I'm 15 and even I can see that the woke tyrants are developing the bluff of compassion to enforce otherwise unacceptable policies and social norms. We are heading into a VERY dark age. Prayers to Jordan Peterson - I hope with all my heart that they don't take him next. Edit: Thank you for all the inspiring words! Some of you said that you felt hope from this message. I can't tell you how glad I am to be able to do that for people :) JP, if you're reading this, I'd love to talk to you!
Douglas is exactly what I imagined a British man to be - well mannered, smart, eloquent, but also TOUGH AS NAILS. That's the impression I got from studying history in school back in 90s Russia. Keep that man safe.
I may be British working class and not highly educated but I have morals and values and a great respect and gratitude for my country and it's forefathers. We should not allow anyone to tarnish that.
You said you’re not highly educated. Consider you are the only TH-cam commenter (besides me) who can spell! (I just noticed “it’s”. I take what I said back.)
I wish more would remember the greatness that is the history and pride of your island nation. The British should reawaken to the idea that the UK and the Commonwealth are rooted in Great Britain and Western Christendom.
I am highly educated and there is, more often than not, nothing especially intelligent about the highly educated. Most merely posses an over-priced piece of paper that they delude into believing they are better than driving a truck or stocking shelves at a grocer, when they are clearly and obviously not any better than or even worse than those they hold themselves above.
Except there is evidence that Russia along with it's dubious friends, are stoking the fire of mass immigration. Meanwhile you remain the anesthetised nation watching Channel 1. That is the fear: that we become like you.
@@hmu05366 Amazing people don't sit mute in front of a TV having their remaining freedoms demolished, and told how think (or perhaps not to think) Perhaps they were amazing in the time of Dostovesky. However I fail to see where the admiration comes from. Maybe because you see them as patriotic or nationalistic. Don't conflate that with totalitarian tyranny!
@@andrewlesterthomas5581 agree they allow themselves to be led. However Russia has contributed a lot to the world in the last few hundred years. It has a lot of potential
@@hmu05366 A few composers, philosophers and novellists. But they always looked west for their inspiration in most things. They have no real culture and identity as it is constantly 'lobotomised'. And as such they dont' create. You need real freedom to create the new. They are good at copying though.. just like China.
Years ago I watched a young Tommy Robinson take part in a tv show in which he spoke about the violence perpetrated by a largely Pakistani male group against predominantly white working class girls. One of the panelists on this show was a female from the Pakistani community who simply dismissed Tommy and his disclosures as racist. Years later I watched this same woman appear on a morning program talking about her abuse history at the hands of male relatives. Tommy has done more to protect children and the vulnerable from violence than most state officials or family/community members. What an incredible legacy.
I watched a similar (may have been the same thing) with Tommy Robinson years ago. He kept making statements about the problems of Islam and the grooming gangs and people on the panel kept dismissing everything he said as racist with almost gleeful sneers as the audience clapped mindlessly, he kept asking them "What am I saying that's racist?" and not one of them gave him an answer despite this happening about 5 or 6 times over the course of the show with him repeating himself multiple times in each instance. It really was a case of "You're just a racist." audience claps, "What is it that I'm saying that's racist?", "Y...y... You're just a racist." audience claps. Always stuck with me that, because at the time I barely knew anything about the man and genuinely wanted them to answer him so I could understand the issue they had with him better; the fact that none of them did helped me understand something very different.
What is happening in towns like Luton and Rotherham is unforgivable. The politicians, lawyers, policeman and social services which have explicitly allowed this to happen, should be shamed and never be allowed to hold a public function. We don't tar and feather anymore.....but we should.
This interview is going to go viral here in the UK. To Jordan and Douglas I want to say on behalf of my countrymen ; thank you thank you thank you, for having this conversation.
@@daisykdq4336please don’t thank me. I wish I never left and it’s my 2 friends who are gone that deserve the thanks. I’m just another survivor. Stay safe and god bless.
Isn't it just so refreshing to hear common sense and intelligence and maturity? lol We need them so badly for our sanity :) Also love Joe Rogan, Elon Musk. I love listening to Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, although they are on a little more on the dramatic side but so worth hearing
I don’t think anything gets me more excited than seeing a new full Douglas Murray interview with JP. Seeing a new full Douglas interview is enough to get me super excited but when it’s with JP the excitement just goes through the roof. Two of the most exciting and interesting/important people to listen to on the planet.
@@veraboltonwhy is it difficult for Jordan to talk deeply about hamas as a way of describing how they form and use other instances in the world history were these kind of things happen
Legal migrant from Europe here happily living with my family in the UK since 2009. It is so unjust to have to undergo the procedure, pay the fees to be granted a legal stay and then see how welcomed are those coming illegally. This is a great country, historically known for freedom and tolerance and well worth fighting for. Thank you both Jordan and Douglas.
I know the feeling @henofed😢 I left South Africa because it was becoming so unstable and I could see the direction it was going in. Came to study in the UK as I've always loved it and it was a dream to. Hard work and costly to study as international student but I did it Paid into NHS and pay my taxes and now witnessing all this breaks my heart but is also infuriating as I can't get a skilled worker visa with this new salary threshold it has not been possible. The cost of further study is not possible for me as that cost has also been increased. So once my current visa expires I'll have to leave 😢 Yet, all these illegal immigrants can stay and are given freebies 🙈
Good man! It's refreshing to see people actually KNOW the difference! When we're talking about Illegals we mean exactly that, people here Illegally! NOT people that have come here through LEGAL migration and pay their taxes just like the rest of us! Those who come here illegally, do not pay taxes nor contribute to our society. But still reap the benefits of which the normal taxpayer would an in what world does this make sense? Why should someone who's just come into this country get an expedited Dentist or Doctors Appointments amongst many other things, but my 67yr old mother who's paid taxes and worked her ENTIRE life, has to wait weeks to be seen? I can only imagine how you feel, after coming here through legal means. It really is infuriating!
@@mb8219 with you here! Been here in England for 19 years, and came over as a legal migrant from South Africa, and have worked since I landed, paid my taxes, contributed to society, never relied on the state etc for anything, and left South africa for the very reasons you mention here. And it is heart breaking to see what is happening in the uk. So sorry to hear what you are experiencing:(
@@henofed I have decided the opposite. We are downsizing in UK. With a view to pretty much moving out - next April. It no longer feels like home. I don't recognise the place I grew up in. Luckily I have the choice.
Born in England to an English mother and Malaysian father (born in Hong Kong, so a British subject), it is 100% clear to me that successive governments should have: * denied all illegal immigrants * allowed only sustainable numbers of legal immigrants (depending on all excess resources available) * prefer people from Commonwealth countries, proven to have already adopted and love of British culture * restrict incompatible religions and countries to a small percentage that can never negatively impact the country, it's people and our culture * already know English to a working level, eg C1. Ample time to learn it in their home country. * refugee claimants, screening out the obvious fakes, to be considered refugee immigrants and subject to the same conditions as all other legal immigrants.
@@grannyannie2948Bet thats the case in all western countries. They are intentionally importing our enemies, and refusing our allies. Treason through and through.
The West needs more people like Dr Peterson and the great Douglas Murray using their high profile platforms for the good of humanity. God bless you both.
Yes. It's so, frustrating when people lie and claim they have it- meanwhile, the evidence bespoke the exact opposite, is true. I believe, many don't revere their own life much less, any other and missing the trick is leading us all, down the Path to Perdition.
If only our leaders in Great Britain had an ounce of Murrays brains and integrity. I believe he is destined for Greater things. His time is yet to come.
I wish they could run the world, and a few others besides. We need truth, transparency, and many audits of the many gov depts, drain the swamps. Only a reset will save us by the looks of it. Too many still sleep and play into their hands.
I’ve been a socialist and a Labour supporter all my life. I’m a social worker who’s dedicated my adult life to valuing people and defending basic rights and I’ve supported multi culturalism, however, am extremely worried about multiculturalism and immigration in the UK and the clear and obvious dangers of the lack of an immigration policy. I’m so worried that I asked to make an appointment to discuss my concerns with my local MP who happens to be the deputy prime minister Angela Rayner (as is my right as she represents me in parliament). No luck there! I used to accuse my in laws of being racist when they raised their concerns 30 yrs ago but I was dead wrong
I mean immigration increased due to Covid and Brexit - it's their to plug the labour shortage.. not to mention the damage austerity caused. The people at the top regard immigration as a political football...
Hopefully you will apologise to your in-laws. Expressing concerns about the behaviours of people doesn't make a person racist. Assuming a person is racist because expressing concern or a dislike in their behaviour or fundamental beliefs is not a helpful attitude to have. This happens often and is part of the problem we see all over the world. Using terms as racist or "far right" now is meant to shut down conversation and critical thinking/debate
Well done for seeing that you were wrong and admitting it. None of us see the full picture and so make assumptions for various reasons but when we see a bigger picture, it’s really good and humbling to admit we were wrong.
I do not think the main reason for the attack on 7 Oct had much to do with the people of Gaza. Rather it had everything to do with the jihadists in USA and UK. They, the caliphate people, think that the time is right for the next step in their subjugation of the western world. I cannot say any more as I am concerned that the starmtroopers will knock on the door. But you all my readers can imagine what I might have said. Do not think too loud. Watch what you think or you will end up in the clink. Stay silent stay safe. WTF.
Douglas is one of the few 10:25 have been able to see, understand, and speak about the consequences of islams horrible ideology. He is a brave man, and he cares . I Pray to GOD he protects, blesses him, and intervenes on his behalf. 💚🙏✝️🙏🕊
Everyone around the world needs to talk about.What's going on with the UK government today tomorrow?Everyday the u k government has fallen into the hands of communist and now they will start persecuting all of their citizens who do not comply!!!
Douglas & Jordan....for a long while now, consistently my two favourite people to listen to, whether appearing on tv news shows, public speaking, debating or just having an informal chat. Thanks guys!
Im a 35yo working dad of 2 young girls, 6yo and 13yo and im terrified my doors gonna go in because iv voiced my concerns about immigration on facebook, you saw yourself, theyve jailed someone for making stickers, jailed another for shouting at the police, starmer is causing me alarm and distress, im already depressed, This isnt democratic, hes abusing his own people, mentally and physically!!!! Thankyou douglas and jordan for trying to stand up for the british public
Correction they jailed a bunch mindless yobs who tried to burn down a hotel with people in it burned police cars assaulted emergency workers and those who incited this behaviour online
Don't let them take your joy or freedom. Enjoy and protect your daughters, speak Truth, but be careful and try to change things how you can: talk to ppl, change things politically, just never stop, but by all means do so carefully. Be smart. ❤️
Join the free speech union it will give you peace of mind and legal help if the police do arrest you for something you’ve posted. Me and my hubby joined a few days ago. Douglas is a director or something of the FSU.
Douglas is a true gentleman and a brilliant mind. It’s going to be a pleasure to watch almost two hours conversation of two modern thinkers like professor Peterson and mr. Murray
He’s smart and courageous but also has some obvious issues with his ego. In so many debates he can’t help but “dunk” on people and create fancy insults and wise cracks. Sometimes it’s fun but often it’s childish and deepens the conflict he’s trying to cure. He needs to learn a lesson in humility if he’s going to really hold my respect.
Douglas Murray is the definition of erudite. He’s so articulate, thoughtful, careful, and passionate on the issues he tackles. Always excited to hear his input!
He's an opportunist and intellectually dishonest. He picks convenient truths to further his agenda and does nothing to educate himself about the history of his country. He has somehow found a way to make the British victims! I mean the cognitive dissonance it takes to make his arguments is extraordinary and I applaud him for keeping a straight face while he does so.
@@shawnshahpari8681 In no way, does Murray portray the British as victims, and history is never as simple and straight forward as you'd obviously like it to be.
The US can appreciate DMurray who astonishes each time with his serene lack of baroque political correctness to confront evil dissimulation. A gem, a visionary man. 🏰💎
@@OpenHLZFocus you’re attack on Frank doesn’t make sense. He stated a fact that Douglas doesn’t see the British as victims and your assertion that his manichean is cheap shows you have no idea what manichean even means.
Based on some of the conversation, I am an Italian American. My grandparents came here, learned the language and learned to live as patriotic Americans. They did keep their culture, specialty foods, holiday traditions, etc. in our own home. This is what immigrants use to do and was the case for most people I’ve ever known. It is not that way today. I believe it is all purposely being orchestrated to undo the west and mainly Christianity.
The history between Christianity and Muslims is well documented, in history books ! The morals and beliefs due to there religion! They can't live side by side !! I honestly belive you could give both sides everything! Homes, health care , financial support! But religion and what religion you belive is going to cause conflict ( last thing I want) . The Uk is in a bad way ! Multiculturalism is never going to work ! Great Britain will be known as the Great F UP IN YEARS TO COME ! and looked on how not to do things !
May I ask why it gives you hope? Is he telling people things they don't already know? Is he offering solutions that will actually fix the problem? When a Muslim gang comes for you will any of his advice save you? These guys have a naivete you can only aquire with wealth and insulation from consequences. The UK is never going to talk their way out of this.
Thank you both for moving the conversation toward taking up the mantle of spreading Christian truth, in contrast to the deceptive versions of DEI being promoted by so many of our academic institutions. Keep pressing on with faith and courage towards the goal that brings joy and hope!
I'm Irish and we are repeating all the mistakes made by Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, HOW many examples did we need!?!? It's so frustrating. I hope that Sweden recovers its cohesive high trust society again, now that they can acknowledge the elephant in the room.
@@SusanaXpeace2u Im Polish and I feel the same way. We have opportunity to learn on the mistakes of other western countries but our new government already opened ministry of equality, started to censore media and likely will agree with every EU's plan for our society, in the other hand last government on paper stood up for Polish autonomy, but infact It was so populist and corrupted that many people just shifted to the wokism.
The people who are working so hard at trying to destroy Britain don't understand just how much of our present day culture the British have provided us with, Music, Comedy, Film, Theatre etc etc. Without the British the whole world will turn into a depressing wasteland
A feeling of moral alignment with respect to who they've watched/heard. In this case they're refereing to the pleasure that comes from being in harmony with and sharing similar morals to that of JP and Murray. Correct me if I'm wrong Olgay
What a fantastic interview! It is beyond refreshing to listen to intelligent, ethical, grounded individuals who see things clearly and without fear of retribution. Truth is powerful, and I am so grateful that they are unafraid to declare it!
Just turned 20, jewish - but lives in Scandinavia DKK (im so glad my grandparents didn't fled to Sweden because look at that place today...) I just wanted to say, THANK YOU Douglas, THANK YOU Jordan. My brother (17) and I listen to both of you often. You surely both are gifts to this world. Down with radicalism, bring back pride in your nation and educate yourself
Swede here. Yes, it's bad here. I've heard that about 40% of Jews in Sweden think about leaving. Many native Swedes have also thought about that. The radicals are unbelievably hostile to both native Swedes and Jews.
Whatever is said in this video, I have absolute admiration for Douglas Murray. He is brave, factual, truthful and one of the greatest voices of our time. I hope to hear him speak the truth for years to come.
Maybe you should educate yourself... so you don't worship mortals lol he is mostly factual, but certainly not always. He actually lies very regularly.( don't we all, to some extent). And brave? you all repeat this... he is far from brave.... he has no connection to bavery . The fact that people you know are extreme cowards... does not make someone else brave lol
@@farsalami8605interested in how I should educate myself? You don’t know how I’ve already done that. And a couple of questions: Give me your evidence of when and how he has lied? No connection to bravery? He’s reported from the midst of conflicts for years, putting himself physically in danger. But the real bravery? Speaking the truth. In a world where people like you only dream to conceive the notion as to what truth is.
@@farsalami8605also, your quip about worshipping mortals. I’m guessing that’s a dig against you worshipping the likes of “allah”. Whose false prophet is documented as marrying a 6 year old, consummating the marriage when she was 9, r@png and pillaging across the Arab lands, and basically stealing everything from both previous poly and monotheisms to create a new “religion” and subsequently birthing thousands of terrorists in years to come. No thanks buddy.
Don't you remember what happened to anybody who spoke against the trans fad? It's starting to pass now, so the people who speak against it now are hardly brave... He was also among the earliest people speaking our against open borders, covid tyranny and DEI... He's been tarred and feathered, called on to be canceled, verbally assaulted, insulted and no doubt lost many friends along the way... After all he was a gay liberal just a few years ago... He didn't move, you all just went off the deep end... There's nothing courageous about following the crowd kid... Grow up...
As a Jewish American thank you both for talking about all of this I've been screaming about all of this to so many years and too many people aren't listening its driven me crazy but I'm happy folks like you two have spoken up you can reach many more then I ever could please keep going. And to my Christian brothers please Jews and Christians must stand together to defend our western society
I don't even try to say that I am anywhere near the Intellect of the two men speaking in this video. But I was raised by a mother that had a strong belief in God and she taught me the difference between good and evil. I think one of the most important things on earth is truth. That's what makes evil so hard to see because they have no truth. And they are willing to lie cheat and steal to achieve their end goals. I look at the governments of most countries in the world and see Politicians that are totally evil and have no regard for anyone. And I see the world going insane and am very surprised how many people are fooled by them. These guys are the hope for freedom and liberation from the insanity. Very good video well worth watching.
The knowledge of the difference between good and evil does not require a superior intellect. It was seen in the plague that the less ' educated' people could see through the bs.
I am just taken back at how bad and fast things have gone, even though I was noticing things change about 20yrs ago. Insane is the best word to describe what is happening and guides my thoughts to wondering who and what is driving all this while feeling a strong sense it is failing. It is like a great culling of souls or feeding on them, evil. Let me end by sharing, I know a lot of younger folks and am very impressed that they see it for what it is, from all walks of life. Gives me hope and comfort. These 2 men are a good tonic for our world right now. Thank you.
Previous comment from an aware 15 YEAR old citizen - God Bless and stay true to the Wisdom that will mould your future! Jordan Peterson & DOUGLAS MURRAY are both seasoned intellects and truth itself will guide them!
An outstanding discussion between two great public intellectuals. I've read three of Douglas's books and they were superb. He analyses all the issues so well and is totally fearless. He would be a great addition to Peterson Academy. Douglas Murray is one of our greatest living Britons and I hope that his speaking tour goes well. He was right to point out how such engagements bring together those who share his views, helping them to realise that they are not alone in their opinions. It is easy to feel isolated and without hope for the future when almost no one is willing to debate the issues in public.
I stand alone amongst many of my friends, family, and acquaintances who are all woke lefties and think I'm completely and utterly far right/racist, etc. bla bla bla
I have been wanting to see this conversation for YEARS... JBP and Douglas Murray... just bloody awesome!! Thank you both for your careful discussion of facts, and refusal to be "politically correct" or "woke" or "silenced" despite all of the very REAL attempts on your lives and livelihoods. YOU ARE THE CHANGE that we are looking for.
I am a Left Wing Atheist Danish guy, who is no longer politically homeless. I am on the side of these two people, and the rest, fighting Wokeism anywhere.
@@Sewandsew58 I am Left Wing. The Wokesters are not. That's how I see it. They have dropped the Workers, Enlightenment Values, Universalism and a bunch of other things. That's not Left Wing.
Marx destroyed the left wing. Deliberately so. Before Marx the left was workers forming unions and cooperatives and coming up with their own ideas how they will improve their lives. Under Marxism working people were just cannon-fodder who were there to do as they are told or else be killed. The idea of Marx was to latch on to a popular and just cause but subvert it from within. Marx set up two outcomes. A global catastrophe and utopia. Only by following the 'word' of Marx could you avoid catastrophe and reach utopia. In such a way he used fear and hope as powerful twin motivators. Marx's real goal was to create hell on Earth (his poetry outlines this clearly). But he well understood the road to hell is always paved with good intentions. In other words Marx understood if you want to create hell on Earth you can't simply tell people you are leading them to hell, you must get them to believe they are doing good and heading towards utopia. Wokeism is just a modern incarnation of Marxism. The core tactics and goal remain the same. People must not confuse Marxism for socialism. They are two opposites. Socialism is ordinary people having more say over their work and their lives. Marxism is creating a hell where ordinary people are reduced to slaves in a totalitarian hell. Marxist Socialism is a contradiction in terms. If any socialist group is Marxist, it cannot be a socialist group. Socialism MUST always be non-Marxist or else it cannot be socialism.
@@Dantegrey1the whole left has dropped the working class. They sneer at farmers & everyday people. They are all on the side of the elites. The left supports the woke. They are all about identity politics. More or less. I hope your fight from within won't be fruitless. I used to be a leftist Atheist 15 years ago, as well. I'm also an artist & my collegues are to 99% exactly the same. Socially & politically. It's sad! I thought we were about freedom.
I never grow tired of Douglas Murray. This was a great discussion, but in all seriousness, I'd watch him mow the lawn if someone took the time to film it. 👍👍
As much as i dislike him i also pity him.people are now starting to take apart his books as racist ramblings.hes getting more unhinged as it goes on.sad that americans think a posh accent is a substitute for being smart..
Jordan your interview with T Robin.....Son was SO amazing - it was very difficult and uncomfortable to watch but the best one I have seen x I felt his frustration and pain. The beautiful peaceful UK that I was raised in sadly now no longer exists. I couldn't leave a comment there as it was blocked but I just wanted to say THANK YOU to you and Tammy - honestly a top notch presentation and I hope the world watches it x
I have just finished the Daily Wire section and I’m actually without any words, which is rare for me. I am filled with pain and hope in equal measure. I have a professional correspondent in Jerusalem and because I know and love someone in Israel, 10/7 hit me very differently than it did most Americans. It was almost as life-changing for me as it was for Israel. Since that awful day, I have immersed myself in the journalism and scholarship of people like Melanie Phillips and Caroline Glick and Douglas Murray and Benny Morris. So many others. I’ve taken pains to understand as much as I am able of the history of that conflict and have taken as much as I am able of the pain of that day into my heart. I don’t know what possible difference it can make to anyone, but I know it has made a life changing difference to me. And I’ve watched enough of Douglas over the years to see and recognize the terrible change that came over his face after 10/7. It’s all there, in his eyes, what he’s seen and cannot talk about, and what will haunt him to his dying day, and it haunts me. I see the same pain in Dr. Peterson’s eyes. I feel it in my own heart. It’s the “world sorrow” that Gerald Manly Hopkins sings of. The world sorrow put to music in Barber’s Adagio. But the end of the conversation inspired me with hope and left me with tears in my eyes. And I think of Julian of Norwich, “All shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.” With Ruth Anne’s love
He’s a little englander pandering to what’s left of an empire that ransacked half the world for the aristocracy and left the ordinary English person living in poverty and squalor read your Dickens
Two great minds in conversation. What a privilege to watch and be part of. From a backward country such as South Africa where I unfortunately have to reside, these podcasts of doctor Peterson is all that keeps me in the reality and truth of what is going on all over the earth. Thank you so much.
With what is going on around the world at the moment, in regards to cencorship and totalitarianism, we are lucky to have these two and others to speak freely and amplify this issue.
It's always a pleasure to watch two of my favorite distinguished people discussing current events in the Middle East and how it affects the West. Thank you! 😊
Two of the most brilliant and upstanding minds of our time, I always get excited when you two collaborate. This was an absolute joy to listen to, thank you both for all that you do in the utilization of your strengths to fight the good fight. Praying for and standing with my brothers and sisters in the UK and cheering you on as we fight our respective battles across the globe for our freedoms against the spreading Machiavellian evil seeking to enslave us all. Much love and respect from San Diego, CA, USA. ❤️🙏
Legal immigrant here and now a proud citizen to this country. Unfortunately, for too long the Gov has made it so difficult for those who don't bring much to this country, but they gladly let in people who start by breaking the law and violating this country's sovereignty. I completely understand why tax payers are tired of having their salaries slashed off and go to others, when one doesn't get much in return, if any. Thank you Jordan and Douglas, for speaking out! It's very sad that the people are not listened to and rather put all in the "far right" lot.
Here here, we are not against immigration but against open borders where we are getting an influx of mainly young aged ,unvetted men who we know absolutely nothing about and in some cases providing new identity’s for?, it’s dangerous for this country, and it is getting worse not only this the majority are not bringing anything to the table etc… apart from being a drain on the our society. We cannot sustain letting in this amount of people without it impacting everything , jobs, accommodation, education etc..
I agree. Its the human rights laws that are used every time. There are lawyers in the country dedicated to finding every loophole for these ill intentioned people to live here. Good people should have ease to move around.
We are so fortunate to be able to open our phones and hear these conversations! Thank you for your intelligence and for bravely leading with your hearts. Valour in defense of truth and goodness is always beautiful! Well done, boys!
Dr. JBP has helped me immensely in a time of horrid stress ( terror might be closer to the truth). DM is also a force of nature. I love his work. These are two VIPs in my world. May God bless them both.
I'm a yemeni guy who suffered from extremism in my country and I totally agree with these smart men in the way how they explain what can extremists do not only in the west but worldwide. Thank you for this real conversation.
We've moved way past the extremists in your religion onto whether the entire religion is worth the problems it brings to our shores. The short answer is it's not worth it
@@mcounlall9042 yes I have, I have corresponded with a number of other people on this thus we. We agree that this particular ideology brings very little of value and is hugely problematic.
Of all I have watched and listened to with Jordan, this is one with Douglas is the most powerful and applicable to me. I’ve viewed it now 2 times in its’ entirety. I now watch it again. Wow.
Thank you for discussing what many won’t. Tommy & Douglas are British heros. 1.2M gross migration into the UK in the last 12 month. This does not include illegal migration. Using net migration is misleading… The UK is losing skills & high net worth individuals in favour of many unskilled/low skilled & different cultures too fast to integrate. 9M people of working age claiming benefits & 51% of people receiving some form of state support. I gave up & left the UK, working class, white, female, educated myself & work long & hard… it was too sickening for me to see the abuse of the benefits system, the unsafe streets, & standard of living decreasing. I was born in London, even though back then I was a minority white person in my class, the place is still unrecognizable from where I grew up. The white working class is ignored in favour of non-Christian groups. There needs to be investment in the indigenous populations (not handouts). I have no issue in CONTROLLED migration genuinely bringing skilled contributors to the economy who want to integrate. The genuine asylum seekers are also welcome with the condition that they assimilate & contribute … currently the majority of these so-called asylum seekers are male of military age 🤷🏻♀️🙄… with very different views of women’s place in society & treatment thereof vs the UK. It’s dangerous. Are we going to shut down the streets for every country’s nationals to celebrate their multiple national days? … except St George’s of course. It is ridiculous.
Yes, I went to London in 1997 and worked for 20 years before returning home to Ireland, I had a great time, great colleagues, great friends, it was ALL GOOD but I was never scared. Now I go back and only the areas where a house is a million pounds are safe. I would say that my friends in England are welcome to come here but our government is making all the same mistakes. That march down Tottenham Court Rd a few days after the awful attacks in Southport, that was CHILLING. There were so many of them. I'm really angry that a bunch of male politicians aren't determined to keep these people with so little respect for women out.
I’m half South African / English and been living in England for 26 years now. I’m in Kent, so only 15 mins from central London and go up there a couple of times a month, to meet up with mates for a bit of grub and a few drinks. It is so difficult nowadays, to find “an old English boozer”. Multiculturalism is great and I’m all for it, but it has come at the detriment of the English completely losing their identity / culture in their own capital. There is a massive issue in this country and it is only going to get worse. As soon as any Englishman celebrates being English, they are labelled racist / right wing!! It’s absolutely pathetic!! The world has gone mad
Brilliant to hear Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray together again in this recent discussion. Their thoughtful reflections and insights give hope amongst despair.
It is an endless pleasure to listen to the conversation of these two extraordinary and infinitely erudite gentlemen. I am very grateful to you for voicing your thoughts and sharing them with us. 🙏
This was epic, a million thank yous to the phenomenal Douglas Murray, what common sense that man speaks and this Brit is just so thankful for his standing up and not being cowed by this insanity that the UK is currently drowning in, thank you 🙏, and thank you Dr Peterson, fascinating discussion from both of you. 👏🇬🇧
@@big_red_machine3547 His reasoning appears to be that there are fewer Israelis than European Christians. He also says Western Civilization would die (apparently literally westerners would die out) if Israel were destroyed, a rather dubious claim.
@@joemerino3243 I’m pretty sure that I saw that interview and I’ve read his books. What western civilization and Israel have in common is an enemy ideation , which states “First we come for the Saturday people, Then we come for the Sunday people”.
Thank goodness for these two who can beautifully articulate what the rest of us are feeling! We in the UK and other Western nations are in a fight to the death with the enemies within - our own kind!
Jews in UK about 2000 years. Jews did not gang rape, did not live on welfare, did not try to change the local religion, did not commit terrorism. ❤️🇮🇱❤️
You both are on the money. I watch you both continuously. Why? Because many of us see what you are saying, and celebrate the fact that you are speaking out for so many of us. We can’t gain the same notoriety, and get people to listen to us. Thankyou so much, for your effort, pain and heroic suffering, on our part. We are listening and supporting you!
You guys are our heroes. Heroes of the people. This is fundamentally a war, you are warriors, warriors for humanity against evil Satan himself, manifesting as human elites. We must resist in every way possible. God bless and protect you both 🙏
Point of correction: It was NOT a protest march, it was a rally and family day called Uniting the Kingdom. That day was beautiful sunshine in London, whilst across the channel in Paris it poured with rain on the first day of the Olympics. Apart from a couple of small idiotic activists, there was such a huge and happy crowd and so much to watch and play, that most did not notice the usual chaos-starters. They all met in Trafalgar Square and stayed there and had a lovely day, all together and everything was cleared away at the end.
In israel we have a saying "those who show pitty to the crule will show cruelty to the innocents" we see it going down in the uk. The government will show cruelty to the innocent British patriot to protect islamic terrorists from consequences for their cruelty
sane... mostly yes. But brave? Really? You are a kurd ( i'm guessing ) don'yt you know or have heard about a 1000 people more brave that Douglas and nobody knows them ? lol
I visited England for the first time a month ago and saw fencing around a Winston Churchill statue outside of parliament. I’m a Mexican American veteran and felt truly sad to see this.
"I'm a devotee of the idea of returning to the sane and the normal and the pursuit of the beautiful and the true." That brought tears, Douglas, because I cannot imagine a life NOT lived that way. But then I think, perhaps poverty, or the lack of feminine influence, makes for a baser existence. Some people have no concept of those ideals. How fortunate we have been. Must add, I adamantly don't want anyone disrupting our western way of life.
I live in Thailand and tell women they are pretty all the time (including little old ladies) and they tell me I'm handsome. It's natural to appreciate each other and stifling that is a type of soul sickness.
Sadly, it's been the feminine influence, that is the feminist influence which has proved to be a major causal factor in creating the situation we are in now.
These two men together call to mind one of my favourite quotes from Winston Churchill: “Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, for, as has been said, it is the quality which guarantees all others.”
I admire and respect Dr Peterson for his rational thinking and logic. His academic work and his lecturers are inspiring. Since delving into the political realm, there has been a relaxing of fact-based rational thought and a drift towards a biased agenda which has undermined his credibility.
What is mssing is what Douglas Murray is bringing up.... history is not only about tyrants, its also about heroes in all walks of life. It about noble ideas and about the value of human life. Its about the preservation of great places and a culture that is formed by love✝️ despite all obstacles. Murray knows that you have to fight to keep the good. He hopes that it can be done without war but knows that it may be too late.
It's amazing to listen to two intelligent deep honest thinkers, that just speak the truth in plain language that is simple to understand, yet profound in its depth and very passionate in its expression
The Magnificent Douglas Murray who been touched by an ANGEL,there is no one like him that speak 🗣️ with such integrity,honestly and courage ❗️He is mesmerising wit his wisdom and knowledge ❗️thank you Jordan❗️
I'm 15 and even I can see that the woke tyrants are developing the bluff of compassion to enforce otherwise unacceptable policies and social norms. We are heading into a VERY dark age. Prayers to Jordan Peterson - I hope with all my heart that they don't take him next.
Edit: Thank you for all the inspiring words! Some of you said that you felt hope from this message. I can't tell you how glad I am to be able to do that for people :)
JP, if you're reading this, I'd love to talk to you!
Well done !. Such intelligence at a young age.
God bless and protect you.
Great to see you thinking for yourself. Plant your intellectual flag exactly where you want on your terms.
Wise head on young shoulders wish more youngsters were like you well done
Your parents must be so proud of you 💖🏴🇬🇧
if you are 15 years old.. please don't pick one side.
Douglas is exactly what I imagined a British man to be - well mannered, smart, eloquent, but also TOUGH AS NAILS. That's the impression I got from studying history in school back in 90s Russia. Keep that man safe.
Why does he live in New York?
@@anaglyphxuk too dangerous
We are a dying breed sadly but thanks for your kind words
His voice would be great for the in car GPS system
A he doesn't just communicate he visits the troubled places he discusses to see for himself
I may be British working class and not highly educated but I have morals and values and a great respect and gratitude for my country and it's forefathers.
We should not allow anyone to tarnish that.
You said you’re not highly educated. Consider you are the only TH-cam commenter (besides me) who can spell!
(I just noticed “it’s”. I take what I said back.)
I wish more would remember the greatness that is the history and pride of your island nation. The British should reawaken to the idea that the UK and the Commonwealth are rooted in Great Britain and Western Christendom.
@@abulahab6528😂😂😂😂
What does your class have to do with your morals and values?
I am highly educated and there is, more often than not, nothing especially intelligent about the highly educated. Most merely posses an over-priced piece of paper that they delude into believing they are better than driving a truck or stocking shelves at a grocer, when they are clearly and obviously not any better than or even worse than those they hold themselves above.
As a Russian I hope British will save their culture. British culture is a treasure of humankind
Except there is evidence that Russia along with it's dubious friends, are stoking the fire of mass immigration. Meanwhile you remain the anesthetised nation watching Channel 1. That is the fear: that we become like you.
Russia also has so much more to fix the world. Amazing people with dreadful political system
@@hmu05366 Amazing people don't sit mute in front of a TV having their remaining freedoms demolished, and told how think (or perhaps not to think) Perhaps they were amazing in the time of Dostovesky. However I fail to see where the admiration comes from. Maybe because you see them as patriotic or nationalistic. Don't conflate that with totalitarian tyranny!
@@andrewlesterthomas5581 agree they allow themselves to be led. However Russia has contributed a lot to the world in the last few hundred years. It has a lot of potential
@@hmu05366 A few composers, philosophers and novellists. But they always looked west for their inspiration in most things. They have no real culture and identity as it is constantly 'lobotomised'. And as such they dont' create. You need real freedom to create the new. They are good at copying though.. just like China.
Years ago I watched a young Tommy Robinson take part in a tv show in which he spoke about the violence perpetrated by a largely Pakistani male group against predominantly white working class girls. One of the panelists on this show was a female from the Pakistani community who simply dismissed Tommy and his disclosures as racist. Years later I watched this same woman appear on a morning program talking about her abuse history at the hands of male relatives. Tommy has done more to protect children and the vulnerable from violence than most state officials or family/community members. What an incredible legacy.
@henry 👏👏👏 well said!
I watched a similar (may have been the same thing) with Tommy Robinson years ago. He kept making statements about the problems of Islam and the grooming gangs and people on the panel kept dismissing everything he said as racist with almost gleeful sneers as the audience clapped mindlessly, he kept asking them "What am I saying that's racist?" and not one of them gave him an answer despite this happening about 5 or 6 times over the course of the show with him repeating himself multiple times in each instance. It really was a case of "You're just a racist." audience claps, "What is it that I'm saying that's racist?", "Y...y... You're just a racist." audience claps.
Always stuck with me that, because at the time I barely knew anything about the man and genuinely wanted them to answer him so I could understand the issue they had with him better; the fact that none of them did helped me understand something very different.
What is happening in towns like Luton and Rotherham is unforgivable. The politicians, lawyers, policeman and social services which have explicitly allowed this to happen, should be shamed and never be allowed to hold a public function. We don't tar and feather anymore.....but we should.
I think I saw the same
What was her name?
Douglas needs to run for public office. We need his leadership and integrity.
Absolutely - he is truly a profound and wonderful man. Who we need desperately.
He’s far too big s threat to the establishment snd they would stop that from happening. Unfortunately for this country and for the west.
This interview is going to go viral here in the UK. To Jordan and Douglas I want to say on behalf of my countrymen ; thank you thank you thank you, for having this conversation.
Douglas is a bit woke when it comes to 🇮🇱, he calls anyone who disagrees with him r a c i s t
@randomhuman Being against terrorism is woke now?😭😭😭
@@VR46314 That's not what I said
@VR46314 The problem is he calls anyone who criticises one particular country 🇮🇱 r a c i s t
@randomhuman2595 what is your idea of woke and racist ?
I’m a disabled veteran and just hearing these 2 smart men talking brings so much joy to me. BLESS THEM!
Thank you for your service and sacrifice. God bless you!
@@daisykdq4336please don’t thank me.
I wish I never left and it’s my 2 friends who are gone that deserve the thanks.
I’m just another survivor.
Stay safe and god bless.
BLESS THEM TOO
Isn't it just so refreshing to hear common sense and intelligence and maturity? lol We need them so badly for our sanity :) Also love Joe Rogan, Elon Musk. I love listening to Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, although they are on a little more on the dramatic side but so worth hearing
Hold dat.
I don’t think anything gets me more excited than seeing a new full Douglas Murray interview with JP. Seeing a new full Douglas interview is enough to get me super excited but when it’s with JP the excitement just goes through the roof. Two of the most exciting and interesting/important people to listen to on the planet.
Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson are two of my favorite commentators. A new discussion between them is truly a pleasure to hear
wellfor a dumbed down population they do stand out as less dumb, not very impressive both of them, a lot of unuendo, feelings, and biggotry.
@@starz5708 ah the classic “I don’t like what they’re saying so everyone who listens to them is stupid and a bigot.” Nice bait
@@starz5708 Do you have anything specific with timestamp?
@@veraboltonwhy is it difficult for Jordan to talk deeply about hamas as a way of describing how they form and use other instances in the world history were these kind of things happen
@@verabolton nah, it's either an actual bot or a woke-bot brain lol, they can't even spell :)
Legal migrant from Europe here happily living with my family in the UK since 2009. It is so unjust to have to undergo the procedure, pay the fees to be granted a legal stay and then see how welcomed are those coming illegally. This is a great country, historically known for freedom and tolerance and well worth fighting for. Thank you both Jordan and Douglas.
I know the feeling @henofed😢 I left South Africa because it was becoming so unstable and I could see the direction it was going in. Came to study in the UK as I've always loved it and it was a dream to. Hard work and costly to study as international student but I did it Paid into NHS and pay my taxes and now witnessing all this breaks my heart but is also infuriating as I can't get a skilled worker visa with this new salary threshold it has not been possible. The cost of further study is not possible for me as that cost has also been increased. So once my current visa expires I'll have to leave 😢 Yet, all these illegal immigrants can stay and are given freebies 🙈
Good man!
It's refreshing to see people actually KNOW the difference! When we're talking about Illegals we mean exactly that, people here Illegally! NOT people that have come here through LEGAL migration and pay their taxes just like the rest of us!
Those who come here illegally, do not pay taxes nor contribute to our society. But still reap the benefits of which the normal taxpayer would an in what world does this make sense?
Why should someone who's just come into this country get an expedited Dentist or Doctors Appointments amongst many other things, but my 67yr old mother who's paid taxes and worked her ENTIRE life, has to wait weeks to be seen?
I can only imagine how you feel, after coming here through legal means. It really is infuriating!
@@mb8219 with you here! Been here in England for 19 years, and came over as a legal migrant from South Africa, and have worked since I landed, paid my taxes, contributed to society, never relied on the state etc for anything, and left South africa for the very reasons you mention here. And it is heart breaking to see what is happening in the uk. So sorry to hear what you are experiencing:(
@@henofed I have decided the opposite. We are downsizing in UK. With a view to pretty much moving out - next April.
It no longer feels like home. I don't recognise the place I grew up in. Luckily I have the choice.
It's the same here in the US. I work with many legal migrants from multiple different countries and they have expressed they feel the same.
Born in England to an English mother and Malaysian father (born in Hong Kong, so a British subject), it is 100% clear to me that successive governments should have:
* denied all illegal immigrants
* allowed only sustainable numbers of legal immigrants (depending on all excess resources available)
* prefer people from Commonwealth countries, proven to have already adopted and love of British culture
* restrict incompatible religions and countries to a small percentage that can never negatively impact the country, it's people and our culture
* already know English to a working level, eg C1. Ample time to learn it in their home country.
* refugee claimants, screening out the obvious fakes, to be considered refugee immigrants and subject to the same conditions as all other legal immigrants.
And yet as an Australian who meets all those requirements, and once tried to move to UK, these are not attributes they select for, quite the opposite
@@grannyannie2948Bet thats the case in all western countries. They are intentionally importing our enemies, and refusing our allies. Treason through and through.
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The West needs more people like Dr Peterson and the great Douglas Murray using their high profile platforms for the good of humanity. God bless you both.
The west also needs more Tommy Robinson who will go to the front line and risk it all.
This is such a true statement
Start by yourself and quit telling others what to do.
@@divine.defined.sthetics9876 I always do truth I hope you do too.
No ..West doesn't need J.Peterson nether s.žizek
They should go tu russia😂😂👍we don't need putins fanboys
Reverence for LIFE is the defining line between Barbarism and Civility. 🙏
Great comment!
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Yes. It's so, frustrating when people lie and claim they have it- meanwhile, the evidence bespoke the exact opposite, is true.
I believe, many don't revere their own life much less, any other and missing the trick is leading us all, down the Path to Perdition.
If only our leaders in Great Britain had an ounce of Murrays brains and integrity.
I believe he is destined for Greater things. His time is yet to come.
It's ideology! Stu...!
Listening to a discussion between Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray is perfection. We are so fortunate to have them in this world.
Yes! And you can see how they respect each other and answer the questions we need to be answered.
Just two liberals talking
No real challenge
Jordan should interview Col Macgregor Ret and get a Conservative Military History Lesson
peterson is a coward, hever tals about important topics
I wish they could run the world, and a few others besides. We need truth, transparency, and many audits of the many gov depts, drain the swamps. Only a reset will save us by the looks of it. Too many still sleep and play into their hands.
We need Douglas Murray’s voice…..the voice of reason, conscience and wisdom….
I’ve been a socialist and a Labour supporter all my life. I’m a social worker who’s dedicated my adult life to valuing people and defending basic rights and I’ve supported multi culturalism, however, am extremely worried about multiculturalism and immigration in the UK and the clear and obvious dangers of the lack of an immigration policy. I’m so worried that I asked to make an appointment to discuss my concerns with my local MP who happens to be the deputy prime minister Angela Rayner (as is my right as she represents me in parliament). No luck there! I used to accuse my in laws of being racist when they raised their concerns 30 yrs ago but I was dead wrong
I mean immigration increased due to Covid and Brexit - it's their to plug the labour shortage.. not to mention the damage austerity caused. The people at the top regard immigration as a political football...
Hopefully you will apologise to your in-laws. Expressing concerns about the behaviours of people doesn't make a person racist. Assuming a person is racist because expressing concern or a dislike in their behaviour or fundamental beliefs is not a helpful attitude to have. This happens often and is part of the problem we see all over the world. Using terms as racist or "far right" now is meant to shut down conversation and critical thinking/debate
Well done for seeing that you were wrong and admitting it.
None of us see the full picture and so make assumptions for various reasons but when we see a bigger picture, it’s really good and humbling to admit we were wrong.
I do not think the main reason for the attack on 7 Oct had much to do with the people of Gaza. Rather it had everything to do with the jihadists in USA and UK. They, the caliphate people, think that the time is right for the next step in their subjugation of the western world. I cannot say any more as I am concerned that the starmtroopers will knock on the door. But you all my readers can imagine what I might have said. Do not think too loud. Watch what you think or you will end up in the clink. Stay silent stay safe. WTF.
At least you are open minded enough to change your view. My kids currently have this opinion of me maybe one day they will wake up
We've all been waiting for Douglas to speak out on the new tyranny in the UK. Finally!
he has been for a long time?
Douglas is one of the few 10:25 have been able to see, understand, and speak about the consequences of islams horrible ideology. He is a brave man, and he cares . I
Pray to GOD he protects, blesses him, and intervenes on his behalf. 💚🙏✝️🙏🕊
@@Enhancedlies yes Douglas has spoke on this for something like two decades
Everyone around the world needs to talk about.What's going on with the UK government today tomorrow?Everyday the u k government has fallen into the hands of communist and now they will start persecuting all of their citizens who do not comply!!!
Speak out yourself. Prepare to be insulted
Douglas & Jordan....for a long while now, consistently my two favourite people to listen to, whether appearing on tv news shows, public speaking, debating or just having an informal chat. Thanks guys!
Couldn't agree with you more 👏
I agree and I’d add Natasha to this as well
I would add sam harris to this!!
Im a 35yo working dad of 2 young girls, 6yo and 13yo and im terrified my doors gonna go in because iv voiced my concerns about immigration on facebook, you saw yourself, theyve jailed someone for making stickers, jailed another for shouting at the police, starmer is causing me alarm and distress, im already depressed, This isnt democratic, hes abusing his own people, mentally and physically!!!! Thankyou douglas and jordan for trying to stand up for the british public
God bless you and your daughters, sir. Try to stay safe and well.
@5050TM thankyou, you too, wherever you are !!
Correction they jailed a bunch mindless yobs who tried to burn down a hotel with people in it burned police cars assaulted emergency workers and those who incited this behaviour online
Don't let them take your joy or freedom. Enjoy and protect your daughters, speak Truth, but be careful and try to change things how you can: talk to ppl, change things politically, just never stop, but by all means do so carefully. Be smart. ❤️
Join the free speech union it will give you peace of mind and legal help if the police do arrest you for something you’ve posted. Me and my hubby joined a few days ago. Douglas is a director or something of the FSU.
Thank you both. Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray have given me and my family great encouragement in our struggles to remain sane and centred.
Douglas is a true gentleman and a brilliant mind. It’s going to be a pleasure to watch almost two hours conversation of two modern thinkers like professor Peterson and mr. Murray
Climbing into a place that has àids is not smart.
He’s smart and courageous but also has some obvious issues with his ego. In so many debates he can’t help but “dunk” on people and create fancy insults and wise cracks. Sometimes it’s fun but often it’s childish and deepens the conflict he’s trying to cure. He needs to learn a lesson in humility if he’s going to really hold my respect.
@@TT-hx9njwhat a poor joke. Like your sex life
Nobody's perfect @@captainradio5894
@@captainradio5894 I'm sure this brilliant, clear thinker will be devastated to hear he hasn't your respect
Douglas Murray is the definition of erudite. He’s so articulate, thoughtful, careful, and passionate on the issues he tackles. Always excited to hear his input!
He's an opportunist and intellectually dishonest. He picks convenient truths to further his agenda and does nothing to educate himself about the history of his country. He has somehow found a way to make the British victims! I mean the cognitive dissonance it takes to make his arguments is extraordinary and I applaud him for keeping a straight face while he does so.
@@shawnshahpari8681 In no way, does Murray portray the British as victims, and history is never as simple and straight forward as you'd obviously like it to be.
The US can appreciate DMurray who astonishes each time with his serene lack of baroque political correctness to confront evil dissimulation. A gem, a visionary man. 🏰💎
@@OpenHLZFocus you’re attack on Frank doesn’t make sense. He stated a fact that Douglas doesn’t see the British as victims and your assertion that his manichean is cheap shows you have no idea what manichean even means.
@@shawnshahpari8681
Lmaooo you just admitted you don't know shit
Based on some of the conversation, I am an Italian American. My grandparents came here, learned the language and learned to live as patriotic Americans. They did keep their culture, specialty foods, holiday traditions, etc. in our own home. This is what immigrants use to do and was the case for most people I’ve ever known. It is not that way today. I believe it is all purposely being orchestrated to undo the west and mainly Christianity.
There is nothing Christian about you.
The history between Christianity and Muslims is well documented, in history books ! The morals and beliefs due to there religion! They can't live side by side !! I honestly belive you could give both sides everything! Homes, health care , financial support! But religion and what religion you belive is going to cause conflict ( last thing I want) . The Uk is in a bad way ! Multiculturalism is never going to work ! Great Britain will be known as the Great F UP IN YEARS TO COME ! and looked on how not to do things !
The difference being they were European Christians
@@keksi6844 I’m actually really curious how you figured that out
I agree as my Mother was an immigrant to Canada and she had to work hard
Douglas, you will go down as a unifier of the people and a Great British icon. God bless you.
Very true ❤
Yes indeed.
Very timely conversation. We have Douglas on our side and it gives me hope for this country.
May I ask why it gives you hope? Is he telling people things they don't already know? Is he offering solutions that will actually fix the problem? When a Muslim gang comes for you will any of his advice save you? These guys have a naivete you can only aquire with wealth and insulation from consequences. The UK is never going to talk their way out of this.
@@PorkChopAChunkyhe's trying
@@Down-x4u all he's doing is lulling people into complacency with false hope.
@@PorkChopAChunky if you say so
@@PorkChopAChunkyit gives hope because he is a voice for the silent majority and he also has the reach
Thank you both for moving the conversation toward taking up the mantle of spreading Christian truth, in contrast to the deceptive versions of DEI being promoted by so many of our academic institutions. Keep pressing on with faith and courage towards the goal that brings joy and hope!
As a swedish jew I hope the British will save their culture. British culture is a treasure of humankind
I'm Irish and we are repeating all the mistakes made by Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, HOW many examples did we need!?!? It's so frustrating. I hope that Sweden recovers its cohesive high trust society again, now that they can acknowledge the elephant in the room.
@SusanaXpeace2u The government has control over the British people. It's not our mistakes. it's parliament. We don't get a say over any of it.
@@SusanaXpeace2u Im Polish and I feel the same way. We have opportunity to learn on the mistakes of other western countries but our new government already opened ministry of equality, started to censore media and likely will agree with every EU's plan for our society, in the other hand last government on paper stood up for Polish autonomy, but infact It was so populist and corrupted that many people just shifted to the wokism.
The people who are working so hard at trying to destroy Britain don't understand just how much of our present day culture the British have provided us with, Music, Comedy, Film, Theatre etc etc. Without the British the whole world will turn into a depressing wasteland
Cheers
Every second of video is an intellectual and moral pleasure.
@@olgay555 "moral pleasure" is new one for me. Maybe one day I can learn about what that is.
A feeling of moral alignment with respect to who they've watched/heard. In this case they're refereing to the pleasure that comes from being in harmony with and sharing similar morals to that of JP and Murray. Correct me if I'm wrong Olgay
What a fantastic interview! It is beyond refreshing to listen to intelligent, ethical, grounded individuals who see things clearly and without fear of retribution. Truth is powerful, and I am so grateful that they are unafraid to declare it!
Just turned 20, jewish - but lives in Scandinavia DKK (im so glad my grandparents didn't fled to Sweden because look at that place today...)
I just wanted to say, THANK YOU Douglas, THANK YOU Jordan. My brother (17) and I listen to both of you often. You surely both are gifts to this world.
Down with radicalism, bring back pride in your nation and educate yourself
Swede here. Yes, it's bad here. I've heard that about 40% of Jews in Sweden think about leaving. Many native Swedes have also thought about that. The radicals are unbelievably hostile to both native Swedes and Jews.
Whatever is said in this video, I have absolute admiration for Douglas Murray. He is brave, factual, truthful and one of the greatest voices of our time. I hope to hear him speak the truth for years to come.
Maybe you should educate yourself... so you don't worship mortals lol he is mostly factual, but certainly not always. He actually lies very regularly.( don't we all, to some extent). And brave? you all repeat this... he is far from brave.... he has no connection to bavery . The fact that people you know are extreme cowards... does not make someone else brave lol
@@farsalami8605interested in how I should educate myself? You don’t know how I’ve already done that. And a couple of questions:
Give me your evidence of when and how he has lied?
No connection to bravery? He’s reported from the midst of conflicts for years, putting himself physically in danger. But the real bravery? Speaking the truth. In a world where people like you only dream to conceive the notion as to what truth is.
@@farsalami8605also, your quip about worshipping mortals. I’m guessing that’s a dig against you worshipping the likes of “allah”. Whose false prophet is documented as marrying a 6 year old, consummating the marriage when she was 9, r@png and pillaging across the Arab lands, and basically stealing everything from both previous poly and monotheisms to create a new “religion” and subsequently birthing thousands of terrorists in years to come. No thanks buddy.
As he once said.. "I decided I want to be a part of the interesting conversations."
Don't you remember what happened to anybody who spoke against the trans fad? It's starting to pass now, so the people who speak against it now are hardly brave... He was also among the earliest people speaking our against open borders, covid tyranny and DEI... He's been tarred and feathered, called on to be canceled, verbally assaulted, insulted and no doubt lost many friends along the way... After all he was a gay liberal just a few years ago... He didn't move, you all just went off the deep end...
There's nothing courageous about following the crowd kid... Grow up...
As a Jewish American thank you both for talking about all of this I've been screaming about all of this to so many years and too many people aren't listening its driven me crazy but I'm happy folks like you two have spoken up you can reach many more then I ever could please keep going. And to my Christian brothers please Jews and Christians must stand together to defend our western society
I hope Douglas Murray becomes a Peterson Academy professor. This talk is filled with hope and love.
Oh my, what an experience that would be
I don't even try to say that I am anywhere near the Intellect of the two men speaking in this video. But I was raised by a mother that had a strong belief in God and she taught me the difference between good and evil. I think one of the most important things on earth is truth. That's what makes evil so hard to see because they have no truth. And they are willing to lie cheat and steal to achieve their end goals. I look at the governments of most countries in the world and see Politicians that are totally evil and have no regard for anyone. And I see the world going insane and am very surprised how many people are fooled by them. These guys are the hope for freedom and liberation from the insanity. Very good video well worth watching.
I'm left wondering why Western countries and Christians allowed themselves to become doormats?
The knowledge of the difference between good and evil does not require a superior intellect. It was seen in the plague that the less ' educated' people could see through the bs.
I am just taken back at how bad and fast things have gone, even though I was noticing things change about 20yrs ago. Insane is the best word to describe what is happening and guides my thoughts to wondering who and what is driving all this while feeling a strong sense it is failing. It is like a great culling of souls or feeding on them, evil. Let me end by sharing, I know a lot of younger folks and am very impressed that they see it for what it is, from all walks of life. Gives me hope and comfort. These 2 men are a good tonic for our world right now. Thank you.
Religious eh? How do you feel about Douglas personal lifestyle then?
Previous comment from an aware 15 YEAR old citizen - God Bless and stay true to the Wisdom that will mould your future! Jordan Peterson & DOUGLAS MURRAY are both seasoned intellects and truth itself will guide them!
Two of the bravest and noblest individuals on the planet. Thank you, Jordan and Douglas.
An outstanding discussion between two great public intellectuals. I've read three of Douglas's books and they were superb. He analyses all the issues so well and is totally fearless. He would be a great addition to Peterson Academy. Douglas Murray is one of our greatest living Britons and I hope that his speaking tour goes well. He was right to point out how such engagements bring together those who share his views, helping them to realise that they are not alone in their opinions. It is easy to feel isolated and without hope for the future when almost no one is willing to debate the issues in public.
I stand alone amongst many of my friends, family, and acquaintances who are all woke lefties and think I'm completely and utterly far right/racist, etc. bla bla bla
Not only one of the greatest living Brits, but one of the greatest most important people alive. Without people like him, we'd all be screwed
I have been wanting to see this conversation for YEARS... JBP and Douglas Murray... just bloody awesome!! Thank you both for your careful discussion of facts, and refusal to be "politically correct" or "woke" or "silenced" despite all of the very REAL attempts on your lives and livelihoods. YOU ARE THE CHANGE that we are looking for.
I am a Left Wing Atheist Danish guy, who is no longer politically homeless. I am on the side of these two people, and the rest, fighting Wokeism anywhere.
You’re probably not left wing any more then ! 🤷♀️ It’s happened to me too. I was a leftie all my life but apparently I’m now ‘far right’ !
@@Sewandsew58 I am Left Wing. The Wokesters are not. That's how I see it. They have dropped the Workers, Enlightenment Values, Universalism and a bunch of other things. That's not Left Wing.
Marx destroyed the left wing. Deliberately so. Before Marx the left was workers forming unions and cooperatives and coming up with their own ideas how they will improve their lives. Under Marxism working people were just cannon-fodder who were there to do as they are told or else be killed.
The idea of Marx was to latch on to a popular and just cause but subvert it from within. Marx set up two outcomes. A global catastrophe and utopia. Only by following the 'word' of Marx could you avoid catastrophe and reach utopia. In such a way he used fear and hope as powerful twin motivators.
Marx's real goal was to create hell on Earth (his poetry outlines this clearly). But he well understood the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.
In other words Marx understood if you want to create hell on Earth you can't simply tell people you are leading them to hell, you must get them to believe they are doing good and heading towards utopia.
Wokeism is just a modern incarnation of Marxism. The core tactics and goal remain the same.
People must not confuse Marxism for socialism. They are two opposites. Socialism is ordinary people having more say over their work and their lives. Marxism is creating a hell where ordinary people are reduced to slaves in a totalitarian hell.
Marxist Socialism is a contradiction in terms. If any socialist group is Marxist, it cannot be a socialist group.
Socialism MUST always be non-Marxist or else it cannot be socialism.
@@Dantegrey1Bang on! Totally abandoned the Age of Enlightenment/ Voltaire…the original “ progressives”. Woke is REGRESSIVE.
@@Dantegrey1the whole left has dropped the working class. They sneer at farmers & everyday people. They are all on the side of the elites. The left supports the woke. They are all about identity politics. More or less. I hope your fight from within won't be fruitless.
I used to be a leftist Atheist 15 years ago, as well.
I'm also an artist & my collegues are to 99% exactly the same. Socially & politically. It's sad!
I thought we were about freedom.
Douglas Murray is a brilliant intellect. He always speaks the truth & is the voice of reason in this insane world we live in
I love the straight forward approach. No fluff, no worship, just deep, thought provoking questions that will expose fakeness immediately
I never grow tired of Douglas Murray. This was a great discussion, but in all seriousness, I'd watch him mow the lawn if someone took the time to film it. 👍👍
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As much as i dislike him i also pity him.people are now starting to take apart his books as racist ramblings.hes getting more unhinged as it goes on.sad that americans think a posh accent is a substitute for being smart..
@@tomgallagher7870 whats racist about it? I'm not American btw lmao
@@Llkolii everything is.every single muslim is a terrorist according to murray
Wonderful as always Dr. Peterson. Your work is truly phenomenal.
Truly a gift.
Isn't that the truth. Thanks to New Media real thinkers have a way to communicate
judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Beauty, Truth, Purpose, and Sanity.
Jordan your interview with T Robin.....Son was SO amazing - it was very difficult and uncomfortable to watch but the best one I have seen x I felt his frustration and pain. The beautiful peaceful UK that I was raised in sadly now no longer exists. I couldn't leave a comment there as it was blocked but I just wanted to say THANK YOU to you and Tammy - honestly a top notch presentation and I hope the world watches it x
The world is much better when Douglas is here !
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so the world is now much better? loooooool good close youtube and enjoy it lol
@@farsalami8605 Maybe she wanted to say, our world is a better place with Douglas Murray in it, and I agree.
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Jordan Peterson and Douglass Murray? YES! 🙌👏
I have just finished the Daily Wire section and I’m actually without any words, which is rare for me. I am filled with pain and hope in equal measure.
I have a professional correspondent in Jerusalem and because I know and love someone in Israel, 10/7 hit me very differently than it did most Americans. It was almost as life-changing for me as it was for Israel. Since that awful day, I have immersed myself in the journalism and scholarship of people like Melanie Phillips and Caroline Glick and Douglas Murray and Benny Morris. So many others. I’ve taken pains to understand as much as I am able of the history of that conflict and have taken as much as I am able of the pain of that day into my heart. I don’t know what possible difference it can make to anyone, but I know it has made a life changing difference to me.
And I’ve watched enough of Douglas over the years to see and recognize the terrible change that came over his face after 10/7. It’s all there, in his eyes, what he’s seen and cannot talk about, and what will haunt him to his dying day, and it haunts me.
I see the same pain in Dr. Peterson’s eyes. I feel it in my own heart. It’s the “world sorrow” that Gerald Manly Hopkins sings of. The world sorrow put to music in Barber’s Adagio.
But the end of the conversation inspired me with hope and left me with tears in my eyes. And I think of Julian of Norwich, “All shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.”
With Ruth Anne’s love
Douglas Murray is an international treasure, not just a national treasure. Keep on gents…
Douglas Murray, such an intelligent, eloquent, charming man. If only more people would listen to him.
The problem is, he calls anyone who criticises 🇮🇱 an anti s e m i t e
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He asks himself questions and then answers them-hilarious!
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Douglas is the king of eloquence and intellect.
Well, he is a brit after all.
He’s a little englander pandering to what’s left of an empire that ransacked half the world for the aristocracy and left the ordinary English person living in poverty and squalor read your Dickens
I always feel privileged to be able to listen to intellectual titans from our world discuss matters relevant to our time. Thank you for this.
Two great minds in conversation. What a privilege to watch and be part of. From a backward country such as South Africa where I unfortunately have to reside, these podcasts of doctor Peterson is all that keeps me in the reality and truth of what is going on all over the earth. Thank you so much.
With what is going on around the world at the moment, in regards to cencorship and totalitarianism, we are lucky to have these two and others to speak freely and amplify this issue.
Yeah. But for how much longer? Probably not long enough before the Iron Curtain of full censorship descends
It's always a pleasure to watch two of my favorite distinguished people discussing current events in the Middle East and how it affects the West. Thank you! 😊
Two of the most brilliant and upstanding minds of our time, I always get excited when you two collaborate. This was an absolute joy to listen to, thank you both for all that you do in the utilization of your strengths to fight the good fight. Praying for and standing with my brothers and sisters in the UK and cheering you on as we fight our respective battles across the globe for our freedoms against the spreading Machiavellian evil seeking to enslave us all. Much love and respect from San Diego, CA, USA. ❤️🙏
Legal immigrant here and now a proud citizen to this country. Unfortunately, for too long the Gov has made it so difficult for those who don't bring much to this country, but they gladly let in people who start by breaking the law and violating this country's sovereignty. I completely understand why tax payers are tired of having their salaries slashed off and go to others, when one doesn't get much in return, if any. Thank you Jordan and Douglas, for speaking out! It's very sad that the people are not listened to and rather put all in the "far right" lot.
Well said
Here here, we are not against immigration but against open borders where we are getting an influx of mainly young aged ,unvetted men who we know absolutely nothing about and in some cases providing new identity’s for?, it’s dangerous for this country, and it is getting worse not only this the majority are not bringing anything to the table etc… apart from being a drain on the our society. We cannot sustain letting in this amount of people without it impacting everything , jobs, accommodation, education etc..
@@Whats_in_a_name_1 Maybe to work?, personal reasons?, either way he is contributing to the Country, not a drain on our Society?, so yes well said
My other half wanted to come home. Didn’t speak my language nor could practice their profession in mine.
I agree. Its the human rights laws that are used every time. There are lawyers in the country dedicated to finding every loophole for these ill intentioned people to live here. Good people should have ease to move around.
My two heroes, together. Always a joy. 🇨🇦🇬🇧
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I truly believe Douglas is one of the best thinkers of your time. Such a great man!
We are so fortunate to be able to open our phones and hear these conversations! Thank you for your intelligence and for bravely leading with your hearts. Valour in defense of truth and goodness is always beautiful! Well done, boys!
‘The bluff of compassion’ is a very good description of it.
I always learn more from 1 hour of discussion between these two men than I learned during my entire college education.
Dr. JBP has helped me immensely in a time of horrid stress ( terror might be closer to the truth).
DM is also a force of nature. I love his work.
These are two VIPs in my world. May God bless them both.
I'm a yemeni guy who suffered from extremism in my country and I totally agree with these smart men in the way how they explain what can extremists do not only in the west but worldwide.
Thank you for this real conversation.
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We've moved way past the extremists in your religion onto whether the entire religion is worth the problems it brings to our shores.
The short answer is it's not worth it
@@royjacobs1204sounds like you have summarily cancelled one religion for whoever is
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@@mcounlall9042 yes I have, I have corresponded with a number of other people on this thus we.
We agree that this particular ideology brings very little of value and is hugely problematic.
Yemeni, you'd be a rare bear in Canada.
Of all I have watched and listened to with Jordan, this is one with Douglas is the most powerful and applicable to me. I’ve viewed it now 2 times in its’ entirety. I now watch it again. Wow.
Thank you for discussing what many won’t. Tommy & Douglas are British heros.
1.2M gross migration into the UK in the last 12 month. This does not include illegal migration. Using net migration is misleading… The UK is losing skills & high net worth individuals in favour of many unskilled/low skilled & different cultures too fast to integrate. 9M people of working age claiming benefits & 51% of people receiving some form of state support.
I gave up & left the UK, working class, white, female, educated myself & work long & hard… it was too sickening for me to see the abuse of the benefits system, the unsafe streets, & standard of living decreasing. I was born in London, even though back then I was a minority white person in my class, the place is still unrecognizable from where I grew up.
The white working class is ignored in favour of non-Christian groups. There needs to be investment in the indigenous populations (not handouts).
I have no issue in CONTROLLED migration genuinely bringing skilled contributors to the economy who want to integrate.
The genuine asylum seekers are also welcome with the condition that they assimilate & contribute … currently the majority of these so-called asylum seekers are male of military age 🤷🏻♀️🙄… with very different views of women’s place in society & treatment thereof vs the UK. It’s dangerous.
Are we going to shut down the streets for every country’s nationals to celebrate their multiple national days? … except St George’s of course. It is ridiculous.
Yes, I went to London in 1997 and worked for 20 years before returning home to Ireland, I had a great time, great colleagues, great friends, it was ALL GOOD but I was never scared. Now I go back and only the areas where a house is a million pounds are safe. I would say that my friends in England are welcome to come here but our government is making all the same mistakes. That march down Tottenham Court Rd a few days after the awful attacks in Southport, that was CHILLING. There were so many of them. I'm really angry that a bunch of male politicians aren't determined to keep these people with so little respect for women out.
I’m half South African / English and been living in England for 26 years now. I’m in Kent, so only 15 mins from central London and go up there a couple of times a month, to meet up with mates for a bit of grub and a few drinks. It is so difficult nowadays, to find “an old English boozer”. Multiculturalism is great and I’m all for it, but it has come at the detriment of the English completely losing their identity / culture in their own capital. There is a massive issue in this country and it is only going to get worse. As soon as any Englishman celebrates being English, they are labelled racist / right wing!! It’s absolutely pathetic!! The world has gone mad
Watching from America, it’s sad to see your fall. I suspect we’re not far behind.
Brilliant to hear Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray together again in this recent discussion. Their thoughtful reflections and insights give hope amongst despair.
It is an endless pleasure to listen to the conversation of these two extraordinary and infinitely erudite gentlemen. I am very grateful to you for voicing your thoughts and sharing them with us. 🙏
This was epic, a million thank yous to the phenomenal Douglas Murray, what common sense that man speaks and this Brit is just so thankful for his standing up and not being cowed by this insanity that the UK is currently drowning in, thank you 🙏, and thank you Dr Peterson, fascinating discussion from both of you. 👏🇬🇧
I stand with Murray 100%. Who in their right mind wouldn’t? There ya go
Did you see Murray's interview with Shapiro where he said Israeli lives were more important than European ones?
@@joemerino3243 No. Why would he say such a thing?
@joemerino3243, please cite the episode. Because you're lying, and we all know it.
@@big_red_machine3547 His reasoning appears to be that there are fewer Israelis than European Christians. He also says Western Civilization would die (apparently literally westerners would die out) if Israel were destroyed, a rather dubious claim.
@@joemerino3243 I’m pretty sure that I saw that interview and I’ve read his books. What western civilization and Israel have in common is an enemy ideation , which states “First we come for the Saturday people, Then we come for the Sunday people”.
Mr Peterson and Mr Murray..I enjoyed your conversation immensely. There were ideas touched on that gave me much thought. Thank you.
Oh Douglas and Jordan, you give me hope in these crazy, dark times
Thank goodness for these two who can beautifully articulate what the rest of us are feeling!
We in the UK and other Western nations are in a fight to the death with the enemies within - our own kind!
Jews in UK about 2000 years.
Jews did not gang rape, did not live on welfare, did not try to change the local religion, did not commit terrorism. ❤️🇮🇱❤️
True, they never want to take over countries either
You both are on the money. I watch you both continuously. Why? Because many of us see what you are saying, and celebrate the fact that you are speaking out for so many of us. We can’t gain the same notoriety, and get people to listen to us. Thankyou so much, for your effort, pain and heroic suffering, on our part. We are listening and supporting you!
A community of people with the same values and concerns, I very much apprecieated Douglas coming to Australia. Thank you.
Incredible interview. Wake up Canada 🇨🇦 Was so blessed to hear Douglas live at Tafsik event and the Munk Debate with Natasha in Toronto 👏🏻👏🏻🇨🇦🇨🇦
You guys are our heroes. Heroes of the people. This is fundamentally a war, you are warriors, warriors for humanity against evil Satan himself, manifesting as human elites. We must resist in every way possible. God bless and protect you both 🙏
You ARE army of Satan.
Point of correction: It was NOT a protest march, it was a rally and family day called Uniting the Kingdom. That day was beautiful sunshine in London, whilst across the channel in Paris it poured with rain on the first day of the Olympics.
Apart from a couple of small idiotic activists, there was such a huge and happy crowd and so much to watch and play, that most did not notice the usual chaos-starters. They all met in Trafalgar Square and stayed there and had a lovely day, all together and everything was cleared away at the end.
You're right to point that out 😊was at both rallies and they were fabulous
In israel we have a saying "those who show pitty to the crule will show cruelty to the innocents" we see it going down in the uk. The government will show cruelty to the innocent British patriot to protect islamic terrorists from consequences for their cruelty
In a world of Al Jazeera and BBC, we can find hope from the fact that people like Professor Peterson and Mr. Murray exist.❤
Douglas is one of the few sane and brave voices out there.
sane... mostly yes. But brave? Really? You are a kurd ( i'm guessing ) don'yt you know or have heard about a 1000 people more brave that Douglas and nobody knows them ? lol
@@JinJiyanAzadii This is just having the same conversation again that we've been having for a decade or more now .
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Absolutely agree!!
@@farsalami8605Who cares Dimwit. It’s bedtime
Douglas is a national treasure Brave as a lion. A sad day when he leaves the truth teller arena.
I visited England for the first time a month ago and saw fencing around a Winston Churchill statue outside of parliament. I’m a Mexican American veteran and felt truly sad to see this.
@@kal-el5535 glad they have fenced it now sick of tits trying to destroy it
Ironically it was Churchill that helped break Britain
Two beacons of light in a ever decreasing dark word..
God bless them both from all the people living in the uk 🇬🇧
Why would God bless 2 pagans like Murray and Peterson.
Thank you Jordan and Douglas for having conversations like this. I believe they will work towards the saving of Western Civilization.
"I'm a devotee of the idea of returning to the sane and the normal and the pursuit of the beautiful and the true." That brought tears, Douglas, because I cannot imagine a life NOT lived that way. But then I think, perhaps poverty, or the lack of feminine influence, makes for a baser existence. Some people have no concept of those ideals. How fortunate we have been. Must add, I adamantly don't want anyone disrupting our western way of life.
I live in Thailand and tell women they are pretty all the time (including little old ladies) and they tell me I'm handsome. It's natural to appreciate each other and stifling that is a type of soul sickness.
Sadly, it's been the feminine influence, that is the feminist influence which has proved to be a major causal factor in creating the situation we are in now.
I am not an intellectual but I have really enjoyed listening to you both. I agree with everything Douglas Murray has said because he speaks the truth.
Thank you Dr Peterson & Douglas Murray. Always a pleasure to hear you both in conversation on vital matters.
Always a pleasure with 2 voices that "called" and will continue to call "it."
Douglas Murray , May God bless you and keep you for speaking truth!!!!!!!!
These two men together call to mind one of my favourite quotes from Winston Churchill: “Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, for, as has been said, it is the quality which guarantees all others.”
Two of the most crucial modern thinkers of our age, sharing this crucial conversation with us. Brilliant. Thankyou.
I admire and respect Dr Peterson for his rational thinking and logic. His academic work and his lecturers are inspiring. Since delving into the political realm, there has been a relaxing of fact-based rational thought and a drift towards a biased agenda which has undermined his credibility.
Perfect timing! Cardio time!! Dr Jordan Peterson is my favorite to listen to on Cardio days!!🙏
What is mssing is what Douglas Murray is bringing up.... history is not only about tyrants, its also about heroes in all walks of life. It about noble ideas and about the value of human life. Its about the preservation of great places and a culture that is formed by love✝️ despite all obstacles. Murray knows that you have to fight to keep the good. He hopes that it can be done without war but knows that it may be too late.
Yes it’s too late. We are already in war
It's amazing to listen to two intelligent deep honest thinkers, that just speak the truth in plain language that is simple to understand, yet profound in its depth and very passionate in its expression
The Magnificent Douglas Murray who been touched by an ANGEL,there is no one like him that speak 🗣️ with such integrity,honestly and courage ❗️He is mesmerising wit his wisdom and knowledge ❗️thank you Jordan❗️
Mo Hijab has a good response video to him
@@randomhuman2595 so you say…..no one can debate D.M and stay alive
@@rachelbuzaglo904 I could
He has a gift. Truly, he could read the telephone book and it would be mesmerizing and insightful.