4K subs, my friend. Congratulations. Too many good choices for those of us who might have one plated trainer, at most, for the whole year. David from DOR just did a comparison between the Wave Rebellion Flash 2 and the Boston 12 and had glowing praise for the Mizuno.
thank you! you'll be happy to know i finally caved and ordered the deviate nitro 2 today since i got so many comparison requests to the velocity nitro 3. i got the water repellent version which will be super nice for this rainy NC winter
The Boston 12 really broke my heart but it's because I have an odd-shaped right heel. I really loved that shoe but there was a slight bit of slippage on my right heel and I got a mild injury after three runs. I might give the SC Trainer v2 a try.
I’m actually deciding between both shoes and the upper on the Boston is absolutely ludicrous compared to the SC Trainer ! Also, you have to work hard to get a good lockdown on the Adidas.
Would like to see how the Deviate Nitro compares to both of these. My guess it would fall into the middle of these shoes. Less cush than SC v2 and less firm and snappy than Boston 12?
man i've had so many questions come up about the deviate nitro 2 recently. this was was the last straw lol i'm gonna order a pair today and will get you a comparison video next week
The Deviate Nitro 2 might feel less snappy because of its relaxed geometry but you're probably right about the firmness. There is no break-in period on that shoe, either.
Thanks for another good video with some great info. I have a question about SC Trainer sizing. I was an 11 in the V1 and Rebel v3 - 1080v13 and Propelv4 I’m a 10.5. In another brand that you are familiar with, I’m an 11 in the Saucony Speed 3. I want to bite on the current deal but no shop in my town has the Sc Trainer in stock. What’s your best guess?
I watched your Puma Velocity video. Sure wish Puma would release Deviate in a Wide again! It seems Puma has taken on Nikes old lasts. Pegasus 39,40 are relatively anatomical having straight medial forefoot and a generous lateral flare. Puma seems to taper the forefoot on both sides making it an arrow as you suggested. Ive never been a Nike guy always a Brooks the Ghost though got way too high with drop...if Pegasus is a 10mm drop Brooks is a 15mm drop(perceived&felt on run)but if someone has the ability to change their lasts its Nike.
yeah the new pumas are quite narrow. brooks is tight too (hyperion max was a little squeeze for me) but new balance has done a good job recently making wider toe boxes and more roomier uppers like in the 1080v13, rebelv3 and here in the sc trainer. i'm super curious to see how the new 880v14 compares to the peg, velocity nitro 3 etc as a simple daily trainer
How about fit? I have SC v2 in a 10.5 wide but never wore adidas. Anyone know about sizing for the Boston 12 I can maybe try? Is it true, or half size up for wide? Thanks!
i have both of these shoes in 10.5 (not wide) which is my normal size and they are both comfortable for me. i would go true to size. for my full thoughts on fit comparing toe box etc check out 10:12 in this video
I haven't had that issue in the Boston 12 and it's at 250+ miles. I also have the Takumi Sen at 100+ miles (but some pretty tough miles nearly all at 10k pace or faster with a half marathon race in there) and no issues with rods breaking in that either. I've seen some other runners take the Boston 400+ and haven't reported that issue
They have a similar use case - both are super comfortable for plated shoes. But sc trainer v2 is a little more relaxed while the elite is a bit better for faster running. Neither are great for top-end speed but if you are choosing between the two for a speedy plated shoe I'd go with the elite. And trainer if you want something for comfortable long miles
If you’re just looking to complete your first marathon in around 3.30 or so and not interested in a super shoe, would the SC Trainer be at the top of the list? I.e both comfortable and somewhat propulsive. Any others to consider? Cheers!
Yes it would be a great shoe for running a marathon. I went 22 miles in it the other day at a relaxed pace which ended up being about 2:50 and it was still super comfortable at the end
yes i use regular width. i'm not sure if the sc trainer wide version has a wider last or just more room on the upper but i've heard positive things about it. i doubt any of the local stores will have it in person to try on so i would suggest ordering from running warehouse (they have a 90 day new or used return policy)
I can barely even feel the energy rods in the 12’s. I only have 42 miles on mine so far and so far I’m not loving them. Hoping they open up as others suggest.
And to be honest, I might just not be a fast enough runner for these. I bought them thinking I could use them as daily trainers and also for my first marathon in May, but not so sure about that now.
Mine started to feel good at around 50 to 70 miles. I only like them for days when I'm running fast though. I wouldn't use them as a daily trainer - I much prefer the SC Trainer v2 for more relaxed paces. Unless you're doing workouts (whatever fast running is for you, regardless of pace) they're probably not going to feel great
@@supwell Thanks, after watching your comparison of the two it became more clear to me why these aren’t really great for me. My average pace is around 9/mi. Would you say the SC 2’s would work for someone like me training for a marathon (and also something I could run the marathon in)? I’m just trying to finish, not make a certain time.
Yes the sc trainer v2 would be perfect for what you're looking for - much more forgiving and super comfortable for long runs. You could def run the race in it. Bonus it's also on sale this weekend for $122 in the red colorway I have @@CriticalThinker02
Boston upper is quite brutal, abrasive and unpleasant. Got both those shoes and prefer nb for most of my runs. Had my best marathon in it @ 2:48h so I wouldn't say its a slower shoe.
Wow, great that you did this for shoes! Can you make a show matcher site for cell phone plans now too? Number of lines, travel locations lol. I’m still thinking of the vomero 17 for a daily trainer.
hahaha i wish someone had one for internet providers. i'd do anything to switch off spectrum. and now is a good time to buy the vomero - the $128 deal on that green colorway i have is still live www.supwell.io/shoes/nike-vomero-17
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I got them both. love them both.
Same - I think they make a great pairing
4K subs, my friend. Congratulations. Too many good choices for those of us who might have one plated trainer, at most, for the whole year. David from DOR just did a comparison between the Wave Rebellion Flash 2 and the Boston 12 and had glowing praise for the Mizuno.
thank you! you'll be happy to know i finally caved and ordered the deviate nitro 2 today since i got so many comparison requests to the velocity nitro 3. i got the water repellent version which will be super nice for this rainy NC winter
@@supwell I saw the comment thread about the DN2. The weatherized version should be a great rainy day option.
Yesir! I use my "retired" cloud surfers as daily commute shoes and they are super awesome!!!
Road runner has the an other color Boston 12 for $128 but you can get 20% off if you sign up for their vip program which is free for the 1st year
The Boston 12 really broke my heart but it's because I have an odd-shaped right heel. I really loved that shoe but there was a slight bit of slippage on my right heel and I got a mild injury after three runs.
I might give the SC Trainer v2 a try.
the lockdown of the sc trainer has been much better for me than the boston 12
I’m actually deciding between both shoes and the upper on the Boston is absolutely ludicrous compared to the SC Trainer ! Also, you have to work hard to get a good lockdown on the Adidas.
Would like to see how the Deviate Nitro compares to both of these. My guess it would fall into the middle of these shoes. Less cush than SC v2 and less firm and snappy than Boston 12?
man i've had so many questions come up about the deviate nitro 2 recently. this was was the last straw lol i'm gonna order a pair today and will get you a comparison video next week
@@supwell😏😏
The Deviate Nitro 2 might feel less snappy because of its relaxed geometry but you're probably right about the firmness. There is no break-in period on that shoe, either.
Thanks for another good video with some great info. I have a question about SC Trainer sizing. I was an 11 in the V1 and Rebel v3 - 1080v13 and Propelv4 I’m a 10.5. In another brand that you are familiar with, I’m an 11 in the Saucony Speed 3. I want to bite on the current deal but no shop in my town has the Sc Trainer in stock. What’s your best guess?
i'm the same size as you - i would go 10.5
I watched your Puma Velocity video. Sure wish Puma would release Deviate in a Wide again!
It seems Puma has taken on Nikes old lasts. Pegasus 39,40 are relatively anatomical having straight medial forefoot and a generous lateral flare.
Puma seems to taper the forefoot on both sides making it an arrow as you suggested.
Ive never been a Nike guy always a Brooks the Ghost though got way too high with drop...if Pegasus is a 10mm drop Brooks is a 15mm drop(perceived&felt on run)but if someone has the ability to change their lasts its Nike.
yeah the new pumas are quite narrow. brooks is tight too (hyperion max was a little squeeze for me) but new balance has done a good job recently making wider toe boxes and more roomier uppers like in the 1080v13, rebelv3 and here in the sc trainer. i'm super curious to see how the new 880v14 compares to the peg, velocity nitro 3 etc as a simple daily trainer
How about fit? I have SC v2 in a 10.5 wide but never wore adidas. Anyone know about sizing for the Boston 12 I can maybe try? Is it true, or half size up for wide? Thanks!
i have both of these shoes in 10.5 (not wide) which is my normal size and they are both comfortable for me. i would go true to size. for my full thoughts on fit comparing toe box etc check out 10:12 in this video
Just received a pair of Boston 12s in a 12 1/2 where I sized down 1/2. It's not going to work for me, returning for the 13.
Thanks for the insight - I went true to size as well but others have had issues with their regular size. I prefer a bit more room in the toe box
same here normally i have 45, 45 1/3 suits me better. @@supwell
does the newer Adidas still have the rods snapping / breaking???
I haven't had that issue in the Boston 12 and it's at 250+ miles. I also have the Takumi Sen at 100+ miles (but some pretty tough miles nearly all at 10k pace or faster with a half marathon race in there) and no issues with rods breaking in that either. I've seen some other runners take the Boston 400+ and haven't reported that issue
Spot on review.
thank you!
Is the insole of the SC trainer removable?
Yes
How do the Trainer V2s compare to the Elite V3s which can be had on discount for roughly same price?
They have a similar use case - both are super comfortable for plated shoes. But sc trainer v2 is a little more relaxed while the elite is a bit better for faster running. Neither are great for top-end speed but if you are choosing between the two for a speedy plated shoe I'd go with the elite. And trainer if you want something for comfortable long miles
Sc trainer feels less clunky to me . Very versatile
Are the Boston 12's a unisex fit, or do they differ between men's and Woman's sizes?
they have different mens and womens sizing. i believe they are made on a different last, so the women's is a bit narrower
If you’re just looking to complete your first marathon in around 3.30 or so and not interested in a super shoe, would the SC Trainer be at the top of the list? I.e both comfortable and somewhat propulsive. Any others to consider? Cheers!
Yes it would be a great shoe for running a marathon. I went 22 miles in it the other day at a relaxed pace which ended up being about 2:50 and it was still super comfortable at the end
@@supwell Thanks mate! Great to know.
I'm assuming you're D/regular width right? Would you happen to know if the wide SC Trainer is actually wide?
yes i use regular width. i'm not sure if the sc trainer wide version has a wider last or just more room on the upper but i've heard positive things about it. i doubt any of the local stores will have it in person to try on so i would suggest ordering from running warehouse (they have a 90 day new or used return policy)
Late comment but it does come in wide.
I can barely even feel the energy rods in the 12’s. I only have 42 miles on mine so far and so far I’m not loving them. Hoping they open up as others suggest.
And to be honest, I might just not be a fast enough runner for these. I bought them thinking I could use them as daily trainers and also for my first marathon in May, but not so sure about that now.
Mine started to feel good at around 50 to 70 miles. I only like them for days when I'm running fast though. I wouldn't use them as a daily trainer - I much prefer the SC Trainer v2 for more relaxed paces. Unless you're doing workouts (whatever fast running is for you, regardless of pace) they're probably not going to feel great
@@supwell Thanks, after watching your comparison of the two it became more clear to me why these aren’t really great for me. My average pace is around 9/mi. Would you say the SC 2’s would work for someone like me training for a marathon (and also something I could run the marathon in)? I’m just trying to finish, not make a certain time.
Yes the sc trainer v2 would be perfect for what you're looking for - much more forgiving and super comfortable for long runs. You could def run the race in it. Bonus it's also on sale this weekend for $122 in the red colorway I have @@CriticalThinker02
@@supwell Great, appreciate it, Yowana.
Boston upper is quite brutal, abrasive and unpleasant. Got both those shoes and prefer nb for most of my runs. Had my best marathon in it @ 2:48h so I wouldn't say its a slower shoe.
Congrats on the 2:48 marathon PR! 💪🏽
Wow, great that you did this for shoes! Can you make a show matcher site for cell phone plans now too? Number of lines, travel locations lol. I’m still thinking of the vomero 17 for a daily trainer.
hahaha i wish someone had one for internet providers. i'd do anything to switch off spectrum. and now is a good time to buy the vomero - the $128 deal on that green colorway i have is still live www.supwell.io/shoes/nike-vomero-17
@@supwellAgreed. We have Spectrum in SoCal, too, and it sucks.
Adidas nice pleasing color.