EU4 - What if The USA Existed in 1444?

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    In this video titled EU4 - What if The USA Existed in 1444? we take a look at what would happen if The United States of America existed in 1444 / what if The USA existed at the start of EU4. In this video I created the USA by giving them all the land that they own in the present day. As you can probably guess this scenario resulted in some pretty funny shenanigans. Obviously you would expect that The USA would dominate, but did it really turn out that way? This whole run was controlled by the AI only without my interference and it yielded some pretty interesting results to be honest. So, after watching this video you will know what would happen if The United States of America existed in 1444 in Europa Universalis 4. What is the next "What if" scenario that I should do? Leave a comment below! The save file is available for all Tier 1 and above TH-cam members in the save-games Discord channel.
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  • @TheRedHawk
    @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    What is the next "What if" scenario that you would like for me to explore? Leave a comment here and join The Discord to chat with me and get the save-game if you're a TH-cam Member: discord.gg/ksDjjUhKHd

    • @hullbarrett
      @hullbarrett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What if all modern day countries/borders existed in 1444 would be cool.

    • @Laura-uj6pf
      @Laura-uj6pf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what if russia existed in 1444?

    • @lietajucemaciatko383
      @lietajucemaciatko383 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      swapping nations from North America and Europe and swapping nations from South America and Africa, it would be really interesting seeing Asian nations and Europeans (now north Americans) fight for Europe

    • @AwoudeX
      @AwoudeX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      force spawning the renaissance made this 'what if' a bit cursed if you ask me

    • @WightTsar
      @WightTsar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What if just with a random new world

  • @bowserlevx
    @bowserlevx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +449

    I wish that this was the original 13 states vs modern day borders. Would give more nations a chance at the rest of the continent

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      That’s a whole other video!

    • @numega7323
      @numega7323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Im literally doing this right now.

    • @MoldycheeseJr
      @MoldycheeseJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@TheRedHawk what if the 13 colonies existed in 1444?

  • @wilandren65
    @wilandren65 2 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    I know this isn’t much, but I really appreciate how you make sure the countries stick together. Most other people will just make the country and it will implode within a few years. It’s a small thing, but makes your videos even better

  • @henryglennon3864
    @henryglennon3864 2 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    "Idaho isn't a province, it's a wasteland."
    Yup. That tracks.

    • @seanm241
      @seanm241 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pataytas

    • @MasonGreenWeed
      @MasonGreenWeed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't change much to present day innit?

  • @FirstNameLastName-hb1fl
    @FirstNameLastName-hb1fl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    You should Do a independent Texas 1840 Borders . With 400 dev.

    • @MoldycheeseJr
      @MoldycheeseJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is such a good idea!

    • @MasonGreenWeed
      @MasonGreenWeed 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Colorado is wasteland right?

  • @murselpatpat4270
    @murselpatpat4270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    17:46 That's not that cursed.
    In 1480, Mehmed the Conqueror tasked a pasha to occupy the fort of Otranto, a small fort in Salento, Kingdom of Naples. The pasha was succesful. The next move of Mehmed the Conqueror would probably be conquering the rest of Naples, but he died just one year later. The pasha left the fort, then the Naples retook it.

    • @fyr3st0rm65
      @fyr3st0rm65 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a weird way of spelling 'blessed'.

  • @cosminivan9927
    @cosminivan9927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I can already smell the freedom

  • @thendarkendwolf8796
    @thendarkendwolf8796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Anglo saxon England.
    With claims in lower denmark and the Netherlands.

    • @elek8460
      @elek8460 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This

  • @jackal327
    @jackal327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    You can use command "embrace" to give an institution to a province without the need to develop it

  • @YourVintageStick
    @YourVintageStick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The border with Mexico at the beginning is honestly the most accurate then any other borders from the what if series

  • @Shaw4123
    @Shaw4123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    What if Austria-Hungary existed in 1444?

  • @kirpi7996
    @kirpi7996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Should've moved the Capital to Philadelphia instead as it was the capital before DC was created or you could have moved the Capital to St. Louis as there were talks in the 19th century to move it there, but it doesn't matter to much.

  • @Qwerty-ff3nk
    @Qwerty-ff3nk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    There wouldn't be search for el dorado
    but search for oil,

  • @Da__goat
    @Da__goat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I was really curious to see how much land you would give them to start; they’re basically the number one great power. This is how they manifest their destiny, lol

  • @Dykwiaornot
    @Dykwiaornot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I tried something quite nice that you might want to look into. from a empty map, build one OPN at every trade node, giving them all the same idea set. I gave them the "expand siberian frontier" traditon so the map would be filled fast; and didn't really care for the others as long as it was consistent.
    Could you make a battle royal out of this scenario?

  • @jacobgorokhovsky4677
    @jacobgorokhovsky4677 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wow, great video! You should do one with all the different American States Independent in a sort of HRE.

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good idea!

    • @galaxypl7756
      @galaxypl7756 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRedHawk one-Province Washington country would have other states as vassals/in PU

  • @The3CRock
    @The3CRock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wouldn't Philadelphia make more sense as the capital?

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yeah I thought about it tbh

    • @The3CRock
      @The3CRock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@TheRedHawk at the end of the day it doesn't affect the outcome!

    • @Tzar1
      @Tzar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would Philadelphia make more sence?

    • @antorseax9492
      @antorseax9492 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@Tzar1 It was the capital before Washington DC was made

    • @Tzar1
      @Tzar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@antorseax9492 thanks!

  • @pepegarcia8988
    @pepegarcia8988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    What if the Russian empire(with Alaska) existed in 1444

  • @BooTleg_AristoCrat
    @BooTleg_AristoCrat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    There must be a mod for revolutionary flags

    • @antorseax9492
      @antorseax9492 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There isn't, and it makes me want to die

  • @tnk4me4
    @tnk4me4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So apparently the Emperor of Mali was so rich and bored with governing that he decided to try sail across the Atlantic in the early 1300s. He even abdicated his throne to his brother to go on this adventure. So what if he did end up in South America and Mali got Brazil and la plata as colonies in 1444?

  • @ragnaroni
    @ragnaroni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This sounds OP to me, we'll see.
    Not even half-way and this looks super OP!

  • @justinreed435
    @justinreed435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Idea: What if the Ottoman Turks never left central Asia? Would be interesting to see how important the Ottomans starting position is to their power.

  • @bigpigeon2384
    @bigpigeon2384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Can’t wait for the cursed American colonial empire

    • @jamestalbert3951
      @jamestalbert3951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Its real, 1856 to present 😳

    • @zkatom3773
      @zkatom3773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jamestalbert3951 no

    • @Nordisk11
      @Nordisk11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fair, we did used to own the Philippines and have a few overseas territories as well. Hell, one of our states is a very large exclave.

    • @jamestalbert3951
      @jamestalbert3951 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nordisk11 We definitely still do have a lot of oversees territories that do not have state status as well. Take Guam, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, etc etc...

  • @Laura-uj6pf
    @Laura-uj6pf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    these are the true United States of AMERICA

  • @watchedyew1027
    @watchedyew1027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be nice to see a video with a bunch of smaller nations like the netherlands, silesia, pomerania, hanover, swabia, hawai'i, armenia, ireland, etc.
    Just to see if anything big changes.

  • @dmitryanderson2242
    @dmitryanderson2242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:28 - gold mines, they want gold mines

  • @edgarbm6407
    @edgarbm6407 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It makes sense for the US to be going to South America. They're following the trade network
    Cuiaba -> Lima -> Panama -> Caribbean -> Chesapeake

  • @ykoyko655
    @ykoyko655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now this america saw the The red hawk's eu4 subreddit video and they were playing with the monitor on its side to go super tall

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if at the same time, all colonial nations existed in their minimum extension. Or at their biggest with the Europeans as well

  • @unc54
    @unc54 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sounds like the Monroe Doctrine in effect

  • @gheorghitaalsunculitei9146
    @gheorghitaalsunculitei9146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    22:32 Serbia is Muslim while Bosnia and Kosovo are Christian :)))

  • @irmaosmatos4026
    @irmaosmatos4026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What if Mexico existed in 1444

  • @lordhades8515
    @lordhades8515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If anyone sees this, should I buy EU4, and if I do what DLC should I get? I already have hoi4 vic2 and ck3

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Of course, get art of war, common sense and emperor, those are the top 3 must have DLCs according to me

    • @lordhades8515
      @lordhades8515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheRedHawk alright, thanks for the advice and thanks for the reply. I’ll be buying it ASAP :D I’m loving your content so keep uploading (tho don’t tire yourself out)

    • @edgarratsep3631
      @edgarratsep3631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      getting the game and all dlcs with 50% discount is around 250eu/bucks, so yeah, get the subscription without being scared of spending big money

    • @lordhades8515
      @lordhades8515 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edgarratsep3631 thanks for the advice everyone I’ll look to get it as cheap as possible

    • @KixSlim
      @KixSlim 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Buy the game for like less than $5, use cracked dlc on a legit steam copy :)

  • @MrTohawk
    @MrTohawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You shouldn't have spawned any new Institutions for them.

  • @lvxingzhe2718
    @lvxingzhe2718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you do Ming Chinese border next please?

  • @MCKevin289
    @MCKevin289 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s really cursed is Portugal being ruled by a Tudor and the heir of England being a Habsburg.

  • @pan_ryba9710
    @pan_ryba9710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pretty shure that there was a vid like that in the past

  • @DondarfSnowbonk
    @DondarfSnowbonk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It might be interesting to do full modern-day borders in the Americas vs. vanilla rest of the world

  • @xzardas541
    @xzardas541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Castile taking Venice as an ally seems to be standard now for some reason.
    In general Castile/Spain is total asshole when you play as poland/hungary/austria, to the point that they ally otomans when you have both of them as rivals.
    From all the changes of origins DLC, AI being total troll is most interesting.

  • @Chris-jc4zv
    @Chris-jc4zv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    EU4 - What if Red finally did the Denmark guide?

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do what if Rome Established the 13 Colonies with the Extended timeline mod.

  • @MrTohawk
    @MrTohawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If someone takes over Rome could you show where else the pope pops up?

  • @abdalla5469
    @abdalla5469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The caliphate in 1444 i think it will be good scenario

  • @lucius6639
    @lucius6639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This somewhat resembles a multiplayer lobby

  • @JoboGamezzz
    @JoboGamezzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    what about peak japan in eu4?

  • @lemme_c_ur_buns9102
    @lemme_c_ur_buns9102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The best timeline, Pan American States and L shaped Portugal

  • @whitespace7348
    @whitespace7348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brittany did remarkably well. The AI brittany is always too inept in my games to colonize.

  • @andreaperotti3078
    @andreaperotti3078 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we have a what if Nubia was united pls
    Unfortunally there is not nothing special about the region but the history of the region may compensate for it

  • @Zorkk66
    @Zorkk66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    do the british empire that would be very intresting

  • @allensazama2955
    @allensazama2955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    wait could you do alexanders empire?

  • @robson1566
    @robson1566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "What if the USA existed in 1444?"
    **MANIFEST DESTINY INTENSIFIES**

  • @frostyguy1989
    @frostyguy1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Landshut inheriting Burgundy is nothing. In my Vijayanagar game, Saxe Lauenburg inherited them. A one province minor.

    • @galaxypl7756
      @galaxypl7756 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my game Poland became emperor, inherited burgundy and then lost the title

    • @ramp597
      @ramp597 ปีที่แล้ว

      And I thought britanny getting them was cursed

  • @westleah5000
    @westleah5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    *Estreito de Darién:* (14:15) A construção do Canal do Panamá foi uma cisão entre as duas Américas, as gêmeas siamesas representadas na geografia. Isso significa que, se os EUA morrerem, o Brasil não precisa morrer junto junto com eles. A cisão foi possível porque não houve muita oxigenação naquela região.

  • @chuckdavis1359
    @chuckdavis1359 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should put this in Vic 2

  • @usaygaming9555
    @usaygaming9555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The virgin islands depicted are actually St. Croix on bottom, St. Thomas on left, and St. John on right, making them all US islands

  • @samosmapper9687
    @samosmapper9687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It being in the seventeenth century and France bordering Granada is just crazy

  • @_kitaes_
    @_kitaes_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if Soviet union existed in 1444 (1946)

  • @MASKarade25
    @MASKarade25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One critique, capital of the us was Philadelphia before Washington so it should have been there

  • @cedricl.marquard6273
    @cedricl.marquard6273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Prediction: The AI will find a way to fuck this up

  • @uniongrob8194
    @uniongrob8194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it would be nice if you transfered this game to victoria 2

  • @lilmurt3843
    @lilmurt3843 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    me watching this video from 2 years ago at 4 AM.... 😂

  • @jearimusmonke7605
    @jearimusmonke7605 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you try what if the Philippines existed in 1444?

  • @Kanary2024
    @Kanary2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if skanderbeg never died?

    • @ramp597
      @ramp597 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Albania back to its historical borders(earth)

  • @respecct7234
    @respecct7234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What if Russia existed in 1444

  • @the_last.satrap6064
    @the_last.satrap6064 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Star spanked World...

  • @personperson6750
    @personperson6750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    could you do mexico

  • @WhittyWhitts
    @WhittyWhitts 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about “What if the CSA existed in 1444?”

  • @foisopracurtir6389
    @foisopracurtir6389 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know it is late, but I guess that they took the world

  • @jFig88
    @jFig88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you forgot to give them wake island

  • @oleandre_7816
    @oleandre_7816 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Manifest desitiny intensifies

  • @JoboGamezzz
    @JoboGamezzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    come lets getem to 100k

  • @Trzmiel2x
    @Trzmiel2x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe what if mughals existed in 1444. ( their biggest borders)

  • @zkatom3773
    @zkatom3773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This playthrough is based

  • @javierduenasjimenez7930
    @javierduenasjimenez7930 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tusa in 1444?😳

  • @TheDeathOmen
    @TheDeathOmen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if Yugoslavia existed in 1444

  • @LemonAiden
    @LemonAiden 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The US really enforced the Monroe Doctrine huh..

  • @argus4650
    @argus4650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh yeah sweet, sweet Manifest Destiny 🤤

  • @adwans1491
    @adwans1491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seeing this video i asked myself
    -What if the Ottoman Empire excisted in 1444?

    • @Podzhagitel
      @Podzhagitel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ottomans in 1444? that’s crazy talk

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lmao

    • @adwans1491
      @adwans1491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Podzhagitel ofc i mean at his highest peak man. Jesus i cant believe that i have to explain it. Isnt it obvious?

  • @Koor22
    @Koor22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Time for some early "freedom"

  • @DaviSonata
    @DaviSonata 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2022 marks the 200th anniversary of Brazil. What if 1822 Brazil, a Catholic Monarchy, existed in 1444?

  • @vejolta
    @vejolta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why wouldn't the capitol be philadelphia

    • @TheRedHawk
      @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought about it but I went with NYC anyway

    • @vejolta
      @vejolta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      See I live in Philly and hate NY, frank you

  • @bojan3081
    @bojan3081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now its only fair to do russia or china next

  • @ruskithegreat1585
    @ruskithegreat1585 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can we get a what if Russia existed in 1444?

  • @riniheryani8798
    @riniheryani8798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My prediction it dominand power

  • @thallan
    @thallan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My best wishes lay with the peoples of the middle east

    • @larochejaquelein3680
      @larochejaquelein3680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Saddam Hussein deserved to be taught a lesson by the Americans. He literally eliminated 250,000 humans (HRW), most of them Kurdish civilians. Stop believing the lies that he were supposedly a great benevolent man who cared for his people. He cared more for his golden Rolex watches than for the Kurds.

    • @thallan
      @thallan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@larochejaquelein3680 yeah, Saddam should have been put down. By a UN strikeforce. Not by an illegal invasion.

  • @Shaduc
    @Shaduc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice

  • @daved2820
    @daved2820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if the EU existed in 1444 xD

  • @MahmutHaydut
    @MahmutHaydut 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Florida?
    I talknig an other timelapse

  • @allensazama2955
    @allensazama2955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wheres the south American dictators part

  • @georgeheld1901
    @georgeheld1901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if the US will join the league wars

    • @alexandrelandel4246
      @alexandrelandel4246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think they couldn't because the capital was not in Europe. This war is a matter of geography and not religion

  • @willywonkapants7963
    @willywonkapants7963 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    'Murica!

  • @johnconnor8206
    @johnconnor8206 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why isn’t the Puerto Rico a colony

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could have Done Philadelphia or Maryland

  • @joshtaylor9626
    @joshtaylor9626 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @The Red Hawk the US isn’t Protestant in real life.

  • @galeinnight2085
    @galeinnight2085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is Kurland dominated the West Africa supremely

  • @firasayadi6951
    @firasayadi6951 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if the us and ussr existed at the same time?

  • @grant2063
    @grant2063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    prediction: USA will dominate the new world but do absolutely nothing outside of that.
    After watching was right about the USA though pretty crazy stuff in europe, Landshut Burgundy, Ottoman italy and France getting savagely picked apart, though the Brits going hard into France isnt too uncommon, they tend to pick exploration later if they still got their European land.
    Russia dying to the Hordes you dont see very often.
    Whats the next what if?

  • @Beachdudeca
    @Beachdudeca 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would have started the USA as the 13 colonies so they would not be over powered

  • @johnconnor8206
    @johnconnor8206 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:54 are you saying the us didn’t brutally conquer and genocide the natives

  • @kaisenii3821
    @kaisenii3821 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You deved usa to the extreme. Usa had far less dev than any old world european country....