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@@TheGreyWolf94 Hi there and welcome to Epic scale battles! In relation to the rulesets and, on the assumption that you don’t know anyone who already plays it, I can provide a little guidance; first of all, what armies are you looking to build? Are you looking to buy current Epic minis from GW which are restricted to armies of the Horus Heresy only, or are you looking to have the whole sweep of 40K armies which includes the likes of Eldar, Orks & Squats? If it’s Horus Heresy, then Legions Imperialis would be the game you’d want to go for as you’d want to buy the starter sets for the minis alone so may as well play the version they were designed for. My main problem with Legions Inperialis is that there is a lot of detail for the stats for each of the units you’ll field in your army and that generally means you’ll have to play smaller games than with most of the systems that preceded it. If you want to go full 40K, you will want to check out Vanguard Miniatures as they have terrific proxies - or try to pick up minis from older versions from eBay. There are 4 versions of the game that cover 40K armies. 1st Edition Adeptus Titanicus & Space Marine 2nd Edition Space Marine / Net Epic Epic 40K Epic: Armageddon We talk in more depth about the different versions in this podcast we made a while back (and before Legions Imperialis was launched):- th-cam.com/video/NkR2OeA2nNk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yps9Rghkxl7PrSII I hope this helps, but I’ll try to reply any questions you have (or at least direct you to places online where you’ll get answers)! It’s always great to have new people joining the community, so thanks for taking the time to listen to our ramblings and to introduce yourself! ~ Gordon

@LifeofDie Hello Gordon, Thank you for your in-depth reply, that was super helpful. I am looking at more 40k as that's what I grew up playing and love the nostalgia of it all. I've started Ork and Imperial guard armies, luckily I have a 3D printer and have found good STLs but I'll definitely check out Vanguard miniatures, thank you! Unfortunately, no one in my area seems to play Epic or even Legions Imperialis much as it's very much standard 40k only, which I fell out of love with around the 6th edition. I am hoping to build some armies and get people involved through playing. Thank you for the links, they're super helpful and I'll definitely give the podcast a listen. Thank you for the great advice and kind words. Your battle reports are amazing and so satisfying to watch. Looking forward to more. Thanks again - Kye

@@TheGreyWolf94 You’re very welcome, Kye! And that’s very helpful to know a bit more about what you’re looking for from Epic. I would say not to bother with 1st Edition as it’s similar to Legions Imperialis in its complexity but also because there are a lot of units in Epic which weren’t introduced until 2nd Edition. 2nd Edition Space Marine, or the fan version of Net Epic Gold is largely what I’ve played throughout my life so I would feel comfortable recommending it. In our Epic playlist, there’s quite a number of Net Epic reports, so you would get a real feel for the how the game operates and sweep and complexity of the game from those. I do heavily edit the videos though, so actual play time probably takes around 3-4 hours for the size of games we play. Epic 40K was regarded by most fans as too abstract back in the day, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about it more recently. Certainly, if you’re not looking for too much grit and something that maybe plays faster, it might be worth looking there. Finally, Epic: Armageddon was the most popular version of Epic until LI was recently released. Members of the E:A community would tell you that it’s the best version of the game, but I personally struggled with it. I probably too set in the 2nd/Net Epic mindset to make the change, though. Certainly, if tournament play is something you’d be interested in, they would win hands down. If there’s one of those that you think might be of interest, please let me know and I can direct you the right way for free rules as fan versions of all three exist. ~ Gordon

@@inquisitorvuln Cheers! If you want a fuller look, there’s a video which has all 100+ minis in our collection:- th-cam.com/video/ktEJIMHRBSI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=N3D0V_KBpfFGH1pE

@@thesmoog734 Haha, none taken! And I agree, there’s nothing you can do when that happens. To add insult to injury, those red dice are the same ones which we have a running joke about them being loaded - just have a look at the first episode of our new Deathwing series (Alarm Call) where they are absolutely on fire! We completely agree with you about the Titan templates. I would be willing to bet that if you were to look back through our Net Epic reports, that more often than not it’s Scout Titans that we opted for - and it’s because of the exact situation you just described as the smaller Titans made scatter results more likely to “miss” even when you had “hit”. It was wrong that Scout Titans should be better able to survive attacks than the bigger ones so, while I do miss the detailed damage templates, I do think that the wounds system is working better overall. Hopefully we’ll start taking larger Titans more regularly again! Thanks again for the support, I’m taking a little mini-break at the moment but I’m hoping that the next report will land in mid-Feb! I’m confident that it will at least be a closer contest than this was…surely it’s near impossible to be this one sided again?! 😂 ~ Gordon

@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion Thanks for watching and commenting! It’s the work of our great friend Simon! We asked him to replicate the minis from the old 1st Edition boxes and he absolutely nailed it! If you’re interested in seeing more, here’s the link to the full video of all 100+ Space Hulk minis:- th-cam.com/video/ktEJIMHRBSI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=N3D0V_KBpfFGH1pE

@@matthewstone1362 Finding people who match your style of play so important. There’s people who enjoy different aspects of gaming, for me I’m always hoping for a session that’s so closely contested that you don’t know from turn to turn who is going to win. Win or lose, those are most fun for me, but each to their own! Cheers for listening to our conversation and commenting! ~ Gordon

@@simonfearn5944 Cheers Simon! I know what you mean but I think they put on a pretty strong finish to the game! ~ Gordon

@@siebensundenMany thanks! With Grandmaster Belial favouring the Marines, I’m going to chalk this up as my first Iron Halo! Many thanks is for watching and commenting, I’m delighted you enjoyed it! ~ Gordon

@@kevinstricklen7579 Cheers Kevin, I’m glad you enjoyed it! ~ Gordon

@@MichaelMacpherson-v5y Cheers Michael! And no, you should not feel guilty about routing for either side in any of our battle reports, in fact, I insist that our videos be consumed guilt-free! I personally was fairly relieved because Alarm Call ended in catastrophe and I had real concerns that the campaign might be over before it started, but I totally understand what you mean! Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts, it’s always appreciated! And I agree, my friend Simon did an amazing job painting this set! ~ Gordon

@@craigmark999 Cheers, I’m delighted you enjoyed it!

@@phildevey6302 Ah, cheers Phil, that’s so kind! Yep, securing those two entry areas at the bottom is key. The one on the bottom left is the trickier of the two so if you want less risk, you could possibly send the Assault Cannon that way as it’s fairly unlikely that you’d churn through all ten shots before being able to seal it. If he did, you could possibly afford to have him exit immediately because retaining Assault Cannons for future missions massively helps. You’re right to say that the splurge of points definitely made a huge difference but, as you saw, if you can seal those two bottom ones and cover the left and right corridors from the top with Overwatch, that combination of the Flamer covering the person heading for the log can be really effective. When I was working on the report in the edit, I did wonder if it would be possible to seal the top entry points as well. I think it would be a really big ask, but if I had, it would have meant withdrawal could be completed safely. On reflection, I’m more disappointed now than at the time to have lost as many Termies in the withdrawal, but after Alarm Call, I was just happy to be back in the campaign! Cheers for the supportive words and I’m thrilled to hear that my tactics might help crack this one for you - please let me know if you have more success if/when you get the chance to try it again! ~ Gordon

Gordon - I will definitely be trying it out. Space Hulk is due to come out again soon for me. I think I have underestimated sealing off entry points in general. Trying to seal off the two top entry points sounds quite tough to me, but great if it could be done. I thought maybe the two sergeants could be sent to do it, but there is a good chance of losing them both, so maybe that isn't a good idea, with the campaign in mind.

@@phildevey6302 I’m not sure there’s many (if any at all) of the other Deathwing missions that have the rules for securing entry areas in place, but I’m pretty sure they are there for a number of the missions in the Campaigns book if you play those as well? I think you’re right that securing the other points would be pretty tough, but the way I’d go about it would be to turn the Marine who headed for the Ship’s Log right and try start clearing that corridor (towards the bottom of the screen but right flank if you are looking at the map in the book) while the flamer flames the junction behind him to cover his back. If other Marines can surge up to support up that right flank, you’d probably have a decent chance of sealing that one down. The other one is tougher because there is a corner involved, but you can force the Stealers to lurk before you get that far, so it is possible…is it better than how I played it in the video? I’m not sure… I forgot to reply to your point about the Genestealers as well. It is a hard balance to figure out whether to push it all the way and hope for a jam. I don’t know if you like statistics, but you have an equal chance of killing a Stealer as you do of jamming - 1 in 6 - so it is reasonable to try to hope for your opponent to jam. Equally though, maybe moving say 3 squares and then having other Stealers pile in behind can be just as worthwhile though. I suppose it all depends how much you want to gamble! ~ Gordon

I have a copy of the Campaigns book, but not the original. Also pretty much all of the White Dwarf issues with extra missions. There are so many when you add them all up. I agree with your other points. With Genestealers I might be a bit more cautious than some, and I don't like throwing them away for nothing. Sometimes you just have to go for it, regardless. I'm just re-reading the Deathwing book, and saw a couple of things. It says that ambush counters can be used in this mission - did you talk about that one? Also on p49 it says that for the campaign mode flamers get one reload, and assault cannons get three. I don't remember ever seeing that before, and was also surprised that assault cannons can get three reloads at all.

@@phildevey6302 Yes! I was surprised about how many reloads they get as well! You’ll hear me referring to it in episode 4 or 5 when I eventually picked up on the same thing. Yeah, we did talk about the Ambush blips but neither of us were that keen on using them, preferring instead to be guaranteed 1-3 Stealers. They don’t feature in the campaign but it’s an excellent point though, they definitely could have disrupted play for me by having to turn to face the threat! ~ Gordon

@@thecrownofcommand5830 As I know Space Hulk wasn’t at the top of your list of games from that era, I take that as a huge compliment, Josh! Cheers for taking the time to watch and comment! I always appreciate it, especially when you’re creating so many fantastic battle reports yourself! ~ Gordon

@@jeromyfisher297 Ah, cheers Jeromy! I hope you enjoyed the episode and I hope that 2025 turns out to be a great year for you! All the best! ~ Gordon

@@Badbufon Cheers, I’m glad you still enjoyed it even though it was one of the gentler missions! I was personally quite relieved after the brutal Alarm Call but all of your observations are spot on! We’re a while away from Genestealer games but they are planned…as is playing through every 1st Edition mission! We hope to entertain fellow Space Hulk viewers like Yourself for a long time to come! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, it’s much appreciated! ~ Gordon

Hi Smoog! Welcome back, and there’s absolutely nothing to apologise for! We know our viewers have busy lives so we understand that it’s not possible for everyone to tune in immediately and we’re delighted for people catch up whenever they can! The beauty of TH-cam is that the party is always open so please enjoy whenever you feel like it! Also, massive thanks to yourself and HeadCannonPrime for your terrific suggestions which, for me, delivered one of the best encounters we’ve captured on camera! I’m also feeling very happy about how it’s playing now and, honestly, I think there’s a fair chance that this might be the version of Epic that we’re still playing in another 30 years’ time! Thank you for being a part of that! All the best! ~ Gordon

@@KDK1976Yep, we have played this so many times and never managed to crack it! We even tried ignoring the sleeping Marines and just trying to get the starting 2 off but no use either! Have you managed it yourself? ~ Gordon

@ I don’t think I have. It’s real tough this one, but great fun nonetheless the less.

@@KDK1976 Oh, it’s no argument there, it’s always fun! It’s one of those games that’s always a pleasure to play again!

@@KDK1976 Yep, definitely an easier one than Alarm Call! Hopefully I can keep it going! Cheers for joining us again and taking the time to share your thoughts! ~ Gordon

@@danporteous3792 Thanks Dan! I was fairly happy about the tactics but I possibly could have avoided losing at least one or two of the Termies towards the end. Still, after a disastrous start, I’m back in the campaign! Cheers for watching and commenting again, it’s always appreciated! ~ Gordon

@@gianlucar3468 Thanks for watching and for the question! No, it’s not just you, it’s definitely built off of the chassis of earlier editions - but,in fairness, they do acknowledge that in the actual LI rulebook. I’m really happy about that because it’s made it easy for us to port our old armies across, apply them to the LI core rules and keep using our collections of minis! While it doesn’t reinvent the wheel, we do feel it has improved things in a few areas and we really feel we’ve got a new lease of life out of Epic as a result! ~ Gordon

@@kharnifex Yeah, they are one of the holes in my collection as I disliked the models. I’m fairly sure Craig has one of them so I’m sure it’ll see some action at some point. Cheers for watching and commenting, Kharnifex! I hope 2025 is a great year for you! All the best! ~ Gordon

@@turtlehead8386 Hi! Yes, there’s good news and bad news on these - the good news is that they will feature when we get around to playing a Marine v Marine mission, the bad is that there are very few such missions and we plan on playing through all of the campaigns first which are really Marines v Genestealers. Maybe we can squeeze a Marine v Marine mission in somewhere though… 🤔 Thanks for the interest! ~ Gordon

@@Warhead-haggis Hi! Thanks for watching and for the question! We’ve combined Net Epic armies with Legions Imperialis core rules. There’s a link to notes about the system in the video description and we recorded this conversation about the project a while back. th-cam.com/video/XsTgC5F5waw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JVcb70kJ1DYpDzu6

​@LifeofDie sorry, I blurted out a question before I'd finished the video and saw the details in further videos. Nice, I agree that NetEpic took a direction that I couldn't agree with. It's good to see the game being played. I spotted some very nice time saving changes. No Titan hit locations. So obvious! 😊

@ No problem at all, it’s not obvious where you’d find more about the rules. Yep, we’re really happy with the changes to the rules and we’re enjoying the variation that the different LI scenarios bring. Cheers again! ~ Gordon

@@drezaveltYep, this was a mad session all round! Thanks for joining us again and taking the time to comment - I hope 2025 is a great year for you! All the best! ~ Gordon

@@HeadCannonPrime Happy New Year to you HCP and thanks for joining us again! Yep, the dice were the villains of the piece in this one! What’s worse is that the guilty dice were the same ones that provided all of the incredible madness of the last Space Hulk episode! Maybe that session exhausted all of the luck from them! I’m very jealous of you having played Warmaster as I missed out on it but have heard only great things about it! Sorry to hear you had a similarly disastrous encounter, but that’s the fun of gaming, there’s always next time… All the best for 2025, I hope it’s a good one for you! ~ Gordon

@@AtomBishup Ah, thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’m not sure why but I also had problems locating the channel, but a bit of sleuthing later… youtube.com/@megacitygaming?si=hM3A5Iumj8JAg4Aj

@@AtomBishup Since this video was published, Warlord have put their own reference sheet up as well. They also have some fan scenarios which are well worth a look! warlord-community.warlordgames.com/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-resources/

@@bryanvaughn80Oh, thanks Bryan! That’s amazing that your kids will be having adventures in a galaxy far, far away! I can’t wait to think of a more magical way to spend Christmas - kudos to you for great parenting! ~ Gordon

@@simonfearn5944 It’s an absolute privilege to have such beautiful minis to take these battle reports to the next level so thank you so much for the blood, sweat and tears you poured into these! I don’t think we’ll ever stop appreciating them - and neither we should! Cheers again! ~ Gordon

@@misomiso8228 This I can be more helpful with! You can find the rules on the link below and you’re looking for the Chaos rulebook. netepic.org/army-books/ Thanks again for the interest! ~ Gordon

@ Thanks so much for watching and for the kind words! Apologies in advance, but we haven’t used the cards since the 90’s and there’s a few reasons why we don’t use them; there’s units that we play that we don’t have cards for, but also because we play using Net Epic costings which are different to 2nd cards, showing the cards would likely would attract negative comments about how we can’t add up properly! Also, we show the full army on the table and narrate what we’ve taken so showing the cards would mean that we would be duplicating that process which might irk viewers who are keen for us to get to the action! It’s my preference to accommodate viewer requests where I can, but I also prefer to be honest and up front as well, so I hope you understand why this is not possible. I do really appreciate the fact that you often watch our videos and take the time to comment so apologies again about this! ~ Gordon

@@rickstar171 Cheers! One of the things I like about Space Hulk is that even when I feel it’s going my way, I rarely feel comfortable as it can all fall apart so quickly! Thanks for watching and commenting! ~ Gordon

@@Bert-hb1yf We agree! It’s easy to learn but hard to master - the best kind of game! Thanks for watching and commenting! ~ Gordon

@@kevinstricklen7579 Ah, thanks as always Kevin! It’s good to know that someone out there has succeeded over the years - and I’d have bet my mortgage that it would have been you! After that opening where my luck was completely insane, I thought “this might be the time I finally do this” - I probably jinxed myself! 😂 Thanks as always for watching and offering kind words and support! ~ Gordon

@@MarkNiceyard Cheers for the interest! We’re Scottish. If you’re finding us hard to follow, we have Space Hulk battle reports which have no voiceover. I hope you find something you enjoy on our channel! ~ Gordon th-cam.com/play/PL7HY0TcaE58lcRNNuISSovVSfuz5ng5_D.html&si=bzKfvRcVWlYzfAYF

@@phildevey6302 Cheers for watching and sharing your thoughts with us! Yes, we actually played this mission through 6 times over to try to figure out tactics that might work - even just trying to move the starting two straight off the map without bothering trying to rouse their comrades but really nothing worked! We’d both been torn apart by reinforcements coming from that entry point several times over which is why I decided to secure it to see if it would make a difference. As mentioned, the problem is the fact that the Stealers have so many directions to come at you, it’s really tough to defend against. It’s kind of reassuring to hear that we aren’t the only ones struggling with this one! I’m hoping someone has a strategy they’ve found to crack it because I really can’t see it! Thanks for joining us again and for the kind words! ~ Gordon

I've tried all sorts of things, but as you said the Stealers come from all directions, and so many of them. I used to think that reviving just three marines (15 points), and then getting four out of five off the board (20 points) was the way to go, but it didn't work either. It's a tough one for sure. I just re-read the rules for the mission on p51 and it says at the end of the first paragraph on the right hand side " unconscious marines block movement through a square, but not line of sight". I must be blind to have missed it the first time.

@ That makes two of us then! 😂 Thank you for clarifying, I’m glad we did play it correctly! Space Hulk is great in the sense that there aren’t too many rules that trip us up but occasionally the odd one does pass us by! Yes, we also tried out only waking up the two in the middle rooms but again to no success! It does have me wondering how many Marines you’d need at the start to make a success of it. Maybe a full squad? ~ Gordon

@@phildevey6302 Apologies also Phil, I meant to mention about the release schedule for the rest of the series as you’re keen for more - the plan is to release a new episode every 4th Friday so the next episode should drop on Friday 10th January. Thanks for the encouraging words and continued support! ~ Gordon

Thanks for the info, Gordon. I'll definitely be watching each episode, that's for sure.

@@THX-to6gg Oh, nice! From a rules perspective, I don’t think there’s anything out there that can beat it, everything’s so clear that there’s little ambiguity compared to most other tabletop gaming and it’s simple but always challenging! I haven’t seen the Advanced Space Hulk rules but I think the Space Hulk group on Facebook might have them, I’ll have a look! Did you enjoy them when you tried them out? ~ Gordon

@ I got a copy from pdf coffee. It’s donkeys years old!There’s loads of interesting stuff in it I mainly use a “Fire Past” rule which allows less bulkier troops I.e. non terminators to fire over a friendly model in front of them. I use it with tactical marines even on overwatch, so you still get two shots but no jams! There’s another great rule that gives you free overwatch if two models end up back to back after moving . There’s loads more too.

@@jeromyfisher297 It’s an absolute classic of a game, isn’t it? ~ Gordon

@@Badbufon I hope you find your itch suitably scratched! Enjoy! ~ Gordon

@@thecrownofcommand5830 Oh cheers Josh! Thanks for the kind words and for tuning in! I’ll be watching out for more classic gaming on your channel as always - and if we don’t chat before, I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas when it arrives! All the best! ~ Gordon

@ thank you Gordon and the same to you and the family mate. Have a safe and enjoyable Christmas this year

@ Thank you, I’m sure I will!

@@terentius26 Cheers and I’m delighted you enjoyed it! Yeah, it’s sad that there isn’t really any incentive to take them as the Goffs and Bad Moons are too attractive by comparison! If we hadn’t made a pact before this game, I have no doubt that they still wouldn’t have appeared! Thanks for watching! ~ Gordon

@LifeofDie If someday you guys do another huge match with.. over 3k points, it would be cool to see them once again! Of course, as long as there are plenty of other units/clans to balance it out.

@@terentius26 Yeah, we thoroughly enjoyed it so I think we would like to do it again at some point. I won’t lie, we like to keep rotating the matchups, so there aren’t any immediate plans for that just now. We would prefer to run larger 5K or even 6K battles as well, but 4K like this one seems to be the limit, especially now that (after the latest Tzeentch v IG battle report where we brought back VPs for breaking units) we expect every game to go the full 5 turn distance. Each of these reports tends to take about 6-7 hours to film so we’re pretty much at the limits of what is doable - and I also like to try to keep the runtimes as close to an hour long so viewers don’t feel overwhelmed at the prospect of watching tuning in. It’s not always possible, but I always do my best to make them as lean as I can! Thanks again for the encouraging words, it’s always terrific to hear from fellow fans and viewers! Cheers! ~ Gordon

@LifeofDie Ah apologies for my confusion. I mixed it up and somehow thought of it as a 3K battle. And yes you're right, 5-6k battles tends to take around 2 days to finish up. Great work you guys are doing, I'm already stoked for whatever your next batrep might be! Cheers!

@ Please don’t apologise, it’s easily confused! Before we started YouTubing, 5K was our default game size and I would love it if we could revert back to that because you get a great variety of units and we were always able to do those in the space of a day. Filming always slows things down considerably; there’s the part where we set up our forces and explain what we’ve taken and then, between dice rolls we tend to do as much game talk off camera before shooting that next snippet of footage as it means we know what we’re saying and what Craig will be pointing the camera at. We’re getting faster at that, so maybe one day we’ll be able to add another 1K to the points, you never know! And thanks, the plan is to keep them coming for as long as this channel is a thing! We know Epic is what most people are here for and, although Space Hulk is a very close second, Epic has always been my favourite game, so we have no plans of stopping! Thanks again for the support! ~ Gordon

@@Gwoerny Hi! Thanks for the question and for the interest! I would say that it’s an ongoing process but our experience so far has been that the games have been pretty balanced. The LI ruleset is largely built off of the 1st and 2nd Edition chassis of the orders so it means that the armies from 2nd operate more or less exactly as they ever did and the balance in 2nd between the armies was always pretty good! As with most gaming systems there are some exceptions, but overall most games - unless one of us really messes up tactically - are pretty competitive. One major point that has arisen since we recorded this discussion is that we’ve brought back the VPs for breaking enemy formations and it really feels like the final part of the jigsaw for nailing a terrific Epic experience. This change is in effect in the latest video battle report on our channel but, from memory, even without that rule in play, all games we’ve played with the system have been reasonably close and a lot of fun! We are documenting all of the playtesting on our battle reports, so please check out our Epic playlist for examples of how it’s playing currently. (Note that the order is newest to oldest so the top video is the one that has the most refinements since we began the project.) ~ Gordon th-cam.com/play/PL7HY0TcaE58lpdEqn9X9b82cyyUA4CkIw.html&si=j4iMOSCI9-aRMD2D

@@LifeofDie I checked again the current Netepic Codexes.There are many habilites and some of them don't have an obvious equivalent in Legions Imperialis (Elite, Charismatic, reflex shooting...). How do you deal with that ? Do you have any mapping of Netepic capacity and LI capacity ?

@@Gwoerny I’m aware of the Elite rule which we would just play as written and reroll in cc. I don’t recall seeing Charismatic or Reflex Shooting abilities in NE but as there are so many abilities, they may have passed me by - if you could please tell me which army book and page you are seeing those, I can have a look and explain how we would apply those. In more general terms, as we’re using Net Epic stats and rules for units/armies, we don’t need to worry about whether LI has equivalent rules or not; the NE special abilities replace any LI may (or may not) have and we aren’t trying to port in any abilities to or from LI. I’ve maybe misunderstood your question but I hope this is helpful! ~ Gordon

@ I’m aware of the Elite rule which we would just play as written and reroll in cc. I don’t recall seeing Charismatic or Reflex Shooting abilities in NE but as there are so many abilities, they may have passed me by - if you could please tell me which army book and page you are seeing those, I can have a look and explain how we would apply those. In more general terms, as we’re using Net Epic stats and rules for units/armies, we don’t need to worry about whether LI has equivalent rules or not; the NE special abilities replace any LI may (or may not) have and we aren’t trying to port in any abilities to or from LI. I’ve maybe misunderstood your question but I hope this is helpful! ~ Gordon

@@LifeofDie Sorry, i read the codexes in French. I speak about the Inspirational rule (instead of Charismatic). thanks for your answer. Indeed, Elite can be played as is.

@@HeadCannonPrime Thank you for making us think about it! Honestly, reintroducing the VPs for breakages was a real revelation because, as you’ve just seen, the game was nip and tuck throughout and just so much fun! The reason we had removed them in the first place was that the standard 2nd edition mission had finally become a bit stale (not bad after hundreds of games in the past 3 decades) and we wanted to see how the new missions played and attempt to try out as many as we could, playing them as intended. Also, other than using the 2nd armies and stats, we were trying to remain as close to LI as possible. By reintroducing the VPs, not only does it make it nigh impossible to win the game on Turn 3, but it improves the game in a number of other points:- 1. Greater potential for tactical play as you will know you are likely to be in the game for a full 5 turns. 2. Increases the need to preserve forces rather than our all or nothing suicidal charges into the objectives. 3. When it was solely about capturing objectives, all that really mattered was infantry. Because of tactical strength, you didn’t have to worry much about vehicles or Titans (who can’t capture objectives) at all. The Titan business in particular felt wrong - why wouldn’t every unit on the battlefield want to take down these huge death machines? Now, even though tactical strength has remained, there is massive incentive to break/destroy everything on the tabletop. Honestly, it’s a total game changer and I think it’s the final part of the puzzle to us having a system which is firing on all cylinders and will serve us well for the remainder of our Epic careers! We are going to have so many amazing and varied games, so thank you again for your support and for the fantastic suggestion! Thanks also for joining us again and I’m delighted you spotted the shoutout because I’d hoped you’d see it! ~ Gordon

@@LifeofDie I agree on all points. As a fellow old time epic player I'm delighted to see the old minis get a new life (of die). I'll be tuning in whenever you post.

@@HeadCannonPrime Cheers! Your kind words and support are very much appreciated!