Adding Thickstun Heads and Finned Water Pipes To The Ford Model A "Pagoda City" Coupe
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- The Pagoda City Coupe was 90% built when we started this channel and has only been worked on in a handful of videos. This 1930 Ford Model A Coupe is built in a traditional East Coast style with a heavy channel and no chop. The flat head is mildly built and dressed with a Thickstun Hi-Rise intake and All State finned heads. The heads unfortunately have a known casting flaw and Matt's drivers side head is cracked. The crack is from the exterior of the head, around the letters, into the water jacket. The crack is has been getting worse with heat cycles, and the head needs to be replaced before it becomes a major issue. Today Matt is going to install a new acquired set of Thickstun aluminum heads and some killer finned coolant pipes!
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Speaking of folklore, I used to hear the old guys say if the heads were stuck after you take the nuts off start the engine and let the compression push them up. Sounded crazy to me but I've always wanted to try it! 😜
The supervisor watching the fluid change at 4:35 is priceless.
Sean Tierney, say my That's not oil that's anti-freeze my friend....Look closer.....
Supercritical attitude for a tat. What's up with that?
@@imouse3246 I'm not sure how you got that out of my comment, because that's not what it was.
Love your Model A coupe Matt! Glad Traditional Rod and Kulture did a feature on it before all car magazines (for the most part) went belly up (still got the article)! That's progress for you and that's why I think most of your viewers appreciate things the way they used to be.
Thanks Glenn!
I am liking bolts better and better now
The Pagoda Coupe is like a time warp Matt! For such a young guy to capture the time period of those original now historical hot rods is impressive. I think this hot rod qualifies Matt as an Artist!
Matt, my favorite car in your collection is the Pagoda City Coupe. For years I’ve wanted a Model A with a 85 hp motor and ‘39 transmission. And the Pagoda coupe seems to fit the bill. It’s more than an old wives tale that starting the motor with the nuts off the studs will allow the compression to push the head loose is real. I watched my Dad do it several times back in the 1950s. It still seems a little unorthodox to me and I’d be hard pressed to try it.
Hey Matt, My Dad was taught about flatheads by my Grandfather. Dad said that he broke a cast production head because of rust around the studs with which he was not patient enough. He also said they used to sell a slim hole saw type tool to dig out the oxidation in order to ease head removal on earlier stud designs. He also said that Ford went to bolts in order to solve this problem that you have perfectly described. I hope my memory has served me well on this discussion. Also I believe I have two of his flat head valve spring compressors, they appear to me as compressing the opposite way as I would expect... Donnie
Nice to see the coupe back out. Just my opinion, but it needs a "choppier" cam to match the look.
I have a Winfield 1A in mine. Its choppy enough for me.
Keepin' it real, gents! Always wanted to see more of her. Maybe a walkaround after a wee fettle!
I got around sticking heads years ago by nickle plating the head studs (cheap) and using plenty of ant seize on the stud itself. i tried the urban myth about driving around with the nuts off... didn't work. I filled one cylinder with the shops grease gun using a modified spark and grease nipple. The head moved enough to put wedges underneath . A mate has a couple of 1915 Cadillac's and he did the same but used Hydraulic oil and a powerpack.
10lb slidehammer...
I've heard from Model A owners that if you remove all the head bolt nuts and just leave a few loose and turn the motor over the compression will pop the head loose.
I've done that 3 or 4 times. Works great. I thought that would work here as well. Just not that knowledgable on the V8 flatheads.
If seen it 1st hand and it definitely works
A trick I use is to lightly coat the studs and holes with liquid Teflon thread sealer, it stops the electrolysis and rust
Matt: The biggest tool you have is your patience. You display that in every episode alongside your technical expertise. That, plus Permatex #133K Anti-seize compound work wonders.
Nice to see the coupe getting some love. The photo you show at around 3 minutes is of my Thickstun equipped engine in my 35 cabriolet, nice surprise, my 30 seconds of fame!
Great session, Matt - nice find on those heads and pipes.
Great little coupe. Be safe and stay well.
Sometimes there is the perception on channels and car tv shows that you build it and then it is as durable and as trouble free as a new car. I like the "real" of this video. My 51 M38 seems to have old stuff on it that keeps breaking or wearing out. It's a constant observation is the components that makes the old car hobby fun. Thanks for the fun.
Great point! One of the fantasies of tv land - be it old cars, boats, airplanes, even old house renos - it’s never one and done. The old stuff always needs ongoing, next level TLC.
Good, some well deserved love for the coupe!
Danged memories! I had a dual carb SHARP intake and SHARP heads for my 1946 Mercury coupe. The only time we got robbed all my good car crap was taken. It took years to find those SHARP parts. We had a special reason for wanting those for our '46 Merc.
Good luck on the Model A.
I was good friends with Al Sharp and we worked on many hot rods together. Unfortunately he passed about 15 years ago. His kids sold all the molds of his engine parts so if you find any and can get them you will have some real money there. By the way his home town was Mira Loma California.
@@reaveswolfe399 Ovr the years I found several sets of SHARP heads at the Daytona swap meet. Some were fine but all were expensive.
I got more upset loosing the SHARP dual intake. My son, around 12 at the time, got it cheap from a friend for doing some work.
I once bought a 1946 Dodge pickup from Carl Wolfe.
@@modeladenny1218 I don't think I know a Carl Wolfe but I'm sure he is a relative of mine somewhere down the line in some state. Anyway at my age my taste in cars has moved to later models such as 50s and 60s classics. My latest is a 1965 Pontiac tempest, completely stock and numbers matching that I had been searching for since I got out of the army in 1967. I finally found one in a couple of years ago less than a mile away from my house and bought it for a really good price.
@@reaveswolfe399 Carl Wolfe was a coworker in central Illinois. It was just a memory of old vehicles.
I'm thinking now maybe a 47-53 Buick fastback. I had lots of those when young.
Good stuff. Love the Pagoda City Coupe.
Hey Matt the hammer you have was made for piston installation! You’re right they are handy for tons of situations! Luv the iron you play with!
Love covered bridges, we have one in my county with flashing lights and safety beam but another truck hit it last week, luckily the beam stopped it.
You must live in Cobb Co.
We got some here in Massachusetts as well
I think these are much better looking than the Allstate heads. I'm an old guy and Allstate has always represented "cheap" to me. Probably started with the Henry J's they rebranded "Allstate" and tried to sell them unsuccessfully for a couple years. So rare or not I would never run a pair of those heads even if the quality didn't suck.
I like the wide 5 wheels and the correct hubcaps.
It amazes me how talented you are!
Just a young guy trying to learn everyday!
Now you need to find those Thickstun finned head covers to put on & maybe the air cleaner.
The air cleaner I have but it looks silly on this car since it’s so channeled it sits in the center of the windshield
Jon here! It's 7:45 on Sunday. I'm frothing at the mouth waiting for today's great video!
See you at 10am EST!!
Awesome. This is the car that attracted me to your channel couple years ago. Good to see it playing the star attraction in its own video.
A Plus. 👍👍
Very cool. I'd love to do one with a flathead and 39 trans but I've had mostly small block Chevy's in my hotrods although my 55 Chevy 210 has a tunnel rammed 454 in it. When I was 18 I had a roadster with a 27 Henry steel Ford body with a Turtle deck. That one was built by one of my mentor's named Howard who was an ace with his old Lincoln stick welder standing or laying down on his back welding overhead. Perfect welds every time. He used a 59 nailhead Buick with the Dynaflow trans. The only draw back was he used the torque tube set up rear that kept wiping out U-joints. My latest that is mostly done is a 26 tall T with a Model A chassis. Dodge D-100 rear end and straight axle but I used a mild 350 with a GMC vintage 6.71 blower and two 1958 450 Holley's on top. It has a 4 speed Saginaw trans. 66 GTO shifter, Yamaha Rhino seats, aluminum Corvair steering box I reversed myself using an article from an issue of Ole Skool rodz magazine. The deck lid was custom built and has 85 louver's in it. The cowl over the windshield has 20. 1970's Budweiser beer keg gas tank. Harley sportster rear coil overs. Will be a driver shortly. Just waiting for a racing buddy to modify the carbs to run right on the blower. It is currently 108 out in Mesa Arizona today. Not exactly cruising weather. Keep up the good work. I came across your video's yesterday and subscribed. Thanks.
I like all your Video's, But I gota say Excellent content Keep it Up!
Thank you!!
It is indeed a win to make it back home on after a shakedown run after changing things.
That offset deadblow is a piston hammer. Made to tap pistons thru a ring compressor and into the block. I think Summit has them too
Interesting vid. I started following around the time of the 39 forgotten rod, so this is the first I've seen of the Pagoda City. Perfect hot rod!
I've also heard of people fishing small rope through the opening of the spark plug hole then cranking the engine so the piston and the Rope push the head up.
Thats my favourite car of yours. One day im gonna build one that's inspired by the pagoda city coupe.
Thank you!
Haven't seen this car on this channel before. I like it! It's got a good vibe.
Change the oil since you got some water in the pistons. My old ford F150 62 model ran at 160 and is a great temp to run at.
THAT was one hell of a great video! Thanks!!
Given the limited miles some of our old cars get driven I use recreational fuel in my old Flathead Ford. Don’t have to worry about the ethanol additives.
That hammer is for installing pistons into the cylinder
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Ford Flathead Cyl Head Puller Set - Blue Point No. S 9099 - These work great even on Indian Head Shellac - Tried to send a photo, No workee
That's a good old good one for sure, nice wheels and caps.
Such a Cool car. I'm glad to see it get some much needed attention
I still love the look of that car.
Thanks, and Woof to Moon.
Great stuff Matt. I am a Model A fan and owner, but I think you already knew that. LOL.
I am surprised you haven't developed a head puller that you could thread into the spark plug holes And lift the heads off. Do you retorque the heads after you get it warmed up?
After I do a first test drive like this I will retorque.
Morning Matt! y'all should know I don't miss a episode!! I have a question, without going through your videos, the Pagoda City Coupe, was this car the car that you did the chassis when you were at Eastwood? We use a brown gooey mess, called Form a Gasket which worked great for head bolts, we also use to use aluminum spray paint for head gaskets, I now used the red spray gasket sealer.. Anyway,
Be safe!!! God Bless!!!
Yep this is the same car
Watching you remove the chrome caps off the head nuts reminded me of my first hot rod, a 29 Model A Tudor with a 40 Merc flathead engine. I wanted to put those chrome caps on my freshly painted (red) engine so I ordered 50 of them for the head nuts and 20 for the intake manifold from JC Whitney (around 1962). As I recall, they were a nickel apiece! I wonder if the price has gone up since then ? :)
Back then I couldn't afford that much for fancy nut caps. I'd even driven 130 miles to JC Whitney many times to save shipping.
@@modeladenny1218 Back when gas was 20 cents!
@@87mini Yup! 100 octaine CLARK Super 100 @19.9 during regular gas wars.
Usually got a glass drinking glass or some other item, all windows washed, oil battery, radiator, tires checked and they pumped the gas!
Great stuff, as usual!!!
Man...that thing is so cool! Enjoy it.
Ya ever leave the nuts on the head studs...and crank it over ?
Compression helps.
Neat covered bridge
Car looks amazing Matt.
Matt, what did you gap the plugs at?
Thanks Phil
Good looking heads. Is it recomended to use anti-seize on the plugs with flathead aluminium heads? Just asking.
Can't hurt
The deep channel looks, weird, with the tires sticking above the body
What happened to the finned heads?
Thanks for sharing!
They’re sitting on my shelf.
Another great video guys. The '30 Coupe has so much character, it looked cool going through the old bridge.
Just curious if you have any of the hotrods with you at Carlisle booth.
Just selling parts at our swap booth.
Never use silicone on bolts/ studs. Several different things you can use. GM head stud sealer, Loctite and similar, Form a gasket.
Studs give better clamping and you are not stripping the threads out of the block. But use hardened washers and moly lube on the threads. Fine thread gives better clamping also.
You should avoid silicone on heads totally. With copper. asbestos gaskets some copper spray or even silver paint helps. And remember if said gaskets have been 'on the shelf' for a long while they will be useless. Ditto with composition style. They shrink!
For those old porous heads generally stop leak cubes will fix the issue. A bodge but one that lasts a good while.
So many of those old alloy castings are less than ideal.
And water is for washing the car, not for cooling.
And the coolant temp should be 180-190 F.
Too wash all the scunge and grime off use an industrial degreaser, spray it on with a trigger pump, leave for a few minutes and pressure wash off.
I like the new heads it looks great! Now if someone had ones like the ones you replaced with that problem are they repairable (within reason) at that point or better used for decoration once those seams start to go?
Why can’t TH-cam nor google find your music? Searching for “gunnar johnsen song “spring is in the amp 5” epidemic music library”. What is last song on outtro 25:12?
At least you won't be losing your 10mm
Love the coupe!
very nice good job
Are you going to weld up the cracks in the Alstate heads?
23:17 Seven pounds oil pressure?
Awsome cruze
nice, oil pressure, some
Matt, is the Pagoda City Coupe on 32 rails?
Thanks..
Scratch built frame
USE NONOXIGINATED FUEL !🤠
love it so cool
It looks like the hammer is a corking hammer for boat plank.
How mudh$$$$??
Nothing is for sale in this video.
Cool car! Do you use a lead additive for your gas?
what best coolant? plain water work fine? cheers
ah oh wondered what happened to that car now i know.
hi car sound good
Obviously the best way to get old gas out of your hot rod is to drive it until it's empty.
But I don’t leave it empty when I’m not driving it.. so there lies the problem.
Is that the one you built a frame from scratch on the Eastwood channel???
Yep!
what gas mileage does a flat head get?
15-20 grins/mi
KOOWEL!!
BITCHIN!!!
Bolts on model As rule
👍👍🇨🇱
Actually, I think the "less fancy" non finned heads go better with the rough and tumble patina of the Pagoda. It's a respectable look. I prefer the 'rattier' end of the hotrod spectrum to all the candy and chrome do dads of the show cars anyway. Thanks for the fun. 👀👌
The shinny shot has grown on me recently tho and my car is brush painted like the pagoda
Do you have the Thickstun head covers?
Matt, with the vintage suspension parts, do you experience front end wobble/shake when you get around and above 65mph
Nope. Plenty of guys have gone 100-200mph with ford front ends.
No. Got a 1913 Speedster that does well over 100mph with just a little round piece of glass attached to the steering column so you need to wear goggles while driving and it's straight as can be..The brakes on the other hand 😆
Thanks Matt! Pagoda is my favorite car of yours - it really is just about perfect!
The covered bridge was the highlight of that ride.
The guy in the red truck must have gotten a kickass view :D
Old School clicker? Old School was a deflecting beam style.
Pretty cool !!! Glad you were concerned about removing the Allstates. That means you may try to save them. If you can bolt those down on a fixture, you can drill the crack ends, grind & weld 'em up. After you surface the welded crack .. send them off to a NASCAR experienced coating company. ANYBODY CAN COAT FOR POROSITY BUT .. ... a company that does as such for severe duty applications can serve you better. Can't remember who I used but they were in North Carolina. Cheap, too.
EDIT :: >> May wanna' put a sacrificial annode in your cooling system to save those finned cooling tube. OR ... wait for it .. ... send those off to get coated too. 🤣😶🤷♂️🙂
Also .. look for RECREATIONAL GAS. Its just gas. No ethanol, or other riff raff chemicals in it. JUST GAS. In Georgia and Texas .. the station is called Pure Gas. Or just Pure. Surely Pennsylvania being the original home of Standard Oil >>> Exxon. Also Quaker State. Somewhere near you is a recreational gas source.
I always loved the Pagoda Coupe. More so .. always love you and Mike riding together in any of your creations. You guys always look have you're having a good time.
Way to go, fellas !!!
Love the journey you and the boys have taken me along . Be safe and hello from Australia again
Thanks for watching!
What about tags and stickers? Do you get messed with much up in PA. It cost me 60 dollars to move my 54 chevy 2 ton wrecker 28 miles. I was stopped twice, 1 sheriff, 1 city cop. Thank goodness all they wanted to do was look at the old truck.
Antique tags. Once and done forever.
Matt , always use neversize on plugs in Aluminum heads
Yep you’re right. The plugs were coming right back out the next day to check to see how the car was running. I added some when I put them in after fine tuning the carb a little. Thanks
I heard wawa in Morgantown has ethanol free gas
And Douglassville
Cool 😎
so glad to see the pagoda city coupe get the love it deserves, inside and out.
Hey Matt, I just saw something on the P City coupe that I have never seen before. They are those thick wall carb scoops! Are those perhaps old, new additions? Wow, they look 3/16 or 1/4" thick. I can hardly believe that they have been there long and I haven't seen them! As soon as I saw the motor my eyes were drawn right to them! :) Any history behind them?
Oh, since you asked if folks use the copper stuff to seal head gaskets I wondered if you've heard of using plain old aluminum paint? When my dad started racing hardtops in the early 50's He soon found out how great it worked, especially pulling a head or heads every time you got torn down to check the stroke! We also found the advantage of bolts over studs.
When I started racing and later working on flatheads in hotrods that was the only way I did them. Try it, you'll like it. Both things make pulling a head almost a pleasure. As a kid I was chief block and head scraper of course and I really liked both! :)
Thanks for all the videos Mike I always enjoy them!
Marvel mystery oil definitely use in fuel helps lubricant everything rings valves and Valvoline oil 30 wt
Try coolant tablets from napa they were used in gm engines factory this will fill any voids its basically
Powdered nutmeg shells it works awesome video thanks for posting
I've always used 60 lbs torque on my heads but I have Navarro and Cyclone heads. Most recently Navarro. This is what I was taught by Bingley and Tardel.(my daughter also)
You should head up here to Massachusetts as you'd love to meet the people I do work for ALOT. There family owns 25+ old Ford's like this one here and literally have trailers filled with parts from Lang's..