Why Scream 4 is an underrated horror masterpiece...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Upon more recent re-watches of Scream 4, it has fluctuated in my rankings. Especially more so since the release of Scream (2022) and Scream VI. Before I re-watched the movie, it's placement was somewhere down the list in my rankings. Today I decided to re-assess the movie and ultimately decided this movie is completely misunderstood by fans of the franchise.
0:00 Introduction
1:55 WHY this movie is disliked
03:48 Why it deserves MORE credit
06:47 Jill Roberts...was she really that great?
09:15 Kirby Reed is...
09:55 The Death Scenes
10:59 Wes Craven took a RISK
12:01 Conclusion
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I have never agreed with BTM more than what he said about Jill as a killer. She MADE this movie and saying this was her movie is so accurate.
Great twist and I loved the Evil Dead 2 reference
Dude she was by far the most fabulous killer lol
@@lopirobinson1991 and she has a really good motive too. I'm a Gen Z so the commentary on Internet fame is so relevant nowadays and people actually have done stupid crimes for clout, even more so than when the movie came out. It's my top 3 Scream movie because the writing is just solid.
Omg what you said about Jill is spot on. I love that people are starting to appreciate scream 4
scream 4 supremacy
This is the only Scream movie that I had WTF moment. Totally shocked during the reveal of Jill Roberts.
Jill/Emma Roberts was excellent as Ghostface, it was seriously a twist I DID NOT SEE COMING and I loved it so freaking much
Same here. I felt dumb af at her reveal because I'd been rooting for her to survive. Lol. They really set her up as the new Sidney.
Same here, unlike the past 2 screams which the reveal I have found rather ehhh, THIS ONE LEFT ME SPEECHLESS. Especially when kirby gets stabbed and then you realize JILL IS PART OF IT TOO. MINDFUCKED
After the shock is done u realized how dumb it actually is. 2 killers that are 5’1 and 5’5. Was way too unrealistic
Scream 4 is probably my favorite in the franchise. I love how self-aware it is. I love how they almost recreate some sequences and makes you second-guess everything that is going on. Is the the bf? Is it the geeky character? Is Judy the new Dewey? This movie needs more love
Jill definitely the most underrated Ghostface. Motive ahead of it’s time. Closest to achieving the goal - and yes went from a boring girl next door to wicked witch in seconds. Bravo Emma Roberts!
How is she underrated 💀💀💀
I find people often don't rate her highly as a Ghostface. I personally found her brilliant. But if you feel differently that's fine too.
Sydney was in hiding in Scream 3. In Scream 4 she is a author who not only opened up about her trauma she has used what she has learned to help others. And the dynamics with her and Gale are completely different. I think that is tremendous character development/progression.
Jill is arguably the best killer. It’s all about context - Sidney running to the front door to check if her cousin is okay to then be stabbed by ghost face, taken back and then the mask is revealed to be…her cousin JILL. Then She explains her motive for fame due to jealously and wanting to escape the mundane existence that is everyday life, etc. The final 25 minutes of the movie is my favourite final act of any Scream movie.
Scream 4 isn’t my favourite, nor does it rank high on my personal list (maybe somewhere in the middle), but I do see it’s greatness along with some weaknesses.
Yet another great video, thanks again!
She only had 2 kills 😂😂
Bro Jill only had two kills 😂
Emma Roberts was great in this rol, my favorite rol of her, along Scream queens, but two oppposite characters, completely.
I'm happy scream 4 is getting the love it deserves now❤
This movie was ahead of its time. I would of rather had scream 4 get at least a sequel following that.
My upcoming fan film does exactly that
Wes was ahead of his time. Dude was such an incredible talented director. These knew ones are so... out of touch and they don't have the same level of significance. Some people say that these new directors managed to revive the Slasher Genre because of Scream 5, but truth to be told, we had a lot, a lot of Slasher movies and series throughout the last decade after Scream 4 was released and after Wes Craven's death. The Slasher was never "dead", and anyone who liked the genre could easily find it everywhere.
@@djjathegod_03 When you have it done, show it to us. Or better yet, LET US HELP HAHAHAHAHA I offer my help if you ever need any
@@victorrocha5755 that would be much appreciated
@@victorrocha5755 I watch these new movies as a bunch of "Scream" fans got 50 million dollars to do a fan film. When I watch Wes's films, I feel I'm lost in a story. I don't feel like I'm watching a movie someone wrote and directed.
Williamson's script for 5, with Jill in school was so original. I wish they would take chances on some of these great ideas instead of cookie cutter formats.
I've always felt that Scream 4 is joint with Scream 2 as my favourite sequel, so underrated! As much as I enjoyed 5 & 6, this hasn't changed my ranking
Scream 4 is my second favourite after the original. Gale is awesome and has so many great one liners. Sidney is the bad ass, ready to fight final girl we know and love her for being... in Scream 5 she did not have the same physical prowess or fighting skill we have seen her display in every other installment before. Kirby was FLAWLESS. Oliva's Death Scene was probably the most brutal of the series. Jill was a totally unexpected and bat-sh*t cray killer. Last but not least.... can we talk about Rebecca Walters?!? Played by Alison Brie (GLOW, Lego Movie) she goes toe to toe with Gale and is just as fierce and feisty - quite possibly the most underrated minor character in the series. The older films ALL did this so much better... Kenny, Joel, Sarah and Jennifer - are all great examples of minor characters who were perfectly cast, hilariously funny and unforgettable. Whereas in Scream 5 and Scream 6... none of the side characters are memorable at all. Don't get me wrong, I love the two new films but they are too obsessed with their Core Four and the other characters get neglected as a result.
Scream 4 is SUPER disrespected. I remember last year, I was at Target, and they had all of the Scream movies in stock for the premier of Scream 5 except for 4. Scream 5 even referred to it as an "inferior sequel," which is ironic because Scream 4 is the better sequel.
Scream 4 is owned by a different studio than the others thats why. And no way, 5 is superior
Personally I think scream 3 is more misunderstood than scream 4
Sooo true!
True.
Scream 4 is getting a lot of love now
True. But to be fair, it's not very great as a Scream film but as a film in general, it's a masterpiece of thriller comedy with great commentary
Nah scream 3 wasn’t even horror, felt like watching a soap opera or the scary movie franchise
@@jmcg2165 is this a joke? Scream 4's whole opening was a pure parody. Characters made jokes while getting stabbed. Scream 4 is much more of a comedy than Scream 3. Scream 3 was always serious in the important intense moments!
Jill's reveal was the best one so far. We were expecting her to be the new final girl and I really believed her that the mastermind could be Trevor with sidekick either Charlie or Randy until their reveal. Most of the ghosface reveals in Scream franchise were to be fair not very surprising except Mrs Loomis and Roman who we thought were some absolute minor characters until the end, so it was not the same shock as when they introduced someone as a main hero to make her main villain.
Jill & Kirby getting the phone call while Olivia is killed, that would have been an amazing opening. btw thanks for the good subtitles
So weird, I watched this after Scream 6 and I have to agree I think I like it more because of how unique and different the Ghost Face reveal was. Especially watching Jill stage the scene. I would probably say whilst 4 isn't my favourite film she's my second favourite Ghostface after Billy and Stu. I also liked the fact we the film ended with the news reporting that she was a victim ect ...
Fantastic video. One of the best you've done in a while. I think the movie is underrated, but I also agree that scream 3 is underrated also. Scream 4 was in a class of its own. I loved what you said about Wes taking risks with the movie.
I LOVE Scream 4! Always have done and although I sussed out Charlie was a killer, when Jill revealed she was a Ghostface my jaw dropped in the cinema way back in 2011!
The only reason why she didn't kill Dewey, Gale or Sidney is mostly because of their plot armor but also because murdering Dewey and Gale would not have that much effect. Sure she could had shot Sidney, but again, plot armor excuse. She had already done so much, had she killed one and any of the legacy character's, she'd be unstoppable. Some people say Amber was awesome because she had managed to do these killings, but even though Amber killed a Legacy and a Returning character, she lacked motive, she lacked charisma, she lacked an effective plan (No one would believe Sam was doing all of that), she didn't kill all of her friends like Jill did and Amber was the secondary killer, because Richie was the main one, and Richie was a coward, let alone a very boring character, but is also mostly praised because his actor was in a popular TV Show, even though he is just a nepo baby and doesn't have the same level of talent his parents have.
I find it so pathetically dumb how the new Killers don't have a propper plan to escape like Jill, Mrs. Loomis and Billy did, or the fact that they don't seem to have their own distinguished personalities. By the time we see Billy and Loomis, Mrs. Loomis and Mickey or Jill and Charlie, we can see how different each one of them are with their partners. For fuck's sake, Mickey was acting like a goose, mocking Sidney around up until he got shot by Mrs. Loomis, and Jill had her motives because "What the media truly likes is a sole survivor"... The new killers mostly kill other characters and extra characters for fun, and trying to blame their deaths on Sam is just so damn bad. She is never even there when their victims die or they don't have any relation with her whatsoever, so why whould she kill these extras???
I don’t know if anyone else has noticed with the new Scream movies, the past year they seem to keep using left over vibes of what happened in Scream 4 (2022) bringing hicks back having Amber as a killer gave off Jill vibes filling in Tara’s and Sam’s relationship during the time frame of Scream 4 having Kirby back in 6 and her reminiscing with Charlie’s and Jill’s pics so in a way Scream 4 is getting the recognition it deserves
Yeah,they are trying to tie it more in with the new trilogy
No, it doesn't. In Scream 4, Mindy specifically says how Scream 4, aka Stab 8, was an inferior movie that no one cared about, because Judy Hicks was in there, and how Wes was safe because he wouldn't die. As usual, boring ass Mindy was wrong. Still, the line and some of the other things in the last two movies really shows how these directors have diminished this franchise too much, but only care about it's original movie.
@@victorrocha5755 L. Stab 8 is not based on scream 4 because sidney threatened to sue them,but stab 8 has some elements from scream 4 like a character based on judy or the killer with the metal ghostface mask being Charlie. And the fans didn't care for stab 8 because of Judy being in it lol,it's because they say that the movie was garbage. Mindy is not boring lol,and yeah the new directors didn't demolish the franchise but the bew movies don't have the quality like the first 4 movies.
@@ayascamdzic3827 Even though in Scream 4 the plot says Stab Movies 4 - 7 didn't have Sidney's story in real life, it still had her character in them, mentioned in Scream 5 that she was in every installment. And I did not say people in the movie said Stab 8 was bad because Judy, the character, was in it. But she was in it regardless, and the movie is treated it as the inferior sequel ever. This also has to do with the fact that Scream 4 was considered, for many years, the inferior sequel because of Low Box Office (solely for that really) and because the whole aspect regarding Scream 4 being a remake of the original (something that the requel did much worse). In any way, Stab 8 still came after the events of Scream 4 happened, being considered the most relatively close to it - even if the story in the plot is not that related to the real events of Scream 4.
And like you said it yourself: Judy was there, and because of that, Wes Hicks shouldn't be worried because "his mother was in the inferior sequel", and Judy Hicks was the character in Scream 4, the considered "inferior sequel".
@@ayascamdzic3827 Mindy is by far the most boring character from the new gen. Even Chad had a very considerate development in Scream 6, which Mindy didn't and she was wrong about the rules, again. She points at everyone, while even Randy was right about Billy in the first movie and right about Sidney's past being involved in Scream 3.
Never understood the hate this movie gets, I've always loved it for all the reasons you pointed on this video, brilliant analysis, thank you!
As a huge Scream fan I have always loved this entry. I wish they would have mad a sequel to it.
I think Jill is probably the most methodical of all the Ghostface killers, but that’s just me.
SCREAM 4 is my Second Favourite Right after Scream 1
Same
Scream 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scream 2022 and VI
4 is probably my favorite sequel, jockeying with 2 for the position. Interesting characters, possibly the best killers since Billy and Stu, legacy characters feeling like they should be there. Can argue that the series should have stopped after 3 and that's fair, but if 4 had to happen and tackle the idea of remakes without actually remaking the original, it went about it in an excellent way.
A lot of people don’t understand what is the main idea of the 4th which is not a direct sequel or a reboot, it is meant to be the “Failed new ending ” and no that is not a jab cuz 4 is my favorite.
Meaning Jill wanted to rewrite the ending and she was supposed to be the star of the story, she was almost gonna get away with it, without Sidney being alive or any of the new cast.
With the 4th no one was supposed to survive from the young cast cuz Jill didn’t want it to be a reboot with new survivors like Sidney, Gale and Dewey, it’s supposed to be just her and 2 of the legacy characters that will carry on the torch making Jill the new final girl and ending it there, meaning making her become the Sidney people will talk about and not a reboot final girl, that’s how smart she is.
Instead of making a direct sequel to Sidney’s story or a reboot, she wanted Sidney’s story to be about her by writing a different ending to Sidney’s story with her being in the ending and not Sidney, hence taking over the whole story.
But she failed and a couple of the new cast survived making the 4th movie not a reboot cuz the story wasn’t supposed to continue with these characters being the main ones nor a sequel and that’s why u don’t see a lot development in the old characters arc and it on purpose didn’t add anything to the original trilogy story cuz it wasn’t supposed to and by that Jill’s plan to have her new ending failed hence making it the “failed new ending ”.
So in conclusion the 4th is a side story about Jill trying to rewrite the ending and taking over Sidney’s persona which I really hoped that she was successful with cuz I loveeee her 💚
agreed! it’s such a nuanced-ly meta motive and method
This is one of your best videos, I love how spot-on you were about Jill. She's truly the star of this movie and it's the first time we see the pov of a Ghostface.
Ur movie essays are always amazing, u deserve more views
Jill is a cool ghostface!
Jill is my second favorite ghostface of the franchise
Have you ever noticed how weirdly comedic this movie feels at times? Not like Scream 3, Scream 3 is a straight up comedy, and not like Screams 1 and 2, which balanced comedy and horror better, I mean comedic while the horror is happening. There's like a tonal dissonance in it that almost makes it feel like a cartoon show. I think that's completely intentional, alongside the gross looking glossy filter and the dumb score, as a pun on remakes. A cheap remake just cheapens the content that is borrowing from the original, so a movie about an in-universe remake NEEDS to feel a little bit like Stab.
They also play with the theme of desensitization throughout (the previous generation's tragedy is the next one's joke), expertly portrayed particularly in a very underrated opening in which the audience is made to feel bored by two real murders after seeing three fictional ones because the unexpected is the new cliché, and after two fucking stupid Stab sequences you don't get the Drew Barrymore level shit you're expecting, no, you get a third one that is probably even worse. That, following the movie's logic, is subversion in and of itself. The opening kill is the blandest in the movie, and Stab and reality merge.
All of this combined completely removes the audience from the action, and it all feels very surreal and alienating, just like Sidney, who seems on drugs until the hospital scene. Then they also take the numbness you're feeling and they pretty much give it to the killer as their motivation. Jill is putting you to sleep throughout the movie with how uninteresting she is, and then she reveals herself and she shows you her numbness, how much of a cartoon everything is for her. Even Jenny, during the fucking opening, goes: "Well, at least Woodsboro is known for something...". I don't know, either the movie is too clever or I'm absolutely crazy.
It's hilarious to me how anti-remake the whole thing is. Not becuse it's super original or anything, no, it's sticking to the recycling philosophy to a T, but instead of copying, it subverts. Everything is the same, but the values are completely inverted (New Tatum dies first, new Gale dies, new bad Randy is Randy+Stu, new good Randy 1 is Randy+Tatum, new good Randy 2 is Randy+Kenny, new bad Randy stabs the other two new good Randies, new Sidney is the killer, new Billy is the scapegoat, new Sidney kills new Maureen, new Dewey is creepy AF and hates Gale, etc.). That feels new enough for me (pun intended), specially 'cause it's justified. It's nowhere near my favourite of the franchise, but I've never though of it as too derivative. I do about Screams 5 and 6, on the other hand.
This movie is interwoven with that which it is parodying so closely that I can't help but laugh hysterically at the tought of me, 12 years later, thinking about if I'm overthinking stuff as much as Marnie and Anna Paquin in the opening, doing the movie's job creating false merits for it just as they drag Stab for filth, or if it truly is the subtle meta-masterpiece that I'm claiming it to be. I don't know, Scream 4 is just a fever dream for me, honestly. This explanation was probably long and terrible but it is so hard for me to talk about it 😂
these were my thoughts exactly when i first saw the film-definitely a tribute to Kevin’s often-artfully meta writing
@@evil.connor Yeah. I tend to prefer when a Scream movie builds itself using parts from other horror, but this is still an attempt at self-parody that I can absolutely get behind. It's no regular slasher to rate based on just kills, that's for sure.
Love your take on the film. It reintroduces the viciousness that the original Scream movie had in terms of kills. Jill, unlike the GF killers, was not interested in creating a narrative around their victim (Sidney, Sam). She was making a story for herself. She was also the closest to getting away with it. I wish S6 would’ve given us more connections to this sequel with the involvement of Kirby.
Scream 4 is as good as the original in my opinion
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@Nick Xero no. They are just correct. 😊
I agree!
If you seen the extend fan cut. You would feel differently. Better character development. Wish they kept the deleted scenes😢
this was the 1st Scream movie I was old enough to see in theaters so I have a soft spot for it.
Jill is my all time favorite Ghostface and her motive has never been topped in my opinion. I have adored the Scream Franchise since I saw the original in theaters in 1996, but I have noticed that Scream 4 is the entry that I always choose to revisit when I feel like watching a Scream film. It is likely the entry I have revisited the most over the years and I think it’s bc of several of the points that Beyond the Mask mentions in this video. It’s a self-contained story that is fun to watch and has a better integration of the new and old characters than Scream 2022. It has its flaws and many of them come from rewrites and the studio meddling with certain parts of the film. When I see some of alternate scenes and read parts of Kevin’s original script, I can overlook the flaws a bit more and wish that the movie Kevin and Wes had originally envisioned had been allowed to make it to the screen as it would have been an even better movie.
I enjoy Sidney in this film and it’s nice to see her back for more than just the final act like we were given in Scream 3. Gale was the lead of Scream 3 in my opinion and she’s even better in the 4th movie. Scream 2022 and Scream 6 have not recaptured the essence of Gale Weathers like she was in Scream 4. Dewey really is pointless, unreasonable, and incompetent in Scream 4, which is why I felt his death in Scream 2022 was warranted.
I will always prefer the alternative opening to Scream 4 bc it fits the theme of the movie so much better, but I still enjoy having the fake Stab openings giving us fun fake out Scream scenes with some of the most prominent young actresses that were popular at the time. That was an aspect of Scream 3 and Scream 2022 that I found lacking, as I remember Scream being a franchise that hired big name actors/actresses that were popular at the time and including them in the movies as Stab cameos, side characters with one or two scenes, or cannon fodder for Ghostface. The casting of big names for small roles added to the meta nature of films by capturing the essence of the Hollywood landscape as it existed during each of the films’ release dates. It helps to take you back to the time it was made and enhances the rewatching experience.
Scream 4 was ahead of it’s time so I am so happy to see it finally getting the recognition that it deserves.
This is my favorite motive and if it had come out today people would have flipped. TH-cam had only just become a thing. This franchise has brilliant red herrings but this one wins. It was so easy to point out Billy and Micky. Definitely didn’t see the fake death coming, but that was when a normal human character dies, they’re dead. I refuse to believe people went in and within twenty minutes knew it was Jill. It was so smart to essentially make Kirby the lead so you kind of forget about Jill. And she really did almost get away with it. And scene.
so true-seeing Sidney get stabbed in the gut was DEVASTATING in 2011
@@evil.connor that was a rare horror moment. The theater was completely silent. I’m trying to think of moments where it legitimately looked like the final girl had died and the bad guy had won. Not the, “oh she got hurt and the villain is being cocky,” but the “holy shit, the villain actually won and the final girl is dead?”I’m not really coming up with much
@@hannahremmel9550 you're right--this might be it
Unpopular opinion, but Scream 4 is my favorite sequel. Yes, it has flaws, even some big ones (the fake out opening scene). I love Gale in this movie, Jill and Kirby were fantastic characters, and I like how intimate if felt after going to college and Hollywood. Watching Scream 5 all I could think was I’ve seen a better return to Woodsboro movie and please stop beating me upside the head with fan service.
I thought the opening was a brilliant statement and parody of horror franchise timelines since they are often messy or completely defunct. If they had made a joke about hoping Stab 8 forgets the fictional sequels and pickups with Sidney Prescott after Stab 3 I think people would have understood the opening better. Especially with that kind of dig at the Halloween movies, imagine what that joke would feel like now after the recent Halloween trilogy attempt.
The opening fake out is the perfect example of show vs tell. (The Woodsboro opening: Jenny tells Marni why it works. But we, as an audience got to see it instead of her just saying it.) Plus opening fake out mirrors the closing fake out whilst showing Stab6 in the first closing fake out. The absolute meta-ness in this film is on-point.
The fake out opening's scenes are great to it's fake out ending scenes parallel. I personally don't understand why people are so pissed at it because it was original, clever, had significance and were greatly made.
The problem is not just fan servicing, it's fan servicing for the sake of fan servicing but with no proper plot and with no significance.
It's my favorite, too. After I saw it, I was sad and wanted to see it all over again. After I saw "Scream 5," I was like "What was that?" It didn't feel like a "Scream" movie.
I DEFINITELY love Kirby more than Randy
They did a great job at making the characters feel aged, like they had gone through so much in that long pause between films. I love 4, way more than 3 and I like 3.
Scream 4 is my favorite of the sequels by far! Jill’s reveal was probably one of the best and most surprising in the franchise. And Gale was also an amazing part of this one! Other than the opening kill being uninspired, I have no issues with it! Takes less suspension of disbelief than the last couple installments.
Jill is the best ghostface killer to date imo
She's 💯 my second favorite ghostface in general out of them all
I never understood how people hated this movie because it has always been an entertaining movie to me. I love Jill. I love Kirby. I love all of the OG cast. It's definitely above 3 and 5 for me.
Scream 4 is the best after Scream OG. Y'all can argue with the wall
I think Scream 4 is great. Every actor/actress was great. The new characters felt like they belonged, and their introduction was very fluid and natural. The dialogue was good. The implement of new technology was great. Really the only downside was the opener, and even then, at the time was pretty clever.
How I rank the franchise:
1. Scream 1996
2. Scream 4
3. Scream 3
4. Scream 2
5. Scream VI
6. Scream 2022
I still really enjoy 5 and 6, there hasn't been a bad scream yet. Sure some of them have flaws and things that could have been done better, but overall it's the only horror franchise without a bad movie.
This movie is so good!
3rd favorite of the franchise
I think with the opening of the movie aside I love scream 4 and I think that Jill Roberts was awesome as Ghostface and how she hurts herself is off the rails. Great video 👍
4 has grown on me over the years.
Jill is now one of my favorites GF's
One thing has not changed for me, and that's Charlie. Charlie gave the worst reveal performance, I don't know if it was Rory's performance or the dialogue written for him. It was so cringe.
"Yeah just like Billy and Stu!" Awful just AWFUL
The best Ghostfaces came from Woodsboro itself. After Billy, Jill was the best. She was the only one who almost pulled it off all the way.
Was 1:49 in there to acknowledge that Scream 4 has a big gay fan base? It does certainly seem that way on social media. I'm gay and personally I think it's near the top in terms of my favorites out of the franchise. I honestly didn't care that the characters don't progress or anything, I sort of like that a lot of the kids are just jerks because it kind of allows you to reflect back once the killer is revealed and almost root for Jill. Obviously you want Sidney to survive, but it's sort of fun to root for the killer especially if she's so flamboyant and unhinged. It's like with Jill the Scream franchise gets its Michael Myers or Jason.
It absolutely is in there to acknowledge how much gays love it 🤣
didn’t catch that the first time lol
The biggest kudos about S4 is a window to the real world, Jill was a mastermind, she figured out all well, she will be the final girl, after ended Sidney, and she just go for the likes and the fame. Her phrase "I don't need friends, I need fans!", aged really well, this thing happen all the time even nowadays. This script was brilliant because this wasn't only an slasher movie, this was also a great criticism to our society.
OMG... Yeah, I always said Scream 4 was soooo underrated! This movie really nailed where Scream 2022 failed... in the remake/sequel aspect! Scream 4 play with the "remake idea" and push the idea even further.
This is another perfect Wes / Kevin match...
Once aspect as you said, the blend of legacy and new character here is great (compare to in 2022). The meta was great and we (as viewers) were always on our toes trying to guess who's the killer (This is one of the issues with the new movies... we are never wondering who's the killer).
And OMG... Jill? Probably still one of the best reveal and motive for a killer! Even as today, it's still scary as hell (and accurate). I know we are saying the new Scream 6 Ghostface is so dark and different... but Jill was DARK and her motive / plans was even more! And knowing this was a movie released 11 years after the first trilogy, I would have been fine if her plan went all the way to success. It was so twisted and such a critique about our society... (and still is now).
Scream 4 deserves so much love!
It flipped the scream formal and stands on its own. I love it. I really like how it used two mini movies to catch up the fourth from 10 years (like the sidekick and Facebook reference)
I love how you break it down!! A true Scream fan !! Keep it up bro!
Great vid🎉
I can gladly say I saw spring four when it came out in the theaters with a group of my friends. It did not disappoint them, and it does not disappoint. Now my favorite thing is to know that I have always appreciated screen four. I always thought it was ahead of its time, especially with technology and if you’re a real fan, you would look back and know that the evolvingof technology is pretty much a part of scream itself. Ghostface has always had some sort of technology. So just to see that people are looking back at finding it better than scream. It makes me laugh because nobody appreciated it back then.
If the opening scene was better this would easily be the best sequel imo
I have to politely disagree that Sidney didn't grow in Scream 4. She had such a strong survivor vibe and had shared her journey in her book. She wasn't quite as badass as she was in other movies, like when she was actually scared of Jill in the hospital. But I feel like overall, Sidney truly was out of darkness and it showed. She was more mature and wasn't hiding anymore.
I agree with all this. Especially since "Scream [5]," the team group only appears a few times before the finale to duplicate the original dialogue, say "Your'e the killer... no, you are"... and it became arbitrary which one of them was one of the Ghostfaces.
I wasn't a fan the first time I watched it but everytime i watch it I like it more, i like it way better than 3,5, and 6, and i have tough time choosing between 2 and 4.
I really enjoyed scream 4. Two things I didn't like tho, the ending should've been Jill getting rolled out on a gurney and winning! Stupid Harvey Weinstein made them add the final ending, which was dumb. Jill should've been the first 👻🔪 to get away with it. Lastly I didn't care much for how Wes craven filmed it in that weird lens. Everything was glaring and fuzzy. I read he did it that way to give a new look to the film but eh.
was it really harvey that wanted to change the end?
I agree it was completely out of her character to slip the mention of Gale's injury in the hospital
1. SCREAM
2. SCRE4M
3. SCREAM VI
4. SCREAM (2022)
5. SCREAM 2
6. SCREAM MTV
7. SCREAM 3
i really like the 4th one!
Ok so, as someone who has been a die-hard Scream fan ever since my dad showed me the original as a kid, I gotta say that 4 is pretty bad. I do agree that at the time, it was awesome to see the franchise reborn in a sense with a new movie being brought to a new generation...However, with more time passed, more installments and even more added to the original story...Scream 4 probably does deserve that low ranking.
In my personal opinion, the movie was very forced in many ways. For example, in Scream 5, Sidney showed up by choice even tho the killer was not after her whatsoever. Her presence in 4 was very forced...and by that, I mean that the movie itself suffered due to forcing another entry in Sid's story, which came to a good end in 3. The Character of Jill in general was boring in the beginning and even up to her killer reveal felt insanely forced to mimic Sidney...yes, I do get that was her whole motive in the end, but I still feel it was a very unnecessary installment and just a way to bring the series back without changing it too much. BUT...this made it one of the most unrealistic, random, non-fitting installments in my opinion.
Sidney's story as the main target should have ended after her altercation with Roman in 3, because the original story line was finally brought to an end. luring Sid back to town just to basically reboot the franchise was lazy. Was the movie terrible? No, very watchable honestly. There is just a lot that bothers me and a lotta other fans about this movie that I cant help but notice people take as wayyy too deep...Charlie was obviously the killer from the trailer, I could see that at 12 years old, Jill was not obvious but once she was revealed, it was disappointing and frankly, pretty stupid to watch given how OP she was for a random high school girl.
I won't even dive into all the annoying tropes in the movie such as the overuse of unrealistic technology for the time...vloggers/content creators in 2011 were not constantly streaming let alone with a headset camera, Trevor's character was literally wearing Neil Prescott's outfit and still no one noticed he was the token creep being framed and the whole "I'm jealous of Sidney" thing was insanely overdone by that point.
Decent movie in general, poor sequel to 3 and was definitely bested by the story given to us in 5 & 6. So my final thought in this rant? Scream 4 is ok as a stand-alone movie but the film and its killers truly do not compare with the rest of the franchise as a whole.
wait, u like 5 & 6?
@@evil.connor not nearly as much as 1-3 but ive never been a fan of 4. now that 5 and 6 are out it makes it seem even more pointless
Recently forced my mom to watch the whole franchise with me (except the sixth I went to watch that alone) all of the killer reveals got an oooh or arrr but scream 4 killer reveal she she gasped at the volume of a cartoon character just thought I'd share that
Jill is easily the best ghost face in my opinion
One of the things I've seen people complain about S4 is also the visual effect and filter used in it. Apparently that pissed off too many fans, and made they despise it so much because some people felt "sick"while watching it, which I completely disagree because I loved that effect.
Wow the way you just described that jill moves up in my killer ranking
This movie’s cast was packed. Imagine having major actors and actresses as ghostface fodder
Scream 4 was a lot better than scream (2022) which I think is definitely worst movie in the franchise thought 6 was good but still not as good as first 4 films
Thank you. This movie is one of my favorites!
I remember when Scream 4 was on Cinemax or whatever back in like 2011-2012. I watched it over and over again because it’s pretty enjoyable as a standalone film like you said
The thing that makes Jill a great ghostface is that she is the only one to actually achieve her goal.
Remember both her and Charlie were recording their murders?
By sacrificing her partner in crime this shows Jill will go to any length to get fame. Therefore Jill had probably uploaded some of their videos onto the dark web, inspiring Ghostface attacks across the globe. All without Charlie knowing.
Scream 1 until scream 4 had excellent actors
Emma roberts played perfectly Jill, it was so realistic.
Deadly video! ❤🎉😊
S4 is like really good dlc
Scream 4 is my second favorite, behind the original. Integrated new and legacy characters perfectly. It had the best storyline. The new "final girl" ended up being the killer. Great twist and great scenes.
I liked scream 4 as a fan I was just happy to see ghostface back at first but when I actually went to the theater and seeing it for the first time I liked the whole vibe from start to finish... I saw the first movie when I was 7 with my dad I'm happy I came from the era of ghostface 🔪😱💀
This movie was ahead of its time
this is the best argument ever for why Scream 4 is an underrated classic in the making. 🍿🔪♥️😎
Man I waited for this day for so long and it finally came out. And my gramdma passed away on that day. 😢 but it's still one of my favorites. It was just weird I live in Michigan, it was filmed not far me, it's my favorite franchise, and I was born in 96. But it is what it is I still have love for it always.
The other thing that works with Jill being the killer is Emma Roberts is so believable as a sweetheart but also so believable as a self-entitled bitch. The two female killers in the last two "Scream" movies were played by actresses who thought being a psycho meant they had to be over the top and hammy... to me, as someone who works in film and analyzes performances' differently than most... it comes off like young actresses trying to impress people. With Jill, it just felt like a character who wasn't aware she was being filmed. A major difference. Emma also was known primarily for being clean-cut (except for her roles in small indies which Wes Craven had a hand in) so she didn't start doing all these bitchy characters until after "Scream 4" told the industry she could do them.
Scream 4 is the best in the franchise. If they kept the deleted scenes and did a better opening would be terrific.
Scream 4 is a gem i prefer it over the new scream 5 and 6 but still have enjoyed the newer entries
Yes. I love Scream 4.
This is arguably my favourite Scream sequel.
Also, Kirby and Jill are some of my favourite characters, aswell as Jill being my 2nd favourite Ghostface (Billy is 1st and Stu is 3rd).
Thankfully there is a fan edit where jill wins in the end 👍
where
Cliffhanger ending incoming :)
drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/12-Tpks7-Rk6ckZcStCQXeceClxS6MWt9?usp=sharing
I still think Kirby shouldve been the new final girl since they killed Jill.
Scream 4 is my second favorite of the franchise. Probably the best killer reveal.
Scream 4 is and was one of my favorite of the films, nothing beats the original, but god Jill is a twisted person. I think if they ended the film with Jill actually surviving and leaving us on kind of a cliffhanger, it would of been an amazing way to start the 5th film, with ghostface killer actually winning for once, or seemingly so. But idk why this film got hate, its much better than the 3rd, and id even put it before the second film and i love Scream 2. Maybe its just me, but Jill being the killer and how twisted she was really made me go wow, and the film was ahead of its time.
I watched Scream 4 for the first time last year and it is surprising how fresh and relevant it is to our current society. Livestreaming wasn't a mainstream thing back then and them talking about Ghostface being online all the time makes so much sense these days. People have done crimes and proudly broadcast them on the internet for clout. It's the right movie at the wrong time. Even the reveal is a huge wtf moment because you thought the OG died.
Jill Roberts is my favorite ghostface with roman being my second
Personally it's my least favorite of the franchise, but by no means do I not enjoy it. I don't see why people say it's their favorite when the first is so well made compared to it, but hey to each their own. Jill is definitely a saving grace, both as a fake new main character and as a solid ghostface with arguably the best reveal in the series. Kirby was a good new character too, glad she wound up surviving. For me a big thing is it tells no overarching story. 3 holds up more for me because it concludes the trilogy. This movie kind of just happens without characters developing as you said.
Scream 4 is my third least favorite, but that Olivia kill is probably one of the goriest and best kills out of all Scream kills; Charlie did a number on her! 🔪 🩸
Personally scream 4 is my second favorite behind the first one. Jill was an interesting ghost face and Kirby was brought back in 6 for a reason.
I agree with you. I thought this was the worst movie of the franchise. I only liked Olivia's death and after the 3rd or 4th rewatch the reveal also became the best part of Scream 4. The reveal was ahead of its time considering TH-cam wasn't a thing until 2006. The opening scene was goofy and a couple of death scenes as well. EX. Officer Anthony Perkins. As a result scream 4 has been fluctuating in my ranking since scream 22'
i had no idea about that now i love scream 4 even more
I haven’t seen that banner for the board since 2012. We may have even talked. That’s so wild to me.
Scream 4 was the first one I saw in the theatre and I was so disappointed, but optimistic.
I’m glad Scream and Scream 2 have got theatre releases for their anniversaries.
But I wish we could have seen the new trilogy.