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The Insulting Clericalism of Traditionis Custodes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2024
- The insulting implication of Traditionis Custodes that Catholics who like the old Mass do so because they are stupid.
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They want unity with us Orthodox, but do not respect tradition as we do. The old Latin Mass is a recognizable Orthodox Liturgy
Guess there won’t be any unity any time soon then. All according to plan on the part of the entryists, I am sure.
I guess that is a part of the plan too. The Church has a small problem with entryism. We‘ve seen a lot of evidence for that now.
But he is even destroying papal supremacy for you. Haven't you heard how much he pushes synodality?
He doesn’t want actual unity; he just wants to empty the papacy of anything that offends schismatics. However, the Pope’s authority is dogmatically defined, and it is thus heresy to deny it, no matter who you are.
My entire early life was at the onset of Novus Ordo, but was blessed with the Traditional Baptism in 1960 and maybe first Communion in 1965-66.
By 1974, formation in NO was lukewarm. 47 years later, after ceasing active participation in the sacraments and mass, I was guided by Our Lady to learn the Rosary in Latin, then attending a TLM chapel 3 months later. I have realized that I am not holy enough to endure the NO modernism and need the true Mass of the Ages, liturgy and sacraments.
+JMJ "I am not holy enough to endure the NO modernism and need the true Mass of the Ages." That is an inspired statement. Wow. So beautiful. I so relate to your story. I feel so gypped by 50 years of NO in denial about its irreverence, dissonance, chaos, utter banality and inanity. I thank God every day for directing me to the TLM which has been smeared since 1970. I attended the Mass of the Ages with my parents. The year I became an altar boy the Mass switched to English and to ad populum. After that I overlooked many liturgical abuses thinking that was what you were supposed to do (thanks to horrible catechism) In retrospect I see how the NO damaged my relationship with God and the Blessed Mother. In the TLM it's OK to be Catholic: celebrate the seasons, pray the Rosary, go to Confession every day if you like. Thanks be to God, the TLM is saving me. Your note is a sign of faith, hope and love. Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum!
Thank you for this reflection ! I agree with you totally ! You are very clear about Pope Francis and his Buddies doing everything that they can to stop the TLM ! Blessings to you from Michigan
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sad sad sad. this papacy is ignorant of what true enlightenment is. sad sad sad.
Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi. 99% Catholics don’t get this.
They may not understand Latin, but they certainly understand the English translation. Are we supposed to be impressed that you may know some Latin?
@@sophiachavez3377 You missed the point.
@@sophiachavez3377It’s not about understanding Latin (although one can learn). The NO has been gutted of mystery, reverence, sense of the sacred, and absolutely 0 moments of silence in which to actually pray. The actions within the liturgy do not communicate the realities, and this is why most who attend the NO don’t believe in the real presence. Why would they when the entire experience says otherwise
The irony is that the V2 council wanted an informed and inspired laity.....so if you dont leave straight away after confirmation as most do and you are staying in the Curch and you start to study you find the greatest treasure of the church was defaced beyond recognition in both function and form. Once you have discovered the pre 1970 liturgy and sacraments, you realise the fracture that happened with the one thousand nine hundred and seventy years of faith and practice. Like most of us who grew up knowing no better, it is shocking and distressing to see the degradation to the point that 7 out of 10 do not believe in the real presence
I'm sure Jorge would, if he could, send Traditional Roman Catholics to a Bergoglian 're-education camp'.
'war is peace' 'freedom is slavery' 'ignorance is strength' - thanks Jorge!
A local RC priest has introduced the TLM once a week in a weekday and tries to make the N.O. Masses more reverent, of course he is coming up against opposition.
sound more like a communist re education.
And blesphemy is reverance
You're hypocrisy is touching. The Lord forgive you
I grew up with the Novus Ordo but I love the Traditional Latin Mass. When I started to asist at TLMs in the late 1990, I never attended Novus Ordo. It is but proper to be solemn in our worship. The Marian missal is really a big help to me for.my spiritual maturity as a Catholic. I'm just so grateful to be born in a Catholic family.
Amen, I was 12 years old when they took the Mass from us the first time.
i was 17. At first, it was exciting, bt it didn't take long til most Catholics trying to swallow all the changes had an incurable case of indigestion.
@@erikriza7165 Yes we didn't know what happened and what was going on
@@EricJMJ-ln9dx a lot of good people were very hurt in those years. The dictators who called themselves "liberal" carried the day, and they were mean and contemptuous to anyone who did not jump on their bandwagon.
@@erikriza7165 Thank you, God bless!
@@EricJMJ-ln9dx Thank you to you too. And God bless you muchly.
LORD, PROTECT YOUR CHURCH FROM ALL THESE JUDES TRYING TO RUIN OUR FAITH!!! 🙏😢💔
As long as Francis is against what I do, what Mass I attend or how I pray, I know I am on the path to heaven.
We Catholics have thousands of years of holy andorthodox teaching to fall back on. We have countless generations of holy men and women to look to. So we lose virtually nothing but confusion and error by ignoring Francis's silliness.
Modern priests generally don't even consider reverence a matter worth talking about.
Most priests ordained for the past 15-20 years do want reverence. Of course, they are a disdained minority in most places, and their older priestly “brethren” are quite happy to see how they are being afflicted these days.
Quo Primum is binding until Christ returns. Pope Benedict 16 didn’t need to put out his motto-proprio, he just needs to reference what Pope Saint Pius V codified!
It’s really not. A pope cannot tie the hands of his successors in a matter that he was competent to legislate on and I wish people would stop acting like some Baroque papal legal boilerplate turns a rather mundane document into some sort of divine law dropped from heaven. There are such better arguments rather than, “Muh Quo primum…”
Yeah… there’s nothing a Pope can do that cannot be undone by his successors. Unless you’re a sede. Then whatever
@@christophersalinas2722 false, the Papal oath of coronation says opposite
@@CDave1972 please show the papal oath text that says “i can’t change Quo Primum”
The novel had decades to develop and bear fruit. Failures.
Drawing the distinction between Benedict thinking of our love for the TLM eminating from having found something , as opposed the the thought of Francis that we somehow lacked something was very insightful. Bravo. You earned a sub for that. Pax
emanating, not eminating
While Benedict XVI still was pope I predicted that his successor would have to be a Modernist because he would have to be the first pope ordained in the reformed [i.e. protestant-ized] liturgy. It accommodates the secular culture rather than being a bulwark against such depravity. This protestant communion service [aka Novus ordo mass] is so far removed from the Catholic faith, that even a huge number of priests lost the faith. This explains the explosion of clerical sex abuse, primarily among those ordained in the 1970s and early 1980s (according to study by John Jay College of Criminal Justice)
bergoglio lost me at worshiping a pachumama 🦧 at the Vatican.
They didn’t worship and Pacha at the Vatican, you are delusional and easily led by others.
@michaelspeyrer1264 Dear sheepoel, it was broadcast around the world.
Same here. I still cant comprehand how people let this slip. It is no thing other then demon worship
Wow that Michael guy was "reegucate" prety well. Denis the plain thrugh.
It started with John 23 and each pope was worse than the previous one
You are a delusional schismatic.
Marxist Progressivism became the dominant lens through which to see the world and the church long before the council. It influenced the council (usually because the schema writers and periti were already on board, with their work foisted on the bishops); afterward, it was the hallmark of the 'reform' of the liturgy and the theology attached to it. Remember C. Roche has already said the new mass has a new theology to go with it; it's heart is Marxist Progressivism, where things old and passed down are seen as irrelevant to the brave new world.
The abusive father wants to divide and deceive the children about their grandparents, their aunts, their uncles, their cousins and family friends - the abusive father wants to peddle his bad dark agenda that everything he says is new and fresh and good, when the children can see he is a liar and is pitiful. It is never a good ending.
The damaged children continue to pray for their father, despite his rejections.
I was in a rather solid diocesan seminary during the reign of Benedict XVI when Summorum pontificum was issued. This was also probably the highest point of the “Reform of the Reform” movement. The most dedicatedly NO staff of this seminary, academics all, not just people with strident opinions, still could never come up with stronger arguments for the “richness” of the NO than 1) Because the powers that be since 1969 say so, 2) it’s closer to the liturgy as described by St. Justin Martyr and various other spurious appeals to the assumed practices of the Early Church and 3) it’s got more readings ergo, it’s richer.
Obviously 1 is just an appeal to authority which is fine for establishing its validity and liceity at a diocesan seminary in which no one questioned that anyway, thus is irrelevant and not applicable for “richness”.
2 is the only potentially weighty one but if one really studies the Fathers and the earliest extant liturgical texts, one quickly sees that what was often asserted by the scholars around the Vatican II era were just that-assertions based on assumptions that cannot be proven without basically traveling back in time. The thesis that Versus populum (for the sake of actually intentionally facing the people and not facing literal East as an accident of architectural realities and such) is an ancient practice has been roundly discredited-even before Vatican II so it was made a “pastoral” necessity. The whole of the pseudo-Hippolytan corpus that was hammered on as a justification for other Canons in the Latin Rite besides the Roman Canon and for the whole scale revamping of the rite for episcopal consecration/ordination is admitted even by “progressives” as having nothing to do with Hippolytus and its most likely much later and Syriac, not Roman at all. Whomp, whomp. One can multiply examples here, but the point is that the NO is a pastiche of things, including archaeological texts of dubious usage and unclear lineage, to neo-Gallican texts and of course new compositions or major reorderings of older texts with only a comparatively small percentage of what was historically considered as coming from the Roman Rite. An academic pipe dream and product of committee rarely results in something satisfactory to all members of the committee let alone wider circles and the NO is no exception.
The NO does indeed have “more” scripture but the lectionary is a bloated mess that lost most of the thematic and historical connections of the older lectionary. I supposed if by “richness” one means by that a glut, ok…
Anything at a parish level is going to be basically these three points but even more unsatisfactory as it’s watered down for general consumption.
excellent video, well articulated. the only thing I would add is a call to action- how to be vocal, how to be involved, how to write to bishops.
If those of you who have been questioning this pope’s actions which do not match his words and/or the contradictory things he does would just research hispanic culture, you wouldn’t waste your time asking silly questions. My only question is does the combination of his Italian heritage and hispanic nationality make him worse?
They're able to go after traditionalists, because traditionalists take obedience seriously.
Such corruption and really blind obedience of conservatives “Rome always knows best etc”. “Church knows best” etc is to blame sadly. Sin of pride
Not "conservatives."
Yes,
Could a new Pope change all of this? Could he reinstate the TLM in EVERY parish?
Yes. And his successor could make a new NO, and then his successor could bring back the TLM, etc etc. Part of being Catholic is accepting the authority of the Pope of any time
Another great video.
I was received into the Church twenty-five years ago, and started attending the Latin Mass fifteen years ago. My spiritual life took a quantum leap, until it was taken away from me from Francis & Co. I want to receive the Blessed Sacrament, so I returned to the Novus Ordo. Do I like it? Absolutely not.Do I take Pope Francis seriously? No, not at all. In fact, I believe he’s twisted, and getting worse as he approaches the end of his pontificate and his life. In short he can take his synodality and jam it up his left nostril, or some other imaginative place.
Great video
Would they "reegucate" Tomas Aquintus?
Summorum Pontificum ONLY ALLOWED the Latin mass if the Pauline one was fully recognized by Catholics - read the words. Also, Benedict did actually want a hybridization of the Mass. You have not read Benedict XVI fully. He was always a liberal modernist.
I am not in a position to attend a Latin mass, but I took Latin in high school in the 1960s; right during Vatican 2. Now, I was actually in favor of a vernacular mass, but was very disappointed in the lousy translations.
I don’t mind some or even most of Mass being in a vernacular but the Mass itself shouldn’t have been changed. If one takes something like the hand missal translations or the Anglo-Catholic English Missal, the so-called “Tridentine” Mass is there in most of its splendor.
There's a lot of siblence on your vocal. Probably to much on between 15,000-20,000Hrz. It's a little piercing to the ears.
But Summorum was but a stop-gap, so Francis is only fulfilling the wishes of Benedict. Summorum was for the nostalgic; once the nostalgie is finished, we would celebrate only the 'ordinary' form of the Mass.
And there’s Grillo Man flipping us the Bird in your title picture.
5:21 Ecclesia Dei 'Eucharista' Lol
Ecclesia de Eucharistia (www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_20030417_eccl-de-euch.html)
NO is BS
From the word go in this video it appeared to be jusy spoiling for a fight and finding insults even where quite difficult to do so, or perhaps with enough practice it's never difficult. I love the Latin, Extraordinary Form of the Mass & the NO liturgy Vatican II had every jurisdiction & right to adopt. The arguments that was not so have sometimes been utterly spurious but even at best have been plausible apologetics not doctrinal absolutes. Refusal to accept the default acceptance of the magisterium's rule on the guidance of the Holy Spirit & of their vows of obedience pride insisted that their own spirit dictate instead as to who is or is not the Pope.
The vicious cycle of hostility succeeded by antagonism to the magesterium and to the last 3 popes and to any attempt to engage (other than actually saying ok you be Pope instead) has lead to reprimands, cautious efforts to open up more latin masses with clergy who were hostile & at times heretical and who took every act of conciliation or compromise like an admission of wrongdoing and took it as a platform to openly proclaim the magisterium of the Church had fallen but the faithful should rally under their leadership &/or LeFebvre/Vigano. That is protestant reform in it's bare-toothed we say the Church has fallen but pretend we didn't & call us the "real" Christians/Catholics listen to our apologetics instead of (Church) Doctrine.
Arrogant.
I’m Protestant. You and many Catholics commenting here have a schismatic spirit……. Can you hear yourselves?
Please do tell
Coming from a protestant is rich
@@DaniloCatania-vm7nb True, but sometimes it takes one to smell another.
@@ntlearning what protestant? Not man, one tru faith here, not a made up unbased lite version of Christinity
@@DaniloCatania-vm7nb The Catholic Church has a bigger banquet table no one denies. But I would speculate there are Protestants who walk with God closer than you do.
What was before TLM? Pentecost, when everybody was speaking in own native language. Your hatred is directed at the Holy Spirit! How traditional.
Imagine thinking the beef about the TLM is solely about the Latin language lol. Please educate yourself.
@metodalif4770 Well said, the ordinary Catholic must be informed of the wickedness of so-called traditionalist movement.
What a truly odd exhortation , not based in the history of the church. I'm praying for you to join the Catholic church , where we believe in transsubstantiation and attend mass every Sunday. Act and treat others as children of God. I'm lost regarding where you would find that wicked in some way. If you would please clarify
The TLM goes back to Saint Peter. Father Ripperger had already studied this and spoke on this.
Did you get that out of a ladybird book? What are you 5? Get some basic education already.
Bull.
How so?
Papal bull?