Can Asus Redeem Themselves With This Pre-Built?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
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WOAH, an anti-cat power button, i legit want that locking feature.
its a "anti-me" too. Can't believe I turned off my PC trying to find the USB ports more than one time.
Same, I absolutely need that thing.
you could just disable the power button in the control panel tho
i was like anti-cat? then i remember my cat turns my pc off like once a day
Yeah that's exactly what it is. My old HAF X had one in the form of a sliding power button cover. I occasionally made the mistake of not using it and always regretted it.
As a cat owner, I legit wish more PC cases had that power button lock slider! I imagine it would be handy for people with small children too!
I'd definitely like to see how much you can improve the CPU performance with upgraded cooling, overclocking, etc....
pretty sure VRM would appreciate it
I agree, at a minimum I'd like to see a test with upgraded cooling. I'm sure there's some potential for better performance.
U can't oc. It's a locked CPU and probably a locked Mobo
Remove side panel, point cheap Chinese fan and voila :D
It's not a K sku CPU so there is no overclocking but a better cooler might still improve performance by a few percentage points.
You know you've been watching this channel for a long time when you automatically know what Dawid is excited about when he opens up the case and you see two RAM slots populated lol
well it's about time dude
and cheap people wanting to buy that system are also excited about that feature
omg I was the exact same, as soon as his voice sounded excited I knew 😂
@@HD_Heresy yeah most prebuilt systems come with single channel ram and if you want a prebuilt no bs and dual channel this system will excite you since I built my own system I may not be excited but other are enjoy
Every time Dawid flips the box over to get the PC out, he makes me feel like I open things wrong.
From my perspective, I imagine that the locking feature is probably to minimize the possibility of human error during heavy loads or workflows. For instance, with this being marketed as a pro-machine, one could very well imagine that users may either choose to use it to render 3D scenes, video files, or whatever else that may sometimes take hours. Therefore, in these cases, I'd imagine that having anything that could turn off the machine during these times, by mistake, would be really annoying. As such, having a locking feature doesn't seem that weird since human error/ random knee-jerking moments can happen that could cause a lot of time to be lost.
one can just disable the powerbutton in windows
@@youridv not as convenient as flicking a switch.
@@youridv also doesn't disable holding down the button to force shutdown
I have a cat, so I get the need for a power button lock.
True, also sometimes something falling down may trigger a button leading to a shutdown, which may lead to catastrophies like corrupted saves, or even make you go back a lot in progress. Imagine finishing a full room design for your project just to go back to designing the floor. I'd kill that pc instantly
I swear, PC manufacturers are the experts at taking something that could be awesome and making it less-than-mediocre. When I saw the push-pin CPU cooler, I knew things would not go well.
I rate this a "ProArt Loser Suck-Face Edition / 10" and I wouldn't charge more than $1299 USD for it.
Great video as always Dawid!
I guess installing a rear 92mm Noctua fan and an NH-U9S would benefit both temps and performance
It’ll definitely help temps! Performance won’t get much better than the XTU tweaking I did. I did a video on this with a Dell prebuilt a while back.
The lock for the power button is very thoughtful tbh, the nzxt H510 flow, has the power button right next to the headphone jack, and at times, I accidentally push the button trying to remove the headphone jack, or the ctype cable of the SSD.
I think a 500 watt psu for an 11700 and 3060 is perfectly fine. The cpu cooler and mobo could be improved though, for productivity that would really burn.
Yes, but it's only enough. Any real upgrades and you'd be better off with a new system
@@stephen1r2 yeh, but if you are buying a prebuild, that comes with a (dead platform) 11700, I'd say you aren't upgrading anyway. And you probably have enough headroom for a 250 watt gpu in future so there is still some way to go.
Both fair points.
3:04 I actually had this problem on one of my PCs I built a while back that sat under my desk, and the buttons on the case were very easy to push, so I took some metal hardware and made my own metal casing around the power button so I wouldn't accidentally press it anymore. Was removable of course, but as a person that had this problem, I'm glad it exists on at least one case.
A option is to remove the power button completely from the board and run a costumer start cable somewhere safe next time.
If you got access to the rear easily you just string cables out of the PCIE bracket ventilation holes and use a switch or whatever button one wants hanging out back. Just buy or sacrifice something old and solder some wires together. The most basic soldering that anyone ho can be trusted with a oven/stove should be able to do! At worst one can just tape it.. Your supposed to cover the soldering anyways with tape/wrap so. But no solder it.
Anyone really worried about the start button should run there own start button solution and avoid problematic case buttons. The hardest part is knowing what cables to remove on the board. That is the hardest part really. I find it really funny how streamers and what not get owned by there cat or there own doing!
This machine has one purpose - for businesses to purchase in mass, specifically medium - large businesses that need machines for entry level CAD employees. From a consumer prospective this is an awful deal, but to a business it's just a necessary cost when similar "professional" systems cost essentially the same.
That power button lock is a godsend to people with cats or little kids. Turn the system on, lock the power button and don't worry about an errant finger or paw shutting you down in the middle of a game...er...I mean project.
Ah yes, the professional tax. A comparable (arguably better, because it won't thermal throttle) system can be put together for about $1050 usd (or $1200 with a windows 11 pro license). A $600 build fee for a highly compromised PC is unacceptable. Asus doesn't realize that the gpu shortage is over, apparently.
Apple set the standard for the “pro” surtax many years ago, everyone else is just playing catch up. It takes a special set of sheep to think a $20 upgrade in hardware is worth $200.
@@theoneneo5024 Upgrade ? What are you talking about ? If I want an upgrade I just buy a new Mac !
Costco US is selling (as of writing) an Dell XPS with i7 12700, RTX 3060ti for like 1400 dollars, and it has 16gb of RAM (unsure if dual channel or not) and more storage to boot
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@@mcslender2965 Except Dell’s consumer line of PCs is trash tier in terms of OEMs. The only company that is worse when it comes to proprietary BS is Apple, who can unfortunately get away with it because it’s Apple.
I actually like the look of the case! It could have been built better, but after browsing some online parts stores, I really appreciate the restrained look that apparently isn't worth stocking anymore
$1300-$1500. Older tech.
Charging you that much for it, AND throttling performance, SHOULD be a crime.
Sheep need to be fleeced :D
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My expected answer: No
Edit: actual answer: No
Wow, Dawid opening up that case gave me flashbacks to 2001. That is one seriously old, low-end case design used by garage-operation PC assemblers 20 years ago.
As someone who has handled a few, 2001 era cases look absolutely nothing like this. The vast majority of cases with bottom-mounted PSUs are no more than 5 years old (the first ones date to the late 2000s, e.g. the Fractal Define R2 came out in 2009), and PSU shrouds are an even newer phenomenon. Oh, and 20 years ago you could consider yourself lucky if you got space for an 80 mm exhaust fan - ventilation was unbelievably lacklustre at the time (mind you, a 35-43 W CPU was considered toasty). My first bigtower case in 2000 took an 80 mm intake and zero exhaust fans!
I put the innards of my 2012 office PC into a ca. 2006 Asus prebuild micro tower at one point (it had housed a low-end P4 system originally). The PSU is top-mounted, of course, ventilation opportunities are OK for an office box (92 mm exhaust, 80 mm intake), and build a fair bit more substantial than the newer rather lightweight tin box still. With some more recent upgrades, the thing is completely inaudible under normal light loads... nice little sleeper.
I'm more worried about the VRM on that motherboard. If you upgrade the cooler to a tower that mobo's getting cooked.
That is a very losery VRM on that motherboard, and I have to imagine it's at least partially responsible for some of the performance issues you're seeing here. Asus Prime motherboards with no VRM heatsinks shouldn't be used with i7 processors. You'd think Asus would know this since they made the dang thing!
I have an i7 11700 with a motherboard that allows it to draw more power with better cooling that allows it draw over 100 watts running at like 4.6 - 4.8 GHz when playing games.
Great video bro, I always appreciate your opinion on the power button. Lol. Keep up the good work.
I’m glad you appreciate it. A power button is an important thing. 😃
I feel like if you flash the bios somehow stick any beefy cooler on that thats a really promising build
Thr price though...the system is actually worth about half the price..
For that price point there should have been room for a decent third party CPU cooler.
That lock would be a lifesaver. I cant tell you how many times my cat has jumped on top of my PC and shut it off mid game. I resorted to setting it to do nothing in Windows now when pressed to turn off.
I heard that once linus said great wall is one of the good oem psu manufacturers
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Yes lock for cats not turning the computer off while you're on it LOL that was a great one
3:08 that lock is to stop your cat from powering off your computer when it jumps onto your desk
7:30 also being a non k cpu, it's actually technically overclocked as it's supposed to be running at 2.8GHz
Every Intel CPU has super variable frequency and boost and whatever.
I have have a 12700F with a rated frequency of 2.1, which'll boost to 4.9 on heavy loads and go down to 800mhz on low utilization. Rated frequency actually doesn't mean much because CPUs will never run at that, they overclock themselves all the time.
Overclocking is kinda dead except for super high end shit, because Intel and AMD already push their CPUs to their frequency limits with boost n shit.
@@xavierrodriguez2463 it is still considered out of specs (overclock) if it boosts outside of it's spec boost window
Like if you were to pair your 12700 with a low end motherboard, it will be clocked down to it's official specs, because a lot motherboards applies overclocks to the non k cpus, to make them match-ish the k series (still limited by the max power draw of 125W but why would you want to fry your cpu anyway)
Dawid: "... oh it locks power button, for whatever reason..."
Desperate parents: Kids!
The power button lock is actually something all cases should have, think about it. I have a smaller brother for an example and he LOVES all the buttons on my pc and likes to press them all the time! Now, while i am gaming or if i have just shut off the system, he likes to come in and press the button so that my pc would shut off, its quite irritating at times, i wish i had that lock!
I mean who doesn't like pressing random buttons 😂
@@Softieissoft Exactly! 😂
As someone with a pc case with a top facing power button and cats, that lock is a wonderful idea
“Made for serious adult works”
Yeah you tell em Dawid! 🤣🤣
Putting that up against the Mac Studio would be like putting up me against Kingpin in extreme overclocking.
The case looks nice. Maybe an gold ProArt logo at the side with some more small mesh ventilation would be better
Dawid I don’t think you will believe me, my prebuilt came with 32gbs of ram in duel channel running at its fastest speed
The best pre-built you can buy isn't a pre-built at all unless you count yourself then that's the best one. I do like the anti oops power button lock.
I was waiting for you to upgrade the cooler as usual 😂
looks pretty sleek and modern. 12 year old me would've hated it due to the lack of a window and RGB vomit. but now at the ripe old age of 14, I can appreciate the understated and mature nature of systems like this.
Greatwall actualy makes psu's for Corsair so it should be fine
The lock button on the power button is actually such a good idea, because I always accidentally press the reset button or power button when trying to find a port.
Replace the cpu cooler and see if you can add some fans in the front for intake and retest it. Maybe an aio for cpu cooler on front of case with some fans too. But yeah way too expensive considering you get gimped out of the gate.
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I like the power switch lock. I’ve put my system to sleep before accidentally while fumbling with adjacent USB in low light.
That cooler felt like an ice cube on lava.
The USB ports looked dusty and the GPU screws had rust. It either needed a few more of those anti-rust sheets or this thing is a customer return
No Quadro? At that price?
How long has it sat in warehouses anyway
I recently tried to do some video-editing with my PC that had a gtx 1070.
My guess was 2000 USD, you pay a premium for the word pro put on stuff. I think the industry expectation is that a lot of people in that pro market would buy it over the same specs in a gaming pc that costs less. I do like that its not "dell-ified." Two sticks of ram and a non proprietary motherboard/case are extra marks these days.
3:05 Those are to keep your children/pets from pushing the power button and nuke a whole days worth of work. My father said I used to do that A LOT as a baby 😂.
I wonder what kind of premium price is asked for the "proart" label, as it literally is just a budget gaming computer with a no-airflow case and 32gig ram set.
Rule of thumb is always, don't buy branding names. Buy specific models. Their proart screens are indeed good, but that doesn't mean anything with the proart branding slabbed onto it is magically going to offer anything good.
The anti-cat locking of the power button is a major plus though, more companies should include such a nifty feature! good on you Asus!
The keybord is based on the Germany version , see the shape of the "Return" key
Dawid, can we get an ewaste peripheral tier list and also, what do you do with the all the extra mice and keyboards you get with the prebuilts¿
I kinda just want that case, that’s a really nice looking case spare the cheap side panel.
Great Wall makes tons of PSUs for OEMs. Great Wall branded PSUs aren't necessarily bad.
Not sure if this can be revisited or used for anyone having thermal/ performance issues on these ASUS prebuilts but I had the same issue with a prebuilt I bought with an 11700f. The PC had a standard ROG Strix B560-G Gaming wifi motherboard. I switched cases and upgraded coolers and even with a 360 aio it would throttle. For whatever reason it had a weird bios specific to the prebuilt that was not listed on ASUSs website and could not be flashed through standard methods. It was pumping way too much voltage to the CPU and limiting boost frequencies no matter what I changed. I used a CH341A programmer and clipped it to the bios chip and flashed the OEM bois to the board and never had an issue since. It was a bit of a challenge but would be interesting to see Dawid try it.
dang, why do i love that case so much, seriously id buy it if it wasnt oem.
please upgrade the cooler with an overklock and see how that goes
love your work dawid fantastic video style
Didn't show off the light bars! I really wanted to see those. XD Legit the only properly interesting thing about this system. Well aside from the locking power button I suppose! I know several artists that would LOVE that feature.
You should test the r9 350 it is on eBay for 20 dollars
Yes! locking power button for cats is a great feature!
Was that rust on the screws holding the graphics card in place?
it definitely looks like the Volatile Corrosion Inhibitors were not working
"Pro" or "Gaming" for a computer always makes me feel the same as when I see "Tactical" on a weapon accessory : It's the same shit, but with some added costs... 🙄
the power button lock wow
10:21 it sounds exactly like my camry 😂😂😂😂
the nvme might be gen but its a intel 660p i think so its not gona die anytime soon
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This is some Professional throttling.
Bought a B650 board out of a Asus pre-built with an 11700. It came with that exact same RAM and craptastic cooler. And yes, that cooler is even worse than it looks. As for Great Wall, they make the Corsair SF series SFX PSU's, and they're pretty good. I'm guessing that PSU is probably not their best work as I'm sure Asus gave them specs and they made what they could around them. If it's a crap PSU, blame Asus. They're no Super Flower or Seasonic, but I wouldn't called Great Wall "not great" PSU OEM.
The Corsair TX Gold Series are actually rebranded Great Wall E Series, and both are A tier on LTTs PSU list.
You could do a video of an empty box and I'd still love it if it was sponsored by Linode.
Groovy tunes, cool cat!
Would a beefer power supply let it work better?
Thanks!
3:05 That's more for people who'd run long rendering/compilation sessions overnight
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That's a shocker of a price!
Did u install gaming driver not the studio one which i assume comes with
Man, *right up until* the price... This was firmly in my "recommended prebuilt gaming PC" camp even with the abysmal cooler & out of box ramping just because of the fact it *is* an upgradable platform and doesn't come with OEM proprietary connectors.
That price hurts it's prospects though. A lot.
Light bars sold me too, are the rgb 🤣🤣🤣
Looks like a Dell from the early 00s, but modern parts and styling.
I think it's possible to spec out a similar but slightly better system for around $1500 USD (sans Windows, after sales taxes).
Something like a i7-12700F, a 3060, 1TB gen 4 NVME, 32 GB DDR4 RAM and a ~650w PSU from a known brand.
Or a prebuild like the Lenovo IdeaCentre 5 which has similar specs but a 12th gen i7, half the RAM and a 512 GB SSD which I've seen for $1000 USD.
I low key like the case
That CB20 is lower than a 6 core zen 2. Crazy.
these prebuilds really gotta step up their mobo game. at least some sort of heatsync around the cpu would be nice. for 2300 id expect at least a 10gb ethernet connection or like more than a couple usb ports. maybe Bluetooth idk.
Did the lights at the front actually do anything to show cpu and gpu performance? Or just pretty lights?
ASUS used a doll house fridge as a pc case.
I swear that is the exact cooler i used to cool my core2 quad 😭
2300 seems like a lot, but come on, it has a lock for the power button. That's worth at least an extra 1200-1500. Sold. Ship it to me immediately.
On a serious note the jet turbine I think is actually the GPU. I run an EVGA 3060TI XC and it does the same thing just for a few seconds at start up. It's very weird, cause if I max out the fan manually it never makes that much noise, but yeah I think it's just the GPU fans doing some weird max RPM at start thing.
Check out dells pre built pro systems next
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No CPU cooler change ? Or PSU ? :( Great video
Is the ram running at 3200 mt/s out of the box because the XMP profile was properly activated, or is it bottom of the barrel JEDEC 3200 CL22 ram?
Running Jedec ram in a professionnal environment would absolutely make sense for stability reasons, but still
can i ask in your add spot there was a clip of someone using a keyboard on top of their laptop that was on a desk can you please explain where you found that clip
Holy smokes! That is quite the price for spec, and you only get an OEM cooler? Yeah I think I’ll pass! Lol great job on the video
Isn't there an i9 sticker on the bottom of the front panel?
This video felt like it kinda just stopped halfway through...
Good luck finding one