Is a Pen Display Worth It for 3D Sculpting
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- We just bought a Huion Kamvas 22 Plus to take our sculpting to the next level. In this video we discuss if you really need it and how it's different from a regular pen tablet.
A popular question is always - Wacom vs Huion. We talk about some of the differences!
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And I've been using a $20 mouse for sculpting, like a peasant.
The struggle is real 😔😔😔
like a HERO***
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I think 3d artist hardware reviews are definitely needed. Its a hole in the market and its hard to shop for equipment when the review is just 2d. 2d is great but its isnt 100 percent tailored to our needs so you need to make alot of guess work to translate it when making a buying decision. Great video keep it up.
Such a pleasure watching someone at work
I literally ordered my first display tablet the day before this video went up (can't wait until it arrives!) for exactly the reason you mentioned about the disconnect between my eye and hand. While I intend to use it for both drawing and sculpting, I couldn't help but notice that my lines when drawing on paper felt more confident. It was just easier and faster to draw physically than digitally even though I've been drawing digitally for years. I can't wait to try this out for myself.
For that same keyboard annoyance, Id suggest you putting the display on an arm mount so it is raised above the desk and the keyboard can be placed right beneath it
Yeah had the same thought.. VESA arm mount would be awesome improvement for ergonomics!
@@AndyBaedal but would a vesa mount hold the display strongly enough to lean on and draw?
@@dotbmp it depends from the arm
Some arms can hold it in middle hair, and some don't
@@dotbmp depend on the arms specs. Ideally ur pen display should be much lighter than the maximum weight capacity of the arm. The more gap difference between them, the more less wobble your setup is. So u have to check that before buy.
Maybe u wanna see reference like this guy using his cintiq in an arm:
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maybe late, buy 1 hand keyboard worth the money to do most of key needed.
You're my Hero dude! ALL the Huion and XP-Pen reviews are only for 2D and finally someone is looking at this for us sculptors! TY!
Happy to help 😁
@Howard Keer too neerdy here man
Well Grant Abbitt also said a bit about such tablets for sculpting in Blender
Same here! I wanna use it in Blender 3D Coat and possibly ZBrush. So thanks for this review :D
What's the lag like
I don't know if you need to always do product reviews, but if you find something or change something that significantly alters your work, is definitely interesting and helpful to hear
That's good to know :)
While a tablet of some sort is kinda necessary if you want to do any sort sculpting/painting (yeah yeah, we all know that guy who brags about sculpting with his mouse...), a pen display is not mandatory. It's just a nice upgrade over a regular tablet. If you're going to use it on a daily basis, then yes, I think it's worth the investment. However, if you're only a weekend user and you're only going to use it as your "youtube" screen the rest of the time, then maybe not.
I have had several wacom tablet/screen over the years and I currently have a Cintiq 24 UHD at work and I have a Huion Kamvas Pro 20 at home, so I'm experienced with both brands. Wacom is expensive but reliable. Huion is cheap but... it's cheap. like, it's cheaply made. I had to replace the pen twice in two years. The stylus just stopped working suddenly, while I was using it. First time after only two months. It was still under warranty so Huion replaced it for free (had to pay for shipping though, which was pretty high). But second like was last week and I had to pay 70 canadian dollars. Add janky drivers to that (compatibility issues with substance and you have to restart the drivers in administrator mode for zbrush), so I'm not really impressed.
So yes Huion is cheap, but you get what you pay for. And no, I don't smash my pen on the screen or throw it across the room. Never broke a wacom stylus, while I must have dropped them dozens of times.
I'm not trying to shit on that review, I was super happy with my Huion at first, thinking it was a great deal. When the first stylus broke, I just thought "bad luck, still cool". When second one broke the exact same way, it's just poor quality. Especially right now, working from home, it's even more frustrating, I can afford having my tablet randomly give up on me and having to wait several days for a new stylus to show up.
While I was waiting for my new stylus to arrive, I dug out my old 12 inches cintiq. It's over 10 years old, needs an hdmi adapter, sub-hd, zbrush UI takes half the screen, but hey, just plugged it and still works like a charm, no bullshit.
I wish I could still revere Wacom the same way. With their recent complacency, I can not even use my new Wacom One at all. I literally replaced my computer just to use it, thinking it cannot be at fault since it works on every other device except my main station. When I did replace my computer entirely, I found out then and there that it wasn't at all my computer, but software issues that Wacom tablets have with Windows 10 directly. All that, after I replaced my original Wacom Bamboo with that Wacom One thinking it finally bit the dust. Turns out it's just their software.
So at this point, with how much money I have blown out just to get a single fucking Wacom product to work, I am very much welcoming their competition.
That being said, I have done my homework on Huion and XP-Pen, Huion undoutedly is on top for now with their 2020 releases. Have you tried any of their recent releases with their 3rd generation pens? Not enough time has gone by to know for sure if the 3rd gen pens will have the same durability issues as you have had, and that is mostly what I am curious on.
I always thought it wasn't worth it, but honestly, once I tested a Cintiq I couldn't go back to an Intuos. It's just so natural and confortable to sculpt on a good pen display... I guess it all depends on your preferences.
Definitely personal preference, but I'm in the same boat. I really like this display
I struggled with the keyboard setup as well. Two things that helped me make it more comfortable are a sliding keyboard tray under my desk and the amazon basics version of an ergotron arm.
Is it bad I'm mainly only watching your videos to watch you sculpt xD. It just so relaxing to watch someone else sculpt and not to do it yourself and get plagued by problems.
Love it! No unboxing, no BS frills, just you doing you ;-)
I've been using a Huion Kamvas Pro 20 for a year now for sculpting and photoshop ( both for archviz stuff) and it works like a charm. You guys should definitely do more videos like this one if you have the time 😘
Wow. I love how fair you sound and the content of your videos guys. You truly look like good people and professionals. Huion is being lucky that you decided to make a review of one of their items. I wish I didn't buy my Cintiq 27 3 years ago, but there was not a good budget tablet by then. Shame, although I love my tablet. Parallex in Cintiq 27 is three times what I see in the video with the Huion, but it is never a major problem as we adapt as humans and it only takes 2 days to feel it natural.
So this is really off topic but there is a nice ASMR quality to your voice and presentation style. Thanks also for your review :)
I much prefer the intuos, you can sit perfectly upright working on your regular monitor. It fits in perfectly in front of the keyboard so you have full access to shortcuts and there is absolutely no big fumbling around with cables and stuff to rearrange the tablet. Lastly they are a lot less prone to errors and driver fuckery and you can use them on the go with laptops.
It takes a bit of practice to get used to tablets but I like that my hand does not obstruct parts of my work area. I guess it all boils down to personal preference (and budget)
I have a keyboard placed in front of my tablet display for shortcuts. Works great for me.
Great finally someone doing a sculting review of this. I will probably go for the 24 inch model which has 1440p resolution
I bought the 24. I bought the xp pen version first. It was decent but the screen protector made the surface feel a little spongy and the dial on the side was always in the way when using the side buttons. The drivers were being updated every week and while everything else would improve, using photoshop became impossible. I would draw a stroke and it would take several seconds for the line to fully render. So I sent it back and bought the Kamvas Pro 24. As far as the surface goes it’s been great. Since it’s an etched glass surface there’s no spongy feeling and no lag in any of the apps I’m using. The pressure sensitivity is amazing. Particularly in photoshop. The parallax in the main portion of the screen is minimal. However, once you get to the edges it gets a little difficult to use any scroll bars. The corners are even worse. When I close Maya I can’t tell if I’ve hit the X or not because 1, Maya takes forever to close and 2, the parallax makes it hard to hit the button. Speaking of buttons, the side buttons do feel a little cheap. There’s more wiggle/play in them than I’d like which makes screen switching a bit of a pain to do quickly but I’ve gotten used to it at this point. The touch bar is terrible. Don’t even bother with that thing. Actually I’m really not even using the buttons at this point other than for screen switching. All in all I would say for the price tag it’s a great piece of equipment. I would recommend not buying it direct from their website. For some reason they can’t offer free shipping there. But you can buy it from their Amazon store and get the free shipping.
@@BadNewsBerrington yeah the pro one is the one I am getting
Hey bud, with the issue your having with the pen tablet and keyboard, I had the same issue but i bought a mountable keyboard tray for under my desk/pen display. I got it from amazon for like $40, not bad. It solved that problem beautifully, I can now keep my left hand centered just below the pen display and the difference in ergonomics is amazing! So if your desk layout supports a mountable keyboard tray, give it a try...
I just got my first pen display tablet during Black Friday, a Huion Kamvas 13. Its a definite game changer with sculpting. I've even gotten to where I use it off and on in poly modeling just because its so natural. Anyone serious about digital art should at least get drawing tablet and I bet after you get accustom to it, a pen display tablet is gonna be on your wishlist
Found this by accident now. Incredible how I've not seen it yet, and it just adds on to the gut feeling I have had for a while; get a Huion Kamvas. Looking at the Pro 16 2.5K which was released recently :)
My 2 cents here is that once you get used to the pen tablet (Intuos), then the display tablet isnt an automatic improvement. You have to be someone with traditional experience to really get the most out of a display tablet. For example, I used a standard pen tablet (Intuos Medium) for 10+ years and thought I'd like a display tablet. I got one and it ended up collecting dust because I basically had to relearn how to draw on it. It sounds weird, but you really do get used to seeing your image on the screen with a pen tablet. One you transition to looking down and having your hand in the way, and drawing strokes with a different ratio, it felt really bad for me. I do feel way better on my pen tablet, despite having accuracy issues, but truly I'd rather give up a little accuracy (that can be achieved w/ ctrl-z or smoothing tools) and maintain my overall style and perception. I did try to go back to my display tablet to practice and did notice improvement, but working professionally I really didn't have the time to relearn how to draw on a display tablet. Long story short, display tablet is an upgrade for those of you with extensive traditional hands on experience. If, however, youre like me and spent years getting really good on a pen tablet (to the point of working as a contractor for AAA game studios) then it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks and your brain is fairly programmed into using the pen tablet well. My speed is totally fine at the end of the day on the tablet too so I finally decided it wasn't worth using my display tablet at all anymore.
I decided to do my practices on the tablet when I was starting because I noticed my progress in "real" drawing wasn't translating on the tablet so well, I went full tablet and my digital drawing improved a lot , I thought I was the only one who had that problem. I was thinking of getting a 22 pen display for 3d sculpting on Christmas but your comment really made me think, maybe I should try with a cheap small one before diving head on? Thank you for your insight!
@@seragx99 You definitely should try a cheaper pen tablet first. Also keep in mind that sculpting is quite different to drawing, you don't necessarily need to see your strokes as 80-90% of the time you'll probably be doing work with larger volumes when it comes to sculpting. I've been using a really old Wacom Bamboo in zbrush for quite a while and for me its perfectly fine even for professional work.
Sort of the difference between QWERTY and DVORAK.
I totally agree. I started on the Intuos Medium and used it for 4 years and bought a Huion 1080 display because I really wanted a display tablet and it was cool. The problem is the pen and my hand were in the way and the position I had to be in which just wasn't comfortable, and it looked pixelated since now days everything supports 4k. I ended up going back to the Intuos and stuck with it. I am using a 43in 4k smart TV whcih was $300 and my muscle memory is super comfortable on the Intuos.
thanks i have small wacom intous i am thinking to buy screen one since my wacom is dying
but i have question my small wacom cover all the screen so easy to go from the left to the right for little bit of movement but if i had a screen i need to move my whole arm and thinking about that i i'll get pen tablet i really don't want to move my arm just to save file
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much for taking the time to share this. I thought you would like to know ... that yes ... this video really was extremely helpful in terms of 3D use with Huion. Stay safe and well ... Regards from UK!
Thank you! as you said, every review about this kind of product is focused on painting. I'm really glad made this video.
Hope you found it useful :)
I just recently got the continue pro touch. 22 I love it
Do a review in few weeks and let us know what u think.
I use a Huion Kamvas GT-191 V2 together with a Razer Tartarus gaming keypad. It's quite an ergonomic setup.
Also, using a display tablet is more tiring than using a regular tablet because you're forced to sit up straight all the time while your drawing arm is in a raised position.
Whereas with a regular graphics tablet you can just sit back and relax.
Just pointing it out for anyone who's wondering.
I have an XP-Pen 15.6 - bought mostly for portability while still at university - but wish I bought a (22" @1440p) instead of (16" @1080p). I feel the display is not large enough for Zbrush comfortably.
So - I use the XP-Pen mostly just as a second 'on-desk' monitor and still use my Wacom Intuos Pro (with Tourbox Pro) as my main toolset.
Other software seems to be 'ok' on the display (Maya, C4D, Adobe etc), but it's definitely better to use my Wacom across my (34" @2160p) screen and across the display screen on desk also.
One day Cintiq may become affordable, but until then I may consider a better XP-Pen or Huion when I am ready to upgrade tools again.
I´m working on Rhino for Nurbs modelling for about 20 years now and just started out on zbrush, which I wanted to do forever now. Its a great combined workflow, but I had two problems. The navigation in zbrush is completely counter-intuitive to what Rhino does. I have a large 3d-connexion space mouse with a lot of hotkeys available, which I modified to work in the same way it works in Rhino, so I can navigate easily. The other thing is the way to sculpt on a tablet, which I never really warmed up with (have a intuos). Now that I saw your video, I know that I must get the Huion I was pondering anyways. Thank you for your video!
As far as the smaller keyboard, I can definitely recommend one! the Koolertron SMKD72-A. 48 individual mechanical keys laid out in a grid, and each one is fully programmable and can be set to emulate any keypress, combo, or even macros. I've found it is extremely valuable for my workflows. The software leaves a little to be desired, but it's a set-and-forget so unless you're constantly changing up the programming it really shouldn't matter that much.
Thank you. Been looking, for a keyboard just like that!
Instead of a numpad, may I suggest the Tourbox. It's pricey (around $170 USD usually, I've seen it on sale though sometimes) but it has a bunch of unique shaped buttons and knobs. Makes it easier to remember buttons, and adds some other functions you otherwise wouldn't get on a keyboard.
I am left handed and I don't think it matters at all. Since I never did conventional drawing art, I only used to write, I struggled for about a year with a pen tablet. My life changed since I bought a 12 inch screen tablet. I think it is very personal, but, for me, it is surely worth it
Readjustment is huge, but once you get used to it, its really nice. I didn't really improve my ability so much with my screen tablet, so its really up to whether an individual gravitates towards this kind of experience. I personally prefer it
Nice I also have a kamvas 22 plus and I love it. I saved about 500$ or more just by choosing the huion brand over Wacom.
during pandemic i have to work behind small kitchen table so i use mine 22 pro as drawing monitor and regular screen. real live saver for me. mobility is awesome on this devices. I use mine for Zbrush, Substance painter, Photoshop all the time for two years and no single scratch on screen.
IMO the screen tablets are not at all necessary and for me personally actually slows down production. But it is still useful in some situations.
Really like the video. It wasnt overproduced and pretty much a blue collar style impression, which I appreciated a lot.
Like others other too I would love a follow up video, as soon as you piled up some experience with the tablet.
I'm just about to buy a Huion Kamvas 24 Plus. Thank you for this
I just got mine today I cant wait!!!!
I also haven't seen many, if any, sculpting videos on pen displays, thanks for this!
This is my definite experience as well with digital art when I got a Display Tablet when I had been previously using a Pen Tablet.
The ergonomics were the greatest challenge with a Display Tablet, and I had to move and raise my arms a lot more. It may not sound like much, especially when I can bench more than 100kg, but doing that over 6-8+ hours of work multiple days a week is really noticeable. In the beginning I made the mistake of leaving the keyboard too far to the left, resulting in back discomfort; and I also had my references on my other monitor, which lead to some neck discomfort from constantly looking sideways at them over prolonged sessions.
Though funnily enough, even though I met with a lot of initial discomfort, I also noticed my art looked noticeably better when I made it on my Display Tablet as opposed to my old Pen Tablet, even though I was more comfortable and experienced with the latter.
Indeed... Is it worth it? Im so tempted to get one but....
My Cintiq 27 gave me the final push to learn Zbrush. Shouldn’t depend on it but the immersion is unbeatable.
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you!
Fantastic video. I took your advice and purchased the wacom intuos pro when I was starting out. Used It was like 200 bucks USD.
18 months later and i am still loving learning to sculpt. With all that you pointed out it def helps me decide whether I will buy this tablet. Fyi, I think I will ne purchasing one.
It's awesome that this video pops now on my recommended since I want to buy one but was very unsure. Thanks!
It's time to practice typing keyboard with feet
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midi pedals for shifts are pretty viable
@@laurasarkaar1365 all 3DConnexions products are trash, look at the G600 or simple true 3mb cad mouse on aliexpress
@@laurasarkaar1365 there will be not enough buttons on space mouse :)
I got the razer synapse during black friday. it works great for everything. My mouse is also an mmorpg mouse so i can figure almost everything personally. It is way better for me than a keyboard mouse. very configurable
I received mine yesterday, and so far I love it!! It’s my first display tablet, so new to me as well. Great term. I do feel “immersed.”
That is awesome!
Decided to go with Huion Kamvas 22 Plus after viewing this, and no regret, it is really good. Now i just need to learn how to use Zbrush.
I just purchased a Huion Kamvas 16 due to me hating trying to sculpt with a mouse. I'm a complete beginner to digital sculpting but I love to draw and thought, why not. I appreciate what you're saying about the videos for digital sculpting to be fee and gar between. Hopefully you post some more. Thanks!
I have the huion gt 191 v2 and I put it on one of those monitor arm things to keep it off my desk and adjustable. I used an intuos tablet before for 5 years until it started not working anymore for me and so I bit the bullet and got this huion pen display. It didn't take long to adjust and can I just say damn, it feels so good to paint and sculpt on.
Thank you for the sharing your experience and review! Very helpful stuff.
I never really got used to working on a regular drawing tablet, I got my Huion Kamvas GT191 in 2018 and I would never go back!
In my case it really helped me mantain a good posture, I have the tendency of leaning closer to the screen bending my back and it gave me bad neck and shoulder pains. Keeping the screen right under my face helps me keep my back straight while working!
what about the wirst and the arm posture? i feel like that a intous gives you the confort of laying the forearm on the desk... thanks!
Comment about a smaller keyboard:
I use a Razer Tartarus V2. It's meant for gaming BUT it's perfect for one hand. It is marketed towards MMO gamers and those who put tons of macros for like combo move type stuff in games they play. But it has been extremely helpful for my Blender work!! You can map a whole keystroke shortcut to ONE keypress. So like in Blender you do Shift A? Boom. One key press instead of two fingers on a regular keyboard.
Now I don't use Z Brush (yet, broke student lol) so I can't speak for how keystrokes and shortcuts work there, but having a one handed type keypad like the Tartarus is helpful!! Other brands have similar products, again marketed at gamers, but having a single hand sized "keyboard" is so helpful. You also have 20 keys, a mouse wheel, and an 8 way "joystick". And then have 3 profiles so really you have basically at least 60 keys so 60 key shortcuts for sculpting which could be really handy. I bought the Razer one because all my PC peripherals are Razer but I'm sure other similar products that allow for macros would work!! I know Logitech has one.
GT221 Pro - I like the custom keys. Stream Deck is also a good addon
Dude... I love sculpting and I've been getting into digital painting lately. And wanted to get a display tablet for that very purpose. So I've been going crazy looking for the best one I could get for painting/drawing and found that this one was the best, but still had some doubts as I've seen some negative reviews for Huion. But after watching your video I will so buy the Huion 22 Plus, I trust your judgment my man!.
Look into the Tartarus type mini keyboards. Very easy to customise and set up all sorts of macros and fits comfortably while using a pen display. I have one and would love to use it but I'm left handed and they're designed for left hand use :( it does work but ergonomics are obviously jacked up
after i had the chance to work on a cintiq for a half year back in 2018, i bought a xp-pen artist 22HD (because i didn't want to spend too much on a display, and i was curious how different the experience would be) and to my suprise, after 2 years of working with my xp-pen, I am totally happy with my pen display. I never had issues / problems, it feels almost the same as the cintiq, it was quite cheaper, and i feel no difference. maybe I'm just lucky that i never had issues, because i heard the lack of support is a reason why people decide for a different product, but for me the xp-pen is as good as the cintiq.. but like 60% cheaper in the price. So if you don't want to spend too much money, and want to take the risk of not having good support if you have any problems with the driver etc. i recommend the xp-pen
That's perfect then!
I’m getting a wacom cintiq 22 for the large size. Mainly so I can have a big screen to draw on. I’m excited. I hope that keyboard is not to big of an issue
I got the smaller one for 200ish (it’s still really big) I (downgraded) opted to not use the display as I found out I ended up staring at the cursor for precision and the hand was just in the way. I can’t agree with the ergonomics as I found moving the screen to fit my needs was the way to go, and moving across the screen to access something was a pain. For me it just felt unnecessary because it’s really not worth 4x-10x the price of a non display tablet.
while you’re on the exploratory path try VR sculpting, it could be a fun video.
This is exactly what I was looking for, modeling om my computer feels faaar too unnatural, I needed a pen but wasnt sure a pen plus modeling software was a thing yet (I have some 3D modeling experience from art school but, that was almost 20 years ago, drawing tablets didnt even have screens yet), I love the future . . . Well, for the most part 😅
Yay for a screen and a pen!!! 😂
I have a cintiq and an intuos. For sculpt I prefer the intuos... For drawing can use both. With the cintiq you are more accurate but your body will be better with the position that you have with a pen tablet... It's my opinion...
I had a sort of negative experience with "upgrading" from my Wacom Intuos to a Huion Kamvas 16 pro.
Fundamentally, it works, but I've got so many minor issues with it that it makes me want to not use it. Some of them are:
* monitor OSD configuration settings affect another monitor, so I can't calibrate it
* pen is squeaky (this is occasionally infuriating)
* when I don't have it turned on, program windows occasionally disappear onto it anyway
* lower resolution than my other QHD monitors (QHD Kamvas starts at 900 dollars)
* pen input won't work in programs unless I turn on the tablet before the program
* haven't found a comfortable way to use it for long periods of time (I'm just hunched over or looking down all the time)
* using a keyboard with it is annoying
* setting it up with the stand takes time and is somewhat inconvenient (compared to my wireless Intuos)
* pen hand does sometimes get in the way
* pen liftoff distance is very small
* it doesn't immediately turn me into an amazing sculptor
a) regarding to your mentioned discomfort using Kamvas and a keyboard - isn't it the same as with Intuos? you still have to use it aside. So this shouldn't count.
b) Regarding to the setup with the stand - I use Kamvas 22 and I'm really happy with the stand, it's easy to use - of course the display takes the space, but that should be considered before actually buying any equipment, you should organise your workspace in advance.
c) I haven't got any issues with pen liftoff distance, screen recognises the pen at about 10-12mm away from the surface.
d) Also - try to look for firmware or driver updates, maybe that might help so your Kamvas 16 wouldn't collect more dust.
e) take care :)
@@ben-s I use my Intuos flat on the table with the keyboard behind it (slightly offset to the left), so I can easily reach over it with both hands and have full access to the keyboard. The Kamvas being tilted up at a reasonable angle blocks the keyboard. (🙂 / _ instead of 🙂_ _ ).
@@Gcrowan Yeah makes sense. I have my keyboard sliding under the Kamvas in a keyboard "drawer", don't know how these are called, but quite comfortable to have it like that.
Oh man, this makes me wanna get a pen tablet instead. No worrying about screen colour calibration, resolution, parallax or other stuff. Might feel worse not being able to sculpt directly on the model but i think it might take some getting used to, the same way you move a mouse accurately on your screen...
Fun fact. I have the older model Kamvas and can still use my intuos with it. No driver conflict.
Thanks for this video. Now four months later... are you still using it?
I like the video a lot would love to see more on display tablets for 3d artists
I'm starting to run out of desk space and you gave me the great idea to dig out my old palm-sized G13 keyboard to have next to my tablet. The bonus of the G13 is that it has an analogue thumb stick I can use for navigating. I would reccomend getting one but sadly they don't make them anymore. There's plenty of similar things on the market.
EDIT - nice sculpt for a first sculpt on some new hardware btw!
Also, I wonder if it's worth looking at a screen protector?
It's about palm size, so less keys. 22 keys plus two 'mouse click' buttons and an analogue thumb stick. It also has a small screen for old school RSS feeds and game data.
There's a few similar units out there these days. I know Razer made one and there's also fairly inexpensive ones that have mechanical keys for gaming.
thank you a lot. exactly video i looking for
Something that I use and I can't work without anymore is a space mouse.
There are small ones but I have the one with the buttons and that works great.
I would post a pic of my setup but can't on youtube.
Great video, dude 👍 very helpful
I think it's always good to learn about new things such as this. I Have recently started to use Zbrush and my workflow is really slow using keyboard and mouse but wasn't sure about a display like this and since I could use it as a second monitor is sounds ideal. I definitely love hearing about things you guys have tried and tested. I look like to hear what you guys think about CAD mouse or a 3D mouse as an option
I put my Cintiq pro 24 on an arm for the ergonomics and have no problem at all. Although it's 4k, I often find myself using my tablet and iMac 5k display because the visual is far superior on the iMac.
When i got myself a 22 inch display (coming from a smaller cintiq 13 hd) i was also facing the problem of "where the heck do i put my keyboard now?". A smaller keyboard didn't help either and i ended up buy an ergonomitc arm for it that i clamp onto my desk - was another like, 120 euros unfortunately, but it was the right decision in the end.
I gotta say tho that after i got the display, i was stoked at first, but i also thought "ugh, this actually might be too big for my taste" and in hindsight i actually think i would fare better with a normal graphics tablet and a big screen instead of the display itself.
Now, i'm happy and all with it now, but if anyone thinks about getting a big display and has the option to try it first, then do that for sure and see if you actually like it :)
I use a wacom pro medium, 3D mouse with a programmable keypad next to it. Saves having to search for key and pressing multiple keys for some functions
Is no one gonna talk about his modeling skills
the major issue for me was as in I have used a Wacom small on my laptop since 2014 and a Wacom pro large on the desktop and the big reason i switched was have nerve damage as a disabled vet and lose feeling in my hands so have to watch what I am doing with my hands constantly so when I would use them I had issues drawing and such looking at monitor and drawing elseware on the tablet so with the pen monitor it solves that issue
Maybe you could use a space mouse for the other hand for fluent rotation
Amazing 🤩 I want one eventually.
@FlippedNormals You could occasionally use an on-screen keyboard that windows have. Just for renaming things as you said.
on the spot... really hesitating about upgrading to the huion 16 from my intuos. I agree, a follow up vid would be nice in a couple of weeks to see how you've adjusted. Congrats and keep it up!
i got myself a stand to float the keyboard over my desk on my left so i can move it where i need it while im working.
Loved the review! Would love to see more videos like this
Hey I want one of these but nobody ever talks about the texture of the screen. :(
I hate the "paper feel" texture or however they market the nib eating surfaces from any company that my heavy hand uses to destroy the nibs on.
Like on my intuos pro for example, I had to put a regular tablet screen protector to stop feeling like I'm using a chalk board.
Is it like smooth hard glass? I really want to find something smooth like an iPad for this! Please Morton, save me!
Nice video! You're right, it is tough to come quality videos of this kind from the perspective of a 3d artist.
I'm not a professional but I do have some education in digital graphics and currently enjoy it a lot as a hobby (I do pretty much anything I feel like. 3d, 2d, animation etc). My trusty Intuos broke down a few years ago (not the tablet, but the cord) after almost a decade of service and since then I've spent what little time I've allocated to art on traditional media. A few months ago I decided to replace the tablet and started looking at pen displays. Had I done some better research I might have looked more into the Huion displays. They do look nice from what I can tell. I ended up buying a Wacom One (mostly since I've been very happy with their products in the past and I couldn't justify spending the money on a Cintiq) and I am very happy with it so far. The small size doesn't bother me nearly as much as I thought but that might be because I have next to no experience with larger, or any really, pen displays in general. My main issue with it is that it lacks any kind of mount interface on the back so getting it to sit well on my monitor arm required some hacks.
You should look into a SpaceMouse for your left hand, allows you to navigate and has buttons to pop up radial menus for commonly used tools. I don't have one myself (yet) but have been eyeing one.
I do have a pen display though, i just got a underdesk drawer that I can tilt so I can keep my hand there comfortably.
Thanks for the candid assessment of this kind of tablet for sculpture. I'm mainly interested in sculpture but also 2D drawing/painting as well. I come from a 2D/real clay drawing/sculpture type background but haven't done either thing in over 20 years. I bought an inexpensive Wacom tablet a few years back but it's never gotten much use. It seemed weird and difficult to look at a vertical screen in front of me but be trying to draw or maneuver something on the tablet. It just seemed odd, and compounding that fact with the cheaper tablet being only flat on the desktop made things more complex. Additionally, I work at a standing desk, but can also sit in a tall chair at the same desk, so I wanted something like a tablet that would work comfortably for both positions. A friend just bought one of the newer 19" tablets from Huion for both sculpting and drawing and so I was interested and pleased to see your assessment for use in sculpting. I feel like I might have a slight advantage in adapting to using this type of accessory because I don't have a long term set of workflow habits in either sculpting or drawing programs. I like the idea of drawing on the same surface I'm looking at much more than the disjointed aspect of pen tablet. Anyway, you've sold me on getting a Huion for sculpting and I think it'll be a great compliment to my learning, especially because I've not developed any habits or attachments to specific tools or programs yet.
I've bought huion gt-191v2 a year or two back, in hopes that the performance was close to a cintiq as many reviews showed, and it's collecting dust in the corner. The cintiqs that I used at my school, the 13HD, were better in every single aspect. It makes me really hesitant to buy another huion tablet tbh. The accuracy, especially with smaller strokes close to each other, is not there. The drivers are not great, and have relatively limited control. Even though it's an ips display, the colors aren't really that good. And it takes a bit of pressure to activate the pen, meaning if you're used to sketching lightly, it's a no go. I ended up going back to my intuos 3..
Maybe this huion upped their game and this pro version is better, but I was definitely disappointed with my first huion.
It seems as though they are improving a lot. I've been watching reviews on this one, I dont have it, but it seems like its better than the cintiq 22 in every way. Half the price, laminate display, faster pen response, better screen, but I can't verify it myself. I think Wacom is just out of their minds on pricing, they act like they're apple. There is no reason for these things to cost thousands of dollars.
you could go for a 60% or 40% keyboard, they take way less space, and with layer you can always have the numpad with combinations, or have it separatly
How's the 'disconnected' issue?
The one thing I struggle with a lot going from a tablet to a pen display is that working in zbrush has gotten slower. I did the same thing as you, right hand on the keyboard (I'm left handed), and then typing anything like naming has become a chore. I've found that selecting brushes isn't as fast, menu actions aren't as fast. Etc
Have 156GTv2 and its nice from Huion
I never got used to drawing and sculpting on my wacom tablet with no screen on it.... and i got a huion screen tablet 3 years ago and i got used to it and my stuff comes out better. It depends on the person how they work with hands on projects. I dont regret my purchase either. I do regret the wacom tablet purchase though cause i hated it. I donated it to my best friends little brother who just finished high school and got into 3d and video gaming creation. At least i can help him figure out how to go about a tablet now that he got a free one lol
Also without the disconnect you can just rotate your hand and put it in different positions..you can't really do that with a graphic tablet except if you have the musclememory.
Been using a drawing tablet for years. No pen display. Am i missing much?
Actually No. The ergonomics of a drawing tablet is far superior. The only area I find a display tablet a little bit more precise is for inking over lines. And I'm sure by now, your hand-eye coordination is great. I don't have any problems with drawing and putting accurate lines down. I rarely Ctrl-Z.
i've been thinking weather i should transition from tablet to pen display too! thanks for this video.
Any time!
I have a md770 keyboard, has everything but the numbpad and it splits in half, love the keyboard itself, I do want to switch to some aqua zilent switches though
Buy a macropad Wooting has a real nice one. Also the best in normal keyboards.
get a huion keydial for te hotkeys and for the dial on it... its numpad size
a great choice for a video morten, I recently got a pen display myself and I like it but what bothers me is my hand blocks the view sometimes of when I'm trying to sculpt line details or things like that. I've tried looking on youtube to see if others had similar issues but haven't found how others deal with it.
I like my huion, the firmare ui sucks but it's not too bad
I see you posted this video about 5 months ago - how is the device holding out? Screen still good etc?
I bought a second hand cintiq that came with an arm. This lifts it above the surface and I can put my keyboard to the front and centre. I use it all day every day and have less issues with physical pain than using the desk tablets.
I am so used to it now I can’t think of a better way.