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Ooh another ironman you could do is andaron saga

It's nice to see why people don't like the game. I'm a bit biased as it's my favorite in the series (Not counting the saga games) but I never understood why the maps being long is an issue. You can save mid map, Come back to it later and each map feels like several put together. I do get people don't like the large maps though, LENGTH though it shouldn't be an issue.

i always thought that the hate for Kris was extremely overblown. i don't particularly like that (s)he started the trend of overpowered self-insert characters, but aside from the prologue (s)he hardly takes up the story, and, if you're that bothered, and not playing on Lunatic Reverse, (s)he can sit on the bench for literally the whole game afterwards.

I've always just felt that the addition of Kris was superfluous - both for story and for gameplay. The story works just fine without him, and his forced deployment (I think he's force-deployed? It's been a while since I've played FE12 so I can't remember for sure) makes it hard to experiment with team-building. I mean, there's already the FE3 original cast, plus all the new characters from FE11, and they even added in exclusive characters from BS Fire Emblem/Archanaea Saga. You already have very limited deployment slots to work with, and considering Kris stands head and shoulders above everyone else combat-wise, it makes it that much harder for other lesser-used units to shine. It also certainly doesn't help, in my case, that FE3 is my favorite game in the series, and I loved the story as-is. [EDIT: I definitely would have preferred a faithful story remake while taking advantage of the DS's capacity to fill in certain details of the story that they couldn't fit into the original SNES version.] I just don't think adding Kris was necessary. One positive thing, though, is that I actually liked how they showed the relationship between Kris and Katarina in their side story/B-plot. I thought their whole story was pretty cute.

Training Shanna really isn’t that difficult. You have EIGHT chapters to do it before she absolutely needs to promote, so while it can seem daunting, the amount of time you have to do it makes it very easily attainable. Plus, even early on, she provides useful combat niches thanks to flight + speed, even if she’s a bit squishy. But then again, everyone’s kinda squishy early (and no one rounds early as well, so Shanna can routinely swoop in and perform the last bit of damage to a weakened enemy). This is amplified by the fact that a lot of the early joiners in FE6 don’t really demand a lot of exp, either to being more short term (Marcus or Dieck), being super self sufficient (Rutger), or just being shit (Wolt, Bors, axe bros). There’s plenty of exp to go around and Shanna makes the best use of it thanks to her flight. Thea is more of a side grade to Shanna if anything. It’s only one point of con over Shanna, so she’s also weighed down a ton, and the strength difference isn’t all too large anyways, and Shanna is likely to be much faster, which is the actual most important combat stat in FE6 from my experience. Plus Thea’s weapon levels are kinda mid. A trained Shanna can not only use swords, but also use the Silver Lance throughout the Western Isles, something even Melady will be some ways off from for a little bit.

The benchmark for early game fliers is always gonna be Vanessa, Shanna, and Erinys, and by extension, Fee.

They are overrated. Most of them are bad versions of Palla. How good they are for investment isn't an accurate estimation of their overall inate strength as a unit.

no. they are some of the best units. marcia being the best.

But horse girls tho... For me the biggest factor is how much favouritism you give an early peg. If you're focusing on other training projects then your flyer will never really get good, but if you have plenty of xp that you're happy to shuttle into the flier (like lyn mode florina or fe8 vanessa), then they can scale quickly and stay ahead of the difficulty curve for combat

Are they overrated? In any game where they can sneak grab a village, no they are not.

The new webcam transitions are good imo,I like to put faces into voices personally.

So what you're saying is that Chloe and FE 11 Caeda are great fliers not by the type of class that they're in, but what the game gives them in comparison to the others in other games. Caeda. Wing spear. You get like 5 of them. The chapters are littered with horse and armors. Yes, great flier. Chloe. Saying she has great mixed bulk on a 5 def flier makes me think this is more of an Engage ring generalization or of her way overbloated hp pool than fliers from other games. But in these games, units are more about combat capabilities than utility. So its natural enough for a combat-focused game to give a unit 9 more hp than the classic GBA pegasus with 17/18 hp to be better at combat. And that's not even considering engage ring stats. Oh, and weapon triangle not being a thing in Engage. While I won't deny that these are great units, comparing early fliers to these two with what they have access to is like comparing Amelia to Seth with a silver lance (which is what he comes with anyway). So at that point, other than them being able to traverse over water, you might as well be comparing two different units just because IS decided on giving them a spear or the ability to not get oneshot by a iron bow.

They're pretty good yeah, they just aren't the absolute best in every game, in some games they are the best however.

I don't think anyone is making out Shanna to be this God of warfare. You use her for three reasons: fetch stuff, move dudes and not go to goddamn Sacae I think that places her way above most of that weird cast and if she crits something with killer lance, then hey, she contributed even more. Let's go

The thesis here seems to be "early fliers arent that good at combat, they need investment to be any good, hence theyre overrated" wich i get, but i disagree. No, esrly fliers cant do everything on their own, theyre not broken combat units, but they can be, and thats the point. If you have to invest on a unit and have to chose between an archer, a mercenary and a pegasus, the pegasus just has _so_ many points in their favour that even if they need some babying they turn into one of the best and most autonomous units in the game.

Combat wise, the early game flier is a hit or a miss depending on unit and game. The utility to me is unrivaled however. To me, the early game flier is similar in utility to the dancer later on: in that the flier can often help facilitate movement plays and extends the main combat units reach over time. Karin of Thracia comes to mind in how she can aid with map transversal and get key combatants to areas they otherwise wouldn't be able to reach. Chapters 6, 10, and the whole of b route are greatly mitigated in difficulty by using Karin.

I’m starting out a sacred stones game, Ross is a level 7 journeyman and he actually has higher stats than Garcia already, I got really lucky level ups

Nope

RE FE6&7: the fliers are better than you think they are because these game really lack good early game project units. Pretty rare for any of the early cast to stick around so might as well train the flier since they provide cheese utility if nothing else.

Palla fe3 where ?

I gotta disagree with one notion about Florina she is kinda hard to train in Lyn mode most of the enemies are brigands though more soldiers and mercs appear later I find her difficult to take care of when I first played fe7 florina was my first loss because the game encourages to save the village with her putting in danger of a brigand that just destroyed her in two hits. She just takes too much babying for a unit so mid at fighting of course I won’t deny her rescue utility being able to rescue units like Oswin and Hawkeye is really useful but I find no reason to use when in every playthrough Fiora turns out better

Florina i think is absolute dogshit personally. Shanna is both underrated and overrated, giving her kills is not *that* hard. And she does have a lot of speed and luck. But her damage output leaves a lot to be desired. One thing not that often mentioned is the fact she has some pretty quick supports with dieck and lot. If trained she can become a dodgetank, which makes pretty much any unit good.

Early fliers are always good because they're cute (very cool video btw)

One flier that definitely gets screwed is vanessa, since you face a lot of axe fighters early. Ends up easily replaced by tana or cormag

I am one of the people that would say Chloe is not one of the best units in the game. Early on she does struggle to one round since ahe either cant kill with lighter weapons or gets alowed too much by hevier ones. She starts doing ok if promoted immediately but i feel there are better users of the early master seal. For the Hortensia map example I would typically already have Alear or Louis promoted into Wyvern/Griffin respectively so they can fill that role as well. Yes she is good with resources but the problem is that she requires resources that other units don't. I personally play by giving no stat boosters/SP books and without them ahe can't get power skills or anything to boost her damage ao she just falls behind most other units who function without these boosts

I have never been a fan of Shanna regardless of her utility. Unless you play LTC her flier itility isnt that necessary. Playing at an average pace can get you all the side objectives easily. Most of these arent even that far out of the way prior to Thea joining anyway so anyone can easily get them.

Based webcam user, I agree with most of your takes, for me personally 90% of early game fliers are pretty lame.

A lot of the flier good mentality harkens back to LTC being the measure for unit rating days. Now while they are still good I feel like a lot of people simply parrot that idea for ALL of them without fully understanding why some of them are very good, so its nice to see this sort of format with actual explanations to back it up. Very similar to the concept a lot of people have of ALL armour knights are bad, when its actually only a handful of them.

Rescue dropping over normally unpassable Terrain is just really nice. No matter that they can't hold bigger weapons without a massive speed drop or are one shot by a lot of early enemies.

Shanna's low force and her high speed mean that she will hit the enemies a lot before killing them so she will get many weapon experience and will be able to use a silver lance in early game