Singer 758 Touch & Sew rebuild Incl/timing belt & gears.Worth it if you love your T&Sew (video 158)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ม.ค. 2022
- The customer loves her 758 Touch and Sew and wanted it rebuilt. Getting to be a common occurrence. Sometimes rebuilding an old American made machine is better than buying a sketchy one from China for the same money.
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Randy, Great video showing how to set the timing. I really appreciate a true craftsman like yourself. Can you recommend anyone for a bobin repair? I have hit a brick wall and since it was passed to my wife about 60 years ago and is quite sentimental. It is a 758n touch and sew. I need a repairman.
Muchas gracias por toda la información
You’re welcome.👍😎
Hello Randy,
On replacement of the Cam Stack Gear on the top side of the machine. Did you have to machine out the new cam gear from inside base from the gear bottom by approximately 1/16 of an inch. Thanks.
No. The bolt that holds the cam stack in place is on an eccentric cam at the bottom. There’s a screwdriver slot in the bottom that you can turn to move the cam stack closer or further away from the main shaft. If it’s too tight it either won’t fit or will bind up.
Place it in with the cam rotated until it drops right in. Then you can turn the cam until it closes down the gap without being too tight. No machining required.
Nice doing the video but you are not showing how to remove the gears or replace them or even replacement belt so it not much help to people watching the video we watch to get trouble shooting tips please do another video that will help
Hey Randy, I love your videos. I recently was given a 758 and was told it had some issues. long story short, I figured out there is an issue with the belt. it appears someone replaced the hook gears at some point but anyways my question is if I should even bother attempting this? I've got a bit of experience fixing sewing machines at this point but I haven't done anything near as complicated at this. Any suggestions on what to do with the machine if you don't think it's worth fixing? (I have more machines than I need I only took it because it was free)
If you notice deterioration in the timing belt, it will need to be replaced.
If it isn’t oily and disintegrating, or cracking at the ribs, it might be ok.
Sometimes people think they should oil the belt which is a mistake. It will cause it to dissolve.
When you take the bottom off and you notice powder like flakes under the belt area, it’s a goner.
Replacing the gears is a cinch, compared to replacing the timing belt.
There are so many tiny details that have to be perfect, I don’t encourage folks to replace them by themselves.
But if you try and fail, you’re only out the time,and you will gain experience.
That machine was a pretty hot item around 50 years ago.
Now it only has sentimental value to a few people.
Good luck.
My gears on my 758 look pretty funky they don’t appear to be cracked, but they have white moldy stuff on them and gummed up grease. I understand that they do not take oil or grease. So to wash them can I take alcohol with a toothbrush, and just clear them of all debris and not add anything to them.
They are toast.
They are done.
They are kaput.
They will need to be replaced.
You can clean them however you choose.
Then, throw them away, and get new ones. 😎😎
What state are you located in?
My timing belt broke and is now missing.
How would I get my Singer 417 to you to replace and rebuild?
I’m in Texas. I can accept your machine in person at any of my drop off locations in North Texas. It’s not a good idea to ship these old, heavy machines because the cost is prohibitive and the risk of damage is too high.
ABCSEW.COM has my locations.
For the cost of replacing an inner timing belt on a 417, I would recommend that you use those funds for a Singer 500-a or a 401-a. Maybe you can find a Kenmore 158 series. The presser feet and attachments will interchange.
Great video! Nice explanation of all that’s involved.
Lots of intricacies that you have to get right that only a seasoned professional can do. I do a lot of repairs from working on engines to repairing laptops and such but would gladly pay a professional to do service on my wife’s machine (Wife has a timing issue with her old machine and I suspect that the belt has slipped a cog or two).
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed your video.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I appreciate it greatly.
Randy, where do you suggest we buy Singer repair parts?
Just do a search for example, if you need a 66 class Apollo bobbin case you search:
“Singer 66 class Apollo bobbin case for sale”.
All the sellers will appear. 😎👍🏼
Hi Randy, do you have a video on how to actually get to the shafts to replace the gears for the feed dogs that i can watch or are you just showing people after you've gotten them off so they won't try to do it themselves? I'd like to give it a try and I will be sure not to lose any parts just incase I need to take it in. 😊
I try my best to illustrate the difficulty and dissuade folks from trying. Remember that in 49 years, I’ve never seen a novice be completely successful at it. You can take that as a caution or a challenge, depending on your personal brainpower.
Also remember, if you try and fail, you can have all the bits and pieces but don’t bring it to me afterwards. I don’t know of anyone who wants that distress.
If you scratch a shaft or disfigure a fastener head, game over. Find a competent repair person and pay them the money. Or……….
If you like the touch n sew platform and want to sew on one, buy a vintage Singer 600-E and save the money and aggravation. Just my humble opinion.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Well my amazing husband was able to replace the gears and my machine is sewing BUT the upper tension is too loose. Even when I adjust it to have as much tension as possible. I know you don't want to encourage people to try this but since he's a tad hard headed, and persistence is his middle name, would you be willing to tell me if that could be related to the timing being off or if my tension knob needs some work now? It was sewing fine before the gear for the feed dogs broke. Thanks if you can help and if you can't I'd still like to Thank you for your videos!
@@tamerat3794 your feeder timing is off. That’s why it’s looping underneath.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 glad you were able to replace your own gears. It's not hard. I've done it numerous times but, as you pointed out, this is not the video to tell you how to do that. But there are good videos out there that do
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 it's not hard. Do not be dissuaded
Awesome! In detail with enough that I was wondering. I was actually getting paranoid that someone tried replacing the belt gears with metal or something wrong ratio since I set the timing, though kept changing each rotation like the upper and lower shaft ratios are wrong due to the gear. I don't notice the belt jumping... so now to look at the gear box that moves the hook. Totally forgot about and almost embarrassed to upload my video I made since seems rude'y. I have a 756 and didn't like Singer so much until I worked on that one and got going. The lever design of the 600 series isn't something I enjoy or appreciate... at least yet... though wow... this got me stimulated big time rush. Like... what??? Also, what had me going though not unexpected since I've seen motor plugs prongs hokey and not expected or found in the service manual two potential designs.... my 758 has the prongs wrong. The black is in the front (side view or facing), the red wire is on the top and the white wire is on the bottom... along with all the pins depth not the same. Seems suspicious... though who knows with COVID and I even had Type 3 Parainfluenza this summer plus catch around sadly wreaking havoc and causing way more than most would admit to and only one hospital correctly identifying thankfully. The Type 3 adversely affects memory way more than I imagined and I'm guessing COVID might as well or at least distract indirectly. OK, anyways... thanks for sharing and hoping I can find a free service manual for these or I'm spending on a T&T I guess 700 series service manual. Anywhere to be found a thorough what you just did service manual excerpt for free by chance? Thanks for sharing!
Get a 600E touch n sew, if you really like the T&S, it’s a great machine. Wherever you find one, if it’s all there, it will probably just need cleaning and oiling. Metal gears and fewer issues than the newer models. For a machine that’s less persnickety, get a front load, 15 class Kenmore 158. They’re the ultimate in versatility and reliability in a sewing machine. Thanks for watching.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Wound up being the belt like you noted. I have this feeling I'm going to try that pin splice method if you've seen before. I also want to add to my bucket list machining brass gears for this machine, if not all steel. Though need to complete some upgrades on the mini-lathe before I see how that will perform machining bevel gears. I was also wondering if can upgrade that belt to a better quality like the Vikings or maybe another style that will fit those gear pulley teeth. Thanks for the insight. I have a good dozen different 158's and they're all great... other than I think the left homing model I found for zigzag stitching isn't so even tensioned no matter what I do and I forget which one that is offhand. I last left with that one wondering if the hook was the correct one. Thanks for the insight again and feedback! Last winter season starting in the fall for the first free machine, I got carried away with rescuing the made in the U.S. machines with the exceptions of the made in Sweden or Japan. Got up to over 50 machines and this winter finally donated the two Dressmakers and I still need to get the good working ones flowing back out to the Goodwill or listing on FB.
@@jafinch78 stapling the belt together is a bogus solution.
I can’t imagine using chewing gum to fix a flat tire either.
But, that’s just me. Good luck 🍀
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Thanks, yeah, I was wondering doing that with something like type 1 silicone or even better the 3M Scotch-Weld PR some number that's best for. The later is amazing and has been use successfully on tires literally. Though with rubber you ideally want to use the same material and re-vulcanize which would be challenging to make a special heated high pressure clamp to cure. I hear ya! My Dad was an industrial master mechanic, so rarely, I do find cost effective ways to keep tools from the dump or recyclers as well as save on parts. Since I don't sew much, figured I've got time to play around maybe and see what I can do. Guessing the metal gears and a Ultra-High-Strength Poly Chain Timing Belt or other determined based on what's on the market or can be custom made for the pitch would actually sell well potentially if the volume was high enough. I sincerely appreciate the feedback and if you were closer to SW Michigan, I'd send to you to do the repair without hesitation. Thank you sir!
@@jafinch78 you’re welcome. 👍
what causes the thread uptake to go bumping into the frame?
That’s probably because the plastic shaft collar has broken or shifted out of place.
If you remove the top cover and observe the area about 1/3 from the left on the upper main shaft, you’ll see either the bolt that used to hold the plastic collar in place, or the two pieces of the shaft collar that broke.
If you hold your hand wheel, and move it left and right (in and out), you’ll have verified that issue.
It’s not supposed to shift left and right.
The shaft collar’s job is to prevent that movement. 😎
Do you fix these older singers golden touch & sew?
Yes. That’s how I made the video. I was repairing that customer’s Touch n Sew.
I don’t encourage folks to sink money into the composite gear Singers, but the ones with metal gears are worth the effort and money in my opinion.
I have a singer touch and sew 578 and i cannot get it to thread the bobbin. I removed the bobbin case to make sure there were no threads stuck. Do you have a video that might help me get the bobbin case in place and thread the bobbin?
I’m sure there’s one on my site is it possible you mean a 758?
Yes I do. Sorry for the typo!
@@user-po2yg1tx4g 😎👍
Pity that nobody makes steel replacement gears for these machines.
In your previous video tonight, we talked about how precious the Kenmores are becoming. Some dude on ebay has had a 158-1430 for several months, looks to be in great shape. He's asking $60 plus shipping. For under $100 a great machine. No takers. I don't get it.
I didn't know you worked for Singer. When did they close all their sewing centers? As always, great talking with you. Stay well 🙏
I worked for Singer in the mid Seventies in Arlington, Texas and in Hurst, Texas. It was the beginning of the computer and plastic era.
I would be satisfied if someone made a decent nylon gear set for the 600 series Singer Touch &Sew machines. The lousy ones that are available now are lacking any quality control entirely.
They closed them in the late 70’s.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 So true, I bought a # 640 that was literally never used. I wanted it for the solid state motor and power.. I broke the upper vertical gear the same day I got it. I ordered new gears and they were such junk, then after I popped the pin out for the vertical shaft, the new gear would not fit. I was also "Singer trained"..
Maybe 3D printing gear an option?
How do attach the knee bar so I can use the control and not the foot control
If the machine is in its original Singer cabinet, the foot control snaps into the bracket that’s mounted in the cabinet.
Tilt the machine back, look towards the front of the cabinet underneath, and if it has the knee control bracket, that’s where you’ll find it. 😎👍🏼
Another question, is, how do you remove the handwheel. I’m looking for a video now.
There’s a slotted screw that’s accessible by rotating the hand wheel and looking down from the top.
Remove the top cover screw and slide the top cover to the left to remove it.
You will see the screw just to the left of the end of the hand wheel as you rotate it.
Getting it back on, is an entirely different challenge.
Good luck. 🍀👍🏼
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 lol, and this is why I won’t keep the machine. I only bought it because it was $40 for the machine, the table and the chair. The table and the chair alone are well worth more than $40. Honestly after cleaning the gears off, they look extremely healthy. The feed dog that was funky and broken is out and I’ve got one on order, once I put it in there, I’ll get rid of the machine. Thanks for your answers….oh, and I’m not even going to mess with the handwheel. I thought I would just clean around there like I have with my slant o matics but then you can’t compare the two…
So…I am not going there..😂
@@rhondamercado7527 good decision. That hand wheel can be a chore to reattach. 😎👍🏼
Would you know why my singer touch n sew 758 the feeder dog doesn’t feed the fabric anymore I have to push the fabric to it?
Broken feed gears.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 thanks for your help
@@lucmenard1370 you’re welcome. Glad to help.
@@lucmenard1370 you’re welcome. Glad to help.
Me hubiera gustado ver la forma de desarmar y armar la parte de abajo de los piñones que dan movimento al garfio.
I’m sorry. I’m only fairly proficient at English. 😎
Ihave a singer touch and sew 758 . the feed dog is smooth can you tell me if i can put one in in or do i need to take it to some one .Ilive in murfreesboro tn . MAYBE YOU CAN REMEND SOMEONE
Just go online and get another set of feed dogs. It’s only two screws and it’s a pretty easy fix. You can do it.
Sewingpartsonline.com should have them. If not, try Amazon or eBay.
Thank you
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954
@@shirleyleonard3205 you’re welcome 😎👍🏼
Didn't care for the video. I've replaced gears on a few of the touch and sew 758 models and it is not difficult at all including the timing. Also it doesn't show that you have to cut a little piece off the machine to slide the shafts out. Sounds horrible but it's easy and is shown on other videos. Lastly, there is another way to change the belt without taking everything apart. You cut the new belt so it's not a closed loop, loop it in place and spice it together with pins, works great and not a big deal.
I appreciate your input. Every mechanic has their own tried and true methods and procedures. Mine originated by working at the certified warranty centers of the machine manufacturers and following their mandated processes. In 50 years, I’ve never had a failure of any system that I’ve repaired. Taking the “easy way” and inventing “shortcuts” doesn’t always bring the long term desired results a customer needs. I’ve redone many “jobs” that novice repair persons have foisted upon unsuspecting customers. You get paid, they get disappointed. I’m the guy spending twice as long repairing their machines to get them back to industry standards, after mechanics looking for an “easy buck”, scratch the shafts, strip the fasteners, and use JB Weld to attempt to “pull the rabbit out of the hat”. Good luck to you and your “customers”.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 I don't have customers. You put out a "how to" video that no one can follow because you left out the part where a fork needs to be cut. So your video doesn't help anyone. Like I say, you can't follow your steps and successfully change out gears. It helps no one. Other videos show that the fork needs to be cut and those are helpful videos. But you already know this.
@@mikethompson7987 did you come to my site looking for helpful advice or just be critical? I’m not the “be all” and “end all” for everyone. If you don’t care for my videos, don’t watch them. Easy peasy.
P. S. Have a nice day.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 people looking for help should get help. I was one of them. T&S machines aren't worth a lot and people will throw them out if they think a repair is too difficult or expensive and that is a shame when the repair isn't difficult. It's a shame if machines get tossed because an expert tells them this is too difficult when there are good videos out there that show how to do it. Fortunately for me, I found a helpful video after I watched yours and others that visit this site should know that too before they believe that it's too hard and toss their machine. It's bad advice some people will believe.
@@mikethompson7987 I agree, I already changed the gears on the bottom and was looking for how to do the belt. It wasn't helpful and I don't have the funds to just run and get mine repaired, even so, there aren't many places here either. Closest one is 3 hours away. I would love to fix it, but may end up parting it out at this point if I cannot figure it out.
You are very good at what you do but you waste too much time talking on one subject one item
I get that you’re not a fan, but why do you keep watching my content, only to find fault? I would offer you a “double-your-money- back” guarantee, but the only thing you have ventured is your time.
The purpose of my channel is to help folks with their sewing machine issues.
Quite often, I’ve spoken to someone on the phone, or by text, and they’ve asked me to help them with a particular problem that they’re having with their machine.
I’m just trying to offer a service, out of kindness, with a “thank you” for compensation.
I’m not sure I have anything on my channel that can help you.
I appreciate you watching, but I can’t please everyone. No one can. It’s not doable.😎
Didn’t like the video. Doesn’t show how to remove anything. Just shows you what he’s going to do and when the video comes up it’s all already done.
It’s not a “how-to” video.
If I inferred that I would be showing you how to completely disassemble and reassemble this machine, I’m truuuly sorry.
What my intention was, and still is, was to show how involved the process is and DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM ATTEMPTING TO DO IT YOURSELF.
I don’t know what your skill level is, but if you want to give it a try, be my guest. Have at it.
Sorry to disappoint you friend. I hope you can recover. 😎
You're talkin too much about the parts and your tools and you're not doing what you supposed to be doing picture is a thousand words
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