In 2016, I worked for a whole summer in a lawn mowing company. We use exactly this lawnmower. Every morning it would start up with no problem and mow about 20 residential lots. I'm oldschool, in metal it always works.
Excellent video!!! Especially the pointing out the ease of access on commercial mowers. This is because of the hard use, they require maintenance at an accelerated pace compared to a homeowner. Bread n Butter mower of the commercial crews in DFW. So many positives, however, I do believe that the weight and the inability to fold the handles can be things for a homeowner to consider. I would also suggest when going to purchase a used commercial mower to never lose sight that these work horses are "rode hard and put up wet" much of the time.
I have one too, except mine has a 2 cycle Suzuki engine. The great thing is I have ONE mixed gas can! The deck is a little rough, and I need to replace the wheels ($$), but it runs well. I ordered a new fuel line, fuel filter, and spark plug and will install them next week. I'll get a new muffler at some point. Mine is a push model. A bit heavy, but not drive module to go out. I put a Gator Blade on it and it is the second best mulching mower I've ever had (a Sears model, of all things, mulched better if you can believe that). But yeah, you get a workout with any of these mowers. Lifting them up to work on them is murder.
I just picked up a 1989 toro non recycler. It's powered with a tecumseh ohv engine. It has an aluminum deck with no side discharge. It has a chrome handle with 3 speeds and a turtle/rabbit throttle. It has super recycler wheels and metal backing plates on the rear wheels. It also has the blade brake option. Best of all it came with the bag. I paid $20 for this bad boy.
@@ddmcoulgh yes, I own one. No issues with the steel if you maintain, and agree the engine is a little underpowered, but I’m not a fan of Kaw engines, they burn through spark plugs
Just bought a Honda HRC commercial new. My first impressions are it mulches grass like a king and has tons of power due to the cast iron cylinder sleeve. I had to call 7 dealers to get it. Worth the wait
That Honda HRC is the currently the best deal out there in my opinion. The Toro with the same Honda GXV engine and blade clutch(22296) retails for $2,300. I prefer aluminum deck Toros, but I would not pay an extra $900 over the HRC for one. Great score on that HRC.
I purchased a Toro for $50 15 years ago, conduct annual maintenance...oil, filter, blades, changed out the wheels, carb cleaning. It still running strong.
I have 3 pro guys, who bring these to me, and it's always a pleasure to work on them, I have 3 in my collection, all different items on em, even the highly wanted keystart version, you sir have a highly wanted machine, keep it, and take care of it, and your kids will pass it on to their kids. Nice score.
That's a nice mower you have there, JB! You told me about your John Deere mowers with the Kawasaki engines, so I imagine those are your favorite engines lol! If you back up that transmission knob about 5 clicks and you will be able to operate the drive system without letting go of the bail bar while you round the corners.. I have never owned a Kawasaki before, but I cant imagine any engine beating it!
Hey Paul! Those old deeres with Kawasaki engines were unstoppable! It’s between Honda and Kawasaki for me! I would love to try out a toro commercial mower with a Honda engine! I will definitely give that transmission knob a few clicks! We’ll see how she does! Thanks for the tip!
I have one like it... a 2 stroker! It was one of a pair a pro had for sale; in Hawaii. He bought both new for $950 each (about 10-15 yrs ago). It was lightly used, for $450. I've had it worked on a few years ago. Now it has a bit of a gas leak at the line connected to bottom of the 1 gal tank. After seeing this I think I'll ask them to work on it again. It occasionally starts on first pull.
I have two of the mowers in the 2 stroke version, a 96 version and a 99. These mowers recycle clippings extremely well. I think they're the best overall 21 inch mower made.
Hey former lawn/grounds maint guy here. These are so.much better than the exmark/toro 21s bc of how light they are. We used those exmark 21s for a minute and they are built like tanks but they are TOO.HEAVY. if the ground was at all wet they would rut the ground badly.
Great video… I can see why you wanted one for so long. Great mower. Probably won’t see a current Toro be around in 20 years like this one. Thank you for sharing your video.
I have the same mower, and can tell you that it has only a few miles on it, and probably wasn't used commercially. Older high mileage examples have bald tires. Look at your tires! Tons of lifetimes left on your mower. Congratulations on a spectacular find. Mine has 2004 stamped on it too, but I think I bought it new in the early 2010s.
Nice mower I have 5 with all different engines, Kawasaki, Honda, Briggs, Suzuki 4cycle and two cycle. You can use a zip tie to replace your yellow strap it will look better. I also use an atomic commercial blade part number 104-1302 instead of the recycler blade.
I'm a mower enthusiast from way back. I used to flip about 20 mowers a summer and have owned probably 100 Toro aluminum deck mowers, mostly Suzuki 2 and 4 cycle. I currently own a 22176 and a 22188 (BBC, FJ180V-KAI). This deck design is my personal favorite. Its the best of all worlds. The Snapper Hi-Vac may bag better, but it doesn't mulch well. A Lawn-Boy gold series with a Duroforce may mulch well, but it won't bag well. The Deere 14SB/JX75 does both well, but you can't get the FC150 without the blade clutch. Honda is solid, but there have been a few more deck designs and not a lot of cross over. It is the best all around design, in my opinion of course.
My Grandparents have a 1997 Toro Supper Recycler with the 3 speed transmission. Has the classic Brigs flathead engine on it, I swear that engine has been nocking for years (it rarely ever had oil changes done and it burns oil) but still fires up on the first pull and has been used ever since it was new!
I have a Toro Commercial model 22035, from the '80's, with the Suzuki two cycle. Same deck, wheels, and handle, but with a metal fuel tank. It's hands down, the best mower I have ever used. Heavy, yes but very maneuverable. In my opinion, the best mower for me, at least. Did you get rid of the JX85? I have been looking for one to take the wheels, height adjusters, and transmission, and put them on my 12SB.
Hey Jeffrey! Those are awesome mowers as well! The metal fuels tanks are great too! I ended up parting out the JX85. In the same week the blade brake clutch and the transmission broke! Crazy but I did some serious time with it! Was over $600 in parts so I just parted it out! If I find another I’ll keep it around! Where ya from bud?
Great video and excellent content! I recently found a Toro 22160 proline for sale, ....I believe the model year to be 1999. I currently run a one man mowing operation with a Canadian Tire residential/homeowner mower. Do you think a machine like this would be overkill for small-medium residential yards? I'm doing about 10 yards a week and hoping to take on more. Thanks for the help!
Nice score. In your Honda HRX vs Toro Super Recycler video I mentioned my 1991 Suzuki 2-cycle powered Toro Recycler cutting far better than my Honda HRX. That '91 Recycler has nearly the same deck as your commercial mower, although I assume it is a few pounds lighter. Plastic wheels too as it is a consumer model. I got the mower for free because the blade clutch was bad. It was a $70 part plus $15 for the blade belt but it went up another $12 the year after I bought it and was discontinued the year after that. I am glad I bought the replacement blade clutch when I did to keep that old mower cutting. My mower did not come with a bag but I curb-picked one off a mower I saw in the trash. Yours should use the same bag as all the Toro commercial and consumer mowers from the late '80's up to early 2000's. Tons of those old bags out there on the cheap. I am sure you will find one before the leaves fall.
Hey Eric! Keep that Suzuki for as long as you can! Incredible mowers! Already got a cool fan hooking me up with a bag! Super cool guy! It’s pretty cool how these older mowers bring us so much joy lol! 👍
@@GarageGear I recently saw a commercial Toro with the Suzuki 2-cycle on craigslist in Kenosha Wi for $150. Non-blade clutch version like yours. Very clean with bag included too. It sold a week ago, but he ad is still up.
I have one ( Toro ) that is very similar to this one only my engine is a Suzuki 2 cycle. Bought it new many years ago and has always been a great mower. Looks like it will just about last forever !! Take Care !!!
You're talking my kind of lawn mower .I just seen one of these on my other channel that I watch. Gonna watch some more your videos I'm all about lawn mowers And tractors.Your channel has that I want it Thank you for the video
WOW! It is even older than my 2007 Model No 20056 Super Recycler. Maybe someday you can do a review on that one. I wish you were my neighbor. 117 likes now . I will keep mine as long as it runs.
@@GarageGear It sure is temping to buy a SmartStow one and PowerReverse. I really look forward to when you review the 2024 Recycler. Maybe both features will be on the 2024 Super Recycler. It sure would be nice if Toro would send me a Free one to Keep and review. NO CHANCE!!
Wow, what a great find JB! That’s definitely one tough mower. It’s a beast! I’m guessing it’s gonna be your go to mower. Your lawn looks really good considering our lack of rain. What’s up for the weekend since we can finally spend some time outdoors? Great video buddy!
Thanks Jay! Definitely a keeper! It’s been getting some hours for sure! I have been watering twice a week! Soaking the lawn each time! Supposedly we’re getting some rain this week! Time will tell! Putting bigger tires on the Jeep! Cleaning the pool how about you bud?
I don't know anymore but I vaguely remember my grandparents old manual push mower giving the best lawn cut, plus it's the workout every growing boy needs to get strong. I spent a bit of time behind that thing. < 💪
Those older mowers were quite the workout! Explains why you’re so chiseled and fit! Who needs a gym membership when you got one of those right? What’s the plan for the rest of the weekend space cadet?
Which also explains on why Greens on a golf course look so nice. They are also called a reel mower. A bigger version which is part of a riding mower is used on golf courses to make the greens look nice.
I have a toro recycler with a 5hp Briggs and Stratton that runs great. I broke the control cable for the 3 speed gear box so I ordered a new one put it on only to have the cable come out of the crimped spot under the control selector handle. Any suggestions on how I can hold the cable in place and keep it from moving while I change gears?
Hello JB, why don't you do a video on older Honda's. For example the Commercial HRC216's or HR215's or HR214's ? I have one of each and these Honda lawn mowers are virtually indestructible provided one performs proper general maintenance after every growing season. One other thing, most Lawn service dudes beat the CHit out of these Honda lawn mowers, so It's tough to find one that isn't beat to hell.
Question about the transmission. My 21” seems to not go to “neutral” when you let the bar half way down. Basically if I put it in whichever gear and then want to make a turn in neutral the rear wheels keep driving even when you let the bar down. If I keep letting it down it obviously stalls out. Anyone know if it’s an adjustment issue?
Hey Colin there is a little black dial on top of the gear lever on the back of the mower. I heard turning that adjusts the transmission speed. This may help you out but I’m not sure exactly. Worth a shot.
Great mower. Found one in similar condition mftr date 2005, same model. Have not mowed much with it, but just sharpening the blade, have a great cut. On changing oil. did you tip the engine to dump oil or use drain plug? Looking forward to using the mower, but the 3.25" max cut may be a little low.
Hey nibs! I actually used an extraction pump to get the oil out. That is another gear grinder lol! It only goes up so high. Very cool you found your own!
The commercial Toro was all we ran for twenty years. They are a beast. My second choice back in the day: Commericial Snapper with 6 horse commercial Honda.
I have that same mower with a Honda engine I bought brand new years ago. It’s a beast guy try to buy it from me last month. This thing is heavy. You bought a great mower.
@@slingnstixscrappiefishing8859 geez you could take all the hood parts off of each. Make one good one and sell all the rest of the parts and make a lot of your money back.
What is the best push mower and what are the best brand of push mower to get what is the difference between briggs and stratton and MD besides it being the same company
I had a toro proline with a Honda engine, bought it used and did me very well I've never had issues. It's sad that I had to sell it cuz of covid and also moved to another state.
I work at a Toro Dealership for 26 going on 27 years. I remember when these were new. Excellent machine and I've noticed after 2005 Toro has been going downhill. Sorry to say.
The TV5002 ones are the best… Some how i’ve sniped 4 off marketplace this month, all under $150 listed price. One was basically free at $75 for all (I had to buy bulk with 5 other junk mowers). Back online as a bulk deal for everything except the TV5002. One neighbor probably thinks I’ve lost my mind🤣, another neighbor works for the county & knows exactly why… Where TF are you finding these?!?! I keep all classified ads sites open & check often… I always run 25:1, so I have one gas can for everything. A like new pre EPA Shindaiwa T-27 that I bought from OG owner, 1 Shindaiwa T-2500 & 3 Redmax BC2600. All 4 (NOS) discounted at a local mower shop.
Aluminum decks are very nice. I owed a Lawnboy in the mid 1990s that had one. Yeah that is once nice commercial grade mower. Man 1 Gallon gas tank man talk about a very nice feature.
Definitely would love your thoughts on the Kawasaki FJ180V Kai vs the Honda GCV160. Being this is Honda's last year it makes me curious. I love the Kawasaki though!
I believe Honda said they will continue to make their GX series of engines. No oil filter on those Honda GXVs so a oil change is less expensive, and they still last forever.
@@WisconsinEric Good to know on the GXV's. If I could Frankenstein one onto an old Murray 22" with the Bicycle Wheels I might opt for that. Seems hilarious to do to a mower but I genuinely will consider it if I can locate one. My grandfather had one and my Uncle ran off with it. I always wanted it. At least I don't have to buy an engine now. Kawasaki's are good, just far more complex when something breaks compared to the Honda.
@@ChicagoSirens oh that’s a tough one! I’m gonna say the jx85 because it’s lighter and easier to get around. The commercial toro cuts great and is the better Mulcher but is very heavy!
@ That’s what I thought as well. Also I found the cut on the John Deere to be much better than the Toro in bagging, but the Toro was superior in mulching and I’m in bagging. Would you get another JX85 if you came across one?
Bought a toro 21462 in May of 2022. Always used nonethanol gas and its going back to the shop for the second time this year (will not start). It has a B&S engine and its nothing but problems. I have owned a Toro Titan and it was one of the best I have ever had. I will never buy another mower with a BS engine. Has anyone else had these problems? Dealer claimed it was bad gas, but it ran once and died after getting it home. I always use fresh nonethanol gas.
Hey Paul I can’t even tell you how many times I have heard this where shops say it was bad gas. Wish they would just help correct the problem somehow. Thanks for sharing
Ya sure don’t MACE! I rarely see these pop up! Like once a year maybe. I should have bet the farm you were gonna comment on the first date remark lol! Can always count on ya bud! I’ve had some pretty sweet first dates… but this mower tho…
@@ommah3667 if you check your specific model on number on the top of the deck behind the engine you should be able to find the parts you need for it. 👍
I bought two newer toro commercial 21s used last year. Both are Model 22298. Everything said here applies to them. I also have a super recycler with a Honda engine and a John Deere 14sb. The 22298 models are still in production.
they aren't overbuilt it's just that machines nowadays are underbuilt and designed that way to break after a few seasons so that you can buy another one.
That mower is definately a keeper, I use a John Deere JA65 with the Kawasaki engine and it always starts runs excellent, also very heavy, and I also use a JX85 and a Honda as well.
@@GarageGear Agreed. I sold one about 12 years ago and have regretted it ever since. When you do find one, unless the seller doesn’t know what they have, you have to pay a premium
@@brodygoalie that would be nice but they have way too many rules to follow when partnering with them. It’s insane. Even little weird stuff like wearing pants and eye protection in your videos .
Same design but all part numbers of gears and shafts are different. I believe my 1991 Recycler has the same 3-speed transmission as your Lawn Boy. The commercial uses roller bearings on the input shaft and the consumer uses ball bearings. The commercial also has a grease fitting to add grease to the top of the transmission through the plastic cover.
@@Ryanvd1 Looks that way. A few months ago I looked into the parts page of Toro's current commercial mowers that cost $1,900-$2,300 and they use ball bearings on the input shaft of their 3-speed transmissions like the old consumer mowers. I can not remember if they had the grease fitting but I am thinking they did not. I am betting your cast aluminum Lawn Boy would cost $1,300-$1,500 or more if brought to market today. My 1991 cast aluminum Recycler with Suzuki 2-cycle was $550 in '91 and it did not come with a bag, you had to pay extra for it and the bagging chute/mulch plug for the chute. All that would add up to over $1,400 of todays devalued US Dollars when plugged into an inflation calculator.
Such a cool mower, I remember all the landscaping companies having this on their trailer. JB what are your thoughts on doing some videos on riding mowers? I have to use a push and rider with the size at my house and there don’t see to be too many videos on riders…love the content as always!
Wow! You never see or, let lone find 1 of these in even decent condition. They were litterly a MACK truck of a mower. Now the new version is pretty good. But, nothing like this. Toro realized they were making these too good. If you like this mower. Don’t ever sell it; because you’ll never find another one in this shape.
Awesome find, JB! That TORO model is a tank of a mower. And your yellow strap "fix" is right up my alley. I disable every moronic "safety mechanism" on every machine I own. Why? Because I'm not a window-licking retard who needs to be protected from my own stupidity on a daily basis. Rock on, my Brother!!!!!
It sure is Brother! Weighs as much as one too! Not even kidding! It’s super heavy! You’re powered by common sense too!! I wish you were my neighbor bud! We would have a blast with all our lawn equipment!
Appreciate you yale! I won’t purchase one! After all the ones I was sent this spring and after seeing the lack of quality and poorly designed plastic parts I would much rather stick with gas. The only thing I would maybe consider going electric on is a string trimmer because of it’s intermittent use. Batteries will last a lot longer with that!
How come almost everything but electronics is getting worse? My super recycler from 2005 is better than a new one, I like my older cars better too without all the BS, lane avoidance, auto braking, stop start, tiny turbo engines that last 120,000 miles. It seems like so many things get worse and worse, even the life of appliances. Either corners are cut for profit and compromises are made for government mandated fuel economy and emissions. Things are getting more and more disposable.
Consumers keep demanding that manufacturers help them blind themselves to the devaluation of the US Dollar. Consumer Honda and Toro mowers of the early 90's cost $550-$600+, and many including the Toro Recyclers did Not come with a bag, you had to pay extra for it. If you put those numbers into an inflation calculator you are looking at $1,400+ for a consumer mower. Today Honda and Toro are building exactly what American consumers demand, cheap disposable crap.
@@GarageGear I still listen to music on a pair of 1985 Yamaha speakers powered by a 1989 Yamaha receiver. Nothing new could come close for under $2,000. In the '70's it was common for Americans to spend a months salary on their HiFi stereos.
@@GarageGear Imagine when the democrats make us get rid of fuel powered cars. Used cars are going to be worth a fortune. I suspect as demand for fuel goes down eventually that gasoline will go down so they'll ad a $2.00 per gallon "carbon tax" to each gallon or something. They are already moving up the electric car timeline. Biden wants 60% of new car sales to be electric by 2032 now and the EPA is going to make it very hard for fuel powered vehicles to pass the standards earlier than before. They know we won't accept inferior vehicles unless they force us into it. It will slow the process some if democrats lose the majority and/or the white house but even a lot of republicans are on board with "man made climate change" and the peasants changing our lifestyles. The people in power won't change anything of course, this change is for the peasants.
In 2016, I worked for a whole summer in a lawn mowing company. We use exactly this lawnmower. Every morning it would start up with no problem and mow about 20 residential lots. I'm oldschool, in metal it always works.
This is awesome Gabriel! These mowers can run for days on end and never quit! ROCK ON!
Excellent video!!! Especially the pointing out the ease of access on commercial mowers. This is because of the hard use, they require maintenance at an accelerated pace compared to a homeowner.
Bread n Butter mower of the commercial crews in DFW. So many positives, however, I do believe that the weight and the inability to fold the handles can be things for a homeowner to consider.
I would also suggest when going to purchase a used commercial mower to never lose sight that these work horses are "rode hard and put up wet" much of the time.
Appreciate you gls! All good points here my friend! 👍
I have one too, except mine has a 2 cycle Suzuki engine. The great thing is I have ONE mixed gas can! The deck is a little rough, and I need to replace the wheels ($$), but it runs well. I ordered a new fuel line, fuel filter, and spark plug and will install them next week. I'll get a new muffler at some point. Mine is a push model. A bit heavy, but not drive module to go out. I put a Gator Blade on it and it is the second best mulching mower I've ever had (a Sears model, of all things, mulched better if you can believe that). But yeah, you get a workout with any of these mowers. Lifting them up to work on them is murder.
Great mower my friend! Heavy as sin lol! Keep that puppy around as long as you can!
I just picked up a 1989 toro non recycler. It's powered with a tecumseh ohv engine. It has an aluminum deck with no side discharge. It has a chrome handle with 3 speeds and a turtle/rabbit throttle. It has super recycler wheels and metal backing plates on the rear wheels. It also has the blade brake option. Best of all it came with the bag. I paid $20 for this bad boy.
Sounds like a sweet deal Bob! 👍
Now you need to find a commercial Honda HRC for comparison. They are always recommended over the Residential lines for a reason
I’ll be keeping an eye out! Thanks for watching Keith!
The Honda has a steel deck that will eventually rust, and the 160cc Honda is underpowered compared to the Kaw 180.
@@ddmcoulgh yes, I own one. No issues with the steel if you maintain, and agree the engine is a little underpowered, but I’m not a fan of Kaw engines, they burn through spark plugs
Just bought a Honda HRC commercial new. My first impressions are it mulches grass like a king and has tons of power due to the cast iron cylinder sleeve. I had to call 7 dealers to get it. Worth the wait
Very cool my friend! Good things are always worth the wait! 👍
That Honda HRC is the currently the best deal out there in my opinion. The Toro with the same Honda GXV engine and blade clutch(22296) retails for $2,300. I prefer aluminum deck Toros, but I would not pay an extra $900 over the HRC for one. Great score on that HRC.
@@WisconsinEric thanks for sharing this Eric!
I purchased a Toro for $50 15 years ago, conduct annual maintenance...oil, filter, blades, changed out the wheels, carb cleaning. It still running strong.
What a deal! 👍
I have 3 pro guys, who bring these to me, and it's always a pleasure to work on them, I have 3 in my collection, all different items on em, even the highly wanted keystart version, you sir have a highly wanted machine, keep it, and take care of it, and your kids will pass it on to their kids. Nice score.
Very cool Knighthawk! These machines are one of a kind! Mine ain’t going anywhere! 👍👍
@@GarageGear lawnmowers will likely be illegal when his grandkids come around
That's a nice mower you have there, JB! You told me about your John Deere mowers with the Kawasaki engines, so I imagine those are your favorite engines lol! If you back up that transmission knob about 5 clicks and you will be able to operate the drive system without letting go of the bail bar while you round the corners.. I have never owned a Kawasaki before, but I cant imagine any engine beating it!
Hey Paul! Those old deeres with Kawasaki engines were unstoppable! It’s between Honda and Kawasaki for me! I would love to try out a toro commercial mower with a Honda engine! I will definitely give that transmission knob a few clicks! We’ll see how she does! Thanks for the tip!
@@GarageGear I adjust all my Toros so that it only takes about 7/8" to release the drive! It's finger tip actuated lol
I have one like it... a 2 stroker! It was one of a pair a pro had for sale; in Hawaii. He bought both new for $950 each (about 10-15 yrs ago). It was lightly used, for $450. I've had it worked on a few years ago. Now it has a bit of a gas leak at the line connected to bottom of the 1 gal tank. After seeing this I think I'll ask them to work on it again. It occasionally starts on first pull.
@@mjl.9-19 you my friend have a very rare mower! Hold onto that one!
I have two of the mowers in the 2 stroke version, a 96 version and a 99. These mowers recycle clippings extremely well. I think they're the best overall 21 inch mower made.
I would agree with you on that my friend! Those are amazing machines!
Hey former lawn/grounds maint guy here. These are so.much better than the exmark/toro 21s bc of how light they are. We used those exmark 21s for a minute and they are built like tanks but they are TOO.HEAVY. if the ground was at all wet they would rut the ground badly.
Thanks for sharing this cycle
Great video… I can see why you wanted one for so long. Great mower. Probably won’t see a current Toro be around in 20 years like this one. Thank you for sharing your video.
New ones don’t stand a chance lol! Thanks for watching Steve!
I have the same mower, and can tell you that it has only a few miles on it, and probably wasn't used commercially. Older high mileage examples have bald tires. Look at your tires! Tons of lifetimes left on your mower. Congratulations on a spectacular find.
Mine has 2004 stamped on it too, but I think I bought it new in the early 2010s.
Wow! How do you like mowing with it my friend? Thanks for sharing
Nice mower I have 5 with all different engines, Kawasaki, Honda, Briggs, Suzuki 4cycle and two cycle. You can use a zip tie to replace your yellow strap it will look better. I also use an atomic commercial blade part number 104-1302 instead of the recycler blade.
Hey Billy! Very cool my friend! I will definitely have to give that blade a try! Thanks for the model number👍
I think, EXCELLENT job w/strap! Did that w/a Sears rider, bypassed switch to keep running when off seat. That Toro Commercial is awesome!!! 👍
Thanks rice! Appreciate you bud! I think there will be more videos coming on this bad boy! Have a good weekend!
I'm a mower enthusiast from way back. I used to flip about 20 mowers a summer and have owned probably 100 Toro aluminum deck mowers, mostly Suzuki 2 and 4 cycle. I currently own a 22176 and a 22188 (BBC, FJ180V-KAI). This deck design is my personal favorite. Its the best of all worlds. The Snapper Hi-Vac may bag better, but it doesn't mulch well. A Lawn-Boy gold series with a Duroforce may mulch well, but it won't bag well. The Deere 14SB/JX75 does both well, but you can't get the FC150 without the blade clutch. Honda is solid, but there have been a few more deck designs and not a lot of cross over. It is the best all around design, in my opinion of course.
ROCK ON MIKE! Thanks for sharing this with the community!
My Grandparents have a 1997 Toro Supper Recycler with the 3 speed transmission. Has the classic Brigs flathead engine on it, I swear that engine has been nocking for years (it rarely ever had oil changes done and it burns oil) but still fires up on the first pull and has been used ever since it was new!
Awesome Joseph thanks for sharing this!
I have a Toro Commercial model 22035, from the '80's, with the Suzuki two cycle. Same deck, wheels, and handle, but with a metal fuel tank. It's hands down, the best mower I have ever used. Heavy, yes but very maneuverable. In my opinion, the best mower for me, at least. Did you get rid of the JX85? I have been looking for one to take the wheels, height adjusters, and transmission, and put them on my 12SB.
Hey Jeffrey! Those are awesome mowers as well! The metal fuels tanks are great too! I ended up parting out the JX85. In the same week the blade brake clutch and the transmission broke! Crazy but I did some serious time with it! Was over $600 in parts so I just parted it out! If I find another I’ll keep it around! Where ya from bud?
Great video and excellent content! I recently found a Toro 22160 proline for sale, ....I believe the model year to be 1999. I currently run a one man mowing operation with a Canadian Tire residential/homeowner mower. Do you think a machine like this would be overkill for small-medium residential yards? I'm doing about 10 yards a week and hoping to take on more. Thanks for the help!
@@LateNightPedals I don’t think so. It’s heavy but also heavy duty and won’t give you a hard time! Appreciate the positive feedback
Nice score. In your Honda HRX vs Toro Super Recycler video I mentioned my 1991 Suzuki 2-cycle powered Toro Recycler cutting far better than my Honda HRX. That '91 Recycler has nearly the same deck as your commercial mower, although I assume it is a few pounds lighter. Plastic wheels too as it is a consumer model. I got the mower for free because the blade clutch was bad. It was a $70 part plus $15 for the blade belt but it went up another $12 the year after I bought it and was discontinued the year after that. I am glad I bought the replacement blade clutch when I did to keep that old mower cutting.
My mower did not come with a bag but I curb-picked one off a mower I saw in the trash. Yours should use the same bag as all the Toro commercial and consumer mowers from the late '80's up to early 2000's. Tons of those old bags out there on the cheap. I am sure you will find one before the leaves fall.
Hey Eric! Keep that Suzuki for as long as you can! Incredible mowers! Already got a cool fan hooking me up with a bag! Super cool guy! It’s pretty cool how these older mowers bring us so much joy lol! 👍
@@GarageGear I recently saw a commercial Toro with the Suzuki 2-cycle on craigslist in Kenosha Wi for $150. Non-blade clutch version like yours. Very clean with bag included too. It sold a week ago, but he ad is still up.
@@WisconsinEric finding one of those is seriously like finding a needle in a haystack!
I have one ( Toro ) that is very similar to this one only my engine is a Suzuki 2 cycle. Bought it new many years ago and has always been a great mower. Looks like it will just about last forever !! Take Care !!!
Those are great mowers. You can’t go wrong with those. Keep that baby around as long as you can.
You're talking my kind of lawn mower .I just seen one of these on my other channel that I watch. Gonna watch some more your videos I'm all about lawn mowers And tractors.Your channel has that I want it Thank you for the video
Awesome! Thanks for the positive feedback.
WOW! It is even older than my 2007 Model No 20056 Super Recycler. Maybe someday you can do a review on that one. I wish you were my neighbor. 117 likes now . I will keep mine as long as it runs.
I wish you were my neighbor too Gregory! Keep that baby as long as you can!
@@GarageGear It sure is temping to buy a SmartStow one and PowerReverse. I really look forward to when you review the 2024 Recycler. Maybe both features will be on the 2024 Super Recycler. It sure would be nice if Toro would send me a Free one to Keep and review. NO CHANCE!!
@@gregoryeditor6500 I’ll see what I can do next season!
@@GarageGear Thank You!
Wow, what a great find JB! That’s definitely one tough mower. It’s a beast! I’m guessing it’s gonna be your go to mower. Your lawn looks really good considering our lack of rain. What’s up for the weekend since we can finally spend some time outdoors? Great video buddy!
Thanks Jay! Definitely a keeper! It’s been getting some hours for sure! I have been watering twice a week! Soaking the lawn each time! Supposedly we’re getting some rain this week! Time will tell! Putting bigger tires on the Jeep! Cleaning the pool how about you bud?
@@GarageGear probably going over to my son's house, we have a new Grandson, this makes 3 now! Proud Papa here!
@@jaybooth4815 congratulations my friend! Very cool news! 👍
I don't know anymore but I vaguely remember my grandparents old manual push mower giving the best lawn cut, plus it's the workout every growing boy needs to get strong. I spent a bit of time behind that thing. < 💪
Those older mowers were quite the workout! Explains why you’re so chiseled and fit! Who needs a gym membership when you got one of those right? What’s the plan for the rest of the weekend space cadet?
Which also explains on why Greens on a golf course look so nice. They are also called a reel mower. A bigger version which is part of a riding mower is used on golf courses to make the greens look nice.
I have a toro recycler with a 5hp Briggs and Stratton that runs great. I broke the control cable for the 3 speed gear box so I ordered a new one put it on only to have the cable come out of the crimped spot under the control selector handle. Any suggestions on how I can hold the cable in place and keep it from moving while I change gears?
Hey stoolie is there a mount you can put on the handle bar to help hold the cable in place?
I have the 2021 with a Honda. The last walk behind I’ll ever have to buy.
I would love to give that a try!
Hello JB, why don't you do a video on older Honda's. For example the Commercial HRC216's or HR215's or HR214's ? I have one of each and these Honda lawn mowers are virtually indestructible provided one performs proper general maintenance after every growing season. One other thing, most Lawn service dudes beat the CHit out of these Honda lawn mowers, so It's tough to find one that isn't beat to hell.
Hey Chris! I don’t really see those mowers pop up near me. If they do they are usually gone fast! I’ll be keeping an eye out! 👍
Question about the transmission. My 21” seems to not go to “neutral” when you let the bar half way down. Basically if I put it in whichever gear and then want to make a turn in neutral the rear wheels keep driving even when you let the bar down. If I keep letting it down it obviously stalls out. Anyone know if it’s an adjustment issue?
Hey Colin there is a little black dial on top of the gear lever on the back of the mower. I heard turning that adjusts the transmission speed. This may help you out but I’m not sure exactly. Worth a shot.
Great machine. Used one at church for a decade.
Great mower. Found one in similar condition mftr date 2005, same model. Have not mowed much with it, but just sharpening the blade, have a great cut. On changing oil. did you tip the engine to dump oil or use drain plug? Looking forward to using the mower, but the 3.25" max cut may be a little low.
Hey nibs! I actually used an extraction pump to get the oil out. That is another gear grinder lol! It only goes up so high. Very cool you found your own!
The commercial Toro was all we ran for twenty years. They are a beast. My second choice back in the day: Commericial Snapper with 6 horse commercial Honda.
Thanks for sharing! That was a good more back in the day too.
Still have mine. 18 years old.
Awesome machines! 👍👍👍
I have that same mower with a Honda engine I bought brand new years ago. It’s a beast guy try to buy it from me last month. This thing is heavy. You bought a great mower.
She ain’t leaving my garage! Thanks for sharing and watching
I just found two for sales 600.00 a piece thinking about jumping on it
@@slingnstixscrappiefishing8859 geez you could take all the hood parts off of each. Make one good one and sell all the rest of the parts and make a lot of your money back.
What is the best push mower and what are the best brand of push mower to get what is the difference between briggs and stratton and MD besides it being the same company
@@CodyCanon-l1n Honda makes a good residential mower that will last a long time. Do you mean MTD?
Cleaner than a nun’s vocabulary!!!!
Sure is! It’s in incredible shape! 👍 thanks for watching
I had a toro proline with a Honda engine, bought it used and did me very well I've never had issues. It's sad that I had to sell it cuz of covid and also moved to another state.
I’ll miss that mower for you too. lol thanks for sharing ed
I work at a Toro Dealership for 26 going on 27 years. I remember when these were new. Excellent machine and I've noticed after 2005 Toro has been going downhill. Sorry to say.
It’s a shame to see a big company fall like this! Thanks for sharing!
no problem dude.Hang onto your machine as long as possible :)
The TV5002 ones are the best… Some how i’ve sniped 4 off marketplace this month, all under $150 listed price. One was basically free at $75 for all (I had to buy bulk with 5 other junk mowers). Back online as a bulk deal for everything except the TV5002. One neighbor probably thinks I’ve lost my mind🤣, another neighbor works for the county & knows exactly why… Where TF are you finding these?!?! I keep all classified ads sites open & check often… I always run 25:1, so I have one gas can for everything. A like new pre EPA Shindaiwa T-27 that I bought from OG owner, 1 Shindaiwa T-2500 & 3 Redmax BC2600. All 4 (NOS) discounted at a local mower shop.
damn that mower bringing back old memories lol
They’re great aren’t they? Heavy as sin too lol!
I have a Snapper commercial 21 inch with the same engine, I bought it new in 2006 and have had no problems at all. You got a great deal on that.
Awesome to hear Thomas! Thanks for watching bud! 👍
Aluminum decks are very nice. I owed a Lawnboy in the mid 1990s that had one. Yeah that is once nice commercial grade mower. Man 1 Gallon gas tank man talk about a very nice feature.
You can mow forever with a gallon gas tank! 👍 those old lawn boys were great too!
Definitely would love your thoughts on the Kawasaki FJ180V Kai vs the Honda GCV160. Being this is Honda's last year it makes me curious. I love the Kawasaki though!
Could be a good video! Thanks for watching vultain!
I believe Honda said they will continue to make their GX series of engines. No oil filter on those Honda GXVs so a oil change is less expensive, and they still last forever.
@@WisconsinEric Good to know on the GXV's. If I could Frankenstein one onto an old Murray 22" with the Bicycle Wheels I might opt for that. Seems hilarious to do to a mower but I genuinely will consider it if I can locate one.
My grandfather had one and my Uncle ran off with it. I always wanted it. At least I don't have to buy an engine now. Kawasaki's are good, just far more complex when something breaks compared to the Honda.
@@GarageGear You're welcome and if that video ever comes out I look forward to it!
Between the JX85 and this Proline 21, which do you think was a better commercial mower?
@@ChicagoSirens oh that’s a tough one! I’m gonna say the jx85 because it’s lighter and easier to get around. The commercial toro cuts great and is the better Mulcher but is very heavy!
@ That’s what I thought as well. Also I found the cut on the John Deere to be much better than the Toro in bagging, but the Toro was superior in mulching and I’m in bagging. Would you get another JX85 if you came across one?
@@ChicagoSirens I would totally get another if I came across it. 👍
im having trouble finding bag because its on the side
Did you search on eBay?
Your vids are legit boii . Would love to see a review on a Honda hrc216!!
Thanks for the feedback! I’ll see what I can do in future videos. Thanks for watching!
Aluminum decks are dinosaurs for a very good reason.
This one mowed Jurassic Park 30 years ago lol!
Looking forward to the video to keep up long term thoughts
I’ll probably be doing more videos on this guy! What’s up for the weekend bud?
@@GarageGear window shopping through various Home Depot's to see if I can catch a good deal because father day is next week
Nice find JD.
Appreciate you Rob!
I used a loose wire tie
ROCK ON JS! Anytime I see a mower like these I immediately put a cheat strap on them! Have a good rest of your week my friend!
That new GARAGE GEAR sign is pretty sweet!
Thanks Flint! The Garage Gal got it for my birthday last month! Pretty cool and pretty heavy!
Bought a toro 21462 in May of 2022. Always used nonethanol gas and its going back to the shop for the second time this year (will not start). It has a B&S engine and its nothing but problems. I have owned a Toro Titan and it was one of the best I have ever had. I will never buy another mower with a BS engine. Has anyone else had these problems? Dealer claimed it was bad gas, but it ran once and died after getting it home. I always use fresh nonethanol gas.
Hey Paul I can’t even tell you how many times I have heard this where shops say it was bad gas. Wish they would just help correct the problem somehow. Thanks for sharing
I have come to hit the LIKE button even before I see your video uploads JB! You just know when you know....this is goona be good!
Appreciate you Joe! Shoot me an email when you get a chance! It’s in the description 👍
Awesome find, JB! Don't see many Kawasaki-powered mowers running around anymore...
Also, some first dates are sweeter than others. Just sayin...
Ya sure don’t MACE! I rarely see these pop up! Like once a year maybe. I should have bet the farm you were gonna comment on the first date remark lol! Can always count on ya bud! I’ve had some pretty sweet first dates… but this mower tho…
Very impressive machine. Great find JB 👍
Thanks Smallblock! It’s a killer machine! What’s up for the weekend?
@@GarageGear Yard work at Mom's today. Double header softball games tomorrow.
@@smallblock412 nice busy weekend! 👍
Someone can please tell me what is the part number for carburetor and air filter for that mower
I would like to know as well. There has to be manual online somewhere. Thanks for watching
have 20 year old commercial snapper with a robin subaru engine on it and runs and mows great with thick deck it heavy
@@loading5100 awesome thanks for sharing my friend!
@@GarageGear really cool to see that you check comments on older videos since i didn’t realize how long it has been out love your content
@@loading5100 I try my best to get back to most if not all comments within 24 hours. 👍
Really nice find. That mower is built to last. 👍🙏👍🙏
Sure is my friend! Thanks for watching
What is the rear drive wheel part number?
Not exactly sure. I’ll see if I can find a manual.
@@GarageGear thank you. A new subscriber
Just get one yesterday. Great working condition with one busted rear wheel
@@ommah3667 if you check your specific model on number on the top of the deck behind the engine you should be able to find the parts you need for it. 👍
@@GarageGear ok thanks. Get it 121-1380
What a beast nice mower
It’s an animal! The cut is superb too! Have a good weekend David! Thanks for watching
Awesome find an awesome video JB! Really enjoyed it! Thanks for putting this together for us! Take care! Andrew from NB :)
You got it Andrew! More to come on this and some other toro content next week! Thanks for being awesome my friend!
Great review. So there is NOTHING brand new that is as good as this? Those dang bean counters have struck again!
Kubota makes one that is absolutely rock solid and I want to give it a go! Metal everything!
I bought two newer toro commercial 21s used last year. Both are Model 22298. Everything said here applies to them. I also have a super recycler with a Honda engine and a John Deere 14sb. The 22298 models are still in production.
@@bjcrouch2 solid line up you got there!
Wow, great buy! Love seeing older overbuilt equipment. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks gpal! This is how mowers should be made! Have a great weekend bud!
they aren't overbuilt it's just that machines nowadays are underbuilt and designed that way to break after a few seasons so that you can buy another one.
A Toro that even blows Honda out of the water, pretty rare to see that.
Very rare sighting! Thanks for watching BCSERK! Have a good rest of your weekend bud!
That mower is definately a keeper, I use a John Deere JA65 with the Kawasaki engine and it always starts runs excellent, also very heavy, and I also use a JX85 and a Honda as well.
Great mowers you have there! 👍👍👍
@Garage Gear thank you, also fun fact this mower will last forever, it will be the last mower you will ever have to buy.
@@Dave7160 💯 agree Dave! I’ll still be checking marketplace but it’s gonna be hard to beat this guy!
@Garage Gear thank you that's very true, but this one is quality not quantity being pushed out the door. Have a good day.
Only thing that would make this better would be the Suzuki 2 stroke
Those are hard to find!
@@GarageGear Agreed. I sold one about 12 years ago and have regretted it ever since. When you do find one, unless the seller doesn’t know what they have, you have to pay a premium
@@jbear7878 💯agree my friend! I’ve seen some go for $100 or less and then those going for $700!
How about the tiro commercial 21 inch mower that is $2 k. Can you review that one please!
Would love to get my hands on one of those! Just need to find $2,000 bucks somewhere??? 🤔lol
@@GarageGear have Toro give you one to review!
@@brodygoalie that would be nice but they have way too many rules to follow when partnering with them. It’s insane. Even little weird stuff like wearing pants and eye protection in your videos .
Does that have the same transmission as a mid 90s lawn boy gold series 3 speed? I know mine is built like a car transmission with all metal gears.
Same design but all part numbers of gears and shafts are different. I believe my 1991 Recycler has the same 3-speed transmission as your Lawn Boy. The commercial uses roller bearings on the input shaft and the consumer uses ball bearings. The commercial also has a grease fitting to add grease to the top of the transmission through the plastic cover.
@@WisconsinEric oh gotcha so similar, just extra beefed up.
@@Ryanvd1 Looks that way. A few months ago I looked into the parts page of Toro's current commercial mowers that cost $1,900-$2,300 and they use ball bearings on the input shaft of their 3-speed transmissions like the old consumer mowers. I can not remember if they had the grease fitting but I am thinking they did not. I am betting your cast aluminum Lawn Boy would cost $1,300-$1,500 or more if brought to market today. My 1991 cast aluminum Recycler with Suzuki 2-cycle was $550 in '91 and it did not come with a bag, you had to pay extra for it and the bagging chute/mulch plug for the chute. All that would add up to over $1,400 of todays devalued US Dollars when plugged into an inflation calculator.
What is the weight of this machine? I got a 2019 model of the commercial 21 inch and it is about 120-125 lbs
Not exactly sure but it’s way up there! This is by far the heaviest mower in my garage! I would say around that or heavier
JB I want 1?
They’re out there Mark! Keep an eye out! I tried getting a few in the past but they were already sold! Thanks for watching bud!
Such a cool mower, I remember all the landscaping companies having this on their trailer.
JB what are your thoughts on doing some videos on riding mowers? I have to use a push and rider with the size at my house and there don’t see to be too many videos on riders…love the content as always!
Hey Nick! I wouldn’t mind doing riders but I have zero space in my garage for one! Perhaps if I expand/move down the road! Thanks for watching bud!
Im searching for a reasonable honda fommercial mower
They’re out there! Keep your eyes peeled 👍
Wow! You never see or, let lone find 1 of these in even decent condition. They were litterly a MACK truck of a mower. Now the new version is pretty good. But, nothing like this. Toro realized they were making these too good. If you like this mower. Don’t ever sell it; because you’ll never find another one in this shape.
Hey John spot on my friend! this mower isn’t going anywhere!
hi JB i have a toro proline commercial mower and it got abused a lot and i dont know how it still running and it has a car transmission oil filter
Very hard to kill these things! Way over built! Thanks for sharing! 👍
easy the best lawn mower ever made. been using these for over 30 years
They are seriously well designed machines!
Home Depot Has removed the Honda Mower entirely 😢
It’s a sad day for lawn lovers! 🙁
Awesome find, JB! That TORO model is a tank of a mower.
And your yellow strap "fix" is right up my alley.
I disable every moronic "safety mechanism" on every machine I own.
Why? Because I'm not a window-licking retard who needs to be protected from my own stupidity on a daily basis.
Rock on, my Brother!!!!!
It sure is Brother! Weighs as much as one too! Not even kidding! It’s super heavy! You’re powered by common sense too!! I wish you were my neighbor bud! We would have a blast with all our lawn equipment!
I would of told you to pay $400.00 or get out. It is used for gods sake. It sucks that people ask for a reduction for the sake of asking.
Thanks for watching
Whoa watch out we have a badass over here
Well dun, I'm on the fence with electric mowers still, how bout you?
Appreciate you yale! I won’t purchase one! After all the ones I was sent this spring and after seeing the lack of quality and poorly designed plastic parts I would much rather stick with gas. The only thing I would maybe consider going electric on is a string trimmer because of it’s intermittent use. Batteries will last a lot longer with that!
My blades won’t spin fast at all.. any ideas? Thanks! Be subscriber
@@Chino0118 is your engine running at its best?
How much would you sell it to me for?
@@HorrorBigGameRR it’s not for sale but thanks for asking my friend! 👍
I paid 75 for a honda hrc216
Was it worth it?
Wow what year/how old?
How come almost everything but electronics is getting worse? My super recycler from 2005 is better than a new one, I like my older cars better too without all the BS, lane avoidance, auto braking, stop start, tiny turbo engines that last 120,000 miles. It seems like so many things get worse and worse, even the life of appliances. Either corners are cut for profit and compromises are made for government mandated fuel economy and emissions. Things are getting more and more disposable.
Consumers keep demanding that manufacturers help them blind themselves to the devaluation of the US Dollar. Consumer Honda and Toro mowers of the early 90's cost $550-$600+, and many including the Toro Recyclers did Not come with a bag, you had to pay extra for it. If you put those numbers into an inflation calculator you are looking at $1,400+ for a consumer mower. Today Honda and Toro are building exactly what American consumers demand, cheap disposable crap.
It’s crazy how things are getting worse! Hold onto the old stuff you can’t beat it!
@@GarageGear I still listen to music on a pair of 1985 Yamaha speakers powered by a 1989 Yamaha receiver. Nothing new could come close for under $2,000. In the '70's it was common for Americans to spend a months salary on their HiFi stereos.
@@GarageGear Imagine when the democrats make us get rid of fuel powered cars. Used cars are going to be worth a fortune. I suspect as demand for fuel goes down eventually that gasoline will go down so they'll ad a $2.00 per gallon "carbon tax" to each gallon or something. They are already moving up the electric car timeline. Biden wants 60% of new car sales to be electric by 2032 now and the EPA is going to make it very hard for fuel powered vehicles to pass the standards earlier than before. They know we won't accept inferior vehicles unless they force us into it. It will slow the process some if democrats lose the majority and/or the white house but even a lot of republicans are on board with "man made climate change" and the peasants changing our lifestyles. The people in power won't change anything of course, this change is for the peasants.
Do you have any push mowers for sale i have a disability with a small mowing business looking for my own push mower I'm special needs
@@CodyCanon-l1n I do not at the moment
Having a oil filter on a small engine is awesome.
Got that right! Have a good weekend monte!
Dyson is not a high quality vacuum, they are just overpriced.
Thanks for sharing
Not a 2 stroke, not fun😢
Hard to find those near me!
I have a shot at a 2006 model for $300. Seems like a deal no?
I would take it! 👍