@@jakehayden998 love my 5D II, such a great workhorse, everything is right where it needs to be for photo work, and it all just works the way it's supposed to. glad to hear you might do a video on it.
I still use the A7S2 for work, unfortunately i have to rig it to get around the quirks But yes it does have a dual native ISO I'm under the impression all of the alpha cameras have dual native but sony just doesnt talk about it Its not as clear cut on the older cameras, in slog, if you go up from 8000 to to 10000 it will be a maxed out low gain resulting in a super grainy image but if you go down from 12800 to 10000 it will be the lowest of the high gain giving you a really clean image The low/high native is different based on the picture profile I know on the a7s1 in slog its 3200/8000 (again you have to go down to 8000) I've seen this behavior on the A7R2, the a6100, and the a6400 So I'm convinced they all have dual native, and always have
@@empowervideoproductions correct, it won't switch into high gain until you go beyond 10000 ISO This is unfortunate because it's not as straightforward as saying "10000 is the second native" This can result in either a very clean ISO 10000 or an unusable iso 10000
It's the dream camera that I decided to get, just because all other Sony cameras are so expensive in comparison. As a camera now, it excels best in photography, since you get that delicious 14-bit RAW. The a7sii just works so well in low light. I can usually push an image to 64000 ISO and the noise on it still is minimal enough to be usable, which is incredible for a camera today. The biggest downside is that so many of the flaws require external gear. Cine4 is realistically the only profile you can shoot with if you forgo the external monitor, because slog2/3 without any LUTs is just awful to monitor internally imo
there is a "dual" native ISO but Sony never really spoken about it in specs/press. I believe when you hit 12800, toggle back down to 10K and then back up and it cleans up! I used this religiously on low light concert videography last fall and ended up upgrading to a FX30 bc I needed the AF and 10 bit recording.
Thank you for spreading this little known info The high gain on the A7S2 is 10000 So you have to go down to it from 12800 If you go up to it from 8000 it will be really grainy because it's a maxed out low gain 8000->10000 bad 12800->10000 good
@@thecommish80 I have not personally tested it, but it seems that you do not need to go up and then down on the a7s3 But I have personally seen that you need to go up and then down on the A7S, A7S2, A7R2, a6100, a6400
Got an a7S II less than a year ago after experimenting with the video on my Canon 5D mark II and every time i use it the ressults impress me on the flexibiliti and fom factor, I'm learning a lot with it. PD: Nearly picked up an a7S (mark 1) but the IBIS was the decisive factor.
@@jakehayden998 I got the body with the 24-70 f4, wich is fantastic, but right now I'm mostrly using an EF 50mm f1.4, EF 20-35 f2.8 and my MVP, an old beaten upAuto-Takumar 55mm f1.8. The Takumar adapted to EF and that with a Viltrox EF-NEX IV
Great! Thanks for the video. Wanted to know why this camera was so popular) Full frame is not in budget yet, so I'm thinking about a6700 or x-s20. I'll use camera mostly for youtube videos. Maybe you have any suggestions? Because it so hard for me to pick the right one..
Depends on what kind of work you’re doing. For the most part I would personally stay with the c100 but your use case might be totally different. I love how the c100 has internal NDs, XLR, and a great battery life
@@jakehayden998 Currently mostly weddings, but it's definitely not what I want to do on the long run. I love all of these things about it too, just the bitrate is so low.
Hi great video!!!! Really shows how good cameras we have since like 2010. Could you share what lenses did you use on a7sii? Both in A roll and while shooting?
Thanks for a kind words! Most of the time when I’m holding the camera it either has a Sony 11mm f1.8 on it or an modded Helios 44-2 58mm f2. All of the test shots around the lake were filmed with a Leica Elmarit-R 90mm f2.8
ETTR is something we all did with 8bit SLOG 3...And I vaguely recall 1.7stops being the sweet spot. Do you think if you reduced this to 1 or 0.5 stops the artefacts in the highlights be reduced as you'd be pulling the footage less? Just a thought.... Thanks for the throwback
5d mark 2 is also the camera that started the revolution. Would be cool to see if you review that camera too to see if the footage still holds up
That’s actually a really fun idea, I’ll look into getting one in the next couple of months
@@jakehayden998 love my 5D II, such a great workhorse, everything is right where it needs to be for photo work, and it all just works the way it's supposed to. glad to hear you might do a video on it.
I still use the A7S2 for work, unfortunately i have to rig it to get around the quirks
But yes it does have a dual native ISO
I'm under the impression all of the alpha cameras have dual native but sony just doesnt talk about it
Its not as clear cut on the older cameras, in slog, if you go up from 8000 to to 10000 it will be a maxed out low gain resulting in a super grainy image but if you go down from 12800 to 10000 it will be the lowest of the high gain giving you a really clean image
The low/high native is different based on the picture profile
I know on the a7s1 in slog its 3200/8000 (again you have to go down to 8000)
I've seen this behavior on the A7R2, the a6100, and the a6400
So I'm convinced they all have dual native, and always have
can you clarify going from 12800 to 10000? like just go to 12,800 an scroll down to 10,000?
@@empowervideoproductions correct, it won't switch into high gain until you go beyond 10000 ISO
This is unfortunate because it's not as straightforward as saying "10000 is the second native"
This can result in either a very clean ISO 10000 or an unusable iso 10000
It's the dream camera that I decided to get, just because all other Sony cameras are so expensive in comparison. As a camera now, it excels best in photography, since you get that delicious 14-bit RAW. The a7sii just works so well in low light. I can usually push an image to 64000 ISO and the noise on it still is minimal enough to be usable, which is incredible for a camera today.
The biggest downside is that so many of the flaws require external gear. Cine4 is realistically the only profile you can shoot with if you forgo the external monitor, because slog2/3 without any LUTs is just awful to monitor internally imo
there is a "dual" native ISO but Sony never really spoken about it in specs/press. I believe when you hit 12800, toggle back down to 10K and then back up and it cleans up! I used this religiously on low light concert videography last fall and ended up upgrading to a FX30 bc I needed the AF and 10 bit recording.
Thank you for spreading this little known info
The high gain on the A7S2 is 10000
So you have to go down to it from 12800
If you go up to it from 8000 it will be really grainy because it's a maxed out low gain
8000->10000 bad
12800->10000 good
Is this for everything with a dual gain sensor or just specific to the A7S 2?
Not the specic isos but going up then down?
@@thecommish80 it’s just the A7S2
@@thecommish80 I have not personally tested it, but it seems that you do not need to go up and then down on the a7s3
But I have personally seen that you need to go up and then down on the A7S, A7S2, A7R2, a6100, a6400
@takeasnapshot ok. Good to know though. Thanks.
SLog2 is actually really great as soon it is exposed well. Just reset PP7 and don't tweak it
Great watch! Recently had the chance to use the a7siii. It's mind blowing how much has changed, but how the sii still holds up!
Yeah for sure! I was really surprised with how good the sii was, I thought the footage would look much much worse
I had the A7s ii and i also still own the A7s Mark 1. Legendary cameras for sure
I'd like to get the A7s mark 1 in at some point for review, I've only used it once and I loved it
@@jakehayden998 I ve'used it for a long time. Not so many differences between it and mark 2, but no IBIS and 4K.
Yo literally made a vid for dehancer this week and the footy was shot on this, still got mad love for this camera
Yeah I was actually really shocked how well the footage stands up to color grades. It really is impressive for it’s age
@@jakehayden998 Also not having to worry about storage. Good times dude, good times.
Got an a7S II less than a year ago after experimenting with the video on my Canon 5D mark II and every time i use it the ressults impress me on the flexibiliti and fom factor, I'm learning a lot with it. PD: Nearly picked up an a7S (mark 1) but the IBIS was the decisive factor.
Ah nice, what kinds of lenses are you using the A7sii with?
@@jakehayden998 I got the body with the 24-70 f4, wich is fantastic, but right now I'm mostrly using an EF 50mm f1.4, EF 20-35 f2.8 and my MVP, an old beaten upAuto-Takumar 55mm f1.8. The Takumar adapted to EF and that with a Viltrox EF-NEX IV
yes, I am down to hang out a little bit. thank you.
Back then people didn’t know how to grade well without relying on LUTs. That could’ve caused issues with skin tones as well.
Yeah there are definitely some really wacky looking color grades from back in the day
Great! Thanks for the video. Wanted to know why this camera was so popular) Full frame is not in budget yet, so I'm thinking about a6700 or x-s20. I'll use camera mostly for youtube videos. Maybe you have any suggestions? Because it so hard for me to pick the right one..
Of those two options I would personally pick the a6700. It’s capable of nearly everything you could throw at it and the image quality is fantastic
@@jakehayden998 thank you! By the way I love how you talk about cameras. It’s super helpful that you show how you grade the footage.
Sappy thesis ❤
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0:46 Jake I’m always down to hang out
Would it make sense to sell the C100 mk2 for an A7sii?
Depends on what kind of work you’re doing. For the most part I would personally stay with the c100 but your use case might be totally different. I love how the c100 has internal NDs, XLR, and a great battery life
Yes
@@jakehayden998 Currently mostly weddings, but it's definitely not what I want to do on the long run. I love all of these things about it too, just the bitrate is so low.
Hi great video!!!! Really shows how good cameras we have since like 2010. Could you share what lenses did you use on a7sii? Both in A roll and while shooting?
Thanks for a kind words! Most of the time when I’m holding the camera it either has a Sony 11mm f1.8 on it or an modded Helios 44-2 58mm f2. All of the test shots around the lake were filmed with a Leica Elmarit-R 90mm f2.8
ETTR is something we all did with 8bit SLOG 3...And I vaguely recall 1.7stops being the sweet spot.
Do you think if you reduced this to 1 or 0.5 stops the artefacts in the highlights be reduced as you'd be pulling the footage less?
Just a thought.... Thanks for the throwback
SLog3 is too flat in highlights, It is better to use SLog2 for that case
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the terrible autofocus of this great camera?