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2015: Nah, i'll stick with my old CPU, it's not like anything changed. 2019: Nah, i'll stick with my old CPU, if I wait 2 months something twice as fast will have launched.
@Ashurii When you adjust prices for inflation the reality is computer prices have dropped drastically over the years. You don't feel it because most wages have not kept up with inflation. If all you need is a web browsing machine, you'll need to upgrade only when the magic blue smoke comes out.
@z3 I will actually give you that one. Though, the 5700xt is a step in the right direction. I think it is similar to first gen Ryzen in that it is a good starting point and I hope they can go above and beyond with future GPUs like Ryzen and Threadripper are now.
if thats nuts you should see the phoronix benchmark/review they have a 14 page article full of charts. they said they did over 100 benchmarks for each system they tested which based on the data i believe.
@Deez Nutz oh thats good to hear, the only reason why I would choose threadripper over ryzen is ECC support. But if the 3950x can support ECC I can get high clocks, 16 cores, & ECC support, on the next christmas as by the time I have enough to buy it'll already be last gen discounted 😅
My Ryzen 1700 supports ECC. And I don't mean it just works with ECC RAM without ECC functionality. The ECC function actually works. Of course, it differs from motherboard to motherboard. Great for ZFS NAS.
Except for the fact that intel performance is heavily nerfed due to their security flaws... which their hyperthreading allows. I'd like to see intels (new and old) performance after they have been patched for security flaws.
@@Aggrofool most people just call the zen 2 epyc chips "Rome" and obviously threadripper just gets called TR1/2/3 so that's the easy work around to be less "edgy".
@@Aggrofool Ya, Epyc is a dumb name for a product solely targeted at businesses and professional. Threadripper isn't quite as bad since it's at least partly targetted towards consumers (or was before this generation).
@Martin M nah that was the 7740X. Absolutely useless and dead on arrival BECAUSE of Intel's own doing. This time, it's AMD causing it and it did last 6 hours because embargo lift lols
intel has more security flaws that cost all in all up to 40% of performance. therefore intel clearly wins in this department. intel is therefore the clear winner, obviously. intel FTW!
@@ElvenMans The 3950x beats the 10980XE in almost everything, is cheaper, uses less power and is on a cheaper platform. So Intel didn't even win on price
They're more concerned with crippling their own software to make it a glorified meme-generator and then hopped aboard the anti-consumer DRM train. No engineers at Adobe are left to actually multithread Photoshop.
Minor criticism: I feel like overclocked results could use some color coding or some other visual indicator (like just a little dot next to the number or something) on these crowded graphs so that it's easier to compare apples to apples at a glance. Having the clock/voltage on the side is great, but I think that readability could be improved so that I don't have to constantly pause to get the full information load of the video. Keep up the great work!
Overcrowding is a problem. Why do I need to see comparative results from the r5 1600? GN should slim the lists down by a third by removing the least relevant comparisons.
@@5GTower1000Percent The target audience of the CPUs may run either custom loops or 360mm AiOs, but they aren't going to overclock due to potential reliability issues. When you ignore the overclocked results, the charts become even more damning for Intel. That's why Intel dropped their prices to under $1,000. They can't keep up. They already knew where AMD's prices were going to land, so they made sure to price things accordingly.
@TPBR11 Yea I saw that as well. Hilarious. I'm sure I'll stick with my current 3900X for some time to come, but cant wait to see how it pans out in the coming years.
I can't wait to see what Zen3 Threadrippers can do. As TSMC's 7nm capabilities mature, we can probably also expect to see core speeds increase too, nullifying it's current (not that weak) weakpoints. If I came in to a sudden windfall of wealth I would build a ridiculous Threadripper rig that would make Linus envious.
And in some instances, themselves. The 3900/3950x is holding their own against the top end zen 2 TR at what 1/3 the cost? Unless you have a fringe usage case, the 3900/3950x are the clear value.
@Ashurii iunno what you're looking at but price/performance is the best it's ever been. A $500 gaming rig was dogshit back in 2000, now a $500 gaming rig is gonna be plenty good enough for medium settings at 1080p for years to come.
@Ashurii Prices did go down. Go and buy any legacy processor now and it will be substantially cheaper than it was at launch. Even newer processors like the 10980XE have prices slashed because of increased competition. I know it's hard for you to not be so self-absorbed for a moment but try and understand anyway: these 'crazy' $2000 processors are not meant for you. They never were meant for regular consumers. They aren't gaming CPUs. They're workstation CPUs, and they are far more performant for the same price compared to the same class of processors even 1 year ago.
@Ashurii If you think 2K is a lot for a 32-core behemoth that could highly improve your workload and therefore cut your deadlines by half then I don't think you have any use for 32 cores whatsoever
@Ashurii If you spent as much time working as you did complaining to strangers on the internet then your salary would more than nullify these alleged price hikes.
@@junkiexl86 how time flies by. i remember my Athlon thunderbird 1.2ghz whit 512 sdram. what a beast it was at the time. would be a fun experiement to try and open a chrometab on it now.
Athlon 64 was the last time AMD thoroughly dominated Intel both on desktop and server. During that time, Intel actually fell down even more but eventually turned around after 5 years. So AMD fanboys will get to enjoy Intel's self-inflicted downturn for quite some time.
@Ashurii the Intel v. AMD war thing you mentioned, Linus addressed it in his i9-10980XE review/rant, so your concern is echoed by the media too, and I agree. Intel really did a nasty
Imagine releasing a product that goes obsolete for only 6 hours after release. Let that sink in... I swear we're ushering in a golden era of CPU these days...
@@CaptnKrksNippls Thanks. @thegeorgezila notice I didn't argue the Threadripper's performance and value. All three generations are very good silicon, and AMD should be commended for bringing value to the HEDT market. What I was commenting on was the name "Threadripper". Just like Epyc, it sounds like a name a middle-schooler would think is a cool name for a product. I'd like to see AMD return to Athlon, Duron, and Opteron, but I understand why they wanted a clean break from them.
The main thing is the competition driving up quality and reducing prices, I have just built a basic Ryzen system for my mum for£500, its performance is roughly the same, ( except for gaming), as a £1250 Intel system that I built a couple of years ago.
@@goldenchestplate2457 nah, doesn't feel like an excuse here **shrug** But yeah, for every "WAAAH AMD IS ON 7 AND BARELY COMPETES WITH INTLEL ON 10/14 WAAAH" I have 2 things for counterask: 1) AMD is still somewhere between "barely competing" and "kicking a$$" most of the time, isn't it? 2) Why the frick isn't "glorious modest" Intlel on 7nm then?
@@Sushant2688 nah i aint hurt look at the benchmarks intel core i9 is a gaming cpu, anyway these guys who do benchmarks are cowards why not compare the ThreadRipper to the Intel Xeon W-3175x with 28 cores lets see the benchmarks then
It's good. Keep the market competitive so consumers get a lot more value for money, otherwise Intel will be charging you $2000 for a 8 core, 16 thread HEDT CPU today... As laughable and unbelievable as some may think, it would be the case if AMD hadn't launched these Zen series of processors.
9900k user here (needing lots of pcie lanes Z390 doesn't have, my mistake) here's my review of the threadripper "bye Intel" if gaming was as bad as the 29xx series I wouldn't have looked at it but the 39xx fixed that so I can get a gameable "next gen" plateform
I have always wanted these as well being a fellow home studio producer, but the problem is every plugin behaves differently with the added issue that all producers/engineers might not even use the said 'plugin' and then on top of that when you count the number of choices in DAWs nowadays, it comes down to a staggering amount of variables with each Daw favoring and handling tasks based on core frequencies/threads differently than the other. But I agree, they can add a fairly popular daw as Ableton live/Pro tools/Cubase with several instances of a plugin that takes a lot of resources (Serum comes to my mind as one) and then calculating the Cpu usage/render times.
My 2970WX works in audio projects just fine. Depending on DAW, it might not scale perfectly. But it does give a lot of power, but considering the Architecture changes in TR3 and the increased speeds, I cannot imagine why it wouldn't work perfectly.
@@nomindseye You have a beast of a CPU brother! I can't even imagine the render times on your projects! lol, You probably don't even have to bounce plugin tracks as well! JELLY AF!
@@adityaghosal1000 Oh, bouncing tracks... Right, that thing that I haven't done for a very long time. Haha. Yeah, I don't bounce stuff anymore. Honestly the CPU is for VFX work in Houdini, not specifically for Audio projects. But inevitably I use it for that too. The core count is useful both in Reaper and Bitwig, but for example in VCV Rack I can only use 6 threads, until it just keels over and audio glitches out. I don't actually right now own any other computer that goes over 6 threads, so I don't know if it's a VCV Rack specific issue, or TR2 specific issue. But that's the only hiccup I have with it. So far I haven't actually had any trouble using VCV, so it's not really limiting me. But I bet that works much better on the new TR3.
They will. Next-generation of consoles will be powered by Zen 2 based chips. Unlike the semi-custom Jaguar cores of the current generation consoles. This will make development moving forward more inter-compatible between all platforms.
Would you guys consider adding Adobe Lightroom to the suite? There must have been a somewhat recent update since it loads up all 24 threads on my 3900X doing DNG conversion and exporting files. I'm real curious to see what the limit is and how Intel and AMD stack up.
Now that E-atx is becoming more common you guys should do a review of the best E-atx cases. I am running a gen1 Threadripper w/ Aorus 7 x399 in a Thermaltake view 37 but have been looking for a new case for a while and am finding there is surprisingly few E-atx compatible cases, at least reasonably priced ones.
The only surprising thing about the gaming performace is just how solid it is. It's like buying an earthmover for house renovation, but that earthmover can do 90 on a highway as you drive to your family for Thanksgiving
@thegeorgezila I'm not following your logic though... I've stated that this reviewer has a slight bias against AMD, and the fact that I'm noticing it while NOT in AMD "camp" means something to me. What sorts of confirmation of bias do you see in my comment?
@@michaelmiller3012 if I had any video editing chops, I'd pirate the movie, cut the clip mentioned, and photoshop AMD and INtel logos onto the appropriate actors.
My current machine is almost 2 years old and has a 7800X in it. I picked up a 9820X at Microcenter for $299. I figure I am good now until Ryzen 3 comes out next year. :) The huge discounts on Intel are fantastic.
Thanks for the very thorough benchmark comparisons. Any possibility you could do game benchmarks on Threadripper using Swiftshader (newest version in development by Google)? It would be interesting to see if a software renderer could keep up with any kind of modern GPU.
Hey Steve, I have an Interesting idea for a video. From the Threadripper reviews we see that cache speed does improve gaming performance on some games alot, could you try Cache Overclocking on zen 2 cpus like the r5 3600? every board should have that option in the bios. i hope you read this. (i'm not a native english speaker)
You really ought to separate the HEDT parts from the Mainstream parts in your rankings. If I'm in the market for a render machine, PCIe lanes for super fast storage also become important. There's no way I'd be looking at a mainstream Intel or AMD part for that sort of build. Overclocked results shouldn't be posted either. They should be relegated to an overclocking section in your video near the end or something. Folks that work, can't be bothered fiddling with vCore and other settings when their machine decides to one day no longer be stable at a given overclock due to a rise in the ambient temperature in the office. The way it is now, I have to constantly pause the video to make sense out of which part is which. Just a suggestion as I had to go elsewhere to get an actual review and be able to compare the HEDT parts without having the same part figure multiple times in the same graph at different overclocked frequencies and a bunch of mainstream parts thrown in for god knows what reason. What I'm suggesting is as logical as your reasoning for not focusing on gaming benchmarks for HEDT parts.
Thank you GN for keeping in mind that Intel CPUs generally have a significant amount of overclocking headroom, and actually testing the 10980XE both with and without a real overclock on it. This gives a much fairer look at what the CPU is actually capable of, and strangely enough, thus far this channel is the only channel to actually test the 10980XE with an actual overclock on it...the only other channel to test anything other than stock values was Paul's Hardware, and all he did was Asus' EZ Mode AI OC, which didn't exactly push the CPU all that much. It's nice to see how far AMD has come with Threadripper, and I think I understand now why they couldn't just stick with TR4 to get this kind of generational leap in performance.
Time to be a little critical of this review. Why are the benchmarks limited to graphical workloads? There are benchmarks designed for high performance computers (HPC) recognized by the industry like HPC Challenge, TPC database benchmarks via for example HammerDB with Microsoft SQL Server 2017 Developer (free) or HiBench for testing with Hadoop (BigData) database for testing with 19 workloads (micro transaction, machine learning, sql, graph, websearch and streaming). and CISL. These benchmarks do not only test raw IPC performance, but also interconnects, memory, disk IO and several advanced instruction sets like encryption and virtualization extensions needed for VDI applications.. These benchmarks are realworld HPC applications. Usually 4GB of memory per thread is advised, meaning a 32c/64t CPU needs 256GB memory (8 x 32GB). Most graphical designers also use GPU acceleration for rendering. .
The game choices by Hardware Unboxed painted a quite different picture of the gaming performance. Basically, the new TRs were leading a bunch of charts, topping 9900K in many games. In any case, the new Threadrippers are fixing pretty much all of the weak spots of the previous gen ones, while also massively improving where they were already great.
I'm picturing the board meeting where Intel was forced to slash their prices. One of them says, in a Thurston Howell III voice (ask your grandparents), "But we can't *lower* our HEDT prices, *poor* people might start *buying* them!"
Whew! I think I might have to start listening to you slowed down. Do you practice vocal exercises cramming maximum data per minute? Thank you for good content, please keep it up.
11:35 I believe the main reason 7-Zip is slower compressing than decompressing. When compressing; the dictionary is being built, making threading much harder (virtually impossible, it's impressive that it still scales so well!). For decompressing; the dictionary is immutable so the cores can all have their own copy in their own cache. Sure, the core count is the headliner, but the size of CPU cache has never expanded at such a rate. I think it's only a matter of time until we see chiplets of HBM L3/4 cache, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the next consoles implemented this actually.
If time is money, spending money on TR3000 seems to buy you time...interesting spread here, might have to watch it again to digest it all. And a larger version coming beginning of next year, AMD doesn't seem to want to give Intel time to do anything but say "oh shit, not again"...
Me sitting here on my 1600x watching a 3950x review Me:"ohh damn thats sexy" 1600x: "you know you cant afford her" Me watching 3960x review "starts staring" 1600x "she is soooo out of your league" Me watching 3970x review "starts drooling and cant look away" 1600x "SLAP" "Im taking the monitor the keyboard and the mouse, you can keep the speakers!" walks out. Me "no baby come back I was just looking!"
i feel you. my 1600x runs stable at 4ghz. but it still bottlenecks in sertain games. but the only uppgrades that are worth it is the 39xx or 9900ks. both requiering expensive mb and cooling solutions to suplement it. and suddenly theire out off my pricerange for now.
@@wingracer1614 yeah i know. but my 1600x runs 4ghz stable on all cores. so the 2600 wont be that much off an uppgrade. would have to aim for the 3700 or so for it to make sense. maby if shadowlands brings life to pvp or not.
When you reference gaming, as in "if you want to game for an hour in between renders", you should really emphasize that you're talking about CPU-bound high-refresh-rate 1080p gaming when considering value. Playing Civilization 6? This will be amazing. Playing in 4K 60Hz? CPU doesn't matter that much. Such qualifications matter a lot to the bottom line evaluation for potential buyers.
Just a suggestion why don't you add power consumption on the right side so viewers can view the difference, I am not questioning the credibility of your claim, but would love to see those numbers. Keep up the good work.
Looks like it is time to retire my 1950x out of the main rig and down to the server. Still bummed about the MB change and the price jump but not the end of the world.
Is anybody gonna talk about the dirty Threadrippers he has in the video...just come on...you cleaned the top from thermal paste and left a mess on the sides...
Just watched hardware unboxed video on this same subject. Why is it that your results are always so skewed from other reviewers. Why is it that the way you present a favorite seems to be Shintel all the time? We all know that consumers have been taken down a very expensive road, and clearly from others, AMD is the way to go!
I knew AMD was back in the game, so I built a new AMD system. But damn, I'm constantly being stunned. Great times for the enthusiast market, although I've been seeing price gouging.
@z3 "Lazy Adobe engineers" ....dont know about it being the engineers in particular, but Adobe as a whole for sure. They dont care to keep up, because they already have their claws in AND a complete corporate ethic of greed: Take everything you can, the consumer is not even an afterthought.
Hi Steve, thanks for the great content :) Did you change something on the video compression settings? I am getting alot of grain and overall the video looks less sharp. Its especially noticable starting at 24:37. The black wall on your right and the shadow you cast underneath the table on your right.
Oooh, those look neat. Not asetek, cheap, good fans, and i like the VRM fan idea (though cryorig already did that, just not quite as elegantly) Wonder how they bypassed the patent
I would expect most workstations using hedt parts to be using 4k monitors. At 4k as long as the cpu can reach the ~100fps mark, it should be enough to max out any gpu and having a faster gaming cpu wouldn't make a difference anyway. Seems like the new threadripper part hits that mark just fine.
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Why not include or compare against the Intel W-3175X?
Watch GN's Review then watch LTT's Rant.
@@simonh317 Wendell did on Level1
Hardware Unboxed run SOTTR in 1080 High, but the Threadrippers were first there. How can you explain that? th-cam.com/video/oKYY37ss3lY/w-d-xo.html
Have you seen JayzTwoCents on Intel?? He is so freaking out. Funny! xD
2015: Nah, i'll stick with my old CPU, it's not like anything changed.
2019: Nah, i'll stick with my old CPU, if I wait 2 months something twice as fast will have launched.
@Ashurii wait how do you spent less money?
@Ashurii do you need some cheese with that whine?
@Ashurii When you adjust prices for inflation the reality is computer prices have dropped drastically over the years. You don't feel it because most wages have not kept up with inflation. If all you need is a web browsing machine, you'll need to upgrade only when the magic blue smoke comes out.
2015: Nah, I'll stick with my old cpu, it's not like anything changed.
2019:Nah, I'll stick with my old cpu, if I wait 6 hours there be a better one.
2019 - Nah, I'll stick with my old CPU, there are still no decent workstation motherboards for any of AMD CPUs :(
AMD is one of the greatest comeback stories in tech history. Amazing how their CPU division over a few years crushed Intel.
AMD hasn't crushed anything. They have made a small dent in Intel CPU sales, that is all.
@@fi5mvKsW3M Ok boomer.
@@fi5mvKsW3M Ok boomer
fi5mvKsW3M Uh Oh... BIG MOOD BOOMER
@z3 I will actually give you that one. Though, the 5700xt is a step in the right direction. I think it is similar to first gen Ryzen in that it is a good starting point and I hope they can go above and beyond with future GPUs like Ryzen and Threadripper are now.
The engineer that named it Threadripper most be so proud, I don't blame them
I am 😉
@@tskraj3190 Uh...
I find it funny...most people and Tech Tubers thought: "What a dumb bro-dude name"...now everybody says: "It fits and is cool!"
It probably wasn't an engineer.
And naming TRX (like T.Rex) the platform also deserves a prize
"Absurd amount of charts" the original working title for the channel...
if thats nuts you should see the phoronix benchmark/review they have a 14 page article full of charts. they said they did over 100 benchmarks for each system they tested which based on the data i believe.
@@dungeonlord Michael from Phoronix has automated testing systems which he created himself and he produces absurd amounts of charts almost every day.
"Charting Jesus"
If you don't like the depth, try another channel. this is the place to dig deep and get answers.
I think, ECC support for Threadripper should have been mentioned.
yeah, been a standard 'given' for AMD for so long I kind of forgot about that. good point.
@Deez Nutz oh thats good to hear, the only reason why I would choose threadripper over ryzen is ECC support. But if the 3950x can support ECC I can get high clocks, 16 cores, & ECC support, on the next christmas as by the time I have enough to buy it'll already be last gen discounted 😅
My Ryzen 1700 supports ECC. And I don't mean it just works with ECC RAM without ECC functionality. The ECC function actually works. Of course, it differs from motherboard to motherboard. Great for ZFS NAS.
@sbcontt YT i'm not sure but amd also has their version of "hyperthreading" . it's called Simultaneous multi-threading
Except for the fact that intel performance is heavily nerfed due to their security flaws... which their hyperthreading allows.
I'd like to see intels (new and old) performance after they have been patched for security flaws.
Let's be honest: Threadripper is just too damn cool of a name for it to be a second place part.
I am still worried about the names Threadripper and Epyc being too edgy for stodgy businesses who buy server chips
@@Aggrofool most people just call the zen 2 epyc chips "Rome" and obviously threadripper just gets called TR1/2/3 so that's the easy work around to be less "edgy".
@@Aggrofool Business care a lot about names now and not performance?
@@Aggrofool Ya, Epyc is a dumb name for a product solely targeted at businesses and professional. Threadripper isn't quite as bad since it's at least partly targetted towards consumers (or was before this generation).
Threads ripping is cool unless it's in my pants. fml
Intel holds the new record of obsolescence with the 10980xe grats intel!
Obsolete even before competition officially released
@Martin M nah that was the 7740X. Absolutely useless and dead on arrival BECAUSE of Intel's own doing. This time, it's AMD causing it and it did last 6 hours because embargo lift lols
STAPH ITS ALREADY DEAD !
intel has more security flaws that cost all in all up to 40% of performance. therefore intel clearly wins in this department. intel is therefore the clear winner, obviously.
intel FTW!
@@MarekMottl 😂
Well, at least Intel still has the lead in power consumption.
lol:)
the leading psu melter. Buy today!!
And in price, no?
@@ElvenMans The 3950x beats the 10980XE in almost everything, is cheaper, uses less power and is on a cheaper platform.
So Intel didn't even win on price
Lmao
The first few minutes of this presentation do nothing but demonstrate Adobe's catastrophic failure to take advantage of cutting edge hardware.
They're more concerned with crippling their own software to make it a glorified meme-generator and then hopped aboard the anti-consumer DRM train. No engineers at Adobe are left to actually multithread Photoshop.
@@SamnissArandeen lol
Minor criticism: I feel like overclocked results could use some color coding or some other visual indicator (like just a little dot next to the number or something) on these crowded graphs so that it's easier to compare apples to apples at a glance. Having the clock/voltage on the side is great, but I think that readability could be improved so that I don't have to constantly pause to get the full information load of the video. Keep up the great work!
Overcrowding is a problem. Why do I need to see comparative results from the r5 1600? GN should slim the lists down by a third by removing the least relevant comparisons.
This is why I prefer hardware unboxed, their graphs are easier to digest.
@@Buffinator1988 because you can get them for under a hundred and people still use them
@@5GTower1000Percent The target audience of the CPUs may run either custom loops or 360mm AiOs, but they aren't going to overclock due to potential reliability issues. When you ignore the overclocked results, the charts become even more damning for Intel. That's why Intel dropped their prices to under $1,000. They can't keep up. They already knew where AMD's prices were going to land, so they made sure to price things accordingly.
@@Buffinator1988 I agree, just seeing the HEDT parts along side the 9900k and 3950X would be enough for me.
The scary part is the 3990X hasn't even come out yet
It's gonna be harsh for intel. On top of that, let them drop 7nm mobile Ryzens...
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It is $3990 but its still faster and more efficient than the xeons its meant to go against.
Lol 64 cores 128 threads get rekt intel
The gap between 2nd and 3rd gen TR's is damn impressive.
@TPBR11 I hope so!
@TPBR11 Yea I saw that as well. Hilarious. I'm sure I'll stick with my current 3900X for some time to come, but cant wait to see how it pans out in the coming years.
I can't wait to see what Zen3 Threadrippers can do. As TSMC's 7nm capabilities mature, we can probably also expect to see core speeds increase too, nullifying it's current (not that weak) weakpoints. If I came in to a sudden windfall of wealth I would build a ridiculous Threadripper rig that would make Linus envious.
3990X confirmed, dang what a rock and a hard place for intel
epyc's gonna have to shift to 128 cores soon if they do that
@@Oliver-bn7jt good!
@@Oliver-bn7jt why? this has more lanes than TRX.
@@parabelluminvicta8380 and the 8 channel memory helps ALOT. I own a first gen epyc system, these cpus are make me cry. lol
3990x is january 2020 release right?
I guess Amd just decided to slaughter Intel today
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Well and truly ;)
And in some instances, themselves. The 3900/3950x is holding their own against the top end zen 2 TR at what 1/3 the cost? Unless you have a fringe usage case, the 3900/3950x are the clear value.
@@junkiexl86 Unless you need to PCIe lanes, too
pabloeli29 and quad channel memory
This is the most exciting time to be a PC enthusiast that I can remember :)
@Ashurii iunno what you're looking at but price/performance is the best it's ever been.
A $500 gaming rig was dogshit back in 2000, now a $500 gaming rig is gonna be plenty good enough for medium settings at 1080p for years to come.
2004-2005 was better XDD
@Ashurii Prices did go down. Go and buy any legacy processor now and it will be substantially cheaper than it was at launch. Even newer processors like the 10980XE have prices slashed because of increased competition.
I know it's hard for you to not be so self-absorbed for a moment but try and understand anyway: these 'crazy' $2000 processors are not meant for you. They never were meant for regular consumers. They aren't gaming CPUs. They're workstation CPUs, and they are far more performant for the same price compared to the same class of processors even 1 year ago.
@Ashurii If you think 2K is a lot for a 32-core behemoth that could highly improve your workload and therefore cut your deadlines by half then I don't think you have any use for 32 cores whatsoever
@Ashurii If you spent as much time working as you did complaining to strangers on the internet then your salary would more than nullify these alleged price hikes.
AMD now has the objectively best desktop CPU. How many years has it been since that was the case? Longer than I can remember.
athlon 64 and 64x2 came in 2003 and 2005.
Athlon 64, about 15 years ago
@@junkiexl86 how time flies by. i remember my Athlon thunderbird 1.2ghz whit 512 sdram. what a beast it was at the time. would be a fun experiement to try and open a chrometab on it now.
It was Intel's fault
Athlon 64 was the last time AMD thoroughly dominated Intel both on desktop and server. During that time, Intel actually fell down even more but eventually turned around after 5 years. So AMD fanboys will get to enjoy Intel's self-inflicted downturn for quite some time.
Hey freak777power, any thoughts on your precious 10980XE that you've been literally hyping up for weeks being *DOA* in less than 24 hours?
freak777power the blasted guy from everyone, how many times he got rekt? wait i guess hes defending his i7 7700k, quad core is enough for gamingz
Why about that basshead guy? Ever see him around shilling for Intel like crazy. Meanwhile he’s running a pentium at home
I’ve been seeing less and less of NEGA and that dumb ass UHDGaming in the comments lately . Hmmm I wonder why? :)
17:29
That graph being drawn...
It is beautiful.
Intel playing the value card is something to be apreciated.
Jeez I get 5 notifications whenever these embargoes get lifted
But you clearly know which of the 5 to click on, fine choice sir.
@@backupplan6058 weakling.... I'd watch all five at a time
ROAM3R good thing almost no one put separate videos for Intel’s Skylake++++++++
@Ashurii the Intel v. AMD war thing you mentioned, Linus addressed it in his i9-10980XE review/rant, so your concern is echoed by the media too, and I agree. Intel really did a nasty
@Ashurii Well these are HEDT, not exactly for the average user. If your not making cash with your system at least 90% of the time these arent for you.
Imagine releasing a product that goes obsolete for only 6 hours after release. Let that sink in...
I swear we're ushering in a golden era of CPU these days...
Now this is an Avengers level thread
This is so dumb it made me laugh... you win an internet cookie sir.
Really is, like in the Avengers movies the number of Avengers keep increase, like the Threadripper threads per generation
People laughed when they first heard the name "Threadripper" a few years ago. They laugh no more.....................
I still think it's a stupid name, but it's hard to argue with how good these are.
I literally did. But they totally own it.
@thegeorgezila stop assuming because he doesn't like the threadripper name he's okay with 10980
@@CaptnKrksNippls Thanks. @thegeorgezila notice I didn't argue the Threadripper's performance and value. All three generations are very good silicon, and AMD should be commended for bringing value to the HEDT market. What I was commenting on was the name "Threadripper". Just like Epyc, it sounds like a name a middle-schooler would think is a cool name for a product. I'd like to see AMD return to Athlon, Duron, and Opteron, but I understand why they wanted a clean break from them.
@thegeorgezila don’t forget Xeon, all retarded names. I agree, at least threadripper makes sense, lol
All these discussions and benchmarks just prove to me what a beast 3950x is. Good balance of single-core/multi-core/price/power consumption !!!
Serves intel right for putting backdoors in their chips
AMD has PSP tho.
amd also has backdoors for the cia to enjoy, theyre just more secure
JC Denton Intel didn't put them there on purpose.
@@wysetech2000 yeah they did. Its called the Intel Management Engine. It has backdoor network access built into the cpu.
@@jcdentonunatco You don't know fuck all. I suppose you own AMD.
i like hearing about Threadrippers, but I'd never buy one. kind of like hearing about Ferrari's and Lamborghini's new offerings.
Well this is most likely a semi-truck... you might like them, but if you are not going to use it to work with, is kind of pointless to have one.
@@portedbikes great analogy.
The main thing is the competition driving up quality and reducing prices, I have just built a basic Ryzen system for my mum for£500, its performance is roughly the same, ( except for gaming), as a £1250 Intel system that I built a couple of years ago.
@@portedbikes 20k horsepower truck that can tow an entire skyscraper
@@snowstar3560 yes, you can use for it for work, but it is not a daily driver :)
Almost feels like AMD have found some awesome processor tech under some hydraulic press somewhere and are rapidly advancing their tech based on it.
You mean AMD uses 7nm against Intel's 14nm?
@@kimnice Don't make excuses because Intel is still on 14nm and AMD on 7nm.Both needed to advanced and so for Intel.
@@goldenchestplate2457 nah, doesn't feel like an excuse here **shrug**
But yeah, for every "WAAAH AMD IS ON 7 AND BARELY COMPETES WITH INTLEL ON 10/14 WAAAH" I have 2 things for counterask:
1) AMD is still somewhere between "barely competing" and "kicking a$$" most of the time, isn't it?
2) Why the frick isn't "glorious modest" Intlel on 7nm then?
Still Intel slacked bigtime. Now Intels know what it is like that your competitor is using a better node than yours.
Let's hope they don't make the same mistake as Cyberdyne does :P
You know, that 520W power dissipation sure seems like a good selling point for intel during this season.
Steve's faces on thumbnails of 10980xe and 3970x reviews read like a Drake meme template
Didn’t even get to finish the intel review, and boom and amd review
Intel cries in the corner.
@Povilas Kuznecovas sound like you're the fanboy here..intel fanboy.
@Povilas Kuznecovas Wait till 3990X crushed it further. good luck.
so far Intel is leading in gaming keep dreaming amd fanboys, your amd will never be a gaming cpu
@@Justice-qw7sj it's okay, you are hurt. You are allowed to say that. I can feel your pain.
@@Sushant2688 nah i aint hurt look at the benchmarks intel core i9 is a gaming cpu, anyway these guys who do benchmarks are cowards why not compare the ThreadRipper to the Intel Xeon W-3175x with 28 cores lets see the benchmarks then
To clarify you don't need CUDA to run GPU+CPU renders in blender. OpenCL allows this as well (CPU, GPU, CPU+GPU, CPU+GPU+GPU, etc).
its like New CPU's are raining down on consumers every week
This ain't for consumer though. This is prosumer.
@@ark_knightit's not the only CPU that launched. I meant all the CPU's that are launching dude
If rumor about a January launch for Zen 2 APUs are true, we are getting more in a couple months!
It's good. Keep the market competitive so consumers get a lot more value for money, otherwise Intel will be charging you $2000 for a 8 core, 16 thread HEDT CPU today... As laughable and unbelievable as some may think, it would be the case if AMD hadn't launched these Zen series of processors.
@@DanteLovesPizza I totally agree to this. Intel was just ripping off consumers
Me: "Oh yes I will run games between my workloads"
Also me: plays Slay The Spire and Factorio
I submit that we should call all TRX40 motherboards, T-Rex mobos.
9900k user here (needing lots of pcie lanes Z390 doesn't have, my mistake) here's my review of the threadripper "bye Intel"
if gaming was as bad as the 29xx series I wouldn't have looked at it but the 39xx fixed that so I can get a gameable "next gen" plateform
Can how these processors perform for audio editing / mixing applications - like protools or cubase - and how many plugins / core usage be shown??
I have always wanted these as well being a fellow home studio producer, but the problem is every plugin behaves differently with the added issue that all producers/engineers might not even use the said 'plugin' and then on top of that when you count the number of choices in DAWs nowadays, it comes down to a staggering amount of variables with each Daw favoring and handling tasks based on core frequencies/threads differently than the other. But I agree, they can add a fairly popular daw as Ableton live/Pro tools/Cubase with several instances of a plugin that takes a lot of resources (Serum comes to my mind as one) and then calculating the Cpu usage/render times.
My 2970WX works in audio projects just fine. Depending on DAW, it might not scale perfectly. But it does give a lot of power, but considering the Architecture changes in TR3 and the increased speeds, I cannot imagine why it wouldn't work perfectly.
@@nomindseye You have a beast of a CPU brother! I can't even imagine the render times on your projects! lol, You probably don't even have to bounce plugin tracks as well! JELLY AF!
@@adityaghosal1000 Oh, bouncing tracks... Right, that thing that I haven't done for a very long time. Haha. Yeah, I don't bounce stuff anymore. Honestly the CPU is for VFX work in Houdini, not specifically for Audio projects. But inevitably I use it for that too. The core count is useful both in Reaper and Bitwig, but for example in VCV Rack I can only use 6 threads, until it just keels over and audio glitches out. I don't actually right now own any other computer that goes over 6 threads, so I don't know if it's a VCV Rack specific issue, or TR2 specific issue. But that's the only hiccup I have with it. So far I haven't actually had any trouble using VCV, so it's not really limiting me. But I bet that works much better on the new TR3.
How you even test that to begin with?
Going to interesting to see when we start getting 24/32/48/64 cores in the consumer space
I really hope game developers start taking advantage of all the additional cores and threads these new generation processors have in the near future.
They will. Next-generation of consoles will be powered by Zen 2 based chips. Unlike the semi-custom Jaguar cores of the current generation consoles. This will make development moving forward more inter-compatible between all platforms.
Would you guys consider adding Adobe Lightroom to the suite? There must have been a somewhat recent update since it loads up all 24 threads on my 3900X doing DNG conversion and exporting files. I'm real curious to see what the limit is and how Intel and AMD stack up.
Now that E-atx is becoming more common you guys should do a review of the best E-atx cases. I am running a gen1 Threadripper w/ Aorus 7 x399 in a Thermaltake view 37 but have been looking for a new case for a while and am finding there is surprisingly few E-atx compatible cases, at least reasonably priced ones.
The only surprising thing about the gaming performace is just how solid it is. It's like buying an earthmover for house renovation, but that earthmover can do 90 on a highway as you drive to your family for Thanksgiving
It's incredible how Aliens are giving us all this ancient technology!
Just ordered my threadripper…. I’m so excited
I gotta see this thing on LN2!!!!
i like how he alluded to that in the video, but might be waiting for the 90 chip to release
We need to see him and the bearded one go for some world records with this thing.
I used to own an INTEL 3970X :-) a few years ago
I always felt a bit of bias against AMD but this video just confirmed it.
And before you all jump on me, I use two machines with Intel chips inside.
@thegeorgezila I'm not following your logic though...
I've stated that this reviewer has a slight bias against AMD, and the fact that I'm noticing it while NOT in AMD "camp" means something to me.
What sorts of confirmation of bias do you see in my comment?
AMD: "who run computer town?"
intel *softly" "threadripper runs...computer town"
AMD *sends prerelease to gamers nexus" "Louder!"
Intel: "THR*screetching sound as youtube vid goes live* THREAD RIPPER RUN COMPUTER TOWN"AMD: Embargo lifted!"
Nice "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" reference.
@@michaelmiller3012 if I had any video editing chops, I'd pirate the movie, cut the clip mentioned, and photoshop AMD and INtel logos onto the appropriate actors.
I have a 3970x, best cpu i've had. Purchased it in 2012 and still using it today
My current machine is almost 2 years old and has a 7800X in it. I picked up a 9820X at Microcenter for $299. I figure I am good now until Ryzen 3 comes out next year. :) The huge discounts on Intel are fantastic.
And I just finished watching previous video. Nice!
Channel name: "Gamers Nexus" - 1:22 "games got minimized" - 1:25 "this is not a gaming CPU"
Damn big dang day! Thanks for working your butts off on all this!
Thanks for the very thorough benchmark comparisons. Any possibility you could do game benchmarks on Threadripper using Swiftshader (newest version in development by Google)? It would be interesting to see if a software renderer could keep up with any kind of modern GPU.
This might be the most technically proficient part review I've ever watched. This dude is GOOD.
28:10 this expression is the perfect summery
When you called the 3950x baby threadripper my first thought was, 'oh, so it's a babyripper.'
Imagine if amd went with that.
Hey Steve, I have an Interesting idea for a video. From the Threadripper reviews we see that cache speed does improve gaming performance on some games alot, could you try Cache Overclocking on zen 2 cpus like the r5 3600? every board should have that option in the bios. i hope you read this.
(i'm not a native english speaker)
Thanks for the hard work
This is what happens when you sit on you're hands for near a decade while you're competition is hard at work.
Every tech review: “AMD is the new performance king, Intel is slaughtered”
AMD stock: 📉
No one said the stock market makes any sense. Buy the rumor, sell the news.
You really ought to separate the HEDT parts from the Mainstream parts in your rankings. If I'm in the market for a render machine, PCIe lanes for super fast storage also become important. There's no way I'd be looking at a mainstream Intel or AMD part for that sort of build.
Overclocked results shouldn't be posted either. They should be relegated to an overclocking section in your video near the end or something. Folks that work, can't be bothered fiddling with vCore and other settings when their machine decides to one day no longer be stable at a given overclock due to a rise in the ambient temperature in the office.
The way it is now, I have to constantly pause the video to make sense out of which part is which. Just a suggestion as I had to go elsewhere to get an actual review and be able to compare the HEDT parts without having the same part figure multiple times in the same graph at different overclocked frequencies and a bunch of mainstream parts thrown in for god knows what reason. What I'm suggesting is as logical as your reasoning for not focusing on gaming benchmarks for HEDT parts.
Thank you... A lot
Thank you GN for keeping in mind that Intel CPUs generally have a significant amount of overclocking headroom, and actually testing the 10980XE both with and without a real overclock on it. This gives a much fairer look at what the CPU is actually capable of, and strangely enough, thus far this channel is the only channel to actually test the 10980XE with an actual overclock on it...the only other channel to test anything other than stock values was Paul's Hardware, and all he did was Asus' EZ Mode AI OC, which didn't exactly push the CPU all that much.
It's nice to see how far AMD has come with Threadripper, and I think I understand now why they couldn't just stick with TR4 to get this kind of generational leap in performance.
Threadminator is here!
Time to be a little critical of this review. Why are the benchmarks limited to graphical workloads?
There are benchmarks designed for high performance computers (HPC) recognized by the industry like HPC Challenge, TPC database benchmarks via for example HammerDB with Microsoft SQL Server 2017 Developer (free) or HiBench for testing with Hadoop (BigData) database for testing with 19 workloads (micro transaction, machine learning, sql, graph, websearch and streaming).
and CISL. These benchmarks do not only test raw IPC performance, but also interconnects, memory, disk IO and several advanced instruction sets like encryption and virtualization extensions needed for VDI applications..
These benchmarks are realworld HPC applications. Usually 4GB of memory per thread is advised, meaning a 32c/64t CPU needs 256GB memory (8 x 32GB). Most graphical designers also use GPU acceleration for rendering.
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The only review that matters!
Can't wait to see it on Liquid Nitrogen :) - Going to have another 'score board' fight with Jay?
Fantastic review, thanks!
The game choices by Hardware Unboxed painted a quite different picture of the gaming performance. Basically, the new TRs were leading a bunch of charts, topping 9900K in many games. In any case, the new Threadrippers are fixing pretty much all of the weak spots of the previous gen ones, while also massively improving where they were already great.
Love how you managed to get the maximum amount of Nvidia parts on display. The meme is appreciated.
I'm picturing the board meeting where Intel was forced to slash their prices. One of them says, in a Thurston Howell III voice (ask your grandparents), "But we can't *lower* our HEDT prices, *poor* people might start *buying* them!"
Whew! I think I might have to start listening to you slowed down. Do you practice vocal exercises cramming maximum data per minute? Thank you for good content, please keep it up.
So the new Intel approach is to release CPUs that become obsolete in a matter of hours? Ok.
the amount of info here is incredible.
11:35 I believe the main reason 7-Zip is slower compressing than decompressing. When compressing; the dictionary is being built, making threading much harder (virtually impossible, it's impressive that it still scales so well!). For decompressing; the dictionary is immutable so the cores can all have their own copy in their own cache.
Sure, the core count is the headliner, but the size of CPU cache has never expanded at such a rate. I think it's only a matter of time until we see chiplets of HBM L3/4 cache, I wouldn't be surprised if any of the next consoles implemented this actually.
The moment you think Intel is still on top and then you realize that's just the power consumption chart. At least Intel still wins in something.
Gamer nexus! Your reviews comes always first for me.
I'd like to see cpu comparisons for MIPS/$ and MIPS/Watts.
If time is money, spending money on TR3000 seems to buy you time...interesting spread here, might have to watch it again to digest it all. And a larger version coming beginning of next year, AMD doesn't seem to want to give Intel time to do anything but say "oh shit, not again"...
3:30 When you put too much mayo on your sandwich xD
Me sitting here on my 1600x watching a 3950x review
Me:"ohh damn thats sexy" 1600x: "you know you cant afford her"
Me watching 3960x review "starts staring" 1600x "she is soooo out of your league"
Me watching 3970x review "starts drooling and cant look away" 1600x "SLAP" "Im taking the monitor the keyboard and the mouse, you can keep the speakers!" walks out.
Me "no baby come back I was just looking!"
i feel you. my 1600x runs stable at 4ghz. but it still bottlenecks in sertain games. but the only uppgrades that are worth it is the 39xx or 9900ks. both requiering expensive mb and cooling solutions to suplement it. and suddenly theire out off my pricerange for now.
@@conchayftw 2600s are getting pretty cheap and while not a huge upgrade, it is a nice little bump. And it's just a drop in, don't need anything else.
@@wingracer1614 yeah i know. but my 1600x runs 4ghz stable on all cores. so the 2600 wont be that much off an uppgrade. would have to aim for the 3700 or so for it to make sense. maby if shadowlands brings life to pvp or not.
When you reference gaming, as in "if you want to game for an hour in between renders", you should really emphasize that you're talking about CPU-bound high-refresh-rate 1080p gaming when considering value. Playing Civilization 6? This will be amazing. Playing in 4K 60Hz? CPU doesn't matter that much. Such qualifications matter a lot to the bottom line evaluation for potential buyers.
BTW, HardwareUnboxed shows some amazing benchmarks for these parts, being the best gaming CPUs period in some games.
I'm drooling looking at that 3950x numbers.
Just a suggestion why don't you add power consumption on the right side so viewers can view the difference, I am not questioning the credibility of your claim, but would love to see those numbers. Keep up the good work.
I’ve never seen 30 seconds of unskippable pre-roll ads before.
Looks like it is time to retire my 1950x out of the main rig and down to the server. Still bummed about the MB change and the price jump but not the end of the world.
Is anybody gonna talk about the dirty Threadrippers he has in the video...just come on...you cleaned the top from thermal paste and left a mess on the sides...
Fresh off the bench.
Just watched hardware unboxed video on this same subject. Why is it that your results are always so skewed from other reviewers. Why is it that the way you present a favorite seems to be Shintel all the time? We all know that consumers have been taken down a very expensive road, and clearly from others, AMD is the way to go!
I knew AMD was back in the game, so I built a new AMD system. But damn, I'm constantly being stunned. Great times for the enthusiast market, although I've been seeing price gouging.
Meanwhile, I'm deciding which to open first gamersnexus or hardwareunboxed.
why not both
Fantastic head of hair vs well groomed facial hair and an interest in fishing.....
Both, and more. more points of view betters your opinions and open up different points of view.
will you be doing an overclocking LN2 livestream for the 3970X?
2017 8 core cpus for everyone, 2019 16 core cpus for everyone. AMD done this.
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9900k still best deal for gamers
"Adobe photoshop favours single thread and frequency"
64 core threadripper : Am I joke you you?
@z3 lol? When did that happend? Im curious.
@z3 Source
@@qiyuxuan9437 more expensive licence by core amount in ur system.
@z3 "Lazy Adobe engineers" ....dont know about it being the engineers in particular, but Adobe as a whole for sure. They dont care to keep up, because they already have their claws in AND a complete corporate ethic of greed: Take everything you can, the consumer is not even an afterthought.
Hi Steve, thanks for the great content :) Did you change something on the video compression settings? I am getting alot of grain and overall the video looks less sharp. Its especially noticable starting at 24:37. The black wall on your right and the shadow you cast underneath the table on your right.
Are you guys planning on reviewing the Lancool 2?
Are you going to review the Arctic Liquid Freezer II? I cant find any review with a teardown.
Oooh, those look neat. Not asetek, cheap, good fans, and i like the VRM fan idea (though cryorig already did that, just not quite as elegantly)
Wonder how they bypassed the patent
@MegaAlpakka idk, i'm in europe
I would expect most workstations using hedt parts to be using 4k monitors. At 4k as long as the cpu can reach the ~100fps mark, it should be enough to max out any gpu and having a faster gaming cpu wouldn't make a difference anyway. Seems like the new threadripper part hits that mark just fine.
Until RTX 3080 Ti gets released!
Hoping the 2950X will drop enough so I can replace my 1920X with it.