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I stopped watching when you said “I haven’t been a fan of any of Canon’s RF lenses”. The glass is why you buy into an ecosystem, the lens makes the image, the camera just records it. RF glass is sublime and innovative and versatile. Maybe some of it is too good in the overcorrected sense but lenses like the 28-70 f/2, 50 f/1.2, 85 f/1.2, etc are unrivalled in quality and still have character. Hilariously flippant statement.

If they could have a competitor to the FX30 using the R7ii platform and having it similar specs of the R5ii so 4K fine no crop up to 60fps and 120 4k with small crop CLOG2 along with 10bit normal picture profile and the same good photography specs as the original R7...No 6k or raw or open gate needed and a price point of just around $1600. it would sell like hot cakes

C400 at -6 looks like the temporal noise reduction in a CCTV camera lol

thank you for you very well done comparison!!

Nobody forgot the FS7. It is being used all over the place.

I think the reason why people think that some cameras are better at highlights and some are at shadows is because of the distribution of the dynamic range, which isnt linear. So at some ISO's some cameras have more DR in the shadows and some have more at the highlights while its different on a different ISO. For example C300 has only 3.3 stops above 18% grey and 11.7 below on native 800 at 100 iso while BM6kpro has 3.9 and 9.5 respectively, so the ratio is different. Also using the same example the C300 holds the 6.3 and 8.7 stops until 102400 while on the BM its 5.9 and 7.5 at native and already at 1000 its 7.3 and 6.1 so I believe some people are quite confused because they're not all around comparable easily.

Shot with the c70 for 3 years and loved that camera but really wanted the full frame, wanted to take full advantage of the RF glass. Just over time also the c70 was just too soft in certain scenarios when I needed it to be sharp. The c80 is a pretty amazing camera, pretty amazing in low light, the AF is the best I have shot with and the colors are great. But I also don’t pixel peep. I feel too many people get so caught up in that. Spend all their time running tests. Just get out in the field and shoot. No camera is perfect you will always get some pros and cons in every camera.

So Sony has no internal compressed raw codec because their noise pattern relies on it because the sensor has phase detect modules on it. But as a result of their dedication to phase detect AF, their compressed footage rivals raw footage. I replaced my BMPCC4k’s with FX30, A6700 and A7IV and am continually blown away.

intro,. hahahah,....... people actually want to see a perfect camera by camera by cripplehammer#canon

what is a kneecaped gamma curve ????

Did you try adjusting base ISO? Some have reported that bumping base to 1600 or 3200 removed a lot of grain on this sensor. Not sure why, and have not tested it myself. Just curious if you have tested it. Thx. Great stuff

the best canon technology is in the c70, best sensor and image processing

I still own my FS7m1 (I also have 2x FX9's) IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET AN FS7 get the markii with locking E and VND and more buttons. M1 is quite annoying sometimes without the other buttons. Also needs the XDCA required for timecode. Pre-fx9 I speedboosted my Leica Rs and the camera really likes 1600 ei it just knocks the noise down just enough.

I guess I have a couple of thoughts. First, RAW LT is not for pixel peeping. It. Second, your under exposure tests are being effected by CMOS smear which is an entirely different issue for Canon. . Close your blinds to get a better test for DR. Third, test your NR settings.

This reminds me of my photo days back in 2009-10, with canon eos 5 mkII. Same type of noise at. ISO 3200. Drop it down to 1600 iso and it’s recoverable.

Additional questions: 1. did you use zebras in camera/monitor vs false colors to dial in middle gray at 32%? One thing I don't understand is if the color pipeline is mapped to 32% gray on the monitor, and have seen false colors have a more average middle gray range (green mostly) in that 40% range. 2. did each camera have the same lens?

question on the SNR=1. Anecdotally, I remember writing down SNR=2 should be the basis for a closer DR - I think from the CineD Lab Tests or Gerald Undone. Why not SNR=2? Is it because what you said about shooting in RAW vs Log tests? Where did you learn how to understand those charts? Great content! THanks!

Well, everything is elementary here DR G2 is the same as C500 and C400 which uses the same sensor! In terms of DR they are equal! The problem with noise is more due to the focus sensors on the sensor, that is why Panasonic did not want to implement phase focusing, and you can see for yourself that the S5 image is cleaner than the S5II. Seriously, it's like you discovered America, Canon's autofocus is the best on the market, it's a worthy compromise!

Will you be doing a similar review of the Ursa Cine 12k LF soon?

To my understanding, this is not shocking at all. RAW has no noise reduction to artificially inflate the DR tests on paper. This is why the A7IV and R5II have such good readings when using compressed formats. The R5II’s RAW reading is 3 stops lower on paper. Gerald Undone showed that through basic denoising you’re able to pull several stops out of the R5II’s 8K RAW. I own a C400 and haven’t had any issues at all thankfully!

Hey Jake, great channel. One thing that I think a lot of people miss is that each stop is a DOUBLING. So in your "jar of marbles" metaphor, one stop would be a single marble. The second stop should be TWO marbles, the third stop FOUR marbles, and so on. So if camera A has 12 clean stops, and camera B has 14 clean stops, then camera B has FOUR TIMES as many marbles in total compared to camera A. It can record a light source FOUR TIMES BRIGHTER before clipping (assuming identical exposure on each camera). I think the "one stop equals one marble" metaphor tends to confuse people, who might see 12 vs 14 as being relatively close, when in fact they are worlds apart.

thank you:)

R5 mark ii or switch to Sony ? Hmmmm

2:09 i cant tell if its strobing or scanlines from a filter... what is that

Honestly one of the best reviews I’ve watched of the C400 thank you!

I bought two FX30's to use in my home TH-cam studio, mostly because they were cheap. I was shocked at how good they look in 10 bit 4:2:2! I think those cameras are one of the best buys in video right now...

I’ve been using my C400 for a couple months already, mostly in the event and wedding world and I can say this review is correct. That being said I believe this is based on those scenarios where you need to push the image to its limits and that’s not the first place to start with if you want to judge a camera BUT is something to take a look at most definitely, of course. My C70 has more dynamic range than my C400, I noticed that on day one, but I expected it since Canon itself stated that. At the end choosing your camera will depend of your line of work I believe, for documentary work, it’s a beast of a camera. For narrative, I’d go RED maybe or BM. For a mixture of both: I’d go Canon still because it works very well in almost every scenario you throw at it. I liked how transparent you were judging the very thing every Canon user were worried about: DR. Subscribing.

I have been saying for a long time that people give BM a hard time but they have delivered some of the best image quality we have seen in this industry. Are they as big of a market share holder? No. Do they have the best ergonomics on all their cameras? No. But they have have managed to give us cameras that give us great images, menu/OS and great shooting variations.

Sony's are very good but Canon has better dynamic range, latitude, color scinece, formats and cohesiveness across the board with their cinema menus. Sony is all over the place and definitely needs upgrades soon. Also Canon matches with Arri beautifuly and I have no problem using it as B-Cam's with my Arri or using all Canon as lead. Outside of that I would go with vRaptor or Venice2. Sony Fx series if needed, waiting to see what mark ii versions will bring. Have all the cinema and stills canons outside c80. Just picked up 4xc400's and they are unbelievable. My definitely go to now for smaller projects and pick over c70. C300ii and iii and c500ii are phenomenal but prefer not to lug arround if not needed :)

R62 also

Breaking news: Still camera company makes cine cam worse than cine cam company. BMD gang.

He's gonna buy a canon c70

The r5 C is incredible. Just what I needed. The best c70 companion.

My C400 out of the box was alarmingly noisy. After I performed an auto black balance the noise seemed to be a fair bit better. Just curious if you ran a ABB by chance for these tests? Great video by the way!

This has been my best camera for production, have used it so much ,thank you @jake hayden for this ....🙌🙌

Nice video, and music😉 Thanks! just something that I didn’t get: does the ursa evf work with the c400 through the usb-c?

The C500 Mark II has the same "problem". Here's the "fix": Go to the Custom Picture Menu (CP), then Edit CP file, then Noise Reduction, then make sure that the Frame Correlation is set to 1 (not 0). At least for the C500 Mii this fixes the noise issue - pretty dramatically.

what's the FX30 score in the highlights ?

I truly believe this sensor is the R3 sensor. Same exact specs and believe it or not, when you change the ISO settings on the R3, cleans up at 3200, and then shockingly cleans up again at 12,800. Try renting that camera and do your tests on it and I think you’ll be surprised it’s the same.

Hey Jake thanks for your content. I'm curious here. Did you performed the ABB on C400 before the test?

Do you think these problems are also there in the R5C? What is the problem of the gamma curve on the R5C? Thanks!

I love the image on the FX30. I love my ZV-E1 too, but the FX30 has a look that is a home run IMO.

I see how Canon achieves their colors... they push magenta noise in the shadows!

Earned a subscription for me! Unbelievable video I don't like the crop CRT look but hey that your artistic choice lol

Solid video and super practical takes. Been toying with adding a Canon to my kit next year but TBH wasnt super impressed with the footage from the C400 when I recently used one - but I didnt get a chance to go this deep. Great stuff.

It’s never been a better time to grab a cheap C70 of someone who jumped ships. I was disappointed they didn’t include the DGO sensor in C80 and C400 and right from the first images that came out the supposed dynamic range just didn’t seem realistic. I’ve seen a lot of OMG’s “C80 destroys C70 with its third iso of 12800” when the 12800 looked so inferior to 6400 on C70. Not even accounting for the fact that with the super 35 sensor I have an extra stop of light bolted to the front of my camera. Great exposé, dude.

compromises !!!

Hi thx for ur content wish raw profile did u used hq?

Sony channel! Again the sensor! Always the same story.

I hate this camera. Thes old Sony cameras Like a7s1, fs7... the image, the colors. I absolutely hate them. I will make an argument that "corrected" footage is uninspireing and bland. Happy i dont have any of those any more.