This was OUTSTANDING. Some things I noticed in his writing. -Woodsboro in meltdown and judging Sidney which also adds to why she never wants to return. -The Mayor clearly blames Gale for the murders, which also explains why she wanted to leave Woodsboro. -The whole Boogeyman angle with Billy being some sort of legend amongst the kids of Woodsboro was amazing
The angry woodsborow goes into scream 5 too. It’s short and easy to miss, but when Judy drives by a crowd of people and news reporters, you can hear someone yell to Judy’s passing car “you suck!”
I like the idea of Woodsboro seeing Billy how Haddonfield sees Michael, Springwood sees Freddy, Crystal Lake sees Jason and so on. He was the original Ghostface, him and Stu were 2 of the more vicious killers with their gutting, they inspired multiple copycats after their deaths, they, apart from Jill came the closest to killing Sidney, Billy killing Maureen set everything off and so on.
Sam Carpenter was only three years behind Jill Roberts during the events of S4. They must have crossed paths in school at some point. It would be interesting to know what Sam was going through during the events of S4.
They probably would have interacted briefly. Jill would be still under that ‘good quiet girl’ guise while Sam I assume before she learned her true heritage had a normal childhood. Would be interesting to see how they’d interact with their personalities.
Making Billy a legend amongst the kids and teens in Woodsboro may be one of the best things I've ever read about this franchise. Make this canon paramount
Evidently they did, because in scream 5 when they are all sitting at mindy & Chad's, mindy is explaining requel rules, Wes says " my mom is a character is one of them" & mindy says " no care cares about the sequels wes, your safe. But with randy being our uncle, we are probably screwed"
I love when you get into Sam's head, and shows just how great her character is being an 'anti-Ghostface' - born from Ghostface but as a final girl. Sam as a character is so interesting and has such potential especially with the identity and mental health angle which is very modern. It is unfortunate that Sam has to learn this at such an young age of 13 and this would undoubtedly fuck any sane people up mentally and cause severe issues, like all the problems we see Sam having in Scream 5 and she even mentioned for one period she 'changed and taking every drug i can get my hands on' and I would love to hear what sort of mental illness you think Sam has.
That last part is way more relatable than I'd like to admit - I think any person with family like that might question their own ability to potentially end up the same way.
I’d read a full book of your work no joke man , I loved this so much , gave so much context to Sams later thoughts and feelings in Scream 2022 towards her father
I love this! I think her realizing who her dad was through the anger and fear of the townspeople really highlights and explains her struggle to cope with it.
I would say that Sam reading the name Sidney in the diary would trigger a wild sense of curiosity in her as I believe Sidney would have been a someone she had heard of by age 13 and new vaguely about. Maybe because of the 7 stab films Billy loomis name hasn’t been spoken in the town much since and since he’s only featured in stab 1 we can say chalk it up to him being not as important in the fan base because of the 6 other stab films and the fact there are so many killers in that franchise already. So maybe she hadn’t heard of him. But I would say she gets very intrigued by the fact she keeps seeing the name Sidney in her mothers diary’s. No really knowing if it’s the famous Sidney from her town or just another Sidney her mom went to school with. I’d say this does not supersede the information that her father isn’t her father. So she’s wrapped up in that but I’d say very shortly after she starts to really wonder who this Sidney is based purely off the fact that she knows that name. Everyone does. What a weird coincidence. Did my real dad date a celebrity in high school?!!! Sam then heard Billy’s name from the crowed like in your story. It clicks…”wait no, what? Why is my dads name being brought up right now how random.” Somthing in her gut tells her it’s not good at all. It’s not a coincidence. She does some online research and funded old articles and that Billy has a whole fan base online. She’s goes into denial and uses drugs. The drugs and her paranoia of her bloodline make her hallucinate. And she sees visions of Billy as a 17 year old kid because that’s all she’s every seen of him.
it is very cool and very interesting how you novelize this! you never see this kind of stuff in the movies because they usually focus on the 'action' but this truely makes it even more realistic! it's always the aftermath of the crime that hits home hard for people truely. Thanks for posting! ☺
Imagine Sam mother was Ghostface? Her and Sam don't get along and we know she's a bad mother not caring to check on her daughters who been involved in a murder spree and Tara don't seem to have a close relationship with their mother either.
That be interesting a mother vs daughters concept and it be a parallel to Billy's mother being Ghostface but what would be her motive? Sam destroyed their family and took Tara with her and this will come back to being about Billy like in every movie.
Once you have done novelising the scream franchise I would love a link to download and read it. Sounds interesting and as always a fascinating video Beyond the Mask
Once Radio Silence’s trilogy is finished (if that’s what it’s going to be or if VI is the last one) I will be incredibly excited to read these novelizations. I feel like you’re really going to flesh everything out in the lore that we miss between movies, which looks totally awesome based on this video
It is crazy how life imitates life like you saying in that one part and mickey was saying in scream two lol. Billy and Stu did these crazy things had some crazy plans maybe even had diaries or notebooks or videos of their planning or expressing how they feeling lol. And they go on a murder spree that went viral and years later its like a anniversary like someone else affected by those events now they have to don the mask and do their on spree sounds familiar especially during that time the original came out. It was just a year or two later with the coloUmbine thing happened and the similarities between those two and Billy and Stu is a lot lol. Their spree inspired others and we've had so many since then that's our world but in scream world they're like them lol. They've inspired all the other movies to happen lol. So crazy how many crazy people there are out there lol
umm you know the carpenter sisters are supposed to be latinas and not white that been said they already have a very caucasian last name being carpenter because of sam stepdad, therefore i don’t think cristina would have thompson as her last name it just doesn’t make sense since your trying to build up lore here 🙄
The original plot of Scream 3 was stu macher came back to build a entire army of ghostfaces . My theory ; in Scream 6 , the stab movies has literally developed a cult and now their killing off the survivors .
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I suspect he would have. As a teenage boy--barely an adult--he likely wouldn't want to deal with a child or child support. His particular mentality isn't that which takes responsibility for his actions.
I don’t think sam would take her time to digest the journal at 13 you make irrational decisions and I doubt that she wouldn’t know who Billy Loomis was adults may not have talked about those events but kids definitely would and stab is a big franchise and by this time Charlie would have thrown 2 stabathons even if she couldn’t go to then I’m pretty sure word would have spread and kids in middle school at the time would have heard and thrown there version of one and when I was around that age everyone was getting into horror movies pretty sure kids from a town where a horror movie takes place would interest them
Sam already knew Jill at scream4, that's a fact. And if Sam was the head behind Jill and Charlie's plan, Sam at that time already knew that she was Billy's daughter and was a loomis, and after the scream4 event, Sam disappeared for 5 years, that's strange!
I always had a theory that Sam was at the stab-a-thon in scream 4. She was a teen at the time in school With the victims of the 4th movie so it makes sense she may have been invited to that party.
4:44 @sistapam had a really good and „sense-making" theory: When Sidney bumps into Billy after he is released in school, there were two girls who immediately left when they saw him and Sidney,maybe the one girl who says “Chrissy, wait up!"is Gaby, could “Chrissy" be a nickname for “Christina Thompson Carpenter", maybe she is just took a pregnancy test in the bathroom and is running away from her friend and also doesn't want Billy to hear them, bc Sam was born in May/July 1997, which means that Cristina was pregnant during the events of the first movie (September 1996), this only makes a lot of sense
Sam and Tara are biracial (White and Latina). Their mother is obviously Latina as both of them are of that ethnic background and that is the only parent they share biologically. Billy is white so Sam is half white. But since their last name is Carpenter it implies their mother took the name of Tara’s bio dad in their marriage. So it’s safe to assume that Tara’s bio dad is also a white man, since the Carpenter last name is of French/English origin and because both daughters have the same skin tone. We can also safely assume the bio dad of Tara is white because the dude thought he was Sam’s bio dad for a long time, until Sam found the diary. If he was a black or Asian man don’t you think he would’ve noticed “hey my supposed daughter Sam doesn’t look black or Asian at all, yet my other daughter Tara does.” I guess Tara and Sam’s mom just has a type for white boys 😂
It interesting and I love the part where the town's people are in front of the police station,but you do know it's not real lol?Sam said herself that she found the diary in the attic and she ofcourse already knew who Billy was and immediately went to her mom to tell her the truth,that'sit.But I do believe that Jill's AND CHARLIE'S( he's overlooked to much by this point) killing spree did affect Sam,opening a wound in her and realizing that no one would have died in the 4th or every other killing spree if it wasn't for her father,that her dad is much as responsible for the new deaths and every other one after the original murders just as much as the killers after them.She was then scared in the 4th killing spree when it gave a thought and the fear of becoming like him,or that there would be more victims. Plus if we go by the book,Sam was 14 in scream 4 so she already knew who billy is
That literally makes no sense when you take into an account the opening of 5. Why would Tara let herself be attacked in the opening when 1.) no one is around to see her get attacked so she would have no reason to throw away suspicion of herself from someone else like Jill did when Charlie sliced her. Or Ritchie when amber sliced his arm in the hospital. 2.) once again, the hospital sequence. We see her try to call for help before Ritchie shows up and then amber in the Ghostface costume does, so that whole attack in the hospital where Tara is pleading for her life and crawling…who would she be acting innocent for in that scene? Up until Sam and Dewey show up, Amber and Ritchie (the 2 Ghostface’s) are the only ones with her. If she is Ghostface why is she keeping up the persona in front of the other two people who are Ghostface? Who is she doing that for, the audience?
Also the idea Tara is Ghostface hinges on the idea that she was like: “Ayo, Ritchie and amber, I need y’all to do a murder spree for me, y’all are gonna completely destroy my body with a knife but not enough to kill just enough to get me barely walking, we’re then gonna have the final showdown at the og macher house, where the two of you are going to die at the hands of me and my sister. And I get to be the star of the sequel 😊 while the both of you lay dead in caskets somewhere”
@@wesstewart2677 id counter argument that seeing as they said the "roman" of this series that shes doing a jill roberts level torture of herself in those scenes to make it as believable as possible. we've already seen billy, stu, and jill all stab themselves in the climaxes of their movies to be able to pass as victims of the massacre. also her being attacked needed to happen as the goal was to lure in sam to kill her and the only reason she came back to woodsboro was specifically because a serial killer attacked and nearly killed her sister. also we already done seen sydney call out amber faking being a victim just from looking at her performance at the house so i could see dewey calling that shit out if they faked it on the phone. i highly doubt amber murked every person in a hospital so there was also the chance another person came in to see this happen as well which gives the ring leader more saftey from being suspected if they did. a side note as well. i dislike your take on your second comment. the plan for tara was to jus kill her sister. the other 2 wanted the stab franchise to get more irl scripts again, thats exactly billy and stu with roman. roman wanted his mom dead, billy and stu fucked it up and killed more after it was done. so he stepped in to cut the loose ends that effected him ( sydney for living and him having to be stuck directing a sequel movie to her life) we already saw amber and ritchie fuck it up by involving the legacy characters into it when they could have been left out and failed to kill their prime target. she didnt know the plot of the movie when making her plans no one in this series does, so why assume she would know shed have a sequel and her 2 accomplices are dead? it just comes off as really devaluing of someone just trying to have fun and theorize on the next killer. for all we know its another roman situation where he introduced that film, never sees the final girl till the end and is somehow even more connected into the story without ever being mentioned or seen before that movie. id take tara as killer over another scream 3.
@@LionWithAGun yeah no offense. All of that just sounds like a whole amount of cope. I’m sorry but you would really need to throw any and all logic out the fucking window to justify Tara also being an accomplice to Richie and amber.
I'm thinking back to Sams discussion about how Sam found out who her real father is telling mom and dad found out and left. I'm trying to remember did she say what happened to her mom or dad. Like i van see the dad being really mad and lots of true crime stories ends with the dad going back and killing the mom and even rest of family but other ones and movies has them doing just the person who wronged them the target and even trying to make it look like a accident lol. Maybe he had to go to a hospital or something but now he's out or got out last year he's still pissed and going after Sam and even tara. Who knows maybe both aren't his daighters. Plus he's been snapped so some things won't make sense won't be thinking straight lol. So it might be her dad lol. Maybe her mom. Maybe the dad left and he's gone but maybe the mom has Bern wanting revenge so she's doing this but I doubt it lol. Maybe they doing like happy death day to u and it'll be both of them lol. Even less likely I think though lol. But funny enough that's what Stu said though. I think its her father lol. Why can't they find her pops lol?
I like your take on it but I personally don’t think it would’ve happened that way. I don’t think Sam’s mother was in love with Billy I think she thought he was hot and a hook up was exciting. I think Sam probably read the diary dates to around when she was conceived and when she read about Billy Loomis she knew exactly who he was. A small town of that size a 13 year old is going to have heard the gruesome story in school, at sleepovers etc because that was a huge killing spree, serial killers and her parents even went to the same school as the kids involved. (I lived in an area of a city where children were murdered in the woods near the closest park the children all played in. By the time I was about 5, years after the murders the kids called it Murder woods instead of it’s real name) As soon as she read he was her father I think she was horrified and angry and went straight to her mother to scream about her lying and never telling her. Good catch about the timeline though. Can you imagine? Her father finds out he’s been lied to , betrayed and in the midst of a whole new set of murders connecting to the original killers who fathered his first child, slept with his wife? Yes, he sucked as a dad after that and abandoned Sam and his bio child but imagine what he thought every time he looked at her. No wonder he ran. Selfish, but easier to get away from all of it. I don’t doubt that instead of apologising and trying to help her daughter Sam’s mother blamed her for the breakup and the struggle she now faced as a single mother. After all, why didn’t their mother immediately return when Tara nearly died? She let Sam get a bad reputation at school and with the police rather than explain the trauma Sam had faced finding out her bio dad in the middle of another murder spree by teens not much older than her, the age her own dad had been. Sam would have been scared, ashamed, guilty , worried she could be like him, worried others would find out and she’d never live it down. She couldn’t even tell her sister before she left and explain because she thought her sister my hate her if she knew, might turn against her and blame her for the abandonment of their father. It’s a sad lonely position for a 13 year old who didn’t seem to get any help to actually deal with it.
I think the new films have done a disservice with regard to the world being impacted by the Scream/Stab killings. The original trilogy was meta in the sense of the killings were sensationalized. The movies afterwards deal with it in such a weird way. Like the kids in Woodsboro are sooooooo bored with the whole thing? Five they don't even realize it's the OG home where killings happened? Come on. Go to Salem Massachusetts, they have a sign and historical designation for every single witch trial related thing. I think the movies need to, especially if they want to claim they're the most meta and analytical horror, address the public spectacle these mass murders would be. Gale literally has a morning show in the US and they act like some copy cat killer is only a local story and only interesting among crazy fans of a bad "Stab" franchise.
Christina has a lot of explaining to do on part 7 and they should bring back Stu and his sister Lesley. I’m sure Stu has a kid that is close to Sam in age
Sadly, the Stu plot may not happen.Stu is dead from getting electrocuted by the TV. Another thing is that he didn't have a kid though. But he did have a nephew Vince, who is Leslie's son.
I question this why is Sam Billy's kid she is 13 when she found out she would've been 15 during scream 4 1996 thirteen years is 2009 not 2011 bad math even if it was late 1996 she would've been 14 to 15 in scream 4 not 13 this does need to be fix or at least say she found out 2 years before scream 4
I'm new to your channel so I don't really follow when you say you're doing a "novelization" of this franchise. Do you mean you're writing fan fiction? I mean, it is good. You are a very good writer, but unless you're actually contracted by the owners of this franchise to make a novelization, you're actually just writing fan fiction.
This was OUTSTANDING. Some things I noticed in his writing.
-Woodsboro in meltdown and judging Sidney which also adds to why she never wants to return.
-The Mayor clearly blames Gale for the murders, which also explains why she wanted to leave Woodsboro.
-The whole Boogeyman angle with Billy being some sort of legend amongst the kids of Woodsboro was amazing
The angry woodsborow goes into scream 5 too. It’s short and easy to miss, but when Judy drives by a crowd of people and news reporters, you can hear someone yell to Judy’s passing car “you suck!”
@@sketchtheparadigmyork1217 no,i never heard it neither there is something like that in the scene where she drives
@@sketchtheparadigmyork1217 Oh really? I'll have to see it.
I like the idea of Woodsboro seeing Billy how Haddonfield sees Michael, Springwood sees Freddy, Crystal Lake sees Jason and so on. He was the original Ghostface, him and Stu were 2 of the more vicious killers with their gutting, they inspired multiple copycats after their deaths, they, apart from Jill came the closest to killing Sidney, Billy killing Maureen set everything off and so on.
@@Xehanort10 I think it may be so. You have to mean exploring the effect he had on the town but I think it was looked at.
Sam Carpenter was only three years behind Jill Roberts during the events of S4. They must have crossed paths in school at some point. It would be interesting to know what Sam was going through during the events of S4.
Lol y'all know this wouldn't be no Sam carpenter if Wes craven was still here
Think Jill was 17/18 so Jill was likely a senior while Sam would have likely been in middle school. They’d be 4 years apart.
They probably would have interacted briefly. Jill would be still under that ‘good quiet girl’ guise while Sam I assume before she learned her true heritage had a normal childhood. Would be interesting to see how they’d interact with their personalities.
@@Nicholas_Chen_ did you know every freshmen when you was a senior?
It was confirmed in Scream 6 that Kirby and Sam crossed paths and were friends.
Making Billy a legend amongst the kids and teens in Woodsboro may be one of the best things I've ever read about this franchise. Make this canon paramount
Actually it’s quite disgusting glamourizing a mentally ill serial killer and making his actions something of idolatry among young people.
I don't think Hollywood made a Stab movie based on the events of 4 being that Sidney threaten to sue if her story being used for a Stab movie.
Evidently they did, because in scream 5 when they are all sitting at mindy & Chad's, mindy is explaining requel rules, Wes says " my mom is a character is one of them" & mindy says " no care cares about the sequels wes, your safe. But with randy being our uncle, we are probably screwed"
Anyone else love his writing? I’m not great with books but his work is so engaging
Is it out already?! Where can you read it?
@@freddiemay2742 wait this is gonna be a book? Bruh I need to pay more attention in the beginning!!!
The compassion beyond the mask has for this franchise is amazing to see. I’m excited for his novelisations and I’m hoping paramount declare them canon
I don’t know about anyone else, but the mayors speech made me want to cheer. Fantastic writing once again
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I love when you get into Sam's head, and shows just how great her character is being an 'anti-Ghostface' - born from Ghostface but as a final girl. Sam as a character is so interesting and has such potential especially with the identity and mental health angle which is very modern. It is unfortunate that Sam has to learn this at such an young age of 13 and this would undoubtedly fuck any sane people up mentally and cause severe issues, like all the problems we see Sam having in Scream 5 and she even mentioned for one period she 'changed and taking every drug i can get my hands on' and I would love to hear what sort of mental illness you think Sam has.
Loved this video and how you written Sam's experience and the horrifying truth of learning Billy Loomis was her father
That last part is way more relatable than I'd like to admit - I think any person with family like that might question their own ability to potentially end up the same way.
I’d read a full book of your work no joke man , I loved this so much , gave so much context to Sams later thoughts and feelings in Scream 2022 towards her father
where can i read?
I love this! I think her realizing who her dad was through the anger and fear of the townspeople really highlights and explains her struggle to cope with it.
I would say that Sam reading the name Sidney in the diary would trigger a wild sense of curiosity in her as I believe Sidney would have been a someone she had heard of by age 13 and new vaguely about. Maybe because of the 7 stab films Billy loomis name hasn’t been spoken in the town much since and since he’s only featured in stab 1 we can say chalk it up to him being not as important in the fan base because of the 6 other stab films and the fact there are so many killers in that franchise already. So maybe she hadn’t heard of him. But I would say she gets very intrigued by the fact she keeps seeing the name Sidney in her mothers diary’s. No really knowing if it’s the famous Sidney from her town or just another Sidney her mom went to school with. I’d say this does not supersede the information that her father isn’t her father. So she’s wrapped up in that but I’d say very shortly after she starts to really wonder who this Sidney is based purely off the fact that she knows that name. Everyone does. What a weird coincidence. Did my real dad date a celebrity in high school?!!! Sam then heard Billy’s name from the crowed like in your story. It clicks…”wait no, what? Why is my dads name being brought up right now how random.” Somthing in her gut tells her it’s not good at all. It’s not a coincidence. She does some online research and funded old articles and that Billy has a whole fan base online. She’s goes into denial and uses drugs. The drugs and her paranoia of her bloodline make her hallucinate. And she sees visions of Billy as a 17 year old kid because that’s all she’s every seen of him.
it is very cool and very interesting how you novelize this! you never see this kind of stuff in the movies because they usually focus on the 'action' but this truely makes it even more realistic! it's always the aftermath of the crime that hits home hard for people truely. Thanks for posting! ☺
Oh, I love reading official horror movie novelizations, you get more of story and backstory in them.
Imagine Sam mother was Ghostface? Her and Sam don't get along and we know she's a bad mother not caring to check on her daughters who been involved in a murder spree and Tara don't seem to have a close relationship with their mother either.
she's also an alcoholic
Christina loved Billy so...
That be interesting a mother vs daughters concept and it be a parallel to Billy's mother being Ghostface but what would be her motive? Sam destroyed their family and took Tara with her and this will come back to being about Billy like in every movie.
Sam said that after Cristina (Sam's mom) cut all ties with her, Tara too, cut all ties with Cristina because Cristina didn't love Sam anymore.
Look at you becoming the male Gail Weathers!!!! I wanna read!!!
Once you have done novelising the scream franchise I would love a link to download and read it. Sounds interesting and as always a fascinating video Beyond the Mask
Once Radio Silence’s trilogy is finished (if that’s what it’s going to be or if VI is the last one) I will be incredibly excited to read these novelizations. I feel like you’re really going to flesh everything out in the lore that we miss between movies, which looks totally awesome based on this video
You are awesome!! I was washing the dishes and listening to u and really enjoyed my time ♥️ tnx! Cant wait for more
It is crazy how life imitates life like you saying in that one part and mickey was saying in scream two lol. Billy and Stu did these crazy things had some crazy plans maybe even had diaries or notebooks or videos of their planning or expressing how they feeling lol. And they go on a murder spree that went viral and years later its like a anniversary like someone else affected by those events now they have to don the mask and do their on spree sounds familiar especially during that time the original came out. It was just a year or two later with the coloUmbine thing happened and the similarities between those two and Billy and Stu is a lot lol. Their spree inspired others and we've had so many since then that's our world but in scream world they're like them lol. They've inspired all the other movies to happen lol. So crazy how many crazy people there are out there lol
Well kirby and sam were friends in high school as stated in scream 6 which means she would have known jill roberts.
umm you know the carpenter sisters are supposed to be latinas and not white that been said they already have a very caucasian last name being carpenter because of sam stepdad, therefore i don’t think cristina would have thompson as her last name it just doesn’t make sense since your trying to build up lore here 🙄
The original plot of Scream 3 was stu macher came back to build a entire army of ghostfaces . My theory ; in Scream 6 , the stab movies has literally developed a cult and now their killing off the survivors .
OK I want to hear more of that
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You ever wonder if Sam hears Billy as Luke Wilson's voice?
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This is cannon to me
I wonder if Billy would’ve killed Sam’s mom had he known she was pregnant.
Doubt it cause the whole pregnancy was a lazy retcon.
I suspect he would have. As a teenage boy--barely an adult--he likely wouldn't want to deal with a child or child support. His particular mentality isn't that which takes responsibility for his actions.
You are so awesome and brilliant with all your backstory.. I love your channel..
I don’t think sam would take her time to digest the journal at 13 you make irrational decisions and I doubt that she wouldn’t know who Billy Loomis was adults may not have talked about those events but kids definitely would and stab is a big franchise and by this time Charlie would have thrown 2 stabathons even if she couldn’t go to then I’m pretty sure word would have spread and kids in middle school at the time would have heard and thrown there version of one and when I was around that age everyone was getting into horror movies pretty sure kids from a town where a horror movie takes place would interest them
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I love this!
But if Sam was born in 1997 (presumably) and she was 13 when she found out, wouldn´t she have discovered this in 2010?
Good point. If the events of scream happened in later 1996 she wouldn’t have been born til 1997!
Omg I am here just to listen to you talk lol ❤
Sam already knew Jill at scream4, that's a fact. And if Sam was the head behind Jill and Charlie's plan, Sam at that time already knew that she was Billy's daughter and was a loomis, and after the scream4 event, Sam disappeared for 5 years, that's strange!
this is how they should go ab their background as well as kirbys!
Jill has become one of my favorite killers.
Originally I didn't like her much.
Yeah she's the only 1 I would love to return her character has alot more to offer
Maybe something happened at this timeline, that will coming back to haunted her in the next movie.
I always had a theory that Sam was at the stab-a-thon in scream 4. She was a teen at the time in school
With the victims of the 4th movie so it makes sense she may have been invited to that party.
I'd love to get my hands on these Scream books you'd written. Where can I find them?
Where can I buy your book?
If I’m not mistaken, Sam said she discovered the diary around Christmas?
Okay it just hit me, if Sam had taken her actual father’s last name then she would be Sam Loomis 😳
It think that was the hint
I noticed On IMDb they may of given away a huge spoiler on the cast line up they have the actor Max Laferriere cast has Ghostface ! Check it out
They also do that. It’s always someone is the body double in the costume not an actor who gets revealed as ghost face.
4:44 @sistapam had a really good and „sense-making" theory: When Sidney bumps into Billy after he is released in school, there were two girls who immediately left when they saw him and Sidney,maybe the one girl who says “Chrissy, wait up!"is Gaby, could “Chrissy" be a nickname for “Christina Thompson Carpenter", maybe she is just took a pregnancy test in the bathroom and is running away from her friend and also doesn't want Billy to hear them, bc Sam was born in May/July 1997, which means that Cristina was pregnant during the events of the first movie (September 1996), this only makes a lot of sense
damn i thought it started in 1996
Her last name would’ve probably been of Hispanic descent tbh
I’m pretty sure Sam’s mom is Latina, since Sam clearly is. So shouldn’t her last name reflect that?
Sam and Tara are biracial (White and Latina). Their mother is obviously Latina as both of them are of that ethnic background and that is the only parent they share biologically. Billy is white so Sam is half white.
But since their last name is Carpenter it implies their mother took the name of Tara’s bio dad in their marriage. So it’s safe to assume that Tara’s bio dad is also a white man, since the Carpenter last name is of French/English origin and because both daughters have the same skin tone.
We can also safely assume the bio dad of Tara is white because the dude thought he was Sam’s bio dad for a long time, until Sam found the diary. If he was a black or Asian man don’t you think he would’ve noticed “hey my supposed daughter Sam doesn’t look black or Asian at all, yet my other daughter Tara does.”
I guess Tara and Sam’s mom just has a type for white boys 😂
@@wesstewart2677 I took the question to refer to “Thompson “ and not “Carpenter” but I could be wrong.
No one mentioned her in scream 2022..
Dang that was deep
It interesting and I love the part where the town's people are in front of the police station,but you do know it's not real lol?Sam said herself that she found the diary in the attic and she ofcourse already knew who Billy was and immediately went to her mom to tell her the truth,that'sit.But I do believe that Jill's AND CHARLIE'S( he's overlooked to much by this point) killing spree did affect Sam,opening a wound in her and realizing that no one would have died in the 4th or every other killing spree if it wasn't for her father,that her dad is much as responsible for the new deaths and every other one after the original murders just as much as the killers after them.She was then scared in the 4th killing spree when it gave a thought and the fear of becoming like him,or that there would be more victims. Plus if we go by the book,Sam was 14 in scream 4 so she already knew who billy is
I’m telling y’all tara is the Roman of this series she’s been suspicious since the opening scene
I always suspected Tara was one of the killers as well, she was always looking at Sam weirdly
That literally makes no sense when you take into an account the opening of 5. Why would Tara let herself be attacked in the opening when
1.) no one is around to see her get attacked so she would have no reason to throw away suspicion of herself from someone else like Jill did when Charlie sliced her. Or Ritchie when amber sliced his arm in the hospital.
2.) once again, the hospital sequence. We see her try to call for help before Ritchie shows up and then amber in the Ghostface costume does, so that whole attack in the hospital where Tara is pleading for her life and crawling…who would she be acting innocent for in that scene? Up until Sam and Dewey show up, Amber and Ritchie (the 2 Ghostface’s) are the only ones with her. If she is Ghostface why is she keeping up the persona in front of the other two people who are Ghostface? Who is she doing that for, the audience?
Also the idea Tara is Ghostface hinges on the idea that she was like:
“Ayo, Ritchie and amber, I need y’all to do a murder spree for me, y’all are gonna completely destroy my body with a knife but not enough to kill just enough to get me barely walking, we’re then gonna have the final showdown at the og macher house, where the two of you are going to die at the hands of me and my sister. And I get to be the star of the sequel 😊 while the both of you lay dead in caskets somewhere”
@@wesstewart2677 id counter argument that seeing as they said the "roman" of this series that shes doing a jill roberts level torture of herself in those scenes to make it as believable as possible. we've already seen billy, stu, and jill all stab themselves in the climaxes of their movies to be able to pass as victims of the massacre. also her being attacked needed to happen as the goal was to lure in sam to kill her and the only reason she came back to woodsboro was specifically because a serial killer attacked and nearly killed her sister. also we already done seen sydney call out amber faking being a victim just from looking at her performance at the house so i could see dewey calling that shit out if they faked it on the phone. i highly doubt amber murked every person in a hospital so there was also the chance another person came in to see this happen as well which gives the ring leader more saftey from being suspected if they did.
a side note as well. i dislike your take on your second comment. the plan for tara was to jus kill her sister. the other 2 wanted the stab franchise to get more irl scripts again, thats exactly billy and stu with roman. roman wanted his mom dead, billy and stu fucked it up and killed more after it was done. so he stepped in to cut the loose ends that effected him ( sydney for living and him having to be stuck directing a sequel movie to her life) we already saw amber and ritchie fuck it up by involving the legacy characters into it when they could have been left out and failed to kill their prime target. she didnt know the plot of the movie when making her plans no one in this series does, so why assume she would know shed have a sequel and her 2 accomplices are dead? it just comes off as really devaluing of someone just trying to have fun and theorize on the next killer. for all we know its another roman situation where he introduced that film, never sees the final girl till the end and is somehow even more connected into the story without ever being mentioned or seen before that movie. id take tara as killer over another scream 3.
@@LionWithAGun yeah no offense. All of that just sounds like a whole amount of cope.
I’m sorry but you would really need to throw any and all logic out the fucking window to justify Tara also being an accomplice to Richie and amber.
I saw this in another TH-cam channel I believe the name was critical Overlord
She's The Most Interesting Ghostface Of The Lot Jill Roberts
Beyond the mask is Wes craven from beyond the grave trying to save his franchise
6:09 The movie will be more interesting if somehow Sam's mother appear and played by Heather Langenkamp.
I'm thinking back to Sams discussion about how Sam found out who her real father is telling mom and dad found out and left. I'm trying to remember did she say what happened to her mom or dad. Like i van see the dad being really mad and lots of true crime stories ends with the dad going back and killing the mom and even rest of family but other ones and movies has them doing just the person who wronged them the target and even trying to make it look like a accident lol. Maybe he had to go to a hospital or something but now he's out or got out last year he's still pissed and going after Sam and even tara. Who knows maybe both aren't his daighters. Plus he's been snapped so some things won't make sense won't be thinking straight lol. So it might be her dad lol. Maybe her mom. Maybe the dad left and he's gone but maybe the mom has Bern wanting revenge so she's doing this but I doubt it lol. Maybe they doing like happy death day to u and it'll be both of them lol. Even less likely I think though lol. But funny enough that's what Stu said though. I think its her father lol. Why can't they find her pops lol?
Can you do a theory on Charlie Walker possibly leaving a cameo for the future/ future ghostfaces kinda like Randy Meeks did for a cameo in 3
Do we have any idea what ever happened to Tara’s father after he left?
I think he'll be one of the killers in 6 or 7
I knew it was Jill when she watched Sidney fight ghostface and just sat on the stairs
I like your take on it but I personally don’t think it would’ve happened that way. I don’t think Sam’s mother was in love with Billy I think she thought he was hot and a hook up was exciting. I think Sam probably read the diary dates to around when she was conceived and when she read about Billy Loomis she knew exactly who he was. A small town of that size a 13 year old is going to have heard the gruesome story in school, at sleepovers etc because that was a huge killing spree, serial killers and her parents even went to the same school as the kids involved. (I lived in an area of a city where children were murdered in the woods near the closest park the children all played in. By the time I was about 5, years after the murders the kids called it Murder woods instead of it’s real name) As soon as she read he was her father I think she was horrified and angry and went straight to her mother to scream about her lying and never telling her.
Good catch about the timeline though. Can you imagine? Her father finds out he’s been lied to , betrayed and in the midst of a whole new set of murders connecting to the original killers who fathered his first child, slept with his wife? Yes, he sucked as a dad after that and abandoned Sam and his bio child but imagine what he thought every time he looked at her. No wonder he ran. Selfish, but easier to get away from all of it. I don’t doubt that instead of apologising and trying to help her daughter Sam’s mother blamed her for the breakup and the struggle she now faced as a single mother. After all, why didn’t their mother immediately return when Tara nearly died? She let Sam get a bad reputation at school and with the police rather than explain the trauma Sam had faced finding out her bio dad in the middle of another murder spree by teens not much older than her, the age her own dad had been. Sam would have been scared, ashamed, guilty , worried she could be like him, worried others would find out and she’d never live it down. She couldn’t even tell her sister before she left and explain because she thought her sister my hate her if she knew, might turn against her and blame her for the abandonment of their father. It’s a sad lonely position for a 13 year old who didn’t seem to get any help to actually deal with it.
You could honestly write a Scream lore book! Haha No but seriously!
Killed loads of people at a farm house, when did this happen?
Jill Roberts her mother kite Roberts Maureen Prescott sister ❤🎉
I think the new films have done a disservice with regard to the world being impacted by the Scream/Stab killings. The original trilogy was meta in the sense of the killings were sensationalized. The movies afterwards deal with it in such a weird way. Like the kids in Woodsboro are sooooooo bored with the whole thing? Five they don't even realize it's the OG home where killings happened? Come on. Go to Salem Massachusetts, they have a sign and historical designation for every single witch trial related thing. I think the movies need to, especially if they want to claim they're the most meta and analytical horror, address the public spectacle these mass murders would be. Gale literally has a morning show in the US and they act like some copy cat killer is only a local story and only interesting among crazy fans of a bad "Stab" franchise.
Christina has a lot of explaining to do on part 7 and they should bring back Stu and his sister Lesley. I’m sure Stu has a kid that is close to Sam in age
Sadly, the Stu plot may not happen.Stu is dead from getting electrocuted by the TV. Another thing is that he didn't have a kid though. But he did have a nephew Vince, who is Leslie's son.
Can you write like a 3000 page novel of all the movies with your add ons 🙏🏻
Where can I get that novel?
3:16 Typo on the word “disturbing” 🤓
I question this why is Sam Billy's kid she is 13 when she found out she would've been 15 during scream 4 1996 thirteen years is 2009 not 2011 bad math even if it was late 1996 she would've been 14 to 15 in scream 4 not 13 this does need to be fix or at least say she found out 2 years before scream 4
But aren't kirby and Sam like around the same age
No. In the timeline for Scream VI, Kirby would be either 29 or 30 and Samantha would be 25 or 26.
christina’s maiden name would definitely not be a white name💀
I'm new to your channel so I don't really follow when you say you're doing a "novelization" of this franchise. Do you mean you're writing fan fiction? I mean, it is good. You are a very good writer, but unless you're actually contracted by the owners of this franchise to make a novelization, you're actually just writing fan fiction.
ah, the typical blame the movies speech.
Billy looms he is gay he lover with stu he is gay two🎉❤ 4:17
Is English not your first language? Or are you just from West Virginia?
Predictable Jill was the worst killer.
Not really. Out of all the other killers she was the closest to getting away with it
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