@@Snakebloke And the majority of the few who CAN use their brains to recognize things have been fooled into thinking it's all pareidolia. Those aren't real patterns you're seeing. Shut up, conspiracy theorist.
@@NukeCloudstalker You'll be elderly too one day, so paying for the old is a "nice" if unsustainable idea. That's the whole point of it, it's a policy born of empathy. Unfortunately, so is the idea that we can just import the third world and everything will be fine. You can't build a country on a foundation of empathy and good feelings.
Im currently subsidizing all my 3 children to have kids. I gave my 2 daughters 10k each to help them have a second child with their husbands. They all have jobs, but literally couldn't afford to go off for a year so i gave them what would be inheritance now. Also because the government, in time, would have stolen it from them.
"Hey mom, why'd you decide to have me?" "Meh, someone told me they'd give me 10k for it, so I decided, 'fuck it.'" *kid literally starts crashing tf out*
Are you going to give them the means to fix it? Of course, women don't want to have children with men they can't rely on. Men who expect them to work and then tend to the home and clean up after their husbands. I want children so much. But it's not possible. We can not afford it and no men are worth having children with.
The don't. It's your problem... if that "civilisation" you care so much about was all that, they wouldn't need any suggestions to keep it up. Women are not brood mares for the state to pump out units for your retirement. Get fcked.
Using immigration to pad population decline is doubly evil when you realize that even if you ignored all the other issues that unmitigated migration causes, within a single generation the immigrant family's birth rates match that of the greater society. Almost like the causes of birth rate decline are related to something societal.
I have been saying this for years to everyone even in HS, no one cared, instead of trying to figure out why birth rates are declining their solution is just to put a band aid on it, and import as many people as possible.
"Almost like..." Now explain that to a politician, and you will get immediate agreement. But then try and convince them that it's not solvable through a "program" or "doing more" but simply taking less money and demanding less from people and focusing on their actual job of safeguarding laws and infrastructure and borders and trade security...
@@skylinefever I collect Roman coins and it's a scary thing to hold centuries of cumulative debasement in your hands. You don't notice it when it's paper, but when you can hold a denarius from the high empire and compare it to a debased denarius, and then an antoninianus, and eventually the debased, almost entirely base metal antoninianus from the Crisis of the Third Century it really is eerie and spooky, the decline is visible and everyone on the ground buying stuff or selling stuff could see it happening in real time over the course of their lives. We don't see it and we get to ignore it, and that's what scares me more than anything else about our problems in modern Western civilization.
@@darkmantlestudios it was never purely one child, there were exceptions, and the law was amended to allow two starting 2015. It was later amended to allow 3, and than dropped altogether. Still, it's believed that the public didn't exactly started multiplying.
Well, yes, the issue of the 1CP was that it relied on a farmer caste that valued children to absorb work and food requirements. Feeding the rich, needed more farmers. And a middle class to support the poor and the elites. As people moved into cities, the growth doubled in a short span of time, and idiots got antsy about the growth being uneven. Now that these children are in retirement age, they now need a series of disasters to cleave the elderly away from their lack of children and finances to pay millions in hospital and retirement costs per person, which local government is vastly unable to handle a 50+ % retired people who cannot feed or house others.
I remember being taught as a kid that 1930s Germany awarding women and families who had a lot of children was a ridiculous and 'backwards' notion, yet anyone with a functioning brain should be able to see that that was a great idea.
Shhh. Not allowed to say that anything good ever came from Germany. The Starmer will have you extradited to the UK for the capital crime of being mean.
The real problem is that like most socialist programs, it was gamed to death and wasn't really a success. Also, the fun cognitive dissonance of the Germans requiring living space, while attempting programs to increase the number of Germans.
It's pretty simple, we used to have a society engineered around growing people, families, communities and culture, and now we have a society engineered around making money.
Given how Florida PD does not like the WEF agents, when Scotland Yard demands extradition of wrongthinkers, Florida PD will probably tell Scotland Yard to?feck off.
And therein lies the problem. As a Brit, you aught to liberate your homeland, not avoid it. You were lions, once. Hell, my family comes from there. We were lions, once. Let's be lions once more.
Immigration actually lowers the fertility rate by increasing the cost of housing and the population density. Hard to measure but people tend to have more children when the population density is lower. That's why even in the modern world, rural families tend to be bigger.
possibly. in otherwords there is a subconscious niggling in our brains telling us theres already too many of us for the available resources. in which case the only possible solution IS population decline in densely populated areas.
This is a scaling problem then. If density is to blame, then let's assume we have a 3.0 fertility rate. The country with the density will get more and more dense as time goes on no matter what assuming no population movement.
@@thanatosdriver1938 Higher density = lower fertility so a population will reach an equilibrium over time. Obviously that's a simplification there are many other influences on fertility. The point about immigration it doesn't change our population significantly a hundred years down the track it just means our own genetic inheritance will be diminished and diluted. When the British (mainly English) first settled mainly empty North America they had a fertility of around eight children.
@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 "a hundred years down the track it just means our own genetic inheritance will be diminished and diluted." no such thing, we are all the same species, nothing else about us is genetically significant enough to matter. besides genetic diversity is a good thing for a species, it makes it adaptable to changing environments, homogeneity (what you call genetic inheritance) is the death knell of any species. " first settled mainly empty North America" the at least 4.7 million native americans killed by genocide campaigns or european diseases would probably have something so say about that if they could, since they can't maybe try not to rewrite around 100 years of american history. "they had a fertility of around eight children." sure 5 of which would probably die before adulthood, that might have had something to do with it.
If you didn't import millions of immigrants then the overcrowding disappears... houses are in abundance and cheap .. wages rise ... people are better off... people have large families.... like we used too.... unfortunately the rich lose out..... ahhhh thats why this is happening 😮
@@pwh1981 the second the red line pops in the entire financial system is gonna implode and nothing will matter anymore, then its our turn to reach to power and restore the order
Tucker Carlson said something interesting: Happy people with opportunities in life naturally create children. This is not the situation for most young people in the West today
WRONG! Syrians still got married and had children at the height of the civil war. These are just boomer excuses. Childlessness is not an economic problem, it's a spiritual problem.
@@alidaraie The most frequent attitudes during a war are "This is not my problem" , "This will never reach me" , and "This will be over soon". The idea of pausing and waiting a problem out is also going to be much less powerful in undeveloped societies where people aren't as used to structuring their lives period. During particularly intense or prolonged conflicts, however, the birth rate drops, it absolutely does. Finally, there is no need for one reason to be exclusive to the other. There are about a dozen important factors that affect childlessness, if not more.
Have you seen the vids from Britain? The newcomers are keeping the locals in check with knives and other weapons, while the Police look on and do nothing. The locals are powerless. Until they get creative and determined.
"the new population which is willing to accept overarching government control, as its all theyve ever known." really? the no go zones are doing that? please go to the nearest sharia patrol and ask for a citation that supports what you said
They've been set up really bad, though. When it collapses and they're still in the nest, mouths open and waiting to be fed, they're going to realise with dawning horror that they have to stand up for themselves and get things done... it should be horrifying to see my species collapse in on itself, but it's actually rather therapeutic. We deserve no less.
Good women are rare, but they are out there. You won't find them on the mainline dating apps though. I found mine through church, and she and I will make sure to have kids to populate whatever the future holds. I thought this was outside my reach for a decade now, but here I am, preparing to ask her for marriage. Don't give up hope, and it won't give up on you. Make sure you have none of the vices that you don't want to see in your spouse: Make sure you are free from degeneracy, make sure you are fit and healthy and not lazy, make sure you are an interesting person to talk to, make sure you are well read and well prepared for fatherhood. But don't spend forever putting off meeting women. You will not be complete when you meet your spouse, and part of growing will have to be done together. I used Catholic Match for a dating site, and it worked eventually, although if you aren't Catholic this is obviously not an option for you. I also know that my parish has been putting on events specifically for single adults to meet eachother, because my Priest sees it as the duty of the church to help his congregation find their vocation, which for most people is marriage. If more priests did this, it would be a BIG deal for the church and the world.
Have you considered adoption? You'd not be helping with the birthrate but don't underestimate the huge importance of people being raised by families as opposed to the state.
It's important to note that white conservatives who live in more rural areas still have above replacement fertility, this is especially true for white Protestants in the US. And the foreigners we're importing actually have the fastest falling fertility because they're concentrated in big cities. So, while the situation is bad, it's not as apocalyptic as many people in our sphere think. We're going through a bottleneck, and leftists won't actually make it through.
There legitimately is no "labour shortage" there is a cheap labour shortage with rising unemployment. Immigration is not "intended" to solve a fictitious labour shortage, it is intended to cause it, since it inherently pushes wages down and increases living costs.
Because you cannot possibly import enough people to supplant what is needed. If the current economic calculus destroys the current native population and does not change, it will just destroy every population that is absorbed into it, like a black hole.
No one "permitted" young people to think only of themselves; they oppressed them into believing there is no hope for the future. It's worse than you can imagine.
@@DextraVisual Just two different competing views of the world. There is a big group of people who see humanity as a blight on the world and think the planet will be better off without people. There is another group that sees the world as thing that was made for the benefit of the people.
@@electricpaper269 The immigrants are only half the problem. It's not legal to rent these properties out to illegals, but these landlords are doing it anyway and the cities/counties aren't doing anything about it.
But the sheer pressure will also forge them into a shape capable of taking down the aristocracies by any means ne cessary, without milk sop morality and fear of losing (nonexistent) comforts and (undeserved) national loyalty to inhibit them.
@@ianmedford4855 People only mobilize to fight AFTER they have lost their homes or children. As long as their family has a place to sleep and food in their mouth they will not do anything about the crime, fires, corruption, evils, loss of freedoms and loss of country happening outside their home.
Yep. I have a hypothesis: Liberalism is actually a Greek idea in origin, like democracy- the Athenian Citizens. I suspect the Greeks caught on what they had was frail. That civilization doesn't only collapse from foreign invasion but from nature and human passions. So they offered these enticements, but the real point was to create a specimen that could endure all forms of dissaster. So they were never meant as a "moral good to strive for"
@@vileluca Serfs didn't own property. They still had kids. So, imagine thinking that's the actual root of the problem. Note that most of the countries in the world with the highest birth rates are the poorest ones and many with decent life expectancies and low infant mortality rates.
@@InternetHydra If we had any sense we'd limit voting to married men with at least two children. We'd solve so many societal problems if we did that. But we have instead gone down the narcissistic route.
AND citizens were even halfway decent with finances. But they're not So we either allow for natural consequences, or pay to cover the natural consequences on their behalf
@@Ko_kBI’m of the belief that those things go hand in glove. In my opinion you’ve both seen the same problem but are just seeing different sides of the same coin.
wrong, women have always worked, it's just that the norm has always been family business... Leaving your house to go work for someone else, somewhere else is the exception that has destroyed families, hence nuked our fertility rates...
I am doing my part ! I have 1 kid , second on the way. 3rd in planning and 4th in debate with my beloved wife. Family is the most important to me now. Always was. As he nation has failed and is falling. I will do my best to preserve and prepare my own bloodline. No matter the cost. They will know who came before them and who they are , as heirs of my culture and family history. I will pour my love and lifeblood into raising them proper and helping my wife as a partner in doing so. I am planting a tree that will (god willing) grow into the future. And I can only preach and promote this joyous message. Children are a miracle and the spring of life. They will demand much , but in time , will give you way more in return. Be fruitful and multiply !
Populations have a natural homeostasis. When people are dying more, we have more children. When people are growing old and dying less, we have fewer children. More advanced societies are trying to decline in population, but over time we will start having more children. If we are importing millions of people, the natives who built the society may never feel like homeostasis has been met because there are always way too many people. By the time we feel that it is time to have more children, it will be too late because we will have lost the country and society our grandparents built for us. We will have been replaced by the foreigners who will likely revile us and have spite towards our claim to this land and society.
Competency crisis is coming, and the new engineers and doctors cant fix crap, we need farmers and builders, soon these sistem cant mantain crap and well one of two or they have more childrens wich will be need to enter labour force earlier or colapse, and is like Sargon said, womans dont want to choose, well nature and reality will choose
Some cultures are a decade or two ahead on this and they aren't seeing a bottom yet. We have the assumption that females marrying the state is a salvagable condition.
Speaking as someone in my late 20s, I would love to have kids. I'm sure I'm not the only one. The issue is that a weak economy and astronomical housing costs make it almost impossible to "build a nest", and social tensions and political unrest make me feel too insecure to "set down roots". Mass immigration is making all of the above worse, which lowers the birth rate further, thereby prompting more immigration. It's a downward spiral, and we - the British people - are victims of it. I would rather be in the situation that Japan is in. It's better to fill gaps in the workforce with robots than with millions of immigrants, because the robots won't commit crime or try to change your culture.
100%. I think about how as many managerial elite there are in Japan, not having loads of immigrants is higher a priority than line go up next fiscal quarter.
Soon enough you'll be in your late 30's, wondering if it is too late. Then you'll be in your late 40's, wondering the same. You just have to saddle up and do it dude. People have done more with less.
Looking at the arc of history, folks didn't build a nest prior to having kids. Social tensions and political unrest is correlated with high birthrates - if you believe in your culture. Here are some folks with high birthrates currently: Israel, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yemen, Mali. All really placid and politically stable locations! I agree that mass immigration is making it worse. But economics and politics isn't directly the cause - it is a combination of effective birth control and widespread porn, and empowered, educated women and not believing in our mixed, confused, muddled culture.
I warned a community I was a part of for over 20 years that this was coming. Right before they banned me for wrongthink. Before I left I told them, "You may never say out loud that I was right, but one day you will think it."
I did my job, My husband and I raised 3 daughters who now have 5 children among them, oh they are married! All this in a small city in Michigan, U.S.A. You're welcome.
@@jacobestersonbut you literally see people act just like the mice described in the published article. If it’s BS, it needs to stop being so prescient.
This procedure is worth the risk becauae i as the dr dont face that risk and if you die oh well i got golf tomorrow. You know who hates the medical profession the most? People with experience in it
@@jhoughjr1 It is a scam. Half the people in the medical industry don't have any clue about health. Saw an EMT that was easily 300 pounds. It is all about "treatment" and never about finding real cures.
This is exactly why I advocate for healthy living among my young adult peers. The reality is the quality of healthcare in our elder years simply isn't going to be there, so the pressure is on us to make healthy choices today so we simply don't need care in the future. The best healthcare is the care you don't need.
@@chemicalfx_v2 Could you please answer me a question Mr Andersson? I have been thinking about immigrating to your country. I wanted to know if children in Sweden have to be vaccinated to attend school?
Attended a hustings in my town (a cathedral does not a city make of 60,000 people). No young people (under 50) - disconnected most likely (my sister, friend and I were one of seven including the camera guy). The questions posed to the would be representatives arrayed around climate change, justice for disabilities, planning permissions for the building of a Mosque, etc. I'll never forget one of the later questions - a 70 something year old woman asking why politicians are apologetic about higher taxes, and how they need to be paid in light of pensions, the Ukraine war (there may have been others, but I forget). The appalling selfishness of it was overawing. Her question was met with nods and acclamation of course. Our grandparents view us as chattel to be used and discarded, the salvation of the conservatives from electoral ruin was merely the expose. I struggle to think these people are owed anything, those who annihilated the inheritance of their fathers and parasitise their children.
@@mortuitissedai2085 Not all old people are fat and liberal! If anything we remember personal liberty which will soon be a dim memory for the people of England if not stopped! I look at you from far off in the U.S. knowing it will be coming soon to our shores (if not here already) and I mourn this insidious parasitic attack on our culture, history and wonder why it is tolerated. Why?
@@kathleenphillips6445look north to us in Canada. We didn't just tolerate it, the idea had standing ovations. Keep in mind we gave standing ovations to a literal SS Nazi from Ukraine not long ago...
My father, who is really old, always hated old people for that exact reason. He still calls Florida The Land of the Walking Dead. Now, I'm getting old. I hate old people. As a group, they are terrible people. When you have children, the children become the center of the universe. When they have children, the mantle passes to them. Any other arrangement is unholy.
@@kathleenphillips6445 You are all responsible. All of you. No forgiveness. Where o where did my country go Kathleen? Where is my people, my nation, my future? You ate it! You devoured it! And now I stand here alone, dying.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 sorry but I’m an American and have little to do with your pain except I have the greatest sympathy. Fight! Don’t weep, fight!
I feel for the .16th child. They are not all there to begin with. There is an old saying; "civilizations fall from within because of their success." They go crazy and lose their way. They forgot their first love and what it took to be so prosperous and start attacking the foundations of it.
@@skylinefever Possibly. But Dutton has a serious flaw that cuts at the core of his analysis. He still puts stock on academic research as the basis of his theories. Now, he has interesting hypothesis and some good points to consider, but I would put a *heavy* dose of salt on anything he says.
Question why did all our governments and media tell us not to have children and to wait until later in life! It’s all most like they wanted this to happen
Institutional inertia. You will still, years after the population implosion was recognized, hear people opine that there should be less people or that we're overpopulating the world. That's all these people heard from their school teachers for years, and a strong minority of people don't bother to update their knowledge as time goes on.
@@elizaj4431 The same professor probably also told you we need illegal immigration because native’s just aren’t having children!!!! Full circle they knew exactly what they were doing
Reducing the size of governments by 70% and significantly reducing their salaries and privileges which they don't deserve anyway, would help many countries save a few billion dollars at least.
We need a Trump / Milei character to come in, slash government and the welfare state to say 30 of what it currently is... no elective surgeries, no DEI officers, nothing for migrants (healthcare housing jobseekers DLA etc) except for those who have paid 25 years of taxes. Do it, be willing to use force against anyone who turns to crime to fund their lifestyle ... and then watch millions of migrants leave in droves.
@@Excalibur2 You don't do it all at once. You do it by attrition first. If that isn't enough then you cut YOY a manageable amount. If done over a 5-10 year period it'd be far more manageable and digestible by the economy at large.
Another factor to consider is how people, male and female, are scared of relationships nowadays because of how taboo the discussions around touch, sex and even the very concept of consent have become. Males are afraid of making the first move. They think any forward action may be hurting their partners, or worse, making their partner "believe" that they are being exploited, which will often result in being ostracized by society as sexual offenders, or arrested by false claims of abuse. Females are convinced that they are nothing but fragile victims that will get taken advantage of and should scream in defiance, they listen to their friends who convince them that they should feel traumatized for trivial reasons, that they "deserve better".
The entire thing comes down to women. They have destroyed any concept of the social contract. Why the hell would I even think to engage with a demographic that can destroy my life because she happened to feel some type of way. They are ruined gentlemen
I plan to have several children, not because I think I can reverse this phenomenon, but because I think we are going to have to go back very tight knit families where the young take care of the elders. Having large families will ensure long term survival
Nice idea, but what will most likely happen is an authoritarian government will steal your children from you "for the cause". Soviet Union, China, North Korea...all do it, and that was/is just for political survival, imagine when populations get desperate for people.
That clip at the end hit like a hammer after you set the context. Like watching a civilization laughing at its own death, not out of a defiance rooted in knowledge but out of a vapidity rooted in utter ignorance
I want to be a father but I am distrustful of women. Everyone always says "until you meet the right one," but I am not sure that I ever will. I'm not alone in that sentiment and that is a huge contributing factor for why population is in decline.
None of them are trustworthy. There's no telling the "good ones/unicorns" from the corrupted ones because a lot of the corrupted ones know how to conceal themselves long enough to ruin you
I’m starting to think the whole “Mr/Mrs Right” is propaganda. I don’t think people “back in the day” had such luxury that they refused every prospect until they found the one person in the world who was suitable. Pickings be slim, beggers can’t be choosers, and happiness isn’t the point of life.
people seem to be skipping over the reason why lads aren't getting married earlier, because taxes and regulations reached a terminal point where by the point you can properly afford a house and children, you are 35
Again, I see that as an excuse. It's going to get worse and worse, they won't reduce those taxes, we either take it on the chin and have children - or we die out like the Pandas. Simple.
It's not just that, its half of all marriages end in divorce in a large majority of those are initiated by the woman, and once the divorce goes to court the guy stands to lose his shirt and access to his children. And even before you get to that point you have to find a woman who isn't married to her career or married to feminist ideology. I'm not even going to to start talking about the issues that you run into dating in your 30s and 40s.
I’m the result of these policies. I was raised by progressives. Actually- I was raised by a babysitter while my mother and father worked. I was constantly told about women’s liberation, how white people were terrible because of slavery and the American Indians being conquered. My father never shut up about how Christianity was horrible. I was always told that there were too many people on the planet anyway so it didn’t matter if I had kids. My femininity was never nurtured or protected. My parents never told me I was attractive or that my role as a potential wife/mother was important. I was allowed to have boyfriends at an early age., while simultaneously being told that women who got pregnant /married early were throwing away their lives. A career was the most important thing I could have. You can imagine what that lead to) I didn’t realize how r€t@rd€d my parents were until I had a conversation with them about Obama’s progressive tax plan and I was immediately struck with how unrealistic it was to expect people who worked hard for their wealth to get taxed more for their trouble. I think that was the first seed of reality that was planted in my brain- but by then it was very late. I was at least 30 by that time, and I never wanted to be a single mother…. So it never happened. Keep in mind, I’m an ONLY child. So it’s over for that bloodline. I’m 53 now, so that ship sailed. Thanks for listening. I hope you do better than I did in this regard ❤
As we say in the south..."I hate it for you." My faith in Christ is the only thing that gives me hope to keep pressing on in this culture. God bless you.
@@shellyvonschtupp8618 that's a really sad story. I'm sorry you didn't get to experience children. The previous generations have successfully screwed us pretty hard. These are the prices of fraud I'm sorry to say.
Well, on the flip side, maybe if you'd had kids you would have hated the experience and been resentful of being forced into a role you didn't want. Kids are hard work, the pay is shit and it's usually thankless and unrewarding. If you've reasonably enjoyed your life then be glad - you never know how well, or badly, it might have gone.
The progressive lies are the real problem. Too many people focusing on cost of living. I know plenty of well off women who are very adamant they never, ever want to have kids. The older some of them get, the more they realize that's just not true and they were tricking themselves. One is 38, single, and is trying to speedrun through dating apps only to realize that the good guys have settled and all she's left with, that she's still attracted to, are perpetual bachelors who are only on the apps to sleep around.
Lord have mercy. I truly hope you find rest and peace in Christ and His Church. It may be too late to have biological children but you can still be a part of God’s family.
I have 3 sons. The eldest (43) is married, but they don't want children. The middle one (38) wanted children and a family focused marriage, but can't find the woman for it. The youngest one is 23. I probably won't live long enough to find out if he'd ever have children.
@@none1426This is how Ancient Rome operated. Only men who served in the military could vote. Only they were full citizens. Only they could enter government roles. Slaves taken by military conquest could become free citizens by serving in the military.
Women were granted the ability and duty to create the next generation. Men were granted the ability and duty to build and protect that next generation.
@@InternetHydra Unfortunately Liberal democracies with large welfare obligations will force men to uphold their obligation regardless of anyone's consent or desires. Unless you are willing to drop out and live in a box under the bridge.
So you go back to the Stone Age... there is no such thing as stagnant. There is a rising, and there is falling, but at no point is there a correct assumption that we can ever stay the same. That is the very temporary nature of human society.
I thinks it's less GDP and more the theft of social programs that the governments are worried about, either way it's hitting every country on earth now, Nigeria has lost 25% of its fertility since 1970s, so in the long term everyone is having less kids.
@@CaspertheSarcasticGhost probably not a stone age, if anything it be temporary with how much back up data systems and information across the planet. "The Dark Age" would be nothing comparable in the modern day, but that would be less dramatic for people to fear monger about.
While Sargon is right about women being the Terminus of civilization, they do not care, they do not care about the fact that them abandoning their duties will cause the civilazation that gave them everything they have to collapse. They are at best indifferent and don't care about preserving the civilization and more often actively hostile to it and despise it for some perceived wrong doing the society committed among them. Asking them to consider something other than themselves is like asking a fish not to swim. It will not happen.
Blame corporations and governments that made Real Estate almost impossible to afford. People would have more kids but they can't afford them and instead of helping them out, the governments prefer importing low quality third world immigrants instead. Ridiculous.
The corpos just want even more people fighting for fewer scraps. Establishment conservatism was fine with it because to them, line go up mean thing get gud.
Housing costs keep going up due to high demand from mass immigration and low supply due to planning laws. People then have to desperately try to outbid each the for the limited amount of houses and flats.
This is THE one area where Marx was unironically correct. Any and all rent-seeking - economic activity that simply takes wealth from others without creating new wealth, most commonly by land-owners charging rent - is fundamentally detrimental to human endeavor.
At least in the US, birth rate collapsed around 1960. Long before real estate went nuts. The problem is cultural and pharmacological. (The first pill came out in 1960.)
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe "economic activity that simply takes wealth from others without creating new wealth" I think you just broadly described the concept of someone paying money to someone else for something.
A part of it, is women telling men they want children to get them in a relationship. When really they just want a duel income and security to finance a life of always being one.
6:35 It seems a bit backwards to blame the young people of today for the collapse. Young people didn't create the unsustainable model. I would argue it was the older generation, who through voting and politics maintained said model. The problem of an aging population is one that you can see coming for literally a generation long. It is true that we couldn't have predicted fertility rates dropping as long as they have, but we knew for a very long time that a baby boom would eventually result in a lot of old people who need pensions and frequent and intensive healthcare. Maybe the falling birthrates is because young couples can't afford a good house to raise kids in. Maybe the decline of social services. Maybe they indeed see a very bleak future and wish simply not to force said future onto kids. All of these are valid reasons not to have kids and is in no way the fault of young adults.
You have a point but the real problem with the younger generation is that the only lessons they learn from their elders are the bad ones. They believe in promiscuous sex, socialism, tribalism and materialism uncritically. We've been due for a generation to come along and throw off the detritus of 20th century garbage philosophy for some time now but the rebellion never happens.
That’s why the elites in the developed world have pursued a policy of mass immigration. They saw what was coming down the pipe decades ago and thought that they could fix it by bringing in a replacement population. Unfortunately for them this social experiment, like all others before, has ended in disaster and has only accelerated the decline and collapse of these societies. Immigrants tap into welfare programs at a far higher rate than the native born population and their need for resources further suppresses the birthrate. Rather than let the issue solve itself by allowing the free market to correct itself via deflation they have only served to amplify the problems that we face today
If you put 10 fish in a pond that can hold 20, they will breed. If you put 20 fish in a pond that can fit 10, they won't. Historical data shows that the UK has a natural prefered population at around 56 million, and when that number started to get exceeded, emmigration numbers SKY ROCKETED. Then something sussy happened in the 90's and the population started to pass this cap. When that happened, emmigration started climbing to keep pace, and now we have 2 million people coming over here every year, and 2 million people emmigrating every year. If they stopped immigration right now, we will still lose around 20 million people to emmigration.
But father Sargon says number must go up. Can only go up. The UK will be destroyed in fire if number not go up. With 8 billion humans on earth. More than there has ever been. In 1960 there was only 3 billion. The world wasn't ending. I do think there are too many humans on earth. The ever increasing difficulties in society seems to be the result. With robotics and automation coming along. A population collapse might even be fortuitous. What happens when there's 90-95% unemployment?
So effectively what is happening is low birthrate whites are leaving in exchange for high birthrate muslims. It's likely that within one or two generations Britain will be an Islamic country.
Personal anecdote. I just had a cousin who had twins. My entire family is very excited for them despite us all realizing how much of a handful it will be. I shared the news with one of close colleagues at work who is a very modern default progressive woman. Her first response was literally "I'm so sorry". The response was bizarre, but what I expect from most normie moderns. We have an entire generation of people believing that children are a scourge to personal freedom and a good life. We are both in our late 20's. Praying for this generation and working to undermine the belief structures in as many as I can.
I will say. There's nothing wrong with population decline, as long as it doesn't continue forever, which it won't. Because there are groups of people in every society who are still having children, and those groups will survive. What is wrong, Is tnemecalper noitalupop (had to be written backwards). Which is the real threat these countries are facing, because while major population decline won't destroy your country, it will make the economy pretty rough for a while, and there are certain people who really hate losing money, and they'll do anything to line their pockets. Including wholesale betrayal of their nation.
Going up and down shouldn't be an issue, but the volatility. If stocks doubled and halved every other day the stock market would have no participants. Having some cultures dissolve in a decade and others explode upwards is a disaster waiting to happen. Even moreso its a disaster unfolding.
Couldn't have put it better. The people who do not wish to have children simply won't have them. And their bloodl!nes will d!sappear when they pass. Those who do wish to have children, will keep having children and their children will do the same. But as you say, the pop replmt is the issue. And our elites are completely possessed by the Sin of Greed. Something must be done before the damage they inflict is irreparable. :(
There's nothing wrong with NATURAL population decline, but we don't have that. And, the decline isn't the issue, the entitlements and other policies are.
The issue right now is that as the population ages into retirement they will vote for policies that will further depress the birthrate so that they can preserve their welfare benefits. Most of the developed world is so far down this rabbit hole that anything short of massive political reform won’t fix the problem, but those reforms will require a lot of people to greatly suffer and that is a platform that any politician can hope to be voted in on. Don’t be surprised over the next ten years if you see the youth hoisting dictators into power to force these changes through an unwilling system in much the same way that Caesar had to do to save Rome
Carl saw a tiktok of 26y/o women thriving and having fun and decided to write a video about how we need moar babehs instead of minding his business and rasing his child.
As I get older I'm feeling less upset or frustrated at my inability to form intimate relationships, but more guilty and ashamed. My social incompetence, cowardice, and self neglect is depriving my mother of grandchildren, and my grandparents (who may not have many years left) the opportunity to see their great grandchildren.
Don't worry lads I'm not crying myself to sleep or anything, this isn't self pity it's self reflection. Acknowledging your flaws is a prerequisite for improvement.
@@thanatosdriver1938 Uh, no? So long as they get married first, that's a good thing. You forget, until recently (1920) the marriageable age in the US was 12. In most states, it's 16.
Minor addendum: immigration does help the labor but only unskilled labor. Skilled labor is dying and trades because people can dig ditches and move objects but building things that don’t collapse is not easy
Absolutely. Plus many of those skilled labor jobs still treat everybody as disposable and pay badly. The C Suite removed the incentive structure for company loyalty and hard work, and expected the same amount of it.
@@electricpaper269 if the engineers have nobody skilled enough to perform the work then there is a problem. Also for every 7 people retiring or leaving the trade, only 1 is entering. And I can assure you that the quality of trade schools has also diminished with the decline to exacerbate the issue further.
@dooby6400 it’s not easy but it’s a daily reminder to enjoy every little moment with them, take nothing for granted! I have non verbal 3 year old twins and I hope in heaven they will talk if they don’t before the time comes! In the meantime we have fun regardless what’s going on outside our little bubble😊
I would much rather the Gov't stayed out of it. As it is I'd rather everybody be responsible for themselves. Though we'd need to repair the broken family issue. Before children took care of their aging parents but now everyone relies on the state, which is exactly what the state likes.
This is where I fully disagree with the change and that abortions and such are the reason for less infant birth. Where the birth rates are high.. you know why they are high? Cause kids can do work for the parents, thus make money and sustain minimal costs. Now bringing back child labor is ABHORRENT! But there in lies the problem. "COST" and even you point out in earlier articles that a child is seen as a luxury.... And you know why Korea is dipping? Not cause "They have abortions" No.. it's the fact "They don't have time to even persue a relationship." You know make bonds, be friends, date and get to know people. This is also a serious problem in Japan where the Government stepped in and said: "Force mandate holidays" Another thing you can contribute is the internet as it's just as a loose connection on birthrates like abortions. But in reality.... everything has been getting more expensive, everything has been getting more taxed, everything is taking more time but you have to do more to keep up. So thanks to studies in Japan and Korea... where most people have only 1 day to do something for themselves. What do they do? Chores, Shopping, then watch some tv/videos/play some games/do a hobby then go to work the next day. Heck Greece is introducing a 6th day work week. Only 1 day of no work....cause Greece isn't doing well. And in reality.. most people technically work 6 days a week anyway... cause either both parents have to work or 1 parent works two jobs. The reason birthrates are going down is not cause of abortions. It's cause... most people cannot do the following things: - Buy a suitable house for a family. - Find a stable job for two adults. - Have costs for transportations. - Time to stay in shape/health reasons. And that all trickles futher down. Housing crisises are everywhere in the western world. So most people CANNOT afford a house or even find a decent one. OKay.. so you stay with your parents for longer. Wich another study points out. People are staying with their parents till their 30's. (Hey look 30's came back) When they have to a degree, no one wants to hire them cause they want someone with expirence for an entry job. Wich pays less. So to get your foot in the door.. you gotta work as an unpaid intern. So you gotta intern, to get expirence for 3 years and then you can get paid BELOW the same as a non entry level job. So let's say you are 21 with a decent degree... or 25 with a higher degree. For 3 years you gotta intern or maybe longer. Now you are 24-25 minimal, 28-30 for higher degrees. AND NOW YOU CAN START MAKING MONEY! While housing is next to impossible to get. Of course you can also start interning at 18 and gain expirence that way.. but even so.. you still need 3-5 years expirence. So again.. you are already pushing 21-23 for an entry level job. And most end up on a lower level job cause that's the only way in otherwise. And those who skip college? They got jobs where they are being kicked around as well. Also... high level paying jobs what colleges provide are oversaturated with.. THE OLDER GENERATION. They don't want you to take THEIR MONEY/JOB they want you to do "THEIR JOB" for less. So why are birthrates declining??? Simple.. "There is no economy to support children at the moment" The pandemic did a huge number on the value of work. AI is lowering that value faster. Work of any kind is becoming less valuable. You need to do more to stay in the race and the positions for what people need for a decent wage in a decent area.. drops every day. Meanwhile taxes go up, housing goes up, a lot goes up. And yet every employee has to work more and more to stay afloat and live a comfort life for themselves. To have kids in this day and age is to give up that lil money and energy and time... to raise the next generation. And you are asked to do it twice on minimal. So most opted to wait till their economically stable... but... the pandemic made sure THAT WAS NOT A THING. 4 years after the pandemic started and maybe 3-2 years after... society has not been able to recover. We were warned before the pandemic this was happening in Korea and Japan. After the pandemic? Everyone followed suit.. since no one saw the warnings and now.. a population decline has come. Just like certain rich folk said would be good for the envoirment... but that's tinfoil hat talk if I go into that. In the end.. it's lack of faith or abortions that is the problem. It's the inheritent economy of time and value of your time that has shifted too much. And I know this.. since a single bedroom appartment I bought.. doubled in price to the point it costed as much as a family house due to it being near the city with in 6 years. This is the truth of population decline. If the government is too busy taxing the people to solve problems, cost of living goes up... even increases wages won't change a thing. As it would just increase prices again... causing inflation. To fix the problem.. is for the government to give back to it's people. To incentivice people to have kids and spend time with them. And maybe.. to force companies to keep parents around with less time. Maybe by incentive of funding or... simply lowering taxes on those who have children.
It's actually ridiculous how many time I've heard "Capitalism requires permanent growth" meanwhile it's literally our anti-capitalist welfare programs that do in fact require permanent growth... instead of just letting people have the personal responsibility to succeed or fail on their own merits. People actually can't even see it because they are blinded by their own ideological need to feel righteous. How dare I suggest that someone who never invested in their future doesn't deserve one at the cost of everyone else! What exactly happens when that individual becomes the majority? Well, you need a LOT MORE people to steal from. Doom spiral.
Realistically, you aren't going to convince women to have kids that they don't want without force and violence. Western societies could easily support the number of elderly that they will have if we don't do mass migration. Our societies were able to support full houses of rug rats in the 50s and 60s. But it would require cutting back on the political and economic power of the elderly, hence efficient healthcare that had a functioning price system, removal of incentives to have large, comparatively poorly utilized housing, and a boot load of other weird incentives the managerial class has created. Eventually, you'll have birth labs...
Ive said this before, the Terminus of Civilisation can never be stopped once it begins. The hope of Western civilisation will not be found in trying to restore what was, but building something new after it falls. All great civilisations had their epic struggle to build back what was, but never prevailed. I believe our time has come, and that we should focus our efforts on building a new people that will be the ultimate culminations of all the strengths of Western greatness. The lessons cannot be allowed to die. Better that a failsafe against extinction exist and never need than to need it and not have it.
Both Terminator & Doctor (Who) Tyler is based on futurepast children born by future events leading to one parent ending up on the past (whoniverse) Earth that then falls to some tincans and the dying mankind becomes the rulers over time to survive. In Who after getting saved twice times over to a harddrive that serves to store our souls in "Heaven and hell" until they are uploaded into blank multiform basestations... (the Master race) the glass people = the Master race save from when it died. And RIVERS the child of the TARDIS = heaven and hell the glass people ship the harddrive is part off... aka the Church of the papal MAINFRAME.. aka the Matrix on Trenzalore (the former burnt Gallifrey)
@@entropybear5847 more a manifesto, or collection of books on how to be a true reclaimer. Imagine a people with the stoicism of greek philosophers and the savagery of vikings and the mannerisms of English and French and the devotion and loyalty to a nation as Germany.
@@tonykennedy1615 Yes it is, and the romanticized delusion that it isn't is why we're always on the back foot. Power doesn't give a shit about you lamenting the words on the page. In fact the more time you spend doing so, the more time it has to brush you away with platitudes and focus on achieving it's own ends.
The problem is self-compounding. The elderly are now a magnet for certain kinds of people to enter our land, occupying homes which would otherwise be available to the elderlies' grand-children, thus hindering them from starting families. A wildcard solution is, rather than importing nurses, to export the elderly to the nurses' countries, where they can be treated by the same people at much lower cost.
@@ethansito5321 to be fair, many of those grandparents rent out their homes or just straight up sell them to blackrock instead of giving it to their family
This is actually THE best answer and it will definitely happen to the childless. Care homes are expensive, if you don’t have family then all your friends are dead by 90, nothing to keep you here if you are poor. Might as well hit the third world. Even if that’s bad! 😂 Cucked statists WILL allow this to happen, they allowed a mask which did nothing, this won’t affect anyone with ties to the community.
Because MAID is a thing. You can't have a healthcare problem if the population is 6 ft under, and those above ground know that if they complain of a cough MAID will be the solution to their problem.
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Fact that world population has increased nearly 3x in the last 60 years. World population from approximately 3 billion to 8+ billion. In 1960 there were plenty of people to maintain industry.
Maintaining industry with a primarily average 20-30 year old population is quite different than maintaining it with a primarily 50-60 average population. Least of all with no real industry left and the service economy based on the ponzie scheme of infinite growth and money printing unable to function anymore.
no, Ted was right in his methods too. it was the only way to get the message out there. he could have published it, but by now we know that the only messages that are allowed to spread are the ones the state already agrees with.
Thousands of years of men stating women's reality and we just threw that knowledge aside on academia's claims of misogyny. None of those -ist words are used with a true feeling of "you're wrong", they just mean "I don't like what you're saying". Cato thought that a woman's desire to spend money was a disease that could not be cured, but only restrained. St. Augustine said, "My suspicion is that the so-called innocence of women and children has more to do with the weakness of their limbs than the purity of their hearts.” Medieval and Victorian scholars also noted how, if societal norms were removed, women would be as promiscuous as possible.
I think Carl is missing a big part of the conversation by not addressing the astonishing reduction in male fertility. The female side of it is a societal concern. The male side of it is existential.
I agree that birth control and female empowerment aren't the only causers. Supporting a wife and two kids on one income is not financially feasible anymore. With divorce laws, the idea of long term commitment is less appealing to the breadwinner.
For people who actually want to provide them a good life - sure. But have you thought about being a dead weight and gaining benefits from them? Some people pop kids out just to get more money from the government.
I'm sorry but that's simply untrue. The issue is that people don't want to make their own lives less comfortable, to have children. If women in African tribes can have multiple children, so can we. It's just an excuse. It's Mouse Utopia.
i remember that ancient video where he demonstrated that the system we have now is worse than slavery by pointing out how owning slaves was more expensive than open borders.
That which mathematically cannot continue will not continue. But good luck explaining that to the average voter.
Yes, and I argue that many people are just trying to make sure it collapses immediately after people drop dead.
The majority of people aren't good at pattern-recognition. They are incapable of realising trends.
The first step is to start talking about it.
@@Snakebloke Most ''people'' dont have an inner voice
@@Snakebloke And the majority of the few who CAN use their brains to recognize things have been fooled into thinking it's all pareidolia. Those aren't real patterns you're seeing. Shut up, conspiracy theorist.
I find it fantastic that I've paid for social security all my life and will likely never see a benefit from it in my old age.
Social Security was a scam to buy votes from it's inception. It's the textbook Ponzi Scheme.
Paying for elderly and foreigners occupying housing that could be used as a base to start a family of your own. Fantastic
@@NukeCloudstalker You'll be elderly too one day, so paying for the old is a "nice" if unsustainable idea. That's the whole point of it, it's a policy born of empathy.
Unfortunately, so is the idea that we can just import the third world and everything will be fine. You can't build a country on a foundation of empathy and good feelings.
That's why @Whatifalthist preducts...'interesting' times ahead.
I don't think our society is going to go out with a whimper as Sargon suggests.
Yeah welcome to the club.
Im currently subsidizing all my 3 children to have kids.
I gave my 2 daughters 10k each to help them have a second child with their husbands.
They all have jobs, but literally couldn't afford to go off for a year so i gave them what would be inheritance now.
Also because the government, in time, would have stolen it from them.
Interesting, well done.
"Hey mom, why'd you decide to have me?"
"Meh, someone told me they'd give me 10k for it, so I decided, 'fuck it.'"
*kid literally starts crashing tf out*
@@Dr-Dre still better than all the children who weren't born because their mum didn't have $10k.
As someone who’s going through a similar situation, I know your daughters appreciate that more than what words can say.
You're actually helping may God bless you and your progeny
women will be OUTRAGED at the suggestion they need to contribute to fixing this problem.
Are you going to give them the means to fix it? Of course, women don't want to have children with men they can't rely on. Men who expect them to work and then tend to the home and clean up after their husbands.
I want children so much. But it's not possible. We can not afford it and no men are worth having children with.
They've been thoroughly indoctrinated
@@vault1549 They are not our "betters"
The don't. It's your problem... if that "civilisation" you care so much about was all that, they wouldn't need any suggestions to keep it up.
Women are not brood mares for the state to pump out units for your retirement. Get fcked.
it's not a coincidence Eve bit the apple. Eve listened to the snake.
Using immigration to pad population decline is doubly evil when you realize that even if you ignored all the other issues that unmitigated migration causes, within a single generation the immigrant family's birth rates match that of the greater society. Almost like the causes of birth rate decline are related to something societal.
It is somewhat vampiric isn't it.
short term gains for the investors and global hedge funds. They only think ahead to the next fiscal year.
Actually they tend to fall faster than the native birthrate, at least here in America
I have been saying this for years to everyone even in HS, no one cared, instead of trying to figure out why birth rates are declining their solution is just to put a band aid on it, and import as many people as possible.
"Almost like..."
Now explain that to a politician, and you will get immediate agreement. But then try and convince them that it's not solvable through a "program" or "doing more" but simply taking less money and demanding less from people and focusing on their actual job of safeguarding laws and infrastructure and borders and trade security...
the roman empire did the same thing. the last stage of its decline is immigrant migration. that lead to its fall.
I think about how they minted lightweight coins as a form of money printer go brrrr.
@@skylinefever I collect Roman coins and it's a scary thing to hold centuries of cumulative debasement in your hands. You don't notice it when it's paper, but when you can hold a denarius from the high empire and compare it to a debased denarius, and then an antoninianus, and eventually the debased, almost entirely base metal antoninianus from the Crisis of the Third Century it really is eerie and spooky, the decline is visible and everyone on the ground buying stuff or selling stuff could see it happening in real time over the course of their lives. We don't see it and we get to ignore it, and that's what scares me more than anything else about our problems in modern Western civilization.
It's probably inevitable at this point. The sheeple are following each other off a cliff edge...
We can prepare to build what comes next though.
I believe it was giving women the right to vote and own land.
@@ghostinplainsight4803 which wouldn't be an issue if women weren't so easily indoctrinated by groupthink
The China statistic is also believed to be "corrected" by the government, and the real one is estimated to be closer to the Korean one.
1 child policy just mathematically drops the rate to less than one frankly
@@darkmantlestudios China did away with 1 child policy "long" ago
@@darkmantlestudios it was never purely one child, there were exceptions, and the law was amended to allow two starting 2015. It was later amended to allow 3, and than dropped altogether.
Still, it's believed that the public didn't exactly started multiplying.
India has the highest population. India may become the world's leader of people. 😮
Well, yes, the issue of the 1CP was that it relied on a farmer caste that valued children to absorb work and food requirements. Feeding the rich, needed more farmers. And a middle class to support the poor and the elites.
As people moved into cities, the growth doubled in a short span of time, and idiots got antsy about the growth being uneven. Now that these children are in retirement age, they now need a series of disasters to cleave the elderly away from their lack of children and finances to pay millions in hospital and retirement costs per person, which local government is vastly unable to handle a 50+ % retired people who cannot feed or house others.
I remember being taught as a kid that 1930s Germany awarding women and families who had a lot of children was a ridiculous and 'backwards' notion, yet anyone with a functioning brain should be able to see that that was a great idea.
Shhh. Not allowed to say that anything good ever came from Germany. The Starmer will have you extradited to the UK for the capital crime of being mean.
Pay women to be married with their first husband and pay them for each child they have. Abolish all other welfare programs including social security.
They wanted to rule the world. They needed fresh meat to wage wars.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 I'm getting old, but can live with that.
The real problem is that like most socialist programs, it was gamed to death and wasn't really a success.
Also, the fun cognitive dissonance of the Germans requiring living space, while attempting programs to increase the number of Germans.
Carl...
I'd forgotten all about "gEn Z bOsS aND A MiNi!"
BUT NO! You had to dig up its rotting corpse and show it to the class.
Thanks, I hate it.
I don't know what that means.
For the last three generations, women were taught that life was unstable, and that all you could rely on was earning potential.
Makes want to take the Squidward way out and hand a bat to someone to bash me into oblivion.
what does it vene mean
@@archstanton9073it’s the last segment of the video 😂
Saying "The Pill and feminism has freed women from motherhood" is like saying "Welfare has freed men from having a job"
It's true tho.
It's pretty simple, we used to have a society engineered around growing people, families, communities and culture, and now we have a society engineered around making money.
Neo liberalism and it's consequences.
Or another premise such as “ don’t you all worry cause AI is immune from kryptonite. We got those cave crystals playing. It’s a breeze
And importation.. usual tribes
? i dont think money is the end goal, it is just a means to their goal
Capital has been separated from reality, and as such, it will end up as trash.
Nations are built bottom up, not top down. When the bottom is unstable, the whole nation collapses.
something about clay feet...
@@heavyhebrewA scholar of the biblical corpus I see.
Myth is the public dream.
Everything dies and is reborn. Enjoy the ride.
Watch out for Starm Troopers, Sargon. As a Brit, Britain is firmly on my avoid list.
Starm-Troopers, very appropriate
Given how Florida PD does not like the WEF agents, when Scotland Yard demands extradition of wrongthinkers, Florida PD will probably tell Scotland Yard to?feck off.
@@renaissancenovice7202 It's a keeper.
And therein lies the problem. As a Brit, you aught to liberate your homeland, not avoid it. You were lions, once. Hell, my family comes from there. We were lions, once. Let's be lions once more.
"Starm-Troopers"! HAH! My new favourite.
Even better than 'Comrade Starmlin'
Immigration actually lowers the fertility rate by increasing the cost of housing and the population density. Hard to measure but people tend to have more children when the population density is lower. That's why even in the modern world, rural families tend to be bigger.
possibly. in otherwords there is a subconscious niggling in our brains telling us theres already too many of us for the available resources. in which case the only possible solution IS population decline in densely populated areas.
Immigration was never about GDP.
This is a scaling problem then. If density is to blame, then let's assume we have a 3.0 fertility rate. The country with the density will get more and more dense as time goes on no matter what assuming no population movement.
@@thanatosdriver1938 Higher density = lower fertility so a population will reach an equilibrium over time. Obviously that's a simplification there are many other influences on fertility. The point about immigration it doesn't change our population significantly a hundred years down the track it just means our own genetic inheritance will be diminished and diluted. When the British (mainly English) first settled mainly empty North America they had a fertility of around eight children.
@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311
"a hundred years down the track it just means our own genetic inheritance will be diminished and diluted."
no such thing, we are all the same species, nothing else about us is genetically significant enough to matter.
besides genetic diversity is a good thing for a species, it makes it adaptable to changing environments, homogeneity (what you call genetic inheritance) is the death knell of any species.
" first settled mainly empty North America"
the at least 4.7 million native americans killed by genocide campaigns or european diseases would probably have something so say about that if they could, since they can't maybe try not to rewrite around 100 years of american history.
"they had a fertility of around eight children."
sure 5 of which would probably die before adulthood, that might have had something to do with it.
If you didn't import millions of immigrants then the overcrowding disappears... houses are in abundance and cheap .. wages rise ... people are better off... people have large families.... like we used too.... unfortunately the rich lose out..... ahhhh thats why this is happening 😮
But that would result in red line going down, not green line going up! (The secret is red line going down was inevitable anyways)
Absolutely. The "borders are racism" thing is a smokescreen. The rich have to have more serfs scrambling over fewer scraps.
We can't have line go down.
Destroying everything that came before is better than LINE GO DOWN! /s
@@pwh1981 the second the red line pops in the entire financial system is gonna implode and nothing will matter anymore, then its our turn to reach to power and restore the order
Pretty much.
Tucker Carlson said something interesting: Happy people with opportunities in life naturally create children. This is not the situation for most young people in the West today
Yep, fine example of economics of post ww2 1940s America and 1980s Reagan Revolution. Economic boom in 1980s spured lots of marriages and children.
WRONG! Syrians still got married and had children at the height of the civil war. These are just boomer excuses. Childlessness is not an economic problem, it's a spiritual problem.
@@alidaraie The most frequent attitudes during a war are "This is not my problem" , "This will never reach me" , and "This will be over soon". The idea of pausing and waiting a problem out is also going to be much less powerful in undeveloped societies where people aren't as used to structuring their lives period.
During particularly intense or prolonged conflicts, however, the birth rate drops, it absolutely does.
Finally, there is no need for one reason to be exclusive to the other. There are about a dozen important factors that affect childlessness, if not more.
Real
Then explain Muslim birth rates in the Middle East?
It doesnt hurt that they also enjoy the new population which is willing to accept overarching government control, as its all theyve ever known.
Have you seen the vids from Britain? The newcomers are keeping the locals in check with knives and other weapons, while the Police look on and do nothing.
The locals are powerless. Until they get creative and determined.
this is true
freedom is an expression of european blood
"the new population which is willing to accept overarching government control, as its all theyve ever known."
really? the no go zones are doing that?
please go to the nearest sharia patrol and ask for a citation that supports what you said
They've been set up really bad, though. When it collapses and they're still in the nest, mouths open and waiting to be fed, they're going to realise with dawning horror that they have to stand up for themselves and get things done... it should be horrifying to see my species collapse in on itself, but it's actually rather therapeutic. We deserve no less.
Then there are those of us who are utterly desperate to start a family but are unable to. It's a horrible place to be.
Wait til you're almost 60 and after a lifetime of trying everyone blames you for making selfish choices.
Good women are rare, but they are out there. You won't find them on the mainline dating apps though. I found mine through church, and she and I will make sure to have kids to populate whatever the future holds.
I thought this was outside my reach for a decade now, but here I am, preparing to ask her for marriage. Don't give up hope, and it won't give up on you.
Make sure you have none of the vices that you don't want to see in your spouse: Make sure you are free from degeneracy, make sure you are fit and healthy and not lazy, make sure you are an interesting person to talk to, make sure you are well read and well prepared for fatherhood.
But don't spend forever putting off meeting women. You will not be complete when you meet your spouse, and part of growing will have to be done together.
I used Catholic Match for a dating site, and it worked eventually, although if you aren't Catholic this is obviously not an option for you. I also know that my parish has been putting on events specifically for single adults to meet eachother, because my Priest sees it as the duty of the church to help his congregation find their vocation, which for most people is marriage. If more priests did this, it would be a BIG deal for the church and the world.
You know stupid people don't care whether having kids is Affordable or not they just do it
I'm 23 and i yearn for it.
Have you considered adoption? You'd not be helping with the birthrate but don't underestimate the huge importance of people being raised by families as opposed to the state.
7:49 How dare you! They deserve a 7 foot tall, trillionaire, with a 12 pack. Until those bare minimums are met they dont have to provide anything.
they deserve the bear in the woods....and I mean a big burly hairy man......in the woods! lolz
It's important to note that white conservatives who live in more rural areas still have above replacement fertility, this is especially true for white Protestants in the US. And the foreigners we're importing actually have the fastest falling fertility because they're concentrated in big cities. So, while the situation is bad, it's not as apocalyptic as many people in our sphere think. We're going through a bottleneck, and leftists won't actually make it through.
People become leftists
I'm sorry I won't live to see that golden time.
@@thanatosdriver1938 No, they don't. Most people keep the political beliefs of their parents.
@@Stoddardian Really? Because California was at one point in time a red state...
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Yeah, and Reagan's amnesty ended that.
This issue isn't even ""solved"" or replaced by immigration. Even when the figures are frightening we are seeing progressively a labour shortage.
There legitimately is no "labour shortage" there is a cheap labour shortage with rising unemployment.
Immigration is not "intended" to solve a fictitious labour shortage, it is intended to cause it, since it inherently pushes wages down and increases living costs.
Illegal aliens priced legal workers out of the job market
'Cause immigrants don't work... they consume. Immigration increases the labor demand. It certainly doesn't quench it.
Because you cannot possibly import enough people to supplant what is needed. If the current economic calculus destroys the current native population and does not change, it will just destroy every population that is absorbed into it, like a black hole.
There is zero labor shortage. Theres a slave shortage yes
No one "permitted" young people to think only of themselves; they oppressed them into believing there is no hope for the future. It's worse than you can imagine.
@@DextraVisual Just two different competing views of the world. There is a big group of people who see humanity as a blight on the world and think the planet will be better off without people. There is another group that sees the world as thing that was made for the benefit of the people.
Biggest issue for the young now is the inability to obtain housing due to high demand from mass immigration.
@@electricpaper269
The immigrants are only half the problem. It's not legal to rent these properties out to illegals, but these landlords are doing it anyway and the cities/counties aren't doing anything about it.
But the sheer pressure will also forge them into a shape capable of taking down the aristocracies by any means ne cessary, without milk sop morality and fear of losing (nonexistent) comforts and (undeserved) national loyalty to inhibit them.
@@InternetHydra We can only hope such men would come about via the old saying: "Hard Times make Strong Men."
Depopulation, removal of the nuclear family, mass scale welfare programs, open boarders…
Terrible ideas put to task have terrible consequences.
All of which women vote for.
The biggest problem we have is that we aren't willing to actually risk anything. Nobody is willing to fight. It's historical Darwinism in action.
crazy times
Kalerghi Plan in operation. Those enforcing it think it's a great idea. They know exactly what they are doing
@@ianmedford4855 People only mobilize to fight AFTER they have lost their homes or children. As long as their family has a place to sleep and food in their mouth they will not do anything about the crime, fires, corruption, evils, loss of freedoms and loss of country happening outside their home.
"...a pyramid scheme."
DING DING DING! You nailed it right there.
“Your freedom to be selfish was not the goal of the west” is a line that should go viral
Yep. I have a hypothesis:
Liberalism is actually a Greek idea in origin, like democracy- the Athenian Citizens.
I suspect the Greeks caught on what they had was frail. That civilization doesn't only collapse from foreign invasion but from nature and human passions. So they offered these enticements, but the real point was to create a specimen that could endure all forms of dissaster. So they were never meant as a "moral good to strive for"
Imagine telling a generation that will never own property that they're selfish.
@@vileluca Serfs didn't own property. They still had kids.
So, imagine thinking that's the actual root of the problem. Note that most of the countries in the world with the highest birth rates are the poorest ones and many with decent life expectancies and low infant mortality rates.
@@vileluca
Stop pretending you're special. NO ONES owned property in a very long time.
@@CanadianEhHole, most men historically did not pass on their DNA.
Imagine losing western civilisation just so women wouldn't have to ever grow up.
The future is truly terrifying.
There's a reason why every origin/foundation myth begins and/or ends with "and then a woman ruined everything".
@@InternetHydra If we had any sense we'd limit voting to married men with at least two children. We'd solve so many societal problems if we did that. But we have instead gone down the narcissistic route.
Oh please. The issues with immaturity and narcissism are rampant in both genders. This is not just a “woman” issue. This is an everyone issue.
@@AfterAFashionASMR real
Top comment pal.
"Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!" R.I.P
Elon Musk endorsing Trump is a far bigger game changer than people give it credit for.
As long as the election doesn’t have any shenanigans, which will likely happen.
@@thegreatattila- you know it’s going to happen unfortunately
@@MixedRaceAndProud1690 And that’s the problem. 🙁
LoL milionare endorsing milionare very game changer.
ywa Trump is in with The Big Tech Bros.... not a good thing.
Social welfare systems would be unnecessary if citizens were not taxed into oblivion for literally everything.
Well it wouldnt be as costly. The higher the cost of living the higher social welfare has to be.
AND citizens were even halfway decent with finances.
But they're not
So we either allow for natural consequences, or pay to cover the natural consequences on their behalf
@@michaelsorensen7567 No better time than now to start instilling a sense of personal responsibility in lazy westerners.
@@michaelsorensen7567 so the choice between Idiocracy being a comedy or a documentary?
@@michaelsorensen7567 People who never have to face the consequences of their actions, will never learn from them.
Women in the workplace and its consequences have been a disaster for society
Burnham Managerialism and its replacement of family business has been a disaster for the human race.
I'd argue that it is women in higher education, not necessarily in the workplace, that is the reason.
Women have been a disaster for society
@@Ko_kBI’m of the belief that those things go hand in glove. In my opinion you’ve both seen the same problem but are just seeing different sides of the same coin.
wrong, women have always worked, it's just that the norm has always been family business... Leaving your house to go work for someone else, somewhere else is the exception that has destroyed families, hence nuked our fertility rates...
I am doing my part ! I have 1 kid , second on the way. 3rd in planning and 4th in debate with my beloved wife. Family is the most important to me now. Always was. As he nation has failed and is falling. I will do my best to preserve and prepare my own bloodline. No matter the cost. They will know who came before them and who they are , as heirs of my culture and family history. I will pour my love and lifeblood into raising them proper and helping my wife as a partner in doing so. I am planting a tree that will (god willing) grow into the future. And I can only preach and promote this joyous message. Children are a miracle and the spring of life. They will demand much , but in time , will give you way more in return. Be fruitful and multiply !
Populations have a natural homeostasis. When people are dying more, we have more children. When people are growing old and dying less, we have fewer children. More advanced societies are trying to decline in population, but over time we will start having more children. If we are importing millions of people, the natives who built the society may never feel like homeostasis has been met because there are always way too many people. By the time we feel that it is time to have more children, it will be too late because we will have lost the country and society our grandparents built for us. We will have been replaced by the foreigners who will likely revile us and have spite towards our claim to this land and society.
Competency crisis is coming, and the new engineers and doctors cant fix crap, we need farmers and builders, soon these sistem cant mantain crap and well one of two or they have more childrens wich will be need to enter labour force earlier or colapse, and is like Sargon said, womans dont want to choose, well nature and reality will choose
Some cultures are a decade or two ahead on this and they aren't seeing a bottom yet. We have the assumption that females marrying the state is a salvagable condition.
You figured it out. Now how do you stop it and hold the criminals responsible for this crime against humanity responsible?
this isnt natural though its being forced
@@DrWarbird By ceasing to obey crooked laws and being loyal to abusive nations, and do whatever works.
Dissent.
Speaking as someone in my late 20s, I would love to have kids. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
The issue is that a weak economy and astronomical housing costs make it almost impossible to "build a nest", and social tensions and political unrest make me feel too insecure to "set down roots".
Mass immigration is making all of the above worse, which lowers the birth rate further, thereby prompting more immigration. It's a downward spiral, and we - the British people - are victims of it.
I would rather be in the situation that Japan is in. It's better to fill gaps in the workforce with robots than with millions of immigrants, because the robots won't commit crime or try to change your culture.
100%.
I think about how as many managerial elite there are in Japan, not having loads of immigrants is higher a priority than line go up next fiscal quarter.
Centuries of pillaging and you are the victims?
The problem is in Japan they are going the immigration route as well, crime going up as well
Soon enough you'll be in your late 30's, wondering if it is too late. Then you'll be in your late 40's, wondering the same.
You just have to saddle up and do it dude. People have done more with less.
Looking at the arc of history, folks didn't build a nest prior to having kids. Social tensions and political unrest is correlated with high birthrates - if you believe in your culture. Here are some folks with high birthrates currently: Israel, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yemen, Mali. All really placid and politically stable locations! I agree that mass immigration is making it worse. But economics and politics isn't directly the cause - it is a combination of effective birth control and widespread porn, and empowered, educated women and not believing in our mixed, confused, muddled culture.
I warned a community I was a part of for over 20 years that this was coming. Right before they banned me for wrongthink. Before I left I told them, "You may never say out loud that I was right, but one day you will think it."
Name the "community".
I have gotten banned from several Hearts of Iron 4 servers for talking about Politics despite the fact that is the point of the game
@@Bluesonofman It really isn't. It's a game with political aspects, but modern politics are completely irrelevant to the game
@@filmandfirearms The politics of 1914 affect the politics of the 21st century
@@Bluesonofman Yes, but the game has nothing to do with that
I did my job, My husband and I raised 3 daughters who now have 5 children among them, oh they are married! All this in a small city in Michigan, U.S.A. You're welcome.
👏👏👏
You've done more to help than most of the people complaining about the problem.
The mouse utopia experiment is playing out in real life
That mouse model was run 25 times, yet the one that was used and published was when all of the mice died. The Jolly Heretic has a video about it.
@@madmarlowe1422 replication crisis my beloved
@@madmarlowe1422 Yeah the mouse utopia was BS and yet it keeps getting brought up. Not to say it wasn't an interesting experiment of course.
truth.
@@jacobestersonbut you literally see people act just like the mice described in the published article. If it’s BS, it needs to stop being so prescient.
"Promises have been made that we are unable to keep"
- Me, everyday as a primary care nurse.
Not all of us automatically agreed with it, but virtue posturing wins in the short term.
This procedure is worth the risk becauae i as the dr dont face that risk and if you die oh well i got golf tomorrow.
You know who hates the medical profession the most? People with experience in it
@@jhoughjr1 It is a scam. Half the people in the medical industry don't have any clue about health. Saw an EMT that was easily 300 pounds. It is all about "treatment" and never about finding real cures.
This is exactly why I advocate for healthy living among my young adult peers. The reality is the quality of healthcare in our elder years simply isn't going to be there, so the pressure is on us to make healthy choices today so we simply don't need care in the future. The best healthcare is the care you don't need.
Me, as a paramedic 💀
“Bless the Swedish. They pay 60% income tax and yet they are told they live in a capitalist society”
As a Swede, 60% is definitely not right. 30%-35% ish.
@@chemicalfx_v2 70%
@@chemicalfx_v2 Could you please answer me a question Mr Andersson? I have been thinking about immigrating to your country. I wanted to know if children in Sweden have to be vaccinated to attend school?
Attended a hustings in my town (a cathedral does not a city make of 60,000 people). No young people (under 50) - disconnected most likely (my sister, friend and I were one of seven including the camera guy). The questions posed to the would be representatives arrayed around climate change, justice for disabilities, planning permissions for the building of a Mosque, etc. I'll never forget one of the later questions - a 70 something year old woman asking why politicians are apologetic about higher taxes, and how they need to be paid in light of pensions, the Ukraine war (there may have been others, but I forget). The appalling selfishness of it was overawing. Her question was met with nods and acclamation of course. Our grandparents view us as chattel to be used and discarded, the salvation of the conservatives from electoral ruin was merely the expose. I struggle to think these people are owed anything, those who annihilated the inheritance of their fathers and parasitise their children.
@@mortuitissedai2085 Not all old people are fat and liberal! If anything we remember personal liberty which will soon be a dim memory for the people of England if not stopped! I look at you from far off in the U.S. knowing it will be coming soon to our shores (if not here already) and I mourn this insidious parasitic attack on our culture, history and wonder why it is tolerated. Why?
@@kathleenphillips6445look north to us in Canada. We didn't just tolerate it, the idea had standing ovations. Keep in mind we gave standing ovations to a literal SS Nazi from Ukraine not long ago...
My father, who is really old, always hated old people for that exact reason. He still calls Florida The Land of the Walking Dead. Now, I'm getting old. I hate old people. As a group, they are terrible people. When you have children, the children become the center of the universe. When they have children, the mantle passes to them. Any other arrangement is unholy.
@@kathleenphillips6445 You are all responsible. All of you. No forgiveness. Where o where did my country go Kathleen? Where is my people, my nation, my future? You ate it! You devoured it! And now I stand here alone, dying.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 sorry but I’m an American and have little to do with your pain except I have the greatest sympathy. Fight! Don’t weep, fight!
I feel for the .16th child. They are not all there to begin with.
There is an old saying; "civilizations fall from within because of their success." They go crazy and lose their way. They forgot their first love and what it took to be so prosperous and start attacking the foundations of it.
Jolly Heretic Dutton argues that it happens at the genetic level due to not enough Darwin Awards.
What you're seeing isn't natural. It's the result of a decades-long effort by communists to destroy western nations from within.
@@skylinefever Possibly. But Dutton has a serious flaw that cuts at the core of his analysis. He still puts stock on academic research as the basis of his theories. Now, he has interesting hypothesis and some good points to consider, but I would put a *heavy* dose of salt on anything he says.
Question why did all our governments and media tell us not to have children and to wait until later in life! It’s all most like they wanted this to happen
(((They)))
At university a professor told us probably the most meaningful thing we could do for the world is have one or preferably no children at all.
@@elizaj4431 actual indoctrination
Institutional inertia. You will still, years after the population implosion was recognized, hear people opine that there should be less people or that we're overpopulating the world. That's all these people heard from their school teachers for years, and a strong minority of people don't bother to update their knowledge as time goes on.
@@elizaj4431 The same professor probably also told you we need illegal immigration because native’s just aren’t having children!!!! Full circle they knew exactly what they were doing
Reducing the size of governments by 70% and significantly reducing their salaries and privileges which they don't deserve anyway, would help many countries save a few billion dollars at least.
They could make all kinds of cuts, but when it happens there will be a depression, so nobody will vote for taking this bitter medicine.
That’s right, but it should be a bigger percentage……
Nah that's too nice for these vampires.
We need a Trump / Milei character to come in, slash government and the welfare state to say 30 of what it currently is... no elective surgeries, no DEI officers, nothing for migrants (healthcare housing jobseekers DLA etc) except for those who have paid 25 years of taxes.
Do it, be willing to use force against anyone who turns to crime to fund their lifestyle ... and then watch millions of migrants leave in droves.
@@Excalibur2 You don't do it all at once. You do it by attrition first. If that isn't enough then you cut YOY a manageable amount. If done over a 5-10 year period it'd be far more manageable and digestible by the economy at large.
Men have a duty to provide, which was robbed from us by taxation. This single-handedly caused everything you see.
Another factor to consider is how people, male and female, are scared of relationships nowadays because of how taboo the discussions around touch, sex and even the very concept of consent have become. Males are afraid of making the first move. They think any forward action may be hurting their partners, or worse, making their partner "believe" that they are being exploited, which will often result in being ostracized by society as sexual offenders, or arrested by false claims of abuse. Females are convinced that they are nothing but fragile victims that will get taken advantage of and should scream in defiance, they listen to their friends who convince them that they should feel traumatized for trivial reasons, that they "deserve better".
I call it the "Wrongful accusation mafia" and say it is one of several things that must be destroyed before any good change occurs.
Incredibly underrated comment. Males still are blamed for 100% of the issues. Why even participate in a game we we're not allowed to win
The nice thing though is that of the two, it's definite that only one can fight and win wars. Things will correct with inevitable loss of empathy.
I just call it feminism and its older then what you are talking about thats just a logical outcome of that ideology.
The entire thing comes down to women. They have destroyed any concept of the social contract. Why the hell would I even think to engage with a demographic that can destroy my life because she happened to feel some type of way. They are ruined gentlemen
I plan to have several children, not because I think I can reverse this phenomenon, but because I think we are going to have to go back very tight knit families where the young take care of the elders. Having large families will ensure long term survival
The future is yours with big families.
Those who do not have children are not the future
I am a single child and already spend a significant portion of my time caring for my grandparents and parents in my mid 20s.
Family is the future we are being denied through societal pressures to perform, not conform imho
@@justinklugTV I do as well, but this is not the norm for most people I know in the west
Nice idea, but what will most likely happen is an authoritarian government will steal your children from you "for the cause". Soviet Union, China, North Korea...all do it, and that was/is just for political survival, imagine when populations get desperate for people.
That clip at the end hit like a hammer after you set the context. Like watching a civilization laughing at its own death, not out of a defiance rooted in knowledge but out of a vapidity rooted in utter ignorance
_"It was always the women, and above all the young ones"_
We need subsidy for white families.. Now!
I want to be a father but I am distrustful of women. Everyone always says "until you meet the right one," but I am not sure that I ever will.
I'm not alone in that sentiment and that is a huge contributing factor for why population is in decline.
Women ☕️
None of them are trustworthy. There's no telling the "good ones/unicorns" from the corrupted ones because a lot of the corrupted ones know how to conceal themselves long enough to ruin you
I didn't get married until I was 37. They exist man. Never give up hope.
Being distrustful of women just means your brain is working.
I’m starting to think the whole “Mr/Mrs Right” is propaganda. I don’t think people “back in the day” had such luxury that they refused every prospect until they found the one person in the world who was suitable. Pickings be slim, beggers can’t be choosers, and happiness isn’t the point of life.
people seem to be skipping over the reason why lads aren't getting married earlier, because taxes and regulations reached a terminal point where by the point you can properly afford a house and children, you are 35
Agreed. It's madness, Henrique!
Again, I see that as an excuse.
It's going to get worse and worse, they won't reduce those taxes, we either take it on the chin and have children - or we die out like the Pandas.
Simple.
Oh good. Just 2 more years to go..........
Also feminism and pornography destroying the marigability of both men and women
It's not just that, its half of all marriages end in divorce in a large majority of those are initiated by the woman, and once the divorce goes to court the guy stands to lose his shirt and access to his children. And even before you get to that point you have to find a woman who isn't married to her career or married to feminist ideology. I'm not even going to to start talking about the issues that you run into dating in your 30s and 40s.
I’m the result of these policies. I was raised by progressives. Actually- I was raised by a babysitter while my mother and father worked. I was constantly told about women’s liberation, how white people were terrible because of slavery and the American Indians being conquered. My father never shut up about how Christianity was horrible. I was always told that there were too many people on the planet anyway so it didn’t matter if I had kids. My femininity was never nurtured or protected. My parents never told me I was attractive or that my role as a potential wife/mother was important. I was allowed to have boyfriends at an early age., while simultaneously being told that women who got pregnant /married early were throwing away their lives. A career was the most important thing I could have. You can imagine what that lead to) I didn’t realize how r€t@rd€d my parents were until I had a conversation with them about Obama’s progressive tax plan and I was immediately struck with how unrealistic it was to expect people who worked hard for their wealth to get taxed more for their trouble. I think that was the first seed of reality that was planted in my brain- but by then it was very late. I was at least 30 by that time, and I never wanted to be a single mother…. So it never happened. Keep in mind, I’m an ONLY child. So it’s over for that bloodline. I’m 53 now, so that ship sailed. Thanks for listening. I hope you do better than I did in this regard ❤
As we say in the south..."I hate it for you."
My faith in Christ is the only thing that gives me hope to keep pressing on in this culture. God bless you.
@@shellyvonschtupp8618 that's a really sad story. I'm sorry you didn't get to experience children. The previous generations have successfully screwed us pretty hard. These are the prices of fraud I'm sorry to say.
Well, on the flip side, maybe if you'd had kids you would have hated the experience and been resentful of being forced into a role you didn't want.
Kids are hard work, the pay is shit and it's usually thankless and unrewarding.
If you've reasonably enjoyed your life then be glad - you never know how well, or badly, it might have gone.
The progressive lies are the real problem. Too many people focusing on cost of living. I know plenty of well off women who are very adamant they never, ever want to have kids. The older some of them get, the more they realize that's just not true and they were tricking themselves. One is 38, single, and is trying to speedrun through dating apps only to realize that the good guys have settled and all she's left with, that she's still attracted to, are perpetual bachelors who are only on the apps to sleep around.
Lord have mercy. I truly hope you find rest and peace in Christ and His Church. It may be too late to have biological children but you can still be a part of God’s family.
Today's microphone quality really bering me back to 2016.
Only those with at least two biological children should have the right to vote and receive pensions.
I have 3 sons. The eldest (43) is married, but they don't want children. The middle one (38) wanted children and a family focused marriage, but can't find the woman for it. The youngest one is 23. I probably won't live long enough to find out if he'd ever have children.
I would rather it be for America. White males who served in the military and have at least 2 children and have a stable job and are currently married.
@@none1426This is how Ancient Rome operated. Only men who served in the military could vote. Only they were full citizens. Only they could enter government roles. Slaves taken by military conquest could become free citizens by serving in the military.
Women were granted the ability and duty to create the next generation.
Men were granted the ability and duty to build and protect that next generation.
And if the social contract is broken by one, the other has no obligation to uphold their side of things.
Absolutely
Very well said
@@InternetHydra Unfortunately Liberal democracies with large welfare obligations will force men to uphold their obligation regardless of anyone's consent or desires. Unless you are willing to drop out and live in a box under the bridge.
protect and PROVIDE FOR
And social media indoctrinated them.
Feminism, divorce law, ‘I don’t need no man’ etc.
This problem is 100% the fault of one gender
the government became a substitute for a husband via hand outs
Populational shrinkage wouldn't be a problem if so much of society and economy was built on a assumption of eternal growth upwards.
It'd be a problem no matter what
So you go back to the Stone Age... there is no such thing as stagnant. There is a rising, and there is falling, but at no point is there a correct assumption that we can ever stay the same. That is the very temporary nature of human society.
I thinks it's less GDP and more the theft of social programs that the governments are worried about, either way it's hitting every country on earth now, Nigeria has lost 25% of its fertility since 1970s, so in the long term everyone is having less kids.
You mean 'wasn't'.
@@CaspertheSarcasticGhost probably not a stone age, if anything it be temporary with how much back up data systems and information across the planet. "The Dark Age" would be nothing comparable in the modern day, but that would be less dramatic for people to fear monger about.
While Sargon is right about women being the Terminus of civilization, they do not care, they do not care about the fact that them abandoning their duties will cause the civilazation that gave them everything they have to collapse. They are at best indifferent and don't care about preserving the civilization and more often actively hostile to it and despise it for some perceived wrong doing the society committed among them. Asking them to consider something other than themselves is like asking a fish not to swim. It will not happen.
And that is 100% true
Blame corporations and governments that made Real Estate almost impossible to afford. People would have more kids but they can't afford them and instead of helping them out, the governments prefer importing low quality third world immigrants instead.
Ridiculous.
The corpos just want even more people fighting for fewer scraps.
Establishment conservatism was fine with it because to them, line go up mean thing get gud.
Housing costs keep going up due to high demand from mass immigration and low supply due to planning laws. People then have to desperately try to outbid each the for the limited amount of houses and flats.
This is THE one area where Marx was unironically correct. Any and all rent-seeking - economic activity that simply takes wealth from others without creating new wealth, most commonly by land-owners charging rent - is fundamentally detrimental to human endeavor.
At least in the US, birth rate collapsed around 1960. Long before real estate went nuts. The problem is cultural and pharmacological. (The first pill came out in 1960.)
@@MidlifeCrisisJoe "economic activity that simply takes wealth from others without creating new wealth" I think you just broadly described the concept of someone paying money to someone else for something.
The solution is simple, but half the population won't like it ☕
The Handmaiden's Tale was fiction, you know.
Sargon vid just after the Lotus Eaters. Today is good.
Sargon vid : Childless women bad.
Lotus eater : Look at all those right wing childless women we have as guests this week !
A part of it, is women telling men they want children to get them in a relationship. When really they just want a duel income and security to finance a life of always being one.
6:35 It seems a bit backwards to blame the young people of today for the collapse. Young people didn't create the unsustainable model. I would argue it was the older generation, who through voting and politics maintained said model.
The problem of an aging population is one that you can see coming for literally a generation long. It is true that we couldn't have predicted fertility rates dropping as long as they have, but we knew for a very long time that a baby boom would eventually result in a lot of old people who need pensions and frequent and intensive healthcare.
Maybe the falling birthrates is because young couples can't afford a good house to raise kids in. Maybe the decline of social services. Maybe they indeed see a very bleak future and wish simply not to force said future onto kids. All of these are valid reasons not to have kids and is in no way the fault of young adults.
You have a point but the real problem with the younger generation is that the only lessons they learn from their elders are the bad ones. They believe in promiscuous sex, socialism, tribalism and materialism uncritically. We've been due for a generation to come along and throw off the detritus of 20th century garbage philosophy for some time now but the rebellion never happens.
That’s why the elites in the developed world have pursued a policy of mass immigration. They saw what was coming down the pipe decades ago and thought that they could fix it by bringing in a replacement population. Unfortunately for them this social experiment, like all others before, has ended in disaster and has only accelerated the decline and collapse of these societies. Immigrants tap into welfare programs at a far higher rate than the native born population and their need for resources further suppresses the birthrate. Rather than let the issue solve itself by allowing the free market to correct itself via deflation they have only served to amplify the problems that we face today
well said.
Everyone who can have children that isn't, it part of the problem and not part of a solution.
If you put 10 fish in a pond that can hold 20, they will breed. If you put 20 fish in a pond that can fit 10, they won't.
Historical data shows that the UK has a natural prefered population at around 56 million, and when that number started to get exceeded, emmigration numbers SKY ROCKETED. Then something sussy happened in the 90's and the population started to pass this cap. When that happened, emmigration started climbing to keep pace, and now we have 2 million people coming over here every year, and 2 million people emmigrating every year. If they stopped immigration right now, we will still lose around 20 million people to emmigration.
Top comment right here. You've hit the nail on the head my friend.
And the politicians can't have that, as it will expose the state pension as the ponzi scheme that it is and force Logan's Run type solutions.
I think all of the West could actually benefit from a declining population if it wasn't for the Ponzi banking schemes and socialist programs.
But father Sargon says number must go up. Can only go up. The UK will be destroyed in fire if number not go up.
With 8 billion humans on earth. More than there has ever been. In 1960 there was only 3 billion. The world wasn't ending.
I do think there are too many humans on earth. The ever increasing difficulties in society seems to be the result. With robotics and automation coming along. A population collapse might even be fortuitous. What happens when there's 90-95% unemployment?
So effectively what is happening is low birthrate whites are leaving in exchange for high birthrate muslims. It's likely that within one or two generations Britain will be an Islamic country.
Looks and sounds like the old videos. Fucken love it
Personal anecdote. I just had a cousin who had twins. My entire family is very excited for them despite us all realizing how much of a handful it will be.
I shared the news with one of close colleagues at work who is a very modern default progressive woman. Her first response was literally "I'm so sorry". The response was bizarre, but what I expect from most normie moderns. We have an entire generation of people believing that children are a scourge to personal freedom and a good life. We are both in our late 20's.
Praying for this generation and working to undermine the belief structures in as many as I can.
Damn, that's a fucked up response, unless it was an awkward attempt at humor on her part.
Never surrender your country.
You Brits already did.
Too late. You did that in the 1940s to keep your great-grandparents' elected officials' creditors happy.
Lol. Too late.
I will say. There's nothing wrong with population decline, as long as it doesn't continue forever, which it won't. Because there are groups of people in every society who are still having children, and those groups will survive. What is wrong, Is tnemecalper noitalupop (had to be written backwards). Which is the real threat these countries are facing, because while major population decline won't destroy your country, it will make the economy pretty rough for a while, and there are certain people who really hate losing money, and they'll do anything to line their pockets. Including wholesale betrayal of their nation.
Going up and down shouldn't be an issue, but the volatility. If stocks doubled and halved every other day the stock market would have no participants. Having some cultures dissolve in a decade and others explode upwards is a disaster waiting to happen. Even moreso its a disaster unfolding.
Couldn't have put it better. The people who do not wish to have children simply won't have them. And their bloodl!nes will d!sappear when they pass. Those who do wish to have children, will keep having children and their children will do the same. But as you say, the pop replmt is the issue. And our elites are completely possessed by the Sin of Greed. Something must be done before the damage they inflict is irreparable. :(
There's nothing wrong with NATURAL population decline, but we don't have that.
And, the decline isn't the issue, the entitlements and other policies are.
The issue right now is that as the population ages into retirement they will vote for policies that will further depress the birthrate so that they can preserve their welfare benefits. Most of the developed world is so far down this rabbit hole that anything short of massive political reform won’t fix the problem, but those reforms will require a lot of people to greatly suffer and that is a platform that any politician can hope to be voted in on. Don’t be surprised over the next ten years if you see the youth hoisting dictators into power to force these changes through an unwilling system in much the same way that Caesar had to do to save Rome
Spot on
Maybe that's why men think about the Roman Empire
Gibbon is my gospel
Pretty much this
Carl saw a tiktok of 26y/o women thriving and having fun and decided to write a video about how we need moar babehs instead of minding his business and rasing his child.
Yeah he's become a real weirdo.
As I get older I'm feeling less upset or frustrated at my inability to form intimate relationships, but more guilty and ashamed. My social incompetence, cowardice, and self neglect is depriving my mother of grandchildren, and my grandparents (who may not have many years left) the opportunity to see their great grandchildren.
bro, its probably not really your fault. the men before you were able to get children, its not you who is mismatched, its the system
I feel similarly.
Shame solves nothing. If you are a dude your seeds could be good for decades so you still have time.
You dont owe anyone
Don't worry lads I'm not crying myself to sleep or anything, this isn't self pity it's self reflection. Acknowledging your flaws is a prerequisite for improvement.
my entire childhood growing up every newspaper was decrying teenage pregnancies.
Gen X?
'my entire childhood growing up every newspaper was decrying underage sex'
Were they supposed to not?
@@thanatosdriver1938 no, but it seems that antinatalism just extended into adulthood, seems like this is the result.
@@basilbaby7678 86. older millennial, i guess.
@@thanatosdriver1938
Uh, no? So long as they get married first, that's a good thing. You forget, until recently (1920) the marriageable age in the US was 12. In most states, it's 16.
Minor addendum: immigration does help the labor but only unskilled labor.
Skilled labor is dying and trades because people can dig ditches and move objects but building things that don’t collapse is not easy
Absolutely.
Plus many of those skilled labor jobs still treat everybody as disposable and pay badly. The C Suite removed the incentive structure for company loyalty and hard work, and expected the same amount of it.
That was in Atlas Shrugged!
But unskilled immigrants still demand services from skilled labor such as doctors and engineers, so the shortage gets even worse.
@@electricpaper269 if the engineers have nobody skilled enough to perform the work then there is a problem.
Also for every 7 people retiring or leaving the trade, only 1 is entering. And I can assure you that the quality of trade schools has also diminished with the decline to exacerbate the issue further.
@@johnnycasteel7 so what means that we are gonna end up like zimbabwe.
I love living in the end times, where everything is collapsing and everyone is incompetent. It’s great.
It makes it easier to pray, that's for sure.
@dooby6400I have 2 and one on the way. We are all going spend eternity together I hope and the more the merrier 😊 this life is of little consequence
@dooby6400 it’s not easy but it’s a daily reminder to enjoy every little moment with them, take nothing for granted! I have non verbal 3 year old twins and I hope in heaven they will talk if they don’t before the time comes! In the meantime we have fun regardless what’s going on outside our little bubble😊
@@JojoRose695 Christ is in our midst
I would much rather the Gov't stayed out of it. As it is I'd rather everybody be responsible for themselves. Though we'd need to repair the broken family issue. Before children took care of their aging parents but now everyone relies on the state, which is exactly what the state likes.
Absolutely!
This is exactly why they're doing it. They _want_ to destroy the family.
Everyday I wake up and feel I am living in the latest Dark Souls game.
Don't go hollow!
Feels more like watch dogs legion to me.
Except that world is unironically better
@@Loathsome_Lynx
Yeah, their women are still maidens until marriage at least.
DON'T GIVE UP, SKELETON!!!
This is where I fully disagree with the change and that abortions and such are the reason for less infant birth.
Where the birth rates are high.. you know why they are high? Cause kids can do work for the parents, thus make money and sustain minimal costs.
Now bringing back child labor is ABHORRENT! But there in lies the problem.
"COST" and even you point out in earlier articles that a child is seen as a luxury....
And you know why Korea is dipping? Not cause "They have abortions" No.. it's the fact "They don't have time to even persue a relationship."
You know make bonds, be friends, date and get to know people. This is also a serious problem in Japan where the Government stepped in and said: "Force mandate holidays"
Another thing you can contribute is the internet as it's just as a loose connection on birthrates like abortions.
But in reality.... everything has been getting more expensive, everything has been getting more taxed, everything is taking more time but you have to do more to keep up.
So thanks to studies in Japan and Korea... where most people have only 1 day to do something for themselves. What do they do?
Chores, Shopping, then watch some tv/videos/play some games/do a hobby then go to work the next day.
Heck Greece is introducing a 6th day work week. Only 1 day of no work....cause Greece isn't doing well.
And in reality.. most people technically work 6 days a week anyway... cause either both parents have to work or 1 parent works two jobs.
The reason birthrates are going down is not cause of abortions. It's cause... most people cannot do the following things:
- Buy a suitable house for a family.
- Find a stable job for two adults.
- Have costs for transportations.
- Time to stay in shape/health reasons.
And that all trickles futher down. Housing crisises are everywhere in the western world. So most people CANNOT afford a house or even find a decent one. OKay.. so you stay with your parents for longer. Wich another study points out. People are staying with their parents till their 30's. (Hey look 30's came back)
When they have to a degree, no one wants to hire them cause they want someone with expirence for an entry job. Wich pays less. So to get your foot in the door.. you gotta work as an unpaid intern. So you gotta intern, to get expirence for 3 years and then you can get paid BELOW the same as a non entry level job.
So let's say you are 21 with a decent degree... or 25 with a higher degree. For 3 years you gotta intern or maybe longer. Now you are 24-25 minimal, 28-30 for higher degrees. AND NOW YOU CAN START MAKING MONEY! While housing is next to impossible to get.
Of course you can also start interning at 18 and gain expirence that way.. but even so.. you still need 3-5 years expirence. So again.. you are already pushing 21-23 for an entry level job.
And most end up on a lower level job cause that's the only way in otherwise. And those who skip college? They got jobs where they are being kicked around as well.
Also... high level paying jobs what colleges provide are oversaturated with.. THE OLDER GENERATION. They don't want you to take THEIR MONEY/JOB they want you to do "THEIR JOB" for less.
So why are birthrates declining???
Simple.. "There is no economy to support children at the moment"
The pandemic did a huge number on the value of work. AI is lowering that value faster. Work of any kind is becoming less valuable. You need to do more to stay in the race and the positions for what people need for a decent wage in a decent area.. drops every day.
Meanwhile taxes go up, housing goes up, a lot goes up. And yet every employee has to work more and more to stay afloat and live a comfort life for themselves.
To have kids in this day and age is to give up that lil money and energy and time... to raise the next generation. And you are asked to do it twice on minimal.
So most opted to wait till their economically stable... but... the pandemic made sure THAT WAS NOT A THING.
4 years after the pandemic started and maybe 3-2 years after... society has not been able to recover.
We were warned before the pandemic this was happening in Korea and Japan. After the pandemic? Everyone followed suit.. since no one saw the warnings and now.. a population decline has come. Just like certain rich folk said would be good for the envoirment... but that's tinfoil hat talk if I go into that.
In the end.. it's lack of faith or abortions that is the problem. It's the inheritent economy of time and value of your time that has shifted too much.
And I know this.. since a single bedroom appartment I bought.. doubled in price to the point it costed as much as a family house due to it being near the city with in 6 years.
This is the truth of population decline. If the government is too busy taxing the people to solve problems, cost of living goes up... even increases wages won't change a thing. As it would just increase prices again... causing inflation. To fix the problem.. is for the government to give back to it's people. To incentivice people to have kids and spend time with them. And maybe.. to force companies to keep parents around with less time. Maybe by incentive of funding or... simply lowering taxes on those who have children.
It's actually ridiculous how many time I've heard "Capitalism requires permanent growth" meanwhile it's literally our anti-capitalist welfare programs that do in fact require permanent growth... instead of just letting people have the personal responsibility to succeed or fail on their own merits.
People actually can't even see it because they are blinded by their own ideological need to feel righteous. How dare I suggest that someone who never invested in their future doesn't deserve one at the cost of everyone else! What exactly happens when that individual becomes the majority? Well, you need a LOT MORE people to steal from. Doom spiral.
The entropic policies have set this path in stone . It will only lead to some form of a collapse .
Realistically, you aren't going to convince women to have kids that they don't want without force and violence. Western societies could easily support the number of elderly that they will have if we don't do mass migration. Our societies were able to support full houses of rug rats in the 50s and 60s. But it would require cutting back on the political and economic power of the elderly, hence efficient healthcare that had a functioning price system, removal of incentives to have large, comparatively poorly utilized housing, and a boot load of other weird incentives the managerial class has created. Eventually, you'll have birth labs...
Than civilization must force them.
@@gregdaweson4657 Good luck with that. Civilization can't even remove zoning restrictions.
Force and violence it is, then.
@@richdobbs6595 true but men are still happy and comfortable despite online voices claiming otherwise.
Blame the banks, specifically centrel banks and the US fed, Rothchild, Rockefeller etc.
Smallhats
Money printer brr always destroyed everything.
The USA had the biggest seed of destruction planted when the Federal Reserve was built.
It’s easier to blame immigrants!
@@socklips7655 forreal, who owns and runs all the banks?
Ive said this before, the Terminus of Civilisation can never be stopped once it begins. The hope of Western civilisation will not be found in trying to restore what was, but building something new after it falls. All great civilisations had their epic struggle to build back what was, but never prevailed. I believe our time has come, and that we should focus our efforts on building a new people that will be the ultimate culminations of all the strengths of Western greatness.
The lessons cannot be allowed to die. Better that a failsafe against extinction exist and never need than to need it and not have it.
Both Terminator & Doctor (Who) Tyler is based on futurepast children born by future events leading to one parent ending up on the past (whoniverse) Earth that then falls to some tincans and the dying mankind becomes the rulers over time to survive.
In Who after getting saved twice times over to a harddrive that serves to store our souls in "Heaven and hell" until they are uploaded into blank multiform basestations...
(the Master race)
the glass people = the Master race save from when it died.
And RIVERS the child of the TARDIS = heaven and hell the glass people ship the harddrive is part off...
aka the Church of the papal MAINFRAME..
aka the Matrix on Trenzalore (the former burnt Gallifrey)
Yep. Archive all worthy works of our civilization that you people can, and then prepare for the bad times because they've barely begun.
@@entropybear5847 more a manifesto, or collection of books on how to be a true reclaimer. Imagine a people with the stoicism of greek philosophers and the savagery of vikings and the mannerisms of English and French and the devotion and loyalty to a nation as Germany.
That ending was unnecessarily cruel. You are a beast, Sargon 😢
Not at all. Just a clip of the facts. Those animals love themselves and have no desire to love children.
Rave, rave, rave against the dying of the light.
Great poem from a great film.
It's "rage". Unless you were doing a pun, and I didn't get it.
That 19th Amendment is looking pretty evil at this point, no?
Magic papers are pretty ghey in General.
You want civilization collapse - take a reason a woman’s way to impact the future for their children, they’ll take away yours.
Government isn't the arbitor of rights.
Your the reason women don't have families anymore.
@@tonykennedy1615 Yes it is, and the romanticized delusion that it isn't is why we're always on the back foot. Power doesn't give a shit about you lamenting the words on the page. In fact the more time you spend doing so, the more time it has to brush you away with platitudes and focus on achieving it's own ends.
The problem isn't that women are able to now choose not to have children. The problem is that option is now viewed as appealing.
The problem is self-compounding. The elderly are now a magnet for certain kinds of people to enter our land, occupying homes which would otherwise be available to the elderlies' grand-children, thus hindering them from starting families.
A wildcard solution is, rather than importing nurses, to export the elderly to the nurses' countries, where they can be treated by the same people at much lower cost.
Nothing days “nuclear family” like shipping Grandpa to the Philippines.
@@ethansito5321 to be fair, many of those grandparents rent out their homes or just straight up sell them to blackrock instead of giving it to their family
Deport boomers? Lmao
This is actually THE best answer and it will definitely happen to the childless. Care homes are expensive, if you don’t have family then all your friends are dead by 90, nothing to keep you here if you are poor. Might as well hit the third world. Even if that’s bad! 😂
Cucked statists WILL allow this to happen, they allowed a mask which did nothing, this won’t affect anyone with ties to the community.
@@ethansito5321 Tbf Grandpa’s part of the extended not nuclear, so it’s cool
And we wonder why they push so hard for Canadian heath care.
So they can give us maid
@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT - Grim.
Because MAID is a thing. You can't have a healthcare problem if the population is 6 ft under, and those above ground know that if they complain of a cough MAID will be the solution to their problem.
@@wiseonwords Truth.
@@malcontender6319 grim truth
People can't even afford homes and groceries, let alone children.
Loser
To find out why, Google: IMF Government Spending as percentage of GDP Graph
By design. And who designed it? We all know it.
Lucky we aren't speaking German tho, right..
Yes they can. Poor (and I mean dirt poor) have been having children since the dawn of time.
Quit making excuses and LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!
@@leonrappoah, rare to see someone who knows what world 2 was actually about.
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Soylent Green is people, not bugs.
In the book it is lentils and soya.
Fact that world population has increased nearly 3x in the last 60 years. World population from approximately 3 billion to 8+ billion. In 1960 there were plenty of people to maintain industry.
That is why back then politicians thought they could buy votes with big pyramid scheme pension plans.
Maintaining industry with a primarily average 20-30 year old population is quite different than maintaining it with a primarily 50-60 average population. Least of all with no real industry left and the service economy based on the ponzie scheme of infinite growth and money printing unable to function anymore.
Despite disagreements with his methods, Uncle Ted was essentially correct
no, Ted was right in his methods too. it was the only way to get the message out there.
he could have published it, but by now we know that the only messages that are allowed to spread are the ones the state already agrees with.
if empowering men INCREASES birthrates, and empowering women DECREASES birthrates... what is the solution?
Empowering men. Simple.
@@LordRykard9376 Empowerment of one must come at the expense of others. Are you prepared to disempower others?
@@mortaldao8044 Do you think women are empowered right now?
They are locked in the prison of hubris and self-delusional modernity.
@@mortaldao8044 Yes.
Islam!
Women rights and its consequences have been a disaster for human race
This entire problem started and has accelerated ever since they got the vote. It is entirely their fault this is happening
Thousands of years of men stating women's reality and we just threw that knowledge aside on academia's claims of misogyny. None of those -ist words are used with a true feeling of "you're wrong", they just mean "I don't like what you're saying".
Cato thought that a woman's desire to spend money was a disease that could not be cured, but only restrained.
St. Augustine said, "My suspicion is that the so-called innocence of women and children has more to do with the weakness of their limbs than the purity of their hearts.”
Medieval and Victorian scholars also noted how, if societal norms were removed, women would be as promiscuous as possible.
Those things they fought for weren't rights, they were privileges they felt entitled to merely for existing.
I think Carl is missing a big part of the conversation by not addressing the astonishing reduction in male fertility. The female side of it is a societal concern. The male side of it is existential.
Stop eating processed foods, and avoid seed oils
I think you'll find men fertile enough if women stop both sex and pregnancy as if they were plagues
10 minute video. He isn't missing anything.
I agree that birth control and female empowerment aren't the only causers. Supporting a wife and two kids on one income is not financially feasible anymore. With divorce laws, the idea of long term commitment is less appealing to the breadwinner.
Bruh, 1 man can sire one thousand kids, its not a man problem
The boomers said it's ok
And now the millinials enforce it.
Their generation ruined the world
@@reedmckinney7426 And millinials fight to keep it that way. 😂
0:16 Jack Ma agrees
The problem is with all these inflation and anti employment policies going on, it’s very difficult to afford children these days.
Exactly
Sometimes it feels like we're being deliberately phased out
For people who actually want to provide them a good life - sure. But have you thought about being a dead weight and gaining benefits from them? Some people pop kids out just to get more money from the government.
I'm sorry but that's simply untrue.
The issue is that people don't want to make their own lives less comfortable, to have children.
If women in African tribes can have multiple children, so can we.
It's just an excuse. It's Mouse Utopia.
The pakistanis in the UK have no problem with having children
"Maintain a population of 500 million....." The Georgia Guidestones may be gone, but they aren't forgotten.
are you ... praising them ?
@@BurghezulDjentilom far be it from me to praise the misanthropic vanity and moral stupidity of narcissistic elitists.
I love the classic Sargon Gamer-Gate Era sound quality😂
Otherwise, well put Carl👍
i remember that ancient video where he demonstrated that the system we have now is worse than slavery by pointing out how owning slaves was more expensive than open borders.
Boomer audio
Reminds me of when I first began to recognize why feminists were invading games. . . and so much else. I miss this week in stupid.
@@zxyatiywariii8times were so much simpler back then
Bro go back and listen to his actual gamer gate era videos and say that again.
Not everyone should be a parent.
The fertility rates of western countries are also artificially inflated by counting the children of foreigners
Swedens's is 1.5 which is inflated because of muslims , i imagine the real rate is like 1.0 or even kess for actual swedish women.
@@DEadSpaCE211 or for swedish women with swedish partners
@@DEadSpaCE211
Even less for Swedish women with Swedish men.