Should You fold your legs BACK When you Jump? COACHES BREAKDOWN (Should you do it?) pt.1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ม.ค. 2021
- This is a very common question that Coach Donny and myself get and one that truthfully, we still don't have ALL the research as to why it happens exactly athlete to athlete. That being said, we definitely have some strong inclination as to when your'e more likely to see it! Here we are diving into that!
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I just think folding them back looks cool🤣🤣
Same, It feels like Proffesional
More hang time and power when you straighten them when u spike because of the back muscles being active
Well it’s automatic when you are jumping a little more forward than straight up
Same tbh
@@BaldHappyMan for me it’s put my legs forwards
Maaan you guys read my mind always wondered this, love the fact the two of you who I have been watching for jumping and volleyball decided to collab perfectly for one of the things I have always wondered
Glad you enjoyed it!
It’s always been my understanding that the “reverse C” position - which is a pretty iconic volleyball posture - facilitates the swing more than the jump. whipping the entire body through the ball, starting as the legs extend, transferring energy through the core while also creating stiffness. Looking at the two athletes you picked for the video, Nashida has a much larger draw with his hitting elbow, as well as extension through the back, putting his head behind his COG often. Without the leg flexion, he’d be leaning backward most of the time, unable to maintain proximal stability. Sander uses much more shoulder and less torque when he swings, with a draw that is much less pronounced, and almost zero back extension.
If we look at the flexion of the knees/extension of the hips during flight as the bodies answer to what the arms and back are doing, rather than as facilitators of the jump, I think it makes a lot of sense.
It also depends on your position. Outside hitters with deep last step takeoff tend to fold legs, middle hitters that takes off quickly and swing quickly don’t.
Bro I love this channel, bc he answer so specific questions that nobody have been able to answer to me.
I think I might be able to add some insight to the physics of how folding your legs back help:
Pulling your legs back while pushing your hips forward causes a torque and a force on your body that will pull your shoulders further back.
You can see when you look closely that before the hit, the players will kick their legs forwards at the same time as they are pulling their hips back, which causes the shoulders to be pushed forwards again.
This adds a little bit more power to the hit, since the shoulder will then push the entire arm forward at a higher speed so that you hit the ball with your hand going slightly faster.
Pulling your legs back doesn't give you more height. It can actually do the oposite, since lifting your legs up will cause the rest of your body to be pulled down. Because you will kick your legs back into a straight position when hitting, your body gets pushed back up to its original jump height. So as long as your technique is correct, pulling your legs back doesn't actually have any effect on how high your hand can reach when hitting the ball.
Edit: Your brain is amazingly smart and great at optimizing both the strength and energy efficiency of the body. If your brain doesn't intuitively make you pull your legs back, then that is most likely because it knows that your technique would not benefit from doing so, meaning there is probably something else wrong with your technique. Try standing up, and pretend to do a spike. If your technique is good, you should notice that you will push your hips forward and pull your legs and torso back before you hit, and during the hit, you will pull your hips back again and torso forward. If you don't do this, you should focus of pulling your shoulder back together with your arm before you swing your arm and shoulder forwards again during the hit.
I definetely needed this
Awesome content, love the collab! Thanks Coach Ty, Coach Donny!
It's of course our pleasure and passion!
it makes me feel more stable and I can time my serves more and stronger when I do it
Having bent legs while you’re up there gives you more control of your vertical positioning too
My favorite collab
I feel like it helps with twisting the body, since it acts like an anchor of some sort. Like whenever im playing and i sorta switch my serves to jump then to float. I feel like folding my legs would give me more twist and power. While jumping normally would give me a flat controlled hit.
Answer:power comes from hip/shoulder separation and thoracic rotation. Kicking the legs down builds an in air platform from which to throw your hips. Bigger guys can get away with less but Nishidas form is perfect because he’s a short guy hitting against blockers that are 7-8 inches taller than him.
As you ascend, there is a 0 G moment where you are going to extend your hips forward and pull your shoulder back and pull your legs up to your butt, from there, you kick your legs down throw your hips forward, rotate your torso back towards the net and swing your arm, snapping at your elbow and wrist, high over the top of the ball. Nishida does this perfectly. His form is flawless.
When I have to rush to a set that is way too far out in front of me, sometimes my shoe touches my elbow. That’s only when I’m basically broad jumping to the ball.
The reflexive stretch is plausible.
Also The Hamstrings are hip extensors and knee flexors, gastrocnemius is a ankle plantar flexor and knee flexor. High force contraction after take off lends itself to the knee bending from the residual force applied from hamstrings and calves
This video was great. I usually fold my legs back naturally, practically hitting my butt when I jump and I didn't think much of it until a couple of people pointed it out a while ago, and I thought I was doing something wrong lol.
you shouldnt fold them too much tho it can put too much stress on your back, 90 degress is a good benchmark
I'd been playing for years before someone showed me a few photos of me spiking.. every single one had my feet nearly touching my butt (like nishida).. I had no idea I was even doing that.
imo yuji nishida has the most beautiful jump, i could watch him jump 24/7
Coach Ty saying that Coach Donny is a stud when they both are
This is my comment before I’ve watched the video
From what I know the folding legs raise your centre of gravity, which makes you have more hangtime, but doesn’t increase vertical
Yup I watched a vid about arm swing mechanics and it was going into how the leg flick is about releasing the elasticity from leg hip thru the body all the way thru the whip of the swing
where can I find this video?
@@mattrogers1052 it’s a pc360 video, they have a channel check em out🤙🏾
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Why am i watching this? I don't even play volleyball or is in any shape to jump like that.
knowing things is cool too!
maybe it’s a sign
You should start volleyball
In my opinion. If you playing opposite hitter you should fold your legs back and push your hip. Because other ways you are not going to close the net for good spike.
This happens in badminton too
My jump is different for me as a left-handed opposite hitter because when I jump, I use my right leg to bend while my left leg stays straight when I take a 3-2 step approach.
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know what's weird one day when i was playing volleyball i was able to consistently doing jump serve but now i cant jump serve at all anymore
Great
Tip: When I play defense and see *spread legs* in air usually the ball will come next to the net so I go forward.
Ending your lags back also adds that slight hang time to your jump. Allowing you more time in the air to hit the ball. As someone who has a 42” vertical and plays volleyball I have experimented both styles and in the end it’s whatever generates you the most raw power you should use. If your like me and can get a fair ways up the net then flexing your legs back might be a skill to practice and master to allow that hang time. Stay fresh everyone! 😁
Hang time isn’t real
time spent in the air is a direct product of power and the speed of your jump. there is no techniques to hanging or floating in the air. that just goes against physics
@gobolts1563 it depends. If you mean by how much time your in the air yes it exists
Not true, in that it won't increase your jump. After contact with the ground, how high your center of mass will go up is then fixed. When you kick your legs down, the rest of your body will get higher than if they remained folded, since you're shifting your center of mass to a lower point. If you don't fold your legs back at all, then there's not as dramatic of a shift in your center of mass.
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It’s more of my momentum that folded my leg back, although I can force my leg to be straight I’m gonna be more focused on the ball
Me personally, folding my legs back seems to allow me to move my arms quicker and get into the spiking position at the apex of my reach. Maybe moving my legs back provides a counter-movement for my arms to move quicker? Idk why this happens
For some, if it happens naturally that's fine! Just don't force it to happen!
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I often find that if I'm very early to the ball I can still manage to get a good hit in by waiting for the ball to come to me when my legs are bent, it usually just happens by itself on good timing but when I'm aware that I am early and I need some time to wait for the ball I'll kick my legs back a little extra and it often makes me feel like my body is floating in the air for a second before I need to swing on the ball, I've seen this with other players as well but I'm unsure if that's just how a regular jump would work with legs not curled but from what I've seen legs curled can just make things feel like you're hovering for a short period of time before you begin to fall
Isnt the fold like swinging through vs. stopping at a certain point
I guess my natural jump just aint aesthetic enough haha
I always hit better when i fold my legs not bc im jumping higher, but bc i can counter balance my armswing so i dont fall backwards while hitting(by kicking my legs forward after)
Speaking from my own experience, folding the feet backwards supports the whip motion my body goes through while hitting and has nothing to do with the jump. The jump comes first and evolves into the "reverse c position" before I hit.
When I kick my folded feet forward aggressively it adds to the flexion of my core muscles that translates force onto my swinging arm. I am a fairly short player and I found that folding my feet helps my spike massively. Maybe taller players with longer core muscles generate more power more easily - but that is just a guess.
I can see where you're coming from, but seeing how many athletes hit without the aggressive knee flexion and many athletes jump without it, I'd tend to error on the side of a neuro muscular/positional reflex to the jump. Although it sure does help at times to generate more power through the swing!
I'm in a dilemma, whenever I spike my legs spread apart :/ and remain straight, it looks really ugly imo but it's natural for me. Should I eventually take a step back and try folding them inorder to move 2 steps forward? Or is there no real benefit?
personaly, i feel like that folding my legs gives me more power, as i can use my core muscles, but its really what produces the best result for you, as the result is more important.
You definitely shouldn't do this. When I started I would sometimes split my legs to go parallel or because it looked good. Until my coach explained that it was a huge mistake and a huge jump loss. That same day, I hit the three-meter line, keeping my legs straight. On the same height of net.
legs back is a huge vert killer, it happens naturally when doing a broad jump “jumping forward” as oppose to jumping straight up, your legs naturally fold behind you when jumping forward and high
@@naozumei6206 we are saying same thing. if you not folding youre legs its mean you are not jumping foward enough. if you whatch any opposite hitter you can see that. But i can promise you its same thing and sometimse with legs up moment gives you momentum. So you can jump higher.
@@reemy2516 yeah but jumping forward is a vert killer
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I use my tumbling into my volleyball so I punch the floor to get more bounce
I just naturally do it when i jump high so maybe this answers everything
I see the back draw of the legs as helping with the Core explode into the ball. Allows for a stronger pike and more whip. Can't help with jumping as you'd already have left the ground once the legs start going back.
If the force from the jump is not 100% downward, the legs will naturally extend behind the body at takeoff. So bending the knees may not help with a higher jump, but may instead be an indicator of maximal force during the jump…?
I think if I fold my legs while jumping I might land in kneeling position.
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My trainer said I should stop doing that because it stops my jumping momentum
It seems like you need to fold your legs back a little bit in a volleyball swing to relax the hip flexors -- otherwise seems like you can't use your obliques to rotate your torso in mid-air.
Folding your legs back wouldn’t relax the hip flexors though. It would put them
On stretch, but perhaps a pre-stretch for a more explosive hip flexion, tapping into a little more of the hip stretch shortening. As mentioned, still lots to dive into learn about it!
I know it is better to have the legs straight, but I notice myself that I am sometimes folding them when I way too late or the ball too low in order to lose some height to still be able to hit the ball correctly. I noticed this while working on my timing. Once it was better I was able to keep my legs straight. Sometimes we do things subconsciously for a good reason 😆
having your legs straight isn’t better at all, there’s science behind why people fold their legs, in volleyball folding your legs back creates extra hangtime and activates more of your body and creates greater potential for power in your spike don’t get into the habit of trying to copy usa players
i think why most basketball and volleyball players do this is that they are so explosive that the recoil from the burst of power the legs naturally go back
the way i see it is if a pro does it it doesn't hurt to do it too haha
part 2 dropping?
You know, I'm not cut out for jumping at all but...
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I actually think that folding knees help having a better landing. By elevating legs higher, they'll get back to ground at the same time. The one-leg landing is dangerous and it's a good way to avoid it I think.
If my legs go towards me means im doing my 3 step approach wrong?
Does grip matter with spiking approach
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This is a movement that happens naturally when we jump high. We absolutely can't jump higher by activating this folding action.
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Folding while jumping leg made me light and even jump higher than usual
Plz anyone tell me the summary of the video ? Yes or no for folding ?
As mentioned in the video. If it happens naturally it’s fine, but don’t practice it because you feel like it will help you jump
Higher.
but coach, u should have mentioned that folding the legs like that actually delivers more power to you attack
I'm confused, isn't it the same program you promoted on instagram? That was a bodyweight workout. If it's with weights I'm even more interested
This is a brand new program. We have a bodyweight & now a weightroom program for Volleyball. Great for beach too!
@@jumpguyty Great coach! You already have a new client for the weight volleyball program. It's great that you're uploading so much content for volleyball players
@@sebastianfonseca6329 Love doing it! Thanks for the feedback!
It happens when you bend your back
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Sir my confidence is low
Damn im the 4th comment
Hii, i wanted to know if a 40 inch vert and being 6'3 is good enough to be good at volleyball
Hell yeah, that puts you in the elite of elite of athletes(both in volleyball and basketball) if that's true.🤯🤯
Just get good at bump passing and hitting and you will be great on the court.
Unfortunatley not, your abilities are nowhere near good enough
of course it's good, it's *really* good, and you know it, you just want some praise.
however if it's true than you deserve it.
You're basically describing Yuki ishikawa who is an amazing Japanese outside hitter playing professionally in Italy and touching 351cm or 11'6.2 . Even a 35 inch vert at 6'3 is more than enough to be an effective hitter as long as you can hit around 335cm or 11'0 you can be a great hitter at the professional level
"horizontal real estate being displaced" the fuck just say how far you are jumping forwards man
Wow you took a really interesting topic and explained it in the most borring way possible
How would you have preferred to hear it? Should I have danced more?
@@jumpguyty no instead of talking for 5 min about how it is just to stabalize the core. Get to the point.
"how much horizontal real estate is being displaced in the take off, to drive the jump as an engine"
Why does he talk like that? I really can`t stand listening to that guy, I just gotta quite the video when he is in it. sorry.
i hate this!!!!!!!
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