I love this camera. I bought it used in 2022 and shot a feature doc that was nationally distributed by PBS (television and Amazon). Shot the whole thing in 8-bit. I agree that it has to be the best 8-bit of all time.
@@bmefilms6879 it was just released on Amazon Prime under the PBS Documentaries channel. It’s called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. You can see the trailer on my youtube channel under “trailers.”
@@bmefilms6879 sorry I thought I responded to you but I guess it didn’t post. The film is called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. It’s on the PBS Documentaries channel of Amazon Prime. You can see the trailer for it on my youtube channel under the “trailers” playlist. Thanks
C200 is what I have at my day job making social content for government. Use it every week. It's a beast, despite its flaws, and I've seldom wished I had anything different on hand. Great breakdown!
Young sir! Excellent post! I've been at the top of a mountain yelling this to folks for the past 2 years.!! A C-200 is the sweet spot of High end cinematic capabilities and pratical low maintenance social media production. Keep up the great work! PEACE!!
Bought my C200 this summer in mint condition for 1100 USD, picked up a Sigma 18-35 for another 400. I feel this is the end game camera for me, can't imagine wanting anything more. 4K, 12bit raw, insanely ergonomic, the screen tilts up and has a mirror function so that even a huge teleprompter doesn't obstruct it. Apple M chips crunch the raw files without problem. I just don't see anything even close on the horizon without spending multiples of this amount. It has a zen feeling too that's hard to explain, I just want to film with it, the buttons, the inputs, the handle, the easy to understand menu (coming after multiple Sony mirrorless...). I am beyond happy to have found this camera. Before I was looking at C100 Mk2s which sometimes also go for this price, but I held out to have that 4K futureproof, now I'm done searching.
As a long time C200 user: black balance semi-frequently, and lower the iso in low light situations. Those two things can help with tremendously with noise. I also highly recommend Juan Melara’s C-Log 2 to Alexa power grade, and setting your resolve Raw settings to read canon raw files as C-Log 2 and cinema gamut by default and then saving that to be your default setting.
I agree with ALL of this! Such a beast for the LOW price you can find them for. My biggest hang up used to be the MASSIVE file sizes when shooting RAW, but with media storage being so cheap these days, this is an AMAZING choice for anyone wanting to break into the world of cinema cameras!
I love the C200 I have two of them. Works great for documentary and talking head videos. RAW isn't that big of an issue anymore with cheaper storage and higher processing of most computers.
I think the c200 was a solid camera, but where canon nailed the market was and is the c70. Aside from its connection shortfalls, the c70 is the most versatile cinema camera in canon’s line up for good reason. Looking forward to seeing what the c400 does, but of course that’s in a much higher price bracket vs the used 200 market.
Validating my choice to purchase 2 Canon C200's in the past month, virtually replacing my C300 Mii and C100 Mii. Easy to find EC copies. Like new, really. And the Mac M2 chips handle the RAW files with ease. It was a camera ahead of its time in file size and price. Now at $1500-2000, with more powerful computers, it's a steal. Been following your journey to this camera. Thanks for your honesty and for having a little fun along the way.
Bro, 35mm EK film has like 8-9 stops DR lol. People are so spoiled. Back in the days we had to get exposure spot on. I played with a digital C100 II and it outperforms scanned film.
I have 2 of these cameras that I use for work in a live-to-tape multicam studio setting and that I've been using for about 5 years. I absolutely love them. I did shoot once in 8-bit before I got a dummy cfast to 1TB ssd adaptor - and it was ok IMO - but the raw light is fantastic. Full transparency, I would NOT have bought them had it not been for the cfast dummy adaptor to ssd at a fraction of the cost vs the cfast cards which were (and are) in the stoopid zone of cost... internal 10bit would have been nice, but Canon would have most certainly cannibalized (canonbalized?) sales of the c300ii. Anyway, I only shoot in raw and have a large NAS for storage, although I do shoot the proxy 8bit mp4's that I'll edit with before relinking to the raw footage for grading and render. Bottom line is that I'll be using this camera for years to come and I'm ignoring all the new cameras with new bells & whistles - it's the forever black hole all us gear nuts always and inevitably keep falling into, and they'll always be something better. Otherwise, great review -
I own both c200 and fs7. The fs7 has no af and a terrible screen. So the only way for focus is to buy a 7in monitior.. and power it.. you end up with a monster rig.. which can be a problem. C200 AF or MF green box means you can use the little screen and keep the build small. Also raw is just gets what fs7 misses.
c200 got a good working autofocus you can use while filming. for everything else, FS7 is way better. canon was so spoiled about their C300 / C100 sells, so they crippled the cam. if canon added a 10bit internal recording, the C200 would be the one-trick-pony everyone was still using until this day, but canon wanted it not so close to the C300. so they fucked it up and everyone went to Sony / Blackmagic / fuji
The all 3 cameras is very similar canon c100 mark II is a beast they have to lack the 4k recording and 10 bit codec, otherwise no one would buy c200 or c300mk2
I did a standard picture profile test on my channel of the FS7 paired with Canon FD SSC glass. I shoot a lot of talking head corporate work and my cam op also has the FS7. It’s just easy to shoot two cam setup, use very little storage and get really soft skin tones and character from the FD glass.
Hey Jake, when you say the 8bit is great, are you shooting CLOG 3 or just accepting a standard profile? I've found the image falls apart a bit when I grade an clip shot in CLOG 3, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. Also, I saw you mention the unreliable cfast slot in your list at the beginning. What problem did you encounter in particular?
The Sony FS5 is an interesting alternative to this camera if you cared about having a codec in between 8 bit and 12 bit with reasonable file sizes. The only downside is that the internal 10 bit is only HD.
yea, that makes the FS5 useless - because it produces ugly skin tones. same like the FS7 in 8bit - but with the FS7 you can record 10bit Slog3 and get nice colors in post. would not recommend a FS5 today
Great video and a wonderfully pleasant and informative tone. Maybe the c300ii is a better bet. A great camera. Just a thought. Think how many doc oscars and netflix series that camera has nailed. Cant be wrong. Thx for the great contribution and for highlighting a second hand camera.
I see you’re using the Angelbird 1tb CFast cars. On Angelbird’s website they say the 1tb size isn’t compatible. Is that the case or can I still use it?
I've had the C200 for four years now. Works perfectly for my jobs - there is no reason to switch it. At first I was shocked of how much noise there was but you just have to over expose a bit and it's not a problem. The C200 has the most pleasing image of all the cameras I've used. Much better than RED for example. It's cheap, reliable and the image is just reeeeally good. Soft, filmlike and full of emotion. :DD
Don't understand you going from FX3 to this. I'd go for FX30 if I need to save money. Using C200 also locks you into EF lenses without being able to take advantage of adapters or speedboosters.
Also interested about this. I’m kind of bored of my FX3 and thinking of switching to something that produces some nice colour right out of the gate. FX3 just doesn’t challenge me like other cameras have in the past in a way…but to downgrade this much from it, I think I’d regret it.
You say that but have you a actually shot with a Canon cinema camera? Oh boy. Despite people's complaints, you can't beat the colours, internal nds, cooling fans, Built in XLR, physical buttons...etc etc. He mentioned all this in the video. The c100 mk2 is magic to this day!
I feel you on that one. My C200 is my ride or die, but I also f-ing hate it sometimes. An angel in devils clothing if you will. Still....I wouldn't get rid of it at all.
I was thinking about these, gone freelance and While I love my xt4 for weddings it isnt ideal. Though myfundsarelow. So trying to Min max my budget this popped into mind and as fate would have it you bought one. Though for the price of all the cameras I see my head keeps turning back to the XH2s.... Choices choices. Urg
When I apply a CST, it looks really bad, over saturated, highlights blown out, noisy, blocky... I try to work in DR Wide gamut and export to REC709 in the end, but what I see from others with CST is not happening with my footage. Maybe the C100's bitrate/quality is too low?
Don't even bother, Switch to Wide DR and just get the white balance right. You don't have to colour tweak at all! The 1080p out of that camera is probably the best of all time. Don't bother with 8 bit footage pushing the grade.
You're late to the game and of course you are making a 2024 video on C200 but all this has been dicussed and answered in the c200 facebook groups. On the topic of 10bit, initially Canon didnt give us 10 bit because they wanted to protect sales of the c300s and above. At the time it made sense but many many years later it didnt. Many models had come and gone but Canon refused to give us that 10 bit update for c200. Even this month they released an update for the c500 mk2 giving it features that at the time many said was protecting the c70. So yeah, Canon life.
I love this camera. I bought it used in 2022 and shot a feature doc that was nationally distributed by PBS (television and Amazon). Shot the whole thing in 8-bit. I agree that it has to be the best 8-bit of all time.
Awesome!
link?
@@bmefilms6879 it was just released on Amazon Prime under the PBS Documentaries channel. It’s called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. You can see the trailer on my youtube channel under “trailers.”
@@bmefilms6879 sorry I thought I responded to you but I guess it didn’t post. The film is called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers. It’s on the PBS Documentaries channel of Amazon Prime. You can see the trailer for it on my youtube channel under the “trailers” playlist. Thanks
@@bmefilms6879 not sure why my response keeps getting deleted. The film is called ROAR: The Story of the Southern Columbia Football Tigers.
C200 is what I have at my day job making social content for government. Use it every week. It's a beast, despite its flaws, and I've seldom wished I had anything different on hand. Great breakdown!
Young sir! Excellent post! I've been at the top of a mountain yelling this to folks for the past 2 years.!! A C-200 is the sweet spot of High end cinematic capabilities and pratical low maintenance social media production. Keep up the great work! PEACE!!
Bought my C200 this summer in mint condition for 1100 USD, picked up a Sigma 18-35 for another 400. I feel this is the end game camera for me, can't imagine wanting anything more. 4K, 12bit raw, insanely ergonomic, the screen tilts up and has a mirror function so that even a huge teleprompter doesn't obstruct it. Apple M chips crunch the raw files without problem. I just don't see anything even close on the horizon without spending multiples of this amount. It has a zen feeling too that's hard to explain, I just want to film with it, the buttons, the inputs, the handle, the easy to understand menu (coming after multiple Sony mirrorless...). I am beyond happy to have found this camera. Before I was looking at C100 Mk2s which sometimes also go for this price, but I held out to have that 4K futureproof, now I'm done searching.
As a long time C200 user: black balance semi-frequently, and lower the iso in low light situations. Those two things can help with tremendously with noise.
I also highly recommend Juan Melara’s C-Log 2 to Alexa power grade, and setting your resolve Raw settings to read canon raw files as C-Log 2 and cinema gamut by default and then saving that to be your default setting.
I agree with ALL of this! Such a beast for the LOW price you can find them for. My biggest hang up used to be the MASSIVE file sizes when shooting RAW, but with media storage being so cheap these days, this is an AMAZING choice for anyone wanting to break into the world of cinema cameras!
Man, I laughed so hard after your jumping on the table intro.
LOLOLOLOLOL.
I subbed to your channel immediately!
Very good scripting. I appreciate your search for perspective. Thanks for an insightful video.
Love the personal insight. No 10bit was astonishing. Canon could’ve secured a large part of the videographer market with that.
Nailed it! Love and hate my c200... mostly love.
👍🏾👍🏾 *_Pure Genius, you are!_* I'm really considering adding this to my kit! Thanks, Jake, Bro.
I bought/sold this camera 5 times over the years. Something special about it. You shoot your talking heads in the 8 bit? Or raw?
What makes you sell it all the time?
are u using this macbook air to edit and grade all ur stuff?
I love the C200 I have two of them. Works great for documentary and talking head videos. RAW isn't that big of an issue anymore with cheaper storage and higher processing of most computers.
I think the c200 was a solid camera, but where canon nailed the market was and is the c70. Aside from its connection shortfalls, the c70 is the most versatile cinema camera in canon’s line up for good reason. Looking forward to seeing what the c400 does, but of course that’s in a much higher price bracket vs the used 200 market.
Validating my choice to purchase 2 Canon C200's in the past month, virtually replacing my C300 Mii and C100 Mii. Easy to find EC copies. Like new, really. And the Mac M2 chips handle the RAW files with ease. It was a camera ahead of its time in file size and price. Now at $1500-2000, with more powerful computers, it's a steal. Been following your journey to this camera. Thanks for your honesty and for having a little fun along the way.
C70 would be an easy upgrade for me.
You can shoot 10bit on the C200. You just have to shoot 60p in RAW. Still massive file size though...lol
Bro, 35mm EK film has like 8-9 stops DR lol. People are so spoiled. Back in the days we had to get exposure spot on. I played with a digital C100 II and it outperforms scanned film.
I have 2 of these cameras that I use for work in a live-to-tape multicam studio setting and that I've been using for about 5 years. I absolutely love them. I did shoot once in 8-bit before I got a dummy cfast to 1TB ssd adaptor - and it was ok IMO - but the raw light is fantastic. Full transparency, I would NOT have bought them had it not been for the cfast dummy adaptor to ssd at a fraction of the cost vs the cfast cards which were (and are) in the stoopid zone of cost... internal 10bit would have been nice, but Canon would have most certainly cannibalized (canonbalized?) sales of the c300ii.
Anyway, I only shoot in raw and have a large NAS for storage, although I do shoot the proxy 8bit mp4's that I'll edit with before relinking to the raw footage for grading and render.
Bottom line is that I'll be using this camera for years to come and I'm ignoring all the new cameras with new bells & whistles - it's the forever black hole all us gear nuts always and inevitably keep falling into, and they'll always be something better.
Otherwise, great review -
The video is great. I hope you make a video sharing how to adjust 8-bit color parameters on Canon c200
FS7 is the way to go - shooting internal 10bit Slog 3 you get beautiful colors out of it. only downside is the missing autofocus (if you need it)
I own both c200 and fs7. The fs7 has no af and a terrible screen. So the only way for focus is to buy a 7in monitior.. and power it.. you end up with a monster rig.. which can be a problem. C200 AF or MF green box means you can use the little screen and keep the build small. Also raw is just gets what fs7 misses.
Great stuff as always. I found the FS7 Mark II checked all my boxes. Easy codecs, great value and auto focus really not that bad considering.
c200 got a good working autofocus you can use while filming. for everything else, FS7 is way better. canon was so spoiled about their C300 / C100 sells, so they crippled the cam. if canon added a 10bit internal recording, the C200 would be the one-trick-pony everyone was still using until this day, but canon wanted it not so close to the C300. so they fucked it up and everyone went to Sony / Blackmagic / fuji
@@noBfilm Really good points. The dance they had to do between cameras was a joke.
The all 3 cameras is very similar canon c100 mark II is a beast they have to lack the 4k recording and 10 bit codec, otherwise no one would buy c200 or c300mk2
I did a standard picture profile test on my channel of the FS7 paired with Canon FD SSC glass. I shoot a lot of talking head corporate work and my cam op also has the FS7. It’s just easy to shoot two cam setup, use very little storage and get really soft skin tones and character from the FD glass.
I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on the C400.
Hey Jake, when you say the 8bit is great, are you shooting CLOG 3 or just accepting a standard profile? I've found the image falls apart a bit when I grade an clip shot in CLOG 3, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. Also, I saw you mention the unreliable cfast slot in your list at the beginning. What problem did you encounter in particular?
what about the C70? and with a atomos ninja V + SDI port?
0:04 lol why🤣😭
The Sony FS5 is an interesting alternative to this camera if you cared about having a codec in between 8 bit and 12 bit with reasonable file sizes. The only downside is that the internal 10 bit is only HD.
yea, that makes the FS5 useless - because it produces ugly skin tones. same like the FS7 in 8bit - but with the FS7 you can record 10bit Slog3 and get nice colors in post. would not recommend a FS5 today
@@noBfilm100% agreed. The color science in the FS5 renders it utterly unusable.
7:49 dude I just wanna know what mic stand you're using, that shits FIRE!! Althought idk if it could hold my sm7b
yo late but thats at2020 im pretty sure
@@bondo532 Oh I meant the stand, not the microphone! Sorry 😅
Great video and a wonderfully pleasant and informative tone. Maybe the c300ii is a better bet. A great camera. Just a thought. Think how many doc oscars and netflix series that camera has nailed. Cant be wrong. Thx for the great contribution and for highlighting a second hand camera.
I always wonder if this can Output ProRess to a ninja V?
Why not an fs7?🤔
I see you’re using the Angelbird 1tb CFast cars. On Angelbird’s website they say the 1tb size isn’t compatible. Is that the case or can I still use it?
I've had the C200 for four years now. Works perfectly for my jobs - there is no reason to switch it. At first I was shocked of how much noise there was but you just have to over expose a bit and it's not a problem. The C200 has the most pleasing image of all the cameras I've used. Much better than RED for example.
It's cheap, reliable and the image is just reeeeally good. Soft, filmlike and full of emotion. :DD
if you 'over expose' to kill the noise that is exposing.
Don't understand you going from FX3 to this. I'd go for FX30 if I need to save money. Using C200 also locks you into EF lenses without being able to take advantage of adapters or speedboosters.
Also interested about this. I’m kind of bored of my FX3 and thinking of switching to something that produces some nice colour right out of the gate. FX3 just doesn’t challenge me like other cameras have in the past in a way…but to downgrade this much from it, I think I’d regret it.
@@TheDogbrainShow You can still shoot external RAW with Sony. Or go with Blackmagic if you don't need AF.
He said he wanted something with SDI and hdmi to fit into more workflows, FX3 doesn’t do SDI
Why would you need a speedbooster?
You say that but have you a actually shot with a Canon cinema camera? Oh boy. Despite people's complaints, you can't beat the colours, internal nds, cooling fans, Built in XLR, physical buttons...etc etc. He mentioned all this in the video.
The c100 mk2 is magic to this day!
I feel you on that one. My C200 is my ride or die, but I also f-ing hate it sometimes. An angel in devils clothing if you will. Still....I wouldn't get rid of it at all.
I was thinking about these, gone freelance and While I love my xt4 for weddings it isnt ideal. Though myfundsarelow. So trying to Min max my budget this popped into mind and as fate would have it you bought one. Though for the price of all the cameras I see my head keeps turning back to the XH2s.... Choices choices. Urg
can only wish to have that camera, or any cine camera for that matter
C70 used would be a little better if you had FX3 money but the C200 is an amazing deal!
Have you tried the Ursa 4.6K Pro G1? I just got it for 1K$
why did you swap the mke600 with at2020?
Let's start a fight: used C200 vs FX30 new. Besides SDI and LAN, where else does C200 win?
I struggle with that
fx30 - no nd ,no audio, no power in, no sdi so client can watch, no good
I'm struggling with the C100 Mkii's LOG, falls apart with Color space transform in DR... why :(
Is it the color or the contrast that are broken?
When I apply a CST, it looks really bad, over saturated, highlights blown out, noisy, blocky... I try to work in DR Wide gamut and export to REC709 in the end, but what I see from others with CST is not happening with my footage. Maybe the C100's bitrate/quality is too low?
Look into OwlBot’s LUT for the C100 mk ii, it’s a much better choice
Don't even bother, Switch to Wide DR and just get the white balance right. You don't have to colour tweak at all! The 1080p out of that camera is probably the best of all time.
Don't bother with 8 bit footage pushing the grade.
@@getfmlr I might try that the next time, thanks!
You're late to the game and of course you are making a 2024 video on C200 but all this has been dicussed and answered in the c200 facebook groups. On the topic of 10bit, initially Canon didnt give us 10 bit because they wanted to protect sales of the c300s and above. At the time it made sense but many many years later it didnt. Many models had come and gone but Canon refused to give us that 10 bit update for c200. Even this month they released an update for the c500 mk2 giving it features that at the time many said was protecting the c70. So yeah, Canon life.
I think your face is beautiful
Lol