Our 1934 Ford Coupe "Beautiful" Replacement Engine Is JUNK!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มี.ค. 2022
- Recently when driving the 1934 Ford Coupe "Beautiful", Matt overheated the stock engine and set the radiator cap into orbit. Beautiful is a standard model so there is no coolant temperature gauge from factory, but we plant to add one ASAP. Fast forward a few weeks and we were offered a 59ab flathead and two side shift transmissions for a pair of 1937 Ford bumpers. The lifter valley looked extremely clean and the gentleman's father had it rebuilt and never run. The engine did sit a number of years since rebuilding so Matt and Steve pull the heads and intake to look everything over before starting and things just seem to get worse from there....
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Wise (to run it on the stand first)...
Morning Matt, Steve!! Oh boy!!! hate that when that happens, you handled this gracefully!!!...you will get through this!! You have the part's and abilities!! Be safe!! God Bless!!
Steve is the type of worker every shop needs..a basic do it all dude..never complains, always with a positive outlook...
100% correct!
I hab a B block in my '30 Tudor, that was cracked, which I didn't find out, until I had been driving it for about half a year, where I changed head gaskets three times... Made a couple of block-off plates in order to test them out from that point on, using a garden hose - you live and you learn!
Just praise yourself lucky, that you're in the a country, where these parts are available!
Thank you for not being drama queens and showing how it really is Moon looks happy though
No fake drama here!
Great to find your channel , old school .
Thanks for watching!
Condolences. At least it can give its parts to the next block.
And the beat goes on. In the batters box a new engine. You win some you lose some and sometimes you get rained out.
At least you can make one out of the good parts, great day to you all. Thanks for sharing your work with us.
Sorry that engine didn’t work out after the time you spent on it but thanks for the learning adventure. I keep hearing about the various places to watch for cracks in the block but that was a new one for sure. At least you furthered our flathead education.
Just another educational experience. Thanks for all your videos.🤙🏻✌️👌😁
Hello Matt and team. Yes, you can look upon that as a rebuild kit to put into another block. If all the bearings were new and the crank ground and rods were new or resized all that stuff is great fodder to pep up an otherwise worn motor with a good block. Have you priced floater bearings lately? Yikes! I could use all that stuff in a heartbeat to rework one of my old clunkers. Thanks for showing the fails, it's a shame but it is the reality of these old relics. Last shot: It was nice seeing that older fella in there amongst the action offering helpful advice. Take care, all the best, Mart in England.
Thanks Mart! Yep my old friend Joe is a legend and loves tinkering on this stuff with us occasionally!
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Life goes on.
Pull out the pistons and hone it properly then clean it properly.
Though with water cooled exh manifolds it probably does not matter. A lot of sidevalves with cracked middle exh ports though, Henrys dillema in 1932. Warranty claim 90 years on!
Water cooled exhaust manifolds. lol
Ouch. I always knew that flatheads were famous for cracks, but inside the exhaust port is a first for me to see.
Actually, the 59 A is the best one as far as crack resistance.
Matt, the best way to get oil or another fluid to drain down a funnel is to put a piece of plastic tubing in the funnel about 6 inches longer than the top of the funnel 1 inch below the bottom of the funnel to allow the air out.
All my funnels have one held in with a drop of silicone at the top.
Miss my grandparents and father. Mass Knowledge that I wish I could have been able to get to know more.
Well you have a crank, rods,pistons,heads,cam. I’d find good block and build a good engine. Beautiful deserves a quality mill.
"Some days you blast off, and some days you just smoke!" Minor setback for you and the crew, but I have no doubt Beautiful will be back on the road. Keep moving forward, even when it seems like you're moving backward!
Good morning to you all and I will say that run stand looks like the era of the Flathead! That is why I love watching you all, don't have to have all brand new stuff! Awesome video as usual! God bless you and I hope that you have a great day.
I am so excited to see that you are able to make things work and knowledge enough not to junk something that can be touched up. Running is a plus, hopefully you can get it to work.
Old side valve V8 are devils child great when there running sweet ! good luck Matt
Great video as usual.
Hey Matt
That is such a shame to find that replacement engine block is now worthless.
Flatheads usually get cracks in the combustion chamber.
In 60 years of tinkering with flatheads I have never seen one crack in the exhaust port.
Now I have !
Beautiful deserves a fresh rebuilt engine.
I know you will take care of that.
Work Safe, Be Well
Yea was a new one to me too!
GREAT VIDEO MATT!!! THANKS FOR SHARING AND I LEARNED SO MUCH.
Matt that is not good hey. Good luck with your 3rd enjin rebuild. Thanks for sharing your video 📹
Like you said, at least you have many new parts! A good block and you can reassemble this deal soon enough!
Glad you're sticking with a flathead instead of a small block Chevy.
I don't feel so bad now with the same troubles as I do on my build and cracked blocks. I thought it was just me. I love your old school approach on a different motor....hone and all. Sorry it didn't work out Matt.
We had nothing to lose! I was taught that on unknown or last chance engines
Every Ford engine we had on the farm as a kid that had a flathead in it was cracked, , if not between the valves , it had had some freeze damage from not much antifreeze installed. All of those trucks keep us going and I know that someone some day had to get a lemon, Sorry but you have the right attitude. use it for parts and just smile about it.
Hello, all!. First time stopping in, the cars caught my eye. Great work on them, that sounds like a happy life. Saw the little prob with the block leaking, and it reminded me of something that happened years ago. I was stationed down in GA, had a mid 60s Comet with a straight six, accidentally drilled into the front cylinder when trying to extract a broken bolt to replace the water pump, but didn't realize it at the time; tapped the hole, put the new pump on, topped off the cooling system, sat in the car with doors open, cranked the engine, and promptly filled the entire exhaust system with water! Strangest sound I ever heard,....cranking and gurgling, then a rushing sound underneath me, then water gushing out the exhaust pipe onto the ground behind the car, and it caught my ear. I turned and saw the gush on every exhaust stroke of the #1 cylinder as I unknowingly kept cranking the engine....what a surprise! ( lol ) Nice channel!!
As Ahh-nold said..."Owl be back."
I rebuilt a motor and put white grease like always on the mains and rods. Then the motor sat for years. When I went to put it in an Internation pickup truck I pressure primed it like always. Good oil pressure.
Started let run for around 10 min. Then a rod knock came in . Took it apart and the grease was hard and blocked the oil holes . Buy buy motor.
Great video as always, sorry for the problems, just part of the hobby sometimes.
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So sorry to see that happen. You have a very good understanding attitude about the whole affair! A welding professional with years experience welding cast iron can repair that crack so it will never re-crack. You have the COOLEST garage ever!!!
I wish I could be able to tap a great source of information like you two gentleman have.
Great job getting it running before you installed it, luck was with you
Sorry about the headaches , guys . That's a lot of work & resources to find the engine has a bad block . But as you said , Matt , there are plenty of good parts for another block that isn't cracked . Definitely handy to have a temperature gauge in the future for "Beautiful" . You will get her in good running order , of that I am sure . We'll be watching !
Dang it. Hard to find a decent 70 year old engine these days.
Try finding a 88 or 89 year old engine. Looking for one for my 1933.
I’m building a 8BA for my 1st engine build ever, and it’s definitely an eye opener from what you encountered. Mines was Magnaflux’d and supposedly everything checked good. I’m hoping I don’t run into a situation like that. Love the history and the sound of a Flathead. Good video 👍
Ford did have some problems with blocks cracking. Magnaflux is the only way to go. Did my share of flatheads in the '50's. Then in the late '53's the OHV Ford engine came out. We didn't have any air tools !
Great video guys - bummer about the motor but as you said, better to catch it on the stand! 👍🏼
Had the same experience. Rebuilt/as new engine that had sat for years....looked good. Just a magnet for rust cos was never run or used. Dead end. Pffft . But a Great vid , Excellent .
Oh nooooooo. Yep in Maine I remember guys bringing a flathead from a junkyard. That had been sitting with water all winter! Uggg. Yeah been there.
That’s a kick in the groin luckily you can save a lot of parts from it
Drove a 53 with a couple cylinders with 25 lbs . Still running 100
Darn what a shame but like you said it just happens - so back to the search for a runner - God speed in getting her ready for the season.
I know of someone who put an AB In a 30's Ford for the GARace back in the late 1980's. They used the old heads by doing something to the studs in the block. They used an refurb. shop in Tolono, IL when I was in the AF.
Man what a drag, sorry that happened! Thanks for another great video, I've learned so much from your channel!!! I will be sporting some ITG gear this summer at my gigs and going to car shows. Keep em coming!!!
Thanks for watching!
Oops will may be fix but like you said you have more can't wait to see what you come up with love it from steve c from state Oregon
Man that is a tough break for you but great information, tech for us. Now you have to get a jump on one of the other hotrods to drive for the summer!
bummer that Is a hard one to catch without magnafluxing the block 😕 but at least you have all of those great new parts to build another block 😀 unfortunately someone failed in their rebuild
That 34 needs a 36 LB engine in it. Always thought the 59A's looked misplaced in the 32 to 36 Fords.
Wow that sucks but lucky you have a stash to go to its just a hassle to fine a good block. 👍👍
And that is why you have the run stand
great vid thanks
That sucks. Sorry about that. I know you're doing the right thing though. I'm looking forward to seeing the next vid with your replacement engine.
I guess loads of us watching remember something like this happening. My Dad had an old Morris Minor from the early 1930s (Not the post war car) He found that the oil level was rising. This could mean one of two things: either he was about to make his fortune or there was something seriously wrong with the little Morris engine. he was working as a mechanic at the time so he put it up on a lift, dropped the sump and saw the same kind of thing you saw as water appeared from the block between two cylinders. bad news. This was in the late 1940s so I was an infant at the time. In the 1970s I had a Ford 100E which developed a cracked cylinder head. Driving along one morning the temperature gauge went up and stayed up so I investigated and saw the strange sight of water apparently appearing on the top of the head. Bad news for the day, but fitted a spare head that night so all was well.
Wow; after all the effort and it looked nice…at least you can recoup on a bunch of parts and get rid of the block.
Yep put the good bits in a good block
I would certainly rip out all the good internal stuff for another engine. I would also think about making a set of blanking plates so you can pressure test these blocks. You never know with these really old engines that have been sat for so long, their history gets lost and people don't really know if they are good or not. If you fill the block cooling ways with water and pump them up to say 30psi then lock them off with a pressure gauge any slight leak will soon show. That's the benefit of doing the test hydraulicly rather than with air.
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Thank God Steve that you whassent out on the salt flats racing that engen
Not a total loss since you can transfer parts to a good block, a bit of a hang your head in disappointment though. Definitely much better to have caught this on the engine stand instead of after installation!
Hi Matt ,just gotta around to finish watching this one . Sorry to see that this engine didn't turn out good. That's the problem with these old flatheads, "cracks ". They will break your heart every time. I really wish that someone would make new replacement blocks. I know alot people have been talking about this for a long time 👨🔧.
Tough luck guys. It would be interesting to see how badly cracked that block is.
Ah man , that's shit luck. But like you said , the engine stand saved a lot more work .
Maybe pull the original block and have it hot-tanked and magnafluxed on the side? Would be a shame to part Beautiful of her (presumably) original engine!
Invest in a ball hone for touch ups. They do well at NOT eating up piston tops for the times you need to do exactly what ya had to do in this vid
I have one but it went missing. No idea where it went so we used this one.
Finding a useable block is always the toughest part of building a flathead.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose; such is life. It is good you caught it before putting it in the car. If you have a good block it might be worth boring it 0.030 over and putting all the parts from this engine in it.
You got a new inards for another block. Bored out to 30 over. Could have been worse. Enjoy the weather.
i bought a 427 chevy complete engine 40 years ago and the block, both heads the intake and crank were All cracked, i got half of my $250 back
Dang Matt, sorry to hear that! Sad to see another 59 block go down but that seems like that was a casting flaw that finally reared its ugly head. Like you said it waa probably the cause of the rebuild and since they never ran it they never caught it.
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Absolute Bummer....but a vast majority of these old flathead Fords suffer from cracks in one place or another...and the older they get, the more you see. I think alot has to do with the
Metallurgy of the day, not the engineering of the engine.
Hope you find a good replacement candidate b4 it gets hot so you can take the car out this summer...
Thats a bummer. Well hopefully you can make good use of the parts.
My best buddy has gone thru 9 flattys to fine one decent one they have overheating issues and Everyone knows it but you guys still spend money on them . im a traditional car builder but even i know to stay away from flattys yes i love the sound of them but only three main journals on the crank says everything ya need to know im not bashing u guys as i super stoked to see ya giving it ur best shot continuing the sport and passion, my self i run a 1953 olds rocket with vintage 4 deuce carbs and a 4 spd stick, ps a must is to run dual temp gauges one fir each head
Hopefully you have a good block you can use the internals from that block in.
What a shame, but, as you said, this stuff happens. Hope you find a truly good block.
modify that Hone by shorting the front and back ends so you dont build a taper in the bore as you clean the upper rust damaged area
55 PSI on that bad cylinder will start to seal better after it's broke in, rings seat you'll be up over 90 to 120. Now, the only big problem left is trying to get a welder down that exhaust port hopefully to seal up that crack. If you able to seal the block, even with permanent block sealer in the antifreeze...you're good to go. I would keep working with that engine...it can come back. They have real good pour-in block sealers now-a-days. Nothings perfect in life...but the price was right..free and it won't overheat after sealer is put in.
Somebody put a lot of work and money into rebuilding that engine. It's a shame to think it might've just been the water getting into it by being stored outside that ruined it.
A real mechanic can fix anything.
And a smart person knows when to cut his loses.
@@IronTrapGarage and an even smarter person knows from the beginning so he doesn’t have to make those kind of mistakes doesn’t he !
I acquired a V8-60 race engine that had been in a fire 30 years ago, was filled with water from the fire dept , everything was solid rust except the insides, it turned out that at the time they used caster oil which kept it from rusting on the insides. Who knew??
Sadly I've acquired a few engines that were in good shape or recent rebuilds, that were left outside with ether no air cleaner, or spark plugs, or left with water in the block, and the pan rails cracked.
Great channel Matt, get Dad"s car going while he can enjoy it ! I found a channel called Oak Swamp that is very cool ! If you haven't checked it out it's amazing fabricating at its best...mostly cars of the 30's & some in the 20" s track style racers like built in the 40"s no excuses on Dad"s Daily!!! Let's get that man in motion!?!?
Last year I bought 2 440's from a guy. One was a 75 motorhome engine with about 19k miles. The other was a 68 engine that he knew very little about. He had been storing them both since 1979 or 80. He used to take these engines in trade for tools, he was a Snap On dealer for 35 years. He said they had been stored inside but they were both stuck and he thought it was just condensation probably had stuck the rings. For $250 each I decided to take a chance. Fist was the motorhome engine. It was truly a super low mileage engine but one cylinder had gotten water in it at some point and was pitted beyond usage as is. The 68 turned out to be an even bigger bummer. It was an almost fresh rebuild with some really good TRW pistons. It was .030 over and looked to have less than 1000 miles on it. I mean the cross hatching was still very prominent in the cylinders and the inside of the engine looked like it was just hot tanked yesterday. But again one cylinder had gotten water in it at some point and after 42 years it had pitting that will need to be bored out as well. But the crank was perfect and I used it in another block with just a little clean up.
As rare as these are getting, hoping it's repairable.
Around 68-69 I had a flathead built for my 51 Mercury. Builder went thru 5 blocks before he found one that wasnt cracked...! 😏
We feel your pain!
Love the video and I love the wood burning stove, wondering what the brand of it is?
That's too bad, but definitely a fact of the flathead, I have seem a bad one come from the crate. We have a few runners and a couple full race, two still in crates.
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Matt i think it was ran after rebuild for a very short time with water only cause number 5 had water in when you pulled the head and its leaking now to and i bet number 2 would start to seep to if it ran more and got the rust out of the crack
Dang it!!!
Ouch,atleast it's a good parts donor motor, and we all know that you have plenty of flatties around 😉
Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
Bit of a bummer on that engine. Maybe use some of the internals on another block. Can’t always have a win. 🇦🇺🇦🇺👍👍
That sure sucks! Still, you have plenty of flathead blocks around and now new kit parts for getting one on the road! Better to find out before you mount it in Beauty!
I check head temperature with a heat gun, shows if a cylinder is not running right. Pull the engine on beautiful,could be just a blown head gasket?
I got burned on a 327 once from a guy I worked with. Bought the engine to replace a worn out 283 with him talking about how strong running it was. I pulled the intake to replace it with an aftermarket one and there was a big wide crack in the lifter valley. Guy swore up and down that he didn't know anything about it and said that's the breaks and wouldn't refund my money. I found out some time later from one of his buddies that he knew the block was cracked before he sold it. By that time though, the guy had moved on and I had no idea where he was at. Lesson learned.
Ugh that sucks!!
after 3 cracked blocks in a row i have given up on having a flat head in my 29 coupe
Man that sucks im sorry to see that
I can't tell you how many times I've had rib help rebuild motors put them in and there's something seriously wrong and they gotta come back out It sucks but it happens a lot