The Exile Meetra Surik's Trial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2016
- Atris kept a record of the day Meetra Surik came before the Jedi council and was exiled for following Revan to the mandalorian wars. This record however shines a light on the fact that following Revan wasn't only reason she was exiled.
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1:36 "guardians of peace" - Were the Mandalorians being peaceful in their campaign?
2:03 "You refuse to hear us" "shut yourself from the galaxy" - Wasn't the galaxy asking for help against the Mandalorians?
I can see the hypocrisy Revan was so critical of
I think the Jedi here aren't as hypocritical as that. In their eyes, the mandalorians were simply the false front for the real threat, which they weren't wrong about. Plus, when they did go to war, they created more problems like Revan, Malak and the Sith Triumvirate.
The ideal course would have been to give partial support of the order and let Revan go out while keeping him under a semblance of control.
This is where they erred. They proved to be uncompromising and chose secrecy rather than openness. They weren't bad or even hypocritical, just wrong in their approach and very afraid of change. And reasonably speaking, the biggest jedi turned dark sider names in history all had been revolutionary style jedi. So soon after Exar Kun, the order sensed something was wrong.
They changed their hideboundness when they helped Revan again, but Nhilus killing them off changed all that.
I'd say that Revan never particularly hated the order. He just disliked the fact that they were choosing too much prudence over helping people immediately.
These jedi are victims of tragedy rather than fools. It's worth remembering how, for the most part, they would be willing to sacrifice themselves to just help others.
@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Interesting point
But with all due respect, the Jedi had no idea the Sith were involved with the Mandalorian Wars. If they did, they wouldn't have been so apathetic, or at least not as much. It was Revan who discovered the Sith's plot and determined that the Jedi as they were weren't ready to fight them
Also even though the Jedi were being cautious to not make more fallen Jedi, they're inaction still drew the ire of victims of the Mandalorian Wars, including the former Republic soldiers who would follow Darth Revan
@@TerminatorGundam300 I think they realised something was involved. Not particularly the sith, but something out there that was puppeting the events.
I think that that was less about inaction drawing ire compared to just Revan being super charismatic and popular to the extent where he as a concept became greater than the republic.
Again, I don't think they took the right approach. Just that they weren't really hypocritical or even strictly wrong about the consequences. They understood one bad result but didn't understand the consequences of their own.
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They were blind to the Sith because of their hypocrisy. The Jedi Masters were distant from the people of the galaxy they claim to be protecting, which allowed Malak and Revan to turn the opinions of the galaxy against the Jedi, even after Malak had fallen and Revan disappeared. And when Nihilus consumed Katar along with many of the Jedi Masters, the remaining Jedi Masters could not see him, Sion, or their former master because they were too dependent on the Force. They ignored people who needed their help while they waited for their enemies to reveal themselves, and countless died while the masters stood by and did nothing. While the Masters waited, the Mandalorians, Malak, and Nihilus destroyed entire planets and slaughtered countless. While the Jedi Masters refused to act until they were the ones being threatened. They were not protectors of anything but the Jedi Order itself. The apathy of the Jedi caused deaths because they chose to stand by and do nothing while people were dying, and that in turn drove others away from the Jedi and towards the Sith. Which in turn caused even more deaths when the next threat arrives and they ignore it until they are forced into action yet again. This cycle is why the Sith continue to exist and will continue to cause death and destruction throughout the galaxy while greater threats keep rising, until eventually one succeeds in destroying the Jedi and the Republic.
It's the core flaw of their teachings, that they rely too much on the Force and disconnect themselves from the people they're supposed to be protecting. How many planets suffered because the Jedi Masters waited too long to act? How many turned to the Dark Side because they learned to hate the Jedi? How many times has the galaxy been threatened because the Jedi allowed the Sith to rise to power? Much like how the Sith destroys themselves constantly through their own teachings, the Jedi teachings were ensuring that new Sith would continue to exist until they succeed in destroying the Jedi.
@@twinodoom It's easy to claim they were blind to the atrocities, but what's the way to avoid them? Would you rather all the Jedi fell like Revan and Malak due to the war?
They could not sense nihilus or sion because of the force? Non force users can't really sense them till it's too late either.
Malak and Revan didn't convince many but the military, they regularly glassed planets too.
If the Jedi all participated, they would all fall. Only their inaction saved the galaxy from a brutal reign. But since nearsightedness shows that they didn't help people, they didn't help people. It's due to their inaction that eventually, Malak, Sion Nihilus would all be beaten, and the jedi would rise again. They had their errors, but there was no clear alternative to their actions like people love to claim.
Seeing this after having beaten the game, its really surprising me how the other Jedi masters on the council are just straight up ignoring Atris who's basically calling for your head on a pike like a Sith would.
In Kreia’s words: Jedi arrogance.
They talk about the exile shutting herself but they didn't wanted to listen explanations,only apologies and the exile accepting that they were right
Worst Jedi council ever, they make Mace Windu look like the most reasonable man in history.
Idk. It feels like this Jedi Council was counselling against exactly the sort of foolhardy actions of the Jedi of Mace Windu when they rushed to war.
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The Jedi literally had no choice. The war was going on with or without them.
Sometimes, I wonder if the prequel trilogy should have even happened at all. It gave meme status to the Jedi because of how stupidly they were written. That’s why you keep things like that mysterious, as with the original trilogy because we didn’t know much about their Waze.
@@alexander9703 they have to save 2 members of their order and senator amidala
They have no chose but to jump right into war
@@mr.fantastic6568 so they can't free obi wan and anakin then go back into isolation?
Hell the only reason padme, obi wan and anakin were captured in the first place, was because they had those two investigate the attempt to assassinate padme. Why should jedi investigate an attempted assassination and not Republic law enforcement?
Rating this council from good to evil:
Kavar: I honestly kinda liked this guy. He shared the rest of the council's flawed beliefs, but I think he was the most polite in expressing his beliefs. "Forgive us, but it is necessary" is what he said when they tried to cut her off from the force. And his actions post-war were commendable and seemed to line up with the Jedi code. He helped win on Onderon by defending the queen rather than fight on enemy territory. I dare say he had much potential. He would have become Meetra's mentor if not for his duties to the council? If he were born in the Clone Wars era and been a part of that council, maybe his potential would have been put to better use. Which would have been awesome!
Vash: I commend her for sticking up for our Meetra and assuring she was not of the dark side, despite being part of the council's decision and informing her of such a conclusion. I'm not too sure she liked being the bearer of bad news. She also believes that Meetra should have been told what happened to her. Kinda glad they didn't though, since I really enjoyed the game that became of it. Too bad she went to Korriban and fell to the Sith before more could be learned about her... Wait, that sounds a bit like Revan, does it?
Zez Kai Ell: Among the more soft-spoken in the Jedi council, he even retired after the Exile was... well, you know by now. My problem with him is that he's quite the coward. He's by far the Jedi who has done the least for the world he has gone to... or at least for us. But just as well, he does admit to how the Jedi do have their weaknesses. He seemed to understand what Revan believed in. In the end, however, he thought Meetra had to be exiled and that the council had to prepare against the Sith. But considering she used the Mass Shadow Generator, which is kind of the Outer Rim equivalent to mega white phosphorus, I suppose he has a bit of a point.
Vrook: How did this codger escape the destruction of the Dantooine academy?? He's got to be an even bigger coward than Zez Kai Ell! Or maybe he was out getting groceries when it happened, who knows? But seriously, what bothers me about him is that he is overly harsh. Sure he admits that it's because he thinks the Jedi need to step up their game since the Republic is teetering on the edge of collapse, fair enough. But come on, guy! You thought that stepping up your game meant being intentionally captured?? Not to mention, you criticized Revan and the Exile for going into enemy territory, WHEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID TO PROTECT KHOONDA! If not for you and Atris, which we'll soon get to, maybe less Jedi would have joined Revan in his path to the darkside, and maybe Zez Kai Ell would've had a tougher time leaving. At least Vash and Kavar were compassionate! Hell, Vrook already told Meetra she didn't have much potential as a jedi LONG before her involvement with the Mandalorian Wars. Man, you're a dick. Then again, you are voiced by Ed Asner. And to be fair, he's a pretty awesome voice actor. If I were judging by voice acting alone, I think he'd be at the top. But in terms of bad morality, only one beats him out by a landslide, because at least Vrook did admit Meetra has potential after all...
Atris: I already did a mini-essay on why this bint is such a hypocrite in Papito's video A Darth Traya is Born, but to recap some of it, she is both the biggest coward and the biggest hypocrite among this council. Calling for death? Malak did just that. Going to war? Revan did just that. Hording Sith holocrons in a stupid attempt to use such knowledge against them? Not only is it insane, but your actions connected to them are very cowardly, because you made Echani handmaidens into pawns who couldn't feel the force and notice you were turning to darkside. And the Exile? You used her as bait, which you yourself admitted and felt no shame for. The sole saving grace is that in the end, she encouraged Meetra to save Telos, and finally realized the error of her rashness. But since the council never even went as far as she did in the first place, that's enough to consider her the most evil of this council.
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To me this is probably how it would have gone if the Jedi chose to stay out of the war in the prequel era. People still would have been pissed at them for abandoning the Republic while they were under attack just like how they got pissed at them for fighting the war against the CIS. Seems like they were screwed no matter which choice they made.
My suspicion is that in legends, the Emperor set the Clone Wars up knowing the jedi were still living under the shadow of the Jedi Civil War and would do anything to prevent that scenario from coming to pass
@@ninjaworld101 Its a basic headcanon but one I feel works out.
@Haljordan4life In legends it could be argued the jedi joined the Clone Wars to prevent another Revan style uprising by keeping control of the jedi that joined
@Haljordan4life It was a lose lose situation. If they did nothing they would be seen as letting the galaxy burn. Acting unfortunately had them play into the Emperor's plans. The Jedi certainly did have some hypocritical issues but I wouldn't say that made them corrupt really. They did try to put the needs of the galaxy first every time and even then I would say it was mainly the council that had those hypocritical problems. The majority of the Jedi actually were putting others ahead of themselves or trying to. Even the Jedi in the old republic games are still good, they're just so set in their ways.
I do think it's strange that people like to say the Jedi are as bad as the Sith.
CIS? Don't you mean Sith?
3 Jedi Masters, 1 Drunk Grandpa, And 1 Sith Master.
Who's the drunk grandpa? Vrook or Zez-Kai El?
@@thenintendogod9000 Zez-Kai definitely
One vampire lord, an old man with a house of balloons, and the rest of them.
3 Jedi Masters, 1 Sith Master, and Joe Exotic.
"How could you hope to understand the threat you faced, when you have never walked in the dark places in the galaxy?"
This is the worse Jedi Council, if they want peace then they must fight like Revan did.
Alex Ya and so they would have turned just like the revanchists...........You have learned nothing.........
What's the difference between the Jedi Council seen in the movies??? They are complete polar opposites of the same path... If Yoda's jedi didn't suddenly rush to war and took their time to asses the threat and meditate on the situation perhaps they would have seen the threat before it was too late..
It's all a matter of perspective.
Darth Maladi a much better order compared to the ones from the prequels and old republic. More open and believing in redemption rather than flat out denial and saving face.
Alex Ya
If they did they’d all fall to the dark side along with the rest of the jedi they know that the mandalorians were told to fight the republic by the sith the true threat
Also im refering the chris avellones version not swtor version
alvi syahri when?
Out of all of the Jedi here, only Atris, the betrayer, found it in her heart to forgive at the end. Vrook, Kavar, and Zez Kai El all turned on the exile and tried to strip him of the force. And they were all slain in the end. Only Atris was able to admit her wrongs and reconcile with the exile, and for that I will always admire her. The rest can burn.
Agree so much with this. Atris is a really underrated character in my opinion. When you meet her, she comes across as the sanctimonious bitch. But there's so much more to her, and her arc than say Bastila, and in the end she had meaningful reasons for why she regarded the Exile the way she did - that envy and a feeling of betrayal toward someone she admired greatly for doing something she was afraid of doing herself. And in the end she came to terms with everything she'd done, and made peace with the Exile. While the rest of the council who came across as more reasonable than Atris, where just blind to the truth, and unwilling to open their eyes as Atris had.
The Council die because Kreia cuts them off from the force, and they are unable to survive such a shock. Would be interesting to know whether Atris could have survived it, as the Exile and Kreia did.
Yeah, Atris is rather pitiable compared to those three.
Well, she did try to do even worse, but lost. If Exile fought and bested the three after they tried to kill the exile, i think they'd have seen truth too. But they went for a more nuetral path in the first place.
Frankly, I hate Atris, but you have a point. Zes actually admitted it too, but I have NO clue what made him agree to what he did...
@@mhiization Zes' motive was pretty simple. The exile was possibly an existential threat to the galaxy. From that perspective, it makes sense to do what he did.
Papito I believe this Jedi Trial is a very important thing to discuss about how the Jedi were ignorant of how their teachings were partially incorrect. “A Jedi’s life is not sacrifice.”
Its an ideal being turned into a culture. The Jedi believed they were true guardians of the peace. But they didn’t fully comprehend what they condemned. Kavar, Atris, and Vrook jumped the gun. And didn’t see how their own part was played by their own arrogance.
Everyone who believes they are holier than thou are often committed to corruption because true power corrupts truthfully. And they truly believed they were right. Even tho Atris bluntfully displayed a dark side expression at the trial. Nobody bats a fucking eye. The jedi literally were corrupted long before the jedi civil war, and long long long before the rise Darth Bane. The old republic is a pure example of jedi who always believed they were correct. To the point where corruption lay rampant and it was on their doorstep and they died realizing their own kind, “Kriea was a jedi” destroyed their foundations because. “She knew they were wrong.”
Lona Vash, Kavar, and Ez-kai-el are the ones who acknowledged the faults of the Jedi, but were clearly overruled. Kavar and Kai-el ended up deferring to Vrook, who is the worst. In deleted content, Vash was more supportive of the Exie.
So...when did Vrook Lamar get demoted from Coruscant Council to Dantooine Council?
Light Runner I think he chose to like zhar and the other masters as they taught revan
Probably not long after he suffered hair loss..😂
He was probably a member of the council, where he worked on the side as a leader of the Dantooine academy.
At that time, the Jedi were not as centralized and organized order as during the late old republic. The story of KotOR is based upon the Knights of the Old Republic comics from the 90s which predate Episode 1. The expanded universe authors imagined the Jedi more like individualistic champions than a religious order of monks. They were more "knights". They could start learning at a later age (like Luke), could marry and have children sometimes (e. g. story of Nomi Sunrider). They had multiple academies like Ossus, Dantooine.
Wookiepedia describes the Dantooine Council as essentially a subcommittee of the High Council, whose members would generally sit on both councils. Kinda like how in governments, Secretaries or Ministers sit in the Cabinet, and also sit on a subcommittee of their department with their junior ministers.
Jedi Order: You have completed your jedi training.
Card: *declines*
Jedi Order: 2:18
Exile: MLM ass cult
In my head Vrook was always the embodiment of what is adversary in the game - the dogmatic, arrogant ignorance.
For all his preaching he is extremely inflexible and closed off from re-evaluating his convictions in face of evidence.
The only redeeming thing about him is that he is voiced by Ed Asner.... Wait, what?! Ed Asner in a Star Wars game? And Tom Kane, the Cartoon Network announcer is Kavar?? And they also got Grey DeLisle as one of them??! Holy Sith!
Vrook: NO NO! SHUT UP! YOU ARE SITH!!
You know if you look in first person using force sight, Vrook is noticeably less in tune to the light side than Kavar and Zez-Kai
And this is why Great Jedi Purges are a thing... be grateful such moments are rare in number.
I find it hilarious to go back to the people who exiled you and essentially say "Ya'll weren't shit, and ya'll still ain't shit."
Kotor 2 really is the best game ever
I get that they were waiting for the Sith to play their hand before working to counteract their motives. But Revan had the right idea of seeking them out in the end. Additionally, if the Sith did reveal themselves in a galaxy completely damaged by the Mandalorians, they would've claimed the galaxy without resistance. Participation in the Mandalorian Wars was the only answer that would've allowed the Republic enough time to hold against the Sith.
"Closed to us, the Galaxy" God I hate Jedi, always so full of themselves and dealing in absolutes. . .
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" - Obi-Wan
@@99bulldog yeah, Not exactly a smart sentence ^^;
It is mostly the Council, not they jedi as a whole.
I'm always intrigued by this plot time and time again and what it all means. Kavar says that perhaps when she returns they can explain how she "may be healed." But in the game they just try to cut her off from the Force again, they never explained to her how to heal, demonstrating that they never knew how to heal her.
Well they know why you lost the Force. From their perspective "healing" is regaining your abilities with the Force. By the time you find them, you already did that.
@@PapitoQinnIn this council meeting, ten years prior, it seems like they know a very specific method for healing her and reconnecting her to the Force and WANT her to pursue that path. But the healing she gains (from Force bonds) is a threat to them since they literally try to cut her off from the Force and say that she is "siphoning energy. The path she uses to heal herself clearly wasn't the one they were thinking because they are mystified when they see her; they even mention they STILL don't feel the Force with her even though she wields it. Thematically, it's fascinating, because she is clearly an outlier. I'm just curious what their conventional healing path back to the Force would have been, what they would've explained to her.
1:34 he said it!!!!
Revan and his Jedi were in the right. Because at least they fought to bring peace to the Galaxy and wanted to stop people from dying. They didn’t hide themselves away like the rest of the Jedi did.
And they all fell to the Dark Side and slaughtered more people than the Mandalorians ever did. Good job, Revan and his Jedi.
This was my trail i was once a soilder,and leatned to live without the force.then i became a jedi later on one of the best.
Atris no es precisamente la que puede juzgar a ningun jedi.
She brought truth, wisdom, and you condemn it? THE
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Kavar = Cin Drallig = Wulf Ularen = Imperial officer from SWbf II. A very familiar voice.
I don't get it
Why cut and make shorter the trial? It says so many interesting things about the game
Because they couldn't program it all into the game, unfortunately.
I wish we could get a tv series about the Mandalorian wars.
At this point I kinda wish we could get anything about the Mandalorian wars.
Not under who currently owns the franchise. They can and will find a way to revise and override what the EU was before they got their hands on it.
@@PapitoQinn we have Kotor comics, they are pretty great
The Jedi Council fooled themselves. They wanted to believe they were just, and that they made hard choices from the war against the Sith that ensured the survival of the Order, even at the cost of some compromises. But we see the truth here in front of us, that they were always like this, long before the Sith wars came. Closed-minded, judgmental, resentful, and some of them even full of hatred. And the ones that tried to do right, like Masters Vandar and Vash, died for their efforts because the rest of the Order would not stand with them. The cowards, the worms like Vrook, Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar survived by abandoning the Jedi Code and desperately clinging to a selfish and bitter existence, even as they deluded themselves into believing they were still Jedi - the only TRUE Jedi.
I felt the force so strong that day
Well, they were wrong and right at the same time. Revan and jedi who followed him all died or turned to the dark side. Something similar happened during Yuuzhan-Vong War when 2/3 of Luke's Order led by Kyp Durron followed path, similar to Revan's, however, Luke was wiser and less passive than this council, he fought Yuuzhan-Vongs as well and his leadership prevent most of the jedi from turning to the dark side. Eventually, Luke and Kyp both learnt from each other.
I thought being guardians of the galaxy they protect the galaxy? Not letting it being taken over.
But this was total warfare. The experience would have changed them. The Jedi fear change.
@@PapitoQinn well, if Jedi are guardians who fears change, than I understand why so many people hates them on Dantooine. They would've sit in their Anclave and meditate until Mandalorians broke the door of Jedi Anclave and killed everyone. And left ruins on Dantooine. Thanks to Revan, Malak, Meetra, Arren Kae and many Jedi who also went on war, to actually be "guardians", as Jedi call themselves, it never happened. And all they do is pass judgements on those who actually defended Republic and innocents, while they were sitting in their Master Jedi robes, doing nothing.
@@z483gk Being "guardians" mean not making things worse for the galaxy. And Revan and his Jedi quite literally created far more bloodshed and war as a result of their actions. Revan is like America in Iraq; "fixing" the issue but making it worse for everyone involved.
In that way, the Jedi Council was 100% in the right to judge Revan and his peers for being braindead lunatics just jumping into war acting like heroes.
Their job is being peacekeepers, not warriors. That was the mistake the Clone Wars era Jedi made.
@@stephenjenkins7971 You know, there is old saying that "if you want Peace, be ready for the War". If some people break in your house, you would not sit and let them kill your family and take everything, because you want "peace in the galaxy". People don't want to hear from you tales about "peace". They want peace right here, right now. They don't want to lose their families. And Jedi Council did nothing to stop the war. That's why people on Dantooine hated Jedi. Because instead of protecting their lives and their families, all they hear is "we must wait".
@@z483gk You're comparing the Mandos invading a galaxy-wide state to someone invading your house? That's such an absurd comparison since the scale is broken. More to the point, despite being aligned with the Republic, the fact is that they are NOT the Republic and only help it; so its not their house nor are they obligated to defend it.
They do so anyway to maintain the peace; but they sensed that there was more to the Mando invasion than meets the eye. And it turned out they were right.
Literally every Jedi that went to war became a Sith; whether due to the war or due to the True Sith beyond. If the entire Jedi Order went; the galaxy would be screwed.
This is outrageous and unfair!
The original Sith teachings were created by fallen Jedi. Intentional or not, their arrogance time and time again that only the light was the true nature of the force brought nothing but destruction. These fallen Jedi fled, becoming enemies of the order and returned to wage war against the republic throughout the ages.
Depending on the Lore, the Jedi themselves don't view themselves as followers of Absolutism.
If you want a comparison to how ignorant orders and civilizations become by forgetting or losing knowledge and believing in an all encompassing truth. Look to the following three.
Spoilers ahead.
The Elves of Dragon Age who believed that Humanity destroyed their civilization and enslaved them. In truth the Elven fought and destroyed themselves and Humanity simply took slaves from a weakened people. Their own kind treated them as slaves in ways far worse than Humanity and knowledge of their facial tattoos and their meaning became lost to time. Slave Markings, not Marks of Adulthood.
Legends: A lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. The original lightsaber technology came from the first force users that relied exclusively on the Dark side. The Rakata of the Infinite Empire. The blades that could only activated by channeling negative emotions. The Jedai'ii order who promoted balance between the two, not a single viewpoint.
The Forerunners of Halo who believed they had inherited their ideology and purpose as caretakers and custodians from the Precursors. The truth was that Humanity and the Forerunners were created and the Precursors decided Humanity was to inherit the Mantle. The forerunners after wiping out their ancient creators down thousands of generations forgot that they were not given anything. They stole it, and they brought ruin upon the galaxy from the reanimated amalgam hordes of the Flood.
So moral of the story?
Don't assume you know anything. Even if someone tells you something that they have been told. They have been told it by someone else who has heard it or been told by someone else. Details are lost, left out, or altered.
Am I the only one who finds Master Vash completely badass?
The other Council Members: Dantooine, Teeelos... Lonna Vash: fricking Korriban.
At first glance, she pulled the shortest end of the straw here. But it is for sure intentional, and Vash took the fight right to the Sith's face.
Such a shame 90% of her content was cut from the original KOTOR II, but everybody plays with the Restored Content Mod + M4-78 so that's redeeming. For detailing, without the 2 mods you stumble upon her corpse on Korriban, Darth Sion having killed her, and that's how Wookieepedia lists her death.
I personally found her arc haunting, and its a shame she, in spite being the most hands on in the Dark Wars out of them all, failed to _see_ , just as they did.
I've actually never played wit the M4-78 mod.
What does the mod do?
Turns out this Council was just being manipulated by a Sith Lord/Emperor (Vitiate) just like the Prequels Council (played like a fiddle by Sidious); unable to see the big picture. Separatists or Mandalorians, Anakin or Revan, it doesn't matter: a Sith Lord was behind everything.
I doubt they weren't manipulated by Vitiate. They have foreseen that joining the war would be a mistake for them and they were right, since all jedi who followed Revan either died or turned to the dark side. If they had joined the war, then there would be no jedi to fight Darth Revan and then Darth Malak.
This is why i opposed the jedi. And why i chose the light but not the jedi.
Same here. I was even a Light Side Sith in the MMO.
@@WillieManga i love force storm. That was the only sith power i used and used jedi powers for bonuses and healing. Consular at heart plus i love force powers and green.
How come it’s all in blue? In my copy, this scene is always in normal colours.
I've had it in normal colours too. But I've also had it in the recording blue. It's weird.
James Samson pretty sure it depends on what you pick as your lightsaber color before; if you say that you don't remember, then it's in blue like a security camera
That makes sense.
If I'm not wrong, the blue "recorded" version was intended to be the original one, then they scrapped the idea and made it with regular colors. However the Restored Content mod brings again the recorded blue one as intended.
Kudos to Lonna Vash for being the only reasonable Jedi there that day. 👍
She still agreed to the Exile sentence though.
@@PapitoQinnto be fair, they did nuke a whole planet
The Jedi may serve the light, but don’t mistake that as all of them being good people
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I like to think the exile did get married and had a husband for a time during her exile, rather than just wandering the galaxy aimlessly.
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She fell in love with atton di’t she
Junaki Begum Atton loved her, she friend zoned him.
I also trained balaya
I wonder who was the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order during that time ? .. 🤔
Fae Coven ? No, no, no ... this is thousands of years before her time..
Satele Shan ? 🤔
I wonder too. It was never indicated, not even in KoTOR 1.
I believe Satele is grandmaster in a later period
I checked Wookieepedia, and it doesn't say who was Grand Master at the time. However the most recent person to hold the position was Nomi Sunrider, a veteran of the Great Sith War and a main character in the "Tales of the Jedi" comic book series. She became Grand Master c. 3986 BBY, but it is never established when her term ended. Surik's trial occurred in 3959 BBY, and the events of the game occur eight years later in 3951 BBY. It is possible, although unlikely, that Sunrider was Grand Master at the time of the trial, but she likely would have perished in the Sith's purge of the Jedi. Satele Shan became Grand Master at some point between 3653 BBY, when the Treaty of Coruscant was signed, and 3645 BBY. She was given the honor due to her heroics in the Great Galactic War and her rediscovery of Tython, the birthplace of the Jedi Order. Fae Coven became Grand Master after the conclusion of the New Sith Wars and the Ruusan Reformations in 1000 BBY, and would serve until sometime after 896 BBY. The next known Grand Master after her is Yoda, and we all know about him.
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Good thing I always played a sith in this game
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There is seriously NOTHING i like about atris. God i hate her so much in this game
She's a bad person, sure. But she's a good character. She served her purpose of showing what the Jedi teachings can produce very well.
@@PapitoQinn true. But she shows how arrogant and self-assured the jedi can really be
@@PapitoQinn Indeed. She serves as a lesson on what happens when you let anger guide your actions.
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The Jedi are the worst. No wonder 75% or so of the previous Sith lords were former Jedi who were smart enough to venture out and leave that shithole group...Team Sith for life.
All they did was swing over to another extreme.
Papito Qinn. True
Neither Sith nor Jedi are right in their beliefs. A true user of the force would walk a middle ground of both ideolgys and utilize the power and knowledge from both sides
I would argue that even taking the middle ground is flawed. The Force simply is and the Jedi and Sith have sought to categorise it, to take the middle ground between the two extremes is to acknowledge those dogmas still. The wielders of the Force should shy away from joining these massive organisations, as they lose their individuality to the Jedi or Sith code, and form their own individual philosophies.
It's like in reality, you can choose to be Left Wing, Right Wing, a Centrist, a Christian, a Hindu a Muslim etc...these different philosophies can help you find yourself but many simply pick a team that shares most of their values and instead of questioning the values they don't hold they simply adopt them because that's the team they've chosen. That's how you get endlessly repeating conflicts, both in reality and in Star Wars. Learn from existing philosophies, but don't surrender your individuality to them.
Team Xendor. Fuck the Jedi, but also fuck the Sith for being psychotic, paranoid dictators 99% of the time.
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The jedi were all dark side
In all but name.