TRX40 AORUS Master Vs. ASRock TRX40 Creator - Bigger is NOT Always Better.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- Two 'Entry Level' Threadripper Zen 2 TRX40 Motherboards are up on the test bench today, with a deep dive into the ALC4050H Realtek Codec and how AMD have bridged the I2S to allow for chipset audio control via USB 2 vs traditional CPU connection. We also test the 16 phase VRM vs the 8 Phase VRM on the Creator TRX40... and well let's just say, that bigger isn't always better :).
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Sorry made a mistake on the audio latency test, the files are actually swapped, ASRock TRX40 Creator had slightly better input-output-input audio latency than the ASUS X299 Deluxe!
Yo, I have up to date 5-Gigabit drivers. Message me and I'll send them.
@@MarcoGPUtuber Wait so you are doing a better job than a whole company's website? Ugh >
@@techyescity Dude, Gigabyte should hire me. The motherboards are great but damn, these websites, the English.... Uggghh
I'd have the whole thing bulldozed and fixed.
that is easy run a sound card Evga or Creative labs fix the problems !!
So what happened to AMD being the affordable manufacturer?
Over priced Entry level motherboards??
How does that work for the low budget gamer??
"Bigger is not always better"
- Linus approves it
These are not 'DEALS TO BE HAD, MONEY TO BE SAVED!' style of motherboards. I will not be humping my savings tonight.
Definitely, selling off threadripper stuff when you’re done with it doesn’t work well. Most people aren’t interested and you barely recover any of the costs.
Lol... the word "Entry Level" really stings after seeing the price.....😂😂😂
5:10 Of course this isn't the best for gaming. The best CPU for gaming is a Xeon I found on Aliexpress for $10!
Xeon X3440?
My good man you keep mixing PB and PB2 with PBO. There's no PBO2
Precision Boost Overdrive was introduced with the Zen2 architecture and is a OC feature where as PB/PB2 are stock features so to speak. Pls look it up cuz I for one respect your work and don't like hearing you getting things mixed up.
Cheers
Wow your analysis of onboard audio is not like others I have seen. I would LOVE this with other boards as a part of your analysis going forward.
7:35 95*C? 😳 Is this because of the Enermax Liqtech AIO? It's well known that it clogs up with time and temps skyrocket. Maybe that's what we're witnessing here? 95*C is not normal when running the CPU at stock with an 360 AIO that covers the whole heat spreader of the CPU.
A bit late but you need to remember its 27C there as shown in the video. The cooler is keeping the cpu at a pretty decent 68C over ambient while under stress testing.
I love when you show your drawings lol. 👍🏼
It's interesting to see that the significant differences with the VRM design lead to minor differences in temperatures and power consumption.
I'm curious to know the impact on longevity for both motherboards.
Very interesting content, thanks for sharing :)
I have an Asus ROG Zenith II Extreme, and I'm fairly certain all four PCIe slots are x16, but it looks like if you toss in more the two GPUs, it scales the PCIe lanes, so two slots end up being x8. However, I've tested with two GPUs, and no matter the slot the cards are in, they always run at x16. It also depends on the usage of m.2 slots and what not. But it appears all 4 slots are perfectly capable of PCIe 4.0 x16 on their own.
If you overclock and fine tune the Aorus gets into the optimal VRM efficiency zone. And it's also possible that it'll get better with updates. 4990x ready.
Glad 8-10 core are trickling to mid-range market, very nice!
Here for the 90amp VRM. BALLIN!!
Asrock is doing well! Their Creator line up seems pretty consistent.
Ditch the analogue and go with the SPDIF/TOSLINK with a decent ATMOS compatible Soundbar, if you can get the sound through the HDMI port much better then you can route the SPDIF/TOSLINK to your ATMOS compatible Soundbar.
Saru? Shannon?
I am here lol
Something appears wrong with the Aurus master price... The major PC stores in Sydney have the Aurus Wifi pro to be $729 and the master to be $929... The price you showed for the Aurus master actually matches the price of the Aurus Wifi pro.. I think there was a listing error on the gigabyte store haha
I love when people were like "I'm so glad I got an X399 board" 🤣🤣🤣
I have zero regrets. 16cores for 2 years for 710$ total. 260$ for the board 2 years ago and 450$ for the 1950x. Uh yea that's nothing to be upset about. Especially when your work benefits from the extra cores and PCIE
@@skoopsro7656 Same here. I've recovered the cost of my x399 machine in the first couple of months and throughout the 2 years I've been using it it has earned me a lot of money.
ESS SABRE qdacs can cause some funny results when using 3rd party audio software. I would take the highest quality audio file, like a 32bit FLAC and listen to the file and compare it to other boards. I was having issues with audio software myself. But, the actual audio file i tested sounds perfect on my $500 Sennheiser's through an old LGv20 and even on my new phone which is a v50 also with an ESS qdac. Listening to the same file on the ESS SABRE 9018 qdac in the z370 Aorus Gaming 7, also with a 2Vrms 3.5mm hadphone jack, they both sound identical. I think the ESS chip isn't supported or when a qdac like the ESS converts the signal, the results become smeared. The clarity when using those SABRES are unmatched.
We should wait for these board's capability of handling the 64 core threadripper and then decide
Thank you for the great review ! Audio is huge for me so it looks like I might buy a amp/dac combo for my new headphones , I will try my motherboard audio first since my headphones are rated at 40 ohms (audio technica 1000x) . I'm not buying either of these but I'm assuming the Asus TRX40 E gaming will have the same issue's with sound quality (The one I am looking at purchasing) . Is there a outstanding audio card i can buy or is a dac/amp a better option. Thanks !
LOVE THE VIDS TECH YES!!!!
Brian, it's 2:30 am. Get some sleep.
I think Marco and Shannon won't show up this time, you win :P. Though on a serious note, yeah going to bed now, just wanted to get threadripper off my mind.
Found you!
@@techyescity Bullshit I am here! You can't hide from the Marco Man!
@@MarcoGPUtuber Shannon has left the chat.
@@techyescity Lmao. He'll be back. He'll see it in the morning. He has joined the Tech YES Commentors Corner. Renunciation is IMPOSSIBLE!
Thanks for the look-over of those boards. I am leaning towards the TRX40 Master since I have been very pleased with both my x570 Masters/(3900x & 3800x) but, the creator looks interesting indeed. Noticed you're using the Enermax TR4 cooler - hows that working out and are you using the newer revision? I like the cold plate design Enermax is using - not so sure about the what's happening inside with their coolant...
I have the same question since I'm planning on getting a 3960x or 3970x and the Liqtech cools very well.... when it works that is. A lot of people complain of raising temperatures after 6 months of usage. One just needs to check the reviews on Newegg and other sites to see how bad they are, even the 2nd revision it seems (Liqtech II).
we love a techyes vid at 2:30 am
Which RAM did you use and recommend? for Asrock Creator?
watching from canada love you man
Had a doubt that can we use 2 or more msi 2080 ti Seahawk ek x using sli or nvlink?
Excelent video, Amigo.
Thank you for exposing AMD's I2Sgate.
If TRX40 does not properly or natively support desktop HD Audio, what type of audio could it natively or properly support? Can a revised chipset be expected later to compensate?
Good job, Asrock does some good motherboards of late! Love mine.
Brian, how are the temps on the 10GB Ethernet? does it have active cooling, or does it just have a heat-sink?
Brian, why you going away from Xeons. I loved those xeon builds
Those old OC xeons are starting to be worse value than the current offerings.
That said, I still love x79 and x99 for used price/perf
Are you going to rebuild your editing workstation with the new Threadripper?
these motherboards will works with Ubuntu server? NICE video.
I like the this channel its more realistic on budgets
yo man, love your content, best #motivation even if you dont know!
Thanks for a great comparison. Now, what do you mean by saying 'massive, massive air cooler'? Would you even consider it with the TR 3960 (no OC)? Thanks.
Are you thinking an air cooler wouldn’t be good enough for the 32-64 core parts at stock or something? You wouldn’t need a massive one for just stock (my 1950x was fine up to 450w cpu power on an old 120mn AIO that only covers 1/3 the IHS), these are not hard to cool like Intel (the 9900k is freaken lava... It’s insanely small and the power draw is basically the same as the 64 core Threadripper, so the thermal density is insane). Threadripper could be cooler just fine with a PBO overclock on a good or decent TR4 air cooler. You won’t get every last ounce out of it (I’m aiming for -100c with triple cascade for when the TR-64 core comes out as my next daily upgrade, hoping for 128 threads at 5 GHz), but a big air cooler would be fine especially if you’re not overclocking, don’t worry about it, these chips are easy to keep cool, it doesn’t take much.
By massive massive air cooler he meant something close to performance of a water cooler and overclocking to the limits, that the boards would still be fine. (I’ll probably end up using a similar board to one of these for even LN2 overclocking, because at that temp the entire board frosts over so VRM doesn’t run hot anyways and even at that these boards should provide plenty of power delivery for even the 64 core, it’s just that at this level of fun competition every last Mhz counts so even a minor improvement can win you the bragging rights, but it’s not needed, and it’s just for fun, similar to car racing it’s just about having fun)
Brian when does the Huanan Dual X79 build come out?
I have question.
I presently have a Xeon X3440, X3470 paired with a ASUS P7H55M Pro motherboard and an Intel DH55TC motherboard. Should I spend some money to overclock the X3440 (by buying cooler and good PSU) or just add the stock X3470 and add a RX 470 graphics card without overclocking the processor? (I will be buying another PC soon.)
Will spending money on coolers and PSU for overclocking the X3440 worth it?
4th. Keep the tech yesss loving coming
Ahh yes, 460$ "Entry Level" motherboard
As a 3D artist I need to run a TR 3990x to render my scenes and this is the cheapest motherboard you can get to achieve this.
I get your point though, I just don't think that kind of hardware need to be advertized for regular consumers, but there are always crazy enthusiast people around so... I guess it's worth getting money off people's greed. :)
Its entry level for threadripper at the very least my mans haha
I'm surprised the TRX40 and X570 Creator from Asrock are basically the same price. One has a ton more PCIE lanes
Cant believe the TRX40 AORUS XTREME has active chipset cooling when the X570 variant does't...
It's most likely because there are a lot more PCI-E devices that you can connect to the TRX40 motherboards thanks to the 72 usable PCI-E lanes. If you use a lot of these lanes simultaneously, things might get toasty pretty quickly. The X570 chipset only has 20 usable PCI-E lanes - much much less.
What is the best gpu i should get for a 2600 (reasonably speaking)?
As nice as you want basically. Whatever your budget allows (RX 470/480/570/580 are extremely cheap used in the US for example, you can often find $80 will get you an RX 580 8 GB card, so unless you need 1080ti/2080 performance those are the cards to get here in the US, but that might not be where you live, or the 5700 and 5700XT are really good value at like $330-$350 new in sale since most stores are still selling them at Black Friday prices).
@@jakegarrett8109 kk thx :D
Not for me thanks but thanks for sharing Brian
Love you.
I bought the Asus trx40-e, and i found out in canada the aorus master is cheaper than the Asus trx40-e with, and it has 5g nic on board compared to the asus 2.5g, also the master looks cleaner and it is E-ATX which i like and the cmos battery is visible, compared to asus, it is ATX i found it a little cramped, also couldn’t locate the cmos battery to clear out the cmos in the Asus board as i was trying ocing the 3960x as the Asus dose not have clear cmos button, I agee the master is better value, i am disappointed at Asus.
8 Cores CPU + 16 GB Ram is "Entry Level" PC in 2020
You mean 6 and 8
When a motherboard has better cooling than your cpu
Wow those threadrippers suck more power than my gpu
they are really efficient if you think there are 32core
$1400 CPU ... "gaming" motherboard
1650 super review?
I'm still amazed how intel threw away such a big lead. Like I'm super greatful they did but like how did they allow AMD to come back
The Poltical One give it a few weeks for the enthusiasm and euphoria to die down a little and let actual people who daily-drive these chips post their experiences with actual software, not benchmarking tools. One thing i can tell you with certainty, very VERY few people who got TR1s or TR2s will be buying TR3s.
@@sniper1pk Why do you think that very few people that got TR1 and TR2 will be buying TR3?
BTW, ~95% of the benchmarks in the reviews I've watched and read so far are based on actual software so not sure what you are trying to say? Cinebench is Cinema 4D - actual software; Blender - actual software; 7-Zip - actual software; Adobe Premiere Pro CC - actual software; V-Ray - actual software; Corona Benchmark is Corona - actual software. Mozilla compiling - actual workload; Do I need to go on? The only ones that are not really actual software are maybe ~5% of all benchmarks shown such as CPU-Z and Geek Bench.
@@bgtubber I run a small VFX studio and i got a couple of 1950Xs and a 2950 to supplement our mostly x79 and x299 pipeline. The amount of downtime we've faced due to AMD's laggy performance, system hangs and general compatibility issues caused us to actually lose revenue due to missed deadlines. Even using them for their fabled "raw compute power" frequently resulted in over-night sequence renders getting stuck, point caches getting corrupted, Fluid simulations getting miscalculated. We're making heavy use of Houdini, followed by 3ds max (FumeFX, Tyflow, thinkingparticles), realflow, nuke and occasionally Maya. all of these are industry standard software and well-threaded. Our CPU rendering is based on Arnold and Vray. Redshift for GPU rendering (AMD GPUs are dead on arrival in GPU renderers btw).
Cinebench may be made by Maxon who make C4D but the actual software goes through a lot of optimization to make use of Intel only technologies ('middleware').. Some that I can think of right away are Math Kernel Library , Thread Building Blocks, Embree and so on.
The same applies to Chaos Group's Vray and Corona. Benchmarks are hardware agnostic, and have zero user input, but the actual rendering plugins that are used in production, installed in the host software (be it 3ds max, Maya, Houdini, C4D) are a very different thing.
Problem is, AMD has zero middleware support (both CPUs and GPUs), which is why benchmarks tell a very different story from the software they are supposedly based on. Given their attitude and approach of slapping cores upon cores, while keeping an unstable, un-robust architecture, its unlikely to change in the near future.
@@sniper1pk That's really strange. We have a few Threadripper 1950x machines that we bought 2 years ago which we use 24/7 for rendering and scene creation in 3ds Max with Vray and we've never had any issues so far, neither with corrupt files, nor with slow speed or crashes and hangs. We are also running a few Intel i7 machines in the mix and everything still works perfectly fine together. No corrupt files, no slowdowns, no missed deadlines in the 2 years we've been using them (knock on wood). My point is, the problems you're observing aren't coming from using AMD CPUs since we don't experience any of them with any of our AMD Threadripper machines. What you are describing might be a different issue. For example, faulty RAM is one of the main reasons for corrupt files and system crashes and hangs. Faulty disks and network controllers can also cause similar problems. If you have overclocked the CPUs and/or RAM, this can also be very bad for stability if done incorrectly.
@@bgtubber sure dude, lol! u are essentially saying that after 10+ years in this industry, i am able to build a vfx business from nothing but still wont have enough sense to not oc workstations or troubleshoot the obvious issues??
am not trying to be an asshole and cast aspersions on you, but i have serious doubts on your claims at this profession. Sorry.
My cAWk is UUUUUUgggeee
Expensive motherboards for expensive processors...
i need a lot of money to buy something like that, plus the CPU, I need to sell my virginity :o
Tuff
500 Bucks for a MB !!!!!!!!! LOL
Nearly as impressive as x58 😂
_THREED RIPPAH_
bro please do prices in euros too so we europeans can watch you videos without having to stop to convert the currency...thanks
3rd
ASRock just rocks ! I will never buy any other brand ! never did , never will !
ASRock Rules !
Yes . Asrock truly rocks . Thanks .
Just keep an extra set of high speed RAM... on the Ryzen boards they have a bug where if it fails to post sometimes it never will until you add in say a 3600 XMP kit (even if you never had it set above 2133 MHz, or even if your CPU could never hit that XMP even on one stick). Asrock X370 Fatal1ty but according to the forum that helped me figure it out it also affects Intel boards from Asrock.
So you either need a set of unrealistically high speed (for first gen), or you’ll have to RMA your board occasionally... yay, way to not put a duel BIOS chip like even the old cheapo AM3+ garbage tier boards had...
Also on the X399 (Threadripper) platform (haven’t had the issue since I only run 3600 or higher on it), about half the time you can only get 1/2/3 sticks to work after installing new memory. BIOS will say “quad channel”, but say only 8-16-24 GB useable. CPU-z can see the extras (like I had 6x 8 GB sticks but only 16-24GB could work at base level speed 2133Mhz, but CPUz could detect each stick in windows and show the XMP profiles and vendor for each slot, but the board wouldn’t show the OS the full amount). You end up painstakingly taking the water loop or whatever off (just awesome for hardline water cooled quad crossfire, let me tell ya...) slapping the CPU off the desk a few times scolding it like a dog (there are no pins to bend, so I’m being serious when I say scold the CPU, shouting seems to relieve some of the anger after the 15th time it’s been out of the socket and the 20th time adding sticks one at a time), then cross your fingers and prey the thing actually lets you use all the memory.... It will often work after the 10th time, but sometimes it’s 6 hours of pulling hair to get it to use/bench a new kit of RAM. I’ve never had this issue on my AM3+ Asrock or my AM4 board using all the sticks, but TR4 is just janky! Also seems to help if you have it warm, so if you’re room is around freezing be thankful if it even boots with 16 GB! I’ve had to use a hair drier to warm it up before... and yeah, I actually use my computer to warm up my room so that’s a problem, the last week it’s been running 6x Handbrake batch file encodes at once compressing my bloated videos of all the stupid stuff I do (maybe I should just run a jet engine on diesel to heat up my room... IDK, I think using quad crossfire and Threadripper sounds more reasonable, but I always need an excuse to buy a turbojet, Aerospace engineer if you didn’t guess, lol!)
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499usd = 450 euros
Rip intel lmao.
Out of all those , you just found some to bash somebody . Good grief .
@@abhroy what?
Asrock looks cheap and crappy, as always
Their boards look way better in person, when you pick up a Threadripper Asrock board (they do look like $hit in pictures I totally agree), but when you pick it up they are freaken beefy! They also look way nicer. I’m more industrial, I like the look of CNC machined parts and a brushed aluminum finish on some of the accents. They are quite a monster when you have them in person (this comes from someone who uses their system with quad crossfire pulling on average just over 1.7 kW when gaming, running Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra at 100fps, though I want to upgrade to quad Vega VII for triple 4k if they are unlocked for Xfire like they might just have been). Anyways, they look very premium and beefy in person, but the cheaper X370 ones still do look pretty “meh” (like alright, as in they will handle LN2 overclocking just fine, and the X370 Fatal1ty I have does go up to 2.5 Vcore so more than enough to instantly fry any RYZEN even on liquid helium, but they don’t look like “damn, you see those sexy VRMs that can jump start a car?!?” kind of look)