How Reliable Is a 2020 Tesla Model Y After a Year? Long-Term 2020 Tesla Model Y Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- Edmunds took ownership of a 2020 Tesla Model Y Performance last year as part of our long-term test program. Now, one year later, Carlos Lago shares the team's experience after approximately 9,000 miles of use.
What was it like to drive the Model Y for a year? How reliable was it? What kind of maintenance was needed and what issues popped up? What was the range on our Model Y? Is the Model Y one of the best small SUVs on the market? We answer these questions and more. We also detail the highs and lows of owning and driving the 2020 Tesla Model Y Performance.
2020 Tesla Model Y long-term road test - new updates: edmu.in/3pW4tnn
Full 2020 Tesla Model Y review & rating: edmu.in/3koLOzs
See all of Edmunds Long-Term vehicles: edmu.in/3koLroy
Intro 00:00
What we bought 00:55
The Good 01:53
The Bad 04:40
Recalls 08:04
Maintenance and reliability 08:43
Economy and range 12:21
Conclusion 13:29
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As far as quick EV SUVs go, would you rather have a Model Y or a Mustang Mach-E? Read our long-term test edmu.in/3pW4tnn
Model Y because of the display and the better Software.
Model Y because it looks much better, even with the uneven panel gaps. But my neighborhood is full of Tesla’s... Maybe an Audi e-tron...
@@sphaera3809 Ok my neighborhood is full of old Peugeot 108 Diesel, so i guess a Taycan Turbo would be just right. 😂🤣✌ I stay with the Model Y its larger and costs much less.
@@sphaera3809 If you don’t care about the lightening quick acceleration, go with the e-tron. That was #1 choice coming out of a Q7, but there was that issue right when they first came out with the electric cords and fire possibility, so sales were put on hold. Plus, they were way overpriced at the time. They’ve come down since then and the delta isn’t as much since you still get the full $7,500 for the e-tron, which rides MUCH better, charging is faster, and isn’t that far off on the range as Teslas are way over promised on range (I owned a 3 and Y). Now that I don’t need as much room, waiting for the Q4 etron. Should be a winner.
Definitely Tesla over ford unless is a gt of course 🤣
I own a model 3 for one year now, Carlos’ opinions are 100% fact, But the car is unlike any other vehicle on the road and I love it and can’t wait for my model Y next.
Exactly. It's not perfect, but it ALWAYS puts on a smile on my face, every single time I drive it.
I agree, all his point are accurate. I have had my Y for 5 months now and my biggest complaint is the poor ride quality. It is starting to really bother me and I have the Long range, 20" wheels and even still ride quality is not great.
TESLA have ugly style cars. I wouldn't buy one in my opinion
@@jesusazuela8913 I bought mine BECAUSE of the looks.
@@fmt7722 upgrade the suspension. Ryan Shaw did it for his Y and raves about the improvement.
HOLY SHIT an honest Tesla review
A Ford ads actually
I agree with most of the review. I have a similar experience with my 2021 Tesla 3. Nevertheless I still love it. I will reserve judgement on the vehicles durability when the vehicle has 100,000+ miles. I also own a 2021 Mach E and in my opinion the Mach E is a better vehicle overall.
No need to pull over. Just hold in your thumbs to reboot. If you need to do it frequently please open a support ticket in your app.
To be clear this is just the display computer, the car is still fully functional to be driven manually during the reboot process, autopilot can keep driving as well but use extra caution since you don’t have visual alerts and only minimal audio alerts and feedback until after the reboot completes. In 2.5 years with the model 3 I manually rebooted probably 5 times across the ~50 software versions during that time. No manual reboots that I can recall in 2021, this was all further back.
great in depth review covering so many crucial aspects of the ownership experience. great journalism.
You don't have to pull over, you can do the power cycle while driving it.
They can't say that in front of lawyers... they might get sued if the power cycle 'causes' an accident. Thanks for saying that though I'm about to get a model y hopefully
@@whitlockbr No problem! Hey, if you're interested in buying a Model Y that's great. If you don't mind, you can use my referral code darrin85089 so you and I both get 1,000 free Supercharger miles.
I have a 2018 MS and have had to reset the screen several times while continuing to drive. It has not been a problem. It does take a minute or so but I can still control the cars direction. Ray
you can't hard power cycle while driving since you need to press the break too
@@te86a You dont have to do a "hard power cycle" to reset it. Simply wrong guide by Edmunds, who is always negative biased towards Tesla.
Every small or non-negative things get exaggerated.
1) Just see the video how they negatively mention the nice wheels (!!?) - but its ok on the corvette (??).
2) And several times mention the black screen (althoug common on all new cars, and you DONT have to stop - but kan keep going,
3) AND they mention that Tesla say you should only charge to 90%, so range is even less (come on now). Tesla is famous for best in class long lives batteries - and 90% is a recommendation when not going for at long trip. Plenty of taxi's are Tesla and they charge to 100% daily and have 150.000miles on the clock.
4) The full selv driving system is NOT working - everybody is (or should be) aware of that - and probably wait buying it. Tesla is still way in front of their peers - and the FREE Autopilot does the job fantastic (also compared to peers like Benz or Porsche). So do som praise of that instead of only bashing the FSD.
So please Edmunds stop this BS
32K miles on my Model Y and I haven't had nearly any of the issues outlined in this video... Sorry to hear that. I'm a big Tesla fan, but also honest. I'm not afraid to admit I have some panel gaps, AP has randomly hit the brakes, the display has frozen a time or two... the usual. Even so, this has honestly been the best car I've ever owned! The overall day to day experience is unlike anything else and I cant see myself buying another brand for a very long time. I have a CyberTruck reservation, so I'm looking forward to a review of that!
Also: at 12:12, you mention you have to pull over for the restart. Not sure exactly what you mean here, as you can perform the display restart while driving. I tested this myself, even Autopilot works fine while its restarting!
He is a bit bias, he is talking about the performance model as a family car when the clear choice for a family would be the long range model which is cheaper and comfier.
@@stockdetective4396 I got the performance as a family car. Zero regrets. Was in the market for a bmw x3m then switched to myp. The car is not perfect by any means. And I was lucky to get one without panel gaps. But it’s the best car I have own. I have solar so my gas bill has been zero since. Plus my job that I commute to give me free charging. It’s not for everyone though. Do your homework and nothing is wrong with waiting as the technology will get better
Great review…Had a 2019 Model 3 with FSD, then bought a 2020 Y and didn’t waste the money on FSD. Sold the Y after only 6 months. Ride was way too rough compared to my 3 and it was just the LR AWD, non performance version. My Model 3 LR AWD was much smoother and compliant. Was put off by the initial quality of my Y…headliner hanging, dirty as all get up…panel gaps worse than normal, and a few other issues. Back seat alignment was very off…tires with the aero caps on them made loud creaking noises…Never got the shroud for the heat pump on mine, so it was noisy…I loved everything else about the car, but I’ll wait another year or so before considering another one…
I thought this was a balanced and honest long term review. Thank you!
3:57 I HOLLERED at the “romance mode” bit. 😂 You guys are great!
who the fuk uses that word?
Good job!! Great review and after 6 months and 12 000 kms I agree with everything you say but luckily for me 0 screen problem!
Appreciate the straightforwardness/honesty of your review! I've seen a lot of other review videos that come across as having kind of a "fanboy" agenda. It's refreshing to hear someone answer the question of "Would I buy this car"? with a maybe.
Very honest review , some things I agree with but I will say Tesla has improved the build quality of the 2021 Model Y’s considerably. Do compare if you guys have the chance!
Agree with Carlos Lago's analysis of the Y Performance 100%,the FSD needs lots of integration and updating,the ride is extremely harsh and uncomfortable,no screen outages on mine,7800 miles and its a '21 model,those wheels are beautiful but extremely easy to damage due to the fact that the wheel rims are flush with the outer edge of the tire walls,both passenger side wheels have curb rashes and me too use a black marker to minimize visible damage.
Really enjoy videos like this and in general from Carlos. Not taking a shot at the other guys just think Carlos has got the presentation skills to a T.
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Thus is a fair assessment… even with its quibbles, my Model 3 Performance is the best car I’ve ever owned, and I have zero regrets on buying it after a year.
Great video. Just ordered a Model Y can't wait so excited!
Thanks for the honest review.
Agree. So tired of all the other glowing Tesla fan reviews where the Tesla is perfect. Appreciate the honesty and acknowledgement that Tesla’s are not perfect.
@@Wasabi9111 The problem is one can't find the non-glowing reviews. Not because there aren't any. There are plenty.
All the glowing reviews get overwhelmed with likes from Fanboys, which helps the "Page Rank". So when you do a search, the results are all skewed towards a non-critical review.
@@Wasabi9111 Teslas*
I have 2020 Model Y Long range with 19” wheel. I have 40000 miles with non of the problems you mentioned. I had one rear passenger door light bulb went out and couple of flat tires which isn’t Fault of Tesla. I love this car!!! I bought a another one today to for my wife.
Buying an electric mustang instead of a Tesla feels like buying a Zune over an IPod.
Except the Mustang is better looking at has a better interior quality and ride quality.
@@savedfaves and the Zune had a more dynamic soundscape, LOL
@@savedfaves
Please buy a Brown Mustang!
@@savedfaves we were turned off by the Mach-E when we drove it. The ride quality was lousy -- really soft -- and the interior felt like a Ford, with heavy, squishy doors. If you like Fords, then yes, I'm sure it's great. Also, our demo had build issues. The mirrors weren't adjustable and the hatch was malfunctioning. This was a dealer demo! Very disappointing experience.
If the screen freezes, just like on an iphone, hold both buttons in for a few seconds and it will reboot. Most people are unaware that the screen computer and the cars computers are two separate things. There is no need to pull over, put foot on brake, etc.
They had the car for over a year and didn’t know that?
Probably swapped cars every week. That's a downside to these "long-term" reviews ... it is really like a bunch of short-term reviews strung together. Car journalists see a lot of cars, so they can really judge a car compared to its peers, but they rarely get used to any car so they don't come to appreciate the nuances and skew toward valuing predictable vehicles that hew to the mean over cars with subtle charms but a few quirks.
So basically, if you’d have purchased the Model Y AWD LR without FSD and with the smaller wheels, you’d probably not have all that much to complain about? That’s the version I would buy… so asking if that’s a fair assessment?
I have a Performance and agree - ride is too stiff and it's not THAT fast (coming from a P85D) - so I'd give up a hair of speed to get that smoother ride.
Edit: I am on the fence about FSD - I paid for it, there are times I love it and other times I think it's useless.
We had the LR with the 20s and they also ride terribly. It was totaled and we may get a different vehicle just for the suspension.
@@frumpd63 yea I’m going to sell this soon I think. I like it a lot but don’t love it.
I prefer comfort, functionality so I went with the LR AWD, kept the 19's, got a separate set that are now the 3 season wheels with stock tires, stock wheels with winter tires is the other set. Both 19", I see no reason to sacrifice ride quality, increase costs, increase chance of wheel damage / curb rash. It is great that essentially the couple main complaints can be eliminated with buying differently! Amazing vehicles. I have had no issues with my screen fading and cutting out and needing a reboot - no idea what % have an issue here.
I did not upgrade my wheels cause of this. Glad I didn't
You contradict yourself by saying the MYP is really a family SUV yet you drag race the hell out of it. That is the beauty of the Model Y. It does both well plus it doesn’t use gasoline. Yeah the Corvette may ride better but you can’t take it skiing or go surfing.
Thanks for that honest review. So refreshing.
One of the best reviews ever - if not just for the honesty and light hearted-layman style of reporting. Awesome job, Carlos!
Thanks for giving an honest long term review. I truly want to own this Model Y but the many problems it has is just unacceptable for a vehicle in this price class.
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to get a review from someone who isn't a zealot or fanboy. Honest reviews of life with a Tesla vehicle are far and few between. Personally when and if the day comes that I purchase an EV it will likely be a Tesla just for access to the undisputed best charger network...but it's nice to have real info when making that decision. Note to self - stay away from 21 inch wheels.
It’s really hard to get a balanced review on Teslas. Most poor reviews of Teslas get "page ranked" down.
I’d use bing to search for honest Tesla reviews. But even that is becoming hard.
Agree on all points. Engineering Explained actually has a video about wheels and tires on his Model 3 performance. He found a really great option for some 18in ones that have worked well for him and when I get a Model 3 that swap will be one of the first things I do. Not sure if this would apply to the Model Y but might be with taking a look.
I have a MXP and intentionally went with 20 inch wheels instead of the 22s for so many reasons. The ride is better. The acceleration is better. The range is better. The towing capacity is better. The risk of blowouts is lower. The tires are cheaper. The risk of curb rash is lower.
Big wheels with low profile tires are a fad. All of these things are true on any vehicle.
@@jonathansage2147 Some fashion defies all common sense. My first new car had 14 inch wheels. I imagine before I pass, rims will be the size of a house.
this is an awesome review, and subtly hilarious
You don’t have to pull over to reset the screen display. You can hold down the scroll wheels while still driving to reset the screen.
Still just having that thing go dark on you while driving which literally has almost EVERYTHING in it is disconcerting to put it mildly.
@@vjhicks8533 no more than my Apple car play not working on my ‘19 Nissan Rogue.
I can’t fix that from my wheel, gotta take my hands off
@@Andrew_Sherman Well right now I’m still milking my 2007 Audi A4. No big fancy screen at all. Just a basic Bluetooth that is playing podcasts through my speakers. Everything is still a knob or button. My wife’s 2017 SUV has a bigger screen that can show the full names and cover art of songs playing off her iPhone, but still had buttons and knobs. And guess what, when that media screen went black one time when we were driving recently. It still played music, but I didn’t lose my speedometer or anything else aside from the display of what song was playing. It wasn’t an all or none situation.
I liked your humorous and sometimes even hilarious comments. Thank you for your host and unbiased assessments, which woke me up a little bit of my unrealistic fantasy about tesla Y! Truly enjoyed your presentation. Thank 🙇 you very much, Carlos👍👏🤟☑️
YOU CAN DO A DOUBLE SCROLL WHEEL RESET ON THE MOVE. THE CAR STILL WORKS, BRAKES ETC. VOICE CONTROL ALSO WORKS FOR A/C ETC.
This is the first and only objective review that I have seen of a Tesla product.
Alot of the build issues are fixed now with 2021 model Ys, I own both the Long Range and Performance and they were perfect upon delivery. Ride Quality with the 21s are a little stiff but nothing abnormal in the sports car world.
Great work Carlos! A real long term review 👍
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Love long term reviews
My Audi A3 is 17 years old, runs like a dream, heated seats still work, all electric windows still work. Very economical of fuel and starts well in winter.
I would love to see you replace the wheels and tires with a high profile set, your car would likely feel like a new vehicle. We have the Model 3 SR with about 10,000 miles on it. I stayed with the higher profile tires for all of the reason you outlined, I have also had more flats with the low profile tires due to pot holes and curb/debris along the road. The standard autopilot seems to work pretty well, but I have experience the odd slow downs that seem to occur at the same place on many drives too and from work, and my screen has needed to be reset twice. Not because it went dark, but because the audio stopped playing on the media system. Overall it has be a very efficient, quiet and comfortable car and I have been pleased with it. My real life range is more like 200 miles, of which I only use about 175 between charges.
pretty honest review. You left out one drawback - soft tesla paint - it chips away at the sight of a pebble. Or maybe that is not a thing in LA.
Excellent and honest review! It reminds me the ‘blue screen of death’ with windows pc in the good old days!
That’s sooo cool! You guys drive around the sylmar area love it!!!! 😀
Hey Carlos, great videos
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Regarding the performance wheels, another reviewer found that the Perrelli tires were to too stretched over. He used I think Michelin Sport All Season tires. Gave more rim protection & better ride.
God thats how a car should be reviewed…honest, quirky and informative for future customers that can save tons of dollars!
Great review.
Model 3 owner here for the last 17 months. Video was spot on. But, I do love the car. Also bought full self-driving. I would completely recommend AGAINST buying it at almost any price. I wouldn't opt in for that again. Feel like I have been duped by Tesla. I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a class action lawsuit against full self driving. Tesla promises made, Tesla promises broken time and time again. I would finally say that the service network is not robust enough for the number of cars sold so far. Depending upon where you live, you could wait quite a while for service. I'm talking 3 weeks minimum in my case.
That is all consistent with Musk. Over promise under deliver.
Very informative. Much appreciated. The 21 inch tires setup are not a good idea.
A very honest review. I just put my order in.
legit checked out after you went GD and my kid was listening was 100% not necessary.
Ride quality is definitely the reason I didn't get one. Waiting to test drive the Cybertruck (air suspension) when it comes out.
Can you still drive safely with the screen blank or does power steering and other controls lose power? If it goes blank while the ac or heater is on, do either of those climate accessories stop?
Great review. Love my March 2020 early vin 10xx Model Y. It’s been a great car but I agree a couple of your critiques. I didn’t pay for FSD and don’t feel a need for it. I have not had any issues with my screen fortunately.
You can restart the screen while you drive. It only takes about a minute for it to come back on. You're not constantly touching your screen and adjusting controls while you drive. Waiting a minute to adjust a control may be inconvenient but not a big of a deal as the video is making it considering most people are paying more attention to the drive vs constantly needing to make adjustments using the screen while driving.
I’ve heard of some buying the LR, Eibach springs and getting the acceleration boost later😀. In terms of ride quality, do you find it’s more the sport tires that make it jarring? Could have used S all seasons?
You don't mention that the car that you bought isn't the one that you have because of feature updates from the free downloads.
You seem to have had many more screen resets than most people (I have had only a couple in my Y), but you don't have to pull over to reset it. Just hot the two buttons as you are driving down the road. It may be a little disconcerting watching the display computer reset, but the car still drives, even if FSD is engaged. It's ONLY the display/audio computer that get's reset. Try it driving down any road, probably want to do it on a backroad first, to prove it to yourself. Radio stops, turn signal clicks stop (but signals still work). FSD works.
Got an appointment with Tesla sales for model Y and this is good information. I have an idea of questions to ask.
I enjoy my long range Y very much. Since I consider it a driver's car--performance and handling--I'm not interested at all in self driving as I want to do it myself (note: retired w/no commute). I did change the wheels (narrower by 1/2") and tires (wider/275) for looks, a bit of extra height, and rim protection. The stiff ride is fine, but less tire/impact/road noise would be better. And I too have a Cybertruck deposit waiting for fruition.
Thanks for that honest review. I always worried about EVERYTHING being in that screen with no physical dials for a backup. And I don’t love the idea of interacting with a big Ipad while driving. Call me olds school but I like having physical buttons that muscle memory knows the location of without taking eyes off the road.
It’s not old school. Physical controls are simply safer.
1) You can restart the system while driving without taking your hands off the wheel while autopilot is still engaged.
2) You can use voice commands to control pretty much everything in the car, so you never have to take your hands off the wheel or your eyes off the road. Buttons are less safe.
@@jonathansage2147 On the voice commands, perhaps. Tesla is not the only car company that's incorporated some voice control. Perhaps Tesla's is better than most but they don't always work well. And how comprehensive are the voice commands. See this...
www.bbc.com/news/technology-53666222
Yes the windshield wipers auto turn on and off by themselves, but when the driver wanted to adjust the wiper speed during what was obviously not perfect weather (it was raining after all) the driver had to dig down a list of menus on that screen and got in a wreck. Versus having a manual control right by the steering wheel where I can take ONE hand off the wheel for 1 or 2 seconds turn a dial to change the speed up or down and still be looking down the road with full control of the car.
And saying you CAN use you voice for everything sounds nice. But are people actually doing that in practice? Are they saying "adjust temperature to..." in a Model 3 99% of the time, or is it closer to reality to say they are looking down at the touch screen to adjust temp while moving 70% of the time? I suspect the latter is closer to the truth. Now autopilot may be helping control for the greater distraction and having autosteer counter the additional lane swerve it's hard to say. But I'd be curious what the "distracted driving" stats are after a few years of model 3 use vs cars that don't have so much controlled by a screen that takes your eyes off the road.
@@artmotocafela7874 perhaps. But the problem is these huge tablets directing everything invite your to mess with secondary items even more easily than your phone. I don’t mess with my phone while driving. I generally just put it on a favorite podcast when I start my drive and I generally don’t look at it again until I reach my destination. I’m still in an older car with no big multimedia screen, no CarPlay, no nothing and I don’t really miss not having it.
@@savedfaves Please provide evidence. Thanks.
Were you doing the hard reboot (with the brake pedal) because a soft reboot hadn't worked? I've had mine going on two years and the screen's only needed to be rebooted twice. In both cases a soft reboot (just the buttons, no brake) did the trick.
2021 Tesla Model 3 long range here. The car is pretty much dial in now. It will be tough for the other auto manufacturers to catch up anytime soon. Sure some will criticize some aspects of the Tesla but some people are resistant to change and it will take time for their attitudes to change. Full disclosure, I have a late model BMW sport coupe that I drive as well. Both have their purpose.
To reboot the touchscreen you hold down both steering wheel scroll buttons. If you also push the break pedal as you recommend, you reboot the car. Big difference. Makes one wonder how well you really know the car.
yeah some of his criticisms are fair, but most come down to user error. I have a 2017 p100d and I launch the car every 3 seconds because I'm addicted to it. 86k miles only tires, breaks, and a tire pressure sensor for repairs
Instead of saying the driver is doing it wrong I’d say Tesla is the one doing it wrong. The problem is that the screen crashes in the first place and requires rebooting.
When commuting to work that’s one thing I’d rather not bother with.
@@mart0225 I agree. The screen crashing is not ok. I don't understand why they didn't have service done to correct this problem. I own two Model Xs and this literally never happens in either one. It would piss me right off if it did. I get you can restart it while driving, but you shouldn't have to do that this often.
@@mart0225 yes specially when everything about the car is controlled by that screen. You dont have anything else or buttons to control any other stuff. So screen freezing becomes a major annoying issue.
I can attest, we picked up VIN 26028 on July 28th 2020, after the initial SC visit on Aug 5th to correct a few issues we identified at delivery our Y has been PERFECT. Granted due COVID and my retirement I’m not driving as much as usual, but currently I sit at 52xx miles with an average wh/mi consumption of 254 wh/mi. Aside from PPF and a lot of the usual accessories Tesla owners buy I sprung for the Performance Boost Upgrade. It chopped my 0 to 60 from 4.8 to 4.1 seconds. I’m waiting for the EAP upgrade. I’m 69 and love driving again, thanks Elon and Tesla, I’m a kid again.
You do not need to pull over to do MCU restart. All driving and safety functions, even autopilot are functional while rebooting.
I have to do it only once or twice a year so far for my Model 3.
I've had the anti-pinch windows go off on numerous cars while going over bumps. VW, Honda, Toyota... Not saying your opinion is wrong but the anti-pinch thing is probably not the best thing to derive that from.
Holy shit that quality with the seats😂😂 what the hell is this? We actually wanted a Model Y but now I'm not to sure.
MY LR owner. Agreed with almost everything except that I love Autopilot and it is working quite well, not sure what's wrong with your MY, and the screen reboot, perhaps your MY P has some issues. Btw, I have the 19" wheel and it's not too bad but I can see the bumping on 21" wheels.
I own a Tesla, invest in Tesla, and believe that EVs are the future, and I completely agree with this review. For the average person that buys an EV, they will charge at home while they sleep and therefor the charging network really doesn't matter. I can count on one hand how many times I've used the supercharging network to charge more than 30-40% of the battery at a time, in the last 3 years. After replacing 3 tires and 1 wheel due to potholes, I ended up replacing my wheels to a smaller 18" wheel with bigger tires, and ride quality improved quite drastically.
As for the range, I'm in the same boat, I've never gotten anywhere near what the EPA rating says I should I'm always 20%-40% less than what's advertised.
Woah, 30 - 40% less? That surprises me tbh.
Glad to see this review. I'm a mostly happy owner of a 2020 Model 3 Standard Range, with no Autopilot or "full self-driving." It's a great car at a great price that's really fun to drive, with great charging infrastructure and okay but overpromised/underdelivered range. My issue is that I'm a professional transportation planner with a degree in engineering, and it's really off-putting that Tesla is still trying to sell something that no respected professional in the field believes it can safely deliver.
If they could swallow their pride and put that aside, they'd make a great car, but as it stands I'm losing faith in the company to do the right thing, and I don't think I'd return back for another Tesla. Hopefully by the time my car is due for replacement the charging infrastructure advantage will be a wash.
"respected professional in the field"? Hmm. This sounds a lot like you are trying to justify your view. Do you really think that Tesla will never figure out FSD? Seems to me it's not a question of if, but when.
As to overpromised/undelivered range, my experience over 25k miles is that the car delivers exactly what was promised. For Edmunds to ding the car for not meeting EPA range while not using it as per the EPA standard is rather meaningless. Carlos made it clear that they drag raced their car a lot....so would one reasonably expect it to meet the EPA standard?
@@dangrass It can't go the rated range at highway speeds. The EPA test isn't entirely done at highway speeds so folks really shouldn't be using that to determine highway range, but it's pretty obvious that's what your average person is going to do. Tesla really ought to publish range values by a couple common highway speeds, but that wouldn't be marketable so they've chosen the higher EPA range which is effectively meaningless for an actual driver trying to make a long range trip (which is the only time range matters).
I own two Model Xs. I love them dearly. The EPA range is still garbage.
it is ridiculous to call it 'full-self driving' when it's not that. Autopilot is not quite as bothersome to me -- I mean, planes have 'autopilot' too but pilots have to be in charge. The unfortunate thing is that the language around it encourages bone-headed, self-destructive behavior. It might not matter -- I mean, people manage to kill themselves and others in their vehicles every day, sometimes by doing really dumb things -- but it would certainly look better and wouldn't feel so much like false and misleading advertising.
I've had my model 3 for 2 yrs and the screen has never gone to black, but I assume the if it did you could still control basic functions using voice commands to control the things you mentioned?
Nope, no controls work at all. You can still drive the car, but you don’t know your speed and blinkers don’t even register. I’ve had my model 3 for 1.5 years and it’s happened a few times to me. Not a huge deal as it boots back up within a minute
I prefer the y model despite its flaws. All cars have flaws, some more than others. I drive a 2017/Gt 350 which is a long way from perfect. It eats oil , bad gas mileage , panel gaps everywhere, harsh ride, imperfect paint , cheesy interior. All of this coming from a car company that has been in business for over 100;years!. But I still enjoy it!. I think I will be ok owning a Y performance with it’s flaws. I test drove both the 3 and Y performance and just fell in love the way they drive and accelerate compared to my Gt 350. As a result, I have a Y performance on order. I only get maybe 185-200 mile range before my gas light comes on. I will gladly take a 260 plus range from a Ev any day especially when you can charge at home and replenish that range every day. Moral of the story, no car is perfect.
You can reset the screen by pressing the 2 wheel buttons without pulling over and pressing brakes.
...and then you lose your speedometer for a good two minutes while driving down the freeway, with no idea if your turn signals are working without looking for your reflection in the car in front of you. I've never lost access to basic controls when my infotainment has frozen in any other car.
Come to think of it, my infotainment has only ever frozen in a 2013 Focus I used to own. Work has 2017 Escapes with an identical system and those have been problem-free.
@@supraphonic88 I’m not arguing that the situation sucks. Just pointing out that you can reset the screen without pulling over and pressing the brakes.
I can live without turn signals and speedo
@@supraphonic88 The error they had is that the screen showed nothing so you wouldn't even see speedometer anyway before rebooting.
Safe, fully autonomous vehicles will probably require some level of communication with the surrounding infrastructure of the road via microchips, radio singles, or the like.
Thanks for the video!
100% + communication between cars on the road
No estoy decuerdo con las llantas , el problema es ese neumatico de pirelli que no tiene proteccion para las llantas, sin proteccion todas las llantas de aluminio se pican, respecto a la suspension es un sup no es un deportivo con amortiguacion calibrada , suma perfil bajo y llantas muy grandes con sup por delante y los resultados seran muy parecidos en la mayoria de los casos , respecto a todo lo demas si es cierto se debe mejorar y si contaria con una pantalla adicional con sistema operativo android nos asegurariamos de que cuando falle un sistema el otro no falle , son tecnologias en continuo desarrollo y aunque no nos guste todas fallaran mas veces de las que nos gustaria.
Excelente video seguir asi.
Let's summarize, great car low maintenance, very efficient, Get different rims and tires if you not into sports vehicle harsh ride, don't trust EPA range - might need to reboot like your phone, don't buy FSD yet.
The reboot can also be done while driving, no need to pull over. You still have full control over the car.
That about sums it up why I went with it. I'll be changing out my tires next year. Tesla should have a model with 55 profile tires from the factory option
Complaining about the low profile wheels and suspension when you bought the performance performance makes it sound like you should have got the standard dual motor. Add the boost and you get a better daily driver that’s almost as fast as the PP.
Ford Mustang MachE has so many software bugs, the dealerships are afraid to update them for fear of bricking the car entirely. Plus like you said, 3rd party charging networks are very spotty and a big hassle.
Honest, informative!
Open Recalls -- do you ever cover recalls in other long term cars you cover?
Dam....kinda concern about getting my Cybertruck after seeing this.......but too late, I'm already decided on the CT
Call me old school, but I don't think self driving is something they should be focusing on. Just make better vehicles.
Uh no, the world is evolving faster than ever with more innovative ideas, planes are autopilot and it’s time cars should be too. Plus, I’ve tried self driving, it’s absolutely fantastic
hopefully, with the new AMD upgrade, that screen issue will no longer be an issue.
I just picked up a 2022 MYP and the ride hasn't been as bad as I expect given every video on TH-cam says how terrible it is. It's definitely not a BMW or Audi SUV smooth but those 21" wheels have not been too terrible. I'm more worried about blowing the low profile tires out going through pot holes.
2017 Camry XLE, 600+ highway miles per 5 minute “recharge”, zero visits to service bay in 4 years, $24,000 all in cost. I’m not cool, but I could have bought 3 of them for this price.
Having a reliable car is pretty damn cool. And considering I have yet to see a lot of Tesla’s over 100,000 miles, I think the Toyota is the better choice long term
@@Ghost-jy9hk If I had to buy a car today I would strongly consider the RAV4 prime plug-in. Where I live after tax credits the starting price starts at around $30,000. Considering that the battery can go 40 or so miles a day which equates to 1200 miles a month or 14,000 miles a year, most would probably never use gasoline anyway other than the once a year long trip. You would achieve almost all the carbon reduction of full electric without having to build out a national charging infrastructure, the price is right, the reliability is there as hybrids are a proven technology. Unfortunately, the politicians are in charge instead of consumers and companies making their own choices.
Almost everything is 100% true. Autopilot is great, but only in highways and doesn't worth near 10 grands.Ride quality - oh my I'm happy I'm still young enough and do not have back issues yet. I own model S and it was extremely hard to damage rims. My 2020 Model Y rims are destroyed after 1 year. I recently bought a 2021 Model Y and was very careful, but less than a month later I caught my first curb 😭no 360 view in Tesla in 2021( But I love it anyway.
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Great video guys. My first three months of Model Y ownership has been a very similar experience to yours.
I got the regular awd with 19" wheels. Ride is very stiff but livable. Doesn't handle freeway speed weight shifts well. Definitely not a BMW or Porsche quality suspension underneath this thing. I've managed to curb the 19" wheels a time or two, but thankfully the hub cap took the damage.
I get the screen freeze ups about once a month. But you can drive while the screen resets, just hold down both steering wheel buttons, no brake pedal.
Carlos forgot to mention that the auto windshield wipers are the worst in the business. Other luxury brands mastered this 15-20years ago. Tesla can't accurately identify light rain and wants to wipe way too fast for medium rain.
And the non fsd autopilot cruise control is not great either. Does pretty well in the dry, but throw a little rain at it, and things can get quite scary. Like unexplainable max brake check at 80mph...for NO reason. I've seen really scary weird behavior in light to medium rain. Like most cars, it will disable itself in a downpour.
I haven't had any loose body parts or other mechanical issues. Had one wheel fender trim loose at delivery, which was fixed quickly.
My driver window frequently gets confused. Will stop on the way up and then go back down. Have done the reset procedure, which reduced the frequency, but didn't completely eliminate the issue.
I'm getting a Tesla reported 330 watts/mile average energy use on mostly city driving. I haven't confirmed their reporting. And I live in a hilly, mountainous region. I think the burnouts and onramp antics might be affecting your range more than you think.
Hopefully Tesla will iron these issues out with their frequent software updates. If not, I may be shopping elsewhere for my next EV.
Appreciate the honesty, thanks. Tesla have really changed the car industry. Props to them for that. Their aftersales and quality control put me off the brand though. I also prefer more physical controls.
The auto wipers are legit terrible. I own a MXP though, so the wiper controls are still on the stalk; I definitely disable the auto wiper setting. I feel for the 3 and Y owners (and upcoming S and X post refresh) that don't have physical wiper controls.
The American obsession with 0-60 times is ridiculous
You have zero SEC championships.
So in other places they don’t list the 0-100kmh? It’s just one more thing to consider when shopping around. The more info the better.
Test the long range please !!!
The spacing on the hood really bothers me, so inconsistent. Tesla needs to get their QA under control, especially for the price.
For the infrequent times you need max range, like just before starting a road trip, you absolutely can charge to 100%. I do. So your “real range” is not reduced by 10% because most of the time you charge to 90% or less. Normal daily driving, even with lots of trips around town or to nearby towns, only uses 20-40% of the battery, so 90% is more than enough. However, It is correct that range at highway speeds is less than Tesla’s official EPA number. You have to drive about 55 mph to hit that rated range number.
Edmonds, are you affiliated with any Legacy auto? If you are it should be listed at the top of the screen. Would hate for others to assume that you’re readings are not biased in any way.
I will never buy another car without Autopilot. Freeways it truly shines! Can be very nerve-racking in heavy traffic but it still drives better than most humans even in heavy traffic.
Is Model Y Long range softer than the performance in its suspensions ?
You can reset the Tesla while driving and it's not going to mess up it's going to continue to drive if you have it on autopilot it's going to continue to drive you can even switch lanes when you reset the Tesla I've done it many times
Get the dual motor model Y, 90% of the performance for 10k less starting
Also longer range and better ride quality.
Wait what? Elaborate please
@@HarryKuloh dual motor model Y rides better because its on 19s, has better efficiency, is nearly as quick as the performance, and starts at 49590 and the performance starts at 59590. Dual motors also have option to purchase acceleration boost for 1500$ which gets you 0.6s off your 0-60 which is very noticeable when you are already quick at 4.8s to begin with.
Exactly. I'm listening to this review and I'm saying, "Why did you get the performance model?" Their primary complaints - wheels, ride, efficiency - would all be reduced with the Long Range MY.
And save another $10K by skipping full self driving.
1 year is a shot term review as most people keep a car over 7 years. You need to give us a update in year 8
What is Tesla “trade-in” offer from there site for your car?
They offer what they can expect to from an auction (or wholesale to a dealer). Better to sell to Vroom or similar.
After 40,000 miles with a Model 3 and FSD, I can tell you that I've had MUCH better experience with Autopilot than you have. I use it for about 98% of my highway miles. It has been wonderful. Is it perfect? No, i.e. sometimes it picks up the wrong speed limit (especially on new construction roads) and slows down when it shouldn't. But it also amazes me every time I use it, and it keeps getting better and better. I can't imagine buying a car without it. The system in the Mach-E is nowhere near as good and won't even change lanes for you. In fact, the wheel just stops operating when you turn on the blinker! Just check out the many TH-cam comparison videos. Autopilot is by far the industry leader, and it works almost anywhere (in the US at least).
I, too, love my autopilot. I use it daily and it relieves the stress of traffic. I look at other drivers, they're all so tense! I think the problem may be that the Edmunds people are always changing cars and driving different routes, so in those cases it's harder to use autopilot. I use it on long drives and my regular routes, because in those circumstances I can anticipate its few idiosyncrasies and I know the stretches where I can trust it.
I love using the autopilot on those long highway drives. I would like to try out the Super Cruise that is on the the Bolt EUV, looks like a great system
Got 60k on our Model 3. Mostly drive on AP for long trips. Totally agree. Also still glad I went with 18" wheels for the P version instead of performance wheels like he complains about here.
No car like a Tesla. The rest seem a little “dumb”.
Wow did you nail this review. I had the 2021 version of your car on order but decided to bail for how bad it rode with those massive wheels and crappy suspension. I can't think of another SUV/CUV in its class that rides as badly as it does. Thankfully the long range AWD has pretty good performance and rides much better. Still far away from class leading but not going to crush your kidneys on most roads.
One thing you should have called out is how Tesla sort of plays fast and loose with performance times. They quote without rollout times for the performance version, which makes the difference look bigger than it really is, compared to the long range version. I am normally biased toward the higher performance versions of vehicles and this might be the first time I go down spec to get the better vehicle overall.
They really need to do something about the suspension, put actually lightweight wheels and tires more appropriate for a performance version. So if you buy one of these, plan on better wheels/tires and coilovers so at least another 6-7k and hope you can sell your stock wheels and tires to someone who has no clue about them. I couldn't believe how much curb rash the Model Y performance had at the Tesla store with just 200 miles on it. Magnet is not the appropriate term. It is more like the gravitation attraction of a black hole that sucks any curb to contact the wheel withing a 5 city block radius. Shame on Tesla for putting such crap on an otherwise great car. These don't help the range either.
I'd love to go for the MachE but the supercharger network is the one ace in the hole that Tesla has that nobody comes close to matching yet. At least the MachE seems to be its estimates. Give the MachE another year and Tesla will have a very serious competitor on their hands once Ford gets it more dialed in. Ford also hasn't raised its prices like the 4 times Tesla has done in just a few months this year. Maybe it was more but I gave up tracking it.
7:30 is it the camera angle or are those hood panel gaps massive?
To people who hates Telsa, "If you don't own a Tesla, you are missing out".
Well you do have an early Model Y which was known for even worse build quality than the usual consistent Tesla build quality, but give that, these are crappy issues; rattles, unaligned panels, seats, interior falling apart, ha love that the foglight literally fell off into the bumper, loose bolt recalls, etc. We had similar on our S and X thus we have written off Tesla going forward. It is hard as they were such fun to drive and high tech cars which made you love them, but we have NEVER had a car (either) in the shop so much being repaired or recalled for pretty big things or maintenance items. They say EVs are low/no maintenance, but not Teslas. They are poorly built, lower quality, and I like to use the word "delicate."