AMD TRX40 Motherboard VRM Temp Test, Who Makes The Coolest Board?
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Who Makes The Coolest AMD TRX40 Motherboard? VRM Temp Test
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MSI learned their lesson after the last generation debacle
I wouldnt consider the MSI MEG X399 Creation a debacle - they showed back then that they still got it, if they really want.
Yeah I have msi pita
todays quote "but I do have eight TRX40 motherboards soo..."
😁. Yeah the casual way he said.
Suprised there are no duds. Good job all round
Crazy it's like Ryzen is getting some real support from the aibs for once.
@@railshot888 it's true. Especially given how powerful and power hungry they are
Given how expensive the CPUs are, it will be a real, big problem if there's a dud
I am sad that things working like they should is a surprise.
My problem is the cost for these cheap as can be designed made Taiwanese manufacturers. These Taiwanese companies make the cheapest and most un-reliable products. It's all the same parts from the same cheap companies made as cheaply as it can be made in TAIWAN. I wish someone would make a video about why Western society is so ignorant as to how they are being ripped off by letting these companies overprice this garbage. It's sad but it's all we have. All these companies are overcharging by wayy too much for these poorly designed and cheap components. Corsair, Gigabyte, MSI, Zotac, Asus, Biostar, Thermaltake, Asrock, etc is all just cheap crap that's overpriced. The failure rate at which these products fail is staggering. The failure rate goes up every year, yet no one complains about it and people just keep getting screwed... Realistically you should only pay 200$ for these boards in the review at the most. 850$ for a board like this?? The board only cost about 150$ to manufacture it at the most!!! In TAIWAN! They are literally charging WESTERN labor which the parts add up to maybe a 100$ for the highest end board listed!
I love when ASUS markets high-end platforms to gamers. Like who would buy them just for gaming??
Agreed. Even the 3950X is absolute overkill for gamers.
FDMtech more gpu can benefit the streamer more than an increase in core count
There *are* the few filthy well off gamers or custom loop watercooling enthusiasts that want to show off, but more than that, I think this is due to the "halo" effect of the extreme high-end products. They will give the brand recognition among people thinking of purchasing a much more reasonably priced product.
It's a bit like the fact that Nvidia has the 2080 Ti, that makes something like a 2060 Super more desirable.
Also, "Intel is always best for gaming" comes from the 9900K(S) and running low settings 1080p with a 2080 Ti for competitive settings, and ignores the fact that if you *do* want eye candy and don't run such high frame rates, the CPU selection matters a lot less (as long as it's "good enough" - a modern 6c/12t or 8c/8t).
ain't sure if streamer use TR series
8 /10 core plenty
@FDMtech Having 2 2080 TI's does make sense in one realistic (but rare) scenario. If your wife and you are both avid gamers and want high end 4k gaming. You can build 2 rigs with a 3900x and a TI each, costing 3.500 bucks. Or you pay 6k for a 3960x-based system, 2 2080 TI's, and run 2 separate Windows accounts in VirtualBox.
Premium platform. Premium power delivery and cooling.
Would expect nothing less on the TRX40 platform. Good to see from all the vendors.
I’d prefer people called it T-rex than TRX 😜
Adhi Suryana I was thinking the same. Especially with these price points.
Done and done, will be referring to it that way from now on.
Steve, I have always admired your work for this channel. It takes a lot of time to do these tests. I enjoyed hearing your ending comments about the quality of these boards. Thank you.
I never understand the "thumbs down" on these videos.
People will dislike a video for the same reason people see no comments and shout "first!"
It gives them a feeling that they have actually done something, "woo first dislike hee hee!!", To them its an easy achievement, Like they have made a difference while in the real world they will likely never do anything.
They don't realise that it is completely inconsequential and will be drowned out by other "dislikers" and the mass "likers" anyway rendering what they've done to nothing, but by then they've moved on to something else unaware.
Thank you for showing the VRM layouts.
Fantastic group review, thanks!
I bet with the 64 core beast there might be more significant differences in temperatures.
the 64 cores will be on a totally different chipset
@@jioele96 3990x on different socket than 3970x? Different socket for every different core count threadripper cpu?
@@jioele96 I don't think so, we are talking about AMD and not Intel, who release a new socket for every + in their 14nm process.
@@jioele96 what are you talking about?
@@Saigonas Different chipset maybe. f.e. the rumored TRX80.
Ohh. Those monsters. Beautiful.
Thanks for the great information
These boards can easily handle a 32 core behemoth - almost like they were designed to test the limits of the upcoming 3990x 64 core 128 thread colossus.
One intake fan and three exhaust fans? That’s a lot of negative pressure, no?
@walentaz wouldn't coolers choke?
Cases are open from many sides. Pressure doesn't do anything for cooling. It's the movement of the air over hot parts that matters.
@@ShamanKish yep, you need to be sure there are no hot air pockets, how much air get in and out is not really that important... we need airflow over hot components and someway to get it outside the case.
I gotta say, you guys do a great job and are very thorough compared to others. I know that this testing is time consuming. Thanks for the great content.
Great job from all manufacturers! 👍
I'm surprised how cool the VRMs stayed even with a decently overclocked 32-core Threadripper pegged at 100% for one full hour of Blender.
nice test, pc case fan layout a lil curious but good stuff, BZ would be proud!
I see someone got to you about calling the jumper a "sweater" so that our North American friends wouldn't get confused
Great review, and just what I've been waiting for. Thanks!
p.s. would really be interested in seeing thermal imaging for each MB, given they all appear to have fully capable VRM implementations. Perhaps it wouldn't really matter in real world usage, but if any were to reveal extreme local hot-spots that sensor readings alone can't uncover, that might be worth discussing. (At least for TR, given the huge investment required to build one of these beasts =)
Happy unboxing
I'm guessing your awesome coverage of this data for x570 mobos influenced the board manufacturers. Nice work!
True, the new Threadrippers and TRX40 mobo's are way out of my price range. But, I love Tech. So I'm always happy to see new bits and bobs.
I'd really like to know where the mythical RAM on their QVL lists are sold at...
3 dislikes before anyone could've finished the video. Salty Intel fanboys spotted
*userbenchmark staff
@@Maxtraxv3 I can't afford it, but not the reason to dislike -.-. I love watching videos on this channel
@@saghwteam what's the difference? :^)
Shintels are pathetic,
rubicon of equivalent evil is not crossed till AMD is dominating the market despite having shitty cpus, and was found bribing oems with billions to keep Intel out.
@@Maxtraxv3 how is that a reason to dislike?
The timing is unbelievable, I was just shopping for a trx40 board today!
@@lifemocker85 all of the ones available from my retailer of choice was covered.
This time it's "harbor unboxed" in the subtitles.
Watching this review on my $35 Raspberry pi 3b (non+) in all of 480p's glory
just use VLC instead of the web interface. It will bring you hardware decoding and 720p.
@@PainterVierax There's also an add-on for both Firefox and Chrome that will make TH-cam H264 for you. Search for h264ify for a couple of options.
@@johngamble5270 If he's on Linux (because why being on Windows with a weak ARM SoC?) the hardware acceleration for video decoding into browsers is not enabled with most GPUs. The only way is to use FFMPEG, Kodi or VLC.
"Team Up, Fight On" on a workstation board lol
Fight through your work day!
@@Hardwareunboxed I need to stay calm in my work day so better choose the AsRock Taichi for me ahahah
I have the MSI TRX-40 PRo 10G which is not here :( and that one does have a fan so I would love to see if it performs even better or worse
I like ur topic about motherboards vrms . I just bought msi b450 tomahawk max after watching ur comparison. Never bought any pc hardware without watching ur review of product. Keep it up bro.
What CPU did you pair it with and what's the cooling solution?
Make sure its not a V2 because msi switched out sinopower (not bad not great) mosfets for that niko fire starter shit!
(msi fan here, using an x99asli plus, just saying beware).
@@eldrintheweebcovers2k165 running ryzen 5 2600 with b450 tomahawk max & using stock cpu cooler with this setup because this processor runs cool. 3 120mm cabinet fans present in setup.
Perhaps gigabyte tweaked the stock switching frequency?
amazing man ! well dooooooooooooooooooooooooooone
I am writing this comment on an MSI CREATOR TRX40 and 3960X and I want to put your attention onto the heat pipe going from the CPU VRM heatsink to the Chipset fan. It has some sort of active cooling, too.
Nah not really, all boards have a fan on the chipset, it anything it's adding heat to the VRM section of the board.
They all ran perfectly fine vrm temps
You have my attention.
which ones still have u.2 or is that not a thing anymore ?
Lol, Asrock slapped what is basically a low end gpu cooler onto the Taichi's vrm. How much heat do they expect to dissipate from it?
pls include Power Consumption measurements for your boards.
Something like BIOS, Windows Idle.
In my Tests, I got double the power consumption in idle with my 2400G on the ASUS X370-F STrix compared to the MSI B450I. With the 3700X I have and the ASROCK X570 Steel Legend, the ASUS was on par with the Steel Legend and the older 1.4 or 1.5 BIOS. (and to my surprise the Steel Legend booted with the Ryzen 1700 with the Initial BIOS. But never again after a BIOS Flash).
Awesome, this what content creators need to make an informed purchase!
The link to the Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme is wrong! The link takes you to the Intel version
They probably changed the frequency that the VRMs were operating at if there was no change in voltage delivered to the CPU.
Good video.
im in love with these armored motherboard its a shame these designs are not available on ryzen and Intel mainstream CPU motherboards
It's pronounced "T-Rex 40", I will not accept arguments to the contrary
Lmao
TH-cam auto subtitles agree
I approve of this.
The ROG Strix dropped 6 degrees as well, from 59 to 53..thats 6 not 1?
At 3.20 Steve wonders about the 3990x and its power requirements assuming that it will be compatible with trx 40. Well it will probably not be. TRX 80 was also rumored and that is a tell tale sign of another platform probably with 8 channel memory like Epyc that's why the 8 in the name. Maybe they (AMD) know that 64 cores will choke so they will not repeat the same mistake as with the 2990WX.
Hey Steve, something's been on my mind and might be interesting for a vid; I'm noticing my @4.3ghz oc'd 3770k still averages the same average 4k FPS in Far Cry 5 & RDR2 than the fastest cpu's today with an RTX2070-- plays like a dream!! In most up-to quadcore loads I'm also not noticing a big performance gap so.. when will it actually be obsolete for power use?
PS: Asking becauses I'm also capturing up to 4k60 on this system with OBS and using Premiere daily while not feeling underpowered yet :/ honestly kinda surprised here
gaming at 4k the bottleneck is still GPU. Even a 2080ti can barely push frames at 4k.
GPU hardware still really isn't ready for 4k gaming, the only reason it's even a thing is the various interested parties started pushing it super hard to sell better GPU's since 1080p was easily attainable even at the low end years ago. So they start pushing it on everyone despite the minimal visible difference on 24-27" monitors.
Almost everything I've seen from reviews has said 1440p makes a reasonable difference but 4k is barely noticeable from 1440p at that size monitor.
@@uglyduckling81 Sorry but I have to disagree-- if you go overkill on the ultra settings even far cry 5 pushes 40-60fps here in 4k, it's highly playable and never "barely pushing frames" to me, sincerely. Don't go insane on the settings and literally any game including RDR2 is playable at 4k, above ps4 pro/xbone framerates.
I really don't get where the need for 144hz performance came from besides the most extreme CS:GO players, but what's considered "playable" is apparently geting redefined by it.
That wasn't the point I'm trying to make though.. I just wondered when my i7 will actually become obsolete.
what frame rates are you getting? you aren't getting as many frames as you could with a modern CPU, but if your happy with sub 60fps at 4k on new games thats fine
@@uglyduckling81 GPU's are very much ready for 4K60. It's only the absolute most demanding of games that bring GPU's to their knees at 4K + maxed settings, and even then you can simply adjust a few graphical settings in games like RDR2 and still get a far better looking 4K experience than the Xbox One X at twice the frame rate. 99.99% of PC games will run at 4K60 maxed out with a 2070. More and more people like myself also connect their PC's to large 4K TV's for gaming, where it's easy to see the difference in resolution. I was gaming at 2560x1600 back in 2008 on a 30" monitor and i'm not at all rich. It's pathetic that 1080p is still even a thing.
@trenteh I was blown away to see a little OC on that 2070 score above it's weight in 4k on the game charts here and Joker's/Jay's/etc. No microstutter, no pop-in. I do run oc'd (air), got mem with tight timings so that could help but as for 4k gaming I *REALLY* hope some of these guys test some more older-gen i7s to confirm. I got the card in advance expecting a need to replace everything else with it, but decided to hold off at least another year now.
(Still. here comes the *BUT:* just found out while I can capture 1440p60/4k30 and even 4k60 depending on the game, 60fps 4k timeline playback in premiere gets undoable after a couple layers & effects.)
What I learned a 3770k with a 2070 is still good for so far:
* PS3/360-emulation upscaled
* Capturing/editing/playback up to 4k60 if you don't go too crazy
* Every big game out there (so far) playable in 4k.
Besides the Asrock creator and Gigabyte extreme, the others can't fit 4 GPUs, which makes them sub-optimal for deep learning applications. Very disappointed with some of the design decisions.Why cram two PCIe 16x slots with not enough spacing between them?
Max LLC? You' know you're not supposed to do that right?
I will pick this up in 2022
MY 3800x does 4.55Ghz when it should only 4.5.
I'm fine with it, but it's on a MSI X370 SLI plus.
When people were complaining about too low boost all this time...
Just maybe 7 nm got a whole lot better in 6 month.
I really wish they'd release a Threadripper board with only 4 RAM slots. It's quad channel after-all so plenty of people are only going to populate half the slots.
That's save a MASSIVE amount of space and could improve CPU cooler compatability.
Weird request, but could you try a cheap bad-rated b450 board with 3950X and undervolt and clock it to the optimal range. 4GHz 1,2V should be much lower than on stock and performance difference is less than 10% while power consumption difference is much larger.
Perhaps it has been explained before but do you really need an entire hour for things to heat up? If you can find out the heat capacity and mass of the VRM + cooling solution you can make a estimate how long it takes to reach top temperatures. For an alu heatsink of 100 gram it takes about 5 minutes to heat up with 50 degree C when blasted with 20W of heat.
Or you could just check every minute during the benchmark and take notes :P
wow lol building this new thread ripper PC I can see need some extream case airflow
Steve you know what i see with the "Active Cooling"dust dust and more dust.I got dust filters on my 5 fans only gpu doesn't have and gpu's dust heaven.You will not get dust filters for that size so have to blow dust out every2/3 weeks = no thanks.
I have the Aorus Master and have been happy with it. 3960X
Nice!
If this info says anything to me, it's that these boards are designed to handle more than 32 cores :)
that tropical north joke I took home to Ireland lol they don't get it here lol
Wish you had the Gigabyte Aorus TRX40 Pro WiFi because i'll be getting that. Seems like the best "cheaper" board. It has very similar cooling to the Aorus Master but a 12+2 VRM. So i'm assuming it _should_ perform as good (or better) with temperatures being as i'll be using the 24 core 3960X. I hope you do more vids on this platform, although I realise a lot of your viewers probably wont be in the same boat as me.
@@lifemocker85 Are you getting one? The Gigabyte Aorus Pro Wifi and the Asus Prime are roughly the same here in the UK (around £400). Both these boards are well spec'd and have everything I need, so i'm going with the Gigabyte simply because it looks nicer... Or I might pay a little extra (£70) a get the Asus ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming because it's sexy and has tons of USB 3.2 ports...
MSI always gives off the chinese knockoff vibes when it comes to their marketing, its basically their specialty.
Asus does same.
@@NovaDoll Yes they do.
ASRock TRX40 Creator seems the most attractive. Cheap(er) price with packed with so many useful features and the temperature is still very good despite being the hottest.
I wish you had the cheapest TRX board the Gigabyte PRO, i kinda wish to see how it, my personal choice was asus
As far as X570 motherboards were quite exotic from low-end to high-end, the T-REX40 motherboards seems to be quite straight to the point whatever the price point...
Still none of them are available on my side of the world though lol
I am pleased that there’s no garbage tier VRMs. There’s something bugging me though. I hate all these little fans for both X570 and TRX40. If it was a standardized size like 40mm you could at least have the prospect of replacing a dead fan with some 40mm noctua. But nope we have to have aesthetically pleasing tiny gpu style fans with weird sizes and no obvious mounting hardware like screws, they’re just.... fused into a motherboard that costs hundreds of times the value of the fan.
I dunno the ASUS PRIME X570-P
seems like the best low cost option for X570 too, also I know that ASUS's X370 Prime was also another good budget board. Honestly with AMD they have to my knowledge had a pretty long track record of decent budget boards.
No duds because they're scared of you, mate. Well done!
Dang, you didn't benchmark the AORUS Wifi Pro, I would have! :O
Why didn't you then :P
HI! yes I was thinking exactly that it's uncanny :O
It's not "tea are ex for tea" it's "T-Rex 40" for the name of the socket !
I guess I'm gonna sell my gpu and soul for one of these motherboards
All that stuff.
Using this data, Do you think these boards would be able to handle 3990X at 4 gHz?
@@lifemocker85 If 3970X has 4 chiplet, the 3990X would have 4 more of those.
And it's basically Epyc 7742 but with higher TDP and clock freq.
The PCIE lane and memory channel still didn't clear though, especially with the rumoured new TRX80/WRX80 chipset.
Although the prices are up there for these boards, just be thankful they don't have a sticker of a piece of fruit on them, that alone would add $1,000 to the base cost.
Is it even possible to cool a cpu running hard enough to stress the VRMs? At 1.3v those 16x70A boards are rated for 1456W. If you go even higher to 1.4v, you can hit 2 kilowatts with 16*90A.
Darn, The one board I was most hoping to see tested wasn't in here (Gigabyte Pro Wifi) it's over $100 AUD cheaper than the entry level asus board, with a 12 phase vrm.
These boards are beasts and I have come to realize that for me personally, there's no reason to go above the x399 platform. Gen 3 TR is definitely more for professionals and less for the consumer, which is fine. Thanks for the video
MSI looks to best and the coolest of all the Trx40. I’m starting to change my outlook on MSI for the better!
At $400 plus you should be able to close your eyes and choose a board. In an idle world only it seems.
Well I'd use my previous 500$ board but x399 is not compatible. : (
I was really waiting for this review, and although what AMD it's doing with the new processors is amazing, it is useless if you can't get one, out of stock everywhere since released... Ryzen 4 will get announced and top Ryzen 3 processors will still be out of stock.
I am building a 3970x pc after christmas so I am the 1 in 1000 people who are actually watching for the information xD thank you for making this video! :D
None of them are duds because they're afraid of you reviewing them 😉🤣 . I doubt they want to be called out again (X570) for poor thermal performance.
Hello
big fan of yr work!
could you review the latest Gigabyte AORUS FI27Q-P
8:25 "There 's no real finned heatsinks here, and the heatsinks that are included aren't exactly huge. But Asrock has cut some fins into the heatsinks"
What. Horrizontal fins are still fins. And this horrizontal design was used by MSI on a lot of their boards as well and it works great so I'm not sure what the implication here is.
A few cut out fins in a block aren't exactly comparable to real finned heatsinks. Surely you can see the difference.
@@Hardwareunboxed He hasn't seen Buildzoid's hour-long rants on VRM heatsinks :P
I'm never going to be able to afford these.... Still watching the video haha
Wow.......
Don't mind me just helping the YT algorithms.
There's a weird bass hum in the beginning.
Can't hear it.
@@Hardwareunboxed It's very subtle and only during the first 30 seconds or so. Probably wouldn't hear it without headphones either. I might get around to doing an FFT of the section.
Do you know if anyone makes any after market VRM heatsinks?
@@lifemocker85 I'm lucky in that my Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 wi-fi has Proper heatsinks on it. Even with a 3900x sitting on it the VRM's never go above 45c
@@lifemocker85 agreed, I decided on that one after looking at all the reports. I didn't want to risk going for a bad x570 board, not that the decent ones are affordable anyway
@@lifemocker85 But their specs are Way down on the Gigabyte x470. Yes they have the PCI gen 4 and that's about their Only advantage in that price range. Seeing as I'm not interested as yet in PCI gen 4, a x570 would need to offer at Least the same other specs as the Gigabyte x470, which then means 300 plus
@@lifemocker85 there VRMs do you mean
@@lifemocker85 Talking about the 'peripherals' wi-fi, # of sata ports, how many USB on the I/O, that sort of thing
It's sad that Msi drops the "Creation" design. Personally I think the X399/X299 Creation are the best looking motherboards even made. Sadly they doesn't carry the desgin to TRX40. The new Creator looks alright, "professinal", or in other word, nomal. I expect more from a board over 600$. Why a workstation can't look good?
It's a shame there is no GIGABYTE TRX40 AORUS PRO in this test.
At 400$ it's a cheapest TRX4 motherboard, just 50 more than top VRM am4 boards.
I don't really care about VRM performance, I'm buying one of these as a wall decoration.
Which one? I'd pick the Taichi. 😍 Yea, I'm a sucker for steampunk aesthetics. 😋
Question? Will the Corsair 1000D house the Gigabyte TRX40 Arous Extreme
1000D Should fit it, because Aorus Extreme should fit in any case with 8 expansion slots and as far as i know 1000D has 8. Gigabyte website says 32.5 x 27.5cm, so it is not a full 34.5cm XL-ATX - it's only 2cm longer (aka 1 expansion slot) than a TX/ E-ATX.
And for Width is nothing special, 27.5 cm is just like any other E-ATX board.
But is funny how Corsair made such a big case with only 8 expansion slots when even the 750D or 780T have 9.
My Aerocool case has 10.
@@dier2tte thank just to touch on the case slots, i think corsair made the case the way it is so that there is alot of room for thick radiators with the fans on both side. it would have been nice if they had made it take more card slot or much larger board so one could put in a server board in there if they wish with that amount of space.
gentoo ports
Only if I have the money......
Republic of GAMERS
Because gamers want a HEDT for gaming and maximum perfomance!!
😎
Didn't ROG boards start on the extreme platforms ? Pretty sure we only got mainstream chipset ROG stuff years later.
Wow, Mobo and 3960X gonna set you back 2K after tax in most places :O
Meanwhile a 3950x and a $199 x570 can be had for $950 if you're lucky.
@@BodethIII its good value -- but its still a LOT of money
Not a fan of small fans on motherboards. You've already dropped half a grand, what's it going to cost to add some better sinking? 10 bucks?