This $5000 MSI Gaming Pre-Built Is WILD...

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  • I look at a very expensive pre-built system by MSI.
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  • @zappalavigna
    @zappalavigna ปีที่แล้ว +2841

    "It's put together like a tesla" holy words 🗿

    • @AnnaDoes
      @AnnaDoes ปีที่แล้ว +210

      hahaha such a burn

    • @slowlanegamer
      @slowlanegamer ปีที่แล้ว +115

      @@AnnaDoes I can’t tell if MSI just had some fetish for the mean words Dawid throws around or if they just assumed he wouldn’t look at the system while testing it lol 😂… I mean maybe it’s the “all press is good press” system. Or they just don’t actually watch the other videos and where like “hey look this guy has a channel and following where he reviews our pre-built systems let’s send him one

    • @cv990a4
      @cv990a4 ปีที่แล้ว +220

      Dawid Twitter account mysteriously stops working...

    • @zappalavigna
      @zappalavigna ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cv990a4 lol

    • @zappalavigna
      @zappalavigna ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Why does it say: 4 answered from dawiddoestechstuff and others but I don't see his answere? Do you see it?

  • @Daruffy
    @Daruffy ปีที่แล้ว +1100

    Let's enjoy the very last video MSI will ever send a pc for 😂

    • @slowlanegamer
      @slowlanegamer ปีที่แล้ว +176

      I mean they clearly are a glutton for punishment. It’s not like Dawid said nice things about the other MSI pre-guilts lmao 🤣

    • @SB-pf5rc
      @SB-pf5rc ปีที่แล้ว +35

      tbh i thought this was a fairly positive review. that case is... polarizing. i bet there's people who see it as a draw and don't mind the build quality. the only real hit was xmp support (wtf?) and that cheapo mobo/ram, and dawid didn't hammer them for that.

    • @slowlanegamer
      @slowlanegamer ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@SB-pf5rc I mean just showing the cheap ram and motherboard and mentioning that the ram looks like it was pulled from a trash bin is enough lol the cheap ram is crazy like good ram only costs like $130 for Corsair vengeance 5600mhz ddr5 🤷🏼‍♂️ or like $75 for ddr4 …. So that and the motherboard seem a little unacceptable to me
      But like spending this amount of money on a PC from a company that makes their own motherboards and getting something that looks cheaper than a normal MSI mag Tomahawk z690 or z590 is crazy. Like you could spend $150 on sale to $250 and get a nicer motherboard with more options than this one I believe.
      Idk how to feel really but being “top of the line” and having the 4090 in there and high tier CPU doesn’t really make up for everything else right?

    • @slowlanegamer
      @slowlanegamer ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@SB-pf5rc I know it’s irrelevant but you could build this system with better quality components from Best Buy for like $3200. So they are charging $1800 profit and skimping on the motherboard and ram? 😰

    • @Ficii1
      @Ficii1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@slowlanegamer You can get a 64GB DDR5 kit for $130?

  • @halfbitgaming7022
    @halfbitgaming7022 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I'd love to see the temps on the motherboards vrms seeing as they had no heatsinks on them at all and they're handling a 13900k.

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah & no need to go to the lengths of the HUB or GN Steve for their specific VRM Test Reviews, just the basic Harware Monitor stats would be good here.

    • @ge2719
      @ge2719 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      i noticed the same. it seems to be msi's cheapest z790 "gaming" board, with everything stripped off of it... how the heck can they get away with that? they even took the m.2 slot heatsinks away.

  • @Hadosama
    @Hadosama ปีที่แล้ว +1801

    This is why i love Dawid. Holds nothing back even when he is sent a product to look at. Can always expect a non bias no BS review.

    • @zacharykoppinger9835
      @zacharykoppinger9835 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Brutality!!

    • @fakename2966
      @fakename2966 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      we really know he was not told what to say

    • @insurgentlowcash7564
      @insurgentlowcash7564 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@fakename2966 That motherboard!!! For 5k lol
      Yeah I agree, just as bad as a dell mb, basically 5k for a 4090, psu, CPU and ssd. Sad.

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +135

      I try and show things as they are, besides it makes for better jokes. 😂

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +184

      @@cerberusloyalist5038 That was a sponsored video though, which I made clear at the start. If it helps, I only accept sponsorships for products that I already think is good. For example, MSI originally wanted this to be a sponsored video. However from the get go, I told them no, because I wasn’t confident the PC would be good. I bet the stuff carefully. 😊

  • @SkillTimO
    @SkillTimO ปีที่แล้ว +75

    4K gaming on a 1440p monitor, impressive.

    • @jonboy602
      @jonboy602 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I couldn't figure that one out either.

    • @makuIa
      @makuIa ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@jonboy602 the screens max resolution will always be how it’s displayed no matter what you set the resolution at. so basically your GPU can struggle it’s heart out sending 8K graphics to your monitor but your monitor will only display its max resolution like in this case was 1440p so it’s basically tiring out your graphics card for nothing lol

    • @TeamGun
      @TeamGun ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@jonboy602 You fools never hear of Super Sampling? Stick to consoles plebs.

    • @hahamanin
      @hahamanin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TeamGun what?🤣

    • @R3AL-AIM
      @R3AL-AIM 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@makuIa That's not how it works with SS lol

  • @yourmom9758
    @yourmom9758 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The bios is in a default basic mode. There is a video on TH-cam that shows you how to enter the advanced settings mode in the MSI bios. I had to do it with my Stealth GS77.

    • @Zimzephyr
      @Zimzephyr หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah mine has a CPU Boost and XMP button at the top left

  • @Large_Sarge
    @Large_Sarge ปีที่แล้ว +816

    Thank you for not pulling your punches. So many reviewers start becoming "kinder" as they grow their channel and get real big sponsors and free stuff. Never change my man.

    • @jasonpage5282
      @jasonpage5282 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      This guy is real

    • @gkjester
      @gkjester ปีที่แล้ว

      Lenode would sponsor a spineless shill for the man.

    • @thekoreyway9272
      @thekoreyway9272 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s a review for a reason

    • @w.d.gaster1550
      @w.d.gaster1550 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Id change my reviews too if I was getting free shit 💀

    • @nicknz100
      @nicknz100 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You'd think companies would appreciate a review like this as they'll know what they can improve on.

  • @TobyIKanoby
    @TobyIKanoby ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The "Silent Storm Cooling" thing is actually one of the good things a pre-built can offer you, it is known purpose build air guides can be advantageous.

  • @CosmicColdBrew
    @CosmicColdBrew ปีที่แล้ว +427

    MSI: Here Dawid, have this $5000 system and say some nice things :>
    Dawid: This is not the face of mercy.

    • @jasonharris8588
      @jasonharris8588 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Who else read that in Dawid's voice? :)

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +73

      @@jasonharris8588 I also did. 😅

    • @thealien_ali3382
      @thealien_ali3382 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@DawidDoesTechStuffI love you

    • @D4RKV3NOM
      @D4RKV3NOM ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@thealien_ali3382love is a strong word, save it for a love interest, unless Dawid is your love interest, then pardon me xD

    • @Touma134
      @Touma134 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's got a very friendly mug it's easy to make that mistake.

  • @PenguinConspiracyProject
    @PenguinConspiracyProject ปีที่แล้ว +22

    An HDD in a ~$5000 machine? WTF MSI? I love how Dawid just goes full tilt through the entire review!

    • @joe--cool
      @joe--cool ปีที่แล้ว

      12TB SSD = $4000
      12TB HDD = $200
      makes sense to me.

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joe--cool lol i spent like 800 dollars on 2 4tb samsung ssds about a year and a half ago quit lying

    • @joe--cool
      @joe--cool ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@honeybadger6275 2 SSDs with 4 TB equal 1 SSD with 12 TB. And they cost the same. Fascincating.
      That's news to me. Heed your advice and stop lying.

    • @esotericjahanism5251
      @esotericjahanism5251 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      getting an HDD even in this day and age still make sense and even on a higher end enthusiast build, as long as you have an Nvme for your OS and games an HDD is still a great investment for capacities above 4TB and especially if its just for media files, since an modern HDD will still have fast enough read and write speeds for video files.

  • @pschroeter1
    @pschroeter1 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    I hope whoever in MSI marketing decided to send you a $5000 system does well in his next avenue of employment.

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you know it's going to be a great video when Dawid says there no way it can end other then badly🤣🤣🤣

    • @syncmonism
      @syncmonism ปีที่แล้ว +11

      As bad as it was, it's sad that it's still better than a lot of other pre-builts. The most serious issues were just that the case is very cheap, dirty looking, and with a goofy looking design, and also that XMP wasn't enabled. At least the cooling and ventilation actually did work perfectly well. The bios also sucked, but at least it works and does the basic things it's supposed to do.

    • @pschroeter1
      @pschroeter1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@syncmonism Make no mistake, I would brtu gladly accept it if they sent be one. I'm just not able to tell if it was worth the price.

    • @apotato5563
      @apotato5563 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​​@@syncmonism the vrm is terrible. It doesn't have any heatsinks and only has ~8+2 phases? I'm not confident in that it can suply over 160W constant and for a $5000 prebuild that's just terrible. You'll either experience vrm throttling or a power limit. In both cases it will decrease performance. And even if it isn't it is probably running in the 100c range and most capacitors are only rated for 5000Hours @105c. And someone who buys a 5000 prebuild probably games all day not 2 hours a day. It won't last long...

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@apotato5563 This is why I will never buy a prebuilt, they always skimp on the motherboard, power supply, case, etc.

  • @aliananza1990
    @aliananza1990 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I don't know if it's like their laptops. But maybe there is a key combo you have to press, to unlock secret a bios menu to allow you to really tweak the settings just like the ge66 laptop I had.

    • @yepyep266
      @yepyep266 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell me the secret. I have this laptop

  • @theDRA90N
    @theDRA90N ปีที่แล้ว +233

    It's like a 12 min video but it feels like 5 I am just so entertained that every time a video of him ends I'm just sad that it's over, keep up the good work!

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep & it's always a better day i it is a DawidDTS video day😁

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +29

      That’s great to hear! I’m glad you don’t find them hard to sit through. 👍

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@shaneeslick Thanks Shane! 😃

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@DawidDoesTechStuff I suffer Clinical Depression & Severe Anxiety & your videos are Awesome at Distracting my brain from that, making me laugh & giving me happy thoughts, so Big Thank You to you Anna & Neko🧔👱‍♀😺😁

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@shaneeslick I’m glad they offer you a distraction and I wish you all the best for what you are going through. 😊

  • @P2000Camaro
    @P2000Camaro ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I genuinely don't understand how nobody can spell the word "BREATHE" anymore.... Like seriously, when did BREATHE become such a hard word for people to figure out?

  • @AnnaDoes
    @AnnaDoes ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Nothing screams class like Piano Black Plastic :D

    • @orenraveh1162
      @orenraveh1162 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :D

    • @Sayedx64
      @Sayedx64 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Anna Does?

    • @AnnaDoes
      @AnnaDoes ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Sayedx64 haha soon?

    • @Xanduur
      @Xanduur หลายเดือนก่อน

      My launch PS3 can confirm that

  • @crylune
    @crylune ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:49 ok but that's a 13900KF. 4 GHz boost? AWFUL. My 13700K with AI OC is boosting to nearly 6 GHz in games that allow it, averages 5.6 - 5.8 in others.

  • @pauldethick6175
    @pauldethick6175 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    That was brave of MSI to send that over, not sure they will be doing it again any time soon!
    Maybe you could consult for them on what makes a half decent case!

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Haha!! Yeah I’m curious to see how this plays out.

    • @Whiterin
      @Whiterin ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That's what's so weird about it. MSI knows how to make cases! They have decent low cost cases. I use one personally. Why they'd use this junk instead of one of the cases they already produce is beyond me.

    • @mikeymaiku
      @mikeymaiku ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Whiterin because they have a pretty good track record of selling odd super expensive pcs

  • @Rexonsteroids
    @Rexonsteroids ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I don't think quality of plastic or vents being too large would have ever entered my mind once lol. And I don't think I needed it to. I'm glad everything worked out of the box for you man! That's definitely something rare

  • @fierce134
    @fierce134 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I will second other comments made here: underneath the razor-sharp wit and hilarity, Dawid actually gives real and honest reviews and feedback like almost no one else on TH-cam does. Thank you for that
    Also, 16°C ambient?? Dawid, use some of that sweet Linode money to turn the heat up!

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That 16°C Ambient is why Dawid is literally the Coollest TechTuber 🥶😂

    • @apotato5563
      @apotato5563 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't worry the 4090 is a heater

  • @mopioline65
    @mopioline65 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love how Dawid tells MSI at the end of the video thank you, when in the previous sentence he was dumping all over the PC's build quality and plastic materials. 😂

  • @EvocativeKitsune
    @EvocativeKitsune ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow, that mobo I/O is unforgivable... My shitty prebuilt from 6 years ago has better I/O.

  • @HullarsRedDust
    @HullarsRedDust ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I absolutely love these gimmick prebuilts! An HDD and NO vrm cooling for over $5000 (lol)

  • @garbuckle3000
    @garbuckle3000 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    As soon as I saw the rear motherboard i/o, I knew it would be painful. No xmp in ANY system nowadays, let alone a $5k gaming one, proves that someone needs to be fired.
    Good job keeping the reviews real and entertaining

    • @db8989
      @db8989 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      At least three people are probably looking for a new job soon.
      The person who "configured" this joke, the manager who signed off on selling it like that and the one who thought sending it out for an independent review was a good idea 😂

    • @jesses1589
      @jesses1589 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wonder who made the decision to send him that PC with a mechanical drive in it....Its like having a drag racing car with spare tyre donuts on the back wheels.

  • @HippieJoe
    @HippieJoe ปีที่แล้ว

    Man... I THOUGHT you were going to go EASY on the product because they gave it to you for free. I'm so freaking glad you didn't.
    For $4700, that thing is a piece of crap. The GPU is literally 70% of the build value, and the total cost to build couldn't have been more than $2400. Such CRAP parts.

  • @عبدالرحمنالخليفة-ع4ه
    @عبدالرحمنالخليفة-ع4ه ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It seems like the motherboard VRMs really bad or the power is limited, the CPU only boost to 4GHz in gaming which should be more around 5.5GHz.

    • @steph_on_yt
      @steph_on_yt ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Afterburner was just reading the E-core frequency. They only go up to 4.3GHz stock.

  • @justsumguy2u
    @justsumguy2u ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a big fan of prebuilts in general---nowadays they can sometimes represent a real bargain. However, that is not the case here---you can build your own with the same GPU/CPU with much better quality at a much lower price. There's no value proposition to be found here.

  • @TheTekknician
    @TheTekknician ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I have to appreciate MSI being brave enough for sending a 5000-dollar costing machine to a brutally (and comically) honest reviewer that just does what's expected: unbiased opinions.
    The thing is, how could MSI really not know this would happen?

    • @ResidentWeevil2077
      @ResidentWeevil2077 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      After watching Gamers Nexus review one of MSI's pre-builts, I'm mildly amused they sent a similar quality pre-built to Dawid. They must have a humiliation kink 😂😂

    • @Macheako
      @Macheako ปีที่แล้ว +5

      take away the 4090......and that thing HONESTLY looks like it's worth.....maybe $700 - $900 bucks? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @sankaplays3098
      @sankaplays3098 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Macheako Hell no, I wouldnt even pay 500 for it. I would rather have a super basic case than this weird pretend modern looking thing with a touchscreen that has the functionality of screens Ive had for a pentium 4 that went in to the CD tray haha.

  • @scherge
    @scherge ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The last time I had to use a screwdriver to open one of my PCs was in 1998. What a neat feature on this 5000 $ PC from 2023. That's just adorable, MSI.

    • @db8989
      @db8989 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, very good point! At least use thumb screws, MSI. Come on, even low end cases have these nowadays.

  • @drizzle8309
    @drizzle8309 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    $5000 and it comes with a HDD?
    What... the actual... fuck...
    Can't wait to find out what else they messed up.
    edit: wow, they actually fucked up in their own BIOS? That's a new low...

    • @stephen1r2
      @stephen1r2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's fairly common for prebuilts to have a 500-ish ssd boot drive and a 4-ish (or more?) HDD for extra storage (If you target your DL, and Video folders manually to use it)
      The other issue stems from the CSM level board with no mosfet heatsinking

    • @drizzle8309
      @drizzle8309 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm aware it's probably booting off an m.2, since the board has 3 slots.
      Common or not, when we're talking $5000, I'd expect all SSDs. Especially if it's a gaming PC. Also, the listing he shows at 12:05 actually only has a 2TB ssd (which is consistent with MSI's website). Both 13700k versions of this pc come with both a 1TB m.2 and a 1TB HDD, though, so I'm really not sure what they did here. But it doesn't bode well for it being a 4TB drive...
      Speaking of, I haven't actually seen any prebuilts with 4TB drives. That's actually pretty cool if that's true.
      Not sure how the lack of a mosfet heatsink relates to ram speeds? Do they need extra cooling for higher speeds? Regardless, it's their board, so it's a fuck-up either way.
      edit: well... the site says the 13900kf one comes with a 750W PSU, while both 13700kf versions have an 850W PSU, sooo I'm not sure we can trust that information.
      Also says the 13900 has an extra usb port, the "Power Efficiency Rating" of both 13700s is "ATX", the motherboard is a Z790... not the chipset, the motherboard. Like... which one?! Y'all got like 5 of em. The AIO is described as "liquid cooling" and while all three come with Windows 11 Home, they recommend Windows 11 Pro for businesses... Who's buying a 13900k x 4090 Pc for their receptionist?! And then half the marked specs, which is supposed to indicate differences, are just exactly the same.
      Man, how hard is it to keep track of 3 PC configurations... Grab one off the assembly line and check. Takes like 10 mins.
      That spec-sheet is a clusterfuck.
      How are these multi million dollar companies so incompetent?!
      It's cause they don't care, I know...

  • @rickydeldo8596
    @rickydeldo8596 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How can you test 4K settings in a game with a monitor only supporting WQHD (2560*1440)?

    • @AdamMi1
      @AdamMi1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nvidia DSR

  • @malccy72
    @malccy72 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Another wonderfully enjoyable video; thanks Dawid. My only question really is why the cpu appeared locked at around 4ghz?

    • @carl4889
      @carl4889 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'd imagine they locked down the CPU hard so it didn't immediately melt its way down to the earth's core. Probably a good thing for games given the bottleneck would be elsewhere. You'd be miffed if you bought the system for productivity work, though.

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice pick up, I missed that & it would be interesting to understand why it is only Boosting around 4-4.2GHZ as the BIOS says CPU 5.5 GHz at 11.21

    • @steph_on_yt
      @steph_on_yt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm pretty sure that Afterburner is just reading the E-core frequencies. They never went above 4.3GHz, which lines up with stock E-core clocks. A 13900K wouldn't be pulling over 125W with such low frequencies on the P-cores.

  • @Sgt_SealCluber
    @Sgt_SealCluber 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    With the exception of RAM and HDD, MSI "makes" every component. So why does it look like a build from an SI that's trying to squeeze the most out of their razor thin margin?! And that pathetic BIOS that's half a step above an optiplex BIOS.

  • @HBerg-jy9ls
    @HBerg-jy9ls ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Just as an info, this MSI BIOS has two variants to config, a base and an expert view. You need the expert view to config XMP. Its hiding in the base view.

    • @SB-pf5rc
      @SB-pf5rc ปีที่แล้ว +21

      thanks for the info! ...'expert' to run the ram at its rated speed tho-- 🤣

    • @mithikx
      @mithikx ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Normally on MSI BIOS there's a thing on the top of the UI that tells you to press F7 to enter Advanced Mode or Expert Mode or whatever they call it, but it's not even there when Dawid enters the BIOS. I don't think that's a retail motherboard MSI slapped into that computer, probably some cut-down one they use just for prebuilds.

    • @stephen1r2
      @stephen1r2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@mithikx Yup; the board has no power heatsinks at all and looks like the CSM, or Corporate Stable--office PC stuff. Normally only allows base JEDEC ram speeds and locked multipliers so a K-sku runs like non-K

    • @guczy
      @guczy ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mithikx And even in EZ mode (thats how it's called in the BIOS) there is a yuge XMP button on top.

    • @bdub1682
      @bdub1682 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mithikx yeah, the board identifies as the z790 trident x2, which means its custom for that prebuilt... and also interesting that its a z790 with no xmp, lol

  • @owen755
    @owen755 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    maybe my tastes are weird, but I like how the system looks.

  • @fintrollpgr
    @fintrollpgr ปีที่แล้ว +59

    To be honest the springy plastic for the radiator mounting is a good thing. It soaks up vibration from the ventilators which is good for noise.

    • @jayb1rd
      @jayb1rd ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Rubber grommets at the mounting points would allow for a steal bracket and provide the same noise deadening.

    • @DawidDoesTechStuff
      @DawidDoesTechStuff  ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That’s an interesting point, but as Jason said, rubber grommets should do the same thing. To be fair, the plastic on the side panels would give in way before the radiator mount becomes a problem.

    • @Njazmo
      @Njazmo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DawidDoesTechStuff you can always print a new one if you're feeling nerdy, but on a 5000$ system, I prefer billet aluminum CNC-machined parts, not that plastic crap. But hey, quantity over quality. 😂

  • @dazeen9591
    @dazeen9591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know... if it was $4000 it would actually be pretty good... for a prebuiilt. But $5000? That's too overpriced especially with the dog💩RAM.

  • @krusty6381
    @krusty6381 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Thank you so much for your fair and honest reviews...MSI might not LOL. You and Gamers Nexus are the only channels that I believe the reviews any more.

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick ปีที่แล้ว +9

      HUB are Awesome too as they pull no punches either, Steve & Tim just lay it out straight as the results show

    • @db8989
      @db8989 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I agree, HW Unboxed is also very recommendable 👍
      LTT and Jay have become a bit hit and miss imho.

  • @jjsams4387
    @jjsams4387 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, the review was not really unfavorable to MSI from some perspectives. The system actually performed well, and MSI got very valuable feedback on where they need to put in more effort- case choice, build quality, mobo choice - in order to create a proper contender at this price level. Even if they gifted the system to you, rather than sending it on to the next reviewer, if I were an MSI exec, I would be pretty pleased at the info received for little cost / effort on the company's part. It is the reviewers who DON"T tell a company where their efforts are failing that waste a company's resources and time. Because they won't be getting the feedback they need to make their products sell to the (pretty) savvy gamer market. Honestly, I think they should be sending you samples of everything they make. They need HONEST feedback to make better, more saleable, products, not backside-kissing. But that's just me, I'm old fashioned and value helpful critique, not empty praise.

  • @iHaveTheDocuments
    @iHaveTheDocuments ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Imagine buying a 5,000 system without a glass side to you can see the 4090

    • @xmateinc
      @xmateinc ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I got my 4090 on full display in my corsair 680x

  • @AMDGBananaBen
    @AMDGBananaBen ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I figured it out.
    the build they were going for is a strange fusion of smart fridge/PS5 (at least in terms of aesthetics) =D

  • @anthony.esper21
    @anthony.esper21 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You'd expect a 5000$ PC, expecially from MSI to be build with reasonable materials. I wouldn't buy it for 2500$...

  • @sosa_Blexxed448
    @sosa_Blexxed448 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you play PC building sim 2? It's a lot better than pc building sim 1.
    Pro's for pcbs2: GPUs, 4090, 4080, and the new AMD GPUs. CPUs, new i9 13900K/KF ext and the Ryzen 9 7950x ext.
    Cons for pcbs2: only has 2 brands of 4090/4080 (PNY/NVIDIA) ext

  • @GroundGame.
    @GroundGame. ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Gotta give MSI where credit is due, their package and presentation standards are superb. 👌

  • @everythingtrendingworldwide
    @everythingtrendingworldwide ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Should have a rating system and a leaderboard ✌🏾

  • @pedro4205
    @pedro4205 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think MSI products usually feels cheap. It's just their trend. But i'm kinda disappointed that they didn't use the 4090 Suprim X for this one. Also, check the HP Envy Desktop series. It is a office computer with gamer internals and no plastic bullshit externally

    • @Zebra_Paw
      @Zebra_Paw ปีที่แล้ว

      HP motherboards are getting more and more terrible!

  • @michaelthompson9798
    @michaelthompson9798 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I first saw that MSI PC case …. I was immediately thinking of a PS4 Dev Kit 🤦‍♂🤦🤦‍♀🙈. God doesn’t even know what MSI we’re thinking when designing this case 😅😂🤣. Cudo’s thou for the excellent cooling on the cpu and GPU thou 😇👍💪

  • @Ranimetion
    @Ranimetion ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "MSI took some of the most powerful hardware in the world and stuffed it in to a case that looks like this.... And I can just not see a way in which that does not end terribly". You made me piss my pants in 41 seconds 🤣

  • @acole5975
    @acole5975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MSI hired darkness to run thier PR department. She chose Dawid knowing that he would not hold back. Now she is quirming uncomfortably at being so harshly criticised.

  • @hunt3009
    @hunt3009 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    It’s always a good day when Dawid uploads a video. This was also a system I’d wanted to see a review of, given MSI’s track record on this channel plus the design choices MSI made and it’s worse than I thought it would be, and I thought it was going to be pretty bad.

  • @NoName-bg2om
    @NoName-bg2om ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would take this PC over any 4090 powered laptop, for same price. But optimally I would build my own pc and use premium mobo/mem/coolers/case fans

  • @Beisepimp
    @Beisepimp ปีที่แล้ว +6

    $5000 and the case is almost all cheap plastic like some $40 cases is a shame :D
    At least the temperature was better than expected. 🙂

  • @devilmikey00
    @devilmikey00 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Always nice to see obvious cost cutting on a $5000 dollar system where there should be none.

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that case is insulting, as is the motherboard, ram, and probably most insulting is the fact that they're including a hard drive in a 5 thousand dollar computer. My current pc cost less to build and it has 9 tb of ssd storage, which is a big reason why it cost as much as it did. (if you're wondering why its because bad internet so i dont have the luxury of reinstalling games on a whim and hdd are too slow for games these days)

    • @herbertwalter8693
      @herbertwalter8693 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      if you wanna spend 5k you can get almost anything lol who (uneducated people aside) would buy this?

  • @I_am_ENSanity
    @I_am_ENSanity ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $5000?!?!?! I expect it to come with one of the ballerinas from Atomic Heart at that price.

  • @jomeyqmalone
    @jomeyqmalone ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The CPU was only showing 3.9 to 4.1ghz most of the time while gaming, which is a little strange, and might help explain how the CPU is staying relatively cool

    • @Ryan-re1rs
      @Ryan-re1rs ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The motherboard is power limiting the cpu because it's junk.

    • @Zebra_Paw
      @Zebra_Paw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also the GPU was a huge bottleneck so it was never fully utilized, not even close. I’d have tried 1080P Medium

    • @Zebra_Paw
      @Zebra_Paw ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ryan-re1rs yeah probably too!

    • @RoseFBN
      @RoseFBN ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Zebra_Paw theres no way a 4090 is bottlenecking that system, its definately the motherboard

    • @jaredchampagne2752
      @jaredchampagne2752 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Zebra_Paw did you just say that a 4090 was a “bottleneck”??? You can’t be serious...the most powerful GPU money can buy right now isnt bottlenecking anything broski.

  • @ronito4390
    @ronito4390 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see the VRM temps on that MoBo, really does not look like something that should be housing a CPU that powerful - even if it is running at stock speeds. Also gets me wondering why they paired a 13900kf with a MoBo without overclocking capabilities - seems like they were really trying to justify the entry fee with certain hardware choices while simultaneously cutting corners with others (MoBo / RAM) / Case .

  • @sudd3660
    @sudd3660 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the temps where impressive for a prebuild big brand. hopefully some fan rpm headroom left over, all stock fan profiles are twice what they should be.
    biggest let down is all that rgb and screen you pay for, and get annoyed with if it breaks or do not work right, especially after a few years. then there comes the maintenance, you will have a bad time dust cleaning this thing, radiators and no fan filter within this case odd airflow. its going to be really hot after a year and a hell to clean out.
    but if you notice these things like i do, you build pc's yourself and save some money and do it right.

    • @stephen1r2
      @stephen1r2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The CSM motherboard used here has no mosfet heatsinks so it will need a bit higher airflow

    • @sudd3660
      @sudd3660 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stephen1r2 you are right, i would recommend people doing under-volting on cpu and Graphics card, or some kind of power limits. 5% performance loss with 30% less power usage is a win in my book.

  • @frostedflakes3168
    @frostedflakes3168 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My cheapo Gigabyte H110M from the dinosaur era has XMP, I can't really accept the fact that this one doesn't. That's a hard no.

  • @electro4172
    @electro4172 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    New David Video YEEEESSS!

  • @drizzle8309
    @drizzle8309 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After reading the spec sheet for these things, it turns out Dawid went easy on them.

    • @db8989
      @db8989 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True!

  • @Sundayinthelife
    @Sundayinthelife ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wonder if putting two 120mm fans at the front will make much of a difference. Specifically, I guess, for the ram and vrm

  • @FRM_Yellow
    @FRM_Yellow ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your videos, but I think that you were shitting on the pc in the beging :( I have a i3 4th gen gtx 770 and 4gigs of ram and I still think that it is great.
    Love your vids

  • @jasonpage5282
    @jasonpage5282 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for your brutal honesty. Keeping it real. Respect.

  • @pointpop
    @pointpop ปีที่แล้ว +4

    'its put together like a tesla" LOL

  • @derbayer8710
    @derbayer8710 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thats why you should never send PC´s to Hillbillys which not even know where Europe is @MSI.

  • @bongerman42069
    @bongerman42069 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    $5000 for a pre built it better be insane

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 ปีที่แล้ว

      Insanely bad case, ram, psu, and motherboard! Oh, and a hard drive. If I spent 5g on a computer and it came with a hard drive it would get sent back.

  • @claucmgpcstuf5103
    @claucmgpcstuf5103 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so batelfild v i sopos it is tha fret up to hta taks of 4k gaming 200 fps sirioslay on ultre hemm got to tets theat ... but did you fix tha pro in tha acer bild ..cood be sam dast intha ram or cpu soket or sam ram porbelsm or sam ssd ro hss limitails or ive shurt !! . yeas Battlefield 5 4k ultra oo yea ko !

  • @itsdeonlol
    @itsdeonlol ปีที่แล้ว +3

    MSI is known for making weird, unique cases!

  • @yourfavoritelawnguy2722
    @yourfavoritelawnguy2722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13900k on a motherboard with zero cooling for its power delivery. I am sure that won't end poorly.
    Great work on the video!

  • @BHSilver
    @BHSilver ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was very surprised with the thermals you were at after playing your game for 45 mins. Would have loved to see more bios options for the memory and some more overclocking options. Maybe it could be added in a bios update in the future?

  • @Domstar97
    @Domstar97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harsh but well-deserved critisism! The ram looks like MSI found it in the bargain bin at Dollar Tree lmao

  • @captinsparklezremix
    @captinsparklezremix ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As much as I love Dawid, it's is insane that he still chooses to bench GTA V on a 13900KF and 4090 based system. GTA V is essentially a geriatric patient at this point.

    • @vipvip-tf9rw
      @vipvip-tf9rw ปีที่แล้ว

      gta is that old game where physics is bound to fps

    • @xmateinc
      @xmateinc ปีที่แล้ว

      And doesn’t like to run over 140 fps. GTA IV is even worse!

  • @freedom_fighta
    @freedom_fighta ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It should be WILD it costs $5000, that's damn expensive even for a top of the line PC.

  • @Chewbacca5682
    @Chewbacca5682 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What i love the most is that... this is the one they chose to send you. Like they had the opportunity to send you a perfect build but then this shows up.

    • @miaomiaochan
      @miaomiaochan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sad to say, they probably thought this was perfect...

  • @TrzanLifts
    @TrzanLifts ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5 million dollar gpu and cpu and then every other component from wish, sounds about right for a pre-built

  • @Belnick6666
    @Belnick6666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    a 1700 USD mobo and you cant change the ram speed?, I been able to do that on my every asus rampage extreme mobo I ever bought

  • @BitWalker
    @BitWalker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how unapolagetic Dawid is, gives zero shits as to wether MSI ever sends him another pc.

  • @darknessblades
    @darknessblades ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For a 5000$ PC I would at least have expected them to include some front panel fans, for which there seems to be more than enough room

  • @winchdara7303
    @winchdara7303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now that you're done with the video, I'll kindly take it off your hands for three fiddy.
    I know I know, no need to thank me.

  • @peterking3196
    @peterking3196 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dawid, your ambient room temperature is so low! Good job you had that behemoth of a system to bring it up a little

  • @exiledwolfch
    @exiledwolfch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone who works on computer retail , here is my tierlist of Brands that put the most bloatware on their PC/Laptop
    1.Acer - UserControlApp,Acer Jumpstart , so many Acer Apps that mines user data, McAfee , Firefox,Dropbox
    2. HP , Dell , Lenovo, Asus, MSI , Gigabyte (all they have in common is that they either have McAfee + Their User Control Center)

    • @franklidgad
      @franklidgad ปีที่แล้ว

      As someone who works in retail what is the best gaming desktop that you would recommend over this MSI POS?? (with the same specs)
      I'm not concerned about bloatware as one can easily (and should) reinstall the OS so you know what is being installed.

  • @jpht1964
    @jpht1964 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’ll never hear Linus burning down an endorsed product…😂

  • @AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup
    @AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every Ventus card I've ever had my hands on has sounded like a tornado, fighting a truckload of angry cats.

  • @Jaklas1979
    @Jaklas1979 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my god its 2013 and a ps4 and xbox one had a pc lovechild

  • @ej_tech
    @ej_tech ปีที่แล้ว

    I still don't understand why prebuilts from companies who makes motherboards for PC builders have their prebuilt's motherboard BIOS be stripped down, especially for something that cost 5k.
    I've seen sub $100 MSI boards still have the control for RAM XMP.

  • @FrankValchiria
    @FrankValchiria ปีที่แล้ว

    5000 US dollars?

  • @damolin77
    @damolin77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nothing likr throwing Msi Under the bus.

  • @bw4593
    @bw4593 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually some decent engineering here. Never get the slabs of plastic all these pre builds insist on slapping onto the outside, but I like some of the stuff they did inside…

    • @honeybadger6275
      @honeybadger6275 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a waste of engineering to try to keep using old tooling for the 90s era chassis. Especially insulting given msi makes standard atx cases that are actually of decent to good quality and given they are charging 5k for this abomination they really should have just used one of those cases.

  • @aphilipecrypto
    @aphilipecrypto ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like an HUGE PS4 FAT.

  • @Lolong01
    @Lolong01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    no will gonna buy this expensive shit 🤣

  • @TheFlagshipLab
    @TheFlagshipLab ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it me or is the ram in the slow slots?

  • @MaheshWalatara
    @MaheshWalatara ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally you hit the Big Time, Dawid.
    OMG- NORTON??!!!

  • @TheRedAnvil40
    @TheRedAnvil40 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could build this for like 3K...

  • @LabCat
    @LabCat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say "maybe you should update the BIOS, that might allow you to enable XMP"... but not only is that something a new PC owner shouldn't be obligated to search out, but MSI might have deliberately crippled that product because they figure no one will notice or care.
    Keep up the good work Dawid!

  • @soumyajitdeb3943
    @soumyajitdeb3943 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think any other techtuber has such a great sense of humor. I'm hooked to your videos as the content is good and the humor makes it awesome. Keep up the good work!

  • @ToyotaTrucks9
    @ToyotaTrucks9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The plastic fantastic 😂

  • @mikejones-nd6ni
    @mikejones-nd6ni ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yea, They Crazy for this one.

  • @spg3331
    @spg3331 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    no vrm heatsinks on a 5k pc?

  • @hovanthecool1995
    @hovanthecool1995 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are awesome.

  • @Zebra_Paw
    @Zebra_Paw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was the monitor good?

  • @Legiey
    @Legiey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love how they send a 1440p monitor for a 4090. What are they thinking 🤣