So basically instead of directly plugging your headset into the computer you plug it into these audio interfaces to enhance your mic and overall game sound quality?
Ye .. But how does it handle a headset like hd58x? 🤔🤷♂️ It raised more questions then it did answering the ones I had to start with .. But I guess no one can actually be bothered to review this product 🙄
Schiit is a fantastic company. I have the Magni and Modi and the quality is absolutely great. No matter what product you are getting, you are purchasing quality.
Hey Dimitri. Thanks for making these videos. I didn't go with the Fulla 3 instead I choose to go for the Sound Blaster 3x because of the surround sound features. Your reviews are extremely helpful though. The nuance you bring to the conversation through your easy to follow comparisons really make me sure I am choosing the right product for me.
Honestly, using the Sennheiser PC37X mic is not the best representation of what the Schiit Fulla 3 or Schiit Hel offers when it comes to mic quality. Seems like this was more biased for selling purposes. I love the PC37X but V-Moda Boom Pro mic and the ModMic 5 probably have way better mic quality compared to the PC37X mic. Look up other reviews where they utilize these mics and they sound so much better. Also, I am not sure but Dimitri probably didn't check the bit rate settings for the mic input in windows audio settings. I have read that sometimes some hardware won't default to the best bit rate it can handle and might be set to a lower bit rate, thus not giving you the best quality you can get. I'm surprised he hasn't reviewed the Mayflower Ark Mk2 yet since its a competitor to the Schiit Hel.
I'm 6 months in with my Schiit Stack (Modi 3 & Magni 3) hooked up to my Sennheiser HD600 and it is a dream. For best surround sound I just use Dolby Atmos Headphones software and it's insane. I've never experienced better audio not just for gaming but music and movies and everything.
@@Hectorscarclub13 I did look I to those. The one downside I see is the mic is not detachable, where I like to use the headset outside of playin games with the bro's.
I've got SHP9500 + V-Moda Boom Pro after you showed it and now I've got Sennheiser Game One because you showed it. Well done man, well done :-D Good that I'm still happy with SoundBlaster G3 and GSX1000 is a bit on an expensive side.
Thank you for the really good overview and review. I agree with your conclusions. For gaming, it's Sennheiser HPs and their microphones FTW. Amp-wise the Schiit Hel is bomb, they've nailed it with a very nice solution that will work great for many, many users. Love the no-hassle, no-drivers-required approach, and the external mic volume control is fantastic for in-game adjustment on the fly. The sound quality and value of the 37x and Hel combo is nearly unbeatable for the $$ right now!
I got GSX 1000 and just paired it with a pretty simple yet powerful SMSL sAp II Pro amplifier and now I still have that amazing 7.1 whenever I want, but volume/power problems are gone :) I am using HD 58X as well
0:10 you and many techtubers have covered creative without talking about their horrendous aftercare and planned obsolescence. Many soundblaster z owners like have completely lost encoders options for like a year and many issues we had with the sbz have carried over to newer product lines like audio skipping and jumbled 5.1 speaker sound(center coming out of random speakers etc). They deleted their forums because of all the issues and their subreddit is beyond a joke. When the issue happened they created a diagnostic tool to gather info they got like 50 from the subreddit and then ignored the reports and came out with a new tool like 6+ months later and of course people moved on to newer solutions and had to ditch their sgz.
I can confirm that, got a broken Soundblaster Z as well which changed the 5.1 speaker outputs randomly and the software just didn't work at all most of the time. No product from Creative for me any time soon.
This has happened for most of Creatives existence, they made good sounding products for glowing reviews but then never get the software right, never release driver updates when windows moved between major versions and designed products to die very quickly. I got some 4.1 speakers from them on which the bass unit (master of the others) died after a month, after a year of trying to get them repaired and sent back and several hundred pounds of phone calls (i could have bought multiple new sets) i got them returned, a second set arrived a week later. And then they both died after a month of use.
Sadly this is true. I use to own an SB Z a couple years ago and loved it, especially the ability to use optical out to my Schiit Modi and still be able to use their 5.1 virtual surround sound. but after they started releasing more new audio hardware, they neglected a lot of their other products, especially in the software side of things. My SB Z for some reason was giving me problems, from random pops to random audio settings changing, while Windows 10 was doing updates and Creative Labs not staying up to date with customer feedback, my SB Z was becoming useless every day. Creative Labs needs to get their Schiit together or else they are going to disappear against these other companies that seem to be doing much better.
Wow, I have very similar setups! I have a magni 3 connected the gsx1000 to driver headphones and preamp the speakers. Fantastic results as the virtual surround even work with my speakers. This is great for anything really. But I use my Audeze Mobius/hyperx Orbit S more often as it can be quickly disconnected to turn into the Bluetooth mode for convenience, which can’t be said about almost every other gaming headphones. And finally I have fulla-like fav/amp, the iDSD nano bl for music on my laptop. What I learned is that if you want an all in one solution, get an Audeze Mobius/HyperX orbit S and you are done! Great sound, insane versatility, amazing techs, and convenience. Nothing comes closein terms of tech packages it offers.
Man I own the same thing. The dolby is great. The 7.1 sounds muffled though. Been using it since 2011 but I only owned a Hyper X CLoud v1 headphone so far. So I'm told by audiophiles that I'm wrong, and that they'd never believe me when I said the DGX with Dolby sounds better than the Fiio E10K.
@@zerotactix5739 Use HeSuvi for 7.1 instead (if you're using it for headphones). I've had this card for like 8 years and it's still the best sounding card for the price in my opinion. I've also tried various dacs and other audio equipment and heard nothing from them that warrants spending all that money in comparison to this card. It's just simply awesome.
Thanks for the excellent review on gaming audio. I travel a lot and i hook up my Alienware Area 51m with Hel and Sennheiser Game One Headset. Perfect solution for gaming, video conferencing and audio solutions. Have tested it with a variety of gaming communications solutions such as Discord and Teamspeak. In my opinion - Hel is the way to move forward. Doesnt take up too much desk space and its portability is unquestionable. The only quip about Hel is the lack of USB C type connector. It is after all 2020.
LOL I got the Schiit Hell a week ago and its a beast XD and i'm very happy with it - specially with the fact its powerful in case i'll buy ( and i sure will) more decent headphone like DT 1990 Pro
You can get surround sound, the same kind utilized by the GSX 1000, or any other surround sound device for that matter if you install Equalizer APO to ANY sound device, and install HeSuVi. I am currently running HeSuVi on a Khadas Tone Board in a mode that replicates the sound I got from my old Dolby Headphone adapter. So you can even add simulated surround sound to a Fulla 3.
I'm trying not to fall down the rabbit hole of DACs and Amps. I've settled on the GSX myself just because I'm down with side tone and chat mix. Paired with the PC37x of course.
yeah, it's a dangerous, expensive road. This schiit stuff has good design with decent audio quality, so it'll act as a gateway drug once folks figure out that there are MUCH better dacs out there. Between Z-Reviews & the AudioScienceReview site, you can find yourself on a never-ending quest for something better. The trick is to find something that YOU think sounds good & be happy! (sigh.. says the guy on some HD660s' & an RME dac)
The Schiit stack setup seems to be more than capable for gaming, and its step up from the GSX1000, but I stopped using the GSX1000 after I started experimenting with higher bit and sample rate stereo, compared to the 7.1 function. The spacial sound from the 7.1 is impressive, but it takes a massive nosedive with the midrange becoming so muted its kinda shocking at first. Stereo at higher quality samplerate and bitrate sounds better to me, at the slight expense of the 7.1. I'm probably gonna sell the GSX1000 now, and retire my Sennheister GSP600's, coz I got the Hifiman Sundura's to go with the Schiit stack, and I'm not planning on upgrading again.
@@It7xc ive kept my fulla 2. the only other thing I bought since then was an Audioquest dragon fly red just so I can use these headphones with a laptop more easily. the great thing about hd58x is that it doesn't require too much to get good sound stage which is nice
I'm a cheap bastard, I use a Fosi Audio Q4 dac/amp, a S.M.S.L. tube preamp (for certain headphones), and a variety of budget headphones/IEMs. ATH-AD500x, Monoprice Modern Retro, AKG K240, TRN V30, KZ ZSN Pro, and for when I don't want anything on my head or in my ears, Massdrop + Koss KSC75X. For a mic I use a BM-800 through a Neewer power supply. All very good budget stuff. I haven't used speakers on my PC in many years, but I have a set of Edifier R1280T's on the way. I've been interested in trying out some different dac/amps, this one is definitely going on my list.
great video, I will get the HD 58X and pair them with an X3, I understand your point but that hardware gives me the exact broad characteristics I use as an eclectic music lover and gaming, I searched for combination of X3 with the mentioned Sennheiser in this video and every single person just love the mix
If you can afford it just get the Ifi Micro IDSD the 3D+ is awesome in games its all hardware no software DSP that introduces distortion and can output up to 4 watts of power. The sound is natural and about as good as it gets before diminishing returns for higher priced equipment starts to kick in. And as for the mic just buy a USB microphone seriously the Fifine for $30 is amazing.
This! I've been using the Magni 3 with my DT990 since a while now, coming from onboard audio it was somewhat of a revelation... although their delivery times here in the EU suck :D
I use a surround sound system half the time, partially for media (movies/YT or music) and some games like RPGs and stuff, while i use headphones for FPS and atmospheric games. So something that can be used with a 5.1 setup or something multichannel at least is nice. Cant wait to upgrade my peripherals once i have a new monitor lol.
Considering what I am using for my audio set up at this time anything that'll help with audio quality is a plus. Good showcase of this tech sir. I was very entertained. (:
@@1117Jrod hey man. I actually went with the PC37X w/ no amp/dac. Reason being is that this what I could afford at the time and I don't think I needed anything more than that. In terms of Tarkov though, it's great. Not sure if if I can compare since I gave away my old Cloud Core before playing Tarkov.
@@ThatAnonymousGuy234 that’s awesome man Congrats. Decided to go 38x with a amp/dac. But only cuz I had more in my budget and figured I could benefit later down the road if need be. Thanks bud! See you in Tarkov!
For me my set up is Topping D70 DAC -> THX AAA 789 AMP -> Focal Elex headphones. I also have the HD58X Jubilees & the HD6XX which both sounds really good too and should be more than enough to 90%+ of ppl but the audio quality is definitely better on the Focal Elex.
Can’t afford gaming DAC, so I used HeSuVi thru Equalizer APO to get better surround for my PC37X from my motherboard sound card. Games such as Modern Warfare can really use it because the default settings for headphone leaves a lot to be desired for audio positioning.
Hey, I hope someone sees this .. I been trying to find the perfect headphone for gaming but I have no idea about audio. So what do you guys recommend me, this Schiit Amp and PC37x or the logitech g935 ? Which one am I going to get better surround sound and cleaner audio to spot enemies in corners and that kind of stuff. Thanks a lot
I would recommend the PC37x. I have the game one but the 37x is just a rebrand so its the same thing. Very comfortable and really good sound quality. I love everything about it. The only minor downside that I haven't really seen many people talk about is the fact that sometimes since the headset is open back the audio coming from the headphones can leak into the mic. But besides that I wholeheartedly recommend it.
Stereo audio gives better positioning in games than any virtual surround technology. Surround is nice in some single player games or movies though. Go with the PC37x or similar quality stereo headset(CM MH751/2 maybe?) and if you find the audio lacking, you can then get into dacs/amps.
I am in a similar boat, I am wanting to go for the sennheiser HD6xx and a mod-mic wireless, after my research I think that's a good combo I will be going for in the near future, coming off the hyper x cloud.
Thank you sooo much for your help guys, i will go with Schiit and PC37x. I hope the money is well spent. Again thanks a lot and yall have a great day and stay safe from covid
Just saw your video and it makes me think back of the time I changed towards real headphone audio brands for using on my PC (gaming, movies and music). I ended up with the Beyerdynamic DT990 pro + Sound Blaster Z sound card as it had a headphone out that could drive headphones up to 600 Ohm. I really loved it. I was worried at first because that headphone came recommended by audiophiles which in my book usually stand for audio that is balanced, accurate but no fun at all to listen to (Audio Technica style). The DT990 Pro was not balanced. It actually sounded perfect for my needs as I tend to play more single player games and usually the ones that require more emphasis on soundstage to get better drawn into the game. It, however, was nice for positional audio as well due to its elevated highs although most likely not comparable with more balanced headphones that might offer better performance in that area due to their balanced sound signature. I do get frustrated that often when headphones or headsets are reviewed the games you see are 90% shooters...reviewers, please realize their are other type of players as well that would like to know how a certain headphone or headset sounds when playing RPG's instead. This is alomost never really covered. Now, however, the main drawback is that it is an open-back design and that's just a huge problem in my case as I often play late at night or even during the night. And also, it is wired which forces me to stay at my desk (instead of getting comfy on the bed while watching a movie without the need of a long extension cable. So, to get to the point, your video caught my attention as I was hoping to see a headphone (no mic needed) that has a closed-back design and is wireless (I understand the limitations of wired vs wireless in terms of possibilities) that still sounds far better than the typical gaming headsets. So, might be a bit off-topic but if you did come across some options, just let me know :) For now my Sound Blaster Z and DT990 Pro 250 Ohm remains my best setup for gaming
Thank you for your excellent video, editing, and sharing with us your journey to audio perfection with a focus on gaming (without the gaming gimmicks. So refreshing.) Like and subscribed, slapped the bell, wore the tinfoil hat, all of it. Hel Mic sounds notably better in my opinion. I will say the demos are a pretty clear example of why a windscreen is necessary, the plosives were out of control. I think it's worth noting that if you have a usb port on your desktop that delivers as much or more than the included 2.1 amps, cable management or wall power shouldn't be as much of a concern, as you should (not personally tested,) be able to go right to that instead of all the way to the wall.
Just got the Creative Sound Blaster AE-7 to go with my Sennheiser Game Ones. Haven’t hooked it up yet. Definitely considered the Hel but it doesn’t have Creative ALchemy and I play a lot of older games so EAX support is a must!
Headphones first. Unless you have clear problems with current audio source going for new/discrete AMP and/or DAC isn't worth it/going to change anything. If you're not happy with sound invest into new headphones.
if you end up with some powerhungry headphones you are fine, if you get let's say AKG K702 which are hard to power get also FiiO A5, but keep Omni 5.1, microphone quality is best you can get basically because it have 2 additional microphones built-in to leave the noise out, especially if you have loud mechanical keyboard
Being a huge Creative Sound Blaster fan, I think the Schiit Hel had the best mic sound. "How do you say Schiit without getting demonetized?" Try pronouncing it properly as intended in German; It's pronounced like "Sheet", like a sheet of paper or bed sheets. But with a bit stronger "ch"-sound just like you have in the word "sh!t"
Do you use a mic at all? If so, what was your solution for that? I'm looking at getting either a Magni/Modi or a Hel, but I'm pretty much always on Discord, even in single player games.
@@kevinobrien1026 I just use a blue snowball (usb mic) that cost me about $30 on Amazon and a cheap mic stand that was about $10 to keep it mounted right in front of my mouth, then I just run the usb cable along the stand and plug it into the usb hub built into my monitor, but something like a modmic uni would work well too if you can find a way to run the cable to the back of your computer
"I've always tried to stay clear of bad audio products" *makes videos on Logitech and Razer speakers* Those don't go together. Logitechs are known as being the worst speakers out there, and Razers aren't any better.
@@TalesOfWar If the manufacturer of your speakers or headphones also sells keyboards, don't be surprised if you get an earache! There are enough alternative: Teufel Concept C or even Kanto YU4
I appreciate the review. It would have been nice in your testing at the end to include the Sennheiser GSX 1000. I bought this after your earlier review and buying Creatives multiple versions and many other options from Amazon. I must have spent two months trying and trying until I found or heard the the GSX 1000.
At the moment i am using the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro with the Schiit Hel, it has amazing quality. I was using the Hyperx Orbit but after getting into the DT 1990, I really don'y wanna go back. Open backs are the best for audio and with my setup, I don't seeing it getting better, for now that is.
I'm a console pleb and just have my headset plugged into my controller which I have wired into the console and Dolby Atmos set up. I switch between the movie mode when watching media and the game performance mode for games.
Got the Schiit stack as my gaming audio :) Magni 3 Headphone amp, Modi 3 DAC and the Loki tone control PreAmp. Enough power to run my Fostex T50RP Mk3s.
Can you make a video on the BEST Streaming Audio Setup? Best sound headphones without a mic, like the HD650, and best individual mic, like the Shure SM7B that shroud uses? Having a headset with both maybe compromises either sound or mic sometimes... what if there were 2 seperate options, for a good price, without compromises? :)
pretty sure creative now has a small one too, that's even cheaper than that fulla 3 (60€), creative G3, i think. it's also USB powered, mic input, all that stuff, but they say it can still power headphones up to 300ohm... could be a good alternative too but i'm not very knowledgeable on these things :p
Great video, I really like when you do audio gears. I was pleased to hear the microphone sound through all those device, even tho it's not perfectly representative of the reality cause I'm listening through an imperfect speaker system I still can hear a difference and it has directed me toward the schiit hel more than the others. I currently have the syba sonic and it's doing it's job way better than the onboard audio but I still intend to replace it with something else. In the meantime, I'm looking for any suggestion for a small desktop amplifier to power my mordaunt-short bookshelves speakers and use the syba (or it's replacement) as a preamp.
I replaced my SteelSeries Arctis Pro +GameDAC with Razer Tiamat 7.1 v2 (the 5 drivers per ear headset). The Tiamat takes some setting up and needs 7.1 supporting analogue card. All I can say is by far the best headset I have tried. Sound in Squad is incredible. The Arctis Pro is poor in comparison and digital 7.1 is poor. I can't believe any single driver headset will get close to replicating the detail of the Tiamat.
*Watches someone else play with their custom sound on my headphones processed through a TH-cam video*
Me: Wow he's right this thing slaps
To be faire that's the quality you'll hear if he was streaming on TH-cam or Twitch
This is the tesla of audio
More like this schiit slaps!
@@sarmadferoz1937 ayyyyyy
@@sarmadferoz1937 kekwah shigga fulliga
Dimitri: this amplifier and DAC is so perfect for my needs
Also Dimitri: this is fulla schiit
Squad asking me why my audio sounds so good
Me: DUDE I HAVE SCHIIT AUDIO
he might say that you're Fulla Schitt
@@EemzWayTiGame not until you schitt on them in game
you are wrong, SOO WRONG!
Dude, I have THE SHIIT audio. Just listen!
all of yall puns are SCHIIT xD
So basically instead of directly plugging your headset into the computer you plug it into these audio interfaces to enhance your mic and overall game sound quality?
Super impressed with the mic quality on the Fulla 3.
Ye .. But how does it handle a headset like hd58x? 🤔🤷♂️
It raised more questions then it did answering the ones I had to start with .. But I guess no one can actually be bothered to review this product 🙄
Schiit is a fantastic company. I have the Magni and Modi and the quality is absolutely great. No matter what product you are getting, you are purchasing quality.
What microphone do you use with ut Fulla 3?
Which do you prefer if you used the PC38X headset and play BR like Warzone or Warzone 2.0?
Holy Schiit the Fulla has come a long way from the first one...
It's TWO more than the original!
@@terbo2000 lmao
@@terbo2000 two?! That's almost as many as 3
Hey Dimitri. Thanks for making these videos. I didn't go with the Fulla 3 instead I choose to go for the Sound Blaster 3x because of the surround sound features. Your reviews are extremely helpful though. The nuance you bring to the conversation through your easy to follow comparisons really make me sure I am choosing the right product for me.
Will this give me 360° sound immersion while I'm watching hentai?
lets you feel dem spanks yo
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH STOOOOOOPID
Asking the real questions.
You will feel the loads spray around you.
finally a man of culture
Thank you for showing me the Sound Blaster X3!
It's perfect for what I need it for and it completely flu under my reader.
Honestly, using the Sennheiser PC37X mic is not the best representation of what the Schiit Fulla 3 or Schiit Hel offers when it comes to mic quality. Seems like this was more biased for selling purposes. I love the PC37X but V-Moda Boom Pro mic and the ModMic 5 probably have way better mic quality compared to the PC37X mic. Look up other reviews where they utilize these mics and they sound so much better. Also, I am not sure but Dimitri probably didn't check the bit rate settings for the mic input in windows audio settings. I have read that sometimes some hardware won't default to the best bit rate it can handle and might be set to a lower bit rate, thus not giving you the best quality you can get. I'm surprised he hasn't reviewed the Mayflower Ark Mk2 yet since its a competitor to the Schiit Hel.
I'm 6 months in with my Schiit Stack (Modi 3 & Magni 3) hooked up to my Sennheiser HD600 and it is a dream. For best surround sound I just use Dolby Atmos Headphones software and it's insane. I've never experienced better audio not just for gaming but music and movies and everything.
Schiit Hel Mod Mic 4.0 Sennheiser HD6xx : amazing audio
I literally have that set up on order right now! I opped for the wireless mod mic. Can't wait for it to get here!
Then you should try the mmx 300 by bayerdynamics second gen and I’ll bet you my pc that you will never touch that hd6xx ever again!
Never touching modmic. Such a useless product.
Damn I have the Hd6xx and I’m thinking of getting the Schiit Hel.
@@Hectorscarclub13 I did look I to those. The one downside I see is the mic is not detachable, where I like to use the headset outside of playin games with the bro's.
i have had a schiit headphone (all tube) preamp for a LONG time. They are very nice audiophile quailty gear, highly regarded in this world.
This is definitely one of your best videos, the editing was SO good!
I've got SHP9500 + V-Moda Boom Pro after you showed it and now I've got Sennheiser Game One because you showed it. Well done man, well done :-D
Good that I'm still happy with SoundBlaster G3 and GSX1000 is a bit on an expensive side.
The perfect audio setup is one that I cannot afford right now 😂
Thank you for the really good overview and review. I agree with your conclusions.
For gaming, it's Sennheiser HPs and their microphones FTW.
Amp-wise the Schiit Hel is bomb, they've nailed it with a very nice solution that will work great for many, many users. Love the no-hassle, no-drivers-required approach, and the external mic volume control is fantastic for in-game adjustment on the fly.
The sound quality and value of the 37x and Hel combo is nearly unbeatable for the $$ right now!
That's is some rEaLlY gOoD ScHiIt
hel yeah brother
Nice! I was just looking to buy the Schiit Fulla 3, so the timing of the video couldn't have been better.
Damn the Hel mic sounds way better, IMO
I agree completely
2x as good for 2x the price. Checks out.
I like the aggressiveness of the Fulla but the Hel is much cleaner.
@@adaml.5355 I'm sorry but no. I love creative but the x3 isn't that great.
even onboard audio sounded better than the fulla imo. Fulla came accros as really harsh to my ears
Just bought a Schiit Asgard 3 with USB DAC module, and I have been very happy with it. I didn't realize how clean audio out of my PC could be.
The best hardware won't do shit when the game itself is broken
*cough* warzone
*cough* steps coming from the left, dude appearing on the right
u probably wearing ur headphones backwards lol.
@@goofyboogie1891 nah warzone audio is trash
you coughing to much in this corona virus pandemic
I think warzone audio is pretty damn good with a good setup
@@lawrencealleyne1427 It has improved a lot to be fair. It was way more inconsistent 4 months ago
I got GSX 1000 and just paired it with a pretty simple yet powerful SMSL sAp II Pro amplifier and now I still have that amazing 7.1 whenever I want, but volume/power problems are gone :) I am using HD 58X as well
0:10 you and many techtubers have covered creative without talking about their horrendous aftercare and planned obsolescence. Many soundblaster z owners like have completely lost encoders options for like a year and many issues we had with the sbz have carried over to newer product lines like audio skipping and jumbled 5.1 speaker sound(center coming out of random speakers etc). They deleted their forums because of all the issues and their subreddit is beyond a joke. When the issue happened they created a diagnostic tool to gather info they got like 50 from the subreddit and then ignored the reports and came out with a new tool like 6+ months later and of course people moved on to newer solutions and had to ditch their sgz.
I can confirm that, got a broken Soundblaster Z as well which changed the 5.1 speaker outputs randomly and the software just didn't work at all most of the time. No product from Creative for me any time soon.
This has happened for most of Creatives existence, they made good sounding products for glowing reviews but then never get the software right, never release driver updates when windows moved between major versions and designed products to die very quickly. I got some 4.1 speakers from them on which the bass unit (master of the others) died after a month, after a year of trying to get them repaired and sent back and several hundred pounds of phone calls (i could have bought multiple new sets) i got them returned, a second set arrived a week later. And then they both died after a month of use.
Hey thanks for this information, I was considering their products, but I think I might stick with things that do not require driver updates.
@@SuperSeigerman I'm using onboard on my x370 crosshair 6 but think I may move to the sennheisser gsx1000 if it goes for 80 quid or so.
Sadly this is true. I use to own an SB Z a couple years ago and loved it, especially the ability to use optical out to my Schiit Modi and still be able to use their 5.1 virtual surround sound. but after they started releasing more new audio hardware, they neglected a lot of their other products, especially in the software side of things. My SB Z for some reason was giving me problems, from random pops to random audio settings changing, while Windows 10 was doing updates and Creative Labs not staying up to date with customer feedback, my SB Z was becoming useless every day.
Creative Labs needs to get their Schiit together or else they are going to disappear against these other companies that seem to be doing much better.
Wow, I have very similar setups!
I have a magni 3 connected the gsx1000 to driver headphones and preamp the speakers. Fantastic results as the virtual surround even work with my speakers. This is great for anything really.
But I use my Audeze Mobius/hyperx Orbit S more often as it can be quickly disconnected to turn into the Bluetooth mode for convenience, which can’t be said about almost every other gaming headphones.
And finally I have fulla-like fav/amp, the iDSD nano bl for music on my laptop.
What I learned is that if you want an all in one solution, get an Audeze Mobius/HyperX orbit S and you are done! Great sound, insane versatility, amazing techs, and convenience. Nothing comes closein terms of tech packages it offers.
2:58 "Speakers (I'm Fulla Schiit)" on the bottom right corner.
Classic memes. 😁😁😁
Would love to see how this compares to the Soundblaster G3. That little guy with the bluetooth to your phone to adjust mix and volume is awseome!
This is some good schiit
I'll walk myself out now
Oh wait
damn it I thought 1 was bad enough.
Bring dat ass ear boi
NO SCHIIT
Asus Xonar DGX. Headphone Amp in it. Sounds great and powers my HD6XX to levels far beyond comfort. And it's like, 1/3 the price.
Man I own the same thing. The dolby is great. The 7.1 sounds muffled though. Been using it since 2011 but I only owned a Hyper X CLoud v1 headphone so far. So I'm told by audiophiles that I'm wrong, and that they'd never believe me when I said the DGX with Dolby sounds better than the Fiio E10K.
@@zerotactix5739 Use HeSuvi for 7.1 instead (if you're using it for headphones). I've had this card for like 8 years and it's still the best sounding card for the price in my opinion. I've also tried various dacs and other audio equipment and heard nothing from them that warrants spending all that money in comparison to this card. It's just simply awesome.
I legit have 0 USB type C items, that aren't my phone charger.. So I quite appreciate that you were disappointed with no type C for this device.
I have 5 products that use usb C. Only two ports on my motherboard.
Thanks for the excellent review on gaming audio. I travel a lot and i hook up my Alienware Area 51m with Hel and Sennheiser Game One Headset. Perfect solution for gaming, video conferencing and audio solutions. Have tested it with a variety of gaming communications solutions such as Discord and Teamspeak. In my opinion - Hel is the way to move forward. Doesnt take up too much desk space and its portability is unquestionable. The only quip about Hel is the lack of USB C type connector. It is after all 2020.
LOL
I got the Schiit Hell a week ago and its a beast XD
and i'm very happy with it - specially with the fact its powerful in case i'll buy ( and i sure will) more decent headphone like DT 1990 Pro
looks like a great setup. I just got my dt 990 pro with sound blaster g6 and the blue yeti mic and I couldnt be happier.
I would have liked to hear the microphone input on the Sennheiser GSX1000
Fully seconding this one :)
I'm using the GSX as well and would be nice to know whether there's any significant advantage to upgrading or not.
You can get surround sound, the same kind utilized by the GSX 1000, or any other surround sound device for that matter if you install Equalizer APO to ANY sound device, and install HeSuVi. I am currently running HeSuVi on a Khadas Tone Board in a mode that replicates the sound I got from my old Dolby Headphone adapter. So you can even add simulated surround sound to a Fulla 3.
I'm trying not to fall down the rabbit hole of DACs and Amps. I've settled on the GSX myself just because I'm down with side tone and chat mix. Paired with the PC37x of course.
yeah, it's a dangerous, expensive road. This schiit stuff has good design with decent audio quality, so it'll act as a gateway drug once folks figure out that there are MUCH better dacs out there. Between Z-Reviews & the AudioScienceReview site, you can find yourself on a never-ending quest for something better. The trick is to find something that YOU think sounds good & be happy!
(sigh.. says the guy on some HD660s' & an RME dac)
I havent bought anything and im already down the rabbit hole
The Schiit stack setup seems to be more than capable for gaming, and its step up from the GSX1000, but I stopped using the GSX1000 after I started experimenting with higher bit and sample rate stereo, compared to the 7.1 function. The spacial sound from the 7.1 is impressive, but it takes a massive nosedive with the midrange becoming so muted its kinda shocking at first.
Stereo at higher quality samplerate and bitrate sounds better to me, at the slight expense of the 7.1. I'm probably gonna sell the GSX1000 now, and retire my Sennheister GSP600's, coz I got the Hifiman Sundura's to go with the Schiit stack, and I'm not planning on upgrading again.
PC37X + Mayflower ARC FTW! It's cheap but I love the sound!
I preferred you using the Hel for the mic, it wasn't hearting my ears when listening to it using my HD58X on my Fulla 2
Did you change your fulla 2 ? I’m looking to get HD58x with Fulla 4 ist good or should i go with Hel
@@It7xc ive kept my fulla 2. the only other thing I bought since then was an Audioquest dragon fly red just so I can use these headphones with a laptop more easily. the great thing about hd58x is that it doesn't require too much to get good sound stage which is nice
Still happy with my Fulla2 for 3 years already paired with Sennheiser HD 569 and Edifier R2730DB
Magni 3 and Modi 3. Been loving this combo and extremely hard to beat at their price points.
I'm a cheap bastard, I use a Fosi Audio Q4 dac/amp, a S.M.S.L. tube preamp (for certain headphones), and a variety of budget headphones/IEMs. ATH-AD500x, Monoprice Modern Retro, AKG K240, TRN V30, KZ ZSN Pro, and for when I don't want anything on my head or in my ears, Massdrop + Koss KSC75X. For a mic I use a BM-800 through a Neewer power supply. All very good budget stuff. I haven't used speakers on my PC in many years, but I have a set of Edifier R1280T's on the way.
I've been interested in trying out some different dac/amps, this one is definitely going on my list.
6:27 What a gorgeous shot, loving the parallax with the Hel being slightly raised!!
great video, I will get the HD 58X and pair them with an X3, I understand your point but that hardware gives me the exact broad characteristics I use as an eclectic music lover and gaming, I searched for combination of X3 with the mentioned Sennheiser in this video and every single person just love the mix
_"Gaming"_ audio.
This is satire, right?
It's a product designed for people who play games and use a mic. So yes, "gaming audio."
Games have audio don't you know.
If you can afford it just get the Ifi Micro IDSD the 3D+ is awesome in games its all hardware no software DSP that introduces distortion and can output up to 4 watts of power. The sound is natural and about as good as it gets before diminishing returns for higher priced equipment starts to kick in. And as for the mic just buy a USB microphone seriously the Fifine for $30 is amazing.
This! I've been using the Magni 3 with my DT990 since a while now, coming from onboard audio it was somewhat of a revelation... although their delivery times here in the EU suck :D
I've been thinking of getting one but worried because of the AC adapter. What are you using to use it with an EU outlet at 240V
I have the Magni 2Uber, but i want the Hel to maybe bring up the volume a bit more. I think the onboard audio doesn't put out like it should.
The $100 separate DAC and AMP from schiit are pretty great.
Dimitri, what about the New MH630 by Cooler Master though?
I use a surround sound system half the time, partially for media (movies/YT or music) and some games like RPGs and stuff, while i use headphones for FPS and atmospheric games. So something that can be used with a 5.1 setup or something multichannel at least is nice. Cant wait to upgrade my peripherals once i have a new monitor lol.
Considering what I am using for my audio set up at this time anything that'll help with audio quality is a plus. Good showcase of this tech sir. I was very entertained. (:
I've been looking for a small amp for my laptop with a mic input for a little while now. I think this Fulla 3 is the winner. Thanks!
I see Tarkov I like.
Thanks for the review, man :) Pretty much narrowed my audio setup to the HD58x with either a Fulla 3 or Hel.
Did you decide to go with this setup and how do you like it with tarkov?
@@1117Jrod hey man. I actually went with the PC37X w/ no amp/dac. Reason being is that this what I could afford at the time and I don't think I needed anything more than that.
In terms of Tarkov though, it's great. Not sure if if I can compare since I gave away my old Cloud Core before playing Tarkov.
@@ThatAnonymousGuy234 that’s awesome man Congrats. Decided to go 38x with a amp/dac. But only cuz I had more in my budget and figured I could benefit later down the road if need be. Thanks bud! See you in Tarkov!
I bought the Open back Game One by Sennheiser and the Sennheiser GSX 1000 that you recommended a couple years ago.
Schiiiiiit!
For me my set up is Topping D70 DAC -> THX AAA 789 AMP -> Focal Elex headphones. I also have the HD58X Jubilees & the HD6XX which both sounds really good too and should be more than enough to 90%+ of ppl but the audio quality is definitely better on the Focal Elex.
Clay Davis' favorite brand.
Can’t afford gaming DAC, so I used HeSuVi thru Equalizer APO to get better surround for my PC37X from my motherboard sound card. Games such as Modern Warfare can really use it because the default settings for headphone leaves a lot to be desired for audio positioning.
The audio boost with the dial turn.... 🙌🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏👏👏 Love the little things Dimitri 🙌
I own the Chord Mojo...Insane detailed and space aware
Schiit is great and all... But Chord is in a league of it's own, even the Mojo alone beats pretty much every AMP/DAC Schiit makes.
Oxaile I think so. It is really great. For music and also for gaming
"entered the CHAD"
I got that Schiit as soon as it came out along with some x2HR cans and boom pro from vmoda. Bliss.
Hey, I hope someone sees this ..
I been trying to find the perfect headphone for gaming but I have no idea about audio. So what do you guys recommend me, this Schiit Amp and PC37x or the logitech g935 ?
Which one am I going to get better surround sound and cleaner audio to spot enemies in corners and that kind of stuff. Thanks a lot
I would recommend the PC37x. I have the game one but the 37x is just a rebrand so its the same thing. Very comfortable and really good sound quality. I love everything about it. The only minor downside that I haven't really seen many people talk about is the fact that sometimes since the headset is open back the audio coming from the headphones can leak into the mic. But besides that I wholeheartedly recommend it.
Always go for proper audio headphones+amp. Surround sound is a gimmick and so are "gaming" headphones. All you need is decent treble for footsteps.
Stereo audio gives better positioning in games than any virtual surround technology. Surround is nice in some single player games or movies though. Go with the PC37x or similar quality stereo headset(CM MH751/2 maybe?) and if you find the audio lacking, you can then get into dacs/amps.
I am in a similar boat, I am wanting to go for the sennheiser HD6xx and a mod-mic wireless, after my research I think that's a good combo I will be going for in the near future, coming off the hyper x cloud.
Thank you sooo much for your help guys, i will go with Schiit and PC37x. I hope the money is well spent. Again thanks a lot and yall have a great day and stay safe from covid
Just saw your video and it makes me think back of the time I changed towards real headphone audio brands for using on my PC (gaming, movies and music). I ended up with the Beyerdynamic DT990 pro + Sound Blaster Z sound card as it had a headphone out that could drive headphones up to 600 Ohm.
I really loved it. I was worried at first because that headphone came recommended by audiophiles which in my book usually stand for audio that is balanced, accurate but no fun at all to listen to (Audio Technica style). The DT990 Pro was not balanced. It actually sounded perfect for my needs as I tend to play more single player games and usually the ones that require more emphasis on soundstage to get better drawn into the game. It, however, was nice for positional audio as well due to its elevated highs although most likely not comparable with more balanced headphones that might offer better performance in that area due to their balanced sound signature. I do get frustrated that often when headphones or headsets are reviewed the games you see are 90% shooters...reviewers, please realize their are other type of players as well that would like to know how a certain headphone or headset sounds when playing RPG's instead. This is alomost never really covered.
Now, however, the main drawback is that it is an open-back design and that's just a huge problem in my case as I often play late at night or even during the night. And also, it is wired which forces me to stay at my desk (instead of getting comfy on the bed while watching a movie without the need of a long extension cable.
So, to get to the point, your video caught my attention as I was hoping to see a headphone (no mic needed) that has a closed-back design and is wireless (I understand the limitations of wired vs wireless in terms of possibilities) that still sounds far better than the typical gaming headsets. So, might be a bit off-topic but if you did come across some options, just let me know :)
For now my Sound Blaster Z and DT990 Pro 250 Ohm remains my best setup for gaming
Best microphone: The one you are using on the camera to record the video
Thank you for your excellent video, editing, and sharing with us your journey to audio perfection with a focus on gaming (without the gaming gimmicks. So refreshing.) Like and subscribed, slapped the bell, wore the tinfoil hat, all of it. Hel Mic sounds notably better in my opinion. I will say the demos are a pretty clear example of why a windscreen is necessary, the plosives were out of control. I think it's worth noting that if you have a usb port on your desktop that delivers as much or more than the included 2.1 amps, cable management or wall power shouldn't be as much of a concern, as you should (not personally tested,) be able to go right to that instead of all the way to the wall.
Sound Blaster X3 should get a proper review, i got mine and i love the SXFI feature, I can actually hear sound coming from my back with my HD 6XX.
for $120 (or anything audio-related above $100) I would rather use recording audio interface anyway.
Just got the Creative Sound Blaster AE-7 to go with my Sennheiser Game Ones. Haven’t hooked it up yet. Definitely considered the Hel but it doesn’t have Creative ALchemy and I play a lot of older games so EAX support is a must!
What should I be looking for if I have a mounted streaming mic and a pear of audio headphones
Check out the modi magni3 stack from Schiit. BadSeedTech did a review a few days ago.
Depends on what color that pear is
Depends on what kind of mic, what kind of headphones and what u want to do.
I'm running a Sound BlasterX AE-5 soundcard with an Audio Technica ADG1X headset. Can't complain, it sounds pretty good.
Ik like the soundcard too i have it with the hypercloud 2 headset
Q: If i have a Soundblaster Omni 5.1 right now, do i need to change for a DAC or i am just fine?
I would think that your just fine. I wouldn't upgrade unless it's absolutely necessary.
watch BadSeed Tech latest video. he links his part 1 audio video in there and than you will find out if you want one or not.
Headphones first.
Unless you have clear problems with current audio source going for new/discrete AMP and/or DAC isn't worth it/going to change anything. If you're not happy with sound invest into new headphones.
if you end up with some powerhungry headphones you are fine, if you get let's say AKG K702 which are hard to power get also FiiO A5, but keep Omni 5.1, microphone quality is best you can get basically because it have 2 additional microphones built-in to leave the noise out, especially if you have loud mechanical keyboard
I had the Omni 5.1 and it's good enough, you won't hear any noticeable improvements unless you buy something much more expensive.
For me, my Fiio dac works amazing. Literally no audibal humm on full volume and max gain when no sound is playing.
Fiio k5 pro btw
@@TKG_BDJCZOoACJCUSOoM its almost a shame haha, the thing looks amazing
Fiio products are some the best value for money you can get in the audio world.
can’t afford these but Im still watching
If you're looking for a no thrills "gaming" dac/amp try the Syba Sonic, nowhere near the same sound quality but it'll do the job well enough.
Being a huge Creative Sound Blaster fan, I think the Schiit Hel had the best mic sound.
"How do you say Schiit without getting demonetized?"
Try pronouncing it properly as intended in German; It's pronounced like "Sheet", like a sheet of paper or bed sheets. But with a bit stronger "ch"-sound just like you have in the word "sh!t"
I can't tell if this is a late april fools day joke or if its really Fulla Schiit
Didn't expect some Tarkov gaming there my friend ! great vid !
I have a magni3+/modi 3 stack powering my HD6XX's and i love them, highly recommend them to anyone looking to improve their audio
Do you use a mic at all? If so, what was your solution for that? I'm looking at getting either a Magni/Modi or a Hel, but I'm pretty much always on Discord, even in single player games.
@@kevinobrien1026 I just use a blue snowball (usb mic) that cost me about $30 on Amazon and a cheap mic stand that was about $10 to keep it mounted right in front of my mouth, then I just run the usb cable along the stand and plug it into the usb hub built into my monitor, but something like a modmic uni would work well too if you can find a way to run the cable to the back of your computer
@@nova.celi_ Thanks, that helps a lot.
Thanks, ordered pc37x today :)
"I've always tried to stay clear of bad audio products"
*makes videos on Logitech and Razer speakers*
Those don't go together. Logitechs are known as being the worst speakers out there, and Razers aren't any better.
Sadly the PC audio world is quite crappy, at least when it comes to speakers.
Poly Reviews exactly
@@TalesOfWar If the manufacturer of your speakers or headphones also sells keyboards, don't be surprised if you get an earache! There are enough alternative: Teufel Concept C or even Kanto YU4
I appreciate the review. It would have been nice in your testing at the end to include the Sennheiser GSX 1000. I bought this after your earlier review and buying Creatives multiple versions and many other options from Amazon. I must have spent two months trying and trying until I found or heard the the GSX 1000.
You don't get demonetized for saying "shit." You get demonetized for having a political belief that Google disagrees with and seeks to suppress.
I was looking for a fulla 3 video , and what do you know...right on time 😋😋
At the moment i am using the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro with the Schiit Hel, it has amazing quality. I was using the Hyperx Orbit but after getting into the DT 1990, I really don'y wanna go back. Open backs are the best for audio and with my setup, I don't seeing it getting better, for now that is.
I have been using a fully 2 with a pair of HD 6XXs. Really love my setup
I have the same sennheiser headphones. Damn good sound and mic
Holy hel...
This is some good schiit!
I wish someone would make a big video for these like "Best budget gaming external dac amp" or "best splurge gaming external dac amp"
Can't wait for Dmitri to get his first Schiit (Magni + Modi) stack and share with us about it!
Fulla Schiit... you can't argue that they aren't doing it intentionally xD
I use a soundblaster zxr sound card.
Me too. I only use the main card as I have no use for the secondary one. I also use the headset desktop pod.
Always wondered if audio interfaces would also be good? Could make a video on that maybe?!
I'm a console pleb and just have my headset plugged into my controller which I have wired into the console and Dolby Atmos set up. I switch between the movie mode when watching media and the game performance mode for games.
Got the Schiit stack as my gaming audio :) Magni 3 Headphone amp, Modi 3 DAC and the Loki tone control PreAmp. Enough power to run my Fostex T50RP Mk3s.
Hmmm... I've been using the 'Schiit stack' Magni + Modi combo for a while with my HE-4XX, but npw you've peaked my interest in the Hel.
Can you make a video on the BEST Streaming Audio Setup? Best sound headphones without a mic, like the HD650, and best individual mic, like the Shure SM7B that shroud uses? Having a headset with both maybe compromises either sound or mic sometimes... what if there were 2 seperate options, for a good price, without compromises? :)
pretty sure creative now has a small one too, that's even cheaper than that fulla 3 (60€), creative G3, i think. it's also USB powered, mic input, all that stuff, but they say it can still power headphones up to 300ohm... could be a good alternative too but i'm not very knowledgeable on these things :p
“I’ve always tried to stay away from bad audio products but for the longest time I’ve wanted to try shit audio” lol
Great video, I really like when you do audio gears. I was pleased to hear the microphone sound through all those device, even tho it's not perfectly representative of the reality cause I'm listening through an imperfect speaker system I still can hear a difference and it has directed me toward the schiit hel more than the others. I currently have the syba sonic and it's doing it's job way better than the onboard audio but I still intend to replace it with something else. In the meantime, I'm looking for any suggestion for a small desktop amplifier to power my mordaunt-short bookshelves speakers and use the syba (or it's replacement) as a preamp.
I use the Schiit magni 3 and modi 3 great setup
A company that lives up to its name
I'm so confused why you said you prefer the Fulla 3 over the HEL. The HEL seemed so much better overall.
hmmm i was looking for a replacement for my arctis pro + gameDac setup. That video timing was most convenient.
I replaced my SteelSeries Arctis Pro +GameDAC with Razer Tiamat 7.1 v2 (the 5 drivers per ear headset). The Tiamat takes some setting up and needs 7.1 supporting analogue card. All I can say is by far the best headset I have tried. Sound in Squad is incredible. The Arctis Pro is poor in comparison and digital 7.1 is poor. I can't believe any single driver headset will get close to replicating the detail of the Tiamat.