It's Over, Klaasje - Therapist Plays Disco Elysium: Part 33
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Seeing a lot of discussion about the decision at the end here. Honestly, I just didn't know what a station call is...so I thought the choice was either set her free or arrest her. I thought arresting her would make her safer, but many people have pointed out that her arrest leads to her death. I didn't know that going in because I dont have as deep knowledge about the Moralintern as those who have played more or finished the game. If I had known, I would have chosen the station call in that case. Lesson learned!
Spoilers, why you read them? Do as your moral compass and avaliable information tell you. I would've thought so as well - that it'll make her safer / mititgate the 'flight risk'. I even cheered you on ('c'mon, do it, do it, goddamit!') as I went for a different route and wanted to see what happens here. People just can't shut up sometimes.
You still wouldn't have known she would for sure die because you can't look into the future. Which is kind of like, why this decision and so many others in life are hard. I think you did well considering your limited informational base.
Honestly, I believe people may have gone a bit over the line in the comments section this time, with all the spoilers and assumptions. That decision is indeed one big sensible point in the community, but we can't expect you to know these bits of information that'll come in due time. It's all the context that makes them powerful. Heck, even if you knew, you're clearly acting from a role-playing perspective, and the game accounts for it.
Hope we didn't break some of your peace of mind, as you're the one experiencing the game first hand. Needless to say, it has been a special journey for us too, although in a different way. Eager to see the next one :)
Don't overthink it! It's alright. Station call slip is a powerless gesture against a person who's already a fugitive with a fake name, at this point might as well let her go. You did what you should have according to your RP!
@supertavio2 I'll be honest, it does get to me. It feels like my decisions in the game get taken for my real beliefs or professional conduct too easily. I'm just playing a game here, choosing things that I think will lead to interesting discussion. But I keep seeing people infer I am actually cruel or insensitive. It's especially hurtful when it's assumed that this carries into my real life work as a therapist, where my sense of empathy and sensitivity are so carefully crafted and important to me. To see them called into question because of misunderstandings over fictional characters is really making me consider if I want to continue with this.
Your decision here is final. Its one of the most debated decisions among the game's fans. But don't let any critical comments bother you here. Its one of the most difficult decisions in the game. Both options seem wrong.
She's a criminal who is proven to lie and throw anyone under the bus to save her own hide. If we're meant to uphold the law whatsoever, she deserves arrest. There's definitely a bigger discussion to be had about if the justice system present is effective in deterring and policing crime, but it's hard for me to see a 'both options are wrong' situation when it comes to Klaasje's arrest.
@@varsoonhks3211I mean, with what you know at that point, sure it is the right decision, the problem would come from the later shivers check, but if you want to play as your character that doesn’t have that kind of knowledge it probably would seem for the best (I still hold that the citation leaves your hands clean in both senses).
Overcompensating for the earlier compromise is the reason why arresting her felt wrong i guess.
But then, Klaasje giving up Ruby like that was the final blow that made me arrest her. She lost all grace at that moment.
In the end, it's absolutely true that she is not the murderer, and no one is saying otherwise. The job is to get the murderer. Moreover, she wasn't lying when she said she made the call, making her the reason the case is being investigated, and she did so because she actually loved the victim. She lies, and she does what she can to protect herself but she put herself open to massive risk. The shiver's check just seals the deal for me. I've played multiple games and I could not bring myself to arrest her in any of them.
Meanwhile the "Eighth Hardy Boy" ain't no saint. I can feel bad about her too, but she's way worse. I don't feel bad about number Eight being tossed under the bus.
I read this and hear it as volition talking. Idk if that was on purpose but damn, fantastic.
Hypnogamma is just a 3 pack of mag! you coulda saved .20 real
I've seen this catch out other content creators as well
euro brady confirmed not a money engineer :despair:
I was looking for this comment - I was like, "Why didn't he even read the other options?" haha
It costs the same amount of skill points to forget thoughts and open slots. You had 4 slots to open. Though I agree about forgetting Superstar Cop for personal narrative reasons.
This was legitimately one of the hardest boss battles I've had to prepare for. It aint easy being a COP. Episode 34 is up on the archive for patreon supporters, coming to YT soon. Enjoy!
Oh man I love your work but your whole opinion on her at the end felt a bit demeaning.
Sometimes drugs bring out paranoia and fear in people. Sometimes people take drugs because their lives are full of paranoia and fear already.
The part about her catastrophizing you mean? I feel I'm lacking information about how true her paranoia might be is all. It's especially hard because she has been misleading to this point, so it's not out of the question to think she is playing up the fear to avoid consequences. I genuinely don't know what this decision will mean for her though, so I could be wrong.
I hope you got to see the video I commented on in #31. Just the first few minutes will really have you rolling like major Deja Vu. He also has another video on the book that I HIGHLY recommend when your playthrough finishes. It adds SO much depth to the world building around the pale, mentions the Book version of Harry, and really recontextualizes the entire game in a very meaningful way that I think everyone will appreciate.
this episode was very sad lol. She may suffer. But the future may shine brightly yet, for others, with less harm to others. I prefer sparing her.
@@eurobrady Thats fair. I think I took it a bit personally. Been homeless been a drug addict. Very used to not being taken seriously because of it. I won't comment on the exact story circumstances here but the way you phrased it really came off pretty judgemental. Sort of disappointed me from an addiction counsellor
When it's cold and dark outside... When kim is got to sleep... When you can't sleep because all of those thoughts...
Just call *the number* on the phone...
oh... ya, this
I watched several playthroughs, but i think this is the first time i saw anyone arrest her. Good job, really, going with the roleplay there
I need a hype man like Brady is to Frittte girl. He just 200% believes in her and her untapped potential and I'm here for it
Oh, wow, the skills all getting reverse-compromised like that… very powerful. We can’t read her. We can’t TRUST HER. She might have done EVERYTHING. She MUST have done everything.
The only one that really overcompensates is drama, volition is pretty reasonable.
@@Medivh9 Volition? Try the route where you don’t arrest her. Volition is the most paranoid.
@@dodiswatchbobobo And rightfully so, without knowing the further context it all points towards arresting her being the right decision, as I have repeated multiple times over this comment section one more lie wouldn’t be much to her, so it is not surprising he doesn’t quite believe her.
@@Medivh9I guess I just didn’t find it very convincing. Especially when Volition starts saying Kim is comprised.
@@dodiswatchbobobo That might be a bit too far, especially considering Kim’s inclination (is it possible to know it by this point?), the basis for the arrest was sound yet it seems volition was too strong willed and refused to back down? I don’t know if I would classify it as adding flair, but it is quite close.
Arresting Klaasje? Now Brady has achieved the ultimate moralist playtrough!
Btw. I'm glad that he has high shiver skills 😁
“- It may be a mistake to let her go.
- Mercy is never a complete mistake”
Remember the ledger. Pain, still locked inside…
@@ixian_technocratoh you can only equip it after you find the thing
@@birdup1_2 Didn't he already find the thing? I swear he went down the white mourning path with it or whatever.
@@TomSketchit I don't remember exactly but I think he did. It's context sensitive though and can unlock and contribute to other thoughts too. White Mourning isn't the only thing you can get out of it.
While the basis for the arrest is obviously valid, the way the voices practically make her actions personal to _you_ says a lot. Even more so that the player actually believes it and ends up hating her as well. Fascinating.
Edit: btw I’m commenting from the perspective of many different players, not Brady specifically. It’s pretty clear he does not hate her. This is more about the game design than anything else tbh
"Devil woman" lmao.
I don't think he ended up hating her lol
@@TylertheFancy I meant the general immediate takeaway I see from people. I’ll edit my comment so that’s more clear
I vividly remember my moment when the choice to arrest her came, and I realized that all the voices were practically rabid with anger. I took a step back and reexamined all she told me. At that point, I just couldn't-up until that decision, I was fully prepared to, but when I heard the vitriol in Volition and Drama's voices, I couldn't do it.
1:50 that payphone... so much pain coming from that payphone.
I was so ready
PLEASE use the payphone Brady hahaha
Yaasss, we need more replies under that
I hear that pain...
hmm yes,
Your skill choices at the beginning of this all, has lead to the most interesting playthrough. like starting out feels the best archetype to how his past is let known... and skills you have picked feel like he woke up one day from the bottom an just started on the path of developing other sides of himself. but it's hard and he fails but is building himself with every interaction. cool stuff man. disco even.
Wow, having played out that convo with klaasje differently, hearing her theory on what happened in the murder is wild.
i had no idea she would say that- wow.
@@user-jq1mg2mz7o Me neither. So fucking tragic
Another fantastic episode as usual, but I must disagree with the suggestion that Klaasje is catastrophizing her fate if you arrest her. I think there is enough in the game to suggest that her years in corporate espionage have clued her in to exactly what happens to burned spies in this position, and she is smart and composed enough to understand that that is what lies at the end of the road for her as well if she is processed within a Moralintern facility. Not saying that your decision is wrong (it's a difficult one for sure), but we all have to justify our morally gray choices somehow hahaha
Just to add...the Coalition government runs the world...and the corporations run the Coalition government. If she riled them up enough, they could unquestionably have her disappeared. Especially in a poor, forgotten corner of the world like Revachol. Just refer to the end of the centrist vision quest (only extremely minor spoilers here) for an example of what the Moralintern is capable of and how they operate.
Yeah, I would agree on that. Her time in espionage will definitely have taught her what would happen to her if she gets busted, so I think her belief that she may lose her life over this is reasonable.
Tho it is also reasonable for Harry to believe that this won't happen, especially in this run. He still seems to be a little naive on how things work in this world, especially since he is very non-political. If he went full on communist-revolutionary for example I think he wouldn't have arrested her. For one because he wouldn't trust the Moralintern, but also because Titus asked him.
@@estugon It definitely worked for the roleplay. I guess it was somewhat unclear to me if it was Brady or Harry working through those thoughts, but either way I would push back on the veracity of them. Totally reasonable for Harry to be naive or compensatory about it though.
I have played this game 5 times and NEVER got that date of birth generator thought. This game is nuts
It's actually an extremely good thought, since it lowers all passives for the physique skills. Making it almost like getting 6 points for the price of 1. I consider it a must get for anyone trying to min-max.
around 13:00 "Even if those values lead them astray-"
Have Titus' values even led him astray?
This is something I've noticed a lot of people who play Disco Elysium tend to tune out pretty quickly, and it's that the RCM are *not* like the police as we think of them in western culture. Whatever your opinion - positive or negative - of the police as you know them where you live is, the RCM is openly and explicitly a tool of foreign occupation. Specifically, a foreign occupier that does not represent the best interests of the people of Revachol at all, and whose goals include keeping Revachol deliberately impoverished to use for financial colonization and prevent another possible revolution. Kim can wax poetic all he wants about whether it was the people or the powers of the Moralintern that formed the RCM, but the truth is it could be shut down in a heartbeat if the Moralintern were to decide to.
I would argue it's very legitimate for someone (especially someone from an 'orphan district' the RCM have not policed in decades) to denounce the Moralintern and RCM as authorities that the people of Revachol should not submit to. The Union has plenty wrong with it, but as shown by your inability to arrest the Hardy Boys they have physical force to act as the police here, and as Kim himself says, the people here prefer being policed by the Union. What makes the RCM more 'legitimate' police than the Hardy Boys?
Couldn't agree more. Many of us can't help but play the game from a modern developed western lens, but it's important to remember it was predominantly written and designed by Estonians who had many other places as inspiration that are pretty well outside that wheelhouse.
Hardy Boys are pretty much an early equivalent of a red guard militia squad, like we had at the beginning of Russian revolution.
They do have some degree of monopoly on violence, they are backed by the population and the local ruling organisation, and they have pretty good reasons to consider themselves legitimate.
After all, you really are just an attack dog on a chain held by the people that bombed the city to shit and are currently robbing it.
@@stevenstulock1217 the game was inspired by american crime dramas, including but not limited to true detective and twin peaks. Let's say that the foreign occupation lens is true; the coalition government practically runs the world at this point. The revolution happened 50 years ago, and theres plenty of people in martainaise who are NOT communists or anarchists, so the remaining population of nationalists and fascists in martainaise actually RESPECTS the RCM simply BECAUSE they are an authority figure. They trust the moralintern will protect them from foreigners themselves. you are MAD and LOST.
It's not completely agreed upon if the RCM is a tool of the Moralintern, or a compromise between them and the people of Revocol. Although I haven't read it, there's a sequel novel by the game's writer and I believe it features the RCM fronting the revolution for Revocolian independence.
Is there any example in the game's text of the RCM siding with the foreign occupiers against the people of Revachol? The detectives on this case are Revocholians. Kim calls himself a proud Revocholian. Is he (or the main character, or any other RCM) nonetheless making decisions that disadvantage citizens of Revachol, for the benefit of the Moralintern? Maybe you'd say extraditing a fugitive. Though when that happens IRL it's not usually framed as one country selling out its citizens for the sake of foreign interests, and it's not like we've been apologists for industrial spies before meeting Klaasje
"whose goals include keeping Revachol deliberately impoverished to use for financial colonization"
Where are you getting this from? Is it in the text? How is this financial colonization implemented? How is the Moralintern enforcing impoverishment? There are no taxes in Revachol, for one
"What makes the RCM more 'legitimate' police than the Hardy Boys?"
The RCM has procedures and responsibilities. On the first night Kim tells us about various measures to keep the RCM accountable. They screen and train their officers and act as an institution with an exposed face to the public, the judicial system, and the local government.
The Hardy boys don't see themselves as having the responsibility of, say, disposing of a corpse strung out in public. In fact they're the ones who put it there, and then they mock the public servants who sent to clean up their mess when the locals must sneak around them to get a corpse cleaned up. The Union seemingly doesn't realize or care that even uninvolved locals like Sylvie and Smoker on the Balcony were sick of the sight and the stench coming from the yard. This is like a group of people claiming to be "the REAL fire dept" but displaying open contempt for anyone who tries to put out a house fire they refuse to act on. We're also told the Union shook down local businesses to fund the strike. That doesn't sound like an accountable institution that takes its responsibilities seriously
"Have Titus' values even led him astray?"
We're not fully there yet, but the Hardie Boys' reckless attitude and loose lips, apparently in service of the values they represent, definitely comes to bite them in the ass. And again it's the RCM who have to deal with the fallout
That high level of volition can become pride. I could never arrest her, and I really, really feel for Ruby. To me, her story is so tragic.
I think the hardest part of watching Brady's playthrough is that it has been a long time, and he forgets many things...
He still remembers A LOT though
Perfectly in character for Harry
"The real boss battle is in my head" is so true lmao
Don’t be afraid to do side stuff. Have fun, goof around, detective work is hard. Take breaks, do non-case stuff.
I never could get myself to arrest klaasje. It still makes me sad but I am glad I get to see how this decision plays out for once
@@ic5889 same for me. For some reason, I believed her right away when she said she’s gonna be dead in prison.
@@SergK86 She's willing to paint others as perpetrators and have them die for her if it means getting out of trouble. No regretti whatever happens to her in prison.
@@Nast33 Exactly. People are willing to overlook how she throws everyone under the bus and ruined peoples' lives at the unnamed Printer company because "Klassje" knows exactly how to manipulate people's emotions.
@@Nast33 She only throws Ruby under the bus when you are threatening to take her in, an action which is strongly implied to lead to her death. It is not the ethical choice of course but I understand why she would make it in the circumstances. I do not truly think that letting the cops believe the union did it is so bad, not only was it their idea but also you were never seriously in a position to arrest titus or his boys in this underpoliced district that they basically run.
Of course, my feelings on the subject are influenced by other beliefs, like being against the death penalty regardless of the crime (and corporate espionage is definitely not the kind of crime that would change my mind) and experiences as a woman feeling intimidated by men and a citizen being intimidated by police.
tldr i dont fault her for lying to the police force that is working for the people who want to kill her and that certainly doesnt deserve a death penalty
>"The moralintern will kill me if you do"
>"... Well it would make sense to arrest her for her safety"
Edit: i think i messed up with this comment, didn't mean to be a hater, i thought it was funny out-of-context, sorry
To be fair that is a very moralist cop way to think about it
@@ic5889Yeah and it was so funny x)
@@ic5889 I mean, she has compromised his own brain to the point that he cant trust himself, so he DEFINITELY doesnt think he should trust anything she might say to evade consequences.
this is why ppl are careful whst they tell therapists
@@thegoodrevbadandyarr4272 yeah i thought the same thing! In context it makes perfect sense. Out of context - still hilarious ahahahah
Just in my own way, the end is reason why I arrest Klaasje if I have the character for it. When her back is against the wall and there is even a chance she might face consequences, she throws everyone under the bus. Which is something she tries multiple times, and it really shows how willing she is to let everyone burn, but her. It is absolutely understandable, but it also explains her so much.
That was a very difficult video to watch. Technically proficient and true to the character you've built, but a horrifying personification of how patient concerns can be overlooked as self induced exaggerations, and how grindset Volition can crush another human being as tasks become a seeing of personal development checkboxes.
I remember a while back you did a video on Volition, and I commented that I'd like to hear your thoughts a little later on. Volition is enraged getting manipulated and eggs the player on to 'win' against a woman whose life is on the line. Volition ia a cold hearted killer who loves you, but you alone.
Say what you will about Klaasje, but I think the way the merc died has got to be one of the most traumatizing things a person can experience. I’d find it hard to hate someone after learning about that, and she’s certainly not wrong to feel afraid for her safety after that. It’s a shame your Harry doesn’t care about anything but getting “revenge” on this “archetype” of a person, but it makes sense from a role play perspective.
Agreed, she's a very tragic character in a situatuon with no good answers. For this Harry it's a situation of extreme displacement. It's not fair to act out his resentments on Klaasje, but he doesn't know where else to put them.
@@eurobrady For me - finding a way to help Harry deal (or “start dealing” more like) with his personal trauma is the ultimate goal of the game. The case is just an instrument, a coping mechanism perhaps… as maybe is the memory loss, who knows?
never been left feeling more stupid than that convo with klaasje 😔
The bit about her catastrophising - she’s a western educated woman with experience in industrial espionage.
You’re an amnesiac alcoholic mess of a cop that’s probably lucky to have finished school.
It’s pretty reasonable to assume she knows what she’s talking about.
ok but what does western have to do with it? and how do we know oranje is west of insolinde
@@RollerOfEyes Western means first world. Means rich and powerful imperialist core.
Oranje in this context is something like modern France.
@@daod8286pretty sure Oranje is supposed to be the Netherlands, "oranje" is dutch for orange, and the dutch flag has orange on it.
She has a reputation for lying and sharing half truths to manipulate… Brady arresting her makes it the definition of “the girl who cried wolf”. Don’t be so condescending.
In the very first dialogue with her there is some line where you ask "Do you really think I could be a cop?" and she answers something like "Don't worry. They make the cop entrance examination so that you cant fail." lmao
Forgetting a thought costs the same as buying a new cabinet slot. Probably not a good idea to forget a Thought just to make room for a new one unless you really want to get rid of it (like, if you don't like the penalty), or your cabinet is maxed out.
praying he sees this
Yeah it was mainly for role playing purposes, since we're now past our compensatory supercop era
@@eurobradysupercop no more.
Psychology aside, you're making a lot of great points about the interaction between the narrative and the gameplay mechanics. I'm very interested in how different mediums approach storytelling and innovations thereof. I often get caught up in the political and lore aspects of this game tho, so you've given me more to think about from a mechanical standpoint.
Don't forget. now that we know there was a gunshot that killed the merc we still have things to check at the real scene of the crime. though you may want to wait for Kim to come back, your call.
I was curious if he'd remember that he gave up on looking into the dead man's mouth after he failed once. At the very least, that Espirit De Corps check that resulted was a fun treat that I hadn't heard before.
So this song goes out to all our homies locked down,
Come on back now, we need you around,
That judge, he doesn't know what he's done,
No, judges never know the things they do -
How could they?
I'm slowly catching up and it just so happens that earlier today I watched the episode in which you talk to Klaasje for the first time. Timing/10
Heh, there was a little bit of cope in Brady's justification. A crack of doubt in there, and a cover. Spies know what happens to spies when they're caught. There is specific information in-game that actually explains flat-out everything about MoralIntern, and what happens to people they acquire. I don't think Brady has a chance of seeing that info though - you have to take a really unintuitive path to it.
After the playthrough, I reeeaaallly recommend reading up on the world. It's incredibly complex and fleshed-out. Also read "A Sacred and Terrible Air" if you get the time.
Spying is a crime for which you should be arrested, no doubt about that, add to that her obviously shady past and obstruction of the investigation you had plenty of reason, so I feel it uncalled for to say that he ‘coped’.
It would be totally different though if he were to know that information and still choose the same. Still letting her walk free leaves a bad taste in the mouth, so the second option was nearly perfect!
@@Medivh9 spying is not a crime (in this game). Idk if you can say her past is “shady” outside of that either, I mean other than one or two things we really don’t know that much lol
@@beyondviolet You may be right, I just do not know wether to trust Klaasje on it since she said it’s not a crime on the national level, or Harry who said it is on the international level in one of the choices, being a spy on itself means you are involved in shady dealings, she was not an intelligence officer, she was committing industrial spionage, if that doesn’t convince you she is most certainly giving you misinformation.
@@Medivh9 I think the fact that Kim didn’t chime in with an “actually 🤓” statement means that she’s probably right. Maybe she did something bad to get into the field in the first place, we don’t know. Even then we don’t have knowledge as to why she’d want to. But someone having a somewhat suspicious background isn’t enough of a justification for an arrest, much less what ends up resulting from that arrest. The only concrete thing is the fact that she lied about certain case details.
@@beyondviolet You are right, I should have added that at the end instead of beginning with it, it was my intention to build up towards the main point, yet it seems that I failed at doing so and should have done the opposite, hope you have a nice day.
It’s amazing how consistently wonderful this play through has been. Each one gives me new things to ponder until the next instalment. I love the thought and care, and hearing the reasoning behind each choice
STERN AND MERCILESS
You did good sire. Now all that's left is to wait for Kim's return and sing karaoke. Impress him with your oceanic soul.
Amazing playthrough, thank you very much for uploading it.
Never lie to Brady 💀
My heart in my mouth as he approached the payphone...
its really interesting to see the klaasje conversation from a diff perspective, when i played i ignored most of harrys subtle misogynistic beliefs because i see that enough irl lmao i dont want to play as a person like that in my downtime, but seeing how that belief impacts harry (and how past wounds evolve into misogyny) is soo so interesting, its so common for people to justify bigotry with past experience, even if the situation doesn't warrant the response (klaasje has her issues, but harry definitely takes it as an emotional attack rather than something professional--kim sees it more as a 'she broke the law, lets take her in', and harry sees it (at least in this roleplay) as way more personal). it happens with men all the time, from slowly calling women or exes curses and it slowly evolving etc etc. really interesting and loved your take on it
I like how the tie telling the thoughts to stop bullying harry about the window earned it another chance.
god, the drugs are +1 to every skill under Phsical or Motorics - the gameplay makes drugs way more powerful than clothing or skill points, more easily. Ugh.
I didn't arrest Klaasje in my first playthrough and actually regret. MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD (even when I'm 2 momths behind, you still havem't gotten to it)....
It's when I got Ruby killed I regret not arresting Klaasje
This playthrough is special, not just a let's play but your own commentary, role play and reasoning is adding so much on top of an absolutely amazing game.
I’ve never been so invested in NC a game play through before. I see this just before I’m about to go out to do some open mic stand up so I’m like I can’t watch it until after.
did you?
Oh man I hate this moment.
Specifically because it seems to bring out the worst in people’s reasoning and makes them act irrational.
Not really talking about you here Brady, more so the commenters.
Just for the context, “I have to arrest her” and “she committed a crime” are absolutely not valid reasons here.
The thought cabinet does work player up into a rage, innit
Klaasje did nothing wrong😢
Did something happen here? Like 50 comments 200 hidden? Did youtube change again?
I love the image of this struggling addict nervously trying on different clothes before having a difficult conversation with a pretty lady
"Lots of people say they've played this game six times and there's dialogue they haven't seen yet in this playthrough". Me, screaming as he doesn't select "Clever retort" to Klassje after never having seen it before.
Yes, magnesium! Become a magnesium based lifeform!
about people being weird about your roleplaying choices and backseat gaming--if it's any reassurance, a lot of people will come and go, it's all about cultivating an audience. the more you stick to your own values and your own goal of videos/this channel, the more the audience will align with that, and people who don't will leave. if you keep playing disco the way you are now, you WILL have a large portion of your audience cheering you on (even if we tend to be a bit quieter than the people who like to complain, if only because we're enjoying what you're making to an extent that we don't feel a need to...comment about it?) hope you keep it up brady but i know the online space is brutal
With the current knowledge you did what you could, I would go for a more mild option having knowledge of what’s to come, but she had lied a lot to you and there is just no way for you to know if it was just one more lie (except for the fear maybe, but that could potentially be attributed to her crimes being brought to light, it wasn’t so).
Wearing the armor during this is crazy lmfaooo
the payphone. use the payphone. it is The Most Important Character Moment In The Whole Entire Game. im not fucking joking.
its a reaction speed check.
Doesn’t doing that kind of things worsen your character? Or you can confront it all before the ending? (Being vague on purpose so that no spoilers are mentioned)
Please stop man. This is not your playthrough and it is not a vital scene. He can see it after he's finished if he wants to look at things he has missed. Youre backseating a game whose strongest attribute is the freedom to do what you want.
@@bluish1318 I agree with you, yet, do you know if Harry is necessarily harmed from the call or if you can change it through your choices? Just curious
@@Medivh9 The call specifically has no impact on the scene you're thinking of. That scene is missable and - in only a very specific playthrough making exact choices - replaced.
@@Taliesin_ Thanks! I just read a post somewhere that said that going to things that reminded you (apricots, church) would have negative consequences (as in not helping him). Again, thanks for clarifying.
The communism thing at the end was a reminder of what the corpse "said" during the autopsy. He said communism killed him, but love did him in.
Of course, that could have just been Harry's imagination. But his imagination has been right on the money a few times...
Well you couldn't have known, but you should exhaust dialogue options. There was another "What *other* option do I have?" that you skimmed over. It would've explained your options.
But your decision is final, and that's why this game is so cool.
The battle of the voices in the presence of Klaasje is the best dynamic in the whole game, even beating out Kim and Harry's dynamic, imo
welp, poor Klaasje
Wonder how he's gonna react to that shivers check in the endgame
I really wouldn’t say poor if that shivers check didn’t exist, she did not deserve death even if she was into shady stuff, and I’m pretty sure obstruction of justice is not rewarded with murder in most places.
@@greekcommie621 I'm gonna be honest I dont have high hopes about his reaction
I wish he would've asked about his other options at least. Writing her a station slip lets you be a cop who serves the law and all while not having the MI ending.
@@ajaxplay8 That’s true, and it’s my go to option considering everything, it allows you to clean your hands off of that and is the only option that would help maintain a clear conscience.
He might have chosen it if he actually knew what it was by selecting the other option. Guess we’ll never know.
you have 2 more hats... BTW
Ahahaha your reaction at 6:42, wonderful.
The thing I love the most is that you can see how conversations are put together in order to try and simulate your baser instincts.
The passive checks at 1:08:12 are you (Angry, betrayed, misogynist Harry) trying to think of a reason to bring her in. The two correct answers for reasons to bring her in require medium Authority and Rhetoric checks, but your fight/flight response (half light) check is easy- and it's just "Fucking *MIND* games, ENOUGH!".
The true Moralist gameplay, wow, first Cuno and know Klaasje. But don’t be discouraged Brady, this game has a point to make, sometimes playing against it makes you feel like “the bad guy”. Your playtrough is the most entertaining and informative I’ve ever seen, I hope you don’t take internet comments to heart and continue to enjoy this one unique masterpiece of a game.
[ELECTROCHEMISTRY]: Do you know what you should-
[INTERNAL BRADY]: NO
When I decided not to arrest kallje my logic was that I knew she didn't kill him, and I was there to solve the murder. If she had killed him she'd have done a better job of covering it up. Informants are more useful out in the field than in cuffs anyway.
27:00 You're asking if you can help support someone's economic situation with six bucks in loose change rattling around in your pockets. Wait until your next paycheck comes in, at least (assuming you still have a job after all this).
Terrifying
Edit: On second thought (my play was probably months before even the hardcore release) I think I might have just given her her passport and told her to scram. Hard to remember. I never got into Ruby's truck or the Pinball area, so didnt hear her murder theory.
While I did choose to arrest her as well, its been a very long time, and I dont remember getting the information that she would be killed if I did (I wound up finding her passport). I also dont really remember my thought process behind it, specifically, but I think if I had it to do over, I probably would have looked for another option.
This is a decision that was yours, so there’s no reason to begrudge you it. Just remember, officers have power, you may have done something wrong-and that’s ok.
1:17:31 😆
I love this series, it has so much new thoughts on this game, that don't come up when playing alone,absolutely magnetic😁
God this playthrough is so amazing. Keep up the great content Brady!
i will just keep posting about that one logic check in conversation with kim, which you will have to look at tomorrow i spose
Love your play through! Can't wait to see your reaction for the karaoke!
Oh interesting, I’ve never arrested Klaasje! Interesting to see what’ll happen
I love that you went there. I could never bring myself to it.
Oh, this is a interesting one. Thank you Brady :)
Fun trivia: the original voice actor for Klaasje was the podcaster Dasha Nekrasova, who is the subject of Charli XCX's new hit "Mean Girls"
Hey don't worry about it, she's smoke and mirrors and willow wisps remember?
Great episode Brady!
1:12:49 HE SAID IT
the payphone. use the payphone brady. maybe later. but use it
Stop backseating
@@bluish1318 Cry
@@bluish1318 It's just that good of a playthrough many would love to hear what Brady thinks of certain scenes in the game, which are doable / achievable with the way Harry is.
Before arresting people it would be good to, you know, check whether their accounts hold any truth to them in comparison to the other evidence at hand... like where the shot came from, what can be found in the secret entrance and what Hardy boys can testify about Ruby's presence etc. I don't hate the fact Klaasje was arrested, but it's frustrating the decision was made on a whim and by abusing power. Not knowing what a station call is was just cherry on the top, lol. :,D Harry truly represents a shit tier detective on this one and I wish he could just make one professional and informed call to redeem himself. Regardless, it's still an awesome playthrough full of valuable insight.
In fairness to Brady (as someone who basically never arrests Klaasje except on a full Moralist/Boring Cop playthrough), at this point in the game where things seem largely unclear and Klaasje has already lied to you, having your options AND Kim both say "she's a flight risk" can give the impression of "oh if I leave this conversation to check what she says and then come back she'll have left".
This is exactly it. For pacing (I want to finish this series someday lol) and it seemingly like the only chance I'd get, I just thought I should finish the encounter.
@@eurobrady My original comment was somewhat more directed at the in-game character Harry, since you play and narrate his story so well. Following the scene unfold I said out loud something along the lines "Oh for f* sake Harry-boy, when do we ever get a real detective out of you huh? You've been bumbling into partial evidence for days and when something tangible comes along the first thing you do is package and ship it to the station." :D I mean, this wasn't exactly out of the character for him. Knowing what is to come it reminds me of that Dark Souls quote "One day you'll stand before its decrepit gate without really knowing why."
I see this episode has sparked plenty conversation, sorry about those spoilers! I wish people kept the specifics to themselves until the playthrough is over. When you continue with the episodes I'm afraid there might be few coming up which will surely stir some people up. Should make an early comment as a reminder to emphasize no spoilers.
Hell yeah.
You don't have to forget old thoughts to internalize new ones; you still have some slots left that you can unlock for more thoughts.
This is a role playing game …. and Brady is role playing a character
I hope you are still enjoying playing! It’s been amazing watching you play but dont feel like you have to please everyone with your choices. I like watching you play the way you want … that’s the point of a let’s play 💖 thanks for sharing!
tbh I still don't understand your fascination with frittte girl
watch past videos he goes into it pretty directly and thoroughly. spent a half hour talking about it actually.
This is where I take off fellas,,, this is too cruel for me to be on board with
Bye
@@severallemmings 👋
Really? Klassje ruined peoples' lives and will do whatever it takes to weasel her way out of the consequences, including throwing Ruby under the bus. It's not cruel to take her in. She deserves it.
@@TheFrothyBrew she is not a worse evil than moralintern, which we put her to the hands of.
This video left me with a bit of a bad taste in my mouth tbh. I understand choosing options based on roleplay, but it felt like the roleplay kinda steamrolled over what a lot of Klaasje was saying by immediately calling suspicion on it. To me, the interesting thing about Klaasje *is* the ambiguity and mystery, and to either accept everything as true or to say everything she's saying is a lie is missing out on really interesting character exploration. It also felt difficult to see someone who was very recently traumatized be harangued and demonized by a person in a position of power, even if it is just fiction, and for it to go pretty much unchallenged. That said, I'm just a stranger on the internet, so you keep doing you, hope you continue to enjoy DE, as I continue to enjoy your vids!
With this decision I felt like Brady used the "roleplay" as a shield for taking this decision. I don0t blame him for choosing this, I just think is silly justifying it through because of roleplay
@vagoerrante it's a role playing game. Of course you can play a role playing game making only choices that you irl would also make but that's clearly not what has been happening in this playthrough. Making a choice in line with the character he's playing isn't 'hiding' behind anything, that's a really strange accusation
@@vagoerrante Hey... That's just kind of an insensible thing to assume :/
@@supertavio2 I agree with this. I wasn't trying to say anything about the value of the decision, I mostly wanted more engagement with the text outside of roleplaying because Klaasje is SUCH a psychologically interesting character in my opinion. I do think a lot of people in the comments are being at best parasocial, at worst shitty towards Brady, which is really nasty, and I feel bad for maybe participating in that with my comment. I think it's incredibly obvious by now that Brady the person/Brady the therapist would not have the opinions/attitude displayed in the video, and that he was just engaging with the game in the way he wanted to, which is totally fine!
@@evil-doer I agree that Klaasje is an extremely intriguing character. Actually, watching the video I noticed that I missed A LOT of super interesting lines from her because I always replay the game making the same decisions lol (kind of a comfort thing). The way she frames Ruby out of desperation, and just her delivery of it makes everything even more tragic. Love this game
Forgetting a thought does cost a skillpint, so unless you actually want to get rid of a specific one for a reason it might be best to fill out the empty spaces before replacing anyting.
Absolutely based
what is be specific mongrel
Don't think I've ever seen anybody arrest her. Good on you.
theres a reason for it
well I gave her a station call and she ran away. so you did ok. everyone selects the option that seems correct to them based on the available information. no right or wrong way to play really. for me, I had accepted that my character is a little compromised and wouldn't arrest the pretty lady xD
That was indeed one of the game's boss battles! I gotta say, I'm loving your playthrough. Was the arrest the right thing to do? Lots of people prefer the station call option, but this woman is a professional spy. It's as good as letting her free. Personally, I let her go, but only because Titus asked me to. She is ultimately the smaller fish.
The real kicker is you missed the bullet! If you had leaned into your hunches a little more, you might have caught it! Ah well. Therapy cop is concerned with the external world, perhaps to the detriment of the interior.
You also don't need to forget though now, it's cost the same as open new slot, ane you have 5 slots left
Parataxic distortion?
Parataxic distortion is a psychiatric term first used by Harry S. Sullivan to describe the inclination to skew perceptions of others based on fantasy. The "distortion" is a faulty perception of others, based not on actual experience with the other individual, but on a projected fantasy personality attributed to the individual.
I feel like your decision is justified, nothing really pointed to her possibly dying from arrest - I feel like even Kim would think that was going too far and would have said something if he knew that's how it'd end too. To be fair, I felt the same sort of regret when I didn't arrest her - seems like things aren't good either way.