The GTX960 is an awesome old mid range card that aged well... Just dirty that the scammers now sell a real product pretending that it's the latest greatest mid range stuff... It's people taking advantage of unfortunate souls who don't know much.
My exgf is still rocking her 980ti and it games like a beast. The 900 series cards, while not as innovative as the 10 series, are still very usable today.
Totally! Using my 970 to play a lot of PS exclusives...God of War No Human.... ect worked great on my lill PC... 970 old i7 4 8 core... Sippin the PS "eclusives" love ya Dawid
i used pandemic money to buy the 970 a year ago for $220.... blug.. but my master race does what i expect and demand of it.... PS$ games and my main TV...
You got the 4GB version which is more rare to find in the wild than the common 2GB. That's the reason it was able to run most of these games. Notice GTAV using 3GB.
My old GTX 1060 6gb has a shroud that looks exactly, well actually almost the whole card looks like that, even the IO ( the dvi is digital only though ) , it doesnt have an sli bridge and the components under the cooler are different (of course). The temps are better than my 1060's and I was surprised by that . The model in question is a KFA2 GTX 1060 6GB OC. I did use it at 4k and it was playable in all games I played so when I saw it I was thinking it was a 1060 and that it will handle 4k , even if it's not that great. Awesome video! Edit : My card also came with a dvd with drivers looking exactly the same but different version and in a beautiful box.
The KFA2 1060 has the same shroud but it has actually a different underlying heatsink construction, it's enhanced with 2 heatpipes, which this one is missing. So they must have remanufactured the heatsink or maybe there was an odd version that skipped the heatpipes? The PCB is not familiar. It looks like a Palit group 1060 PCB except with stuff shifted around and molested just a tiny bit, like the 1060 should have one more phase, honestly the 960 should as well. Judging by markings it's newly manufactured from salvaged junk chips. It might be designed around the KFA2 1060 footprints though. All reference PCBs are shorter and they have the power delivery up near the rearIO rather than in the butt part of the card. Temperature difference... well who says that it isn't lying, or maybe it's running the fans really fast.
The 4GB memory makes a big difference. The 2GB version struggled with 1080p with high settings. You often choose between 70+fps and looking like a dog or a decent resolution and settings with frequent stutters
My GTX 970 is still a pretty solid card for 1080 med-high settings for the games I play. It is definetly the bottle neck against my Ryzen 5 1600 though.
I've built a few ryzen pcs and the 1600 is a decent chip. It runs most games at 60-140fps paired with a 1660. It shows that ryzen is really impressive.
@@scottyensen Stop cheaping out on old tech and convincing yourself it works, and just save a little longer and get a 3060ti or 6600XT for god's sake, lol. Current gen prices are going to be at their lowest yet soon, and the used market is full of decent deals.
2:41 There probably is a VGA port on the back, it's just part of the DVI port. The older version of DVI had 4 pins around the flat pin on the right indicating that it has VGA capabilities so that you can use a DVI to VGA adapter with it. Being that this is a "Shenzhen special" though, they might have just used the wrong connector.
Yes, that DVI port has VGA capability. It also has HDMI and DP capability. The 4 pins are just the analogue pins. You can get HDMI, DP and VGA adapters for the DVI port. Back when DVI was popular, depending upon the graphics card, if it came with DVI + VGA or DVI + HDMI, you either got a HDMI adapter or a VGA adapter. I have a couple HDMI adapters and a couple VGA adapters.
I came across a gaming PC just a couple of days ago advertised as 4K gaming PC. It had an i5 10400F, 16 gig of ram, 250 GB SSD and an RX 6600. I couldn't resist, I just had to comment on that rig and point out that the significantly more expensive and better RX 6700 XT was sold as a 1440p card, just as comparison. This rig was priced at around $1600.
A good hardware combination for an outrageous price. for that price I can build a rig with a 5800X, RTX 3070, 32 gigs of RAM, 1 TB SSD, aio watercooling and a windows license. If they shave of some of that money the 10400F/RX 6600 combination isn't bad.
i had a MSI gtx 960 4gb version, the gaming model (black and red), what a beautiful card, cold like a freezer, i overclocked the heck of it, +150 on the core and 500+ on the memory, and the highest temp i saw in that card was 51 c in summer with 32 degrees ambient, (all in celcius by the way), what an absolute monster i loved that card and was very silent because the fans will never spin past 41%, it will push every game from 2013 up to 2017 (that's when i traded it with a 1060 3gb, an asus phoenix), i regret not getting the rx 470 4gb, it was a shappire pulse model (this one was another option to trade). the only game i was able to run at 60 fps at 4k was the need for speed hot pursuit (the one from 2010) using DSR.
I picked a pretty bad time to get into PC gaming last year but even my old GTX 970 is running just about everything I want it to run pretty darn well at 1080p.
@@notisac3149 970 is still a pretty good card. I've got a 1070 and I have no desire to change it out for something newer tbh. Runs everything at 1080p and can even go up to 4k in games like doom eternal or gta 5.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe the 1070 is like 50% above the 970 though. the 1070 is super under rated, it almost has an excessive amount of vram unlike my 3080 that gets almost maxed out rather quickly
@@bradhaines3142 true for 1080p I've never been able to max out the vram. And at any higher resolutions and actually attempting to max out the vram I just run out of performance long before the 8gb is actually used up lol. Strange that 2 generations later they released a 4k very capable card the rtx 3070... With the same 8gb of vram. For the rtx 4000 I wanna see 10gb as the absolute MINIMUM and that's for the 1440p focused cards.
@@notisac3149 Hi5 GTX970 crew! Lots of people rocking them in the comments here. Not ideal but does what it needs to, and mind, i'm running mine into a nice 1440p HRR monitor, i feel that helps salvage it a lot especially HRR support so a missed frame isn't quite so stutter inducing as on 60Hz. I know, bit of an overkill on the monitor side, but odds are, i'm not keeping GTX970 for another 2+ years, but i'm keeping this monitor for 5+ years, expect to, and working with graphics and text is a dream, scrolling text with 120Hz is so smooth. Like it's pretty rare that i get to enjoy the full 1440p res or get anywhere near to 120-144fps in newest games, but i get to pick a situational compromise, not every game is super demanding in one regard or the other, and i'm really enjoying FSR2 upscale now that that's here, and high density LCD helps upscaling tech look good. As to what's not ideal. 4GB VRAM is a little limiting, 6GB is better. There is no HDR support but i mean the monitor only does HDR400 which is more of a hit or miss experience. There is no FreeSync VRR support over DP and having that would actually be nice. From the performance standpoint, if it was 20 to 50% faster, that'd be nice, but it's such a minor compromise really. What's absolutely not been a problem is the 3.5/.5GB memory split since the slow memory is absorbed by the desktop manager anyway, it's still less problematic than a 3GB 1060 which would have cost me about the same or a little more back in the day.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah it's always a good day when the gpu you thought was a scam gpu turns out to be the real deal and works then your like I'll be damned yay I didn't get scammed
The driver situation reminded me of a time when I bought Fable 3 for PC on Amazon. I was just blown away that whoever was selling it thought that they could get away with it. The box art was very obviously printed at home and cut to fit the case on regular paper. Poor colors and low DPI. Open the case and the label on the CD was the same situation, obviously printed out on a CD labeler in poor quality. And then the install guide was a printed page of text about how to go in and crack the install. I contacted Amazon and told them the situation and sent them a photo of the 'product' and they gave me a refund. Not sure if they ever went after the seller in any way for selling bootleg copies of the game. I'm no expert on the legality, but while I know it's illegal to distribute bootlegs I feel like it's a lot worse to try and make money off of them.
unbelievable support from youtube suggesting this video at least 5 times. the card looks like a galax 1060 of my sister that is now in my PC due to being unused. It is capable of HDR which I enabled just yesterday in Windows 11 which appears to be more mature/stable than in the past.
In the US, it is: PUSOKEI GTX960 4GB Game Graphics Card, DDR5 1152MHz Core Frequency + 7012MHz Video Memory Frequency, 4K HDR 128BIT Desktop Computer Graphics Card with Dual Cooling Fans, selling for $198.66. Still way overpriced...
@@SgtPrime999 Why did the sheet say not to use the official drivers then? maybe generic documentation? That cd didn't look too official btw, I could be wrong, looked ghetto.
@@StayMadNobodycares Of course, the CD is from some random manufacturer in China and in most scenarios it has the only drivers that work with their sketchy cards. In this case it appears that the card didn't have custom firmware to make it read as a different (better) card and so the correct nvidia drivers were installed and it runs just fine.
Yes...let's see some Dawidified installs of cheep aftermarket watercooling 'kits'! And how about some 'vertical' testing of game performance using MysteryBrand (tm) storage devices...slowest-rpm sata HDD vs. highest-rpm HDD vs. slowest SSD vs. "fastest" SSD, all sourced as obscurely as possible (from Wish, Alibaba, etc.)... Yet more fun: similar vertical comparo, this time using single vs. dual stick RAM, in slowest speed and in high(est) speed...as we all know Dawid's torrid passion for single channel RAM configs...
I had the 4GB version of the GTX 960, and it several games it did play in 4K low-medium, the ones i was really impressed with at the time were things like Fallout 4, despite being built on the engine of a game from 2009
Its imposible to run fallout 4 in 4k with hd textures even with rtx 3080 on max. Hell, not sure even rtx 3090 can run it smooth 60fps with everything on max in 4k. Thats one fucked up engine :)
been watching for a while now and love the videos Dawid, you're hilarious and the topics while seemingly ridiculous are made to be super interesting - kind of like a Kyle v2.0 before wifeysource stole his soul - old funny Kyle. anyway keep up the great work you're a legit standout tech creator
Exactly what my first thoughts were, right from the get go ... GTS 450 ! lmao ... Then i saw the GTX 960 4g sticker when you pulled it out and was Disappointed .
Speaking of large framebuffer versions of slow cards, you should take a look at the 8GB RX 6500XT, with 8GB of RAM it should no longer be bottlenecked by PCIE 4x slots. Only the price, as even the 8GB version shouldnt be over $150, but is currently selling for $210
Seems that the only problem with the card is the advertising of it being a 4k graphics card. I think the GTX 980 was capable of 4k, but don't think the GTX 970 or 960 were. As for the description "easy to carry") it could be that the specific store on Amazon perhaps sells a bunch of things but ueses a generic template for their listings and someone just forgot to remove that (maybe they sell laptops and tablets too or something that is actually meant to be "portable", although this is a bit funny to see in a description for an internal graphics card).
Hmm, HDMI, DP and DVI-I (which btw also carries analog signals) looks fine. Cooler also looks decent for a 960. Not the worst I've seen. Surely enough for a 120 W card. 72°C might not be premium, but acceptable. And I'm really impressed how flat the framegraphs GTA 5, BF5 and Cyberpunk are. I would say that is clearly playable. Even CP at 1080p30 Two things about fake, "renamed" graphics card: You can figure out which is really is with GPU-Z, and in some cases you can flash the correct BIOS on the card, making it work properly again.
@@darrenfalconer3267 One of the Maxwell video out endpoints has a built-in VGA DAC. They did use a DVI-I socket and it should by all reason be VGI-I, since it's implemented at no extra cost.
An idea for a future video, what if you compared different water coolers for a high end gpu? I think that would be cool to see! Love your videos, keep up the amazing content!
Yes, because Dawid is someone that should be trusted with that task :P Watching Dawid destroy a 3090ti trying to fit some water cooler to it would be amusing though.
4k gaming is nice, but most people I know still play in 1440p which also looks nice on under 30inch screens and gives much more FPS. But its always nice to how much you actually need for 4k/ 8k gaming...
Nice to see a 960 doing as well as it is in 2022 at 1080p, means my long since gone 970 would still be a great card if i was content at 1080p. Alas I went 970 to 1080 to 3080 at 4k 120hz now, eagerly waiting for 4k 240hz with DP 2.0
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe The 3080/90/Ti can all do it easily for more esporty titles but even other games can do it just really depends how many graphical settings you're willing to sacrifice. Next gen cards will make it even easier and should be shipping with DP 2.0 just need monitors to catch up now. I don't know what I'll do though I'm using a 42" C2 and giving up OLED to go back to an LCD just for 4k 240hz doesn't feel worth it.
Charming, entertaining, handsome, and the single biggest threat to scam GPU listings. They said a perfect man doesn't exist, but Dawid is an exception to that rule.
A VGA output is useful, allows you to connect any kind of monitor you may have, or work as an upgrade for an system. Better if it is attached to the board properly without a ribbon cable, which reduced the quality. If the card has 2 or 3 more digital ports, you lose nothing. You don't buy a Chinese product to brag about, and feel like the D-Sub is wart on your skin. Might be worth checking if the analogue out works on the DVI-I. The Chinese sell very affordable motherboards and refurbished Xeon CPUs. But the prices of graphics cards are not any lower.
The latest scam is, of course, selling used graphic cards that were modded for crypto mining use. The product description for this card makes me wonder: did they mean "pcb material" to mean printed circuit board or polychlorinated biphenyls? (Wouldn't want that knocking around in my cargo pockets...) This video caught my eye and is my first time visiting your channel. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Hey Man! This comment might get buried but It was super cool running into you last night! You are a super nice dude! I was fan Girling a bit so I couldn't get out what I wanted to say but thank you for your videos you genuinely make laugh out loud! Wishing you all the best!
That looks like a factory reject. The chokes on the power delivery are cockeyed, they are SMD package so they must have been placed on the board incorrectly before wave-flow soldering. A lot of tech products produced in China have a re-sale market for factory rejects where the items could be fully functional, but not meet QA standard for the brand they were producing it for. So they have to push it out onto the re-sales market, but it must be unbranded for it to be legally sold in China and internationally. There's a lot of cases where there were perfectly good components that didn't meet manufacturer requirements, because they were scratched, dinged, or otherwise mishandled during assembly that had to be sold off unbranded because they didn't meet the standards that the company wanted. So they aren't just creating e-waste in China when they make a mistake, they are actually repurposing hardware and recouping some of the money spent on manufacturing the reject. The problem is when you get these illegal groups in China who buy up these products and try to resell them as something they aren't internationally so they can scam people out of their money, which they can then use for other nefarious illegal enterprises.
I Just Casemodded an old PC-Tower with my Ryobi foxtail Saw. There was to less Space for an 1060 inside so i get rid of 2 intern Hardrive Spaces and 2 Slot for CD-ROM drives. It had 5 for each now 3 fixed with cablebinders. It runs fine with the 3570k z77 Board rams and 1060 GTX. But i cutted my Fingers 3 times on the edges the Saw left inside, while building it back in, but still good for gaming in full HD.
Well, I don't use 4K, on the one hand, no monitor, and on the other hand, I don't see any difference. I stick with 1080P 60 FPS log because smaller icons on Windows or smaller HUDs don't do me any good, often just because I can't recognize the writing or symbols anymore, and it's only important to me that I can recognize something. I don't want or need ultra realistic games (ray tracing is always off for me) or other types of realism in games. As mentioned, it's important to me that I can recognize things in the game and I have 30 or 60 FPS max, nothing else, without some kind of reflection that isn't interesting to me, e.g. like ray tracing does or realistic shadows. The old method with shadows is enough for me.
I am super curious as to how their magical drivers that came on the disk would perform compared to the official drivers. Maybe those are some $200+ super duper drivers! Well, one can dream at least. :)
I actually built a system with a 4GB GTX 960 specifically for GTA V when the PC version released, so it's nice to see some retroactive confirmation that this was a good choice on my part back then.
I can see the 1660 do quite well. It might not have the raytracing hardware, but has a fine mix of GPU performance and VRAM size. The fact that Im still running a 1060 and am more concerned with upgrading my CPU than my graphics card says a lot.
@@HappyBeezerStudios the 1660 super is dope. I recently upgraded to a 3060 but didn't really need to. They were available at best buy for 389.99 and so the 1660 super went in the secondary. Just out of curiosity what CPU are you currently running?
Hmmm, considering the 1600 series match spec for spec with the 1000 series, sans ray tracing hardware support (1000 series DO have RT hardware support, albeit at a severe FPS hit whereas the 1600's don't have it and can't enable it), and range from 80% (mostly)-103% (a few rare cases with high end 6+ core CPUs) of the 1000 series FPS at 120% of the price and power consumption, it probably won't. That said, the 1650 and 1660's seem to just be a front end attempt at rebranding the 1050 and 1060's from all aspects, down to removing support for the RT tech that those particular two models (1050/1060) could run but weren't well suited to (20ish FPS at 1080p (~15 on a 1050) with RT enabled at minimum settings otherwise isn't really that desirable of performance, and at 720P it goes up to a whopping 30ish (~23 for the 1050), again at all minimum settings otherwise).
I think what they meant to say was "4K, HDR, PC Gaming Video Card", not... "4K HDR PC Gaming Video Card" Like, it can do 4K, it can do HDR, and it can game on PC, just not necessarily at the same time
so, if I had to guess, this is a "rehomed" GPU die. the board screams generic board set up for these. these are making their way to the US market as OEMs have figured out that they can sell these old GPUs, but they cannot sell them in their original form, so they have a cheap generic PCB made that supports many different BGA chips, and they program it to each one as needed.
sourcing supplies is still pita through various places - hope you can build some refurb server action before new parts - try cores/ram/faster network/nvme/cuda cores from an old mining card
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I wouldn't feel safe with a 90% warranty. Thank god they provide us with the full 100%.
that extra 10% really eases the worry :D
you never know what could happen as you take advantage of it's ultra portability...
a better warranty than LTT's backpack
@@marcogenovesi8570 :)
You know legitimacy of getting 100% warranty for a graphics card 🤣
I love the “plz don’t download the real drivers plz it’s totally real”
but what happens if Dawid did download the "totally real" drivers..?
@@deathdrop Malwarebytes sounds the alarm!
@@drake6188 ah yes
@@deathdrop Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
This card would have been an excellent pairing for the 8k gaming pc, as both are beastly in power and ready to dominate the world of 4/8k
Finally a portable and easy to carry 8k beast.
If I pair then can I play in 16k
@@oiltycoonbillionaire nah, 4k + 8k = 12k
4/8K aka 1/2K
48k? i had a 48k computer in the 80's!
"Not meaning to brag, but I've been scammed A LOT..."
What a priceless gem this is.
The GTX960 is an awesome old mid range card that aged well...
Just dirty that the scammers now sell a real product pretending that it's the latest greatest mid range stuff...
It's people taking advantage of unfortunate souls who don't know much.
My exgf is still rocking her 980ti and it games like a beast. The 900 series cards, while not as innovative as the 10 series, are still very usable today.
Totally! Using my 970 to play a lot of PS exclusives...God of War No Human.... ect worked great on my lill PC... 970 old i7 4 8 core... Sippin the PS "eclusives" love ya Dawid
i used pandemic money to buy the 970 a year ago for $220.... blug.. but my master race does what i expect and demand of it.... PS$ games and my main TV...
@@abombfletcher 220 for 970, maybe 1070 ?Thats way to much.
@@abombfletcher waaayyyy too much much
You got the 4GB version which is more rare to find in the wild than the common 2GB.
That's the reason it was able to run most of these games. Notice GTAV using 3GB.
I humbly acknowledge my inadequacy relative to being scammed by graphics cards. Dawid is surely the master here.
I am an expert scam victim. 😂
7:48 I am EXTREMELY offended. The PS2 pumped out a buttery smooth 50 OR 60 FPS depending on the game
"Not meaning to brag but I have been scammed a lot by graphics cards."
I felt that.
All for your entertainment though!
@@ShinyHelmet yes
"Buying"
Man, I wish I could afford even the scam prices.
I once bought a single slot low profile GTX 650 and when I received it, it was a OEM HP GT 610...
I remember the gtx 970 (ti I think) was advertised as a 4k gaming card at launch.
"What would anyone need all this gpu for?"
"4k"
No it wasn't 4k didin't exist that time when gtx 970 was around, we talking 2015 launch.
It was a ridiculous claim. From computer power user magazine based on an interview they did at some trade show.
@@kigasdj2 huh??!?
@@Louganda what huh???
@@kigasdj2 aggiuuhhh????!!!
My old GTX 1060 6gb has a shroud that looks exactly, well actually almost the whole card looks like that, even the IO ( the dvi is digital only though ) , it doesnt have an sli bridge and the components under the cooler are different (of course). The temps are better than my 1060's and I was surprised by that . The model in question is a KFA2 GTX 1060 6GB OC. I did use it at 4k and it was playable in all games I played so when I saw it I was thinking it was a 1060 and that it will handle 4k , even if it's not that great. Awesome video!
Edit : My card also came with a dvd with drivers looking exactly the same but different version and in a beautiful box.
The KFA2 1060 has the same shroud but it has actually a different underlying heatsink construction, it's enhanced with 2 heatpipes, which this one is missing. So they must have remanufactured the heatsink or maybe there was an odd version that skipped the heatpipes?
The PCB is not familiar. It looks like a Palit group 1060 PCB except with stuff shifted around and molested just a tiny bit, like the 1060 should have one more phase, honestly the 960 should as well. Judging by markings it's newly manufactured from salvaged junk chips. It might be designed around the KFA2 1060 footprints though. All reference PCBs are shorter and they have the power delivery up near the rearIO rather than in the butt part of the card.
Temperature difference... well who says that it isn't lying, or maybe it's running the fans really fast.
The 4GB memory makes a big difference. The 2GB version struggled with 1080p with high settings. You often choose between 70+fps and looking like a dog or a decent resolution and settings with frequent stutters
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My GTX 970 is still a pretty solid card for 1080 med-high settings for the games I play. It is definetly the bottle neck against my Ryzen 5 1600 though.
I've built a few ryzen pcs and the 1600 is a decent chip. It runs most games at 60-140fps paired with a 1660. It shows that ryzen is really impressive.
@@RealRed01 When my 970 goes out I think im going to get a 5600 or 5700... a 1660 at the right price wouldnt be a bad bet either though
970 is severely outclassed by today. it cannot even compare to a 570 or a 1660.
@@scottyensen Stop cheaping out on old tech and convincing yourself it works, and just save a little longer and get a 3060ti or 6600XT for god's sake, lol. Current gen prices are going to be at their lowest yet soon, and the used market is full of decent deals.
@@MadClowdz its not really cheaping out, I bought them brand new 5+ years ago at full price ....
2:41 There probably is a VGA port on the back, it's just part of the DVI port. The older version of DVI had 4 pins around the flat pin on the right indicating that it has VGA capabilities so that you can use a DVI to VGA adapter with it. Being that this is a "Shenzhen special" though, they might have just used the wrong connector.
Yes you can see the 4 VGA pins.
Yes, that DVI port has VGA capability. It also has HDMI and DP capability. The 4 pins are just the analogue pins. You can get HDMI, DP and VGA adapters for the DVI port. Back when DVI was popular, depending upon the graphics card, if it came with DVI + VGA or DVI + HDMI, you either got a HDMI adapter or a VGA adapter. I have a couple HDMI adapters and a couple VGA adapters.
During GPU Price skyrocketing in late 2020 - mid to late 2021, even GT 710 and GT 1030 are labelled as " *4K HDR GAMING VIDEO CARD* "
...and people were getting $325 for GTX-960's haha.
Was only expecting it, to push a 4K display, on the OS interface
... But by golly that price tag, really had my heart in vice there- *OooffFFF*
To be fair it ran Cyberpunk without any stuttering issues very smoothly, granted at 9 frames per second :)
And you can take it outside to touch grass with your portable gpu
That's stuttering
@@everythingponystuttering typically is dipping frame rate
I came across a gaming PC just a couple of days ago advertised as 4K gaming PC. It had an i5 10400F, 16 gig of ram, 250 GB SSD and an RX 6600. I couldn't resist, I just had to comment on that rig and point out that the significantly more expensive and better RX 6700 XT was sold as a 1440p card, just as comparison.
This rig was priced at around $1600.
A good hardware combination for an outrageous price. for that price I can build a rig with a 5800X, RTX 3070, 32 gigs of RAM, 1 TB SSD, aio watercooling and a windows license.
If they shave of some of that money the 10400F/RX 6600 combination isn't bad.
The RX 6600 is a great card ... at 1080p. I don't expect it to do well at 4K, and I do not own a 4K monitor
Thanks for taking one for the team. I was always curious to see how these sketchy cards would perform.
My favorite thing about this channel is that he just plays his obvious favorite game to test everything lol. I love it.
Amazon is a mess. During the draught I searched for any 30 series card. And what I got was a picture of a shoe....a single brown shoe
Did you buy it?
@@williamcricket7931 +1 , yeah we need to know. Those were troubling times.
I mean it would be power efficient than 30 series cards tho
@@williamcricket7931 It whent out of stock :(
@@Pholiage .... wow, son-of- a-bitch... lol... People walking around with integrated graphics and one shoe these days. Go figure.
i had a MSI gtx 960 4gb version, the gaming model (black and red), what a beautiful card, cold like a freezer, i overclocked the heck of it, +150 on the core and 500+ on the memory, and the highest temp i saw in that card was 51 c in summer with 32 degrees ambient, (all in celcius by the way), what an absolute monster i loved that card and was very silent because the fans will never spin past 41%, it will push every game from 2013 up to 2017 (that's when i traded it with a 1060 3gb, an asus phoenix), i regret not getting the rx 470 4gb, it was a shappire pulse model (this one was another option to trade). the only game i was able to run at 60 fps at 4k was the need for speed hot pursuit (the one from 2010) using DSR.
I picked a pretty bad time to get into PC gaming last year but even my old GTX 970 is running just about everything I want it to run pretty darn well at 1080p.
@@notisac3149 970 is still a pretty good card. I've got a 1070 and I have no desire to change it out for something newer tbh. Runs everything at 1080p and can even go up to 4k in games like doom eternal or gta 5.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe the 1070 is like 50% above the 970 though. the 1070 is super under rated, it almost has an excessive amount of vram unlike my 3080 that gets almost maxed out rather quickly
@@bradhaines3142 true for 1080p I've never been able to max out the vram. And at any higher resolutions and actually attempting to max out the vram I just run out of performance long before the 8gb is actually used up lol. Strange that 2 generations later they released a 4k very capable card the rtx 3070... With the same 8gb of vram. For the rtx 4000 I wanna see 10gb as the absolute MINIMUM and that's for the 1440p focused cards.
@@notisac3149 Hi5 GTX970 crew! Lots of people rocking them in the comments here. Not ideal but does what it needs to, and mind, i'm running mine into a nice 1440p HRR monitor, i feel that helps salvage it a lot especially HRR support so a missed frame isn't quite so stutter inducing as on 60Hz. I know, bit of an overkill on the monitor side, but odds are, i'm not keeping GTX970 for another 2+ years, but i'm keeping this monitor for 5+ years, expect to, and working with graphics and text is a dream, scrolling text with 120Hz is so smooth. Like it's pretty rare that i get to enjoy the full 1440p res or get anywhere near to 120-144fps in newest games, but i get to pick a situational compromise, not every game is super demanding in one regard or the other, and i'm really enjoying FSR2 upscale now that that's here, and high density LCD helps upscaling tech look good.
As to what's not ideal. 4GB VRAM is a little limiting, 6GB is better. There is no HDR support but i mean the monitor only does HDR400 which is more of a hit or miss experience. There is no FreeSync VRR support over DP and having that would actually be nice. From the performance standpoint, if it was 20 to 50% faster, that'd be nice, but it's such a minor compromise really. What's absolutely not been a problem is the 3.5/.5GB memory split since the slow memory is absorbed by the desktop manager anyway, it's still less problematic than a 3GB 1060 which would have cost me about the same or a little more back in the day.
Never trust anything on amazon that has the word '4K' in it 🤣🤣🤣 Only trust Dawid
Never trust anything on amazon period. :)
@@whitekong316 never trust big companies. Period.
@@nikoraasu6929 Never trust anyone not even yourself
How about 8k?
not even dawid trust this comment :P
I love these Videos! The cards that aren't the typical wish version are very interesting!
it's a gtx 960 that's portable I love it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree! I’m always so excited when it isn’t just a GTS 450.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff yeah it's always a good day when the gpu you thought was a scam gpu turns out to be the real deal and works then your like I'll be damned yay I didn't get scammed
That was my first graphics card, brings back memories
if the game loads in 4k "its 4k capable" doesn't mean it will actually have decent fps lol
Great video and really helpful! I couldn't get a grasp on how the setuper works but it's all clear now.
"Not meaning to brag out but.. I've been scammed A LOT buying graphics card" literally killed me hahaha!!!
The driver situation reminded me of a time when I bought Fable 3 for PC on Amazon. I was just blown away that whoever was selling it thought that they could get away with it. The box art was very obviously printed at home and cut to fit the case on regular paper. Poor colors and low DPI. Open the case and the label on the CD was the same situation, obviously printed out on a CD labeler in poor quality. And then the install guide was a printed page of text about how to go in and crack the install. I contacted Amazon and told them the situation and sent them a photo of the 'product' and they gave me a refund. Not sure if they ever went after the seller in any way for selling bootleg copies of the game. I'm no expert on the legality, but while I know it's illegal to distribute bootlegs I feel like it's a lot worse to try and make money off of them.
unbelievable support from youtube suggesting this video at least 5 times. the card looks like a galax 1060 of my sister that is now in my PC due to being unused. It is capable of HDR which I enabled just yesterday in Windows 11 which appears to be more mature/stable than in the past.
Personally I'd prefer my graphics card to be massively obese and inconvenient to carry around with when going out on a date.
Yeah man those portable ones suck
Dawid for the win as always
It was all going so well before the price reveal 🤣🤣
2:45
That DVI port has VGA built into it, so yeah, it technically does lol
Lighweight and Portable. Now that we have seen what the 4000 cards are, I feel it really is a selling point :D
In the US, it is: PUSOKEI GTX960 4GB Game Graphics Card, DDR5 1152MHz Core Frequency + 7012MHz Video Memory Frequency, 4K HDR 128BIT Desktop Computer Graphics Card with Dual Cooling Fans, selling for $198.66. Still way overpriced...
I wanted to see what would happen when you tried official Nvidia drivers with the sketchy card.
at 3:34... they installed and confirmed that it is a real GTX 960
He used the official Drivers (CD had 382.33) and (the official was 512.15)
@@SgtPrime999 Why did the sheet say not to use the official drivers then? maybe generic documentation? That cd didn't look too official btw, I could be wrong, looked ghetto.
@@StayMadNobodycares Of course, the CD is from some random manufacturer in China and in most scenarios it has the only drivers that work with their sketchy cards. In this case it appears that the card didn't have custom firmware to make it read as a different (better) card and so the correct nvidia drivers were installed and it runs just fine.
@@RealCytho So generic documentation that they include with all their cards including the fraudulent ones. Gotchya.
Yes...let's see some Dawidified installs of cheep aftermarket watercooling 'kits'!
And how about some 'vertical' testing of game performance using MysteryBrand (tm) storage devices...slowest-rpm sata HDD vs. highest-rpm HDD vs. slowest SSD vs. "fastest" SSD, all sourced as obscurely as possible (from Wish, Alibaba, etc.)...
Yet more fun: similar vertical comparo, this time using single vs. dual stick RAM, in slowest speed and in high(est) speed...as we all know Dawid's torrid passion for single channel RAM configs...
To be fair, my 3090 cant do 60 fps cyberpunk with any raytracing.
I had the 4GB version of the GTX 960, and it several games it did play in 4K low-medium, the ones i was really impressed with at the time were things like Fallout 4, despite being built on the engine of a game from 2009
Its imposible to run fallout 4 in 4k with hd textures even with rtx 3080 on max. Hell, not sure even rtx 3090 can run it smooth 60fps with everything on max in 4k. Thats one fucked up engine :)
been watching for a while now and love the videos Dawid, you're hilarious and the topics while seemingly ridiculous are made to be super interesting - kind of like a Kyle v2.0 before wifeysource stole his soul - old funny Kyle.
anyway keep up the great work you're a legit standout tech creator
GPU-Z can help you identify future mystery GPUs.
dawid always makes me happy after a long day of procrastinating
I'm curious do the drivers on that driver disc work?
@@raven4k998 probably not since they look like a generic fake driver disc from the middle of 2014
@@fv101 you think it has a virus that kills your computer so you never find out the gpu's a fake?
@@raven4k998 no, it's probably a modded package meant for those other brainwashed gts 450s
@@fv101 so it makes the computer baby the card so it runs like shit cause it's a gts 450 not a gtx 1080 gotcha👍
Exactly what my first thoughts were, right from the get go ... GTS 450 ! lmao ... Then i saw the GTX 960 4g sticker when you pulled it out and was Disappointed .
Speaking of large framebuffer versions of slow cards, you should take a look at the 8GB RX 6500XT, with 8GB of RAM it should no longer be bottlenecked by PCIE 4x slots. Only the price, as even the 8GB version shouldnt be over $150, but is currently selling for $210
10 seconds and I've already legitimately laughed. you have earned your like sir
Comedy value is strong on this one. 'HOUSE MATERIAL!'.. BRILLIANT.
They often put 4k in the marketing for these cards because they support 4k not because they can run 4k so technically its not a lie buuuuuuut yea.
Seems that the only problem with the card is the advertising of it being a 4k graphics card. I think the GTX 980 was capable of 4k, but don't think the GTX 970 or 960 were. As for the description "easy to carry") it could be that the specific store on Amazon perhaps sells a bunch of things but ueses a generic template for their listings and someone just forgot to remove that (maybe they sell laptops and tablets too or something that is actually meant to be "portable", although this is a bit funny to see in a description for an internal graphics card).
Hmm, HDMI, DP and DVI-I (which btw also carries analog signals) looks fine. Cooler also looks decent for a 960. Not the worst I've seen. Surely enough for a 120 W card. 72°C might not be premium, but acceptable.
And I'm really impressed how flat the framegraphs GTA 5, BF5 and Cyberpunk are. I would say that is clearly playable. Even CP at 1080p30
Two things about fake, "renamed" graphics card: You can figure out which is really is with GPU-Z, and in some cases you can flash the correct BIOS on the card, making it work properly again.
DVI -d is digital and DVI -i is digital and analogue
And dvi-a is analogue. So it depends which one it has
@@darrenfalconer3267 One of the Maxwell video out endpoints has a built-in VGA DAC. They did use a DVI-I socket and it should by all reason be VGI-I, since it's implemented at no extra cost.
Kryzzp would love this "convenient to carry" graphic card
Dawid gets scammed once more, so you don't have to.
An idea for a future video, what if you compared different water coolers for a high end gpu? I think that would be cool to see! Love your videos, keep up the amazing content!
Yes, because Dawid is someone that should be trusted with that task :P
Watching Dawid destroy a 3090ti trying to fit some water cooler to it would be amusing though.
@@Those_Weirdos that's what I'm saying 🤣
@@spikedragon214 hahagahaha
Had to search amazon using your term and there is someone selling RX550s for $420! What a deal!
4k gaming is nice, but most people I know still play in 1440p which also looks nice on under 30inch screens and gives much more FPS. But its always nice to how much you actually need for 4k/ 8k gaming...
What they mean is: 4K ... Gaming ... --- The card can output 4K and it can game. It just can't do both at the same time.
It can play Minesweeper at 4k 💁🏻♀
Pretty sure it can also do Skyrim (old release) Unreal, maybe even Crysis.
Nice to see a 960 doing as well as it is in 2022 at 1080p, means my long since gone 970 would still be a great card if i was content at 1080p. Alas I went 970 to 1080 to 3080 at 4k 120hz now, eagerly waiting for 4k 240hz with DP 2.0
Wonder what card could possibly drive 4k at 240fps lol. I suppose in esports games you can do that now actually.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe The 3080/90/Ti can all do it easily for more esporty titles but even other games can do it just really depends how many graphical settings you're willing to sacrifice. Next gen cards will make it even easier and should be shipping with DP 2.0 just need monitors to catch up now.
I don't know what I'll do though I'm using a 42" C2 and giving up OLED to go back to an LCD just for 4k 240hz doesn't feel worth it.
@@Malinkadink yeah I wouldnt downgrade from an oled. Gonna have to wait a couple years for 4k 240hz + oled to come out and actually be affordable ish.
Charming, entertaining, handsome, and the single biggest threat to scam GPU listings.
They said a perfect man doesn't exist, but Dawid is an exception to that rule.
This guy is my fav. youtuber…legendary!!!!!
A VGA output is useful, allows you to connect any kind of monitor you may have, or work as an upgrade for an system. Better if it is attached to the board properly without a ribbon cable, which reduced the quality. If the card has 2 or 3 more digital ports, you lose nothing. You don't buy a Chinese product to brag about, and feel like the D-Sub is wart on your skin. Might be worth checking if the analogue out works on the DVI-I.
The Chinese sell very affordable motherboards and refurbished Xeon CPUs. But the prices of graphics cards are not any lower.
love the content , also your intro sounds like the better call saul intro so thats sick
It can output 4k resolution.
It can game.
So what seems to be the problem 😁😁😁?
no one specified WHAT game... 4k card games, oh yeah!
The latest scam is, of course, selling used graphic cards that were modded for crypto mining use. The product description for this card makes me wonder: did they mean "pcb material" to mean printed circuit board or polychlorinated biphenyls? (Wouldn't want that knocking around in my cargo pockets...)
This video caught my eye and is my first time visiting your channel. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Something interesting, i use my 1060 for 1440p medium to in some games almost max graphics settings and it's surprisingly decent
2:57
Hold on now, Dawid.
I can play Tetris in 4K on my good 'ole GTX960 4GB without any problems at all.
Man, you made me laugh so hard at the whole "house material" thing :D
Make sure to return it. Dont let those shitbirds get away with scamming people.
5 seconds in and already a very spot on, intelligent joke. What a quality channel.
@Dawid Does Tech Stuff
The DVI-I port is still analogue. ;-)
Hey Man! This comment might get buried but It was super cool running into you last night! You are a super nice dude! I was fan Girling a bit so I couldn't get out what I wanted to say but thank you for your videos you genuinely make laugh out loud! Wishing you all the best!
That looks like a factory reject. The chokes on the power delivery are cockeyed, they are SMD package so they must have been placed on the board incorrectly before wave-flow soldering. A lot of tech products produced in China have a re-sale market for factory rejects where the items could be fully functional, but not meet QA standard for the brand they were producing it for. So they have to push it out onto the re-sales market, but it must be unbranded for it to be legally sold in China and internationally. There's a lot of cases where there were perfectly good components that didn't meet manufacturer requirements, because they were scratched, dinged, or otherwise mishandled during assembly that had to be sold off unbranded because they didn't meet the standards that the company wanted. So they aren't just creating e-waste in China when they make a mistake, they are actually repurposing hardware and recouping some of the money spent on manufacturing the reject. The problem is when you get these illegal groups in China who buy up these products and try to resell them as something they aren't internationally so they can scam people out of their money, which they can then use for other nefarious illegal enterprises.
The person buying that gpu will probably do 4k videos. I do 4k gaming on a 980 classified and I've done it on a gtx 660 and Indiantown have issues
Hey, my 1060 is a perfectly fine 4K card.
And in planetside 2 that is even the only resolution where I'm not CPU limited.
I Just Casemodded an old PC-Tower with my Ryobi foxtail Saw. There was to less Space for an 1060 inside so i get rid of 2 intern Hardrive Spaces and 2 Slot for CD-ROM drives. It had 5 for each now 3 fixed with cablebinders. It runs fine with the 3570k z77 Board rams and 1060 GTX. But i cutted my Fingers 3 times on the edges the Saw left inside, while building it back in, but still good for gaming in full HD.
Well, I don't use 4K, on the one hand, no monitor, and on the other hand, I don't see any difference. I stick with 1080P 60 FPS log because smaller icons on Windows or smaller HUDs don't do me any good, often just because I can't recognize the writing or symbols anymore, and it's only important to me that I can recognize something. I don't want or need ultra realistic games (ray tracing is always off for me) or other types of realism in games. As mentioned, it's important to me that I can recognize things in the game and I have 30 or 60 FPS max, nothing else, without some kind of reflection that isn't interesting to me, e.g. like ray tracing does or realistic shadows. The old method with shadows is enough for me.
5:22 The metaphor is more like 'this house is so well built out of wall material'🤣
Man i hate it when your videos aren’t sponsored by liiiinodee, but I’m happy you have many sponsors.
What are the vertical lines on the screen? Is it artifacting?
I am super curious as to how their magical drivers that came on the disk would perform compared to the official drivers. Maybe those are some $200+ super duper drivers! Well, one can dream at least. :)
How have you not hit a million subs yet? Crazy good content as always!
The marketing worked lol, love your videos!
I just upgraded from a MSI STRIX 960 to a MSI Armor 1070 OC Edition. The 960 is a solid card for 4k low setting gaming.
The weakest 4K GPU is the GTX 1070.
The middle ground 2070S
The High Ground 3090 series
I was thinking a 1070 must be the lowest tier for it actually being playable, seeing how "well" the old 960 did.
This brought up a question I honestly had....1080 high vs 1440p low. Which is better and what do you all prefer?
I actually built a system with a 4GB GTX 960 specifically for GTA V when the PC version released, so it's nice to see some retroactive confirmation that this was a good choice on my part back then.
I mean the 960 was pretty common
Nice video Dawid, I enjoyed It your energy is infectious 🙂
I come for the tech, but your jokes and adjectives got me 💀💀🤣
When you played GTA, you drove that car like a boss. Thanks for sharing
Love the freshly unpacked shirt!
I would be very surprised to see the 1600 series hold up as well as the 900 series has in a couple of years
I can see the 1660 do quite well. It might not have the raytracing hardware, but has a fine mix of GPU performance and VRAM size. The fact that Im still running a 1060 and am more concerned with upgrading my CPU than my graphics card says a lot.
@@HappyBeezerStudios the 1660 super is dope. I recently upgraded to a 3060 but didn't really need to. They were available at best buy for 389.99 and so the 1660 super went in the secondary. Just out of curiosity what CPU are you currently running?
Hmmm, considering the 1600 series match spec for spec with the 1000 series, sans ray tracing hardware support (1000 series DO have RT hardware support, albeit at a severe FPS hit whereas the 1600's don't have it and can't enable it), and range from 80% (mostly)-103% (a few rare cases with high end 6+ core CPUs) of the 1000 series FPS at 120% of the price and power consumption, it probably won't. That said, the 1650 and 1660's seem to just be a front end attempt at rebranding the 1050 and 1060's from all aspects, down to removing support for the RT tech that those particular two models (1050/1060) could run but weren't well suited to (20ish FPS at 1080p (~15 on a 1050) with RT enabled at minimum settings otherwise isn't really that desirable of performance, and at 720P it goes up to a whopping 30ish (~23 for the 1050), again at all minimum settings otherwise).
I think what they meant to say was "4K, HDR, PC Gaming Video Card", not... "4K HDR PC Gaming Video Card"
Like, it can do 4K, it can do HDR, and it can game on PC, just not necessarily at the same time
Yes the unlabelled fan enclosure , and the driver disk, mean its the same old scam, change the bios so that it "works" with that driver.
The "ultimate 4k gaming graphics card"
so, if I had to guess, this is a "rehomed" GPU die. the board screams generic board set up for these. these are making their way to the US market as OEMs have figured out that they can sell these old GPUs, but they cannot sell them in their original form, so they have a cheap generic PCB made that supports many different BGA chips, and they program it to each one as needed.
"wraith of the circuits" we definitely need more gothic, Latin chanting on this channel!
sourcing supplies is still pita through various places - hope you can build some refurb server action before new parts - try cores/ram/faster network/nvme/cuda cores from an old mining card
The sellers of this GPU were the marketers behind the 8k high quality gaming advertising of the RTX3000 series at launch hahaha 😅🤣😂🤭
Maybe they put malware on the disk, could you post an iso so that I/others to look at it?
3:00 I actually own a MSI Gaming GTX 960 and it has 3 DP's with 1 HDMI and 1 DVI.
Just yesterday some guy on reddit was complaining about his 4k gaming laptop with a 960M being super slow playing games.