so... funny thing bout all the main and evolved guys is that each teir fallows a bit of a theme.... the main persona's r notable theif's and whatnot from hystory while their evolved forms r folks who fell from heaven or whatnot and idk what the "fusion" forms rep
Fun Fact: Ryuji is the one that suggested Morgana’s code name, Mona. Mona is actually the name of the most rumored island where Captain Kidd hid his treasure, implying he wanted to know more about Kidd
Another neat detail about Loki is that the sword it's wielding is Laevateinn, a sword crafted by Loki in the Poetic Edda to slay a rooster sitting atop the world tree.
Arsene depiction makes so much sense when you count Satanael into the mix. How Satanael uniform and mask matches Joker to a T. Also, you could consider Satanael was always Arsene in disguise as he came to be only when Yaldebaoth started messing about. Satanael and Yaldebaoth are supposed to be two sides of the same coin and Satanael stole from Yaldebaoth in the gnomish lore. This concept gives so much needed context to Arsene's demonic/fallen-angel like design.
One thing that should be noted about akechi is that according to the developers he awakened to both Robin Hood and Loki at the same time. So, I don’t think Robin Hood is a “fake” persona cause if it were he would have gotten Loki first and his third tier persona wouldn’t take so much after Robin Hood. There is also dialogue in the the thieves den from characters like yusuke saying stuff like how akechi had a part of him that desired justice after seeing Robin Hood
Thieves dialogue shouldn’t in my opinion be counted as it’s separate from the game and just there as a trophy room. Also Atlus really dropped the story ball saying he awakened to both when it would be awesome if Robin Hood was a fake to go into Loki’s lore and how Akechi faked himself in society as the “detective” prince. A lot of things with Akechi writing wise imo Atlus dropped the ball and why he’s a mixed bag for me
About Cinderella and her glass slipper, it can be an error that stayed and became the norm. In french glass is "verre". It has the same prononciation as "vair", an ancient way of saying fur. The story being an oral one before Perrault wrote it, there was a confusion. But a slipper with fur in it makes a lot more sense than one made of glass and a maid with slippers with fur is not that out of the ordinary. But since it is a story with a fairy godmother and magic, glass slippers given by the fairy are not that much of a stretch, especially when you consider that the stepsisters had to cut their toes to fit the slipper in the original story, and doing this for a glass slipper that is more rigid is more logical. So yes it was a useless bit if trivia.
You forgot one important thing about Cendrillon: the plate on her bust. It's obviously a clock face symbolizing the time she has left before her metaphorical midnight.
Theres also the influence of lupin the third on the series, with cast made up of the descendants of lupin and goemon, as well as a femme fatale and a antagonist cop obsessed with the protag
A few interesting things about Loki's design for P5: the black and white patterns are based on "Dazzle camouflage", used primarily for ships in World War I by the UK and US, used to mislead the enemy when trying to estimate a ship's size, shape and speed. Another thing is that his horns are possibly eyestalks, like a snail, further adding to the theme of misdirection.
I honestly wished you would've brought up Dr. Maruki in this video, though I understand with doing that, then people would then ask you to talk about the Personas of Straga. Though I would love to hear you talk about Sho Minazuki or Labrys or Metis sometime.
Just a fun fact. Lovecraft himself referred to his mythos as the "Yog-Sothory." Yog-Sothoth being the deity that mainly is involved with humans and their lust for knowledge, he is the keeper of the gate and the gate itself, Ang'yeeah'yah Yog-Sothoth.
Arsene is really important beyond his design. His elemental skills were chosen specifically to show players of previous titles "Hey! There are actual light and dark skills in this game!" while still telling new players, "Hey! Look at these cool black and red colors!" Style is a very good way to maintain interest. And why was dark chosen for Joker over light? Not just to fit the color theme of the game, but it's more striking for the protagonist to use a traditionally "death" aspected element as opposed to the exorcism, or "heavenly" element. Also it just fits Arsene. Personally my Loki design tier list goes: 1: Current SMT. Very trickster looking, he's looking like a right bastard as described in the Edda. 2: Persona 5 Loki. The design isn't quite there, but it at least has SOME style. 3: As you might have gathered from the 2nd, I'm not a fan of the boring Kaneko Norse god designs. Thor is good, but Odin and Loki got super gimped in comparison. The new designs are just better. "Can you show me your feet? I swear I'm not a weirdo."
P5's personas are so interesting. Fictional or historical people with fictional embellishments was such an interesting take for these and I think it really works
Since Sumire was talked about (and her Persona’s unique rebellion is something I’d find myself embodying), something I’ve recently wondered is where exactly does her Arcana (Faith) place her in comparison to the World Arcana? I know some of the other non-standard tarots have some numbers or meanings that’d make them equivalents to the major Arcana (Jetser/Fool, Apostle/Hierophant, etc.), but what about Faith? I always assumed that it was similar in number of a value to the Fool Arcana since it didn’t have a number (same with Hope), thus adding more parallels between her and the protagonist, but I could never find anything confirming that.
Talking about Norse legend is a pain in the neck, since theirs was a purely oral tradition until well after they were converted to Christianity. So I'm drawing on anthropology somewhat here, but given how fanatically the team seems to research their legends when designing Persona, I imagine they did the same here. First up, there very little moral axis in the Norse legends. Loki is a troublemaker (I'll get to that later), and the Giants are a problem, but medieval Scandinavia was a harsh, HARSH land where even nobility had to work if you wanted to make it through winter each year. The Norse legends ultimately reflect the struggle of civilised and settle humans against wild, dangerous and uncaring natural forces. Monsters exist just because. Surt is going to burn the World Tree to ash, because that's simply what fire does and he ultimately dies doing so, but something new will come after. Everyone and everything ultimately ends, but life continues regardless. The one consistent motif about Loki is that he doesn't accept fate. He will struggle against it, lie, cheat, steal, forment discord and its almost ALWAYS in the name of keeping himself alive. Its worth noting that the second worst crime one could commit in Norse culture was oath-breaking (only kin-slaying was worse from what we can tell), and its this that Loki regularly engages in, as well as vengeance against the Aesir he sees as having wronged him come Ragnarok. Culturally, Loki has come to be an archetype of the trickster as the bringer of discord, given Loki's disruption of numerous feasts in legends, especially the death of Baldr. The relation to Akechi? He rejects his place in the brutally structured hierarchy of Japanese culture. He wants to carve his own place, and burn Shido's world to ashes around him, and he will wear any mask, play any role, and commit any atrocity he can conceive of in order to do so. The colour scheme of Loki seems to me to be a form of Dazzle Camoflague, where the idea is not to actually conceal a target, but to exploit flaws in human vision to disrupt your ability to look directly at it and draw a line of fire. In motion it becomes indistinct, a haze of color and shape
I get that the way people from other other countries say z as zed is their thing but cause ive always said it as zee, it just feels a little weird but thats just me, also I feel like calling zombies zeds makes more sense to me but again that's just me.
I still don't get how Futaba Makoto Sumire and Sofia fit the whole "Thief" theme of the Personas,Everyone else is a thief in some shape or form but then we have a book a priestess Cinderella and jar...
Most of them share that spirit of rebellion, but yeah the Necronomicon is just a cool character lol. Sophia at least has Pandora, who went against the gods' wishes and opened the box
The best way I describe it is that in the thrd semester he’s like Vegeta in the namek amd Android arcs. He’s an ally but nobody’s forgiven him for anything. And that’s kinda where he’s stuck at unless he gets another appearance post Royal and Strikers.
Ikr... I had to rewind a little to make sure I saw that right 😂 I gotta say though: I do like that Yusuke is just dancing around in the background while an ancient Japanese sex picture is up on the screen. It made me laugh 🕺🏻
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so... funny thing bout all the main and evolved guys is that each teir fallows a bit of a theme.... the main persona's r notable theif's and whatnot from hystory while their evolved forms r folks who fell from heaven or whatnot and idk what the "fusion" forms rep
Fun Fact: Ryuji is the one that suggested Morgana’s code name, Mona. Mona is actually the name of the most rumored island where Captain Kidd hid his treasure, implying he wanted to know more about Kidd
Very interesting! That's a nice little Easter egg
I love the idea that Ryuji looked up who Captain Kidd was
@@archivist_13 In the context of the game he says it when mistaking Morgana’s name.
Another neat detail about Loki is that the sword it's wielding is Laevateinn, a sword crafted by Loki in the Poetic Edda to slay a rooster sitting atop the world tree.
Oh very interesting! I'm glad they added that cool little detail
Arsene depiction makes so much sense when you count Satanael into the mix. How Satanael uniform and mask matches Joker to a T. Also, you could consider Satanael was always Arsene in disguise as he came to be only when Yaldebaoth started messing about. Satanael and Yaldebaoth are supposed to be two sides of the same coin and Satanael stole from Yaldebaoth in the gnomish lore. This concept gives so much needed context to Arsene's demonic/fallen-angel like design.
One thing that should be noted about akechi is that according to the developers he awakened to both Robin Hood and Loki at the same time. So, I don’t think Robin Hood is a “fake” persona cause if it were he would have gotten Loki first and his third tier persona wouldn’t take so much after Robin Hood.
There is also dialogue in the the thieves den from characters like yusuke saying stuff like how akechi had a part of him that desired justice after seeing Robin Hood
Interesting, thanks for clearing that up!
Honestly I think akechi wanted justice but his revenge distorted him so much maybe that's why he awakened to both
Thieves dialogue shouldn’t in my opinion be counted as it’s separate from the game and just there as a trophy room. Also Atlus really dropped the story ball saying he awakened to both when it would be awesome if Robin Hood was a fake to go into Loki’s lore and how Akechi faked himself in society as the “detective” prince. A lot of things with Akechi writing wise imo Atlus dropped the ball and why he’s a mixed bag for me
@@RaspyCh Pls understand small game studio who left a lot of stuff from P5R unused
About Cinderella and her glass slipper, it can be an error that stayed and became the norm.
In french glass is "verre". It has the same prononciation as "vair", an ancient way of saying fur. The story being an oral one before Perrault wrote it, there was a confusion. But a slipper with fur in it makes a lot more sense than one made of glass and a maid with slippers with fur is not that out of the ordinary.
But since it is a story with a fairy godmother and magic, glass slippers given by the fairy are not that much of a stretch, especially when you consider that the stepsisters had to cut their toes to fit the slipper in the original story, and doing this for a glass slipper that is more rigid is more logical.
So yes it was a useless bit if trivia.
Wow that makes a lot of sense now that you mention it. Interesting bit of lost lore
You forgot one important thing about Cendrillon: the plate on her bust. It's obviously a clock face symbolizing the time she has left before her metaphorical midnight.
Oh wow good catch, I can't believe I missed that one!
Theres also the influence of lupin the third on the series, with cast made up of the descendants of lupin and goemon, as well as a femme fatale and a antagonist cop obsessed with the protag
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Fun detail: Milady has cannons because in the original book, Milady de Winter used a revolver as her weapon of choice for tying up loose ends.
Good job with your first episode my fellow Canadian 🙌 Thanks for having me on!
13:10~ The subtle combination of ancient Japanese sex painting + Yusuke dancing around in the background really made me laugh 🕺🏻💃
Would be great of you did one for the ultimate forms
A few interesting things about Loki's design for P5: the black and white patterns are based on "Dazzle camouflage", used primarily for ships in World War I by the UK and US, used to mislead the enemy when trying to estimate a ship's size, shape and speed. Another thing is that his horns are possibly eyestalks, like a snail, further adding to the theme of misdirection.
I honestly wished you would've brought up Dr. Maruki in this video, though I understand with doing that, then people would then ask you to talk about the Personas of Straga.
Though I would love to hear you talk about Sho Minazuki or Labrys or Metis sometime.
Quality stuff! So glad I found someone who looks at SMT without dunking on Persona.
Thanks man I love both. Sometimes I feel like the only one lol
@@Tony4You you aren't ;)
Just a fun fact. Lovecraft himself referred to his mythos as the "Yog-Sothory." Yog-Sothoth being the deity that mainly is involved with humans and their lust for knowledge, he is the keeper of the gate and the gate itself, Ang'yeeah'yah Yog-Sothoth.
“Morgana, the schedule-keeping cat.”
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Easy: Sofias Pandora.....is what all of Persona reprisents...yourself from the beginning!
Keep up the quality stuff!
Arsene is really important beyond his design. His elemental skills were chosen specifically to show players of previous titles "Hey! There are actual light and dark skills in this game!" while still telling new players, "Hey! Look at these cool black and red colors!"
Style is a very good way to maintain interest.
And why was dark chosen for Joker over light? Not just to fit the color theme of the game, but it's more striking for the protagonist to use a traditionally "death" aspected element as opposed to the exorcism, or "heavenly" element.
Also it just fits Arsene.
Personally my Loki design tier list goes:
1: Current SMT. Very trickster looking, he's looking like a right bastard as described in the Edda.
2: Persona 5 Loki. The design isn't quite there, but it at least has SOME style.
3: As you might have gathered from the 2nd, I'm not a fan of the boring Kaneko Norse god designs. Thor is good, but Odin and Loki got super gimped in comparison. The new designs are just better.
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Wish you would also talk about the awakened personas :/
I do in the later additions to the series. This was really early and I wish I did too
@@Tony4You glad to know
Ngl, I would love to see the two Persona ultimates.
I just love Ryuji. My favorite character in Persona, but I love the whole cast
Futaba's Persona being... not a person fits well with her not combatant role, imo. That just makes it even better!
P5's personas are so interesting. Fictional or historical people with fictional embellishments was such an interesting take for these and I think it really works
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I am also Canadian but I still say zee instead of zed because because old habits are hard to break
Thanks For The vídeo and Now you shound make a version to The Ultimate personas! To complete The séries, Your Voice is great for that
Goemon lost both his parents in 1973? Wow...that's insane 😮
Since Sumire was talked about (and her Persona’s unique rebellion is something I’d find myself embodying), something I’ve recently wondered is where exactly does her Arcana (Faith) place her in comparison to the World Arcana?
I know some of the other non-standard tarots have some numbers or meanings that’d make them equivalents to the major Arcana (Jetser/Fool, Apostle/Hierophant, etc.), but what about Faith?
I always assumed that it was similar in number of a value to the Fool Arcana since it didn’t have a number (same with Hope), thus adding more parallels between her and the protagonist, but I could never find anything confirming that.
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How come when we go number 2 we always go number 1? I'm talking about poo.
Talking about Norse legend is a pain in the neck, since theirs was a purely oral tradition until well after they were converted to Christianity. So I'm drawing on anthropology somewhat here, but given how fanatically the team seems to research their legends when designing Persona, I imagine they did the same here. First up, there very little moral axis in the Norse legends. Loki is a troublemaker (I'll get to that later), and the Giants are a problem, but medieval Scandinavia was a harsh, HARSH land where even nobility had to work if you wanted to make it through winter each year. The Norse legends ultimately reflect the struggle of civilised and settle humans against wild, dangerous and uncaring natural forces. Monsters exist just because. Surt is going to burn the World Tree to ash, because that's simply what fire does and he ultimately dies doing so, but something new will come after. Everyone and everything ultimately ends, but life continues regardless.
The one consistent motif about Loki is that he doesn't accept fate. He will struggle against it, lie, cheat, steal, forment discord and its almost ALWAYS in the name of keeping himself alive. Its worth noting that the second worst crime one could commit in Norse culture was oath-breaking (only kin-slaying was worse from what we can tell), and its this that Loki regularly engages in, as well as vengeance against the Aesir he sees as having wronged him come Ragnarok. Culturally, Loki has come to be an archetype of the trickster as the bringer of discord, given Loki's disruption of numerous feasts in legends, especially the death of Baldr.
The relation to Akechi? He rejects his place in the brutally structured hierarchy of Japanese culture. He wants to carve his own place, and burn Shido's world to ashes around him, and he will wear any mask, play any role, and commit any atrocity he can conceive of in order to do so.
The colour scheme of Loki seems to me to be a form of Dazzle Camoflague, where the idea is not to actually conceal a target, but to exploit flaws in human vision to disrupt your ability to look directly at it and draw a line of fire. In motion it becomes indistinct, a haze of color and shape
17:24 I am familiar with this part.
I get that the way people from other other countries say z as zed is their thing but cause ive always said it as zee, it just feels a little weird but thats just me, also I feel like calling zombies zeds makes more sense to me but again that's just me.
So weird they decided to give Yusuke a Digimon as a persona 🤔
That Yusuke image example for Kitagawa is literal intercourse >.>
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al azif in arabic means العازف or the musician
Is it bad that i thought that carmen was based off of carmen sandiago?
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I’m still wondering why his 3rd awakening is called Raoul.
I still don't get how Futaba Makoto Sumire and Sofia fit the whole "Thief" theme of the Personas,Everyone else is a thief in some shape or form but then we have a book a priestess Cinderella and jar...
Most of them share that spirit of rebellion, but yeah the Necronomicon is just a cool character lol. Sophia at least has Pandora, who went against the gods' wishes and opened the box
are you going to go over the 'evolved' personae?
Hopefully I will get around to covering them eventually!
@@Tony4You "eventually"
Very small nitpick, Akechi is redeemed? I hope people don’t actually think this
The best way I describe it is that in the thrd semester he’s like Vegeta in the namek amd Android arcs. He’s an ally but nobody’s forgiven him for anything. And that’s kinda where he’s stuck at unless he gets another appearance post Royal and Strikers.
Ummm... 13:10 ?
Ikr... I had to rewind a little to make sure I saw that right 😂
I gotta say though: I do like that Yusuke is just dancing around in the background while an ancient Japanese sex picture is up on the screen. It made me laugh 🕺🏻
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No it doesn't sound familiar and I took that personally
Jojo copy and paste
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I don’t think u said Cinderella in French correctly.... ☹️ yikes!
:^) sorry
downvoting for including sumire