DCS AI is almost as good as 33 year old sim

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
  • 00:00 - Falcon 3.0 Fight 1
    01:38 - DCS F-16 vs F-16
    02:51 - WHY
    03:06 - Falcon 3.0 AI can reverse turns and try to use vertical
    04:28 - I bully a F-5 in DCS

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  • @paulmoran2437
    @paulmoran2437 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    To be fair though, the DCS AI is intelligent enough to know it doesn't want to exist inside DCS.

    • @jasonforsyth5015
      @jasonforsyth5015 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      You win the internet! LOL

  • @WolfyBoi7521
    @WolfyBoi7521 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    But hey man, did you see that they are innovating by selling Afganistán in parts? That beats AI, Dynamic campaign and all of the other stuff we've been asking for, right?

    • @FalconAC
      @FalconAC 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It's a good sim but a bad game.

    • @liamoneal7643
      @liamoneal7643 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@FalconAC its not even a good sim. its literally realistic warthunder but with clicky buttons

    • @rainonwires
      @rainonwires 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@liamoneal7643lol what

    • @liamoneal7643
      @liamoneal7643 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@rainonwiresit’s realistic warthunder. but with clicks buttons and more modeled interior. radars sucks missiles suck ai sucks ground ai sucks

    • @KrustentierBarbier
      @KrustentierBarbier 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@liamoneal7643 Just look at how only countermeasures are accounted for that got released AFTER a missile left the rail. There is literally zero use to dropping flares beforehand, they are 100% ignored. And if you dig through all these nice files in the DCS folders, you soon realize just how simple most systems are. I really hope for a great Falcon 5 and people modding the heck out of it.

  • @Daimo83
    @Daimo83 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Best part about DCS AI is ground unit guns are lasers because they can't code different aiming ability.

  • @Ramash440
    @Ramash440 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Buying a full fidelity sim at DCS' prices is like buying a muscle car in a place with no roads.

    • @Wizzar_sillymus
      @Wizzar_sillymus 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      multiplayer...

    • @liamoneal7643
      @liamoneal7643 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Wizzar_sillymus sucks desync rampant and even then all you have to do is aoa roll and everything misses you

    • @brianlee129
      @brianlee129 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You don't buy DCS. ONLY MODULES.

    • @BarManFesteiro
      @BarManFesteiro 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@liamoneal7643 cant even play MP anymore because the new UI bricks the game on full servers lol

    • @liamoneal7643
      @liamoneal7643 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BarManFesteiro sounds about right

  • @BH-ro4ly
    @BH-ro4ly หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Yeah..... the DCS AI needs a complete overhaul. Once you play the game for ages you notice patterns in the AI and it becomes easy to trick them.

    • @defenderbwe
      @defenderbwe หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It needs a overhaul for more then a decade now..

    • @rikkisan1
      @rikkisan1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah it's great if you're its your first time and you need some target practice to test out flying but after around 10 sorties yeah you learn its basic tricks.

    • @kwesiles3152
      @kwesiles3152 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This applies to any game...

    • @nobstompah4850
      @nobstompah4850 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it makes me not want to play MP because it makes for horrible BFM training. sometimes it just taps out, even if it's a loaded Su-27 or something. not much fun, kicking puppies

    • @BH-ro4ly
      @BH-ro4ly 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@nobstompah4850 play growling then, not pve. contention is another good one.

  • @OrlandoDibiskitt
    @OrlandoDibiskitt หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I always found that the DCS AI varies wildly from plane to plane. For example, the AI F5 is like a UFO with perfect energy management. (at least last time I tried).

    • @Duchovicius1983
      @Duchovicius1983 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Every dcs AI acts like that. Fighting against AI MiG-21 (even Rookie, doesnt matter) is a nightmare😮

  • @therocinante3443
    @therocinante3443 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    DCS is a Toyota Camry with a Ferarri body on it. Falcon BMS is a Ferarri engine with a Toyota Camry's body on it.

  • @Duvstep910
    @Duvstep910 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    remember a whole video exists based off falcon 3 called 'the art of the kill'

  • @FalconAC
    @FalconAC 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Are you planning to take the series a step further with Falcon AT?
    how far back in time do we need to go for DCS to win.

    • @paulmoran2437
      @paulmoran2437 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Apple two?

    • @powerwise234
      @powerwise234 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      MiG-29: Soviet Fighter.

  • @lukliska8314
    @lukliska8314 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    These Falcon 3.0/MiG addon AIs are much better on ace level, than showed on the video. That F-16 was very lazy...looked like it has not set proper combat waypoint as CAP, SWEEP or ESCORT....Falcon 3.0 has very good AI, pulling hard and using many maneuvers..

  • @cesarferrolho1647
    @cesarferrolho1647 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    That's not the bad part... the trouble is, for instance, landing on a carrier after asking permission and all that, and just after you land, some AI aircraft decides to land at the same time, right behind you and hits you

    • @fonesrphunny7242
      @fonesrphunny7242 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Create yourself an A-10 flight with one wingman, set to "runway start". The AI will attempt to TO in formation with you, until you lift off.
      As soon as you're airborne, the AI sees the runway as clear and moves over to the center, completely ignoring you. And because physics don't really apply to AI, it's going to ram you from behind, unless you immediately turn away.

    • @cesarferrolho1647
      @cesarferrolho1647 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@fonesrphunny7242 i'm sure there are lots of examples. I've had trouble with wingman too, with the F-16 module

  • @2BachShakur
    @2BachShakur 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    After the fiasco with Razbam, I’ve complete lost faith in DCS and its devs.

  • @wardog2517
    @wardog2517 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    1991 does not feel like 33 years ago…

    • @Gremlinke96
      @Gremlinke96 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I cri everytiem

  • @vincebagadonis8016
    @vincebagadonis8016 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You're on a roll with this stuff i see!

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@vincebagadonis8016 last one haha. Beating a dead horse

    • @paulmoran2437
      @paulmoran2437 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@andrewa837it's interesting to see

  • @b3rno
    @b3rno 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Now... Try your luck dogfigthing in Falcon BMS ;)

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      An A-10 on Ace is insane.

  • @Netbug
    @Netbug หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yeah, I have tried to get gun kills in the A-10 many times and often the AI would just fly into the trees after a few bursts that missed.

  • @powerwise234
    @powerwise234 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What are your views on air-to-ground combat in DCS, for example with the A-10 module?

  • @evandoerofthings6538
    @evandoerofthings6538 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Watching your previous video prompted me to do a little testing of the warthunder bots and made a small video about them. :)

  • @gtdcoder
    @gtdcoder หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In Falcon 3.0, I always used the padlock view which makes it very easy to track enemies and stay heads-up.

    • @stefanocspt6732
      @stefanocspt6732 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, padlock view gives some very useful information to stay inside the flight envelope and safe attitude

  • @timtams5283
    @timtams5283 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He ran out of fuel XD

  • @jakobole
    @jakobole 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also, in BVR, they know exactly who has been targeted if in a flight oof +1

  • @paulatreides9096
    @paulatreides9096 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thoughts on Il-2 Ai? Ik its not really a Jet fighter game but still curious about your take on it

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don't have much WW2 sim experience, unfortunately never got into IL2. But the new Korea thing looks awesome!

  • @SpeedFireARL
    @SpeedFireARL 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    а это какой уровень врагов? раньше в горячих скалах и дкс была возможность выставлять уровень навыков ботов.

  • @randyreal5871
    @randyreal5871 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've seen this in warbirds I always assumed they blew the engine lol now I'll watch the track a bit closer

  • @speedkiller3026
    @speedkiller3026 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think that was supposed to be a feature one day that the AI can mess up and fly into terrain but that it does that on ACE difficulty is kind of silly

    • @fonesrphunny7242
      @fonesrphunny7242 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The AI has no understanding of terrain or other obstacles, unless it's right in front of them. It's very apparent when you look at NOE helicopters or ground attack planes near mountains.
      It's been an issue in Flanker, in LOMAC and it's still present in DCS. It's most certainly not a feature.

  • @mtthyw
    @mtthyw 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    please keep making 90s flight sim videos

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mtthyw keep an eye out this week 😉

  • @SchwardsChannel
    @SchwardsChannel 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Try Su-27 Flanker, great grandpa of DCS and its have good AI for 1995

  • @muhammadsaleh7229
    @muhammadsaleh7229 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now i want you to play lock on modern air combay and check its AI

  • @youssefidbella5979
    @youssefidbella5979 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ACE AI in BMS ambushes you as well this just happened to me minutes ago 🤣🤣

  • @mintman825
    @mintman825 หลายเดือนก่อน

    should try the fishbed, mirage f1M and the hornet

  • @TSHKKRipper
    @TSHKKRipper หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hahaha 😂. Whenever I say DCS cannot be worse, it will be proven worse.

  • @noivern8869
    @noivern8869 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Kind of unfair to compare a military jet sim with a cockpit simulator

  • @chefmannnn
    @chefmannnn หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    You're not really making valid points with these videos.
    ED already said there's an AI update coming.
    Oh wait, it's for Ground AI. Nevermind.

    • @NuclearFalcon146
      @NuclearFalcon146 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To be fair the ground AI also needs work and they have to start somewhere. Fair to question which to fix first, though.

    • @wrmusic8736
      @wrmusic8736 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      that update for Ground AI is probably around 2026 or so. Then by 2030 they may start working on air AI. Meanwhile please buy a dozen of unfinished modules that will never get finished.

    • @Tattlebot
      @Tattlebot 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wrmusic8736 You can't write down core improvements as revenue.

  • @robertwallace4515
    @robertwallace4515 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Who eles is excited for bms 4.38?

  • @MarcinP2
    @MarcinP2 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I played a lot of old fighter sims, like Falcon or Strike Fighters Project and the bandits will do perfectly timed reversals. They do a fine job pretending to be a decent pilot.
    A human can do those by predicting but AI just sees you straight on their 6 o clock (even if plane should not allow it). It never bothered me as the result is the same - no easy kills.
    I suspect DCS has realistic cone of vision obstruction but they did not code the prediction to make up for it.

  • @NuclearFalcon146
    @NuclearFalcon146 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always found Falcon 3's padlock to be disorienting so I used the external tracking view instead (Could just be because I was about 9-10 years old at the time). Somehow I remember this even after 30 years. Also if I could figure out that mission editor (as a CHILD) then you could, too.

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@NuclearFalcon146 I never tried making my own mission for falcon 3. But never really had to. There's so many out of the box. Yeah the padlock is really weird especially when the plane is under the HUD, it will fake project the HUD below you too.

  • @12345fowler
    @12345fowler 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember the AI in Flanker 1.5 was pretty good, i.e. you had mor ethan a fait chance to splash bogeys left and right.

  • @Wizzar_sillymus
    @Wizzar_sillymus 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think ED doesnt prioritize AI because people mainly play MP PvP and use singleplayer for target practice and learning new aircraft. I still think they should update the AI (my potato canot handle MP)

  • @johnselden9257
    @johnselden9257 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yep…it’s time for ED to update their AI.

  • @nikolapatrcevic5489
    @nikolapatrcevic5489 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder how much the average dcs user account is worth...
    Tbh, some scripted multiplayer ai are brutal - try shadow reapers for example

  • @mysteriumxarxes3990
    @mysteriumxarxes3990 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looks like nova logic's mig 29 fulcrum

  • @margelatul2001
    @margelatul2001 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dcs on top 💯💯💯

  • @Duchovicius1983
    @Duchovicius1983 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Crashes in DCS happen very often. AI is weird. Once wjen flying on F-15C I fought MiG-21 on Rookie and ... I lost. After more than 10 minute fight I lost too much speed, too much altitude and got hit by R-60...
    Some other I fought F-16 while flying on MiG-15 and I won. 😅

    • @noivern8869
      @noivern8869 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you Vietnamese?

  • @av812bbbb
    @av812bbbb หลายเดือนก่อน

    as a somewhat new and terrible dcs player i say the ai is god like

    • @hollandicus_missile
      @hollandicus_missile หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would argue with that
      As I am also a new dcs player that's started less than 2 weeks ago

    • @av812bbbb
      @av812bbbb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hollandicus_missile yea but im terrible at the game

    • @hollandicus_missile
      @hollandicus_missile หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@av812bbbb damn, what are you flying?

    • @av812bbbb
      @av812bbbb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hollandicus_missile An mi-8 lol

    • @hollandicus_missile
      @hollandicus_missile หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@av812bbbb oh a chopper, that maybe is why you think so, cause i wouldnt know how it feels flying a rotary
      also i guess if youre new and like me this is currently the only thing you know how to really fly?
      i know only how to fly the f15c which is why the ai feels ok to me
      although i am planning to buy the f14 soon

  • @Starmast3rmusic
    @Starmast3rmusic หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:57 oof

  • @dimitridimitrescu5476
    @dimitridimitrescu5476 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DCS hate is low hanging fruit

  • @taccntb4345
    @taccntb4345 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The DEVs are shitty? I wont buy.

  • @Ironwulf2000
    @Ironwulf2000 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So you compare MiG29 vs F-16 to F-16 vs F-16 and F-16 vs MiG-29 to F-16 vs F-5.
    If you’re comparing simulators then you should run direct comparisons.

  • @rodneynoble6046
    @rodneynoble6046 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still a videogame at the end of the day and games were made waaaaay harder back then, partly to compensate for being so short. Once they started pumping millions into games did they start to make them beatable.

    • @andrewa837
      @andrewa837  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Falcon 4.0 has a 5 day dynamic campaign, Falcon 3.0 has three planes and like 10 theaters campaigns red flag.... DCS cries to think about it

    • @nobstompah4850
      @nobstompah4850 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andrewa837 hopefully the apparent resurrection of the Falcon series can smack DCS upside the head. Granted, all the mission planning features might scare away most DCS players; but at the same time, maybe not with a 21st-century UI

  • @dealwolfstriked272
    @dealwolfstriked272 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DCS is a strange game no doubt! I love Wings over Flanders field because I boot it up and I am placed on a field with my squad mates and we fire up the engines and go. Yes the FM is sucky but the way you just get in a plane and start engines and then have to fly patrol missions with random generated enemies.....it baffles me to no end that DCS cant even do this. WOFF does not have a dynamic campaign and its still amazing. DCS or rather ED are not capable of even a random patrol generator? Click campaign and it just auto generates missions over and over and be random? I mean how "EDIT" easy is this compared to creating an actual dynamic campaign? Anyway not to shit on DCS cause its great at systems but my good God it sucks at immersion and that makes me sad.

  • @abecadloabc1
    @abecadloabc1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Total air war F-22 jest lepsze

  • @markingraham4892
    @markingraham4892 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No aircraft has pulled 7g for two seconds. I personally destroyed the DCS forum mods which caused the developers to leave in early 2023. Core DCS development has been stalled for over a year solely due to my arguments against the DCS developers.