But that item is useless. Much like the coin, it doesn’t defend you, it’s even worse than the coin because at least the coin gives you more speed. The fake item box wouldn’t fool anyone. Who would hit a fake item box thinking it’s real? Unless it’s completely covering a real box, which it’s very hard to place there.
@@WritingCountingOriginal The banana also doesn't fool anyone, should it get cut from the game? The point of obstacles is literally just being obstacles. Blocking parts of the road, that's it, and the fake box does that better than the banana since it's bigger and has longer hitstun (which even stops all momentum, unlike the banana) It's obviously not the best item in the game or anything but the point of first place items is not to be the strongest. I for one would appreciate seeing some more variety in what pops up in first place Also it's not difficult at all to just drop the fake box right after a real one
@@SmashSSL What i'm saying is there are better items they could add than the fake item box. We don't need more items that will act only as obstacles. They could add the Yoshi's egg item and that would do a better job putting more obstacles on the track after it breaks.
Honestly, if the Thunder Cloud were to ever return, I want it to be a battle mode exclusive item. It would’ve worked WAY better in Battle Mode than in ACTUAL races.
It would also make a great new game mode, sort of like the opposite of the shine thief battle mode where if someone has the cloud for more than a certain amount of time they get eliminated and it keeps going until there's only one person left with the time getting shorter each round.
Instead of being a fake item box, maybe do a fake coin. The placement of using these are more ideal compared to a fake item box since item boxes are normally in rows & not in random places. Plus they can look similar to a coin but a darker yellow & an X on the coin & not a line.
@@Odyssey_Central Hot take of mine: I think every item in the series should return (at least for offline play) now that players can select which items appear. If you don't like an item, you can turn it off. Say what you want about which items sucked, but I think they should all be an option for offline play for those who want to experiment with them. Also, two changes I'd make to thunder clouds: I'd have them able to be detonated when the player tells it to go, and I'd have the thunderbolt go for the length of time of whatever place you are in when it strikes you (whether you are in first or last, it lasted the length of a first place lightning bolt). Good video by the way!
The FIB was REALLY underrated in Wii. It was easily the best trap item because of its massive hit box and the way it destroyed all momentum. Combine that with the occasional blind corner or risky shortcut and you’ve got an amazing way to break away from the pack
Also the fact that they can't block red shells adds some more tension to first place and balances it further. Imo they shouldn't have changed the first place items after wii. (Or if there was a game that did that before)
Yeah, while I did like it as a more offensive, less defensive alternative to the banana peel, the fact that it was dark red in Wii completely defeats it's intended purpose. At least in Double Dash, it was smaller, a lighter shade of red, and disguised it's colors from a distance a little better, so it was a _little_ harder to tell apart from a real one in that game.
It's also worth mentioning that some items that did returned in Tour got changes. Mega Mushroom- now gives you one hit point instead of unlimited Super Leaf- Let's you hover for a short while and collects coins
Also, Bowser shell- Travels along the path of the track Big Banana- Splits into 3 when hit (though that might be in double dash) Fire flower- Splits into 3 fireballs in 1 shot (similar to fireball in double dash or the ice flower... also frenzy mode is closer to mk8) Heart- Summons 1 heart instead of 2
If the lightning cloud was brought back and could be detonated whenever you want instead of as soon as you get it, I think it would be a pretty cool item. It would be like a game of hot potato but there’s a reason to hold on to the potato for a bit. It'd be fun to see someone use the cloud for a while, then pass it on to someone else while just before it blows up.
I prefer the way competitive modders changed them to give you mega mushroom ability instead of shrinking you, so rather than you trying to drive into other players, you have to avoid other players trying to take your powerup
The player who obtains it should definitely be able to decide when to activate it. They should get a timer when activated, like piranha plant or fire flower, so they can plan the right time to pass it on.
I think the Dash Ring would be a really funny addition if they didn't make it have set locations. The fact that other players can use it and it spawns in front of you can make them into obstacles if used right, like you can make other players crash straight into walls or off ledges.
I feel like the problem with Mario Kart is that there's too many offensive items that doesn't make you get further ahead, but instead brakes the pack so you can catch up to them. This results in the leader being more safe from everyone, while everyone are slowing down eachother. So Mario Kart should preferably add more items that makes you get ahead more. Giant mushroom, which is an offensive item, but it gives you a speed boost. The hearts, which is a defensive item. Then I think I once suggested a launch star. You activate it, and you stop fully, you aim, then you fly forward hitting people and item out of the way. You can't control the speed boost, so use it in a good spot. It's also offensive, but still gives you a speed boost. Have it be an item for 8+ and have it give you a massive boost.
This is it entirely, and is even partially why Blue Shells fail as they punish the user, person hit, and rewards the person in 2nd all while everyone around the user gets offensive or speed items. You should bring people up to 1st, not bring 1st down. All bringing people does is make everyone suffer but if you bring everyone up and feel like you're going fast it feels like you have a chance and are catching up. It creates the speed and excitement of racing.
The Fake Item Box is my favorite Mario Kart item and I _really_ hope it is brought back. I actually think it could be reworked to be more useful. Instead of acting like a simple banana, when a player drives into it, it will act like a Lightning, shrinking the player for a while. This way it will not just be a worse Banana Peel and it'd have a much more interesting function
That’s a pretty good buff to the Fake Item Box (or a FIB for short). One more change I’d like to see for the FIB is to have it look somewhat similar to regular item boxes, but with a couple differences. Instead of not being being red like in Double Dash and Wii, have it look like an actual item box with an upside down question mark like in 64, and have it not spin like in DS.
FIB is not a worse banana, it would actually be insanely useful in MK8D. The item balance currently doesn’t allow for much trapping, in 99% of the cases it is better to keep a banana behind you instead of placing it down. A FIB forces you to place it down somewhere, encouraging offence over defence. In the current item balance, FIBs as they were in MKWii would be amazing.
I would love if the fake item box shrinked enemies who touched it just like the poison mushroom. It would be a nice reference and it already has sparks on games like Wii and Double Dash.
@C: like Bowser in Mario Party Superstars when he forces you to buy a poison mushroom for 20 coins (I'm not sure about the price, but you get it). Yeah, that could work
@C: Better, what if, it takes your items, disappears for 3 seconds and then returns as a real item box with your own item (and maybe a little icon so the playing who picked it up knows who they stole it from for extra laughs)
Yeah it definitely made Mario kart wii a lot more competitive than Mario kart 8, which is a lot more fun. I feel like Mario kart 8 is too easy to stay ahead without items like that.
I just wanted to tell you two small things you missed: the *massive* banana in double dash when broken, releases small bananas. And the pow block only affects players in front of you (and also, what if you could just activate the cloud yourself? Then I'd imagine it could be really cool, since you get to choose)
a big reason why i always disliked the leaf is that if you activate it instantly, by the time you reach the next item boxes its still active, preventing you from picking up a new item. then the leaf runs out shortly after passing the item boxes, meaning youre defenceless since the person behind you is certainly gonna get an item.
Mario Kart DS actually did have one unique item: the Real Item Box. You could only get this item in Battle Mode, and only after you'd been eliminated. It's only gonna come back if they add a Last Man Standing option to 8 Deluxe.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 When you were eliminated, you turned into a ghost. This allowed you to drop (or just keep behind you cuz funny) item boxes and influence the match.
Unpopular Opinion: Thunder Cloud was one of the coolest and most interesting items in MK. The second you get it, the adrenaline that gets pumped through you is amazing. That heart racing feeling as you rush to slam your kart into another person to give them the same rush you had. It's the perfect chaos item and I have no idea why people hate it so much
I know the chain chomp was used in Double Dash, but the Mariokart Live: Home Circuit chain chomp is different and should be mentioned even though it was made after 8 Deluxe
I think the Giant Banana from DK and DK also drops 3 smaller bananas when you get hit by it right? It also doesn't get destroyed by shells. The main difference between a Bullet Bill and Chain-Chomp is indeed the bullet bill makes you invulnerable. But the chain chomp goes down the track after the chain breaks, potentially hitting more enemies ahead of you. And also, the fancy music, dang.
OK, so a few things u either forgot to mention or were mistakes: Tanooki Leaf: In Mario kart tour, it acts like the feather letting u hover and to my knowledge has no impact on other racers. The only real use in 8 would be to attract coins. Obviously this would be the version they use so not likely. Mega Mushroom: In Tour, it acts like a star but with no off road invincibility and it only let's u tank 1 hit before u shrink back to normal size. Idk how this would change ur opinion but just thought I should mention it. Also doesn't let u shrink people, instead doing the knockback that a shell would Heart: In Tour, it doesn't let u steal the item once u hit. Don't know how this would change ur opinion on whether its coming or not but I think it heavily reduces its chances. Bowser Shell: In Tour, u are able to hold it behind u and if anything hits the bowser shell whilst it's behind u, it shrinks. U didn't, mention it so thought i should put it here. Giant Banana: When u run into it, it splits into 3 smaller bananas. U didn't mention it so I thought I should put it here. Bubble: It actually acts more like a star with u being immune to offroad however u are immune to one hit. U can steer the kart still but can't drift and pop the bubble at anytime by tapping the screen in tour (so mashing the item button in 8) to end the item early. I think this description shows off more important and unique traits about it which weren't in the video. Ice Flower: In Mario Kart Tour, the frenzy version of the fire balls acts like mk8's fire flower. This is the same for the ice flower so it might act like this in 8. Overall, rlly enjoyed the video but also hope this comment helps clear up the mistakes/stuff not mentioned for some reason 😊
i honestly have always thought the pow block was underrated. its main purpose in online play isnt necessarily to screw people over, because the dodging mechanic is pretty well known, but the fact that it gets rid of the players items is pretty powerful, all things considered. its a far more strategic item than people give it credit for
Except it fails at it because the person who got it lost their item, no mushroom to catch up or lightning to catch up. Instead people just lose their items and nothing changes. Realistically what can you do with it unless you have a 2nd player you're talking with to exploit it?
The thing that makes the bubble so good is the fact that you can steer and you can turn sharper than when normally driving, and that’s what makes it so good, you can go over any off road and it lasts quite a while if you don’t get hit, so you can take a lot of shortcuts
I genuinely think the thunder cloud could be one of the most enjoyable/funnest moments if it is balanced propperly (wich i dont think should be too hard) it has great comeback potential and it keeps the top 4 really on their those when they see it approaching
If the Super Bell does make it into the game they should simply make it a reskin of the Super Horn that replaces it in tracks that relate to bells in some way, like Super Bell Subway or Animal Crossing
Thinking about it I could see two items come in due to the new item list having two empty slots so it'd make sense to fill just those two to even out the board
Fun fact: The chain chomp was originally going to return in MKDS as there is an item sprite and minimap sprite of the chain chomp. You can even actually get it to load as an item in the beta version but using it just crashes the game.
I feel like if they included the yoshi egg as a new item in a future game it'd function more like a shield. Like you get encased and roll around for a few seconds immune to all damage. You can even use it to bypass small gaps or low rail abstractions for a short cut.
What I like is the mega thundercloud mod from Mario Kart Wii which turns into a mega mushroom at the end of the time instead of shrinking you, so you want to keep it and others want to bump into you to get it.
imo the fake item box's primary function in earlier games was to give chaining items in 1st a risk. you can drop your green shell/banana behind you for a chance at hitting 2nd and breaking away further, but there's always a chance that you'll get a fib and end up with no protection when you need it the coin already serves this purpose in 8dx, and having two items in the 1st-place roulette that can't be used defensively honestly sounds frustrating. unless item chances got a significant rebalance accompanying its appearance, i'd honestly prefer if it remained absent
I never even knew the lightning cloud gave a speed boost..I only remember it as the item that'd randomly be passed onto you shocking you lol I'd actually love to see it returned! Maybe they could give it a warning cue to let you know it'll shock soon (like maybe the cloud slowly turns black, and once black it shocks whoever is holding it). It sucks when you get bumped and passed onto only to get zapped but it'd be a really interesting item to spice up gameplay.
i think the "negative" items you mentioned from the wii like thundercloud and pow, (besides pow because i never had any issues with it to dislike it nor like it) the thindercloud had a certain fun to it. and i would love to see it again, even only if in minigame modes. people say they want mario kart to get harder yet completely disregard those things that do. yes its annoying, but its literally supposed to be. thats the fun, passing it over to other people, maybe they hit you again and its a hot potato kind of thing. things to actually make the game more interesting rather than it being the easiest thing to get 1st once you know a track.
You don’t understand. The Fake Item Box SHOULDN’T be brought back. Every game has EITHER the Fake Item Box OR SNES Rainbow Road. We already have SNES Rainbow Road in 8 Deluxe, so if the Fake Item Box got added, it would most likely rip a hole in the space-time continuum so big you could fit your ego through it.
One odd way that i saw the thundercloud be made better is that if kept all the way or say "snagged" from another racer at the last moment it makes the racer giant.
@@Liggliluff ok, perhaps more like if you keep yours all the way and no one steals it, you get giant and that if its snatched into you by another player then it shrinks you, or perhaps whichever it does is somewhat Random.
the dash rings actually use the same pathing as bullet bills i believe so it could actually work. i think this item would be really cool if it boosted players in the back more. i want more items in mario kart that encourage helping not just yourself but people behind you. could especially make items in first place more interesting
The Thunder cloud is honestly fun as an idea Risk reward A ticking time bomb that gives you speed for the duration, wich you can pass to other players Make it not auto activate and maybe buff the speed slightly and it would be quite
i feel like the thunder cloud could come back as a battle mode exclusive, it could be like a fun reverse mode of shine thief where your trying to avoid the player with item rather than chase them
honestly, I would much prefer a mario kart game where instead of the lightning bolt it was only the pow block but with around the same spawn chance, it can be meaningfully be played around while still being kind of hard to dodge and actually relates to the wider mario IP
The POW Block should've been what the Super Horn is today, a blue shell counter. It would've been so much better if it sent out 3 shockwaves around the player, destroying anything it touches.
I like the obnoxiously obvious fake item box because it gives 1st place more to think about than "I got a coin i'm fucked" you can still use them as obstacles, and important defend against second place if they're close behind they don't defend against other items because they are meant to force first place into a more aggressive play style
If they wanted to bring back the chain chomp and make it different from the bullet bill and pirahna plant, they could have it so that you become tethered to the nearest opponent, with the chain tripping up karts that attempt to pass through it
How about optional item alternatives? Either as bonus slots you can pick from during kart selection; or as character-exclusives like in Double Dash; or as course-exclusives. For instance (optionally) being able to convert all (or some) red shells in Yoshi's Circuit to Yoshi's Eggs; or make all bananas become giant at DK Jungle. This adds some chaotic fun to casual races, and can be turned off in competitive races. If a bonus slot during kart selection to further customize your kart, this might compete with passive bonuses such as an ability that says "when you are hit by an item, you gain a coin" or "you gain 5 bonus points if you end a race in second place" or such.
I think you could balance the banana bunch the same way that they balanced triple-bananas in Mario Kart DS. You are allowed to use the bananas offensively multiple times, placing them on the track to hit opponents. But defensively? You can only use it once. If you get hit by a shell, you lose ALL of your bananas.
The Heart and the Super Leaf works different in Tour. The heart no longer picks up the item that hits you and the Super Leaf spawns a tanooki tail that spins around you and makes you float a bit.
Man, imagine if the DLC had items being re-added? That would be so amazing! Also the Pow Block and Thundercloud being "bad luck" items actually changed up gameplay in a interesting way, I know they're annoying and penalized you as well until you do something about it, but it adds to the fun and frustration, everybody hates Blue Shells, but also love them for that.
The POW block is actually often good in a strategic sense. Ask any competitive Mario Kart Wii player, and they'll tell you the POW block is one of the most strategic items in the entire franchise. Yes, it's true that you can avoid losing speed by doing a wheelie/up tricking at the right moment, but its negative effects can still be two-fold. For one, the players in front of you will still drop any items (or be forced to spam at a possibly very inconvenient time) they could have used to do a shortcut or use strategically otherwise. And the other thing that I'd argue makes it an even more useful item is that when you trick to avoid losing your speed, if the POW gets your opponents on a corner, they'll end up in really awkward off-road positions or even fall off the track. So it's definitely a much better item than people give it credit for. To be fair of course, getting one as your last item on a track like N64 Mario Raceway when everyone behind you has speed items to do the shortcut does leave you feeling pretty helpless (I may or may not be speaking from experience here lmao)
Vastly unpopular opinion that will likely get me extorted but the Thundercloud would actually be perfect for MK8. The reason it sucked in MKWii is it did NOT work as intended. It was supposed to be a “hot potato” item you pass to others, but the game never considers you might not even be around other racers, making the item a giant middle finger. MK8 however, has a much more intricately designed item system. It considers how far apart racers are with the intent of keeping the pack clustered (this is why you can sometimes pull ridiculous items like the Star, Golden, or Bullet Bill in third or even second if first place has a massive lead). So with that in mind, the Thundercloud could actually do as intended. Plus, bumping is far more frequent in MK8 as compared to MKWii. The thin frame of bikes made it hard to pass in Wii; MK8 has bulkier karts and even encourages bumping with the anti-gravity sections. I know being on the receiving end of this thing is never fun, but I think it could work in the right setting.
Yea I'd imagine it would work better in MK8, probably would be most likely to be gotten as a middle-front person in the race; like not one of the top 3 spots but not dead mid or last, a place where people are more likely to be closer to other players and it'd work as a short boost to help gun it for 1st
Some of the items that returned to tour actually changed how they operated. The tail, for example, acts as a tornado that spins around your kart for a few seconds, the fire flower acts like the double dash version, the heart only protects you and doesn’t give you the item that hit you, etc
I think the fake item cube should be revamped so that if you break a real one and then immediately use the fake one the real one gets replaced for a few seconds. The first cube hit changes.
i like the idea of the ice flower, in mario kart double dash one of my favorite things to do was try to push people into the "ice bergs" so they would freeze and slide out
- My top 6 (in no particular order) 1: Mega mushroom, personally my favorite item from Wii because the song it plays when someone uses it is just to daunting! And its slightly less op as a Star but just as fun to use if not more! 2: Mega Banana, I think it would be fun if you could only throw it infront of yourself and you cant hold it behind you. Because first of all the flying animation looks pretty cool and the player that uses it has to be strategic to not throw it infront of themselves. 3: Mini mushrooms, I would see you getting two of them and having them spin around yourself like the triple items, they wont block incoming projectiles but you can bump into other player to make them smaller for a little while. And you can also just throw/drop them. And they obviously would be blue and small. 4: Pow Block, yes I hate this item but it is much more possible to dodge it. The only thing I would change is making it more rare, making the horn block able to basically block it as well, and making the shockwave and spin less bad. 5: Fake item box, if they would make the fake item box return they need to make it the same color and texture as an normal item box but just removing the question mark or rotating it upside down. (So just basically not the Wii version) 6: Ice flower: You perfectly described how i think about the Ice flower for Mario kart 8, its a very unique item with a unique effect! - Honorable mentions The coin box: basically just a very rare version of a coin and only obtainable by someone in first place. The barrel types: Like you said in the video they just cause great crazy hectic situations for the player that uses it and the players around them!
With one simple revision to the Thunder Cloud, it could be one of the most fun items in the game. *Remove the lightning.* The Thunder Cloud would *only* gives the player a speed boost, which gets transferred between racers. By doing this, you keep the hot potato gimmick but instead of fighting to get rid of it, you're fighting for it.
We can still see the cut times being added in the games since the 3rd wave release did show empty slots in the custom items in both Vs/ GP and Battle modes, so their is still hope that a couple of them will be added in the future.
I'd love if they decreased the size of the chomp a bit, made it zig and zag across the track as it lunges forward, and had a sort of "drift to try to stay in some control while at the mercy of this unleashed beast" mechanic where the better you handle, the more speed the chomp can achieve because you're less dead weight. Maybe move Bill to the Rear items and buff it a little and put Chomp in the Mid-pack set with these changes. The less predictable movements would shake things up while the drift mechanic both gives the user something to do (more like Boring Bill) and, balanced right, could be a great item for a skilled player to break out of the middles and close in on second or first place. Or it could be set up as an item that's a gamble to keep in the pocket for that grab at first during the final stretch, hoping you get long bounds forward and not piddly little hops. It just seems like it'd be fun to have an item that hybridizes Bullet Bill and Piranha Plant.
If Fake Item Box came back, there would be two versions: a red one with a delayed countdown-based explosion* and a green one that works the same way as a landmine. If Mario Kart locked juiced-up versions of existing items behind a 10-coin requirement, then I could see green FIBs be the juiced-up version of the red FIB. * Hitting a red FIB will let it land on your head. It explodes if the countdown timer exceeds zero or if you crash into another FIB, assuming you didn't jump enough times. Jump rapidly to get it off your head and let it blow up behind you. It's kinda like the POW block from MKWii and the bubble from DKR.
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@@Kilbylol you're right
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Damn I needed to know that thx for teaching me how I really needed the help even though I don't play the game
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I’m actually surprised that the Fake Item Box isn’t in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. I always loved placing those things in the air
But after 64 they had gravity applied...
I remember placing them inside real item boxes
But that item is useless. Much like the coin, it doesn’t defend you, it’s even worse than the coin because at least the coin gives you more speed.
The fake item box wouldn’t fool anyone. Who would hit a fake item box thinking it’s real? Unless it’s completely covering a real box, which it’s very hard to place there.
@@WritingCountingOriginal The banana also doesn't fool anyone, should it get cut from the game?
The point of obstacles is literally just being obstacles. Blocking parts of the road, that's it, and the fake box does that better than the banana since it's bigger and has longer hitstun (which even stops all momentum, unlike the banana)
It's obviously not the best item in the game or anything but the point of first place items is not to be the strongest. I for one would appreciate seeing some more variety in what pops up in first place
Also it's not difficult at all to just drop the fake box right after a real one
@@SmashSSL What i'm saying is there are better items they could add than the fake item box. We don't need more items that will act only as obstacles. They could add the Yoshi's egg item and that would do a better job putting more obstacles on the track after it breaks.
Honestly, if the Thunder Cloud were to ever return, I want it to be a battle mode exclusive item. It would’ve worked WAY better in Battle Mode than in ACTUAL races.
It would also make a great new game mode, sort of like the opposite of the shine thief battle mode where if someone has the cloud for more than a certain amount of time they get eliminated and it keeps going until there's only one person left with the time getting shorter each round.
I like that idea, imagine a hot potato battle mode with a thunder cloud on a small battle course like cookie land
I don't think so, it works in every style of gameplay.
@@NixityNulltYooooo, that would be a cool new mode.
@@NixityNullt that is literally just a game of Hot Potato
One thing he didn’t mention about the giant banana is that once you get hit by it, it turns into 3 regular bananas
In that case, I might not mind this addition
Also the Bowser Shell is able to damage multiple targets before breaking
ya he shoed that in the vid
Instead of being a fake item box, maybe do a fake coin. The placement of using these are more ideal compared to a fake item box since item boxes are normally in rows & not in random places. Plus they can look similar to a coin but a darker yellow & an X on the coin & not a line.
Ohhhhh I like this idea a lot!
And maybe spin in the opposit direction.
That's actually clever
Why not both?
@@Odyssey_Central Hot take of mine:
I think every item in the series should return (at least for offline play) now that players can select which items appear. If you don't like an item, you can turn it off.
Say what you want about which items sucked, but I think they should all be an option for offline play for those who want to experiment with them.
Also, two changes I'd make to thunder clouds: I'd have them able to be detonated when the player tells it to go, and I'd have the thunderbolt go for the length of time of whatever place you are in when it strikes you (whether you are in first or last, it lasted the length of a first place lightning bolt).
Good video by the way!
The FIB was REALLY underrated in Wii. It was easily the best trap item because of its massive hit box and the way it destroyed all momentum. Combine that with the occasional blind corner or risky shortcut and you’ve got an amazing way to break away from the pack
It wasn’t underrated. It was just good.
That’s why I miss them, they were very fun, and much better than nothing *stares at the Coins
Also the fact that they can't block red shells adds some more tension to first place and balances it further. Imo they shouldn't have changed the first place items after wii. (Or if there was a game that did that before)
For some reason I read that as FBI
Yeah, while I did like it as a more offensive, less defensive alternative to the banana peel, the fact that it was dark red in Wii completely defeats it's intended purpose. At least in Double Dash, it was smaller, a lighter shade of red, and disguised it's colors from a distance a little better, so it was a _little_ harder to tell apart from a real one in that game.
It's also worth mentioning that some items that did returned in Tour got changes.
Mega Mushroom- now gives you one hit point instead of unlimited
Super Leaf- Let's you hover for a short while and collects coins
Does the Super Leaf still let you swing the tail around?
@@cjlite0210 The Super Leaf's tail swings automatically. It spins while you hover, and hits anyone who's caught in the commotion
@@jaredarenas7542 oh nice! I really hope it gets into MK8DX, it was my favorite item from Mario Kart 7 because of the motif alone!
also the hearts dont steal an item anymore and you only get one in tour
Also,
Bowser shell- Travels along the path of the track
Big Banana- Splits into 3 when hit (though that might be in double dash)
Fire flower- Splits into 3 fireballs in 1 shot (similar to fireball in double dash or the ice flower... also frenzy mode is closer to mk8)
Heart- Summons 1 heart instead of 2
If the lightning cloud was brought back and could be detonated whenever you want instead of as soon as you get it, I think it would be a pretty cool item. It would be like a game of hot potato but there’s a reason to hold on to the potato for a bit. It'd be fun to see someone use the cloud for a while, then pass it on to someone else while just before it blows up.
yea i think this item gets too much hate. its personally one of my favorites
i think it should be a gamemode or something
I prefer the way competitive modders changed them to give you mega mushroom ability instead of shrinking you, so rather than you trying to drive into other players, you have to avoid other players trying to take your powerup
The player who obtains it should definitely be able to decide when to activate it. They should get a timer when activated, like piranha plant or fire flower, so they can plan the right time to pass it on.
I totally agree
It's also very cute
I think the Dash Ring would be a really funny addition if they didn't make it have set locations. The fact that other players can use it and it spawns in front of you can make them into obstacles if used right, like you can make other players crash straight into walls or off ledges.
I feel like the problem with Mario Kart is that there's too many offensive items that doesn't make you get further ahead, but instead brakes the pack so you can catch up to them. This results in the leader being more safe from everyone, while everyone are slowing down eachother.
So Mario Kart should preferably add more items that makes you get ahead more. Giant mushroom, which is an offensive item, but it gives you a speed boost. The hearts, which is a defensive item. Then I think I once suggested a launch star. You activate it, and you stop fully, you aim, then you fly forward hitting people and item out of the way. You can't control the speed boost, so use it in a good spot. It's also offensive, but still gives you a speed boost. Have it be an item for 8+ and have it give you a massive boost.
This is it entirely, and is even partially why Blue Shells fail as they punish the user, person hit, and rewards the person in 2nd all while everyone around the user gets offensive or speed items.
You should bring people up to 1st, not bring 1st down. All bringing people does is make everyone suffer but if you bring everyone up and feel like you're going fast it feels like you have a chance and are catching up. It creates the speed and excitement of racing.
The biggest problem is that Items often dont matter, bc like you are in 10th place with a star and 3 shrooms and like 5 other players have the same...
I love that when you get hit with the ice flower it freezes you like how you would get frozen in Mario Kart Double Dash
omg yes!! i was wondering why the freezing felt familiar lol
when do you get frozen in Double Dash?
@@MarvelousButter Ice enemies from Sherbet Land
The Fake Item Box is my favorite Mario Kart item and I _really_ hope it is brought back. I actually think it could be reworked to be more useful. Instead of acting like a simple banana, when a player drives into it, it will act like a Lightning, shrinking the player for a while. This way it will not just be a worse Banana Peel and it'd have a much more interesting function
That’s a pretty good buff to the Fake Item Box (or a FIB for short). One more change I’d like to see for the FIB is to have it look somewhat similar to regular item boxes, but with a couple differences. Instead of not being being red like in Double Dash and Wii, have it look like an actual item box with an upside down question mark like in 64, and have it not spin like in DS.
@@Sully_2345 Yeah that'd definitely make it far more useful. Though I am a big fan of the red look lol
Mankalor actually has a decent way to bring the Fake Item Box back: th-cam.com/video/wgfY_nFRQUE/w-d-xo.html
Kinda like mini mushroom from smk
FIB is not a worse banana, it would actually be insanely useful in MK8D. The item balance currently doesn’t allow for much trapping, in 99% of the cases it is better to keep a banana behind you instead of placing it down. A FIB forces you to place it down somewhere, encouraging offence over defence. In the current item balance, FIBs as they were in MKWii would be amazing.
I would love if the fake item box shrinked enemies who touched it just like the poison mushroom. It would be a nice reference and it already has sparks on games like Wii and Double Dash.
@C: like Bowser in Mario Party Superstars when he forces you to buy a poison mushroom for 20 coins (I'm not sure about the price, but you get it). Yeah, that could work
Fake Item Box that only gives poisons mushrooms and thunderclouuds
@@crazycap2945 lol
@C: Better, what if, it takes your items, disappears for 3 seconds and then returns as a real item box with your own item (and maybe a little icon so the playing who picked it up knows who they stole it from for extra laughs)
@C: oh like the SRB2 kart game
Definitely alone but I always loved how chaotic & doubled edged the Thunsercloud was
Yesssss
Yeah it definitely made Mario kart wii a lot more competitive than Mario kart 8, which is a lot more fun. I feel like Mario kart 8 is too easy to stay ahead without items like that.
I just wanted to tell you two small things you missed: the *massive* banana in double dash when broken, releases small bananas.
And the pow block only affects players in front of you
(and also, what if you could just activate the cloud yourself? Then I'd imagine it could be really cool, since you get to choose)
a big reason why i always disliked the leaf is that if you activate it instantly, by the time you reach the next item boxes its still active, preventing you from picking up a new item. then the leaf runs out shortly after passing the item boxes, meaning youre defenceless since the person behind you is certainly gonna get an item.
Another cut video these are quickly becoming my favorite type of videos, great series!
Mario Kart DS actually did have one unique item: the Real Item Box. You could only get this item in Battle Mode, and only after you'd been eliminated.
It's only gonna come back if they add a Last Man Standing option to 8 Deluxe.
What was that again? Sounds just like an item box to me
@@geschnitztekiste4111 It is an Item Box.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 When you were eliminated, you turned into a ghost. This allowed you to drop (or just keep behind you cuz funny) item boxes and influence the match.
@@Houtblokje Ooohh That’s cool
5:58 one thing to consider is that the chain chomp was in Mario Kart Live Home Circuit surprisingly
Unpopular Opinion: Thunder Cloud was one of the coolest and most interesting items in MK. The second you get it, the adrenaline that gets pumped through you is amazing. That heart racing feeling as you rush to slam your kart into another person to give them the same rush you had. It's the perfect chaos item and I have no idea why people hate it so much
5:41-5:56 You forgot to mention that it splits into 3 more bananas after running into it
It’s been mentioned many times in the comment section already. No need to clutter it up even more. 🙄
@@yordansic Well I didn't see any comments about that when I commented
@@micahheyward5342 That's on you. 🙄
I miss the Fake Item Box so much. It’s my fav MK item.
I even used Tour’s feature suggestion box to ask them to bring it back lol
I know the chain chomp was used in Double Dash, but the Mariokart Live: Home Circuit chain chomp is different and should be mentioned even though it was made after 8 Deluxe
The mega mushroom is really the only item that I really want. It's so fun to use and it protects you from a shock as well.
Every mainline Mario kart game has either Rainbow Road SNES or Fake Item Box but never both
Mario Kart needs a box item that traps racers.
Also the quality of your videos is slowly getting better, great job!
I think if the tanooki leaf it should be a battle mode exclusive
I think the Giant Banana from DK and DK also drops 3 smaller bananas when you get hit by it right? It also doesn't get destroyed by shells.
The main difference between a Bullet Bill and Chain-Chomp is indeed the bullet bill makes you invulnerable. But the chain chomp goes down the track after the chain breaks, potentially hitting more enemies ahead of you. And also, the fancy music, dang.
I am irrationally triggered by you not mentioning the invisible mushroom
OK, so a few things u either forgot to mention or were mistakes:
Tanooki Leaf: In Mario kart tour, it acts like the feather letting u hover and to my knowledge has no impact on other racers. The only real use in 8 would be to attract coins. Obviously this would be the version they use so not likely.
Mega Mushroom: In Tour, it acts like a star but with no off road invincibility and it only let's u tank 1 hit before u shrink back to normal size. Idk how this would change ur opinion but just thought I should mention it. Also doesn't let u shrink people, instead doing the knockback that a shell would
Heart: In Tour, it doesn't let u steal the item once u hit. Don't know how this would change ur opinion on whether its coming or not but I think it heavily reduces its chances.
Bowser Shell: In Tour, u are able to hold it behind u and if anything hits the bowser shell whilst it's behind u, it shrinks. U didn't, mention it so thought i should put it here.
Giant Banana: When u run into it, it splits into 3 smaller bananas. U didn't mention it so I thought I should put it here.
Bubble: It actually acts more like a star with u being immune to offroad however u are immune to one hit. U can steer the kart still but can't drift and pop the bubble at anytime by tapping the screen in tour (so mashing the item button in 8) to end the item early. I think this description shows off more important and unique traits about it which weren't in the video.
Ice Flower: In Mario Kart Tour, the frenzy version of the fire balls acts like mk8's fire flower. This is the same for the ice flower so it might act like this in 8.
Overall, rlly enjoyed the video but also hope this comment helps clear up the mistakes/stuff not mentioned for some reason 😊
i honestly have always thought the pow block was underrated. its main purpose in online play isnt necessarily to screw people over, because the dodging mechanic is pretty well known, but the fact that it gets rid of the players items is pretty powerful, all things considered. its a far more strategic item than people give it credit for
Except it fails at it because the person who got it lost their item, no mushroom to catch up or lightning to catch up. Instead people just lose their items and nothing changes.
Realistically what can you do with it unless you have a 2nd player you're talking with to exploit it?
@@Buglin_Burger7878Not to mention it can be avoided if you are airborne. Just look at how often you're airborne in Wii.
I don't mind seeing the Fake Item Box and the Mega Mushroom coming back to 8 Deluxe.
Fire Doctor Mario? FIRE Doctor Mario? I don't know whether he should be arrested for malpractice or arson.
The thing that makes the bubble so good is the fact that you can steer and you can turn sharper than when normally driving, and that’s what makes it so good, you can go over any off road and it lasts quite a while if you don’t get hit, so you can take a lot of shortcuts
5:26 Cool Bowser Jumpscare.
My fucking heart stopped
I genuinely think the thunder cloud could be one of the most enjoyable/funnest moments if it is balanced propperly (wich i dont think should be too hard) it has great comeback potential and it keeps the top 4 really on their those when they see it approaching
5:07 yeah that was weird, Dream Land 1, Mario Land 2, Wario Land 3, and Mario Advance 4. I don’t think Nintendo knows how to count.
I’ve always wanted the Bowser Shell and Yoshi Egg to come back, they were absolute chaos inducers
Hey bro the vid was amazing. Thank you for covering items!
If the Super Bell does make it into the game they should simply make it a reskin of the Super Horn that replaces it in tracks that relate to bells in some way, like Super Bell Subway or Animal Crossing
Ice Flower definitely feels like the most essential. Call it the Penguin Suit if you want to be “new”
Thinking about it I could see two items come in due to the new item list having two empty slots so it'd make sense to fill just those two to even out the board
Fun fact:
The chain chomp was originally going to return in MKDS as there is an item sprite and minimap sprite of the chain chomp.
You can even actually get it to load as an item in the beta version but using it just crashes the game.
I feel like if they included the yoshi egg as a new item in a future game it'd function more like a shield. Like you get encased and roll around for a few seconds immune to all damage. You can even use it to bypass small gaps or low rail abstractions for a short cut.
Dude, your writing is getting better and better everytime holy crap
What I like is the mega thundercloud mod from Mario Kart Wii which turns into a mega mushroom at the end of the time instead of shrinking you, so you want to keep it and others want to bump into you to get it.
That’s too much power xd, the Cloud already gives you a speed boost while it hovers above you
@@dustymcwari4468not it the arcade version
@@death2641 no one's talking about the arcade games, and I think other items also work differently there
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Remember kids every mario kart game has either snes rainbow road or fake item boxes
Never both
imo the fake item box's primary function in earlier games was to give chaining items in 1st a risk. you can drop your green shell/banana behind you for a chance at hitting 2nd and breaking away further, but there's always a chance that you'll get a fib and end up with no protection when you need it
the coin already serves this purpose in 8dx, and having two items in the 1st-place roulette that can't be used defensively honestly sounds frustrating. unless item chances got a significant rebalance accompanying its appearance, i'd honestly prefer if it remained absent
Screw the Tanooki, that is the one item that prevents me from saying MK7 had a perfect Item List. That item sucks so bad.
MK8DX just keeps solidifying itself as the best Mario Kart game more and more
I never even knew the lightning cloud gave a speed boost..I only remember it as the item that'd randomly be passed onto you shocking you lol
I'd actually love to see it returned! Maybe they could give it a warning cue to let you know it'll shock soon (like maybe the cloud slowly turns black, and once black it shocks whoever is holding it). It sucks when you get bumped and passed onto only to get zapped but it'd be a really interesting item to spice up gameplay.
i think the "negative" items you mentioned from the wii like thundercloud and pow, (besides pow because i never had any issues with it to dislike it nor like it) the thindercloud had a certain fun to it. and i would love to see it again, even only if in minigame modes. people say they want mario kart to get harder yet completely disregard those things that do.
yes its annoying, but its literally supposed to be. thats the fun, passing it over to other people, maybe they hit you again and its a hot potato kind of thing. things to actually make the game more interesting rather than it being the easiest thing to get 1st once you know a track.
You don’t understand. The Fake Item Box SHOULDN’T be brought back. Every game has EITHER the Fake Item Box OR SNES Rainbow Road. We already have SNES Rainbow Road in 8 Deluxe, so if the Fake Item Box got added, it would most likely rip a hole in the space-time continuum so big you could fit your ego through it.
Most players eventually learn where the real item spots are so fake items essentially become reskined bananas
One odd way that i saw the thundercloud be made better is that if kept all the way or say "snagged" from another racer at the last moment it makes the racer giant.
So if you keep it, you get giant, but if you steal it, you get giant ...?
@@Liggliluff ok, perhaps more like if you keep yours all the way and no one steals it, you get giant and that if its snatched into you by another player then it shrinks you, or perhaps whichever it does is somewhat Random.
The FIB is a great Item. Really shocking it hasn't returned. It might be some day but who knows. Great video. Just subscribed.
the dash rings actually use the same pathing as bullet bills i believe so it could actually work. i think this item would be really cool if it boosted players in the back more. i want more items in mario kart that encourage helping not just yourself but people behind you. could especially make items in first place more interesting
The Dash Ring might be placing its rings on the invisible Bullet Bill rail track - something already built into every race track.
The Thunder cloud is honestly fun as an idea
Risk reward
A ticking time bomb that gives you speed for the duration, wich you can pass to other players
Make it not auto activate and maybe buff the speed slightly and it would be quite
i feel like the thunder cloud could come back as a battle mode exclusive, it could be like a fun reverse mode of shine thief where your trying to avoid the player with item rather than chase them
I know how to avoid fake item boxes because they aren’t placed where normal boxes are.
I will still hope they will add more items to the game
Fake Item Box needs to come back
While you can dodge a pow by hopping it's frame perfect.
For some reason dodging the pow is done by shaking the controller up rather than hopping
The dash rings would be great in team matches actually (only boosts teammates)
Rip fake item box. It was fun placing you on top of real item boxes.
honestly, I would much prefer a mario kart game where instead of the lightning bolt it was only the pow block but with around the same spawn chance, it can be meaningfully be played around while still being kind of hard to dodge and actually relates to the wider mario IP
The POW Block should've been what the Super Horn is today, a blue shell counter. It would've been so much better if it sent out 3 shockwaves around the player, destroying anything it touches.
Agreed. But instead, the POW Block is a watered down Lightning that shows up way too often and only affects grounded racers.
I like the obnoxiously obvious fake item box because it gives 1st place more to think about than "I got a coin i'm fucked"
you can still use them as obstacles, and important defend against second place if they're close behind
they don't defend against other items because they are meant to force first place into a more aggressive play style
If they wanted to bring back the chain chomp and make it different from the bullet bill and pirahna plant, they could have it so that you become tethered to the nearest opponent, with the chain tripping up karts that attempt to pass through it
I LOVED the thundercloud, it made you go so frantic and allowed for different play. Its like hot potato in a racing game!
5:28 Petition for this to be the replacement of rickrolling
😂😂😂
I cant believe you forgot all the arcade cabinet exclusives
Seeing the plush Bowser video play in the background, of almost every video of yours, is really fun XD.
Am I the only one who thinks they’ll bring back some new Kart parts with Birdo? Idk just a gut feeling.
How about optional item alternatives? Either as bonus slots you can pick from during kart selection; or as character-exclusives like in Double Dash; or as course-exclusives. For instance (optionally) being able to convert all (or some) red shells in Yoshi's Circuit to Yoshi's Eggs; or make all bananas become giant at DK Jungle. This adds some chaotic fun to casual races, and can be turned off in competitive races.
If a bonus slot during kart selection to further customize your kart, this might compete with passive bonuses such as an ability that says "when you are hit by an item, you gain a coin" or "you gain 5 bonus points if you end a race in second place" or such.
I absolutely love the thinder cloud, it's an amazing idea that is just poorly executed
I think you could balance the banana bunch the same way that they balanced triple-bananas in Mario Kart DS. You are allowed to use the bananas offensively multiple times, placing them on the track to hit opponents. But defensively? You can only use it once. If you get hit by a shell, you lose ALL of your bananas.
I'm pretty sure that's literally how the Banana Bunch worked in MK64.
The Heart and the Super Leaf works different in Tour.
The heart no longer picks up the item that hits you and the Super Leaf spawns a tanooki tail that spins around you and makes you float a bit.
8:05 sounds like a skill issue. It adds so much craziness to races and it is good for a final lap clutch with the speed boost.
Why no one is talking of how SCARY 5:30 is for earphone viewers? I almost throw my phone to the floor🤣🤣🤣
Man, imagine if the DLC had items being re-added? That would be so amazing! Also the Pow Block and Thundercloud being "bad luck" items actually changed up gameplay in a interesting way, I know they're annoying and penalized you as well until you do something about it, but it adds to the fun and frustration, everybody hates Blue Shells, but also love them for that.
i cannot believe you forgot to mention the FIB was in mk7, expect a very angry letter in your mailbox shortly
The Fake Item Box was planned to be in Mario Kart 7 alongside the Mega Mushroom, but was scrapped.
The fake item box may be useless but I love it like a son.
The POW block is actually often good in a strategic sense.
Ask any competitive Mario Kart Wii player, and they'll tell you the POW block is one of the most strategic items in the entire franchise. Yes, it's true that you can avoid losing speed by doing a wheelie/up tricking at the right moment, but its negative effects can still be two-fold. For one, the players in front of you will still drop any items (or be forced to spam at a possibly very inconvenient time) they could have used to do a shortcut or use strategically otherwise. And the other thing that I'd argue makes it an even more useful item is that when you trick to avoid losing your speed, if the POW gets your opponents on a corner, they'll end up in really awkward off-road positions or even fall off the track. So it's definitely a much better item than people give it credit for. To be fair of course, getting one as your last item on a track like N64 Mario Raceway when everyone behind you has speed items to do the shortcut does leave you feeling pretty helpless (I may or may not be speaking from experience here lmao)
You can also do all of that with lightning. Lightning which also slows them down and shrinks them.
@@Buglin_Burger7878Lightning hits airborne racers, whereas the POW Block does not.
Vastly unpopular opinion that will likely get me extorted but the Thundercloud would actually be perfect for MK8. The reason it sucked in MKWii is it did NOT work as intended. It was supposed to be a “hot potato” item you pass to others, but the game never considers you might not even be around other racers, making the item a giant middle finger. MK8 however, has a much more intricately designed item system. It considers how far apart racers are with the intent of keeping the pack clustered (this is why you can sometimes pull ridiculous items like the Star, Golden, or Bullet Bill in third or even second if first place has a massive lead). So with that in mind, the Thundercloud could actually do as intended. Plus, bumping is far more frequent in MK8 as compared to MKWii. The thin frame of bikes made it hard to pass in Wii; MK8 has bulkier karts and even encourages bumping with the anti-gravity sections. I know being on the receiving end of this thing is never fun, but I think it could work in the right setting.
Yea I'd imagine it would work better in MK8, probably would be most likely to be gotten as a middle-front person in the race; like not one of the top 3 spots but not dead mid or last, a place where people are more likely to be closer to other players and it'd work as a short boost to help gun it for 1st
Some of the items that returned to tour actually changed how they operated. The tail, for example, acts as a tornado that spins around your kart for a few seconds, the fire flower acts like the double dash version, the heart only protects you and doesn’t give you the item that hit you, etc
I think the fake item cube should be revamped so that if you break a real one and then immediately use the fake one the real one gets replaced for a few seconds. The first cube hit changes.
You also forgot possibly the main feature of the Giant Banana: When a racer runs over it, more bananas come out (but I think this was only in Tour)
This was/is in Double Dash as well.
You forgot to mention the giant banana spawns regular ones on hit
i like the idea of the ice flower, in mario kart double dash one of my favorite things to do was try to push people into the "ice bergs" so they would freeze and slide out
I would love to see special items in the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- My top 6 (in no particular order)
1: Mega mushroom, personally my favorite item from Wii because the song it plays when someone uses it is just to daunting!
And its slightly less op as a Star but just as fun to use if not more!
2: Mega Banana, I think it would be fun if you could only throw it infront of yourself and you cant hold it behind you.
Because first of all the flying animation looks pretty cool and the player that uses it has to be strategic to not throw it infront of themselves.
3: Mini mushrooms, I would see you getting two of them and having them spin around yourself like the triple items, they wont block incoming projectiles but you can bump into other player to make them smaller for a little while. And you can also just throw/drop them.
And they obviously would be blue and small.
4: Pow Block, yes I hate this item but it is much more possible to dodge it.
The only thing I would change is making it more rare, making the horn block able to basically block it as well, and making the shockwave and spin less bad.
5: Fake item box, if they would make the fake item box return they need to make it the same color and texture as an normal item box but just removing the question mark or rotating it upside down.
(So just basically not the Wii version)
6: Ice flower: You perfectly described how i think about the Ice flower for Mario kart 8, its a very unique item with a unique effect!
- Honorable mentions
The coin box: basically just a very rare version of a coin and only obtainable by someone in first place.
The barrel types: Like you said in the video they just cause great crazy hectic situations for the player that uses it and the players around them!
With one simple revision to the Thunder Cloud, it could be one of the most fun items in the game.
*Remove the lightning.*
The Thunder Cloud would *only* gives the player a speed boost, which gets transferred between racers. By doing this, you keep the hot potato gimmick but instead of fighting to get rid of it, you're fighting for it.
Odyssey central in the other video: dumb mechanic glad it never came back
Odyssey central here: it was so fun
HUH?
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5:29 LMAO THE BEST AD TIMING
Mario Kart Live Home Circuit had both the Chain Chomp and the Bullet Bill so I’d love to see the Chain Chomp come back.
We can still see the cut times being added in the games since the 3rd wave release did show empty slots in the custom items in both Vs/ GP and Battle modes, so their is still hope that a couple of them will be added in the future.
If we got the CTGP thundercloud aka the Mega thundercloud then maybe it could join Mario kart, but I don't see that happening.
I'd love if they decreased the size of the chomp a bit, made it zig and zag across the track as it lunges forward, and had a sort of "drift to try to stay in some control while at the mercy of this unleashed beast" mechanic where the better you handle, the more speed the chomp can achieve because you're less dead weight. Maybe move Bill to the Rear items and buff it a little and put Chomp in the Mid-pack set with these changes. The less predictable movements would shake things up while the drift mechanic both gives the user something to do (more like Boring Bill) and, balanced right, could be a great item for a skilled player to break out of the middles and close in on second or first place. Or it could be set up as an item that's a gamble to keep in the pocket for that grab at first during the final stretch, hoping you get long bounds forward and not piddly little hops. It just seems like it'd be fun to have an item that hybridizes Bullet Bill and Piranha Plant.
If Fake Item Box came back, there would be two versions: a red one with a delayed countdown-based explosion* and a green one that works the same way as a landmine. If Mario Kart locked juiced-up versions of existing items behind a 10-coin requirement, then I could see green FIBs be the juiced-up version of the red FIB.
* Hitting a red FIB will let it land on your head. It explodes if the countdown timer exceeds zero or if you crash into another FIB, assuming you didn't jump enough times. Jump rapidly to get it off your head and let it blow up behind you. It's kinda like the POW block from MKWii and the bubble from DKR.