EU4 - What if Europa Universalis 4 Started in 867?

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    In this video titled EU4 - What if Europa Universalis 4 Started in 867? we take a look at what would happen if EU4 had 867 borders / what if EU4 started in 867. In this video I use the Extended Timeline mod to start a campaign of EU4 in 867, the start date of Crusader Kings 3. As you can probably guess this scenario resulted in some pretty funny shenanigans. Obviously you would expect that nations with the highest development would dominate, but did it really turn out that way? This whole run was controlled by the AI only without my interference and it yielded some pretty interesting results to be honest. So, after watching this video you will know what would happen if Iberian Regions were united in 1444. What is the next "What if" scenario that I should do? Leave a comment below! The save file is available for all Tier 1 and above TH-cam members in the save-games Discord channel.
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  • @TheRedHawk
    @TheRedHawk  2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    What is the next "What if" scenario that you would like for me to explore? Leave a comment here and join The Discord to chat with me and get the save-game if you're a TH-cam Member: discord.gg/ksDjjUhKHd
    Check out more "What if" videos here: th-cam.com/play/PLsO8A6cTBgguUFeefokWu22yzjvM8VtDD.html

    • @ashwindar
      @ashwindar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Do 1066 please :) or rise of islam in the 600s (I think)

    • @dreadvoice7285
      @dreadvoice7285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do the Fall of Rome Timeline next

    • @asterixs259
      @asterixs259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The other ck3 start date

  • @R0dolphus
    @R0dolphus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    When "what would happen if eu4 started in 10000 BC"

    • @thearea51raidwasboring
      @thearea51raidwasboring 2 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      For your Tier 2 Tribal Reform, you should take "Unga Bunga Caveman Privileges"

    • @scsports7281
      @scsports7281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      @@thearea51raidwasboring I prefer curtail mammoth privileges

    • @marcgdr7038
      @marcgdr7038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is there even a mod

    • @leifkjnny5424
      @leifkjnny5424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Remember "Caveman to Cosmos", the Civ4 mod?

    • @irmaosmatos4026
      @irmaosmatos4026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Dinosaur cavalry and club warriors at tech 0.00004 is overpowered.

  • @qwertystania
    @qwertystania 2 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    The Extended Timeline mod has a system for Medieval kingdoms to split based on Gavelkind succession, which is probably why nations like Lorraine and Provence showed up.

    • @DeLeonHD
      @DeLeonHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Sadly a lot of real nations don't spawn. I've attempted to create Castile and it never happens

  • @TheSuperhoden
    @TheSuperhoden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    "What if every 'same development province' is it's own nation"

    • @acey457
      @acey457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      unga bunga 1-1-1 collective will reign supreme

    • @ghaliblaith9733
      @ghaliblaith9733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He suold defintly do that

    • @irmaosmatos4026
      @irmaosmatos4026 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@acey457 1-1-1 should be uncolonized

    • @3dbee47
      @3dbee47 ปีที่แล้ว

      A world where all of the uncolonized land becomes a great power, pretty cool. And then immediately collapses due to governing capacity and stability

  • @maxwellentertainment914
    @maxwellentertainment914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Kinda funny how Hungary has the cross in its crest when they aren't even chrisitan yet, but i guess the mod team has a lot of timelines to work on so these details aren't added in yet.

    • @acey457
      @acey457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it is the pagan cross of saint jâvid

    • @Oskiinus
      @Oskiinus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      it might also come from the limitations of country tags; if I remember correctly, 9th century Hungary uses the same country tag as a modern one, which would also explain Korea's flag

    • @maxwellentertainment914
      @maxwellentertainment914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe they should add a decision for Hungary witch makes them change from nomadic people (to a principality and then) to a kingdom, also they are commonly referred to in this time period as the magyar tribe, but again, this is a lot of work to do for only 1 country and there are so many others to focus on...

    • @Pigraider268
      @Pigraider268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@maxwellentertainment914 It could be done. CK does it. Nomadic Hungarians are called "Magyars" (which ironically is "Hungarians" in hungarian xd)

  • @feelingnether158
    @feelingnether158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    As a crusader king player this cursed…. There is not even any incest.

  • @johncohnor9655
    @johncohnor9655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Just more blob but with the map in different colors and different time-line, I would like to see some empires collapse, but I reckon that would be a pain to code

    • @umchen1192
      @umchen1192 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Hunkulous damn, looking forward to play the mod

  • @Stevonicus
    @Stevonicus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Cathars are a Catholic heresy that pop up in pretty much every game of CK

    • @feelingnether158
      @feelingnether158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Always gotta fight these annoying revolts in the middle of an important war.

    • @-Faris-
      @-Faris- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cathars are basically protestants before Martin Luther was born

    • @whaleofdarkness
      @whaleofdarkness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@-Faris- The Cathars differ much more from the Catholic church than Protestants. You weren't allowed to marry, have sex or have children. You weren't allowed to kill animals. The Old Testament was seen as the scripture of an evil god different from the god of the New Testament.
      But you're right they were alike to Protestants because they didn't preach in Latin and because they were repulsed by the excesses of the Catholic Church of their time.

  • @poool6463
    @poool6463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    19:37 you cant form romania if byz exists

  • @schizochlops
    @schizochlops 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Absolutley LOVE the content! Keep taking them W man

  • @randyyy2609
    @randyyy2609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Another suggestion for a "What if": what if EU4 started a year earlier? When the Crusade of Varna hasn't happened yet, Wladyslaw was still king of Poland, Lithuania, Hungary AND Croatia. What would happen if he survived? Think of how Europe would look like if that happened!

    • @sneediumminer
      @sneediumminer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      meiou and taxes starts in 1356 which in my opinion is a better start date than 1444

  • @feelingnether158
    @feelingnether158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    21:51 "whats cathar ?"
    Me a crusader king player who fought dozens of cathar revolt in my own kingdom.
    pain… its pain..

    • @custos9209
      @custos9209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's more pain for them though xD

    • @feelingnether158
      @feelingnether158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@custos9209 yeah i suppose but still ! How dare they trying to be free from my tyranny.

    • @alexanderlipowsky6055
      @alexanderlipowsky6055 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@feelingnether158 bastards...

  • @Otterly_luna
    @Otterly_luna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cordoba expanding into France was like the battle of Tours 2.0 electric bugaloo

  • @kindadumb916
    @kindadumb916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    East Francia is going to be a mess according to ck tradition

  • @Oddn7751
    @Oddn7751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I'm so sad you missed the HRE getting established by Germany. It's one of the coolest features in Extended Timeline and the AI never does it

  • @Pigraider268
    @Pigraider268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Lorraine" is just "Lotharingia" in French. It's funny that it's two different nations in game

  • @pygmybisoncomtedebournon4207
    @pygmybisoncomtedebournon4207 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You should do one on the ck2 Charlemagne start date (769)

  • @combrade-t
    @combrade-t 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I could swear that Extended Timeline has a Mongol Empire to spawn, maybe that's only in the specific start date though.

  • @kanishkbhardwaj9965
    @kanishkbhardwaj9965 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    are you planning on playing some crusader kings in the future? Idk about everyone else but that would be dope imo

    • @kiwuuspurr1927
      @kiwuuspurr1927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      agreed

    • @sentinite
      @sentinite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed!

    • @feelingnether158
      @feelingnether158 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree its a great game less war focused but i personally like it. You can basically gain lands without doing any war.

  • @patrikkalus5567
    @patrikkalus5567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cathars are one of early Catholic heresies.
    In Panonia (today Hungary) that was not Hungarians at the start, but remnants of Avars steppe nomads .

  • @cenarius555
    @cenarius555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Transylvania could not crate Romania because Byzantium existed :D

  • @ticklezcat5191
    @ticklezcat5191 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "CK3 start date" has CK2 religions instead of CK3.

    • @moonshinei
      @moonshinei 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      CK3 religions don’t import to EU4 as well as CK2’s do, which are already coded to transition in the game

  • @Mrfox-YouTube
    @Mrfox-YouTube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Eu4 but every country has a core on every province

  • @fyodorogustavus
    @fyodorogustavus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me that play both eu4 and ck3: wow NICE video

  • @HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman
    @HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I played tang in extended timeline and I got an event to became Xia, song, ming or stay Tang.

  • @Dylan-gc4he
    @Dylan-gc4he 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have been trying to guess your accent for months, and i finally think i have an answer, are you finnish?

  • @grant2063
    @grant2063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What about the 1066 CK3 start but carry it on into EU4's timeline?

  • @EmporerDragon
    @EmporerDragon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if idea: What if the New World nations started with max tech?

  • @sigma_fil1529
    @sigma_fil1529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What? Orthodox in 867?

  • @DocMaestro
    @DocMaestro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man so early and first few seconds got me interested lmao

  • @dodobirdhistorian5115
    @dodobirdhistorian5115 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ming Dynasty ruled from 1368(roughly) to 1644 A.D.

  • @12345678981010
    @12345678981010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    im actully surprised you dont know that romania cant be formed as long as byzantium is alive.........

  • @viniciusyugulis7278
    @viniciusyugulis7278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Transylvania couldn't form Romania because Byzantium exists

  • @PAINNN666
    @PAINNN666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ming rebelion replaced Yuan in late XIV century

  • @StalwartTirith
    @StalwartTirith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not going to lie, I don't really like the Extended Timeline mod. I mean, it's fun to see more timelines and that sort of thing, but this mod just doesn't handle it well, especially as the game progresses on.

    • @alexanderlipowsky6055
      @alexanderlipowsky6055 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do work on it though, you can for example form the hre, ai doesnt do it though

  • @Emanon...
    @Emanon... 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Germany seems to always dominate in these "what if" scenarios...
    Is Deutschland, in fact, uber alles?

  • @Ratich
    @Ratich 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Burgundy inherited lands in Lotharingia but Burgundy at this time is considered to be to the south of Lotharingia in the lands currently held by Italy.

  • @iwatchDVDsonXbox360
    @iwatchDVDsonXbox360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We still didn't got "Maratha empire in 1444", but they are trying. 👍

  • @CaspianNomad
    @CaspianNomad ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be cool to do a video like this but put random development on and see what weirdness and hell that unleashes

  • @yusufk6712
    @yusufk6712 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Hawk, the Hazars actually were not jewish from the getgo but the turkic people moved there and If I remember correctly there were a jewish population and since they were surrounded by the most popular monotheist religions they did not want to embrace them because they would succumb to those nations so the jews invited them to their religions and they became jewish. Feel free to correct me this is just what I remember whilst I researched that timeline history some years back. Also that nation somehow disappeared all of a sudden and no one knows exactly why they did not get conquered

  • @quartztemplar3676
    @quartztemplar3676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They're Hunyadi because many Khazars migrated with the Magyars

  • @violet_silly9929
    @violet_silly9929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    rise of islam start date is a very fun one, ive played it quite a bit and it is extremely variable, at least with my lack of a lot of dlc, dont know how it interacts with all at once

  • @paulipynnonen9445
    @paulipynnonen9445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good pronunciation of Suomenusko 👍

  • @juanmendez3290
    @juanmendez3290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't wait for the rashiduns escenario timelapse

  • @jonhart4563
    @jonhart4563 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should be a dlc with ideas and missions.

  • @dani7372
    @dani7372 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone listen.
    Where was Redhawk when the Westfold fell.
    Top left corner of the starting creen

  • @kevinkk3092
    @kevinkk3092 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see germany and the abbasids clash

  • @thomas3236
    @thomas3236 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    24:07
    Country: Song
    Dynasty: Han
    Hmmmm 🤔

  • @thetruecyrusplayz1256
    @thetruecyrusplayz1256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fun fact: ming formed in about the 1400s

  • @Prany2
    @Prany2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Requesting 'what if' scenario where some small nations get massive tech boost. Again.

  • @arabian7645
    @arabian7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do what if all major powers were deleted?

  • @DaviSonata
    @DaviSonata 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if 1822 Brazil, a Catholic Monarchy, existed in 1444? (200th independence anniversary)

  • @husted5488
    @husted5488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This mod is so historically inaccurate. Denmark wasn't united, and Germanic and Norse are the same religion.

  • @historydude6022
    @historydude6022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What would have happened if eu4 started in 600. It would be fun to see the Byzantine at there near peak and see if they can retake France from the lombards and if they can survive the arabs

    • @kojbo
      @kojbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      isnt their peak 117 AD?

    • @historydude6022
      @historydude6022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kojbo That is the Roman Empire’s peak

    • @classiclife7204
      @classiclife7204 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@historydude6022 The only correct answer.

  • @BooTleg_AristoCrat
    @BooTleg_AristoCrat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oddly enough nation of ganga don't even own most of ganga river but they didn't start with the river so atleast they have some of ganga

  • @MuppetLord1
    @MuppetLord1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really wish Byz were better at getting decent allies, wonder if they hardcoded AI byz to not seek friends. xD

  • @user-wr2gg9bf4l
    @user-wr2gg9bf4l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You never heard about cathars?
    You must search them out.

  • @copiusgrimus6671
    @copiusgrimus6671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if theodoaius never spilt the empire

  • @davidkacmar6522
    @davidkacmar6522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video enjoying it a lot, hope the beloozero is gonna rise soon :D seeing how hard it is, you must form Russia and expand to make Soviet union great again :D

  • @denniswilkerson5536
    @denniswilkerson5536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Catholic Germany isn’t real, it can’t hurt you.
    Catholic Germany:

  • @rasmusb.3551
    @rasmusb.3551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, I would love it, if you would show the development of the provinces at the start of the time-lapse

  • @xandyreoch8d874
    @xandyreoch8d874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos :D

  • @GusThePrankster
    @GusThePrankster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Uh, The Red Hawk, I have a suggestion for you. Once you get to Desmond (the strongest Irish nation, btw), create a potato union. How do you do that? Simple. Conquer Ireland, Idaho, the Baltics, and Peru (the birthplace of potatoes). Okay maybe not _that_ simple but it's an idea anyway!

  • @macasmosqueradavid6046
    @macasmosqueradavid6046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if the Imperio Español existed in 1444

  • @ohNojames
    @ohNojames 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where are the Rurikid’s? They moved into Russia around 867 they are in CK timeline? Edit Oh I seen them

  • @huginmunin8253
    @huginmunin8253 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    khazars where jewish or turkic-jewish to be more precise i belive. And if im not mistaken some went to either Latvia or lithuania later on and lived there and still does with some different culture compared to other jewish and turkic people, but as I said im not sure it was khazars that went there

  • @rhodrison
    @rhodrison 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strathclyde should be welsh culture imo

  • @countrygameskid2100
    @countrygameskid2100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should do Cold War start

  • @gazamidori2866
    @gazamidori2866 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Xia is prolly pronounced similar to zha or sha

  • @faust8473
    @faust8473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Что если Османская империя - это Ludi et Historia"

  • @NotAHamster
    @NotAHamster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if yugoslavia existed in 1444?

  • @MPrae
    @MPrae 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you can really have Catholics and orthodox prior to 1054 rather Christians, Muslims, Jewish etc

  • @salamipitza
    @salamipitza 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    do what if Britain is connected to mainland europe

  • @bhuvan.s153
    @bhuvan.s153 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Norse prussia kinda cursed

  • @isimiel3405
    @isimiel3405 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    some rando will become a great power

  • @bunnygamer4394
    @bunnygamer4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is definitely Not CK3 map

  • @jpanda79
    @jpanda79 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crusader kings is the best

  • @semyonmorozov849
    @semyonmorozov849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Catholics in 867?

  • @arabian7645
    @arabian7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u turn colonization on ?

  • @violet_silly9929
    @violet_silly9929 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    also, a lot of the nations popping in where larger ones were is due to government type, the salich monarchy splits the nation for each heir to have land once the ruler dies
    edit fix: each male heir*

  • @arabian7645
    @arabian7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do rise of islam

  • @HalukOgeturk
    @HalukOgeturk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    fun fact khazaria is turks but jewish turks :D

  • @Ponanoix
    @Ponanoix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    NIce!!!!!!!!!!1111oneeleven

  • @aluminiumknight4038
    @aluminiumknight4038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how many times did he abuse the word "vikings"?

  • @aluminiumknight4038
    @aluminiumknight4038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    japan going full ww2

  • @arabian7645
    @arabian7645 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do what if europe was colonized
    Delete all European countries

  • @matheusadriel4177
    @matheusadriel4177 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should be all catholic, orthodox only born in 1054

  • @heisenstein6392
    @heisenstein6392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait... so the AI can form Germany 1000 yrs early but Cordoba can't form Andalusia? That's some bullshit, if they formed Andalusia, they would've curb-stomped the French/Burgundian tags. Good to see Salah ad-Din's empire going so strong though, he's an absolute legend 🙌

  • @alexandervolkov97
    @alexandervolkov97 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ukrainian and belorussian culture in 867. peepoClown