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@@truechaosmulala3831 >HRE. HRE is not Roman Empire HRE is not even an empire. Heck, HRE does not even exists as a united state. HRE is the cursed version of HRE. Not even the nation of the first Holy Roman Emperor, (not the first emperor of HRE). Not even eastern Frankia. I even doubt it is Holy Since there is a cold war between Emperor and Pope. What is even HRE?
@@EsotericCat It bothers you so much make your own video. The concept was Rome was in 1444. Thats the only thing that he changed. He didnt write an alternate history for it, so there is no reason the HRE wouldn't exist
@@MasonGreenWeed Yeah. Idk why it just feels wrong not to make them hellenic, especially considering that the borders they were given here was when they were hellenic.
Making them Catholic was a great idea since these borders are before the split between Western Rome and Eastern Rome. Also its hard to argue they should be Orthodox when the capital is still in Rome. Not to mention the schism happened specifically because of the fall of Rome with a retreat to the East. Also the schism didn't officially happen until the Orthodox temporarily fell into heresy with Iconoclasm. Regardless, before the schism the Patriarchs all viewed the Bishop of Rome as the head of faith as the first among equals although the issue of the level of authority he has over other apostolic-tier clergy did not come up yet.
@@darken2417 The main reason they split was because the pope wanted "special treatment" aka believed he was superior to the other bishops. As you said they always thought of the bishop of Rome as first among EQUALS so that's how it also should have been in the game. Moreover the head of the church was always the emperor and that wouldn't change. If the Roman Empire existed in 1444 there would be no Catholicism or Orthodoxy. There would be a single, main Christian faith similar (not the same) to the orthodox one. Probably even the pentarchy system would have been established granting the 5 patriarchs (of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem) the management of the church. Anyways this is just a timelapse and i shouldn't care but I just wanted to highlight that the Roman Empire and the pope can't exist at the same time.
Very fun video Red Hawk! Congrats That said, I have to say it would have been very nice if you let them continued until world conquest. I was rolting for them. This feels like an unfinished story, although I really enjoyed the video! :)
@@vlogdemon I’m confused. What did Napoleon did to end the Roman Empire, I meant the Byzantine empire or East Roman Empire. Do you mean the Holy Roman Empire?
Just a question did you delete their uneeded forts? AI will bankrupt itself with useless forts and if you just /integrate everyone I fear their economy would be absolute trash
As a human player, if I started off with this Nation I would have 110% ignored AE and would attempt a sort of speed run for world conquest. Love the content, brother!
Did you make it into/ is there a mod for this? It would awesome to play around with it. Like, playing as Brandenburg forming Prussia/ Germany and maybe become a rival to the Roman Empire.
I think the issue is you put them in at their territorial peak, they just had enough inertia from that they kept going, steamrolling into Asia especially.
I would love to see this exact game converted to in Victoria 2, I bet that the whole empire would collapse given Vicky 2 rebels and give us a really interesting alternative history
I am playing with a byzantine empire and I am close to forming Rome again, just need to take down few more provinces in Italy before doing it, I wonder what happenes once you do it 😁😁😁
Honestly if the Roman Empire did manage to recover and become strong and capable of expansion again, instead of falling into decline, I would have assumed them to try to take over the British Isles aswell as pushing further into Germany again. Securing the Arabian gulf by conquering the coast might also be of interest to them, aswell as pushing into the Pontic Steppes, but their main expansion route would have been into Persia and then India. So overall, pretty similar to how this turned out. They would have had to deal with the Mongols though so it would be interesting how they fared against that.
I see people referencing the silk road for the roman expansion but have you heard of alexander the great? Who are the romans if they dont try to flex of the greek
I think the Roman Empire would not have been Catholic, a better example of a scenario would have been to make the Roman Empire Orthodox Christians because the Byzantine Empire is really just the Eastern Roman Empire, they had the closest connection to the Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire didn't have any connection to the Roman Empire itself. The most common language and culture in the Roman Empire was Greek and the Byzantines are Greek. Like if you were a Roman in Rome you would speak Latin but outside of Rome Greek was the most spoken language.
in history the roman empire was catholic a few hundred years before they colapse. an empreor converted them too be, but it was not the entire nation itself. too much religions and too many different cultures, and corupt politicians made them colaps in the end. just too much of everything.
HRE wasnt Roman Empire, it was a fale Roman Empire made by people who had Different race Different culture Different religion compared to original Roman Christians. They had NO CLAIM to Roman Empire.
I wonder what happened with the Council of Trent. Also, if Reformation never triggers, the Council doesn't , right? Without the council, Catholicism is pretty bad in the game.
No no no, you're doing it wrong. It is What if the Eastern, Western, Holy, and "Russian" Roman Empires existed in 1444? :V to settle up who is the best Roman Empire 😂😂
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What if the Mongol Empire existed in 1444
What IF the 20 largest Empires in history existed in 1444.
Hmm wouldn’t they overlap
give the larger one the overlapping territory?
what if the ummayad caliphate existed in 1444? obviously you'd do it as granada
I expected them to collapse. To witness the AI make a solid effort into a world conquest is quite impressive.
Same
And the AI has to be given a huge chunk of Europe and the middle east before it can come close to a WC
Well if you ever want to see them collapse or try to survive with them more realistically, there's always the extended timeline mod.
@@TheRedHawk it's unfair!
There should be a mechanic similar to the mandate of heaven for starting superpowers
The Romans kept hearing shit about how the Mongols were the biggest empire, so they decided to flex hard.
It took them 400 years, but they finally took that province from Lithuania to connect the borders
Yeah lmao
I honestly did not expect the ai to do that well
Yeah me too lol
"What if the Roman Empire existed in 1444?"
Byzantium - *screaming internally*
HRE Screams IN GERMAN
@@truechaosmulala3831 HRE is just Germany larping as the Roman Empire, Byzantium *IS* the Roman Empire
@@truechaosmulala3831 >HRE.
HRE is not Roman Empire
HRE is not even an empire.
Heck, HRE does not even exists as a united state.
HRE is the cursed version of HRE.
Not even the nation of the first Holy Roman Emperor, (not the first emperor of HRE).
Not even eastern Frankia.
I even doubt it is Holy Since there is a cold war between Emperor and Pope.
What is even HRE?
@@internetguy8075 Byzantium is just greeks Larping as the Roman Empire
@@ryanrzjr It's not really a discussion, you're factually wrong. Byzantium = the Roman Empire.
I don't think keeping the HRE around was a good idea since Rome, the whole of Rome literally still exists, regardless great video.
Yeah maybe
@@TheRedHawk not maybe
@@EsotericCat It bothers you so much make your own video. The concept was Rome was in 1444. Thats the only thing that he changed. He didnt write an alternate history for it, so there is no reason the HRE wouldn't exist
Narcissist alert
@@majormarketing6552 Person who diagnoses others for a dumb and bad reason alert
Props to Ingolstadt for surviving the entire game despite starting next to Rome.
Scotland’s map camouflage tactic worked so well with Castilian colonies that Rome decided to ignore them
They wanted the silk road, they got it
you mean to call that expansion a mere road??? xD
Me: *Chugging on a soda can*
This Guy: "... and they are Catholic"
Me: *Chokes on coke* "They WOT M8?!"
*Sad Byzantine Orthodox noises*
Lmao
Sad Hellenic pagan noise
@@MasonGreenWeed the original.
@@MasonGreenWeed sadly, not possible without mods or a converted ck2 savegame.
@@MasonGreenWeed Yeah. Idk why it just feels wrong not to make them hellenic, especially considering that the borders they were given here was when they were hellenic.
slap it into Victoria 2 and watch that boi explode
Lol true
Actually i want to see this lol
Seconding this
Argentine->Chile seemingly broke free from Scotland, since Castile calls it La Plata and it has Scottish culture.
Yeah you might be right
Do a what if every religion was a nation lul
Working on it!
@@TheRedHawk Sunni OP!
@@flimpeenflarmpoon1353 Catholic too.
@@TheRedHawk would there be Protestant?
Wouldn't Christians get cucked by protestanism?
The sun never sets on the Roman empire
beginning of the video: haha silly Roman's u cant have all of the silk road
end of the video: they got the silk road
This really make you wonder how powerful the roman empire is. And also, to be in perspective, how strong Russia and China are.
This Roman Empire did manage to shape its border beautifully
I cannot express to you the extent of relief that washed over me when they *finally* took that strip of Lithuania in the last time skip 😂
The Roman Empire could have professed Orthodoxy)))
Yeah maybe
@@massivecent3729 yeah but that's because the pope controlled the city in opposition to eastern rome
Making them Catholic was a great idea since these borders are before the split between Western Rome and Eastern Rome. Also its hard to argue they should be Orthodox when the capital is still in Rome.
Not to mention the schism happened specifically because of the fall of Rome with a retreat to the East. Also the schism didn't officially happen until the Orthodox temporarily fell into heresy with Iconoclasm. Regardless, before the schism the Patriarchs all viewed the Bishop of Rome as the head of faith as the first among equals although the issue of the level of authority he has over other apostolic-tier clergy did not come up yet.
Nah
@@darken2417 The main reason they split was because the pope wanted "special treatment" aka believed he was superior to the other bishops. As you said they always thought of the bishop of Rome as first among EQUALS so that's how it also should have been in the game. Moreover the head of the church was always the emperor and that wouldn't change. If the Roman Empire existed in 1444 there would be no Catholicism or Orthodoxy. There would be a single, main Christian faith similar (not the same) to the orthodox one. Probably even the pentarchy system would have been established granting the 5 patriarchs (of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem) the management of the church.
Anyways this is just a timelapse and i shouldn't care but I just wanted to highlight that the Roman Empire and the pope can't exist at the same time.
Do what if the Achaemenid Empire existed in 1444
Pretty great video. Wasn't expecting them to actually do that well
Rome head of the HRE lol. This is the best time.
Honestly post 1.31 I feel like the AI has gotten a surprising amount better, usually alot more stable and regions get more properly consolidated
Very fun video Red Hawk!
Congrats
That said, I have to say it would have been very nice if you let them continued until world conquest. I was rolting for them. This feels like an unfinished story, although I really enjoyed the video! :)
ROME NEVER FELL!!!
Cap
@@TheRedHawk I WANNA EXPRESS MY LOVE FOR ROME!!
Hey at least it fell to Muslims/ ottomans
@@hamddanahmed3451 you mean Napoleon
@@vlogdemon I’m confused. What did Napoleon did to end the Roman Empire, I meant the Byzantine empire or East Roman Empire. Do you mean the Holy Roman Empire?
Ill be waiting for that "What if Every Religion are Nation?"
This makes me want "What if Alexander's empire existed in 1444"
I mean, the Roman Empire is available in 1444, just click on Constantinople
Chad Rome vs Chad Dacia
Ah new video from red hawk. Time to make some tea and drink it in balcony with this beautiful video and beautiful weather.
Sounds like a good time! Hope you enjoy it
Just a question did you delete their uneeded forts? AI will bankrupt itself with useless forts and if you just /integrate everyone I fear their economy would be absolute trash
Their economy was strong enough to have a fort in every province lol, btw no I didn’t delete any forts
Did you changed the culture of some of the historic provinces to roman?
No they converted culture themselves that’s why it’s so cursed lmao
A TH-camr needs to do a campaign where the roman empire and the Mongol empire exists in 1444 and your trying to beat them in dev
Hell. Convert this save into Viccy2 and see if they manage to take the whole world.
I really want to know how much dev Rome would have if you concentrated from the entire empire
Around 3k imo
A Leinster always pays his debts
I just find it so satisfying to watch the greatest country to ever exist on Earth prosper even more, even in fictional reality
As a human player, if I started off with this Nation I would have 110% ignored AE and would attempt a sort of speed run for world conquest. Love the content, brother!
Lol same! Thank you by the way I appreciate it!
AE literally wouldn't have mattered, even if they fought every nation in the area that they had a coalition in, they'd still win.
What if the French Empire existed in 1444 ?
Did you make it into/ is there a mod for this? It would awesome to play around with it. Like, playing as Brandenburg forming Prussia/ Germany and maybe become a rival to the Roman Empire.
I think the issue is you put them in at their territorial peak, they just had enough inertia from that they kept going, steamrolling into Asia especially.
Can you do what if every trade node/area was a nation
I already have! Check it out!
@@TheRedHawk Thanks!
Roman empire : ''I AM THE SILK ROAD''
15:30 and what about Malacca?
The real “from sea to shining sea”
Is there a downloadable mod for this scenario?
I would love to see this exact game converted to in Victoria 2, I bet that the whole empire would collapse given Vicky 2 rebels and give us a really interesting alternative history
I am playing with a byzantine empire and I am close to forming Rome again, just need to take down few more provinces in Italy before doing it, I wonder what happenes once you do it 😁😁😁
"What if the Roman Empire existed in 1444"
History buffs: Hmm, but, buuut... 🤔
Honestly if the Roman Empire did manage to recover and become strong and capable of expansion again, instead of falling into decline, I would have assumed them to try to take over the British Isles
aswell as pushing further into Germany again. Securing the Arabian gulf by conquering the coast might also be of interest to them, aswell as pushing into the Pontic Steppes, but their main expansion route would have been into Persia and then India.
So overall, pretty similar to how this turned out.
They would have had to deal with the Mongols though so it would be interesting how they fared against that.
When The Red Hawk turned himself to a Drew Durnil:
Drew Durnil 2.0?
Lmaoo
Which country was the basis for this RE?
I see they put the Roman in Romania
From sea to shining sea, i guess
Dam these Romans are nice, they kept Lithuanian lands so they can have access to both seas...
Tfw the Eastern Roman Empire is still alive
What about a scenario where only two countries exist: North and South, divided along the 38th parallel?
alternate title: *A Relentless Push East*
With what nation did you form rome?
I just gave them the province of Rome initially and went from there, so basically I didn’t form them with any nation
I see people referencing the silk road for the roman expansion but have you heard of alexander the great? Who are the romans if they dont try to flex of the greek
I think the Roman Empire would not have been Catholic, a better example of a scenario would have been to make the Roman Empire Orthodox Christians because the Byzantine Empire is really just the Eastern Roman Empire, they had the closest connection to the Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire didn't have any connection to the Roman Empire itself. The most common language and culture in the Roman Empire was Greek and the Byzantines are Greek. Like if you were a Roman in Rome you would speak Latin but outside of Rome Greek was the most spoken language.
Or even better, make them hellenic, like they were in 117 AD, since in this video they were given their 117 AD borders.
in history the roman empire was catholic a few hundred years before they colapse. an empreor converted them too be, but it was not the entire nation itself. too much religions and too many different cultures, and corupt politicians made them colaps in the end. just too much of everything.
Great video but am i the only person who thinks that Rome should be orthodox?
Yeah they should be hellenic
What if the british empire existed in 1444?
Let’s see that boy go boom
Plot hole: Byzantium did exist in 1444
Make this save in vic 2
imagine walking into rome and you just see 🗿
It would be fun to see someone try and defeat them!
Maybe playing as Russia.
Simply Glorious
Daqin is coming home!
Italy would have won the Italy-Ethiopian war
Hearing "pre-puberty" hawk is so weird
What if Russia existed in 1444?
The Roman Empire United at any point is OP as f*ck😂👌
During the 15th century no less too
Byzantines in 1444: 👁👄👁 we exist.
What if all the world was part of the HRE?
Already on the list!
@@TheRedHawk nice
HRE wasnt Roman Empire, it was a fale Roman Empire made by people who had
Different race
Different culture
Different religion
compared to original Roman Christians.
They had NO CLAIM to Roman Empire.
@@abhabh6896 i agree that calling the HRE rome is dumb, but your arguments why it isnt are dumb, cause it also applies to the ERE
The imperium of man shall never fall to the Roman xenos.
What if the Ottoman had full extent at 1444 ?
You should put them into a v2 converter and see what happens
Rome-splosion
Jokes on you it already did, it was called Byzantium aka The Eastern Roman Empire.
What about Umayyad Caliphate? 🤔
Good idea!
@@TheRedHawk do it as Granada if you decide to do it or not since it was last kingdom with the descendants of the Umayyad
I love that despite all they comquered the Romans were still unable to conquer the whole of Germania lol
-> Roman
-> Catholic
Pick one
I wonder what happened with the Council of Trent. Also, if Reformation never triggers, the Council doesn't , right? Without the council, Catholicism is pretty bad in the game.
Poland: GG
Can you public this mod:
23:05 random denmark is random
I wanna see this in Victoria 2
what if there was one nation in each continent with 30 tech, then the AI could chose ideas, pls chose them based on history forgotten cultures.
I would move the HRE to have all of Roman territory
what if HRE dont exist, is there a video of this?
Already on my to do list!
What if the mongolian empire existed in 1444
No no no, you're doing it wrong. It is What if the Eastern, Western, Holy, and "Russian" Roman Empires existed in 1444? :V to settle up who is the best Roman Empire 😂😂
Chewy, Quarbit, Lusitanian, and Quagersall did that in a multi-player campaign and it was awesome
@@thegentlemanfish7504 thank you! Will search for it
What if Zulu empire was united in 1444 :)
What if every religion group was a nation? Austria=Catholic faith
Ottomans=Sunni faith
Confucitian=Ming
Tengri=Oirat or Jianzhu
Based
We sorta have a Roman republic (EU)
Hmm
That is not at all close...
A perfect world.