"I don't care I just want you to die" Holy shit. I knew that line existed in the game, I've heard it out of context from game files, but oh my god. Atton's voice actor did so fucking well.
@@DK_Vandaryn Mical: You've allowed this Kreia to twist your mind, until now... Until now, you've become the very thing you worked so hard to walk away from.
This was really dark for something that stemmed from jealousy. Aside from admiring certain things about Meetra, Mical really wasn’t romantically interested in her and Atton was too blind to see that. Also, his voice becomes eerily deadpan as he falls further under Kreia’s control, like he’s not even falling to the dark side but instead going into depression.
He was a perfect 3rd apprentice Sith for Kreia, nothing left for him but pain like Sion, and a hunger to prey on Jedi like Nihilus. When he's a light-sided ally for the Exile his "fool" character is just empty of depth and ridiculous
@@wolfpack95805 if the sith triumvirate were analogues of the extremes that sith can be if they focus entirely on a single aspect of their descent to the dark side (sion pain, nihilus hunger, traya betrayal), atton's dark descent focus could be the void grown from the grief and depression he continues to display under kreia's prodding
@@shaunmiller442 I can see where you’re going with that; Atton/Sion represent pain, Meetra/Nihilus represent hunger and Atris/Kreia represent betrayal.
Just like me when I got IP banned from Deadly Stream by the SH DV alliance!!!! How do I get IP unbanned from Deadly Stream? Do I have to be SH in front of DV? DV in front of SH? Or do I have to die? And then DV seduces us into thinking that I must not be interacted with. The next time DV blackmails me or anything else, I will one day overthrow him and SH, IP banning them from Deadly Stream as a form of revenge. Convince me that it is a bad idea and I will consider what you said.
I think it was a 'i respect you now' kind of manipulation by her, sinse she always calls him the fool, perhaps it's her way of calling him not foolish in what he's doing
Yeah that always stood out to me, I think that's a subtle hint to how she uses him because before she didn't really care about Atton and just thought he was a total idiot, which i mean she still does she just has use for him now lol.
You know Atton isn't his real name as early as Telos academy after being caged by Atris. the way "Kreia" (not her real name either) says his name there, after putting him to sleep tells you that it is not his real name. she puts weight into it when she says it after invading his mind in the cage, "Do not worry, ATTON, If she is a Jedi, she will forgive and if she is not, she will not care". I wonder if his name is an anagram or something else.
Bioware, be it under Microsoft or EA just have the unfortunate tendency to savage great games for crunch time. They wanted the game out for Christmas delivery so bad that Obsidian had no choice to put it out with it's holes. Still among one of the greatest RPGs ever.
@@sixela788 The blame as I've understood it was bioware but either one or both really. I just know Obsidian wasn't given the time they needed which is an unfortunate reoccurring theme for them.
@@j.mangum7652 Bioware was never directly involved with KOTOR 2. They decided to pass and work on their own projects, which is why Obsidian took it on. LucasArts (the publisher) rushed the development because they wanted that $$$ which is why so much was missing when it launched. This was a 100% a LucasArts fuck up, really their first step towards their eventual downfall (as they would pull this same move on their next big sequel project, The Force Unleashed 2)
I was never a fan of playing dark side in either of the games so I've never seen this or heard of this option being present from anywhere on YT till now. That's pretty crazy and the delivery on that last line
It's not about DS vs LS, it's about influence and also I think how you react to the reality that Atton killed Jedi. You can totally be Lightside and still refuse to forgive him for these acts. Jedi aren't perfect.
This game blows my fucking mind. I've been playing it since it was released and almost 20 years later I'm still discovering new cut scenes and dialogue options
I played this game constantly as a kid, going over so many routes, it being a buggy unfinished mess never bothered me that much; I didnt know Atton could be a jedi/sith though O-o that final line is amazingly well done
Visas is the hardest for me to lose influence with Atton I've made him a jedi multiple times with low influence but I think RCM always makes the companions choose your alignment.
I don't think I ever intentionally lowered companions influence. I've played this game a dozen times each light side and dark side, but I always tried to keep my companions on my side.
Jedi fear attachment, not emotion. Which was Atton's problem here. It's okay to love someone, but when it was clear the Exile didn't love him back, he should've learned to let go of his love for her
I wasn't able to make Atton a force user in my recent playthrough thanks to that disclaimer that says making him lose influence will trigger influence success. I've done it on previous playthroughs though
interesting, ive never played a female exile before and didn't know these scenes existed. hell, for a long time i didnt even know about the Disciple character joining you lol
First of all thanks for sharing these rare cut scenes, as most players would always go for more influence, rather than lowering it. Just to make sure to understand your very first statement: If you loose enough influence on a crew member, you can still have success e.g. for their training and making them Jedi/Sith? Or why would Atton have a lightsaber in the very last scene?
@@martyfromnebraska1045 Looks like I'm gonna have to play it again. But how does it work with negative or lowered influence, why would you get successful actions out of that?
Maybe it's just me and maybe I'm being an asshole, but this paints Atton in a very bad way. He is honestly one of the more impressive on the ship, when these jealousy games aren't going around
Yeah, these moments serve to show Kreia's skill at manipulation more than anything. Same level as Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin. Always did think those two were very similar in that regard.
Those two are more calm. Mical won't get jealous of Atton because he respects her choices so long as he feels they won't harm her. And Visas won't get jealous of Briana because she fears what might happens if he gets too attached to her.
As someone who is an Empire/Star Wars The Old Republic fanatic, I love this dark Atton. And yes, he's totally right when he says you get a taste for killing Jedi. :P
I haven’t played that version yet, but I think it might just be a cut scene. Because the screen always goes to black after they finish talking before the fight starts. I could be wrong though.
"I don't care I just want you to die"
Holy shit. I knew that line existed in the game, I've heard it out of context from game files, but oh my god. Atton's voice actor did so fucking well.
The only thing missing was a live version where Atton just lays Disciple flat with a single stroke or impalement
@@wolfpack95805 well 6 months later that last sentence was amazing he did it lol he immersed me
Atton: YOU TURNED HER AGAINST ME!
Mical: You have done that yourself
Lmao
Atton: YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!!!
@@KingShibe Mical: Your anger and your lust for power have already done that!!
@@DK_Vandaryn Mical: You've allowed this Kreia to twist your mind, until now... Until now, you've become the very thing you worked so hard to walk away from.
@@veeay-k8398 Atton: don't lecture me mical I see through the lies of the jedi I do not fear the darkside as you do
Also this fits eerily well
This was really dark for something that stemmed from jealousy. Aside from admiring certain things about Meetra, Mical really wasn’t romantically interested in her and Atton was too blind to see that. Also, his voice becomes eerily deadpan as he falls further under Kreia’s control, like he’s not even falling to the dark side but instead going into depression.
He was a perfect 3rd apprentice Sith for Kreia, nothing left for him but pain like Sion, and a hunger to prey on Jedi like Nihilus. When he's a light-sided ally for the Exile his "fool" character is just empty of depth and ridiculous
@@wolfpack95805 if the sith triumvirate were analogues of the extremes that sith can be if they focus entirely on a single aspect of their descent to the dark side (sion pain, nihilus hunger, traya betrayal), atton's dark descent focus could be the void grown from the grief and depression he continues to display under kreia's prodding
imo Atton, Meetra, and Atris represent the potential new Sion, Nihilus, and Traya
@@shaunmiller442 I can see where you’re going with that; Atton/Sion represent pain, Meetra/Nihilus represent hunger and Atris/Kreia represent betrayal.
"I Don't Care I just want you to die." That line was delivered so deadpan that it becomes dark comedy.
I was not ready for that after how the rest of the speech was delivered. Sounded like the VA was rushed to get that line in.
Atton: You turned against me!
Meetra: No, Atton, you turned against yourself.
If you are not with me...
Mical: Atton my allegiance is to The Republic- to Democracy!!
Great, now we can expect Battle of the Heroes to play during the Atton vs. Mical fight.
Just like me when I got IP banned from Deadly Stream by the SH DV alliance!!!! How do I get IP unbanned from Deadly Stream? Do I have to be SH in front of DV? DV in front of SH? Or do I have to die? And then DV seduces us into thinking that I must not be interacted with. The next time DV blackmails me or anything else, I will one day overthrow him and SH, IP banning them from Deadly Stream as a form of revenge. Convince me that it is a bad idea and I will consider what you said.
Anyone else get surprised Kreia called Atton by his name? She usually never does.
I wonder if “Atton” is his real name
You’ll notice it’s always in quotes when she says it. Kreia knows that it’s not his real name so the only time she says it is to mock him
I think it was a 'i respect you now' kind of manipulation by her, sinse she always calls him the fool, perhaps it's her way of calling him not foolish in what he's doing
Yeah that always stood out to me, I think that's a subtle hint to how she uses him because before she didn't really care about Atton and just thought he was a total idiot, which i mean she still does she just has use for him now lol.
Atton, my favourite Sith soldier
You know Atton isn't his real name as early as Telos academy after being caged by Atris. the way "Kreia" (not her real name either) says his name there, after putting him to sleep tells you that it is not his real name. she puts weight into it when she says it after invading his mind in the cage, "Do not worry, ATTON, If she is a Jedi, she will forgive and if she is not, she will not care".
I wonder if his name is an anagram or something else.
People have noticed that his name sounds like "Atone", but I'm not so sure.
Apparently he's Jaq. Haha, I can see why he doesn't call himself that.
i never knew this was in the game. thanks for sharing
Bioware, be it under Microsoft or EA just have the unfortunate tendency to savage great games for crunch time. They wanted the game out for Christmas delivery so bad that Obsidian had no choice to put it out with it's holes. Still among one of the greatest RPGs ever.
@@j.mangum7652 this wasn’t BioWare or EA it was Lucasarts, that rushed the game sadly
@@sixela788 The blame as I've understood it was bioware but either one or both really. I just know Obsidian wasn't given the time they needed which is an unfortunate reoccurring theme for them.
@@j.mangum7652 Bioware was never directly involved with KOTOR 2. They decided to pass and work on their own projects, which is why Obsidian took it on. LucasArts (the publisher) rushed the development because they wanted that $$$ which is why so much was missing when it launched. This was a 100% a LucasArts fuck up, really their first step towards their eventual downfall (as they would pull this same move on their next big sequel project, The Force Unleashed 2)
Me too.....
I was never a fan of playing dark side in either of the games so I've never seen this or heard of this option being present from anywhere on YT till now. That's pretty crazy and the delivery on that last line
Well, I played as LS female and somehow got this ending
@@yegor2letov Maybe you made a ds choice? Pretty sure you can still make the same bad choices even in ls
@@yegor2letov Too low influence with Atton compared to Disciple will lead to this.
Even on the Dark Side run and still he told off Kreia instead of went with her to Malachor. That's because influence will determine his fate.
It's not about DS vs LS, it's about influence and also I think how you react to the reality that Atton killed Jedi. You can totally be Lightside and still refuse to forgive him for these acts. Jedi aren't perfect.
This game blows my fucking mind. I've been playing it since it was released and almost 20 years later I'm still discovering new cut scenes and dialogue options
Dude thank you for making kotor2 content, i love to see it. please dive deeper into this game!
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
MICAL IS CULLEN! How have I never noticed??
That’s… really sad and depressing.
I played this game constantly as a kid, going over so many routes, it being a buggy unfinished mess never bothered me that much; I didnt know Atton could be a jedi/sith though O-o that final line is amazingly well done
Thanks for this, I had never seen these cutscenes before.
Do you know if losing influence with any other character affects them similar to Atton?
Define “similar”
@@eterenaljasonx
I mean whether they have any endings where they go with Kreia instead of with you.
@@armaan1091 No. It’s exclusive for Atton and Handmaiden
@@eterenaljasonx
Okay. Thanks for the response and the videos!
Visas is the hardest for me to lose influence with Atton I've made him a jedi multiple times with low influence but I think RCM always makes the companions choose your alignment.
I don't think I ever intentionally lowered companions influence. I've played this game a dozen times each light side and dark side, but I always tried to keep my companions on my side.
What a fun game. Mechanics were awesome
This is why jedi fears emotion but not dealing with it and ignore it also leads to another problem
Jedi fear attachment, not emotion. Which was Atton's problem here. It's okay to love someone, but when it was clear the Exile didn't love him back, he should've learned to let go of his love for her
Man, his turn is very similar to a certain killer obsessed with Cabbage
Irrily similar now that I think about it...
I wasn't able to make Atton a force user in my recent playthrough thanks to that disclaimer that says making him lose influence will trigger influence success. I've done it on previous playthroughs though
interesting, ive never played a female exile before and didn't know these scenes existed. hell, for a long time i didnt even know about the Disciple character joining you lol
Cool. I knew that tslrcm added this but did not know about handmaiden vs visas. Is there anything else like this that tslrcm adds?
so is your exile Dark side or light side? just curious since disciple is looking pretty evil and you have high influence with him.
Dark side, but main character’s alignment is totally irrelevant
@@eterenaljasonx hmm fair enough, thanks for reply
@@eterenaljasonx got another question for you lol... do you ever see who survives this encounter?
@@jakobwashington534 no, it doesn’t show
@@eterenaljasonx What about Kreia's predictions for their fate? Does it mention their future at all or is it unknown to her like with Bao-Dur?
First of all thanks for sharing these rare cut scenes, as most players would always go for more influence, rather than lowering it.
Just to make sure to understand your very first statement: If you loose enough influence on a crew member, you can still have success e.g. for their training and making them Jedi/Sith? Or why would Atton have a lightsaber in the very last scene?
@@martyfromnebraska1045 Looks like I'm gonna have to play it again. But how does it work with negative or lowered influence, why would you get successful actions out of that?
@@esportsgear you get influence successes with both extremely high and extremely low influence
yes if u have low influence they become the opposite alignment too
any day now, Aspyr!
It felt like michael wass tempting atton to the path of dark
Kreia made Atton the half jedi! 😂 This was actually pretty bad ass by Atton.
Imagine getting jealous of the gay friend.
KEK
Ayyy you’re playing this on mobile? How hard is it to install TSLRCM on iOS?
deadlystream.com/files/file/1801-mobile-restored-content-mod-mtslrcm/
Maybe it's just me and maybe I'm being an asshole, but this paints Atton in a very bad way. He is honestly one of the more impressive on the ship, when these jealousy games aren't going around
Yeah, these moments serve to show Kreia's skill at manipulation more than anything. Same level as Palpatine's manipulation of Anakin. Always did think those two were very similar in that regard.
And what happens after the fight with Atton and Disciple?
How did you get the Kreia/Atton dialogue from Peragus?
Even with TSLRCM I still didn't get most of this. How do you trigger all this?
Is it possible to have the Disciple get Jealous of Atton, or Visas of the Handmaiden?
No, judging by their personalities
Those two are more calm. Mical won't get jealous of Atton because he respects her choices so long as he feels they won't harm her. And Visas won't get jealous of Briana because she fears what might happens if he gets too attached to her.
As someone who is an Empire/Star Wars The Old Republic fanatic, I love this dark Atton. And yes, he's totally right when he says you get a taste for killing Jedi. :P
damn, i didnt get to this part in the game lol!!
So what happens if you try to talk to Atton after he goes completely against the Disciple.
The normal
I cared more about the supporting characters than the ACTUAL main character
Wait, are you controlling Mical in that fight, or Atton?
I haven’t played that version yet, but I think it might just be a cut scene. Because the screen always goes to black after they finish talking before the fight starts. I could be wrong though.
Um......
And the future?
I want to know😅
Can it happen with Brianna and vissas too
th-cam.com/video/ajUdtiJJR0M/w-d-xo.html
Is this mobile
It’s on my iPad
@@eterenaljasonx yeah I play pc so I was confused with the text font I didn’t know it got ported to mobile.
@@eterenaljasonx the mobile version canes with the tlsrcm
@@braiangabriel638 no
@@eterenaljasonx is it possible to play a save after downloading the mod or it's going to crash due to not being compatible?