from a wide variety of bullets I do not place a lot of importance on the size of the pistol bullet. I have seen men killed dead by a single .380, and I have seen men with a gaping chest wound from a shotgun slug walk away. Ultimately lower velocity projectiles just make holes. If that hole perforates something important the target suffers the consequences, if it does not perforate something important they can pretty much walk away. Never ceases to amaze me how people can absorb round after round and walk themselves into the ER. Hollowpoints do quite a bit more damage than FMJ, because the expanded bullet is sharp and slices through flesh in a wider swath, cutting blood vessels and anything else soft in its way. My experience with FMJ wounds is that they seem to push things like veins and nerves out of the way and slip through the tissue between them without doing as much damage as you would expect. I have a surgery picture of the inside of my arm from my own gunshot wound where you can clearly see the bullet pushed a major nerve out of the way. the intact nerve intersects the bullet hole, impossible unless the nerve was literally pushed aside, which saved my hand from paralysis. Thank God the bad guy shot FMJ.
The difference between all the pistol wounds I have seen and the few rifle wounds is night and day. There is a ton of trauma surrounding rifle wounds, which can appear like a large tear in the flesh, or a large bulge under the skin.
After seeing everything I have seen I choose a good 9mm round every day. Lower recoil, higher capacity, and I trust it to do exactly what I have seen from every pistol bullet I have ever seen impact the human body.
Carrying great loads are always a good idea, but even with fmj's if your a great shot and/or close distance they can be just as deadly. It's a roll of the dice.... But for optimal performance carry defensive loads... Big hot loads... That's what my GF likes!
@@ThePatriotParadox 9 mil sucks bro thanks for the lesson about the topic with all due respect I’ve been shot by a 40 caliber around my lower legs I still feel it everyday it aches so bad happened a year ago is this normal it was a target round not hollow
@@nfbsnandbsnnwjs662 That sucks bro, one of my rules of thumb is if there is no such thing as a flesh wound. When something pokes a hole in your body it fucking hurts and it does some kind of long term damage. I said my nerve was pushed out of the way and not severed, which saved me from paralysis, but that shock still did damage to the nerve. My hand is weaker, I have less sensation and fine motor control and I get painful aches. Mine was a 9mm fmj, no bullet hole leaves one unscathed.
@@nfbsnandbsnnwjs662 9mm doesn't suck, just 40 cal(shorty 10mm) has more pressure and will feel it more in a not vital area, but if you get shot, even with a . 22lr it hurts I know... Just some more than others. 9mm +p HP would hurt like hell! If you get hit I'm a vital area, even a .22lr to the head, heart, or in your lungs will probably kill you. When I shoot a +P 9mm the recoil is about like a. 40 caliber. And a .22lr high velocity out of a 18 1/2” barrel is close to a 223 out of a 7.5” inch barrel.... Not too close but comparable. When it comes to pistol calibers, pressure and velocity is key, along with the slug type... But yeah I bet a 40 fmj hurts 🤕 worse than a 9mm fmj....but they both going to hurt, blow through ya, and make holes which if the hit veins and/or arteries, will make u spill some fluid
... didn't read the entire thing in fairness to me, but I agree based on what I read in the first few lines, I know a guy as we speak who was shot 13 times with an assault rifle, granted a few of the wounds were re-entry wounds, yet, I saw an episode of first 48 where the victim was shit with one single round of a .25 cal, and died from it...
For me it depends. The recoil is greater with 45 but it’s a different type of recoil… seems more “spread out” or less instantaneous. In my tuned 1911’s I like a .45 over any striker fired 9mm( much better trigger, square bottom firing pin stop, more muzzle weight). In striker fired pistols I choose 9mm. As far as capacity I don’t feel uncomfortable with anything over 6 rounds so for me it’s nice to have 15 plus rounds but isn’t a deal breaker.
10mm… 15 rounds and better velocity than both.
As LEO who has seen my share of GSW it comes down to a few things. FMJ vs hollow points, always go with hollow points. The reason being is accounting for your shot if the round exits the body. Of course hollow points are far less likely to exit the body in the torso. FMJ can exit go through a standard wall and enter a bystander.
You should consider second shot placement. Because two is better than one. What I really mean is the time it takes one to recover from the first shot then reacquire the target and fire the next round on target.
Finally which weapon one is the most comfortable to carry and which one do you perform better with.
I like heavy pistols but that’s me.
"It'll blow the lung right out of a body." - Some Former Vice President
That same guy told everyone to buy a shotgun and fire two shots in the air to scare off the bad guys.....
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@@LSwick-ss6nm 😆
@@LSwick-ss6nm it also helps get rid of annoying neighbors 🤣
@@kyle3465 🤣👍👍
This is why I love my Springfield 1911. It doubles as a blunt weapon once I unload every round. Nothing like a 9 lb mag well coming down onto someone grape
With all due respect, good luck getting close enough to pistol-whip your opponent in a gunfight.
@@sninctbur3726 could always have a last stand. I'd rather have a 1911 then some plastic junk to swing at someone's head.
@@os7349 this is the most fudd shit I’ve seen today
@@os7349 I'd rather not be the dumb ass trying to pistol whip someone because I ran out of ammo
Loved Charle and the information obtained. Thanks.
Good job guys!!! I wish you could have used Hornady Critical Duty 9mm and .45 ACP. I’m curious to know what the difference would be.
I've tested those. In 9mm it's pretty good. In 45 I'd pick a different round.
I felt the science from such a long distance away that I thought someone had finally cracked the secret of cold fusion and/or hot pockets. But this is nearly as good.
Psst…air fry those hot pockets. Pass on the wisdom,
I love the complete confusion on Garand's face when Charlie says something random
The EDC pistols in 9mm are smaller and easier to conceal with low print and have good penetration. The fps velocity is as fast or faster than a .45. Good enough for me.
9mm the most popular, easiest to find, and with PCC becoming popular you can have 1 type ammo for pistol and rifle. Most PCC also take pistol mags too. A 9mm coming out of a 16 inch barrel has the same force as a .357 magnum.
@@bradleysmith9431 A 6-8 inch barrel will get well into 357 power. It doesn't take much barrel will pistol powder.
As the old saying goes, " the 22 in your pockets beats the 45 you left at home".
The answer is to shoot what you're comfortable with. The best circumstance is you hit the target with any caliber.
Yup, basically the most impactful you can reliably hit with.
If it was just about size, we'd all be running around with deagles in 50 AE
@@HappyBeezerStudios or break barrel 8" action/nitro express LMAO like god damn space pirates.
Quite so. 12-guage magnum buckshot will outshoot ANY pistol: Clint Eastwood notwithanding.
Just remember guys...
Japan didn't surrender until we flew over Hiroshima and Nagasaki and fired two rounds of .45 into the ground.
Two world wars
@Zeki Alpon BE GONE!!!!
Nah, it was the BAR that ended 2 world wars.
30-06 For The Win.
@@Real11BangBang mass report them for commercial spam.
@@lonebikeroftheapocalypse9527 done
"The Japanese Don't like it"
I decided to carry a 20mm single shot. Something somewhere is getting hit.
Nice job guys, funny and informative! Seems that the ammo makes more of a difference than the caliber. Side question, what is on his shirt under the lab coat, hysterical…🤣
So we finally know why both rounds are effective; the 9x19 because it does a number of soft tissue at high velocities, and the 45acp because it specifically hunts down and breaks every bone in your body that it can find.
Jokes aside, some dramatic results. I wouldn't want to get hit with any of these.
Tbh I was pretty blown away by the performance of the 9mm. Been a .45 guy my whole life and after watching this I’ll stay with .45
Would you say that your lungs were blown out of your body?
@@Gam1ngGor1lla
nope, but my coom was blown out of my cock though.
It is incredibly important to carry 45 if you often miss the 5 ring by 1/32 of an inch. Critical.
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Is it just because it's bigger? I've only ever had nine millimeters and just recently bought my first 45. Picking it up tomorrow. I can't wait to shoot it!
Great video and even better advice
Just bought my first 1911 in .45 ACP.... can't wait !
I absolutely love the secondary commentary from your assistant, really makes the video a lot better and I absolutely laughed my ass off so thank you sir
"Dudes who support gun control have wives that have boyfriends"
Charlie's sense of humor is golden. He plays the "kinda weird guy" so well. Mans had a gallon of milk as his drink 😂😂
Did you notice the music cuts out a few times right as he is about to talk?
Bruh the fricken Cheeto fingers did one notice 😂😂😂
"Did I just cream my adult diaper bro??"
I think the 45 is gonna win........... the Japanese don't like it.
mans an absolute cringeord hope he never has kids
185 GR is what I use, gold dots & ranger T are good I recently saw a gel test on tools & targets that convinced me to acquire the Sierra outdoor master
Why do you look like Tom cruise and Zach Efron had a baby together?! 😂😂 great video
Well, I trained with the .45 pistol in the military. I am comfortable with it and It does the job I asked of it. Nothing against the 9mm, it's about personal preference and how accurate you can be with it. I think back to something my father told me a long time ago when we got on the subject of different calibers for different jobs. He was a career Marine and a man of few words. He looked me dead in the eye and said to me matter-of-factly, "no North Korean got back up after he shot them" when they were being overrun. That's good enough for me.
A very good friend of mine had the same experience with vietcong. Having said that, he carried a S&W 357 for most of his tour. He picked it up from a gun runner after winning a gunfight that he inadvertently drove into. He earned a bronze star with it, but his men used the 45 very effectively.
@@nospam3409 .357, that's a good one too. I had a buddy of mine that was a crew chief 1965-66. We were on the subject of guns, he showed me an old picture. He had a shoulder holster with a .357 and a .45 on his hip. He said if his Slick was going down, he wasn't going to go down empty-handed in "Indian country."
@@lpd1snipe my uncle was a huey door gunner and my father was a combat engineer. My uncle carried 2 .45's and my father bought his own .45. Also the first M16's that they put into action sucked he said so he asked to keep his M14 and they let him. Even after they ironed out the worst problems with the M16 my father said he kept his M14
@@jamessampson964 I trained with the M14 it's a fine rifle.
Plenty of cops have had the same thing happen using a 9mm.
" The 9mm will blow a lung out of the body." World's smartest man. Lol.
Nah, that’s the world’s smartest man’s father. The world’s smartest man loves guns. And leaves them in dumpsters by schools so he can snort some Parmesan
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Let’s Go Brandon.
Somebody should’ve asked him “and what will a .45 do sir?”
@@BabyGators Remember, by his own words. More than anyone else alive.
@@BabyGators And lies on his Federal gun forms with no repercussions.
I think I’ll try that too.
What’s the worst that can happen since we’re all equal under the Law?
This is why, for my family, we started with the infamous Official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock THAT TELLS TIME but after being robbed, bound and gagged decided to evolve to the Remington 12-Gauge Pump... Blowing holes into perp's is fun.
I’ve shot someone with a 45 acp 230g ball in the thigh, a 9mm hollow point in the right front shoulder, and a 5.56 in the right hipbone. All worked, but the 45 was the instant stop in my three cases. It’s just a shock transferring round.