@@cerberusloyalist5038 That was a sponsored video though, which I made clear at the start. If it helps, I only accept sponsorships for products that I already think is good. For example, MSI originally wanted this to be a sponsored video. However from the get go, I told them no, because I wasn’t confident the PC would be good. I bet the stuff carefully. 😊
Yeah & no need to go to the lengths of the HUB or GN Steve for their specific VRM Test Reviews, just the basic Harware Monitor stats would be good here.
i noticed the same. it seems to be msi's cheapest z790 "gaming" board, with everything stripped off of it... how the heck can they get away with that? they even took the m.2 slot heatsinks away.
Thank you for not pulling your punches. So many reviewers start becoming "kinder" as they grow their channel and get real big sponsors and free stuff. Never change my man.
The "Silent Storm Cooling" thing is actually one of the good things a pre-built can offer you, it is known purpose build air guides can be advantageous.
@@TobyIKanoby Airflow, my dear boy, airflow. An aspect of PC building that I see a lot of self-professed PC DIY "experts" completely ignoring when they DIY. It wasn't directed AT you per say, just adding to the conversation, because you mentioned cooling, and high temperature is the worst performance killer in any build.
@@kiillabytez "My dear boy"? Who you think you are talking to? You think it's normal to talk like that to random strangers? I think the point of my year old comment was the fact that pre-builts if designed right can have a very good air flow system... Most self-professed PC DIY "experts" will probably know airflow is important, you can see it in pretty much all case designs these days. It's the brands that often don't care enough with their pre-builts.
@@TobyIKanoby Well, I could have called you idiot, but I was being kind. Yes, most don't but some do, as is the case wth the Aurora R16. Extremely impressed with this new design.
@@AnnaDoes I can’t tell if MSI just had some fetish for the mean words Dawid throws around or if they just assumed he wouldn’t look at the system while testing it lol 😂… I mean maybe it’s the “all press is good press” system. Or they just don’t actually watch the other videos and where like “hey look this guy has a channel and following where he reviews our pre-built systems let’s send him one
@@joby602 the screens max resolution will always be how it’s displayed no matter what you set the resolution at. so basically your GPU can struggle it’s heart out sending 8K graphics to your monitor but your monitor will only display its max resolution like in this case was 1440p so it’s basically tiring out your graphics card for nothing lol
tbh i thought this was a fairly positive review. that case is... polarizing. i bet there's people who see it as a draw and don't mind the build quality. the only real hit was xmp support (wtf?) and that cheapo mobo/ram, and dawid didn't hammer them for that.
@@SB-pf5rc I mean just showing the cheap ram and motherboard and mentioning that the ram looks like it was pulled from a trash bin is enough lol the cheap ram is crazy like good ram only costs like $130 for Corsair vengeance 5600mhz ddr5 🤷🏼♂️ or like $75 for ddr4 …. So that and the motherboard seem a little unacceptable to me But like spending this amount of money on a PC from a company that makes their own motherboards and getting something that looks cheaper than a normal MSI mag Tomahawk z690 or z590 is crazy. Like you could spend $150 on sale to $250 and get a nicer motherboard with more options than this one I believe. Idk how to feel really but being “top of the line” and having the 4090 in there and high tier CPU doesn’t really make up for everything else right?
@@SB-pf5rc I know it’s irrelevant but you could build this system with better quality components from Best Buy for like $3200. So they are charging $1800 profit and skimping on the motherboard and ram? 😰
I don't think quality of plastic or vents being too large would have ever entered my mind once lol. And I don't think I needed it to. I'm glad everything worked out of the box for you man! That's definitely something rare
It's like a 12 min video but it feels like 5 I am just so entertained that every time a video of him ends I'm just sad that it's over, keep up the good work!
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I suffer Clinical Depression & Severe Anxiety & your videos are Awesome at Distracting my brain from that, making me laugh & giving me happy thoughts, so Big Thank You to you Anna & Neko🧔👱♀😺😁
What i love the most is that... this is the one they chose to send you. Like they had the opportunity to send you a perfect build but then this shows up.
The last time I had to use a screwdriver to open one of my PCs was in 1998. What a neat feature on this 5000 $ PC from 2023. That's just adorable, MSI.
As bad as it was, it's sad that it's still better than a lot of other pre-builts. The most serious issues were just that the case is very cheap, dirty looking, and with a goofy looking design, and also that XMP wasn't enabled. At least the cooling and ventilation actually did work perfectly well. The bios also sucked, but at least it works and does the basic things it's supposed to do.
@@syncmonism the vrm is terrible. It doesn't have any heatsinks and only has ~8+2 phases? I'm not confident in that it can suply over 160W constant and for a $5000 prebuild that's just terrible. You'll either experience vrm throttling or a power limit. In both cases it will decrease performance. And even if it isn't it is probably running in the 100c range and most capacitors are only rated for 5000Hours @105c. And someone who buys a 5000 prebuild probably games all day not 2 hours a day. It won't last long...
I don't know if it's like their laptops. But maybe there is a key combo you have to press, to unlock secret a bios menu to allow you to really tweak the settings just like the ge66 laptop I had.
I don't think any other techtuber has such a great sense of humor. I'm hooked to your videos as the content is good and the humor makes it awesome. Keep up the good work!
That was brave of MSI to send that over, not sure they will be doing it again any time soon! Maybe you could consult for them on what makes a half decent case!
That's what's so weird about it. MSI knows how to make cases! They have decent low cost cases. I use one personally. Why they'd use this junk instead of one of the cases they already produce is beyond me.
4:28 For such an expensive rig, I hope 12VHPWR connector on the RTX4090 doesn't melt under long gaming sessions. It is recommended that bends in the cables don't occur within 35mm of the connector to prevent the connector from melting.
I will second other comments made here: underneath the razor-sharp wit and hilarity, Dawid actually gives real and honest reviews and feedback like almost no one else on TH-cam does. Thank you for that Also, 16°C ambient?? Dawid, use some of that sweet Linode money to turn the heat up!
I have to appreciate MSI being brave enough for sending a 5000-dollar costing machine to a brutally (and comically) honest reviewer that just does what's expected: unbiased opinions. The thing is, how could MSI really not know this would happen?
After watching Gamers Nexus review one of MSI's pre-builts, I'm mildly amused they sent a similar quality pre-built to Dawid. They must have a humiliation kink 😂😂
@@Macheako Hell no, I wouldnt even pay 500 for it. I would rather have a super basic case than this weird pretend modern looking thing with a touchscreen that has the functionality of screens Ive had for a pentium 4 that went in to the CD tray haha.
That’s an interesting point, but as Jason said, rubber grommets should do the same thing. To be fair, the plastic on the side panels would give in way before the radiator mount becomes a problem.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff you can always print a new one if you're feeling nerdy, but on a 5000$ system, I prefer billet aluminum CNC-machined parts, not that plastic crap. But hey, quantity over quality. 😂
It’s always a good day when Dawid uploads a video. This was also a system I’d wanted to see a review of, given MSI’s track record on this channel plus the design choices MSI made and it’s worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it was going to be pretty bad.
8:49 ok but that's a 13900KF. 4 GHz boost? AWFUL. My 13700K with AI OC is boosting to nearly 6 GHz in games that allow it, averages 5.6 - 5.8 in others.
As soon as I saw the rear motherboard i/o, I knew it would be painful. No xmp in ANY system nowadays, let alone a $5k gaming one, proves that someone needs to be fired. Good job keeping the reviews real and entertaining
At least three people are probably looking for a new job soon. The person who "configured" this joke, the manager who signed off on selling it like that and the one who thought sending it out for an independent review was a good idea 😂
I wonder who made the decision to send him that PC with a mechanical drive in it....Its like having a drag racing car with spare tyre donuts on the back wheels.
Just as an info, this MSI BIOS has two variants to config, a base and an expert view. You need the expert view to config XMP. Its hiding in the base view.
Normally on MSI BIOS there's a thing on the top of the UI that tells you to press F7 to enter Advanced Mode or Expert Mode or whatever they call it, but it's not even there when Dawid enters the BIOS. I don't think that's a retail motherboard MSI slapped into that computer, probably some cut-down one they use just for prebuilds.
@@mithikx Yup; the board has no power heatsinks at all and looks like the CSM, or Corporate Stable--office PC stuff. Normally only allows base JEDEC ram speeds and locked multipliers so a K-sku runs like non-K
@@mithikx yeah, the board identifies as the z790 trident x2, which means its custom for that prebuilt... and also interesting that its a z790 with no xmp, lol
I'd imagine they locked down the CPU hard so it didn't immediately melt its way down to the earth's core. Probably a good thing for games given the bottleneck would be elsewhere. You'd be miffed if you bought the system for productivity work, though.
I'm pretty sure that Afterburner is just reading the E-core frequencies. They never went above 4.3GHz, which lines up with stock E-core clocks. A 13900K wouldn't be pulling over 125W with such low frequencies on the P-cores.
I was very surprised with the thermals you were at after playing your game for 45 mins. Would have loved to see more bios options for the memory and some more overclocking options. Maybe it could be added in a bios update in the future?
the temps where impressive for a prebuild big brand. hopefully some fan rpm headroom left over, all stock fan profiles are twice what they should be. biggest let down is all that rgb and screen you pay for, and get annoyed with if it breaks or do not work right, especially after a few years. then there comes the maintenance, you will have a bad time dust cleaning this thing, radiators and no fan filter within this case odd airflow. its going to be really hot after a year and a hell to clean out. but if you notice these things like i do, you build pc's yourself and save some money and do it right.
@@stephen1r2 you are right, i would recommend people doing under-volting on cpu and Graphics card, or some kind of power limits. 5% performance loss with 30% less power usage is a win in my book.
The CPU was only showing 3.9 to 4.1ghz most of the time while gaming, which is a little strange, and might help explain how the CPU is staying relatively cool
@@Zebra_Paw did you just say that a 4090 was a “bottleneck”??? You can’t be serious...the most powerful GPU money can buy right now isnt bottlenecking anything broski.
getting an HDD even in this day and age still make sense and even on a higher end enthusiast build, as long as you have an Nvme for your OS and games an HDD is still a great investment for capacities above 4TB and especially if its just for media files, since an modern HDD will still have fast enough read and write speeds for video files.
G'day Dawid, 🤔according to BIOS 11:21 that mobo is a Z790 Trident X2, Where is the Z790 OC Section MSI 🤷♂??? with that BIOS the Motherdoard might as well have been a H710. Ps Dawid it would have been nice to see the VRM Temps during use too, even if it was just with Hardware Monitor.
Love how Dawid tells MSI at the end of the video thank you, when in the previous sentence he was dumping all over the PC's build quality and plastic materials. 😂
I think MSI products usually feels cheap. It's just their trend. But i'm kinda disappointed that they didn't use the 4090 Suprim X for this one. Also, check the HP Envy Desktop series. It is a office computer with gamer internals and no plastic bullshit externally
Thank you so much for your fair and honest reviews...MSI might not LOL. You and Gamers Nexus are the only channels that I believe the reviews any more.
Yeah that case is insulting, as is the motherboard, ram, and probably most insulting is the fact that they're including a hard drive in a 5 thousand dollar computer. My current pc cost less to build and it has 9 tb of ssd storage, which is a big reason why it cost as much as it did. (if you're wondering why its because bad internet so i dont have the luxury of reinstalling games on a whim and hdd are too slow for games these days)
"MSI took some of the most powerful hardware in the world and stuffed it in to a case that looks like this.... And I can just not see a way in which that does not end terribly". You made me piss my pants in 41 seconds 🤣
The case looks like a cereal box and a party-sized Oreo box stacked against each other in your grocery bag, and then painted black and stuffed with LED strip lights.
Would love to see the VRM temps on that MoBo, really does not look like something that should be housing a CPU that powerful - even if it is running at stock speeds. Also gets me wondering why they paired a 13900kf with a MoBo without overclocking capabilities - seems like they were really trying to justify the entry fee with certain hardware choices while simultaneously cutting corners with others (MoBo / RAM) / Case .
$5000 and it comes with a HDD? What... the actual... fuck... Can't wait to find out what else they messed up. edit: wow, they actually fucked up in their own BIOS? That's a new low...
It's fairly common for prebuilts to have a 500-ish ssd boot drive and a 4-ish (or more?) HDD for extra storage (If you target your DL, and Video folders manually to use it) The other issue stems from the CSM level board with no mosfet heatsinking
I'm aware it's probably booting off an m.2, since the board has 3 slots. Common or not, when we're talking $5000, I'd expect all SSDs. Especially if it's a gaming PC. Also, the listing he shows at 12:05 actually only has a 2TB ssd (which is consistent with MSI's website). Both 13700k versions of this pc come with both a 1TB m.2 and a 1TB HDD, though, so I'm really not sure what they did here. But it doesn't bode well for it being a 4TB drive... Speaking of, I haven't actually seen any prebuilts with 4TB drives. That's actually pretty cool if that's true. Not sure how the lack of a mosfet heatsink relates to ram speeds? Do they need extra cooling for higher speeds? Regardless, it's their board, so it's a fuck-up either way. edit: well... the site says the 13900kf one comes with a 750W PSU, while both 13700kf versions have an 850W PSU, sooo I'm not sure we can trust that information. Also says the 13900 has an extra usb port, the "Power Efficiency Rating" of both 13700s is "ATX", the motherboard is a Z790... not the chipset, the motherboard. Like... which one?! Y'all got like 5 of em. The AIO is described as "liquid cooling" and while all three come with Windows 11 Home, they recommend Windows 11 Pro for businesses... Who's buying a 13900k x 4090 Pc for their receptionist?! And then half the marked specs, which is supposed to indicate differences, are just exactly the same. Man, how hard is it to keep track of 3 PC configurations... Grab one off the assembly line and check. Takes like 10 mins. That spec-sheet is a clusterfuck. How are these multi million dollar companies so incompetent?! It's cause they don't care, I know...
I would say "maybe you should update the BIOS, that might allow you to enable XMP"... but not only is that something a new PC owner shouldn't be obligated to search out, but MSI might have deliberately crippled that product because they figure no one will notice or care. Keep up the good work Dawid!
At 9:20 I was going to ask, yea temps are good and all, but what about the noise, my RTX 4090 and 13600k go close to 80ish celsius, but the system is essentially silent and acceptable after that.
@@franklidgad A be quiet 500DX, (mesh front and top), with 3x 120 intake, exhaust 120 rear, and top 240mm rad for the 13600k cpu, didn't even need a contact frame for it. Due to the amount of mesh, fans and AIO I can keep it all relatively quiet, basically all 0rpm when I'm not playing / just youtubing except the pump which I always keep running at 25% at least, depending on the temperature I let the fans (of case and AIO) ramp up to 80% max, but that isn't neccesary for like 90% of my games I'd say, maybe even 95% of them. It's still not as quiet as a fully water cooled PC though obviously, but I'm not proficient enough to do that.
As much as I love Dawid, it's is insane that he still chooses to bench GTA V on a 13900KF and 4090 based system. GTA V is essentially a geriatric patient at this point.
That silent cool thing is what is known as a shroud. Obviously or maybe not obviously, it helps funnel air and is used in automotive applications for things like radiators (go figure). Many times running your car without the shroud will create cooling issues. They work very very well.
if i was running any tech company , i would never send things to reviewers that are boot lickers. you cant improve with them. Dawid is doing a legit job reviewing every single time. thanks sir. keep up the good work!
About that MSI bios, my motherboard (MSI MAG Tomahawk Wifi Z590) has similar one. You need change it from "easy mode" to the other one. There are all the settings, including RAM Speed. I think you change it by clicking F5
I always love watching your reviews, it's hilarious how companies will actually send you their garbage to check out and sponsor you to rag on it for 10 minutes. You could easily reconstruct this exact computer, spend a Grand less, and get much higher quality components and a case that isn't made out of partially recycled walmart OEM parts. Side note, have you considered doing a mid-tier builder's guide, basically just components that can get you up and running? I think it'd be cool to have some Dawid-style first-timer guides considering your down to earth "does it succ" sarcasm.
MSI hired darkness to run thier PR department. She chose Dawid knowing that he would not hold back. Now she is quirming uncomfortably at being so harshly criticised.
This is why i love Dawid. Holds nothing back even when he is sent a product to look at. Can always expect a non bias no BS review.
Brutality!!
we really know he was not told what to say
@@fakename2966 That motherboard!!! For 5k lol
Yeah I agree, just as bad as a dell mb, basically 5k for a 4090, psu, CPU and ssd. Sad.
I try and show things as they are, besides it makes for better jokes. 😂
@@cerberusloyalist5038 That was a sponsored video though, which I made clear at the start. If it helps, I only accept sponsorships for products that I already think is good. For example, MSI originally wanted this to be a sponsored video. However from the get go, I told them no, because I wasn’t confident the PC would be good. I bet the stuff carefully. 😊
I'd love to see the temps on the motherboards vrms seeing as they had no heatsinks on them at all and they're handling a 13900k.
Yeah & no need to go to the lengths of the HUB or GN Steve for their specific VRM Test Reviews, just the basic Harware Monitor stats would be good here.
i noticed the same. it seems to be msi's cheapest z790 "gaming" board, with everything stripped off of it... how the heck can they get away with that? they even took the m.2 slot heatsinks away.
Thank you for not pulling your punches. So many reviewers start becoming "kinder" as they grow their channel and get real big sponsors and free stuff. Never change my man.
This guy is real
Lenode would sponsor a spineless shill for the man.
It’s a review for a reason
Id change my reviews too if I was getting free shit 💀
You'd think companies would appreciate a review like this as they'll know what they can improve on.
The "Silent Storm Cooling" thing is actually one of the good things a pre-built can offer you, it is known purpose build air guides can be advantageous.
Just buying a case because it fits well with the aesthetic of your system is the dumbest reason to buy a case.
@@kiillabytez Sur that's a reply/comment on what I said? I don't see how.
@@TobyIKanoby Airflow, my dear boy, airflow. An aspect of PC building that I see a lot of self-professed PC DIY "experts" completely ignoring when they DIY.
It wasn't directed AT you per say, just adding to the conversation, because you mentioned cooling, and high temperature is the worst performance killer in any build.
@@kiillabytez "My dear boy"? Who you think you are talking to? You think it's normal to talk like that to random strangers?
I think the point of my year old comment was the fact that pre-builts if designed right can have a very good air flow system...
Most self-professed PC DIY "experts" will probably know airflow is important, you can see it in pretty much all case designs these days. It's the brands that often don't care enough with their pre-builts.
@@TobyIKanoby Well, I could have called you idiot, but I was being kind. Yes, most don't but some do, as is the case wth the Aurora R16. Extremely impressed with this new design.
"It's put together like a tesla" holy words 🗿
hahaha such a burn
@@AnnaDoes I can’t tell if MSI just had some fetish for the mean words Dawid throws around or if they just assumed he wouldn’t look at the system while testing it lol 😂… I mean maybe it’s the “all press is good press” system. Or they just don’t actually watch the other videos and where like “hey look this guy has a channel and following where he reviews our pre-built systems let’s send him one
Dawid Twitter account mysteriously stops working...
@@cv990a4 lol
Why does it say: 4 answered from dawiddoestechstuff and others but I don't see his answere? Do you see it?
4K gaming on a 1440p monitor, impressive.
I couldn't figure that one out either.
@@joby602 the screens max resolution will always be how it’s displayed no matter what you set the resolution at. so basically your GPU can struggle it’s heart out sending 8K graphics to your monitor but your monitor will only display its max resolution like in this case was 1440p so it’s basically tiring out your graphics card for nothing lol
@@joby602 You fools never hear of Super Sampling? Stick to consoles plebs.
@@TeamGun what?🤣
@@TubaraoCK6 That's not how it works with SS lol
Let's enjoy the very last video MSI will ever send a pc for 😂
I mean they clearly are a glutton for punishment. It’s not like Dawid said nice things about the other MSI pre-guilts lmao 🤣
tbh i thought this was a fairly positive review. that case is... polarizing. i bet there's people who see it as a draw and don't mind the build quality. the only real hit was xmp support (wtf?) and that cheapo mobo/ram, and dawid didn't hammer them for that.
@@SB-pf5rc I mean just showing the cheap ram and motherboard and mentioning that the ram looks like it was pulled from a trash bin is enough lol the cheap ram is crazy like good ram only costs like $130 for Corsair vengeance 5600mhz ddr5 🤷🏼♂️ or like $75 for ddr4 …. So that and the motherboard seem a little unacceptable to me
But like spending this amount of money on a PC from a company that makes their own motherboards and getting something that looks cheaper than a normal MSI mag Tomahawk z690 or z590 is crazy. Like you could spend $150 on sale to $250 and get a nicer motherboard with more options than this one I believe.
Idk how to feel really but being “top of the line” and having the 4090 in there and high tier CPU doesn’t really make up for everything else right?
@@SB-pf5rc I know it’s irrelevant but you could build this system with better quality components from Best Buy for like $3200. So they are charging $1800 profit and skimping on the motherboard and ram? 😰
@@slowlanegamer You can get a 64GB DDR5 kit for $130?
I don't think quality of plastic or vents being too large would have ever entered my mind once lol. And I don't think I needed it to. I'm glad everything worked out of the box for you man! That's definitely something rare
It's like a 12 min video but it feels like 5 I am just so entertained that every time a video of him ends I'm just sad that it's over, keep up the good work!
Yep & it's always a better day i it is a DawidDTS video day😁
That’s great to hear! I’m glad you don’t find them hard to sit through. 👍
@@shaneeslick Thanks Shane! 😃
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I suffer Clinical Depression & Severe Anxiety & your videos are Awesome at Distracting my brain from that, making me laugh & giving me happy thoughts, so Big Thank You to you Anna & Neko🧔👱♀😺😁
@@shaneeslick I’m glad they offer you a distraction and I wish you all the best for what you are going through. 😊
What i love the most is that... this is the one they chose to send you. Like they had the opportunity to send you a perfect build but then this shows up.
MSI: Here Dawid, have this $5000 system and say some nice things :>
Dawid: This is not the face of mercy.
Who else read that in Dawid's voice? :)
@@jasonharris8588 I also did. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuffI love you
@@thealien_ali3382love is a strong word, save it for a love interest, unless Dawid is your love interest, then pardon me xD
He's got a very friendly mug it's easy to make that mistake.
The last time I had to use a screwdriver to open one of my PCs was in 1998. What a neat feature on this 5000 $ PC from 2023. That's just adorable, MSI.
Haha, very good point! At least use thumb screws, MSI. Come on, even low end cases have these nowadays.
I hope whoever in MSI marketing decided to send you a $5000 system does well in his next avenue of employment.
you know it's going to be a great video when Dawid says there no way it can end other then badly🤣🤣🤣
As bad as it was, it's sad that it's still better than a lot of other pre-builts. The most serious issues were just that the case is very cheap, dirty looking, and with a goofy looking design, and also that XMP wasn't enabled. At least the cooling and ventilation actually did work perfectly well. The bios also sucked, but at least it works and does the basic things it's supposed to do.
@@syncmonism Make no mistake, I would brtu gladly accept it if they sent be one. I'm just not able to tell if it was worth the price.
@@syncmonism the vrm is terrible. It doesn't have any heatsinks and only has ~8+2 phases? I'm not confident in that it can suply over 160W constant and for a $5000 prebuild that's just terrible. You'll either experience vrm throttling or a power limit. In both cases it will decrease performance. And even if it isn't it is probably running in the 100c range and most capacitors are only rated for 5000Hours @105c. And someone who buys a 5000 prebuild probably games all day not 2 hours a day. It won't last long...
@@apotato5563 This is why I will never buy a prebuilt, they always skimp on the motherboard, power supply, case, etc.
I don't know if it's like their laptops. But maybe there is a key combo you have to press, to unlock secret a bios menu to allow you to really tweak the settings just like the ge66 laptop I had.
Tell me the secret. I have this laptop
Nothing screams class like Piano Black Plastic :D
:D
Anna Does?
@@Sayedx64 haha soon?
My launch PS3 can confirm that
I don't think any other techtuber has such a great sense of humor. I'm hooked to your videos as the content is good and the humor makes it awesome. Keep up the good work!
That was brave of MSI to send that over, not sure they will be doing it again any time soon!
Maybe you could consult for them on what makes a half decent case!
Haha!! Yeah I’m curious to see how this plays out.
That's what's so weird about it. MSI knows how to make cases! They have decent low cost cases. I use one personally. Why they'd use this junk instead of one of the cases they already produce is beyond me.
@@Whiterin because they have a pretty good track record of selling odd super expensive pcs
4:28 For such an expensive rig, I hope 12VHPWR connector on the RTX4090 doesn't melt under long gaming sessions. It is recommended that bends in the cables don't occur within 35mm of the connector to prevent the connector from melting.
I will second other comments made here: underneath the razor-sharp wit and hilarity, Dawid actually gives real and honest reviews and feedback like almost no one else on TH-cam does. Thank you for that
Also, 16°C ambient?? Dawid, use some of that sweet Linode money to turn the heat up!
That 16°C Ambient is why Dawid is literally the Coollest TechTuber 🥶😂
Don't worry the 4090 is a heater
8:19 suffering from success
I have to appreciate MSI being brave enough for sending a 5000-dollar costing machine to a brutally (and comically) honest reviewer that just does what's expected: unbiased opinions.
The thing is, how could MSI really not know this would happen?
After watching Gamers Nexus review one of MSI's pre-builts, I'm mildly amused they sent a similar quality pre-built to Dawid. They must have a humiliation kink 😂😂
take away the 4090......and that thing HONESTLY looks like it's worth.....maybe $700 - $900 bucks? 🤣🤣🤣
@@Macheako Hell no, I wouldnt even pay 500 for it. I would rather have a super basic case than this weird pretend modern looking thing with a touchscreen that has the functionality of screens Ive had for a pentium 4 that went in to the CD tray haha.
Every Ventus card I've ever had my hands on has sounded like a tornado, fighting a truckload of angry cats.
To be honest the springy plastic for the radiator mounting is a good thing. It soaks up vibration from the ventilators which is good for noise.
Rubber grommets at the mounting points would allow for a steal bracket and provide the same noise deadening.
That’s an interesting point, but as Jason said, rubber grommets should do the same thing. To be fair, the plastic on the side panels would give in way before the radiator mount becomes a problem.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff you can always print a new one if you're feeling nerdy, but on a 5000$ system, I prefer billet aluminum CNC-machined parts, not that plastic crap. But hey, quantity over quality. 😂
It really should have high quality quad channel ram with that price. Especially when it has the slots?!
It’s always a good day when Dawid uploads a video. This was also a system I’d wanted to see a review of, given MSI’s track record on this channel plus the design choices MSI made and it’s worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it was going to be pretty bad.
8:49 ok but that's a 13900KF. 4 GHz boost? AWFUL. My 13700K with AI OC is boosting to nearly 6 GHz in games that allow it, averages 5.6 - 5.8 in others.
As soon as I saw the rear motherboard i/o, I knew it would be painful. No xmp in ANY system nowadays, let alone a $5k gaming one, proves that someone needs to be fired.
Good job keeping the reviews real and entertaining
At least three people are probably looking for a new job soon.
The person who "configured" this joke, the manager who signed off on selling it like that and the one who thought sending it out for an independent review was a good idea 😂
I wonder who made the decision to send him that PC with a mechanical drive in it....Its like having a drag racing car with spare tyre donuts on the back wheels.
Dawid, your ambient room temperature is so low! Good job you had that behemoth of a system to bring it up a little
Just as an info, this MSI BIOS has two variants to config, a base and an expert view. You need the expert view to config XMP. Its hiding in the base view.
thanks for the info! ...'expert' to run the ram at its rated speed tho-- 🤣
Normally on MSI BIOS there's a thing on the top of the UI that tells you to press F7 to enter Advanced Mode or Expert Mode or whatever they call it, but it's not even there when Dawid enters the BIOS. I don't think that's a retail motherboard MSI slapped into that computer, probably some cut-down one they use just for prebuilds.
@@mithikx Yup; the board has no power heatsinks at all and looks like the CSM, or Corporate Stable--office PC stuff. Normally only allows base JEDEC ram speeds and locked multipliers so a K-sku runs like non-K
@@mithikx And even in EZ mode (thats how it's called in the BIOS) there is a yuge XMP button on top.
@@mithikx yeah, the board identifies as the z790 trident x2, which means its custom for that prebuilt... and also interesting that its a z790 with no xmp, lol
You are easily one of my favorite channels and my goodness you bring pure joy each and every time.
Another wonderfully enjoyable video; thanks Dawid. My only question really is why the cpu appeared locked at around 4ghz?
I'd imagine they locked down the CPU hard so it didn't immediately melt its way down to the earth's core. Probably a good thing for games given the bottleneck would be elsewhere. You'd be miffed if you bought the system for productivity work, though.
Nice pick up, I missed that & it would be interesting to understand why it is only Boosting around 4-4.2GHZ as the BIOS says CPU 5.5 GHz at 11.21
I'm pretty sure that Afterburner is just reading the E-core frequencies. They never went above 4.3GHz, which lines up with stock E-core clocks. A 13900K wouldn't be pulling over 125W with such low frequencies on the P-cores.
I was very surprised with the thermals you were at after playing your game for 45 mins. Would have loved to see more bios options for the memory and some more overclocking options. Maybe it could be added in a bios update in the future?
It seems like the motherboard VRMs really bad or the power is limited, the CPU only boost to 4GHz in gaming which should be more around 5.5GHz.
I think Afterburner was just reading the E-core frequency. They only go up to 4.3GHz stock.
Thanks
the temps where impressive for a prebuild big brand. hopefully some fan rpm headroom left over, all stock fan profiles are twice what they should be.
biggest let down is all that rgb and screen you pay for, and get annoyed with if it breaks or do not work right, especially after a few years. then there comes the maintenance, you will have a bad time dust cleaning this thing, radiators and no fan filter within this case odd airflow. its going to be really hot after a year and a hell to clean out.
but if you notice these things like i do, you build pc's yourself and save some money and do it right.
The CSM motherboard used here has no mosfet heatsinks so it will need a bit higher airflow
@@stephen1r2 you are right, i would recommend people doing under-volting on cpu and Graphics card, or some kind of power limits. 5% performance loss with 30% less power usage is a win in my book.
12:13 I almost spat out my coffee, good job on that line!
The CPU was only showing 3.9 to 4.1ghz most of the time while gaming, which is a little strange, and might help explain how the CPU is staying relatively cool
The motherboard is power limiting the cpu because it's junk.
Also the GPU was a huge bottleneck so it was never fully utilized, not even close. I’d have tried 1080P Medium
@@Ryan-re1rs yeah probably too!
@@Zebra_Paw theres no way a 4090 is bottlenecking that system, its definately the motherboard
@@Zebra_Paw did you just say that a 4090 was a “bottleneck”??? You can’t be serious...the most powerful GPU money can buy right now isnt bottlenecking anything broski.
An HDD in a ~$5000 machine? WTF MSI? I love how Dawid just goes full tilt through the entire review!
12TB SSD = $4000
12TB HDD = $200
makes sense to me.
@@joe--cool lol i spent like 800 dollars on 2 4tb samsung ssds about a year and a half ago quit lying
@@honeybadger6275 2 SSDs with 4 TB equal 1 SSD with 12 TB. And they cost the same. Fascincating.
That's news to me. Heed your advice and stop lying.
getting an HDD even in this day and age still make sense and even on a higher end enthusiast build, as long as you have an Nvme for your OS and games an HDD is still a great investment for capacities above 4TB and especially if its just for media files, since an modern HDD will still have fast enough read and write speeds for video files.
Imagine buying a 5,000 system without a glass side to you can see the 4090
I got my 4090 on full display in my corsair 680x
Best and honest review I can find on youtube! Love it.
New David Video YEEEESSS!
G'day Dawid,
🤔according to BIOS 11:21 that mobo is a Z790 Trident X2, Where is the Z790 OC Section MSI 🤷♂??? with that BIOS the Motherdoard might as well have been a H710.
Ps Dawid it would have been nice to see the VRM Temps during use too, even if it was just with Hardware Monitor.
Thank you for your brutal honesty. Keeping it real. Respect.
Love how Dawid tells MSI at the end of the video thank you, when in the previous sentence he was dumping all over the PC's build quality and plastic materials. 😂
I think MSI products usually feels cheap. It's just their trend. But i'm kinda disappointed that they didn't use the 4090 Suprim X for this one. Also, check the HP Envy Desktop series. It is a office computer with gamer internals and no plastic bullshit externally
HP motherboards are getting more and more terrible!
Crazy to see how the videos have only gotten better over the last two years or so since I found the channel
Gotta give MSI where credit is due, their package and presentation standards are superb. 👌
I just love how brutally honest you are. I wonder if MSI is now regretting that.
I wonder if putting two 120mm fans at the front will make much of a difference. Specifically, I guess, for the ram and vrm
02:17 as a german I really appreciate the tesla hate
Thank you so much for your fair and honest reviews...MSI might not LOL. You and Gamers Nexus are the only channels that I believe the reviews any more.
HUB are Awesome too as they pull no punches either, Steve & Tim just lay it out straight as the results show
I agree, HW Unboxed is also very recommendable 👍
LTT and Jay have become a bit hit and miss imho.
$5K???? We would make this for half that!!
Always nice to see obvious cost cutting on a $5000 dollar system where there should be none.
Yeah that case is insulting, as is the motherboard, ram, and probably most insulting is the fact that they're including a hard drive in a 5 thousand dollar computer. My current pc cost less to build and it has 9 tb of ssd storage, which is a big reason why it cost as much as it did. (if you're wondering why its because bad internet so i dont have the luxury of reinstalling games on a whim and hdd are too slow for games these days)
if you wanna spend 5k you can get almost anything lol who (uneducated people aside) would buy this?
My cheapo Gigabyte H110M from the dinosaur era has XMP, I can't really accept the fact that this one doesn't. That's a hard no.
"MSI took some of the most powerful hardware in the world and stuffed it in to a case that looks like this.... And I can just not see a way in which that does not end terribly". You made me piss my pants in 41 seconds 🤣
The case looks like a cereal box and a party-sized Oreo box stacked against each other in your grocery bag, and then painted black and stuffed with LED strip lights.
no vrm heatsinks on a 5k pc?
The fact that a 4090 can’t get 200+fps on ANY game is insane considering it’s a $2,000 GPU
You can blame the cpu from intel, it has no v3d cache. And for high fps the cpu craps out before the gpu does
$5000 and the case is almost all cheap plastic like some $40 cases is a shame :D
At least the temperature was better than expected. 🙂
Would love to see the VRM temps on that MoBo, really does not look like something that should be housing a CPU that powerful - even if it is running at stock speeds. Also gets me wondering why they paired a 13900kf with a MoBo without overclocking capabilities - seems like they were really trying to justify the entry fee with certain hardware choices while simultaneously cutting corners with others (MoBo / RAM) / Case .
$5000 for a pre built it better be insane
Insanely bad case, ram, psu, and motherboard! Oh, and a hard drive. If I spent 5g on a computer and it came with a hard drive it would get sent back.
1:39 challenge accepted, I once watched a UPS driver throw a 65in OLED over some ones fence before.
'its put together like a tesla" LOL
"The Plastic Fantastic" is one of the best tag lines I think I have ever heard!!!!
MSI is known for making weird, unique cases!
Dawid going for the trifecta. Having Tesla, Twatter and MSI wanting to end him. We must protect this man and his humor.
$5000 and it comes with a HDD?
What... the actual... fuck...
Can't wait to find out what else they messed up.
edit: wow, they actually fucked up in their own BIOS? That's a new low...
It's fairly common for prebuilts to have a 500-ish ssd boot drive and a 4-ish (or more?) HDD for extra storage (If you target your DL, and Video folders manually to use it)
The other issue stems from the CSM level board with no mosfet heatsinking
I'm aware it's probably booting off an m.2, since the board has 3 slots.
Common or not, when we're talking $5000, I'd expect all SSDs. Especially if it's a gaming PC. Also, the listing he shows at 12:05 actually only has a 2TB ssd (which is consistent with MSI's website). Both 13700k versions of this pc come with both a 1TB m.2 and a 1TB HDD, though, so I'm really not sure what they did here. But it doesn't bode well for it being a 4TB drive...
Speaking of, I haven't actually seen any prebuilts with 4TB drives. That's actually pretty cool if that's true.
Not sure how the lack of a mosfet heatsink relates to ram speeds? Do they need extra cooling for higher speeds? Regardless, it's their board, so it's a fuck-up either way.
edit: well... the site says the 13900kf one comes with a 750W PSU, while both 13700kf versions have an 850W PSU, sooo I'm not sure we can trust that information.
Also says the 13900 has an extra usb port, the "Power Efficiency Rating" of both 13700s is "ATX", the motherboard is a Z790... not the chipset, the motherboard. Like... which one?! Y'all got like 5 of em. The AIO is described as "liquid cooling" and while all three come with Windows 11 Home, they recommend Windows 11 Pro for businesses... Who's buying a 13900k x 4090 Pc for their receptionist?! And then half the marked specs, which is supposed to indicate differences, are just exactly the same.
Man, how hard is it to keep track of 3 PC configurations... Grab one off the assembly line and check. Takes like 10 mins.
That spec-sheet is a clusterfuck.
How are these multi million dollar companies so incompetent?!
It's cause they don't care, I know...
I would say "maybe you should update the BIOS, that might allow you to enable XMP"... but not only is that something a new PC owner shouldn't be obligated to search out, but MSI might have deliberately crippled that product because they figure no one will notice or care.
Keep up the good work Dawid!
I figured it out.
the build they were going for is a strange fusion of smart fridge/PS5 (at least in terms of aesthetics) =D
“The plastic fantastic” got to love it man
Wow, that mobo I/O is unforgivable... My shitty prebuilt from 6 years ago has better I/O.
Yea, They Crazy for this one.
I absolutely love these gimmick prebuilts! An HDD and NO vrm cooling for over $5000 (lol)
Your videos are awesome.
After reading the spec sheet for these things, it turns out Dawid went easy on them.
True!
At 9:20 I was going to ask, yea temps are good and all, but what about the noise, my RTX 4090 and 13600k go close to 80ish celsius, but the system is essentially silent and acceptable after that.
What do you have for a case and cooling?
@@franklidgad A be quiet 500DX, (mesh front and top), with 3x 120 intake, exhaust 120 rear, and top 240mm rad for the 13600k cpu, didn't even need a contact frame for it.
Due to the amount of mesh, fans and AIO I can keep it all relatively quiet, basically all 0rpm when I'm not playing / just youtubing except the pump which I always keep running at 25% at least, depending on the temperature I let the fans (of case and AIO) ramp up to 80% max, but that isn't neccesary for like 90% of my games I'd say, maybe even 95% of them.
It's still not as quiet as a fully water cooled PC though obviously, but I'm not proficient enough to do that.
You'd expect a 5000$ PC, expecially from MSI to be build with reasonable materials. I wouldn't buy it for 2500$...
Was the monitor good?
As much as I love Dawid, it's is insane that he still chooses to bench GTA V on a 13900KF and 4090 based system. GTA V is essentially a geriatric patient at this point.
gta is that old game where physics is bound to fps
And doesn’t like to run over 140 fps. GTA IV is even worse!
6:10 "pLaStIc fAnTaStIc" got me dying💀
That silent cool thing is what is known as a shroud. Obviously or maybe not obviously, it helps funnel air and is used in automotive applications for things like radiators (go figure). Many times running your car without the shroud will create cooling issues. They work very very well.
5:29 no shit, you can't see it from the outside it doesn't matter how it looks if you never see it
Should have a rating system and a leaderboard ✌🏾
Bloody hell, the box looks like it just about survived ww3!!
Your Intro always give me an epiletic atack. But i always see the rest of the video !
Nasty piano black and skew whiff trim? That’s a Vauxhall/Opel Insignia you’ve got there.
if i was running any tech company , i would never send things to reviewers that are boot lickers.
you cant improve with them. Dawid is doing a legit job reviewing every single time. thanks sir. keep up the good work!
Why would you put in on the desk and not under it? You could put a second monitor on the desk instead. You'd get more utility and less noise.
About that MSI bios, my motherboard (MSI MAG Tomahawk Wifi Z590) has similar one. You need change it from "easy mode" to the other one. There are all the settings, including RAM Speed. I think you change it by clicking F5
I always love watching your reviews, it's hilarious how companies will actually send you their garbage to check out and sponsor you to rag on it for 10 minutes. You could easily reconstruct this exact computer, spend a Grand less, and get much higher quality components and a case that isn't made out of partially recycled walmart OEM parts. Side note, have you considered doing a mid-tier builder's guide, basically just components that can get you up and running? I think it'd be cool to have some Dawid-style first-timer guides considering your down to earth "does it succ" sarcasm.
Bro runs those games at 4K ultra while my phone is struggling to play this video at 720p
Never commented before.
The stars aligned.
Brilliantly Dawid. 👏
Great video love this MSI pre-built
It is almost like a competitor of MSI actually paid for this computer to be sent over to Dawid, just so he could tear it to pieces.
MSI hired darkness to run thier PR department. She chose Dawid knowing that he would not hold back. Now she is quirming uncomfortably at being so harshly criticised.
The naked vrms would be of concern with that cpu, if doing a very heavy cpu load for extended time in that case.
That's not a mechanical drive buddy, it's a solid state. ----> 4:49
"Let's reassemble the Plastic Fantastic"... Dawid, I literally fell out of my gaming chair!
looks like it was pulled right out of the original Bladerunner. That 80s retrofuturism.
One word for this review! BRUTAL